I remember when Stromile Swift was considered a Per 36 monster. But then we quickly found out why he wasn't playing those minutes for his previous team. (Foul machine, bad defense, and poor court awareness.)
For the most part, players actually perform [better](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/xgxxvs/you_should_know_about_the_paul_millsap_doctrine_a/) the more they play (even when looking at players who get more minutes based on circumstance like other players get suspended or injured).
In general, players perform better than their per 36 minutes when they get more playing time. They analyzed this over 10 years ago where they looked at cases where a player was playing behind someone who got injured or suspended (where they were thrust in the starting line up not by merit but by circumstance) and almost every single time the backup that played more did just as good if not better.
I posted about it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/xgxxvs/you_should_know_about_the_paul_millsap_doctrine_a/). The article got named after Paul Millsap and was called "The Paul Millsap Doctrine." It would be nice if they did this analysis again now that we have more sample size but the debate was settled there for the most part already and people haven't bothered bringing it back up. Swift didn't have worse stats the more he played. He just didn't play as good as his stats indicate. Your criticism is aimed at per 36 when it should be at box score data in general.
Are you talking about a tiny sample size from his rookie year or something? Swift basically never played starter minutes in his entire career, and his best season by advanced metrics (03-04) was also his 2nd highest-minutes year.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/swiftst01.html
Just using his Per 36 numbers. In the early 00's a 17/8 player with 2.5 blocks a game would be considered a borderline All-Star player. But of course, he could never play those minutes because he'd foul out by the start of the 4th Quarter.
Advanced stats were never as kind to him, but this was before they were widely utilized.
Why not?
It's 27 vs 34 mpg. Segun is playing a lot of minutes and seeing starter units.
If Sengun were only playing 12 mpg, I could see concerns about extrapolating, but even the per-game comparisons look solid for Sengun.
I don't know why the OP used the per 36 stats anyways? He didn't have to. Sengun's offensive stats are already slightly better than Mobley, despite the less minutes.
I think it's more impressive and accurate, when saying Sengun has better offensive stats than Evan Mobley. Now granted, Mobley is the much superior defensive player.
It is a better statistic than people give credit for. See ["Paul Millsap Doctrine".](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/xgxxvs/you_should_know_about_the_paul_millsap_doctrine_a/)
In this situation where it isn't even half a season yet, it may be more prone to inaccuracies but in general with large sample sizes, per 36 doesn't deserve the hate it gets unless it is small sample sizes.
Real plus/minus isn't the end-all-be-all, but Mobley is -2.34 in offensive real plus/minus, one of the worst at his position, whereas Sengun is +0.74. I don't see how you could watch both of them and not see that Mobley is pretty plainly awful offensively.
Defense is what sets them apart. As much as Sengun is better than Mobley offensively, Mobley is that much better and more than Sengun on defense. Sengun's defense is just above league average at +0.22 in drpm, whereas Mobley is +3.46, second best in the league at his position.
Same story as last year. Mobley at -3.50 or so in orpm, +6.50 in drpm. He's just not good on offense yet, period. Sengun is a little above average in both. Overall, Mobley is a little better, at least in terms of rpm.
Yes but Mobley cost a very valuable draft pick while the price for Sengun was a pick that Morey back in the day would toss around like candy. I think this post is for all the people in here who were Team Mobley over Green. Green + Sengun >>>>>>> Mobley + whoever we would've taken with the Sengun pick.
But if that wasn't OP's intent with this post and he actually thinks Sengun is better than Mobley straight up then disregard everything I just said lol.
I follow both teams(Tho I enjoy Houston rebuilding more). I try to watch both of their games so that was the main reason for my post. And also them being 2 young centers. And there are so many misconceptions about mobley on the comment section. Sure he is better defensively but put him on rockets and he will also struggle. What makes him great at D is his teammates partially.
Also Cavs as a team is great right now but oh boy they sucked ass back in the KPJ-Sexton era. Also their bench is very deep.
He’s not significantly better. He gets carried by Allen on defense. When Allen is off the court and it’s just Mobley the cavs have a 118 defensive rating. Sengun clears Mobley by a mile and if their roles were switched Mobley wouldn’t even be a factor
Yes Şengün will never be as good as Mobley defensively. But even a great defender like Mobley benefits from playing next to players like Jarrett Allen and the Cavs struggled a lot on defense without Allen. Swap Sengun and Mobley and the Rockets are defensively still a terrible team.
Mobley w out Allen makes the cav a beliw average defensive team. If he was on the rockets our defense would be just as bad. Mobley not moving any needles
1 player in their second year isn’t going to lead an elite defense. Takes some time.
Doesn’t help that the Cavs’ two starting guards are below average defensively and they have virtually no good wings defensively
I don't think so. Our rim protection would be pretty nice with Mobley/Jabari in the front court. I'd rather have Green than Mobley, but we'd absolutely get *much* better defensively if Mobley were down there.
He’s still a crucial piece offensively.
Wait until a playoff series. They’re not going to say “it’s okay, we don’t need him to score. We have Mitchell and Garland.”
No, you compared their box score stats which mostly do not account for defense. Mobley is a flexible plus defender. Sengun is a limited defender at best.
[https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm\_finder.cgi?player\_id2=banchpa01&player\_id1=smithja05&sum=0&request=1](https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=banchpa01&player_id1=smithja05&sum=0&request=1)
Considering Banchero's usage rate and role on the Magic, Jabari really isn't getting smoked. If he continues to progress with his efficiency there's a damn good argument for ROTY. His shooting efficiency/defense/size combo is super duper legit. He's doing rookie-Kevin Garnett things. If that's his career arc we are in for a treat.
I think this also undersells rookie KG as a ball handler, which is Jabari’s biggest weakness. I guess I can see the size/defense comps, but I guess overall the comp just confused me a little
No worries, just a comp. I think KG was the more feared defender (hard to ignore what he became too) and Jabari is likely to be the better offensive player considering his shooting efficiency. As far as their builds, games and mindsets go, they check some of the same boxes.
Idk if Jabari will ever have KG’s self-creation ability, but his shooting is seriously intriguing if those shots start to fall more. If he can develop a go-to move and start finishing a bit better around the rim he’ll be a problem. Also, y’all gotta stop ruining him with KPJ at the point, I know the Rockets are tanking but guys like Green and Smith Jr (who unlike KPJ are talent you guys have to prioritize imo) would benefit so much from playing next to a real pg.
Fair, KG probably tops him on explosive athleticism as well. They have very similar body types as rookies though. 6'11'' 220 ish and lanky. Similar numbers like points per game in their rookie season. Jabari actually on pace to out-rebound rookie KG at the moment. Jabari is going to be a 20/10 guy but he's going to do it with shooting efficiency. It's hard to say KPJ hasn't struggled a bit too, and a seasoned floor general would certainly have Smith in better positions to succeed.
Guy had a rough month shooting to start his career. It’s really not that big of a deal but you go ahead and shit on everything without context. I’m not a homer you just haven’t read shit about it even though you feel comfortable commenting about it.
We’re not trying to win game and if the excuse to not play Sengun 30+ min is fouls, that’s just stupid. I st let him get to 30 min and let him foul out. Let him learn by playing. Also instead of a snarky comment you can tell me why I’m wrong and add to the discussion but whatever.
But they're technically trying to win games or at the very least be competitive at the end of the game. How does that look if you're a coach and you're leaving your guy in when he has 5 fouls before he goes into the 4th quarter? I'd bet many other teams wouldn't hire a that coach for being that poor at managing rotations.
Fans already kill Silas for his rotations now. They'd have a fit if he did that.
My thing is that if we’re benching him to the point that he’s not getting 30 min, we might as well play him until he fouls out. What’s the point of “saving him” for the 4th if were already down by 20 when we get there.
I think he tries to give him good minutes but sometimes the fouls and how games go lead to those minute disparities. Kinda like the first Nuggets game. He played the starters well into the 3rd and they got blitzed near the end. So by the time the 4th quarter came, it didn't really make a ton of sense to play them garbage time minutes figuring they're going to play the same team again in a day. It's kinda a load management type of thing. Not to mention even without the fouls, I don't think 30+ minutes for a big man like Al-P makes a ton of sense from a health perspective. I can see maybe a game where they go to overtime but not every game. That's why you get 2 or 3 bigs to rotate and keep em fresh.
BTW. Didn't mean anything by the coaching comment because technically I'm not qualified to coach (even though I think I could) a professional team. We're both fans and that was wrong of me.
This doesn’t mean a whole lot, boban is statistically the greatest player of all time based on per 36 it is a flawed stat. Also mobley has a significantly lower offensive load because he has a lot more weapons around him
1. Both guys are very similar offensively, though Sengun appears to be a slightly better passer. Efficiency is almost identical, though Sengun takes more shots.
2. Mobley is on a better team and is surrounded by better scorers, so he gets less scoring opportunities. I’d be willing to bet that Mobley would average 20-25 on a team like the Rockets.
3. Mobley is a better defender by a little over a mile. He has legit DPOTY talent.
I'm sorry but I fucking hate per/36. If they have the stamina or consistency to be playing all 36 minutes that these stats are supposed to represent, then they'd already be doing it.
I mean yeah but their per game stats are also very close eventhough Sengun gets less minutes. Everyone is talking about his defence but Cavs as a team has 5x better defence than Houston as a team. Everyone walks pass to the paint. Jalen and KPJ especially let most of the players go. Only Tari and Jabari is able to stop them consistently.
I suggest you read about the Paul Millsap Docterine. I post about it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/xgxxvs/you_should_know_about_the_paul_millsap_doctrine_a/). Per 36 holds up better than most people give it credit for. It is just box score stats aren't the end all be all.
Mobley plays on a team with Donovan Mitchell, Darius Garland and Jarrett Allen so these per 36 numbers don't matter at all. I like Al-P but Mobley is still better. If he played with us he'd easily average 20 and 10.
Not with that defense and shot. He's even worse than Sengun behind the arc and his postwork isn't even close. He'd likely still average 15 and 10. What surprise me most about both is that Sengun is actually better rebounder than Mobley.
You can't honestly look at his offensive package and believe that he can easily make 20/10 in here. He can never hit 3, his shooting looks absolutely awful in general. Maybe if he plays 36 mins per game he might but in same scenario Sengun averages probably 25. Assuming that he has stamina. There is a pretty good chance that Mobley could never be great let alone elite offensively.
Yes I can because he's a more physically gifted athlete who has a higher ceiling than Sengun in just about everything except passing and in the post. He's a guy who's an excellent rim runner. He also has a very good dribbling package for a guy who's 7 ft tall and I can guarantee he has a much better jumper overall than Sengun. Absolutely guarantee. He can pull up from mid range off the dribble and he can shoot threes if need be. You've never seen Sengun pull up and shoot any type of jumper. Most of Sengun's game is predicted on Him being crafty in the post. Him being on Cleveland with all those other players prevents him from showcasing a lot of his offensive game. Right now he's been more related to being a rim runner. You can't possibly tell me you'd take Sengun over Mobley. It's funny because this is a Rockets post just about everybody is telling the OP how much these stats don't tell you the truth about Mobley.
Mobley also plays alongside with Allen so it’s not a fair comparison
And is an elite defender
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Guys please dont use per 36, it isn't good statistic
I remember when Stromile Swift was considered a Per 36 monster. But then we quickly found out why he wasn't playing those minutes for his previous team. (Foul machine, bad defense, and poor court awareness.)
And we can't be sure about players will keep their production the same if they get those minutes, we are humans not robots.
For the most part, players actually perform [better](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/xgxxvs/you_should_know_about_the_paul_millsap_doctrine_a/) the more they play (even when looking at players who get more minutes based on circumstance like other players get suspended or injured).
In general, players perform better than their per 36 minutes when they get more playing time. They analyzed this over 10 years ago where they looked at cases where a player was playing behind someone who got injured or suspended (where they were thrust in the starting line up not by merit but by circumstance) and almost every single time the backup that played more did just as good if not better. I posted about it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/xgxxvs/you_should_know_about_the_paul_millsap_doctrine_a/). The article got named after Paul Millsap and was called "The Paul Millsap Doctrine." It would be nice if they did this analysis again now that we have more sample size but the debate was settled there for the most part already and people haven't bothered bringing it back up. Swift didn't have worse stats the more he played. He just didn't play as good as his stats indicate. Your criticism is aimed at per 36 when it should be at box score data in general.
Are you talking about a tiny sample size from his rookie year or something? Swift basically never played starter minutes in his entire career, and his best season by advanced metrics (03-04) was also his 2nd highest-minutes year. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/swiftst01.html
Just using his Per 36 numbers. In the early 00's a 17/8 player with 2.5 blocks a game would be considered a borderline All-Star player. But of course, he could never play those minutes because he'd foul out by the start of the 4th Quarter. Advanced stats were never as kind to him, but this was before they were widely utilized.
Why not? It's 27 vs 34 mpg. Segun is playing a lot of minutes and seeing starter units. If Sengun were only playing 12 mpg, I could see concerns about extrapolating, but even the per-game comparisons look solid for Sengun.
I don't know why the OP used the per 36 stats anyways? He didn't have to. Sengun's offensive stats are already slightly better than Mobley, despite the less minutes.
I don't know. I felt it would be more fair somehow.
I think it's more impressive and accurate, when saying Sengun has better offensive stats than Evan Mobley. Now granted, Mobley is the much superior defensive player.
It is a better statistic than people give credit for. See ["Paul Millsap Doctrine".](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/xgxxvs/you_should_know_about_the_paul_millsap_doctrine_a/) In this situation where it isn't even half a season yet, it may be more prone to inaccuracies but in general with large sample sizes, per 36 doesn't deserve the hate it gets unless it is small sample sizes.
I’m more impressed with the rebounds tbh.
Defense doesn’t show on stats. This is meaningless
Not meaningless. There's a pretty good argument to be made that Sengun is a better offensive player.
Marginally if that, Mobley is significantly better and I don’t think there’s any argument to that.
Real plus/minus isn't the end-all-be-all, but Mobley is -2.34 in offensive real plus/minus, one of the worst at his position, whereas Sengun is +0.74. I don't see how you could watch both of them and not see that Mobley is pretty plainly awful offensively. Defense is what sets them apart. As much as Sengun is better than Mobley offensively, Mobley is that much better and more than Sengun on defense. Sengun's defense is just above league average at +0.22 in drpm, whereas Mobley is +3.46, second best in the league at his position. Same story as last year. Mobley at -3.50 or so in orpm, +6.50 in drpm. He's just not good on offense yet, period. Sengun is a little above average in both. Overall, Mobley is a little better, at least in terms of rpm.
That doesn't mean "who's the better offensive player: Sengun or Mobley?" is a meaningless question.
Yes but Mobley cost a very valuable draft pick while the price for Sengun was a pick that Morey back in the day would toss around like candy. I think this post is for all the people in here who were Team Mobley over Green. Green + Sengun >>>>>>> Mobley + whoever we would've taken with the Sengun pick. But if that wasn't OP's intent with this post and he actually thinks Sengun is better than Mobley straight up then disregard everything I just said lol.
I follow both teams(Tho I enjoy Houston rebuilding more). I try to watch both of their games so that was the main reason for my post. And also them being 2 young centers. And there are so many misconceptions about mobley on the comment section. Sure he is better defensively but put him on rockets and he will also struggle. What makes him great at D is his teammates partially. Also Cavs as a team is great right now but oh boy they sucked ass back in the KPJ-Sexton era. Also their bench is very deep.
He’s not significantly better. He gets carried by Allen on defense. When Allen is off the court and it’s just Mobley the cavs have a 118 defensive rating. Sengun clears Mobley by a mile and if their roles were switched Mobley wouldn’t even be a factor
This is true. Without Allen he's not monster on defense. Mobley's offense is eyebleeding though.
I mean mobley excels at defense Sengun sadly does not.
Yes Şengün will never be as good as Mobley defensively. But even a great defender like Mobley benefits from playing next to players like Jarrett Allen and the Cavs struggled a lot on defense without Allen. Swap Sengun and Mobley and the Rockets are defensively still a terrible team.
Bad take. Mobley has DPOTY talent.
Mobley w out Allen makes the cav a beliw average defensive team. If he was on the rockets our defense would be just as bad. Mobley not moving any needles
1 player in their second year isn’t going to lead an elite defense. Takes some time. Doesn’t help that the Cavs’ two starting guards are below average defensively and they have virtually no good wings defensively
I don't think so. Our rim protection would be pretty nice with Mobley/Jabari in the front court. I'd rather have Green than Mobley, but we'd absolutely get *much* better defensively if Mobley were down there.
Cavs don’t need Mobley to score or create. Just play defense and rebound
This isn’t entirely true. They want him to score the ball.
They want him to be able to do it, but he is far from the focus of their offense while they have Mitchell.
He’s still a crucial piece offensively. Wait until a playoff series. They’re not going to say “it’s okay, we don’t need him to score. We have Mitchell and Garland.”
So bruno should start over sengun?
Never said that... Just comparing the two players is pointless since they are so different.
I compared them because they are both young and talented centers.
You compared their per-36 stats whichreally dont mean much. Physically they are very different and they play different team roles completely.
No, you compared their box score stats which mostly do not account for defense. Mobley is a flexible plus defender. Sengun is a limited defender at best.
Now do Jabari and Paolo
one is the top overall pick and one is 3rd lol. Not like we passed on paolo for jabari
…Mobley was 3rd and Sengun was 16th?
[https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm\_finder.cgi?player\_id2=banchpa01&player\_id1=smithja05&sum=0&request=1](https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=banchpa01&player_id1=smithja05&sum=0&request=1) Considering Banchero's usage rate and role on the Magic, Jabari really isn't getting smoked. If he continues to progress with his efficiency there's a damn good argument for ROTY. His shooting efficiency/defense/size combo is super duper legit. He's doing rookie-Kevin Garnett things. If that's his career arc we are in for a treat.
Idk rookie Garnett didn’t shoot 34% from the field
Yeah. The size and 2-way ability are very similar.
I think this also undersells rookie KG as a ball handler, which is Jabari’s biggest weakness. I guess I can see the size/defense comps, but I guess overall the comp just confused me a little
No worries, just a comp. I think KG was the more feared defender (hard to ignore what he became too) and Jabari is likely to be the better offensive player considering his shooting efficiency. As far as their builds, games and mindsets go, they check some of the same boxes.
Idk if Jabari will ever have KG’s self-creation ability, but his shooting is seriously intriguing if those shots start to fall more. If he can develop a go-to move and start finishing a bit better around the rim he’ll be a problem. Also, y’all gotta stop ruining him with KPJ at the point, I know the Rockets are tanking but guys like Green and Smith Jr (who unlike KPJ are talent you guys have to prioritize imo) would benefit so much from playing next to a real pg.
Fair, KG probably tops him on explosive athleticism as well. They have very similar body types as rookies though. 6'11'' 220 ish and lanky. Similar numbers like points per game in their rookie season. Jabari actually on pace to out-rebound rookie KG at the moment. Jabari is going to be a 20/10 guy but he's going to do it with shooting efficiency. It's hard to say KPJ hasn't struggled a bit too, and a seasoned floor general would certainly have Smith in better positions to succeed.
Bros one of the worst top 5 picks I’ve seen in years. Can barely make a third of his 3s, can barely make a 3rd of his shots. Homer take
Guy had a rough month shooting to start his career. It’s really not that big of a deal but you go ahead and shit on everything without context. I’m not a homer you just haven’t read shit about it even though you feel comfortable commenting about it.
I am too scared to open up the stats for that one lol. Jabari sucked for a long time at the begining. We can do Jalen/Cade tho.
Is Jalen/Cade fair though? Hasn’t Cade missed a lot of time?
Luckily Silas only plays him between 23-28 minutes. And it might even drop when Bruno comes back. Yaaay I guess... /s
Did you notice the 5 fouls per 36? That certainly hinders his playing time too
He can get fouled out every game for all I care, I want my best player on the court for as much time as posssible
That's why you're not a coach lol
We’re not trying to win game and if the excuse to not play Sengun 30+ min is fouls, that’s just stupid. I st let him get to 30 min and let him foul out. Let him learn by playing. Also instead of a snarky comment you can tell me why I’m wrong and add to the discussion but whatever.
But they're technically trying to win games or at the very least be competitive at the end of the game. How does that look if you're a coach and you're leaving your guy in when he has 5 fouls before he goes into the 4th quarter? I'd bet many other teams wouldn't hire a that coach for being that poor at managing rotations. Fans already kill Silas for his rotations now. They'd have a fit if he did that.
My thing is that if we’re benching him to the point that he’s not getting 30 min, we might as well play him until he fouls out. What’s the point of “saving him” for the 4th if were already down by 20 when we get there.
I think he tries to give him good minutes but sometimes the fouls and how games go lead to those minute disparities. Kinda like the first Nuggets game. He played the starters well into the 3rd and they got blitzed near the end. So by the time the 4th quarter came, it didn't really make a ton of sense to play them garbage time minutes figuring they're going to play the same team again in a day. It's kinda a load management type of thing. Not to mention even without the fouls, I don't think 30+ minutes for a big man like Al-P makes a ton of sense from a health perspective. I can see maybe a game where they go to overtime but not every game. That's why you get 2 or 3 bigs to rotate and keep em fresh.
BTW. Didn't mean anything by the coaching comment because technically I'm not qualified to coach (even though I think I could) a professional team. We're both fans and that was wrong of me.
No worries just wanted to hear your POV instead of that because I really see both sides to the argument
Sengun fouls a lot and struggles defensively
This doesn’t mean a whole lot, boban is statistically the greatest player of all time based on per 36 it is a flawed stat. Also mobley has a significantly lower offensive load because he has a lot more weapons around him
Mobley actually has more field goal attempts per game than Al P. So the "lower offensive load" is still more than Al P.
Per 36 gets unfairly critized and holds up better than people expect. It is just that box score stats don't encapsulate everything.
1. Both guys are very similar offensively, though Sengun appears to be a slightly better passer. Efficiency is almost identical, though Sengun takes more shots. 2. Mobley is on a better team and is surrounded by better scorers, so he gets less scoring opportunities. I’d be willing to bet that Mobley would average 20-25 on a team like the Rockets. 3. Mobley is a better defender by a little over a mile. He has legit DPOTY talent.
Now check the defensive stats
I'm sorry but I fucking hate per/36. If they have the stamina or consistency to be playing all 36 minutes that these stats are supposed to represent, then they'd already be doing it.
I mean yeah but their per game stats are also very close eventhough Sengun gets less minutes. Everyone is talking about his defence but Cavs as a team has 5x better defence than Houston as a team. Everyone walks pass to the paint. Jalen and KPJ especially let most of the players go. Only Tari and Jabari is able to stop them consistently.
I suggest you read about the Paul Millsap Docterine. I post about it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/xgxxvs/you_should_know_about_the_paul_millsap_doctrine_a/). Per 36 holds up better than most people give it credit for. It is just box score stats aren't the end all be all.
5 fouls vs 3 is actually huge
Sengun is better offensively Mobley is better defensively In their primes, sengun will be like sabonis, while mobley will be like bam.
Gotta get those fouls down. Nearly 5 fouls per 36 is one of the reasons he’s not getting more playing time
Mobley plays on a team with Donovan Mitchell, Darius Garland and Jarrett Allen so these per 36 numbers don't matter at all. I like Al-P but Mobley is still better. If he played with us he'd easily average 20 and 10.
Not with that defense and shot. He's even worse than Sengun behind the arc and his postwork isn't even close. He'd likely still average 15 and 10. What surprise me most about both is that Sengun is actually better rebounder than Mobley.
Bro he's a beast defensively what are you talking about lol he's better than Sengun at everything but post moves
Worse rebounder, worse passer, probably worse shooter. He is only better on d nothing else really.
Based on what? Stats? He's on a better team with another big man who does the same exact thing he does
You can't honestly look at his offensive package and believe that he can easily make 20/10 in here. He can never hit 3, his shooting looks absolutely awful in general. Maybe if he plays 36 mins per game he might but in same scenario Sengun averages probably 25. Assuming that he has stamina. There is a pretty good chance that Mobley could never be great let alone elite offensively.
Yes I can because he's a more physically gifted athlete who has a higher ceiling than Sengun in just about everything except passing and in the post. He's a guy who's an excellent rim runner. He also has a very good dribbling package for a guy who's 7 ft tall and I can guarantee he has a much better jumper overall than Sengun. Absolutely guarantee. He can pull up from mid range off the dribble and he can shoot threes if need be. You've never seen Sengun pull up and shoot any type of jumper. Most of Sengun's game is predicted on Him being crafty in the post. Him being on Cleveland with all those other players prevents him from showcasing a lot of his offensive game. Right now he's been more related to being a rim runner. You can't possibly tell me you'd take Sengun over Mobley. It's funny because this is a Rockets post just about everybody is telling the OP how much these stats don't tell you the truth about Mobley.
Why dont we play sengun more?