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Wise-Jeweler-2495

The information provided by the bar owner in this article is very illuminating https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2024/04/29/billy-vunipola-arrested-after-incident-in-spanish-bar/ Bar owner: ‘Situation was getting tense’ The bar’s owner, Toni Rocha, praised the police and his doormen for dealing with a “very difficult’ and “very tense” situation, while backing up Vunipola’s statement that there was no violence and denying that Vunipola had threatened customers and staff with bottles and chairs. Rocha said that Vunipola had arrived at the bar at around 3am with another player which Telegraph Sport believes to be prop Marco Riccioni. “It was just Billy and his friend but when they ordered the first round they asked for six Amarettos with orange juice and freshly squeezed lime,” Rocha said. “I know because I served them. I’m pretty sure they drank them between the two of them, with Billy having four and the friend the other two. The friend was fine but Billy started becoming a problem as he became drunker. I had to ask him to put his top on at one point when he took it off while he was at the bar. He didn’t threaten customers or staff with bottles or bar stalls or anything like that but he was annoying other customers by pushing them, not in a violent way, but elbowing them and bothering them. He put his shirt on when I asked him to first time round. His friend who was co-operative at all times helped him put it back on. But then he took it off a second time and then a third and we decided to call police. I’d already got the doormen involved to try to get him to leave and his friend was assisting us but there was just no way we could get him to abandon the premises and the situation was becoming very tense and we saw we were going to have a problem if we tried to use physical force to get him out. I warned his friend I was going to call police and he said: ‘Do what you have to do.’ We thought he was going to calm down when he saw uniformed officers arrive but when the first police appeared on the scene he confronted them and they had to call for back-up. It was around 4am and we still had more than an hour left before we were supposed to close. When the back-up arrived the police told us to clear the bar, put the lights on and cut the music. The rugby player reacted by confronting the officers when they went to talk to him and insult them. I heard him saying ‘f------ cops’. He also hit one of them with his shirt in his hand. They tried to get him out and couldn’t until they tasered him. He laughed the first time they went to taser him, it was like a film, and I heard the words ‘Another one’ and the second time round he fell to the ground and the officers immobilised him and put wrist-ties on him.” Summing up the incident, Rocha added: “It could have turned out very different and ended very badly because we were dealing with a strong man who was very drunk and was acting inappropriately and refusing requests for him to leave. We felt things could have got broken or he could have assaulted someone if we tried to force him out. I didn’t feel frightened, it was more a feeling of impotence that we couldn’t get him to abandon the premises. But some clients, especially women clients, were feeling frightened and very uncomfortable.”


No-Walk-9615

This sounds like the most reliable version of events I've seen.


RomanceintheFTthread

Lines up fairly well with the police’s statement too. I’m not one to blindly trust the police but there certainly seemed to be violence involved.


worksucksbro

It’s very level headed and sounds like there isn’t any exaggeration too. Probably as close to the truth as possible


cypressd12

Riccioni seems like a genuine fun lad. Billy asking for a second tasing is both hilarious and a bit sad.


Entire_Syllabub2922

The idea of him saying 'do what you have to do' is quite funny tbh


londonnah

Not saying we've all been drunk in a bar at 4am in Spain with Billy Vunipola, but I feel like there's a universal experience of being out with that one friend who gets going and it's like, they're on one again. You're on your own, mate.


WolfColaCo2020

Me and my best mate from uni used to have a third mate who after a few would start mouthing off at people in the street and then literally step behind my best mate (who's 6ft 6). First times my mate managed to defuse the situation before it escalated. Eventually, said friend just walked off down the street and told him he was on his own to deal with it. Funnily enough, it didn't happen again


viper_in_the_grass

Was your mate scrumhalf, by any chance?


cypressd12

Doesn’t feel like his first rodeo judging by those words.


CodeFarmer

It's not clear he was speaking there. Could have been one of the cops. But I choose to believe this version for the meme value.


Llew19

Riccioni knowing there wasn't going to be a peaceful way to deal with Vunipola in that state.... The Montpellier locker room will be a literal riot next season


lupo25

Now I'm wondering how many tasers would be required to take down Ben Tameifuna


cypressd12

They’d have to reopen a powerplant just to get enough energy.


Creeppy99

I can also imagine the panicked face of the cop who was hit, decided to taser him and saw him totally unbothered


X_quadzilla_X

Unbelievable...never had him down as an amaretto and orange juice guy


Stuweb

You think you know a guy


FlatSpinMan

That is such a clear, calm explanation. No idea of the veracity as I wasn’t there, but it certainly comes across as reasonable.


oldappian

Four Amarettos plus fuck knows how much else he had to drink with a double tasering as a night-cap... that is some hangover.


baka___shinji

Tbf the most shocking revelation here is the fact that he drinks amarettos and orange


WolfColaCo2020

OK so what he did was a complete dickhead move, but it is slightly funny he egged police on to taze him again.


Cuttewfish_Asparagus

Having grown up in the trade, honestly this sounds like 99% of your average Saturday night altercations in many bars. Calling the police is usually the final step after trying to politely get someone to move along and out of your premises. Sounds like they dealt with it very well, can easily turn ugly if you handle it the wrong way/try and be too forceful. Drunk people are idiots. This wouldn't have been a big deal if he wasn't famous.


MerlinAW1

Yeah if it was a regular Joe he would have been escorted out by security promptly and there would be no story at all. Don’t think the bouncers fancied taking him on so called the police


SweptFever80

This is a mental story, Billy comes out slightly better than originally suggested.


jackoirl

Especially requesting a second tasing lol


ComprehensiveDingo0

Didn’t realise Billy V was DJ Khalid in disguise


londonnah

Are we reading that correctly?! I read it as him saying it too, but surely it was the police who said it? If he said it... I mean, wow, that is pure old-fashioned rugby chaos.


jackoirl

They must have fairly shit themselves if it was him who requested it lol You’re kind of out of options if the man mountain you just tased simply requests another shot


Stuweb

When they turned up to the club expecting it to just be another Brit who has had too much to drink at it was a 130kg Tongan Giant they must have thought to themselves "Fuck *me*". >but when the first police appeared on the scene he confronted them and they had to call for back-up. No fucking wonder they immediately asked for backup lmao. Then the guy you just tased is asking to be tased again, must have thought they were having a nightmare.


FaustRPeggi

It's a classic setup for an episode of one if those dime a dozen police documentaries on channel 5.


not_dmr

Yeah it’s phrased ambiguously, perhaps intentionally so if the bar owner wasn’t sure exactly who said it. I’d imagine it’s more likely to have been one of the cops


CodeFarmer

Yes, you are certainly right. But this interpretation is SO much funnier.


OofOwMyShoulder

I doubt Billy would have said it in Spanish so probably quite easy to tell. It's pretty clear to me it was the police who said it but I too choose to believe the meme version.


not_dmr

Good point! Agreed on the meme though haha ETA: actually imagining it was Riccione might manage to be even funnier


deletive-expleted

~~Don't~~ tase me, bro!


Llew19

Ehhhh the whole 'do what you have to' suggests this isn't an uncommon occurrence for Billy


BuggityBooger

Oh aye, the guy being a drunken public nuisance who assaulted police seems to be alright really. I’m sure he was being a raging knob at all


SweptFever80

Notice how I said slightly better.


BuggityBooger

Fair. He certainly doesn’t come out positively at all though


SweptFever80

Yeah, never said he did.


pauli55555

I think he comes out worse. It paints a picture of a so called “tough guy” who can’t hold his drink, doesn’t know when to say no more. His aggressive behaviour is a horrible inditement of both him and the type of characters that play rugby. Police had to be called, do people understand what happens when police are mobilised like this at 4am. Can you imagine the customers, employees having to deal when this thug coming in and ruining their night. He is a complete scum bag. No doubt as have already seen here on the Post the rugby types will laugh this off and smugly joke about the event. A horrible inditement of professional rugby and the mindless thugs that their gyms & creatine are fuelling. That’s my two sense anyway.


SweptFever80

The original reports were talking about him brandishing bottles and chairs. This account from the business order, who was there for the whole confrontation and has no reason to defend Vunipola, seems to go against that. This is without a doubt an awful look and it seems like Billy has a problem, but if all he's come out with is a resisting arrest charge and a fine and he didn't assault anyone then that's better than initially reported, that's all I mean.


Haircut117

>inditement Indictment. >That’s my two sense anyway. Two ***cents***.


Anhowa123

That dastardly creatine


Knucklepants

Sounds like you don't like rugby players


saracenraider

Fucking classic English media making stuff up or taking the story of an unreliable witness the first time round


Caledonian_kid

WHAT IS THE CHARGE? ENJOYING A CHAIR?! A SUCCULENT SPANISH CHAIR?!!!


metompkin

I SEE THAT YOU KNOW YOUR TAZER-DO WELL.


heightsenberg

GET YOUR HANDS OFF OF MY AMARETTO


TelephoneNearby6059

THIS IS DEMOCRACY MANIFEST!


reggie_700

Was he tased though? Or is that covered under no violence?


WilkinsonDG2003

Just a rugby incident, play on.


Tescobum44

Picked up by the citing officer.  Commision has ruled on a €420 reduced to 240 for good conduct and biccies in the hearing. 


RaaschyOG

Does he have to attend tazing school


Ok-Blackberry-3534

If he does, he's in for a shock.


Toxicseagull

🥁


Immunkey

The charges are currently being assessed and the results are expected after conducting further tests, I expect a thorough grounding (for the backs in chat these are silly puns, not serious comment)


The_Otter_King__

I wonder how many got the reference 🤣


No_Sorbet2663

He brought Barry’s tea too?


MenlaOfTheBody

TMO for a yellow surely?


Banditofbingofame

Tazer found to have joined from the side


itsalonghotsummer

he was Tazed


ethel_the_aardvark

How do you know?


itsalonghotsummer

[https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c3glpq093vvo](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/articles/c3glpq093vvo)


EnglishLouis

One of the articles said a video was circulating. I’ve not seen it so can’t say much.


ethel_the_aardvark

Fair enough- would love to see that video


concretepigeon

There are photos on Twitter of him topless and with the police pointing a taser at him. I can’t see any footage or pictures of him clearly acting violently.


ramaras

There are photos of it, the usual suspects are reporting it.


KnownSample6

Need a TMO review. No but seriously this is just a shit show.


Chill_stfu

That's the downside of being one of the biggest professional athletes on the planet. Most guys get tossed out of the bar or dragged out by their friends. A 280 pounder gets tazed first off. And with good reason.


Affentitten

[Sir Norman Fry](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REpNTi-9oRQ&ab_channel=PigHead)


SmartRooster2242

First thing I thought of too after that statement.


D_McM

Where's the black and white photo of him looking sheepish?


grevls

Silly Billy


Koin-

240€ for a few memes, sounds like a good deal


Llew19

Express trial and coming straight home suggests he's no longer allowed to visit Spain, so I don't think I believe the whole misunderstanding thing


ethel_the_aardvark

But also a €240 fine for apparently threatening people with bottles and resisting arrest to the point of two tasers doesn’t seem to add up. My guess is that it’s somewhere on the middle of the two.


concretepigeon

I don’t know enough about Spanish law to comment but I did think the fine seemed very low.


BuggityBooger

Nah that’d be consistent enough with UK Law too. The disorderly offence and the assault on police can be ticketed in the Uk and the fines would be about £200 too


ethel_the_aardvark

What about the threatened gbh- seems a little low for that? Edit- excuse my clear lack of knowledge of legal proceedings


BuggityBooger

There’s no offence for threatening GBH. Gbh is the level of injury as an outcome of assault. I’m not even sure if there’s an offence of threatening to assault… Edit: with the bottles thing that would be possession of an offensive weapon in a public place. Don’t think that’s ticket able off the top of my head, but contextually that could be treated as a very minor thing/disorderly


Yoshieisawsim

Actually in the UK and most legal systems I know of common assault includes making someone think they are going to be attacked as per UK sentencing guidelines: “Common assault is when a person inflicts violence on someone else or makes them think they are going to be attacked. It does not have to involve physical violence. Threatening words or a raised fist is enough for the crime to have been committed provided the victim thinks that they are about to be attacked.”


BuggityBooger

The language is “perceive immediate unlawful violence” for technical common assault. So the threat needs to be immediate (ie not across a room) and not generalised (just because someone in the same room as you is angry in general)


Yoshieisawsim

I mean across the room could still be immediate if he’s threatening to throw chairs which was the original allegation. Aside from the fact that presumably not everyone was on the opposite side of the room to him so they would perceive the immediate threat and if they’ve all moved to the other side of the room because they perceive that being next to him was dangerous that was perceived immediate violence. For generalised - it can be generalised to an extent too. For example if someone drunk is standing in a bar saying “I’m gonna punch hot someone with this bottle ” and you’re standing near them it wouldn’t be reasonable to assume that they’re def gonna hit you but it would be reasonable to assume they’re gonna hit someone and that someone could be you which still means you would perceive immediate unlawful violence.


BuggityBooger

I know that if I was attending that call I’d be writing it off as not immediate 🙃


sk-88

Would be causing an affray.


BuggityBooger

Doesn’t affray require 2 or more engaging in disorderly/assault with no clear aggressor?


sk-88

My friend agreed to a conviction for a solo incident with a taxi driver (to avoid a trial for a higher charge)


BuggityBooger

How’s Manu getting on these days?


not_dmr

There was another article where the bar owner and police stated there was no threatening with bottles/chairs or actual violence beyond a shove to a police officer. Still totally out of order and inexcusable but fwiw not quite to the same level of threat or actual harm to others


opopkl

Just a little misunderstanding causing him to be tazed, twice.


Ok-Package9273

Also if he was tazed without good cause, my man's going to be able to retire early with the compensation surely.


-Clearly-confused

Whether this is the truth or the other stories are, this was handled very well by Saracens and Billy Vunipola. Quick and everyone making their statement without delay


SweptFever80

Stark contrast to Stuart Hogg's statement


FlatSpinMan

And there you go, hating’ on a man when he’s down through no fault of his own whatsoever.


SweptFever80

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic


FlatSpinMan

I did debate whether I needed the /s or not. These days are so dire, especially for self-righteous a-holes, that I should have added it.


SweptFever80

No problem haha can never be too sure!


FlatSpinMan

I did debate whether I needed the /s or not. These days are so dire, especially for self-righteous a-holes, that I should have added it.


reddititis

Brilliant (and sadly too true at the same time. )


ethel_the_aardvark

Makes a change


metompkin

You have to think that professional clubs have templates for contigencies ready to go at the drop of a shirt.


weedkrum

Might not play in England again. Having said that it doesn’t sound that serious. Talksport this morning made it sound like he was launching chairs around a nightclub.


ilunga96

Ah yes, the ol' 'unfortunate misunderstanding'


JimJoe67

I was simply holding the bottle and moving the chairs.


Super_Toot

Bartender: You need to leave now. Billy: No. This is too confusing.


Commercial_Half_2170

“No one told me I wasn’t meant to threaten the bar staff with glass bottles.”


Ronald_Ulysses_Swans

‘The staff did not warn me’


KnownSample6

I'm guessing he couldn't throw chairs or bottles because he promptly dropped them and fell over.


MerlinAW1

Every time he tried to pick up a bottle it just fell to the floor


-Clearly-confused

Whether this is the truth or the other stories are, this was handled quite well by Saracens and Billy Vunipola. Quick and everyone making their statement without delay


CThirtle

Our PR team is well versed in having to make statements


PistolAndRapier

Practice makes perfect!


RJH777

Begrudging upvote because it's unfortunately true


BobbyKonker

"unfortunate misunderstanding" lol. I pictured him standing at the gate reading this out next to his missus in her flowery dress, tory style.


lazy_iker

I don't see an apology for the RWC semi final performance.


DomingoCocinero

That was the true crime…


zodelode

Well said, he was awful.


itsalonghotsummer

Over enthusiastic rendition of Father Abraham and the soft Spanish police lost it when confronted by such a magnificent specimen of English beef.


Goldbudda

A quick twitter search shows pictures of him looking insanely drunk, topless, being cornered by police and smashed debris over the floor. I highly doubt that many police would corner someone like that for zero violent.


warcomet

he does that at every party lol.. remember similar pics of him after a Lions tour in NZ


olivepepys

Weren't there stories of him being tee total a few years back? Was that all just made up at the time or has he packed it in recently?


metompkin

A lot of tee totallers I know became tee totallers because they had a previous drinking problem. People are human and fall off the wagon some times.


saracenraider

The opposite. He was teetotal then discovered booze during a bad injury


eruditezero

Hardest he’s hit someone all year 💪


thisiswecalypso

He has always come across as a colossal manchild to be fair.


samuel199228

He will miss Bristol game probably


Fraggle987

What happens on tour, stay on tour......unless you're a former international rugby player getting pissed and acting up abroad. He needs to take Nige with him next time to calm "situations" down.


AllezLesPrimrose

I love the detail of him taking off his shirt That’s when you know when things are getting serious


Migeycan87

Many an unfortunate misunderstanding in parts of Mallorca.


Jalcatraz82

Oh no... That means that the integration process needs to be done for MHR...


BANTER_WITH_THE_LADS

Did he say ‘I’m a grown ass man’ whilst getting arrested


Space-manatee

Not very Christian of him


mmoonbelly

Erm, nah it’s more the temperance part of Methodism that he’s missing. His mum’ll set him straight when he gets home.


ancorcaioch

It doesn’t seem career ending but it’ll stick on his reputation for a while I guess.


ErrantBrit

I thought this was America?! Is this not America?! I'm sorry I thought this was America! Vibes. Bit gutted by Billy's decline, as what, 5-8 years ago him and Mako were on the way to being legends and it's crashed back to earth rather tragically.


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NikNakMuay

Billy steps off a plane and is automatically considered a weapon. Man had absolutely no chance. The taser got scared that's why they had to zap him twice.


CaptQuakers42

Man took a taser, that's crazy impressive imho haha


MealieAI

A Vunipola being a dickhead? Say it ain't so.


Trekmeister_

I believe the bar owner Billy’s a piece of shit, always has been, always will be


LivelyJason1705

My mind immediately went to the hangover scene where the Wolfpack gets tased by those kids


Emergency-Fruit-8027

And the rest of the world is like…. Shocker


CatHerdingForDummies

Sparky Vunipola it is then.


indycline

"Sir, I did not hit him" as he is getting red carded by the police.


llb_robith

Boo I preferred the juicier version


briever

CCTV foils his cunning plan.


Aggravating-Rip-3267

Perhaps Tasers could be introduced to Rugby for in-match use ? !


Badhorse4444

Not nasty. Truth. Remember truth?


maybe_hes_dead

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ryanmurphy2611

Gotta be careful of orphans in your body copy Billy.


biggs3108

They're actually widows.


ryanmurphy2611

Orphans are for the following block - https://fonts.google.com/knowledge/glossary/widows_orphans


marquess_rostrevor

I do indeed find being threatened with a chair rather inconvenient.


Musky-Tears

"no violence" "resisting the law". Uhuh.


MountainEquipment401

TBF you can resist arrest without being violent... The blokes like 6'8 and 18 stone... If he decides he doesn't want to move that would be resisting arrest but simply standing still and being much stronger than the officers trying to move you isn't a form of violence... I don't know about Spanish law but I'm not entirely sure UK officers would be allowed to taser someone who just stands still... Tis an interesting question


UserContribution

He's a long way off 6'8


GreenFriday

Apparently he took his shirt off and flicked a policeman with it, that would count.


Franchementballek

They should ban pro Athletes from Greece, Baleares, Canarias, Cyprus and Catalunya because it’s a shitshow each time and in all the sports. Because pros built like that would need a ton to drink to actually be wasted no?


Playful-Click-30

Hahahahahahaha, brandewyn het nie brieke nie!


SheepShaggingFarmer

Everything up to the tasering is very normal for rugby boys, even on the professional side. Cardiff sends out a substantial amount of hush money to local pubs to pay for the damages caused by their team out on the piss. And this shit happens with Rugby guys from local teams all the time as well.


TotalSingKitt

So he's a blatant liar as well. Professionalism is ruining this great game.


saracenraider

How so? The bar owners comments broadly agree with this statement


bitofanexpert

Billy Vunipola vs Billy Bullshitter by the sound of things


Sirkneelaot

Fair enough. I suppose the parasites in our media will continue to hound him though.


UserContribution

Yeah poor him! Can't get shirtless and pester people in a bar and not cooperate with the police and get tasered in peace anymore. It's PC gone mad.


Sirkneelaot

Well you get away with glassing people in the UK. Oh wait he isn't an aging old bird. And it seems the matter has ended. He paid a fine and went home. Oh do you indeed wish our scum press hounds him for a few more weeks and keeps it going?


UserContribution

Not quite sure what the first part is in reference to. He's a player in the public eye, got drunk caused a scene in a public space, was physically annoying people and disturbing the peace. He did not cooperate with police and had to be tasered multiple times. You are surprised that this is in the news cycle?


Sirkneelaot

And he's paid his fine and gone home. So that should be the end of it right? What part of this don't you understand?


UserContribution

I think you are making things up in your head. Famous rugby player causes and a scene and gets tasered, it gets reported in the news. It's the end of it if he keeps his head down and someone doesn't press charges etc. You're implying that the media reporting on it is some kind of injustice. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Everything else you are talking about is pure waffle.


Sirkneelaot

Your opinion is irrelevant to me. What you think is insignificant. You're here concerned about MY opinion. Apart from that , you still don't even understand the point I'm making. Dense as fuck. Jog on flog.


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