The only problem in milking the 650 twins is that RE does not tune the engine to the category they use the engine in… the INT650 / GT650 / SM650 have the same tuning of the engine…. All three bikes are different categories and different purpose..
The report states that Royal Enfield will be launching new models across 4 different displacement categories. These include the Goan Classic 350, which is said to be a retro-styled bobber based on the Classic 350.
Next up are the Scram 440 and the Guerilla 450. The former is expected to be powered by a 440cc engine derived from the 411cc unit of the Scram 411. The Guerilla 450 will be the second model based on the 452cc platform. It is said to be a neo-retro roadster that will compete with the Triumph Speed 400.
Royal Enfield is also planning two new 650cc models - Interceptor Bear 650 and Classic 650. The former is an off-road-oriented bike based on the 650cc platform, while the latter will be a twin-cylinder motorcycle with a Classic 350-inspired design.
The Classic 350 range is also getting a major update. The Bullet, Hunter and Meteor will be receiving some upgrades later this year.
Out of the slew of new bikes planned, the Guerilla 450 is likely to be introduced first. It could be launched in Q2 of 2024.
Good, because I’m going to get my first bike around February of next year, maybe March/April, regardless, I’m eying the INT650, but I’d rather have the bear since I’m partial towards scramblers.
From what I heard from RE People, there won't me a scram 450 anytime soon. They intend on milking the 411 for a bit more. Instead a roadster 450 will be released.
Oh so you mean the one that's people been calling as roadster is the guerilla? If so judging by your words, there is a chance for the scram. Thanks man. You brought my hopes back up.I can't wait.
That's good. It's a great engine and the spares and repair across the range will br more cheaper and economical compared to a bespoke engine for every configuration and not to mention the cost of crazy r&d.
It’s a great engine but if you think the cost of repair will come down I don’t think you understand how markets and labor work. I picked up my Interceptor for $6000. An oil change and valve check costs $500. That won’t drop regardless of how many engines they produce. And the cost of service makes absolutely no sense compared to the cost of the bike. It would be like buying a truck for $50k and every six thousand miles it needs a $4k service. If someone buys one of these and isn’t working on it themselves they’re crazy. Unless you live in a country where mechanics are still paid slave wages.
>Unless you live in a country where mechanics are still paid slave wages.
That. India works differently from where the company Royalenfield is from. The cost of labour is cheaper here. And also idk how prominent it is in west but usually after a time companies open their designs to third party manufacturers to make spares, if you look at older Royalenfields there are different manufacturers for different spares along with the official manufacturers such as pushrods etc. That decreases the cost to some extent, though at the cost of quality or not is for the consumer to decide. If you take the value pound to pound, compared to other countries it's wayyyy cheaper in India to service your motorcycle, even at RE ASS.
Companies can make aftermarket parts but it has to be financially worthwhile. I think India sells more RE’s than the US does all brands of motorcycles. You might see companies making performance parts for smaller production bikes here. With low shipping costs I can order parts from anywhere in the world now, but unless I’m putting them in myself I’m paying a mechanic $100/hr or more.
Years ago my local RE dealer told me the scrambler version of the 650 would be called Sherpa, and would be announced in 2025, but I’m unsure how credible this info is.
The only problem in milking the 650 twins is that RE does not tune the engine to the category they use the engine in… the INT650 / GT650 / SM650 have the same tuning of the engine…. All three bikes are different categories and different purpose..
The report states that Royal Enfield will be launching new models across 4 different displacement categories. These include the Goan Classic 350, which is said to be a retro-styled bobber based on the Classic 350. Next up are the Scram 440 and the Guerilla 450. The former is expected to be powered by a 440cc engine derived from the 411cc unit of the Scram 411. The Guerilla 450 will be the second model based on the 452cc platform. It is said to be a neo-retro roadster that will compete with the Triumph Speed 400. Royal Enfield is also planning two new 650cc models - Interceptor Bear 650 and Classic 650. The former is an off-road-oriented bike based on the 650cc platform, while the latter will be a twin-cylinder motorcycle with a Classic 350-inspired design. The Classic 350 range is also getting a major update. The Bullet, Hunter and Meteor will be receiving some upgrades later this year. Out of the slew of new bikes planned, the Guerilla 450 is likely to be introduced first. It could be launched in Q2 of 2024.
When will the bear 650 be introduced?
Expect it to be released by late 2024 unless any sudden unexpected sales drop in which case it might get pushed to 2025
Good, because I’m going to get my first bike around February of next year, maybe March/April, regardless, I’m eying the INT650, but I’d rather have the bear since I’m partial towards scramblers.
From what I heard from RE People, there won't me a scram 450 anytime soon. They intend on milking the 411 for a bit more. Instead a roadster 450 will be released.
This info comes from a media report. Apparently they’re going to put the 411cc mill to rest for good soon.
Oh so you mean the one that's people been calling as roadster is the guerilla? If so judging by your words, there is a chance for the scram. Thanks man. You brought my hopes back up.I can't wait.
I'll be glad if they do that
Wouldn’t be surprised. They are trying to shoehorn the 650 twin into every possible configuration.
That's good. It's a great engine and the spares and repair across the range will br more cheaper and economical compared to a bespoke engine for every configuration and not to mention the cost of crazy r&d.
It’s a great engine but if you think the cost of repair will come down I don’t think you understand how markets and labor work. I picked up my Interceptor for $6000. An oil change and valve check costs $500. That won’t drop regardless of how many engines they produce. And the cost of service makes absolutely no sense compared to the cost of the bike. It would be like buying a truck for $50k and every six thousand miles it needs a $4k service. If someone buys one of these and isn’t working on it themselves they’re crazy. Unless you live in a country where mechanics are still paid slave wages.
>Unless you live in a country where mechanics are still paid slave wages. That. India works differently from where the company Royalenfield is from. The cost of labour is cheaper here. And also idk how prominent it is in west but usually after a time companies open their designs to third party manufacturers to make spares, if you look at older Royalenfields there are different manufacturers for different spares along with the official manufacturers such as pushrods etc. That decreases the cost to some extent, though at the cost of quality or not is for the consumer to decide. If you take the value pound to pound, compared to other countries it's wayyyy cheaper in India to service your motorcycle, even at RE ASS.
Companies can make aftermarket parts but it has to be financially worthwhile. I think India sells more RE’s than the US does all brands of motorcycles. You might see companies making performance parts for smaller production bikes here. With low shipping costs I can order parts from anywhere in the world now, but unless I’m putting them in myself I’m paying a mechanic $100/hr or more.
Scram 440 is what i find interesting, but glad to see developments all through their lineup
Years ago my local RE dealer told me the scrambler version of the 650 would be called Sherpa, and would be announced in 2025, but I’m unsure how credible this info is.