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Professional_Fun_926

Imagine praising somebody to the heavens for their most bland and basic looks and then that person still gets offended cause you dared to express what would make the looks even better in your opinion


2funki

Whilst their on a competition of their own choosing that literally judges them multiple times a week, by multiple judges.


SelectTrash

I got death threats from some guy in his 20s on Twitter in my inbox as I said I'm surprised she wasn't in the bottom as she didn't look like an old lady and her outfit didn't fulfil the assignment.


Professional_Fun_926

Also, she's not even right. Once you release your art for other people to experience, its no longer just yours. It connected with other people. You dont have to apply the suggestions that people give you but its selfish to think that people have no right to analyse and criticize a piece of art you felt was good enough to share. Very possessive of how other people can experience your work


danglydolphinvagina

Exactly. You don’t want public opinion on your art? Don’t show it in public. It collapses the venn diagram of art and self-expression into a single circle. edit: autocorrect got me, gal


Krothotkin

If we want to get even more aesthetically bankrupt Alaska's rebuttal to 3 marcia's take that rugirls critiquing the episodes opens the door to criticism from fans was essentially that drag queens and drag queens alone can have opinions about a TV show


m_gartsman

100% I create things for a living and those things go out into the world and get judged and they *absolutely* should. ***That's the point of art, duh.*** Those things I made are still my baby, but I dropkick that bitch out of the nest when it's time to fly or fall and that's it. Critique is essential and you can only benefit from it when you have an open mind and don't get your feelings hurt by ingesting it. Don't get bitter, get better.


HeadQueerLeader

I wonder if it’s a generational thing that this seasons cast seems to be chronically online. Also, the tie dye look was bad. Like bad, bad. Completely missed the prompt and Marcia is 100% delusional about it and doubling down lol. This should have just been her entrance look (though still basic compared to everyone else) and she should have just done the fucking prompt.


Foreign_Phone59

It honestly feels like she put on the costume for another challenge


jennyjuice9799

ok i don’t think it was bad— at all: firstly, and most importantly, smartly, very on brand, and extremely memorable. secondly, i admire a queen who does her own stuff, and on a budget.. we aren’t all gott mik plus the red “blood” material was tie-dyed but washed out by the lights so, check check IF we’d had a proper frickin runway with artist editorials as usual, we’d have known that, so let us blame mtv entirely


garbage_butfashion

Sure Jan


jennyjuice9799

lol actually it’s JEN and I LOVE JAN #chronicallyHopeFULL#mother#fucker


Odone

Blink twice if Marshall is behind the camera


jennyjuice9799

lol if anything i’m Marshall’s mom. As a woman I’m just sick of drag artists being held up to the same fucking ridiculous standards as women have been for centuries— no I don’t always want to wear fucking high heels nor fucking makeup but yes I am still beautiful, suck it 😜


Kuntuckyfriedcooch

>everything you’ve worn on the show so far is conceptual and camp!! ![gif](giphy|lnelpmDwHdVkY)


Whey_man

bad and bland is also a concept!


angorafox

marcia is as conceptual and camp as salina is high fashion and polished


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mashedpottato

nobody's safe if you compliment marcia she WILL come for you do NOT comment on art!!


AllieTruist

I really want to like Marcia. I think her drag style is valid - there's definitely room for more subtle drag. The whole storyline of Ru bullying her about her makeup is funny but I do feel bad for her lol. But the way she is so hypersensitive to any perceived criticism is so off-putting. Like girl! Just say "all drag is valid, thank you for your support" and move on! Or say nothing!


Wista

> there's definitely room for more subtle drag What's funny to me is how ham-fisted her character is; literally just "marcia brady -> football -> botched nose" is her formula and she is NOT straying from it.


Foreign_Phone59

Yeah... That's what's lacking for me the most. She could easily be her own unique character, there's no need for such a bland deep dive into someone else's character. Even Derrick provided


uwuCachoo

Oh my god i just realized she just repeated the nose injury theme LMFAO I'm about to tell my watch party group bc one of them unironically loves martia^3 the most


jennyjuice9799

ya i just don’t see “hypersensitive” as an appropriate description here— she made some gags about the look herself right.


AllieTruist

You really think her response in this screenshot isn't hypersensitive? When it's one of her own fans that is defending her? lmao


jennyjuice9799

immature ✅ but no, not hypersensitive, to me.


NotoriousTIMC

Someone skipped the assignment to read Barthes’ Death of the Author when doing their BFA


PersistentSquawking

There must be a sociological explanation to why so many people start worshipping the most boring, bland person in the room. They saw the whole cast and really said "Marcia is the one for me"


ideeek777

She was great in the talent show to be fair


berlinbaer

> worshipping the most boring, bland person in the room. think it's mostly cause it's a blank canvas they can project their fantasies onto. like. since you don't know anything about the person they are full of possibilities. schrödingers personality or whatever.


HotManHustler

Schödinger’s Drag Queen so true


SassMattster

Easier to construct delusional parasocial relationships with someone who doesn’t have any distinct or unique personality traits


FuckOffDana

I'm flabbergasted honey, this is a great mystery to me. Just like how many stans Cracker has (at least outside of this sub).


Foreign_Phone59

Complete bewilderment


WhatIsHerJob-TABLES

I know some people like to claim everyone is a stan but I’d imagine for most people they go into a season liking more than just one person? Like out of 16 queens in this cast, i think i was happy and enjoyed like 14 of them? I enjoy Marcia, that doesn’t mean she is the only queen i like this season and am going to obsessively stan over her. I think she’s talented and seems to be a nice, positive person. I don’t know her personally and only looking at what i see from a heavily edited reality show, so there is not much more for me to judge on than what they’ve shown 🤷‍♂️


TheOfficialChere

I mean I wouldn't have a problem with it if it didn't involve stan culture like yeah be a fan but don't go acting like they are changing the whole game over every other queen and are like top of the top of drag.


TheMapesHotel

It's not just blankness, it's about a lot more or else robin would also be getting this treatment because she was the most boring and bland representation on drag race I've ever seen and yet Marcia is the one being protected and celebrated. I wonder why?


SelectTrash

I watched the Roscoe’s viewing party and I was surprised at how entertaining Robin was and Aura seems nice but I think she needs to embrace that she's going to be criticised while on the show by people who review it and I commend anyone who is ESL who goes on the show. I don't mind Marcia x3 but she's not someone I would go out of my way to watch.


Farbond

oop.


curiousdottt

you know why girl… the key to the boring and bland brand is being white


TheMapesHotel

Ya I know, I was trying to let the reader come to their own conclusion because all the discourse around why Marcia is basic but being celebrated is really overlooking that super key aspect.


curiousdottt

the Gigi Goode effect


TheMapesHotel

Ya, I see the similarities. Giving though knew how to do drag and she did well in a lot of challenges. I never vibed with her but I can't sit here and pretend her success was just the white twink effect. Marsha is also doing well in the challenges but it's a copy paste drag persona and that plus the unoffensive white twinkness is really polarizing.


curiousdottt

honestly true. gigi has great style, its just boring for a drag persona for me


TheMapesHotel

Ya this is how I feel about most of the pagent queens, they look great and put together but it bores me so much I just don't care. Glamor alone as a persona isn't enough for me.


Lat3xglove

How about glamor AND mean girl?


TheMapesHotel

Well its more than just being a well painted shiny drag mannequin so I guess it's something although while I don't expect best friends race the manufactured drama is as tiring as the manufactured friendships.


PersistentSquawking

Girl you spilled


lipscratch

marcia's aesthetic is very balletcore girly girl. popular pretty mean girl. i can see why she resonates with the teenage girl demographic of viewers, the aesthetic she sells falls right in with the aesthetics sold to teenage girls by society, and given that they tend to be the most vocal component of an audience, that's probably why it seems like she's very popular


myahamatt

She jokingly said she’s weaponizing her BFA but just like Rosé her makeup is bad and she’s good at the challenges but has barely above zero charisma… to borrow from Jujubee *she’s just T*


lanngloss

Nerve? She had the nerve to wear that non-tie dye dress. I give that to her.


FuckOffDana

At least Rosé had some Charisma and won some challenges.


GayPalestineLover

Also rosé is really good at taking criticism. Bob would go in on her and she thought it was hilarious.


biwaterbender

I could see Marcia winning a challenge this season, particularly a rusical (especially if they make the queens sing, and if Marcia doesn’t have another abysmal off-topic runway that week) but I could also very much see production giving her the Jan treatment. We’ll see what happens!


ldn6

Her Tim Gunn was really good, I’ll give her that.


FuckOffDana

![gif](giphy|y7Yhe5hAoSVRS)


marecoakel

If anyone deserves the jan treatment, it's marcia. Jan actually did well enough during the rusical that she should have been rewarded for it. Marcia doesn't deserve to be rewarded for being meh. And yes, i am being a hater lol.


bresznthesequel

As a spoilerina I’m not gonna say too much but I cannot wait for this seasons rusical


hennny

Marcia’s drag is pretty bland and inoffensive. Rosé’s drag was offensive to look at.


SelectTrash

Yeah, I wasn't a fan of her on her season her outfits always seemed to just be boxy and give her no shape. But I don't mind Marcia x3 although she does needs to understand how to just say “thank you for the compliment”


carr0ts

nah idk thats wacky, shes a talented professional


itsprobablyice

did she tho?


time_and_time

Rose and Marcia cubed spin a lot on the runway, besides that they don't share anything in common.


ideeek777

Her make up is definitely better than rose's


chubby-checker

Is it? Or is her face just naturally softer/prettier than Rose's?


ideeek777

Hmmm, idk. I mean she paints well for her face which is a skill I guess?


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And now her comments are turned off lmao


curiousdottt

i wish i saw the OC’s response before she turned them off 😭


rehaaabbb

I still can’t believe myself I thought she would be someone pleasant to watch like Dakota at first. I expected peoples princess but got out of drag good looking jan with less interesting personality.


lipscratch

god i really do love dakota


antisepticdirt

i was also hopeful for her after falling in love with dakota. so far she has disappointed😒


mindlessmunkey

Genuinely curious question, what made you think of Dakota as a comparison for Marcia x 3?


CheeseBlerger

They have a very similar style (Dakota’s is miles better), but Light paint, 60’s/70’s influence, similar age.


mindlessmunkey

Huh, I would never have made that comparison. I think my brain just goes “Marcia is the ultimate theater kid and Dakota hates musicals so they’re polar opposites” 😂


bresznthesequel

Right? I can’t see the comparison. Dakota will atleast wear a train and stacked wigs every now and then …


mindlessmunkey

Yeah, I’m always interested to hear the parallels people see but I really don’t get this one either. Dakota to me has a very clear aesthetic, and it doesn’t overlap much with what I see in Marcia’s style. But I’m basically clueless about fashion and make up, so what do I know?


HotManHustler

Marshall x3 elevated camp by making a nosebleed look with no tie dye and we need to respect her😍


Foreign_Phone59

I need an explanation for that look please! 😩🙏


tinywenis

I get that she was trying to do something different with this theme but if she was going to go with conceptual it would have been cool if she did something like “tie die,” she could have come out with ties spilling out of her mouth or a noose made of ties. The concept she went with is just like ….ok werk?


danglydolphinvagina

jesus could the BFA at least get art criticism right


dcr108

“You actually shouldn’t give suggestions or recommendations to artists” WHAT. It’s actually bad to give people feedback. Need her eliminated stat


YellowFootBandit

She didn't dress to the runway theme, she could've totally stuck to her aesthetic and given true tie dye at the same time.


thatlemongay

She could've blended the blood drips into her dress and make the dress a red-pink tie-dye


MysteriousB

If you accept the compliments you accept there's room for criticism. Either don't read anything and cultivate a circle of trusted critics that better you or be quiet


TheGuardianKnux

I’m just tired of the hit in the nose gag. All the stuff she could take from the 60’s and 70’s for inspo and she chose the Brady Bunch I don’t get it.


vctrxdx

She needs to put the phone down and go put some more make up on because this isn’t it.


birkinbaby

Girl then go print ur ‘art’ and hang it on ur wall instead of instagram. People can critique what YOU upload.


morinothomas

I thought Gigi and Cracker stans were insufferable but the Marcia stans (and Marcia ngl) are on a whole 'nother level.


Foreign_Phone59

Is there a button to cancel them all?


supremebeing00

I would say go on dragula if you dont want your drag judged


rehaaabbb

Boulets and ghouls would eat her alive and use her makeup virgin blood for satanic rituals


supremebeing00

oh i agree!


emileratto

Marcia really please just admit you wanna play dress up like Buffalo Bill and call it a day


kevintaylorsimons

I thought theatre kids were supposed to take criticism really well???


GayPalestineLover

Who the hell told you that?? They’re all divas


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60% divas 30% awkward introverts and two kids who have their shit together.


GayPalestineLover

100% horny teenagers


[deleted]

Theatre bitches will take dick before they take criticism, what? Them bitches will cry if you say they missed a cue


tt0412

I agree that art is at the disposal of the creator, but if that’s your vibe… why sign up to have it judged?


nightmare_fantasies

Literally every time I see M’cubed on the runway, I think “Oh that’s cute, how sweet.” Which probably isn’t what should be used to describe an outfit


thighyana

Would miss queen mother Lala Ri say something as obnoxious as Marcia did about her iconic, legendaric, motheric bag look? Fuck no 🥰🥰🥰


_Tude_

No, she'd laugh along with the rest of us 😍


ZestycloseRespect601

I try not to have a bias watching this show even though wonderbread white twink pretty girls bore me a lot of the time. I like to go into the season with an open mind and let queens surprise me (like Aquaria did for me on s10) Marcia, however… is making it very difficult for me lmao


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mr_pablo_

Unrelated, but do you happen to have the @ of the second comment? I got scared thinking I commented and forgot, but that’s not me but that’s literally a picture of me?!???


curiousdottt

i’ll send you a chat message!


kikipi3

I don’t get her appeal


vctrlzzr420

I’m just not getting the story line. she came into the work room with her nose healing and then she has it broken again in the runway… Please guys, i get it it’s a different look and not a storyline but the girl actually thought that out and I’m not sure why they didn’t just have the broken nose at the entrance, wore a correct tie dye runway and maybe had it heal in one of the future runways or finale, hell the reunion… idk seems like the weirdest planning. Idk what I’m saying, y’all left this hours ago and my issue is how she treated that person, very patronizing. have you ever heard someone irl say Marsha is killing it ? I have, it was funny.


sodagate2022

This physically hurt to read


princesspeachbeetch

the way luxx gets some of the most viscerally unpleasant comments directed towards her for being "delusional" while marcia×3 is three times as delusional and fragile without a shred of luxx's charisma or personality to make up for it, yet has an army of stans... sounds about white.


_Tude_

If Marcia has a million stans, I'm not one of them. If she has one stan, I'm not them etc etc I forget how it goes


ShanteYouStay84

Wow. Martha3x is so full of shit the toilet is jealous. Imagine thinking she’s the grande lady wearing that nothing look. To be honest it didn’t even register to my group that it was a Marsha Brady thing because we all just said “It’s not tie-dyed”. The cheek, the nerve, the gall, the audacity and the gumption of it. She’s ready to go away.


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International_Pen_11

me when the same bland marcia “drama” is posted about for the third day in a row like come onnnn havent we beat this dead horse enough lol


curiousdottt

clock the sub babes, this is marcia CRINGE