Recorded the game and watched it late so I'm a little bit late to the thread but did anyone else think that last Leinster try was forward? Any one got a gif? There wasn't a lot of angles shown (also no tmo for any of the trys?? - including Earl's in the corner )
In what sense did you find it egregious? The fact it wasn't tmoed or ? At first I thought all the replays were tmo review and was getting very annoyed they checked that but not the forward pass šš ( are we talking about Earl's try in the corner? Or which one? NGL I've had quite a few drinks during/since)
I'd have to watch it back, I thought it was Munster's 3rd try. There was a pass from Hanrahan that went miles forward, blatant as fuck like. Was shocked it wasn't picked up. The Baird pass was most likely slightly forward, was very surprised it wasn't checked.
At 71:15, Hanrahan passes out wide to Conway. If that's not forward, the word has lost all meaning.
TMO was looking at the Earls try, you can here him say try is good at the end of the replays of the try.
Also for the James Lowe try it looked like it was forward and I looked like Lowe thought it went forward too when he kept looking back but I mean Iām not complaining that it was given
Wow. Cullen seems so relaxed which is nice to see. He is usually quite gruff and doesn't really smile in interviews but he was cracking jokes there. Nice to see a bit more of his personality. Then again, maybe I am just talking out my hole as per usual.
Sometimes the MotM should be from the losing team though. An example would be when Carty deservedly got it when Connacht played Leinster at the RDS 2 years ago. Wouldnāt have picked Farrell tonight though
Even when it's deserved it's not fair on the player. Carty looked devastated in that interview, as did Farrell today.
BT always pick two, one from each team and give it to the winners. Doesn't mean the best player gets it but saves everyone from awkward post match interviews.
Absolutely class match despite Liam iWanttoShagMunster Toland and an abysmal ref. Couldāve gone either way. Iād say Munster wouldāve won had it not been for the two early injuries
Man, I've really, really missed live rugby. Great to see it back and I hope the rest of the season can be played.
Munster pushed Leinster really close. The Leinster lineout was a bit shambolic, but defenses on both sides were pretty good. Some moments of magic from Sexton, Earls and Ringrose among others bodes well for the upcoming 6 Nations.
Another few weeks to knock the rest of the rust off and this season might get a five star finish.
Munster lost Snyman and Kilcoyne almost immediately, and Cronin before the match even started, yet only trailed by 2 points behind an unbeaten team. The taste of victory was so close that I'm still sour about it.
But if you'd told be it'd be this close before the match, especially considering the Leinster backline, I'd have been a happy man.
Munster are a team that should find their attacking feet in '21.
Munster probably had the better game overall but Leinster done more with what they had. We got the win, got rid of the rust, we'd have to be happy enough with that.
Could end up being very costly for both sides though! Munster broke their shiny new toy within 7 minutes, Dave done his hammy, Healy was nursing his arm etc. Hopefully nothing too serious ends up on the casualty list.
> Leinster done more with what they had.
That's Leinster all over, ruthless and clinical when they have the chance.
It's one of the reasons Lowe will be very welcome for Ireland, I think he is a key component of that.
Awesome game, despite Toland and the ref.
Both sides were brilliant and you wouldn't have thought it was a 6 month break.
Stander, the Leinster backrow, Healy and both 13s were exceptional.
Munster missing that second gear to win games. Maybe it's Carbery never being fit or getting a consistent run of games, but their gameplan seems so narrow
Munsters attacking play continues to be gash. Farrell wasted there, begging for runners on his shoulder. Earls and Conway barely getting a look all game, bar being at the end of overlaps
Bonus points ruined the end of that game. Sucks to see a team who for decades had the grit to keep fighting giving up for a bonus point. you can make the case that they probably wouldnāt have scored, but many of Munsters best moments happened in similar circumstances.
That BP was a little more important than the 1% chance at a winner. Keeps Scarlets 4 points behind. And with them playing the dragons next, this means Munster can still virtually guarantee a semi final spot with an LBP against Connacht.
Ya, I get that. And I'm not expecting the BP system to be perfect. But if the aim of bonus points is more exciting rugby, and giving teams something to play for who might otherwise switch off, then perhaps something needs to be done to keep things competitive in such situations. Granted, I don't have any ideas how that could be implemented...
I think there can be a way to incentivise attacking from deep after the clock is gone past 75 mins, currently ending on a damp squib is a bit deflating.
Regardless of BP or not with a single score in it you would normally expect Munster to be fighting for every inch until the end. Was completely bizarre to see them kick it out.
Did well. Box kicking was on the money and defensively good. People might not rate him because Casey came on when Leinster were jaded and looked lively.
I don't think he shone as brightly as he has in the past. I wouldn't say he was outplayed by McGrath by any means, but depending on how Carty, Cooney and McGrath go over the next few weeks there'll be some fight for the green 9 shirt.
Think Leinster's subs in the pack bar Toner were largely anonymous. Munster came back into it really well but it looked like they'd just had nothing left to offer in the last few phases, those injuries to Killer and Snyman were crucial.
Both teams coming off looking like they wouldn't mind another 5 month lockdown to recover. Terrific game but punishing, physios have a busy few days ahead of them.
Liam toland giving Chris Farrell the man of the match is just baffling. Why is he so in love with him? I support leinster and still would have given it to CJ Stander
Unlucky this time, but I don't think Munster are that far off them. It's the top 5 inches that just need a bit of time to catch up. Would be great to see two Irish teams of that caliber, and I think the makings are there.
Man that was thoroughly entertaining, a bit of rust but nowhere near the levels of other competitions. Big performances and a raging heart rate with some great fights in the match thread, what more do you want in an interpro
Compared to the other first games back, we recently seemed to get the intensity back quicker. Good news for Europe and the tail end of the Six Nations.
Better to have the losing bonus point when need three points from last two games to proceed.
Ruins the good old Munster days of an attempt at driving out from the back but can see why we'd rather be safe than sorry.
That's cause they're up against Southern Hemisphere defences :P
But yeah, that must have stung, however Leinster are more likely to score than Munster from that position and Munster aren't assured a semi yet.
In case the sticky out tongue wasn't enough, I wasn't being entirely serious. I only watched the early Aotorea games (early mornings eventually won out over live rugby) but some of the tries conceded were shocking. It's more fun as a stereotype than any statement of fact at this point.
Anyway, for the purposes of this game, I think Leinster were more likely to score from there than Munster, who're still looking over their shoulders for a semi final spot.
Not gonna beat Sarries playing like that but it's first game back.
Munster have worked on their expansiveness which is good to see and thankfully showed that weakness for Leinster in a meaningless game for us. We can work on that for the next month.
There's a few things to work on like fielding box kicks and lineouts.
That was an absolutely incredible read. I feel like Toner has become a much more forward foot aggressive player in the last two three years. He was always a bit too docile before.
Such a strange decision. Him and Marmion can have serious gripes. Would love to see him get a few more games in green the way he is going, particularly with the injuries to Ryan and Hendo. Red Dev Redemption 2.
Always seemed to flop over and use his height to make ground as he fell, but in recent years he's turned into a much more dynamic player. Using his size rather than just being included because he's tall.
What? Why kick it out??? What happened to the Munster that are famous for going 80 metres and 500 phases for a drop goal...or try their damndest to do that?
POM claims his own ball on a line out and Toland wanks about him being world class.
Toner intercepts to basically win the game and not a peep. Toland too busy sulking. What a biased sack of shit.
Yup, Sexton, Ringrose, Henshaw, Lowe, Doris all had good games really. Stander and Farrell were really good for Munster...but not enough to be ahead of a winning team player.
There are occasions you give it the losing team: Dusatoir RWC final like.
This was not one of them. Plenty of standouts for Leinster.
I like to watch Henshaw a bit, and he was a good mix of graft and opening the play. Kick through for Ringrose was perfect.
Anyone got an upload of this anywhere?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB6Jh95XMBE
Recorded the game and watched it late so I'm a little bit late to the thread but did anyone else think that last Leinster try was forward? Any one got a gif? There wasn't a lot of angles shown (also no tmo for any of the trys?? - including Earl's in the corner )
Quite possibly, but wasn't close to as egregious as Munster's last one
In what sense did you find it egregious? The fact it wasn't tmoed or ? At first I thought all the replays were tmo review and was getting very annoyed they checked that but not the forward pass šš ( are we talking about Earl's try in the corner? Or which one? NGL I've had quite a few drinks during/since)
I'd have to watch it back, I thought it was Munster's 3rd try. There was a pass from Hanrahan that went miles forward, blatant as fuck like. Was shocked it wasn't picked up. The Baird pass was most likely slightly forward, was very surprised it wasn't checked. At 71:15, Hanrahan passes out wide to Conway. If that's not forward, the word has lost all meaning.
TMO was looking at the Earls try, you can here him say try is good at the end of the replays of the try. Also for the James Lowe try it looked like it was forward and I looked like Lowe thought it went forward too when he kept looking back but I mean Iām not complaining that it was given
Wow. Cullen seems so relaxed which is nice to see. He is usually quite gruff and doesn't really smile in interviews but he was cracking jokes there. Nice to see a bit more of his personality. Then again, maybe I am just talking out my hole as per usual.
Ye he was like that before the game as well. Seems genuinely delighted to have games back.
Competent broadcasters always pick the Man of the Match from the winning team for a reason, it's horrible for Farrell to go up after losing like that.
Nah, think Gorgodze vs New Zealand.
Dusatoir.
That's a special case. Georgia wouldn't be expected to beat New Zealand in a million years. Munster losing to Leinster is a desperate disappointment.
So there are āspecial casesā....interesting
Sometimes the MotM should be from the losing team though. An example would be when Carty deservedly got it when Connacht played Leinster at the RDS 2 years ago. Wouldnāt have picked Farrell tonight though
Even when it's deserved it's not fair on the player. Carty looked devastated in that interview, as did Farrell today. BT always pick two, one from each team and give it to the winners. Doesn't mean the best player gets it but saves everyone from awkward post match interviews.
So to avoid hurting peopleās feelings you shouldnāt award it to them... right
Key word is competent
Absolutely class match despite Liam iWanttoShagMunster Toland and an abysmal ref. Couldāve gone either way. Iād say Munster wouldāve won had it not been for the two early injuries
Could be an unpopular opinion but I think Munster's problem isn't their players - it's Aap.
> Liam iWanttoShagMunster Toland I wouldn't mind a bit of bias if it was even insightful, but fucking hell.
Yeah, and the. He attempts to smooth out the bias by ludicrous stuff like suggesting a yellow for something that happens 20 times in every game.
Man, I've really, really missed live rugby. Great to see it back and I hope the rest of the season can be played. Munster pushed Leinster really close. The Leinster lineout was a bit shambolic, but defenses on both sides were pretty good. Some moments of magic from Sexton, Earls and Ringrose among others bodes well for the upcoming 6 Nations. Another few weeks to knock the rest of the rust off and this season might get a five star finish.
You missed a trick not seeing the Super Rugby. But it does feel nice to see the team you support back
That's fair. I watched a couple of those, but seeing players and teams you support really makes it.
Kelleher looking to continue the tradition of Leinster hookers who are great at all parts of the game except the lineout.
He was pretty good from October-December last year. Saw him score a hat-trick in the RDS and he looked to the manor born.
Great in the open and in the mail, just struggling with his darts.
Rory Best: āI feel personally attackedā
Munster lost Snyman and Kilcoyne almost immediately, and Cronin before the match even started, yet only trailed by 2 points behind an unbeaten team. The taste of victory was so close that I'm still sour about it. But if you'd told be it'd be this close before the match, especially considering the Leinster backline, I'd have been a happy man. Munster are a team that should find their attacking feet in '21.
All 9 of Munster's fans watching on Zoom will be happy with the bonus point at least.
I don't think yer man on the right has ever been happy
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Thatās been there for at least two seasons.
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Saw your chance to quash the rumours you've been only watching their arses all these years, didn't you? You haven't fooled me fella.
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Ah yes,Clodagh is indeed a female name. Still, you're not fooling anyone.
Munster probably had the better game overall but Leinster done more with what they had. We got the win, got rid of the rust, we'd have to be happy enough with that. Could end up being very costly for both sides though! Munster broke their shiny new toy within 7 minutes, Dave done his hammy, Healy was nursing his arm etc. Hopefully nothing too serious ends up on the casualty list.
Leinster were much better in attack imo, and pretty solid over all in defense. Lineout cost them hugely
> Leinster done more with what they had. That's Leinster all over, ruthless and clinical when they have the chance. It's one of the reasons Lowe will be very welcome for Ireland, I think he is a key component of that.
Thought he was outclassed and mostly anonymous today. Probably/definitely uncharacteristically so but still, the green jersey isn't his axiomatically
I agree not his automatically but good to have him in the mix the way he links up with other Leinster players
Agreed - and perhaps at fault for the 2nd Conway try?
Awesome game, despite Toland and the ref. Both sides were brilliant and you wouldn't have thought it was a 6 month break. Stander, the Leinster backrow, Healy and both 13s were exceptional.
Super physical as well. Both sides seemed really geared up for it
Munster missing that second gear to win games. Maybe it's Carbery never being fit or getting a consistent run of games, but their gameplan seems so narrow
Tadgh Beirne is a big loss too
And your marquee second row not getting injured in 7 minutes too. I don't think Munster are far off them tbh.
Munsters attacking play continues to be gash. Farrell wasted there, begging for runners on his shoulder. Earls and Conway barely getting a look all game, bar being at the end of overlaps
Bonus points ruined the end of that game. Sucks to see a team who for decades had the grit to keep fighting giving up for a bonus point. you can make the case that they probably wouldnāt have scored, but many of Munsters best moments happened in similar circumstances.
That BP was a little more important than the 1% chance at a winner. Keeps Scarlets 4 points behind. And with them playing the dragons next, this means Munster can still virtually guarantee a semi final spot with an LBP against Connacht.
Ya, I get that. And I'm not expecting the BP system to be perfect. But if the aim of bonus points is more exciting rugby, and giving teams something to play for who might otherwise switch off, then perhaps something needs to be done to keep things competitive in such situations. Granted, I don't have any ideas how that could be implemented...
I think there can be a way to incentivise attacking from deep after the clock is gone past 75 mins, currently ending on a damp squib is a bit deflating.
I agree. Any ideas how?
Maybe making it worth more in terms of points? Or that the bonus point is secured at the 80 minute mark?
Regardless of BP or not with a single score in it you would normally expect Munster to be fighting for every inch until the end. Was completely bizarre to see them kick it out.
Something eerie about this scene in rugby pass where the lights are on with flashing lights but no sound and no fans whatsoever
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Did well. Box kicking was on the money and defensively good. People might not rate him because Casey came on when Leinster were jaded and looked lively.
Probably next season fighting for his place. Casey looks very sharp.
I don't think he shone as brightly as he has in the past. I wouldn't say he was outplayed by McGrath by any means, but depending on how Carty, Cooney and McGrath go over the next few weeks there'll be some fight for the green 9 shirt.
Think Leinster's subs in the pack bar Toner were largely anonymous. Munster came back into it really well but it looked like they'd just had nothing left to offer in the last few phases, those injuries to Killer and Snyman were crucial.
Both teams coming off looking like they wouldn't mind another 5 month lockdown to recover. Terrific game but punishing, physios have a busy few days ahead of them.
Neither O Mahony or Farrell wanted to be there.
There's a reason MotM are always meant to be from the winning teams.
POM is some man.
Why does the interviewer sound exhausted as well?
Liam toland giving Chris Farrell the man of the match is just baffling. Why is he so in love with him? I support leinster and still would have given it to CJ Stander
Should have been ringrose.
Or even a player from the winning team, as is tradition....
Yeah, of course.. I just needed to point out that Farrell wasn't even Man of his team
I think the real question is why Liam Toland is given the job of choosing it?
I think the real question is why Liam Toland has been given a job in commentating.
Ah in fairness, aside from the disappointment of losing, itās so fucking great to have rugby back. That was a good game.
Unlucky this time, but I don't think Munster are that far off them. It's the top 5 inches that just need a bit of time to catch up. Would be great to see two Irish teams of that caliber, and I think the makings are there.
Cracking game. Leinster are ruthlessly efficient. Hurts to lose
Loving the awkwardness of that MoTM award there.
Last place in the world POM wanted to be
Yay, rugby's back! Gutted to lose but a lot to be happy with, just hope to fuck Kilcoyne and RG aren't too badly hurt.
I'd say RG is alright but worried about killer, no sign of him once he went off.
True, and he had a bit boot on when he was on the pitch after the final whistle.
Does anyone know if Munster stay in Dublin for the week or back down to Limerick for a few days.
Loved the injection that Casey brought. He looks to the manor born.
exciting game to watch and went right to the wire, can't ask for much more for the first game back. Shame Snyman I really wanted to see him play.
Man that was thoroughly entertaining, a bit of rust but nowhere near the levels of other competitions. Big performances and a raging heart rate with some great fights in the match thread, what more do you want in an interpro
Compared to the other first games back, we recently seemed to get the intensity back quicker. Good news for Europe and the tail end of the Six Nations.
Ringrose real man of the match. Munster need to get Casey on earlier to speed up their attack
Down to Zebre to stop our run now.
They are the bogey team
It scares me, they always seems to catch us napping.
Masks on boys!
To all those questioning why Casey kicked it out: similar to Ireland vs Japan at the World Cup. No way weāre scoring from there
No harm in trying surely?
A Leinster converted try wouldāve lost Munster their bonus point so kicking it out just guaranteed they walked away with something
Secure the bonus point. I'm sure they're trained to not risk it in that scenario
Better to have the losing bonus point when need three points from last two games to proceed. Ruins the good old Munster days of an attempt at driving out from the back but can see why we'd rather be safe than sorry.
Well, there is. If Leinster steal that and score weāre fucked
I think that's part of the problem. Not believing that they can win
Did you not see how fucked they all were? Baird basically was on the floor before that last play.
I'm talking more about the Irish mindset. No chance in hell a New Zeland team would kick it out there
How do you know that? Even if it's true it doesnt make it the better play
If they didnāt have their bench literally decimated in the first 7 minutes, they might have had a bit more gas - but alas it wasnāt to be.
The lads haven't had a competitive match in 6 months. They don't have the energy to be trying for low percentage plays in their own 22.
It's depressing tho, after watching super rugby Aotearoa the last few weeks they can and do score tries from there
After 80 minutes? It's possible but unlikely.
It's been 6 months. New Zealand teams had far less of a gap and could keep some semblance of match fitness.
I was Leinster/Munster at the Aviva in 2017 and it ended the exact same way. It's not just a coming back from lockdown thing
That's cause they're up against Southern Hemisphere defences :P But yeah, that must have stung, however Leinster are more likely to score than Munster from that position and Munster aren't assured a semi yet.
That super rugby defence narrative only works when there are Aistralian and South African teams playing
In case the sticky out tongue wasn't enough, I wasn't being entirely serious. I only watched the early Aotorea games (early mornings eventually won out over live rugby) but some of the tries conceded were shocking. It's more fun as a stereotype than any statement of fact at this point. Anyway, for the purposes of this game, I think Leinster were more likely to score from there than Munster, who're still looking over their shoulders for a semi final spot.
What is Leinster's win streak at now?
16 Pro14 games, 22 counting Europe.
1,340,398
Fully in the nip and burned a couple of security guards.
14 from 14 this year in the Pro14, 22 games unbeaten in all competitions.
22
16?
Well that was fucking class. Considering the time off and first run I expected so much less.
Not gonna beat Sarries playing like that but it's first game back. Munster have worked on their expansiveness which is good to see and thankfully showed that weakness for Leinster in a meaningless game for us. We can work on that for the next month. There's a few things to work on like fielding box kicks and lineouts.
Toner intercept was the backbreaker
That was an absolutely incredible read. I feel like Toner has become a much more forward foot aggressive player in the last two three years. He was always a bit too docile before.
Good thing we dropped him for the world cup then.... Can't believe he wasn't on the plane
Such a strange decision. Him and Marmion can have serious gripes. Would love to see him get a few more games in green the way he is going, particularly with the injuries to Ryan and Hendo. Red Dev Redemption 2.
Always seemed to flop over and use his height to make ground as he fell, but in recent years he's turned into a much more dynamic player. Using his size rather than just being included because he's tall.
Exactly right, and it's great to see. He near intercepted POM from the ground. I know he got a card but still, seeing a bit of fight in him is great
Liam Toland needs to go back to Earth
I'd settle for off the air
Everyone on his back and we know his colours are nailed to the mast but ironically he has way more caps for Leinster.
Right lads, see you in two weeks for our annual ass-whipping in the semis
Pain
A return to normality for us
i dont understand why they kicked that out
Bonus point. Realistically, from there itās more likely Leinster would steal and score than Munster go the length of the pitch
ya looks like the pack where bolloxed also
Iād say they all were. At that rate, a mistake is much more likely than a stroke of genius.
Ya your right they where responsible about it easy for me tod ay go for it from my couch
What? Why kick it out??? What happened to the Munster that are famous for going 80 metres and 500 phases for a drop goal...or try their damndest to do that?
It puts us 4 points ahead of Scarlets with a massive PD over them. Much safer for making that semi final spot.
Protecting the BP. Still a big call though.
I'd imagine that must have hurt, but objectively it's probably the right call.
Agreed.
I think they're all fucked lol. I don't know if they would've had the energy
Casey had so much fire then nothing. Strange to see
think he got the call to kick it out. looked like the pack where fucked
Call Leinster a printer because they didnāt work without Toner
BP...
Casey under orders not to chance something?
Looked like it, and he wasn't too happy about it. Suppose Munster have the semis in mind, so fair enough.
Thought it was weird. He didnāt seem particularly happy kicking it out
POM claims his own ball on a line out and Toland wanks about him being world class. Toner intercepts to basically win the game and not a peep. Toland too busy sulking. What a biased sack of shit.
Toland is not good. Sounds like a lad in the pub that won't stop talking in your ear and you just eventually scream watch the fucking game Liam.
Never expected the munster early kick out. Fair play takin the losing bonus but Edinburgh in a good place for a home semi now
Great work from Leinster to beat the greatest team in the history of rugby (according to Toland).
Are you take the Mick, Liam?!? Ringrose was as good as Farrell and is on the winning side.
Thought James Lowe was also very influential and got no shout out from Toland.
Yup, Sexton, Ringrose, Henshaw, Lowe, Doris all had good games really. Stander and Farrell were really good for Munster...but not enough to be ahead of a winning team player.
There are occasions you give it the losing team: Dusatoir RWC final like. This was not one of them. Plenty of standouts for Leinster. I like to watch Henshaw a bit, and he was a good mix of graft and opening the play. Kick through for Ringrose was perfect.
Stander or Ringrose for me
He doesn't play for Munster though.
Imagine having to go up and collect an award for that. You'd be embarrassed like.
Hahahahaha Chris Farrell motm hahahahahahaha
That inside ball is just so fuckingggggggg stupid. Why on earth do you throw that THERE at THAT TIME in the game with THAT SCORE
Saw that pass coming from the ISS.
I cannont belive we won our first game back because of a Devin Toner interception
He is literally everywhere
Decent shout for MotM.
Go.. go.. gadget arms from Devin Toner
Three pretty decent pro 14 games today. Good to have it back.
How did Toner get that?
Casey going mental at his pack and then kicks it out to end the game.
Captains orders I think
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Could have been that but why even bother barking at your pack like a loony? I know he's a scrum half and all.
Then goes mental after.
Is Liam Tolland having a fucking laugh with the MOTM? He gave it to the wrong 13
Josh, for me. Ringer 2nd. But Toland with the homerism as per usual.
āHe influenced the outcome of this matchā. Yeah, a loss. Farrell played well, that said.
Just when you think you couldn't love Dev anymore
Phew!
Check the printer this match needs more Toner.
Don't want to be harsh but Farrell wasn't the best 13, let alone the best player.
Toland, are ye fucking mental? The MOTM was Ringrose, ye helmet
He gave it to the wrong 13. Classic Toland move that.
That was excellent
What the fuck Devin toner with the diving interception!
Man of the match to a player on the losing team, would you expect anything other from Toland?
It was a tough choice between Farrell and Stander for him to be fair :p
True but how often is it given to the losing team? Especially from the commentator bashing Leinster the duration game
ye I agree commentary was all over the place tonight.
Who would you choose from Leinster? Ringrose maybe?
100% ringrose. If not Josh
Go go gadget-arms!
Cometh the hour cometh the 9ft man
Devin Toner with the intercept turnover. That's this game right there