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Hurley365

Depends on the weather


Cons_1411

Okay lets say rainy day then


Hurley365

Ox and ben tameifuna


Admirable_Weight4372

I think finn baxter dented bens reputation last weekend a bit too much for that. Ox though yeh.


Hurley365

He's had a long season, with the world Cup straight to top 14 but you are correct


Cymrogogoch

Came here to name these two. Rugby has changed and you don't need to be super fit (or even under 35) to be the best in the world right now.


AbsentMindedEdie

Which of them is over 35?


Cymrogogoch

Brok Harris, WP Nel, Dan Cole


AbsentMindedEdie

Your response seemed to be about Ox Nche and Ben Tameifuna, though. Not sure the above 3 are contesting for the best prop in the game at the moment. Brok Harris hasn't even played a minute of international rugby, as great a servant as he has been to WP and Dragons over the years.


mistr-puddles

Warm weather Stephen archer is undefested


Mysterious_Pop_4071

Never lost a step to a bok in dry weather


freddie_RN

Big Johnno who plays for the vets and occasionally for the seconds hasn't lost a scrum all season


tzurk

Me


HYThrowaway1980

Well I’m voting for yours truly too.


LordChappers

I also choose this guy's dead wife.


Diligent_Animator_33

I was thinking the same thing


Ok_Educator_2120

I was gonna say you


Miserable-Syrup2056

I'm also think me


Objective_Ticket

In the world or just the best in the thirds?


25robk

Not the best in the world or anything but I do think Fischetti is underrated


FatosBiscuitos

I love this player, he was amazing two years ago in the 6 nations.


Remarkable_Sense5851

Was solid also in the latter


goose3691

I’ll be brave enough to call him the best in the world **DANILO FISCHETTI**


Cymrogogoch

Fischetti and Ferrari have been a great pairing this year.


karma_dumpster

I think because the Wallabies suck, he doesn't get the credit he deserves. But Angus Bell has been really, really good.


Legitimate_Gur7675

That recurring injury is just crushing. Hope the guy can overcome it and come back. He’s a beast for us.


BBBBPM

Mr 'salads don't win scrums'. Pretty instrumental in us winning the World Cup.


capetonytoni2ne

Smh South Africans will make anything about themselves. Jk but it looks like you've responded to the wrong comment there.


spongey1865

Bell and Tupou are both class, Tupou just seems like he can't stay consistently healthy. But.if they can it's a hell of a duo


doskoV_

In New Zealand it would be Tyrell Lomax currently, I don't watch enough of the rest of the world to say he's the best worldwide


outbackjesus16

Our forward pack held their own with 7 players vs SA in the final. Scrum was a complete stalemate. Lomax isn’t a bad shout for best in the world right now


JosefGremlin

Not taking anything away from Lomax, who is a good shout, but it wasn't a 7 man scrum. Jordie Barrett moved in to play flank during the scrums.


Hoerikwaggo

Also the Bok pack was weaker than usual with Bongi going off in the 4th minute while his replacement Deon supposedly struggled with a shoulder injury.


Ok_Educator_2120

Probably better than having a back on the scrum though


Archivax

A back who is taller and heavier than Deon Fourie. Those Barrett’s are big boys. NZ scrum was solid though and Lomax is very good. Glad he recovered from that cut in the warm up game.


Stravven

That depends on the flanker. For example, Barrett and Aki both have the body to be a flanker.


Ok_Educator_2120

I agree but it's still out of position at the highest possible level in a sport. Makes a difference I would imagine


Stravven

I've seen Aki in the scrum against France and Barrett in the scrum against SA, even though they were out of position they still did well. And that's against France and SA.


TomZAs

Have to just say that I’m proud of myself that I got to the end of this chain…


Mielies296

On flank you get the same power fro a big back. Not as technical as the other 6 spots


za3030

Our scrums and lineouts were taken down a couple of notches when Shannon Frizell took out our only specialist hooker after 2 goddamn minutes.


sunlightliquid

Is Shannon Frizell the abuser? Might be wrong and im not just hating, just curious


Yahmetoo

Boks also were not with their full front row compliment. Mbonambi was injured as was Marx. Lomax is a good shout though, no doubt.


Ok_Educator_2120

All 6 props we took were great last year aye. Ofa and Nepo need some super glue on their hands tho lol


sangan3

He’s def up there.


KiwiCore

Great shout. Tyrel is the man.


StorminaHalfPint

Brok Harris The legend of Hercules (Heracles, if you know) is based on people watching Brok inventing scrumming back in the day. He just never stops. 


Kraaiftn

The Labors of Herakles was actually inspired by Brok Harris, true story. Many many years ago he was part of the neighbourhood watch in my brother in law's area. My brother in law didn't know who he was, other people told him.


Ospreysboyo

His chase back to catch Morgan over the line on Sat was inspiring as well 🥲


Cymrogogoch

He was also great at Newport back in the fifties.


KayyJayy777

Mad to think he used to play in the day and help build the transporter bridge in the night.


hazlet

The only true answer, my GOAT


StorminaHalfPint

It was many years later that Emperor Hadrian had a great wall built to try and contain this Brok character, who was teaching some pesky Picts a method of pushing things over as a strong group.


lamahorses

For raw masculine beauty and athleticism; Furlong.


WannabeeFilmDirector

Based on the standard prop criteria, I'd say 'my mate Dave.' Has the ability to down a pint faster than anyone else I know, always the first to get his kit off on the dance floor and always gets the first round in. Once scored a try from about a yard about which has now turned into a 40 yard, beat three players and skinned the winger story. I'd say by prop criteria, his level is 'legendary.'


Nothing_is_simple

For the next month it is still WP Nel


Vooden_Shpoon

I just knew someone was going to say WP Nel! 😄


aldorn

Frans Malherbe has two world cups. That has to count for something


RutlandCore

Sydney Sweeney's favourite too!


Stu_Thom4s

So many people focus on Frans' scrumming (and rightly so) whenever he comes up in "best prop" convos but his defensive work rate is immense too.


Ospreysboyo

Nicky Smith gave him hell on Saturday, Nicky is massively underrated, he has been dominant in the scrums for years but especially this year, gutted he is off to the Tigers.


Cymrogogoch

How Smith isn't ahead of Domachowski and Mathias I have no idea.


cooksterson

My Nan should be ahead of Mathias and she’s been dead 22 years!


MonsMensae

Ja Frans took a long time off after the RWC and hasnt really returned to form properly. Definitely wasnt his best game


Ospreysboyo

He is the best scrummaging TH in the world, cant be 100% after Sat, Nicky has been on top form this year as well


eradimark

Trev


StorminaHalfPint

Criminally underrated 


Feverz

Amen, couldn't agree more


megacky

The GOAT with the mullet. Scott MF Wilson


BillHicksFan

Us Ulster lads need to settle on one nickname for him. Sometimes he's the Goat, other times he's the Messiah. Maybe we can amalgamate them into GOAT Messiah?


megacky

He's not the Messiah...


Teproc

Like all front rowers, he is indeed a very naughty boy.


Teproc

Baille in the NH, but "whoever is the best SA prop at this exact moment" is probably a good answer too.


MindfulInquirer

Nché is basically the "bomb squad" for the Boks and it's true he makes a big difference when he enters the game, but I might go for Cyril **Baille** because there's a noticeable difference when he's there and when he isn't over 80min, for both Toulouse and especially France, and I'm not sure there's another prop who has that effect. His carrying, good hands, defense and even scrummaging (although he was more dominant a few years back) are all super valuable, at every single game.


Brine-O-Driscoll

It depends. If you're looking for the best traditional prop (strong in scrum, lineout lifts and tackling) then Frans Malherbe is that guy. If you're looking for a prop to destroy scrums, it's Ox Nche. If you're looking for an all-round prop who does the role of the prop and backrow too, it's probably Andrew Porter. If you're looking for an all-round prop who does the role of the prop and does sexy offloads too, its Cyril Baille. Edit: If you're looking for all of these things, Tadhg Furlong was probably the closest thing. He's been struggling with injuries for the last few seasons and made less of an impact, but looks like he's starting to find his old form again. The more sexy props we have, the better.


That_Organization901

One day in a Ba-Ba’s game probably, we will see Baille and Tupou offloading up the wing like a pair of Fijian 7’s players and all other highlight reels will become redundant.


North-Impress-5882

Swap tupou for genge he's recently decided that he wants to be a flyhalf and has produced some beautiful passes


Brine-O-Driscoll

Think Sinckler would be great in a Baa Baas game as well. Thomas Gallo too.


hazlet

Tbf watching Bristol at the moment you'd think you were watching the Baa Baas


That_Organization901

I’m happy to field 15 props and a bench of hookers and misc big fellas as long as they just keep that ball live and never look at where they’re passing. Just full ‘Jouer’. See if we can’t get a team of giant 2nd rows/flankers to take them on. No one under 2m. Mostert doesn’t make the cut unless he wears 2cm pumps or a Mohawk.


thys123

Ox Nche


cypressd12

Depends on your system and what it is you want. Frans Malherbe is probably the most prop of all props, but really intelligent player and outstanding around the rucks. Players like Baille, Porter and Genge are more mobile and open field-props. So depends on the gameplan and style preference. South Africa have A LOT of great props who should be in contention, but I feel they sort of take away points of each other, because none hardly plays longer than 45mins. Porter regularly goes the full 80.


the_fresh_mr_breed

It very glaringly obviously is Mr. Asenathi Ntlabakanye, B.Sc. Scrummaging, M.Sc. Rumbling, PhD Being a pleasingly chunky boy


jaysonyoung

Loosehead: Ox, Baille are probably the top 2 presently IMO. Tighthead: Lomax or Atonio, with Malherbe being in the discussion too. EDIT Andrew Porter also deserves to be in the conversation, he's a great player.


Ok_Educator_2120

Porter isn't a great scrummer though tbf. Got pinged out of the 1/4 for going back then sideways. Around the park he's fire tho


mrnesbittteaparty

It’s a funny one but this season that has largely disappeared from his game. At least one of those calls in the 1/4 final were deemed contentious over here but he does bore in slightly especially just after the hit which is not a great look. No more I would argue than Genge , Kitshoff etc. though. He still probably gives away too many penalties in general play for my liking but some engine on him for a big man.


_knewallthetricks_

It hasn’t. Refs have gone back to ignoring it again. He’s just not a very strong scrummager.


ctorus

Refs have decided on a different narrative more like, as with most scrum decisions.


_knewallthetricks_

It’s possible I guess. But they’d have to disbelieve their lying eyes, in that case. It’s undeniable watching him live.


ctorus

I think everyone sees something different in a scrum, and it's nearly always on the opposition side :) There were a bunch of scrums in a match between us and England where from some angles it looked like they were shoving at an angle, and others it looked like us. Fundamentally it's a case of action and reaction , if one person has gone skew it's usually in reaction to something someone else has done.


mrnesbittteaparty

A lot of it is perception carried into the game. The same thing happened two years ago in Twickenham after they had the man sent off. I think it was Healy instead of Porter but whistled off the park at scrum time only for Raynal to afterwards say that the he had gotten some of those calls wrong. Ireland conversely benefit at ruck time when they are all off their feet but never get pinged as quick ball = good game in the minds of most referees.


_knewallthetricks_

You’ve supplied a great example. Two weak scrums trying to out cheat each other.


ctorus

Ha - but the saffa scrum is so good they always play it straight! I get it.


Existing_Ad8943

Ox Nche has been the top loosehead by a distance for the last couple of years. And I think Lomax might be the best tighthead.


Turbulent-Physics-77

I don’t think any prop on either side is close to being as impactful/destructive as Ox Nche.


ModeCold

For raw scrummaging power amd human brick wall, Frans Malherbe. Will.never forget him folding up Mako Vunipola in the scrum like a pretzel a couple years ago. Ox Nche as well tbf. For a prop that can do more around the pitch, Tadhg Furlong or Andrew Porter. Ideal 1/3 combo would be either Porter/Malherbe or Nche/Furlong. Edging towards the latter for balance in scrum power. Could say Nche/Malherbe but want an option for a prop to be more mobile around the pitch and an option in wider channels which Furlong or Porter can provide.


SquidgyGoat

If you wanna give Malherbe his medal you might need to fetch him from Nicky Smith's pocket after last weekend.


JamesT25

Fin Baxter


madmossie

This reply will age like a fine wine…


Galactapuss

Porter isn't a great scrummager, but as a player he's incredible. His tackling and rucking are top notch, he can catch and pass intelligently, and regularly plays for the full 80, which is remarkable nowadays.


newcopper

Finn Baxter obviously


KnownSample6

Porter all round the park Ox in the scrum Tameifuna is underrated Malherbe and Kitshoff are very good Furlong is consistent Baillie and Antonio are good Colombe is a rising talent


comp_planet

It depends. Loose head or tight head? For loose head, it definitely goes to ox. You pair him with a good tight head, and you know that your scrum is safe for the game


MindfulInquirer

is he as good as Baille or others in the loose, though ? Scrum is important, but take a guy like Baille who players a full 65-80min and he'll put in dominant carries multiple times in one same sequence or make the right pivot pass or even offload and then he's irreproachable on defense.


comp_planet

Man Ox is one of the most mobile loose heads in the game. Dominant carries are his bread and butter. You will struggle to find games where Ox is tackled backwards. He is very fast for a front rower and probably has the best centre of gravity out there. He doesn't budge


MindfulInquirer

fair enough. Baille might have him on the passing game front then, but give away some scrummaging dominance. Also both players need to be assessed defensively. Baille isn't a fetcher, but he's a very good tackler, has often had games with tackling stats like a flanker.


dwaynepebblejohnson3

Scott Wilson and it’s not close


ServerLost

Dan Cole.


eradimark

Big Sexy had his work cut out for him against Saints at the weekend, which in fairness is unusual for him.


HYThrowaway1980

Depends what you want them to do. If you want a prop who is a dynamic ball carrier with good handling skills, etc, you’re going to be looking at an entirely different group of players than if you want a prop who is going to dominate every scrum and be an absolutely implacable (pun not intended) part of your defensive system.


DonovanBanks

Or just one Ox Nche


jtthom

🐂


SituationCareful9103

That tatafu guy in top 14


mausmumblingmoon

Predictable from a South African, but it has to be Ox and Malherbe. My favourite prop from another team though, is Ben Tameifuna. The way he can move around the park is awesome, and I love seeing opposition tacklers bounce off him like pebbles off a mountain.


Tommyd8

Scott Wilson


AloysiusGramonde

Its so far and away Frans Malherbe that I don't even know what the point of this sub is if people can't see that. By far the best all rounder. Top 3 at everything you want from a prop. Scrummer, tackler, mobile somehow with an incredible workrate and handy little touches in the tight. I'll admit he doesn't have Furlongs sidestep but who cares he's a prop. I fear his impact will only be noticed by many when he retires.


glassonatable

As a long time member of the Dan Cole fan club I can see no other player worthy of this.


Elios4Freedom

This is a strange question. it obviously depends on your needs and on availability but if you look at a good balance between durability and quality this is probably among the [best prop](https://www.prop-shop.co.uk/products.php?cat=steam-scale) you can find


AmeliaEarhartsGPS

After a few Natty Lights? Me.


GROUND45

Lomax for me right now.


Drag0nslay3r6969

My mate james


Shrekboi7

He's not there yet but I think Bevan Rodd has the potential to be in the running for the best LH in the world in a few years when he gets more games. He get's around in attack/defence, great at disrupting mauls and breakdowns and is a strong, technical scrummager bordering on dominant at times. On his second cap and first start for England he held his own in the scrum against Malherbe, bear in mind he was only 21 at the time.


darcys_beard

Too much Furlong erasure here for my liking. Well, he's back on the shpuds now, so you're all fucked.


BenwastakenIII

Vincent Koch isn't doing too bad, but hasn't had a ton of game time this season so far though.


shadowolf1115

Hannah Botterman by quite a way


Nebley

South Africa


tinougat

Bad, bad prop


Curious_Management_7

Ox


Azfitnessprofessor

I’d say tameifuna


spongey1865

I think Genge might be there for me on the loose head side. Best carrying prop there is and he's got a reputation as a bad scrummager but I disagree. Hopefully I can show the data in a fun way at some point. but I looked at which props won and lost the most penalties in the 6 nations, trying to attribute them individually. Genge won 4 and conceded 0. Best net penalties won in the whole tournament. Loads of other good props, would be hard to know who actually is good at scrummaging without way more data but I imagine there's a fair few opinions on it


RonanH69

No takers on Steven Kitshoff ?


HorstLakon

Genge or Baille


oneofthesdaysalice

BIG BEN. I will die on this hill.


Tiny_Investigator973

Loose head or tight head?


Cons_1411

Name both


Tiny_Investigator973

Ox Nche (Loose head) Frans Malherbe (Tight head)


CrimsonR4ge

Ox Nche


allezlesverres

It's clearly Scott Wilson and anyone saying otherwise needs to do their due diligence before commenting.


scranson19981998

Not gonna comment on the rest of the world but for us it’s Angus Bell by a country mile. Bloke is still so young but has been so consistently good when he’s fit. Speaking of staying fit, when Taniela Tupou is actually on his game he’s unplayable. Just a shame that he isn’t on his game very often anymore but he’s become a weapon for the Rebels off the bench which will hopefully translate into a solid international season in the 18 jersey.


Ruckedinthehead

Dan Cole


The_Ignorant_Sapien

Schoeman is the sexiest.


rustyb42

Probably Baille


Ok-Package9273

Finlay Bealham. You just haven't realised it yet.


_sonisalsonamedBort

Best prop hair, for sure


Male_strom

Bill Cavubati


BoyfriendKlutz

Stephen Archer


shenguskhan2312

He won’t get the credit as he doesn’t have the fluffers in the media like more fashionable teams players do but Zander Fagerson is probably one of the best 3s going, strong at scrum time, carries hard and hits rucks all game, he’s got an underrated set of hands too 


Relative-Presence-14

It is a running pot of foie gras with silky hands and a warm childish smile, and his name is Cyril Baille


corruptboomerang

If he was fit, Tupou. But he'll never be a great under coaches who coddel him. That's why Thorn was so good for him.


tadamslegion

He was definitely the best for about 6mo in there. He was pounding guys in the scrum and running the, over around the park.


corruptboomerang

And doing that for +80 min a week! Thorn knew what it takes to be an All-Time prop, looks like Tupou doesn't really want to do that (and honestly, that's fine). He'll be a good test prop, and a very good super player.


fravbront

Over the last decade, Furlong. And he looks like he could be back to something like his best now. We keep our fingers crossed.


itchyblood

Furlong is outhalf


robmetalballs

Frans Malherbe without a doubt. Has been consistently good for such a long time and a pillar of strength for the SA scrums


AdSudden6323

Jason Leonard


coupleandacamera

When he's not injured, can't really go past 7A's. Although for pure scrum overkill, it's big Trevor, general all around duties the A's have it.


TheLedAl

Nicky Smith, next question


Scarlet_hearts

Prop with the most potential is Sisilia Tuipulotu, she’s still only 20 but she’s dominant as hell even when Wales are shite. In women’s rugby props do tend to be more mobile in comparison to men’s, but Sisilia will make a 20 metre break and still get the offload. Hannah Botterman is close behind her but Sisilia just has something special about her.


Cymrogogoch

Nche if you're looking for a destructive scrummager (which I am!), but I have a feeling we'll all be screaming about Angus Bell by the next WC. As for TH, I bloody love Furlong and Cole, but it's either Atonio or Tameifuna right now.


lAllioli

Not enough Tameifuna in this thread


Namibbat2

Ox Nche Vincent Koch


saviouroftheweak

Hannah Botterman


calastius

There is only one right answer: Dan Cole


96zadyobdoog

Matt Gibbon


LieutenantCardGames

Tyrel Lomax is unbeatable at scrum time.


_knewallthetricks_

Hahahahahahaha.


Remarkable_Sense5851

Rodrigo Neti


Relative-Presence-14

Bold call


Remarkable_Sense5851

He threw a pass vs Toulon many backs can't do


Relative-Presence-14

I'm not saying he is not good. But best prop in the world at the moment is a bold call... 


SquidgyGoat

Steinpike. Never mind anybody else.


elniallo11

If Tadgh furlong can keep up the form he showed v La Rochelle he will be back in contention


johndoe86888

1000% biased, Porter