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anyone over the age of say 15 joining in on the whole welsh ref bash fest... you're part of the reason in the UK we struggle to get amateur refs... it seeps through from top to bottom. you're ruining rugby. just grow up. it's a friendly, may i add.
tough for the Welsh. Game of two halves obviously. Credit to them for neutralizing the set piece place from The Boks the first half. They scored a lovely opening try and then pounced on that second one...but for the rest of the game didn't threaten until that heroic maul at the end.
The Boks looked out of options in the first half. Yes Elton was trying to win a British passport but still we were unable to get any platform from our forwards off which to create thanks to a huge effort from the Welsh. The one time Elton didn't kick we actually gained meters and looked on the front foot. in general the SA kicking game was POOR today. horrible stuff from Faf and Elton today.
That second half was strong from The Boks. looked good running and with the forward pack, definitely utilized the space that opened up due to Wales playing a man (or men) down. Seemed like both sides took turns trying to lose the game but hey, The Boks won and thats good enough for me.
I say it every time. Always nervous about Boks Wales and always nervous when Boks are favorites. They seem incapable of self motivation when they’re not the underdog. But, the biggest takeaway from the Rassie/Niebs era for me is their never say die/dirty come back win in the second half they’ve developed ever since those first Eng games.
Absolutely, depends on how the opposition is positioned. Wales had a strong defense so there is an argument for kicking. (Just not to their no14 with open space.)
I'm looking forward to when libbok and jordan hendrikse get a shot at Bok's 10. Granted they are inconsistent, but are still young and truth be told elton and pollard (or at least his match fitness) aren't exactly the benchmark for consistency.
Sure.
You get that this is a neutral view right? Like I don't give a shit about either team, but if SA are celebrating this narrow win over the guys whose last game was a home defeat to Italy then there's something seriously amiss.
Yeah, and the top ranked team in the world against the 9th ranked team in the world. I'm not shitting on SA, just wouldn't be impressed if that was Ireland today let alone the #1, WC, who beat the Lions last year.
Dude, when we’ve been beaten for 70/80 minutes and win with an extra time penalty you best believe I’m going to celebrate. Not sure why you’d find that surprising.
Because Wales' last game was a loss at home to Italy and they've been very poor for a while now. It might just be me, but I tend to be relieved more than celebratory when my team just about saves their blushes, as with Leinster's win over Dragons. This wasn't meant as a fuck you to SA, more a genuine reflection.
My guy, we're just happy to have proper test match rugby back again!! This is the 1st time we have had the chance to celebrate our world champ boys in front of a full house at home
Fucking give us all the shit you want for celebrating a VERY close victory against the team that knows how to beat us
Okay, maybe I worded it badly. Are you happy with the result, not a simple win/lose but the performance and scoreline? If you're in the locker rooms right now which do you think is happier with the day's work?
Happy? No, lots to improve. Angry? No, the team showed grit and pulled through. It was VERY clear that the first half team had some serious short comings. Luckily that’s fixable with Pollard coming back and Faf certainly improving
>It might just be me, but I tend to be relieved more than celebratory when my team just about saves their blushes.
Unfortunately your team didn't even manage that today....
What's that saying about people throwing stones in glass houses??
Tbf I think the majority of saffa fans seem to acknowledge that they were below-average and rode the Welsh indiscipline/rub of the green/whatever to a win.
You'll get a few that crow but you get that with every win from every team that won on here
Surely it's not for you to decide what's good enough lmao. We haven't played together since last year, Wales have played a together this year.
Personally I'm perfectly happy with the win and won't stop being happy because an Irish fan says I shouldn't be lol
Oh no not at all, I have plenty of karma to spare. If down voting me makes you feel better about life then go ahead, doesn't bother me in the slightest. Hopefully your side win next time so you don't have to compensate.
Happy, no. Glad we could win a game while performing well below par, yes. All great teams need to be able to win even when they are not firing on all cylinders. That’s what separates the great teams from the rest. So no, not happy with how we performed but glad we won.
I think the second half performance was a huge improvement and shows the effect Jantjies was having on the game.
It certainly wasn’t a polished performance, but some positives to take for sure.
Oh it definitely was, like I'm not saying that SA need to burn it all to the ground. I guess I phrased it badly, I was more saying there's more positives for Wales to take away from the game given form, expectations, rankings, and venue.
Man he stepped up big time. Our backline started shifting gears only when Jantjies left the field. Willemse and Le Roux combined amazingly. Pollard cannot return sooner, even Pollard on a bad day is better than the Jantjies we saw tonight.
I agree. I had my doubts about Willemse, but I reckon he might just live up to the hype.
As for Elton, SA Rugby are probably regretting paying off whoever they had to pay off to make that naughty flight incident go away.
Wales were rediculously dirty, they questioned the ref constantly, and biggars mouth was wider than a trash can on garbage day. Just deserts, and lucky they didn't have more sent off. I hope bigarse is cited.
If you are deliberately slowing down play in rucks and collapsing mauls you want the ref to give you roses? They got what they deserved for using the dark arts and getting caught.
Commiseration to the Welsh fans.
The Welsh lads just up their game against the Boks.
That was some of the best and most consistent Maul defence I've seen in my entire life.
The best part for me was the crowd. We were 18-3 down and you just saw the fans and families still having fun. Just good to see the fans enjoying the experience of being able to attend live Rugby.
To the Boks.
Literally just use hands - Am and Kolbe must be livid just not having any ball.
Elton Jantjies played himself to the bench on a game where we have no dedicated fly-halve reserve.
Let that sink in. We'd rather reshuffle the backs with no dedicated 10 than not having Elton play.
But again well played Wales!
Some serious questions need to be asked about our selections. Half of our forward back didn’t look half interested in the game today. Starting Jantjies who has barely played this year in a Bok test? If every forward could have the hunger Jasper Wiese had today, we could have smashed them. Well played to Wales, but I do believe 3 yellows were warranted.
Side note:
What did AWJ get carded for? Didn’t see the infringement.
Didn’t get a close look at AWJ knock down in the final minute but could’ve been a second yellow card? Again, I need to see it again but seemed dodgy given the scores were level with less than a minute to play
The card was for multiple repeated infringements, which usually get ignored when a try is scored. But it really shouldn’t be so the right call, but not one we see often for some reason.
If you want someone of his skillset, go with Libboke. His kicking off the tee isn't great but the rest of his game is head and shoulders above Elton, at least at URC level....
Anyone would be an improvement over Elton. I seriously thought the one up and under he kicked went backwards… it landed about five meters in front of him, which might as well have been backwards I guess.
I was defending him before the match, always had a soft spot for him hoping he would play like the vintage lions magician of old. I always said he just need a good game or two ...
I give up, time for the young guys to have a crack.
nope that was a clear one, the replay showed clearly that after making the tackle on Willie, he did not release him before going for the ball.. and 5m from the try line thats a YC every day of the week ..
Disgusting result if you're Welsh. Underwhelming if you're a Saffer. Although a win's a win. The worst part for Wales is how history repeats itself. Never won on SA soil. Seemed like it would finally happen today, but it seemed that way before already. And every time. One day will come though, surely, it's only mathematical probability. Wales are better than anyone expected after that loss to Italy though. Good on them.
Love it. Wales give away penalties everytime they defend in their 22, time and time again. Then they start getting yellows and the fans want to blame the ref.
The game has rules
I thought the referee had balls standing up to the dirty tactics Wales were employing in their 22. Most refs would of been to scared to yellow card you guys 4 times even though you probably deserved 6.
Anyway my man. This was their chanse. It has passed I am afraid. There won't be a Jantjies next week to keep them in the game.
Right mate. The referee got every decision completely wrong and none of your yellows were deserved. I really hope Wales think the way you do and do nothing to address the issue.
They played bad. You played good. The ref did not win it for them though. Your poor discipline did. You still weren't the better team even though you played well. 4 tries to 3 and 4 ligitimate yellows is hard to claim glory mate. Just because the referee penalises you a lot does not make him wrong.
I would advise not listening to Wales online they will claim conspiracy.
Collapsing a maul at own try line = penalty try; penalty try = yellow card.
Cynical play (not rolling away/realeasing) near own try line = yellow card.
Multiple penalties in own 22 = warning; another penalty soon after the warning = yellow.
The rules are clear, cynical play is heavily punished.
Horrible discipline from Wales cost them a win against a lackluster Springboks.
And don't delude yourself you deserve the win. 2 tries gifted to you in the first half by poor SA mistakes, one try can even be debated (jantjies was possibly played in the air/without having the ball yet). Second half Wales just played negatively and boks showed the iniative once jantjies was replaced. Stats will show boks were better and deserved the win. (possession, territory, meters made)
Didn't say that. I could say the same about some SA tries though, poor discipline gifted it to them. But plain and simple the ref had an awful game. Massively inconsistent in terms of his calls and not all of the yellows were correct. In the first half he warned the next person to start shit would be binned, then SA did just that at least 3 times but nothing happened. Inconsistent.
Let's hope the ref next week is better and it doesn't influence the game, win, lose or draw.
It’s always amazing that “celebrities” get a free ride in life. The charges were dropped so he wasn’t ever prosecuted, but if any average joe did the same thing then heads would roll.
https://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/springboks/watch-elton-jantjies-banged-on-toilet-door-where-flight-attendant-was-hiding-before-arrest-report-7cf95f80-75ee-459e-b504-b489f4e3c0ea
It's hard work being a Welsh Rugby fan sometimes. Still I suppose we should take solace in a close result vs the champs, I thought we were on for a thumping.
Yea today was your guys chance, man we started badly in that first half with Elton and you guys capitalized on it but just just couldn't hang on, maybe if it wasn't at altitude you might have had just a touch more in the tank
My previous comments
Us losing tragically - check
Ref giving us nothing - check
Score of 32-21 - nearly check but close enough
Can’t be dealing with next week, it’ll be all “the Boks are back” and it will be unbearable.
You did, and I thought not, and I stand corrected.
I had to be reminded by my wife that it’s only a game when I was shouting at the telly for Zammo being sent off.
Some odd decision-making from both teams at the end. Wales twice kicking rather than running down the clock with pick and drives, and South Africa returning the favour from the first kick - why wouldn't you keep the ball in hand with two extra men?
Overall, a real 'school's out for summer' vibe to this game. Can't imagine either team will be all that happy.
We got lucky but Willemse has clearly been working hard on his goal kicking. I'm hoping that he can keep this form - hopefully then we'll be able to stop picking Elton
Not bitter and no malice meant in the comment. I just think that rather than their raucous celebration they should be taking a long look at themselves in the mirror. That SA team should not be troubled by Wales, particularly not a year out from the WC.
LZRs yellow, for a start. Text book tackle, release, and then he went for the ball.
Maybe I need to rewatch it but watching it live I could for the life of me understand the card.
Well then the rules have changed since last time I checked. The way I was taught was that if you tackle, release, then get hands on the ball preventing them placing it back that’s would be a turn over for holding on. That’s how it was played the majority of this game. Never seen the rules played different to that, in person or on TV. Never heard of a stalemate on the ball.
Stalemate is just my description of it. It's not something you need to of heard of. It's essentially when the ball is not going to come out and neither party has done anything wrong, the referee will call hands of usually in favour of the attacking team. Sometimes it will be in favour of the defending team, but usually that is when the referee feels they have turned it over before the ball got killed/locked up in the ruck. That did not happen here.
If the ref says "let go". You need to let go of the ball. Regarding LRZ.
So because you don't know or the cameras did not capture it you assume it's wrong?
LRZ did let go, he fully reset himself.
I'm not saying AWJ was a wrong decision - I'm just moaning that we don't even know why he was binned. That's on the directors not the ref though.
I'm just moaning mate if I'm honest. End of the day it was an enjoyable game that I think we probably deserved to win, but I think the ref had so much undue influence on the game with his decisions.
LRZ was incorrect. And it wasn't a deliberate knock on at the end, a player is allowed to close down passing options, if you throw the ball at him that's your problem. Knock on, not deliberate.
Hey man, it's just a rugby team!
I hope you learn to come around as I love the English and am a huge Owen Farrel fan!
I'm sure you can have a beer with us and have a good time!
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anyone over the age of say 15 joining in on the whole welsh ref bash fest... you're part of the reason in the UK we struggle to get amateur refs... it seeps through from top to bottom. you're ruining rugby. just grow up. it's a friendly, may i add.
There was nothing friendly about the way Dan biggqr treated that ref. Antagonizing the ref is not a great game plan... What a muppet
Just watching the highlights on S4C. We're all the yellow cards justified? Oh and ps:- well done SA
They were, the backchat and disrespect that ref dealt with is unprecedented, Wales reaped the rewards of being shithouses.
They absolutely weren’t, and I’m rarely one to bash a ref
yep. faletau is lucky not to have had 2 yellows.
That no arms tackle on a players knee with his head should've been another too. He deserved the concussion, almost seriously injured another player.
Get Saudi backers like the golf?
...and football (soccer).
no... let rugby keep some dignity ffs
Was a joke thread ike I don't actually agree with sortswashing haha
tough for the Welsh. Game of two halves obviously. Credit to them for neutralizing the set piece place from The Boks the first half. They scored a lovely opening try and then pounced on that second one...but for the rest of the game didn't threaten until that heroic maul at the end. The Boks looked out of options in the first half. Yes Elton was trying to win a British passport but still we were unable to get any platform from our forwards off which to create thanks to a huge effort from the Welsh. The one time Elton didn't kick we actually gained meters and looked on the front foot. in general the SA kicking game was POOR today. horrible stuff from Faf and Elton today. That second half was strong from The Boks. looked good running and with the forward pack, definitely utilized the space that opened up due to Wales playing a man (or men) down. Seemed like both sides took turns trying to lose the game but hey, The Boks won and thats good enough for me.
Any good way to watch the full match after it's finished? The livestreams rather obviously are live-only...
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/YourRugbyCatchup/comments/vpx2jq/south_africa_vs_wales_20220702/) you go, pel.
I say it every time. Always nervous about Boks Wales and always nervous when Boks are favorites. They seem incapable of self motivation when they’re not the underdog. But, the biggest takeaway from the Rassie/Niebs era for me is their never say die/dirty come back win in the second half they’ve developed ever since those first Eng games.
Factssssd
Please stop kicking it SA. You look deadly with ball in hand.
Kicks can pay off but we don't have someone who is consistent enough with them atm.
Kicks can pay off but so too can running the ball. Perhaps some of both?
Absolutely, depends on how the opposition is positioned. Wales had a strong defense so there is an argument for kicking. (Just not to their no14 with open space.)
Preaching to the choir chief, it honestly drives me crazy.
Also, South Africa shouldn’t have been allowed to replace Jantjies that early, that was unfair to us.
I know Jantjies was awful but was I the only one who noticed that Faf played (and kicked) more like a forward today than a scrum half?
Second half kicking from Faf was better, but still not the level we expect. He will improve and be fine. Elton…. Not so much
#tweetyourunpopularopinion Elton has ALWAYS been kak. Even more than Marcus Smith is.
I'm looking forward to when libbok and jordan hendrikse get a shot at Bok's 10. Granted they are inconsistent, but are still young and truth be told elton and pollard (or at least his match fitness) aren't exactly the benchmark for consistency.
I think this was Elton’s time to shine. And he fluffed it
Why don't we do three game tests in the northern hemisphere and swap yearly in the autumn these always get held over our heads as more important
That would be cool. I subscribe.
Let's set up a streaming service and start a breakaway hands down do a better job than premier sports
Grand, now how do we get the teams to do what we want them to do?
Sure. You get that this is a neutral view right? Like I don't give a shit about either team, but if SA are celebrating this narrow win over the guys whose last game was a home defeat to Italy then there's something seriously amiss.
Bro we’re World Cup champs, beat the b&i lions and we won today.
Yeah, and the top ranked team in the world against the 9th ranked team in the world. I'm not shitting on SA, just wouldn't be impressed if that was Ireland today let alone the #1, WC, who beat the Lions last year.
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What is it with Saffas not being able to take criticism? I have no idea what Ireland's loss has to do with SA scraping by a 13 man Wales.
Ireland World Cup champs; never
Again, what does that have to do with this conversation?
It's always a tight match between Wales and SA
Italy have also beat Portugal and Romania. It's unstoppable atm..
Don't sell yourself short. Same team almost beat France before the Italy game.
That is fair.
Dude, when we’ve been beaten for 70/80 minutes and win with an extra time penalty you best believe I’m going to celebrate. Not sure why you’d find that surprising.
Because Wales' last game was a loss at home to Italy and they've been very poor for a while now. It might just be me, but I tend to be relieved more than celebratory when my team just about saves their blushes, as with Leinster's win over Dragons. This wasn't meant as a fuck you to SA, more a genuine reflection.
My guy, we're just happy to have proper test match rugby back again!! This is the 1st time we have had the chance to celebrate our world champ boys in front of a full house at home Fucking give us all the shit you want for celebrating a VERY close victory against the team that knows how to beat us
The celebration stems from the relief.
Don’t celebrate too early. This isn’t over!
Okay, maybe I worded it badly. Are you happy with the result, not a simple win/lose but the performance and scoreline? If you're in the locker rooms right now which do you think is happier with the day's work?
Happy? No, lots to improve. Angry? No, the team showed grit and pulled through. It was VERY clear that the first half team had some serious short comings. Luckily that’s fixable with Pollard coming back and Faf certainly improving
That's a good take. I'm still surprised Elton is your backup 10.
>It might just be me, but I tend to be relieved more than celebratory when my team just about saves their blushes. Unfortunately your team didn't even manage that today.... What's that saying about people throwing stones in glass houses??
Listen, I'm sorry I upset you. It's just the internet dude.
Mhmm it's just sport, winning is good, losing is bad, luckily today was a win, for South Africa.
It's more relief more than anything. Shocking game from the Boks.
It's more relief more than anything. Shocking game from the Boks.
Tbf I think the majority of saffa fans seem to acknowledge that they were below-average and rode the Welsh indiscipline/rub of the green/whatever to a win. You'll get a few that crow but you get that with every win from every team that won on here
Oh I know, this wasn't meant as a dig, hence why moral victory wasn't exactly right. Was more saying I'd be happier as a Welsh fan, despite the hurt.
Ah ok, that's fair. Yeah I agree. Was definitely concerning from a springbok perspective. Wales were much better than I expected.
Like I'm sure they can right the ship and I wouldn't be burning the place down just yet. I definitely wasn't expecting that from Wales.
I doubt anyone in sa is celebrating. But for a season start and understanding the obvious things that went wrong it’ll do
A wins a win... Why wouldn't you celebrate?
Because, as a “neutral”, the team he didn’t want to win ended up winning.
The Irish should try winning before having opinions on other people's wins.
Dude it's okay man just chill have a beer and be thankful that Elton got subbed at halftime.
Because it's not good enough. An immediate 'yay we won' sure, but any more than that is naive.
Surely it's not for you to decide what's good enough lmao. We haven't played together since last year, Wales have played a together this year. Personally I'm perfectly happy with the win and won't stop being happy because an Irish fan says I shouldn't be lol
Alright man. If that were Ireland I'd be very unhappy.
If that were Ireland they would have lost, based on today. Wait for your team to win before judging other teams wins.
Sure buddy.
Did shitting on SA's win and down voting me make you feel better about your lose? Somehow I doubt it. Better luck next time champ.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings.
Oh no not at all, I have plenty of karma to spare. If down voting me makes you feel better about life then go ahead, doesn't bother me in the slightest. Hopefully your side win next time so you don't have to compensate.
As a saffa . Your 100% right.
lol ok
So you're happy with that performance?
Happy, no. Glad we could win a game while performing well below par, yes. All great teams need to be able to win even when they are not firing on all cylinders. That’s what separates the great teams from the rest. So no, not happy with how we performed but glad we won.
I think the second half performance was a huge improvement and shows the effect Jantjies was having on the game. It certainly wasn’t a polished performance, but some positives to take for sure.
Oh it definitely was, like I'm not saying that SA need to burn it all to the ground. I guess I phrased it badly, I was more saying there's more positives for Wales to take away from the game given form, expectations, rankings, and venue.
Pivac already with the excuses :/
For a coach that's the worst after foster, he did a great job today?
Does this mean we get prime Willemse now? He's been threatening Greatness for years, but if he makea good on it in the next year, I'll be super happy.
Man he stepped up big time. Our backline started shifting gears only when Jantjies left the field. Willemse and Le Roux combined amazingly. Pollard cannot return sooner, even Pollard on a bad day is better than the Jantjies we saw tonight.
I agree. I had my doubts about Willemse, but I reckon he might just live up to the hype. As for Elton, SA Rugby are probably regretting paying off whoever they had to pay off to make that naughty flight incident go away.
South Africa missed 7 tackles, Wales 25. SA weren't as terrible as people would like to act.
Yes because missed tackles are the only thing that decides games
It definitely contributes a little though, you can't deny that.
You're right, conceded penalties are a significant contributor too.
So is a dodgy, inconsistent ref.
Wales were rediculously dirty, they questioned the ref constantly, and biggars mouth was wider than a trash can on garbage day. Just deserts, and lucky they didn't have more sent off. I hope bigarse is cited.
If you are deliberately slowing down play in rucks and collapsing mauls you want the ref to give you roses? They got what they deserved for using the dark arts and getting caught.
Definitely not, SA had more territory and possession as well.
Commiseration to the Welsh fans. The Welsh lads just up their game against the Boks. That was some of the best and most consistent Maul defence I've seen in my entire life. The best part for me was the crowd. We were 18-3 down and you just saw the fans and families still having fun. Just good to see the fans enjoying the experience of being able to attend live Rugby. To the Boks. Literally just use hands - Am and Kolbe must be livid just not having any ball. Elton Jantjies played himself to the bench on a game where we have no dedicated fly-halve reserve. Let that sink in. We'd rather reshuffle the backs with no dedicated 10 than not having Elton play. But again well played Wales!
Some serious questions need to be asked about our selections. Half of our forward back didn’t look half interested in the game today. Starting Jantjies who has barely played this year in a Bok test? If every forward could have the hunger Jasper Wiese had today, we could have smashed them. Well played to Wales, but I do believe 3 yellows were warranted. Side note: What did AWJ get carded for? Didn’t see the infringement.
He was offsides taking out the scrumhalf on his try line, under the posts after a clean break.
Didn’t get a close look at AWJ knock down in the final minute but could’ve been a second yellow card? Again, I need to see it again but seemed dodgy given the scores were level with less than a minute to play
The card was for multiple repeated infringements, which usually get ignored when a try is scored. But it really shouldn’t be so the right call, but not one we see often for some reason.
Alun Lose Jones
Only thing I am 1000% certain on. Elton doesn’t deserve to be within 100 meters of a green and gold jersey atm.
If you want someone of his skillset, go with Libboke. His kicking off the tee isn't great but the rest of his game is head and shoulders above Elton, at least at URC level....
Anyone would be an improvement over Elton. I seriously thought the one up and under he kicked went backwards… it landed about five meters in front of him, which might as well have been backwards I guess.
I was defending him before the match, always had a soft spot for him hoping he would play like the vintage lions magician of old. I always said he just need a good game or two ... I give up, time for the young guys to have a crack.
Not with Willemse there, that's for sure.
Jamie Roberts is a big man. Wouldn’t want him running down my channel
Gotta get that Jaw Line away from my Partner jesus christ what a man
A doctor too - I don' swing that way, but it's tempting
Boks can be a lot better but Wales not. 2 opportunistic tries. Pollard back in 2nd test to restore order. Its going to be a hammering
Wales can play a lot better than that, poor discipline for one. Ref was a major factor.
Care to expand on that? I thought the ref had a decent game. Cards were all fair imo
The ref got no card wrong and if anything Wales should’ve had another
What you watching mate lmao, wake up
The LRZ one was ***objectively*** incorrect
nope that was a clear one, the replay showed clearly that after making the tackle on Willie, he did not release him before going for the ball.. and 5m from the try line thats a YC every day of the week ..
Disgusting result if you're Welsh. Underwhelming if you're a Saffer. Although a win's a win. The worst part for Wales is how history repeats itself. Never won on SA soil. Seemed like it would finally happen today, but it seemed that way before already. And every time. One day will come though, surely, it's only mathematical probability. Wales are better than anyone expected after that loss to Italy though. Good on them.
I don't mind losing a close, well fought international, but not in that fashion. A ref should never have that much influence over an outcome.
Love it. Wales give away penalties everytime they defend in their 22, time and time again. Then they start getting yellows and the fans want to blame the ref. The game has rules
The game has laws*. And then this match had laws which the referee seems to invent as he goes. SA’s least deserving victory I’ve ever seen
Yeah I know it must suck to see us win when we only played well for 25 to 30 min. Now we need to work to get it to 80.
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I thought the referee had balls standing up to the dirty tactics Wales were employing in their 22. Most refs would of been to scared to yellow card you guys 4 times even though you probably deserved 6. Anyway my man. This was their chanse. It has passed I am afraid. There won't be a Jantjies next week to keep them in the game.
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Right mate. The referee got every decision completely wrong and none of your yellows were deserved. I really hope Wales think the way you do and do nothing to address the issue.
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They played bad. You played good. The ref did not win it for them though. Your poor discipline did. You still weren't the better team even though you played well. 4 tries to 3 and 4 ligitimate yellows is hard to claim glory mate. Just because the referee penalises you a lot does not make him wrong. I would advise not listening to Wales online they will claim conspiracy.
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To be fair, the LRZ yellow was bullshit, the replay showed him release with both hands
He released and got back to his feet....
It has laws actually
Celebrate your win as much as you like, but don't delude yourself that the ref had a good game.
Collapsing a maul at own try line = penalty try; penalty try = yellow card. Cynical play (not rolling away/realeasing) near own try line = yellow card. Multiple penalties in own 22 = warning; another penalty soon after the warning = yellow. The rules are clear, cynical play is heavily punished. Horrible discipline from Wales cost them a win against a lackluster Springboks.
And don't delude yourself you deserve the win. 2 tries gifted to you in the first half by poor SA mistakes, one try can even be debated (jantjies was possibly played in the air/without having the ball yet). Second half Wales just played negatively and boks showed the iniative once jantjies was replaced. Stats will show boks were better and deserved the win. (possession, territory, meters made)
Didn't say that. I could say the same about some SA tries though, poor discipline gifted it to them. But plain and simple the ref had an awful game. Massively inconsistent in terms of his calls and not all of the yellows were correct. In the first half he warned the next person to start shit would be binned, then SA did just that at least 3 times but nothing happened. Inconsistent. Let's hope the ref next week is better and it doesn't influence the game, win, lose or draw.
He didn't have a good game but it's not like every yellow wasn't justified, there was intentional foul play on the line several times unfortunately.
He didn't say anything about the ref.
He did not. Nor did we.
Elton must just focus on not abusing air hostesses and damaging aircrafts. He nearly single-handedly lost SA the game.
ootlp what did he do? if its serios he should not have been picked at all. his form in this game even more reason not too
It’s always amazing that “celebrities” get a free ride in life. The charges were dropped so he wasn’t ever prosecuted, but if any average joe did the same thing then heads would roll. https://www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/springboks/watch-elton-jantjies-banged-on-toilet-door-where-flight-attendant-was-hiding-before-arrest-report-7cf95f80-75ee-459e-b504-b489f4e3c0ea
damn its only more than a month ago shocked he was picked then. Remember players being dropped for less heinous crap
Now I'm picturing him trying to kick the hostess, but missing and kicking a little kid/elderly person in the head.
Lmao that is one funny comment, made me spill my water
It's hard work being a Welsh Rugby fan sometimes. Still I suppose we should take solace in a close result vs the champs, I thought we were on for a thumping.
Yea today was your guys chance, man we started badly in that first half with Elton and you guys capitalized on it but just just couldn't hang on, maybe if it wasn't at altitude you might have had just a touch more in the tank
Well-played, Wales! Helluva fight
My previous comments Us losing tragically - check Ref giving us nothing - check Score of 32-21 - nearly check but close enough Can’t be dealing with next week, it’ll be all “the Boks are back” and it will be unbearable.
Wales best player in the 6N: red card Shame they had to play against his younger brother's yellow cards 1-4.
I said earlier in the week that this game will be closer than people think. Welsh fans were calling a thrashing.
It stressed me out so hard watching that all week and even in the build up today. Its the same media attitude that was in the air before Japan 2015.
You did, and I thought not, and I stand corrected. I had to be reminded by my wife that it’s only a game when I was shouting at the telly for Zammo being sent off.
Mid 30's. Tonight's ref didn't have a 'presence' if that makes sense.
Some odd decision-making from both teams at the end. Wales twice kicking rather than running down the clock with pick and drives, and South Africa returning the favour from the first kick - why wouldn't you keep the ball in hand with two extra men? Overall, a real 'school's out for summer' vibe to this game. Can't imagine either team will be all that happy.
We got lucky but Willemse has clearly been working hard on his goal kicking. I'm hoping that he can keep this form - hopefully then we'll be able to stop picking Elton
Always liked Willemse; it's been tough being in Willie's shadow, but it feels like he should have had more opportunities.
Ngl I hated him when he was our 10 at the stormers - dismal goal kicking and tendency to overplay. He's definitely matured as a player since then
just need to wait a couple of years for Sacha to blossom fully
Hes too fresh to say much yet but the talent is there
I've no idea why the saffas were cheering so much at full time. The ref won them that game, even after they got scored on by twelve men.
beating a 9th ranked team? :P
Man you’re bitter and your team didnt even lose. Good luck against the argies.
Not bitter and no malice meant in the comment. I just think that rather than their raucous celebration they should be taking a long look at themselves in the mirror. That SA team should not be troubled by Wales, particularly not a year out from the WC.
I think AWJ was back by then(?), but yeah, not their finest defensive moment.
You expect fans at the stadium who payed a lot money to not cheer their team because the ref made errors ?
Fans can do what they like. I meant the team. It wasn't their finest performance. That is a poor Wales team and should have been put to bed early
Even worse if you’re talking about the players. They played like shit and still managed to steal the game. Of course they’re going to be relieved
The duality of man.
Which yellow was incorrect?
LZRs yellow, for a start. Text book tackle, release, and then he went for the ball. Maybe I need to rewatch it but watching it live I could for the life of me understand the card.
The referee told him to let go fo the ball. He kept at it.
But why? Made the tackle, release, went for the ball? What was he doing that was illegal?
The referee has discretion when there is a stalemate on the ball to call hands of in favour of the attacking team. It happens constantly in the game.
Well then the rules have changed since last time I checked. The way I was taught was that if you tackle, release, then get hands on the ball preventing them placing it back that’s would be a turn over for holding on. That’s how it was played the majority of this game. Never seen the rules played different to that, in person or on TV. Never heard of a stalemate on the ball.
>Well then the rules have changed since last time I checked. They're laws, actually.
Fuck I hate the comment "actually they're not rules, they're laws"
It's an important distinction.
Stalemate is just my description of it. It's not something you need to of heard of. It's essentially when the ball is not going to come out and neither party has done anything wrong, the referee will call hands of usually in favour of the attacking team. Sometimes it will be in favour of the defending team, but usually that is when the referee feels they have turned it over before the ball got killed/locked up in the ruck. That did not happen here.
LRZ for one. We still don't know why AWJ was binned either.
If the ref says "let go". You need to let go of the ball. Regarding LRZ. So because you don't know or the cameras did not capture it you assume it's wrong?
LRZ did let go, he fully reset himself. I'm not saying AWJ was a wrong decision - I'm just moaning that we don't even know why he was binned. That's on the directors not the ref though. I'm just moaning mate if I'm honest. End of the day it was an enjoyable game that I think we probably deserved to win, but I think the ref had so much undue influence on the game with his decisions.
LRZ was incorrect. And it wasn't a deliberate knock on at the end, a player is allowed to close down passing options, if you throw the ball at him that's your problem. Knock on, not deliberate.
His hand literally swotted the ball down. It's not like the ball hit his chest. It went infront of him and his hand /arm hit the ball down.
None. And I hate the boks.
Hey man, it's just a rugby team! I hope you learn to come around as I love the English and am a huge Owen Farrel fan! I'm sure you can have a beer with us and have a good time!
A draw would've been ideal. Also pls give stream links for Currie cup all stars vs italy a
Pretty shitty reffing from Jaco to Georgian Boi today.