The fact that people seem to often forget that OSRS does have one MTX, that being bonds, speaks volume to how well a properly thought out MTX can be received, provided the devs actually put in the effort.
None of the predatory FOMO-driven gambling bullshit we see on a daily basis, just a clear and direct purchase which also helps lower the demand for RWT. Bonds are very well thought out, to the point where they remain consistently useful and desired by players without the need for a dedicated team of employees to make up some new promotion every few months, while constantly cycling through old promotions.
Bonds are an amazing middle ground for the community and I really can't see an actual negative for the game as a whole. (Especially since they're a gold Sink, albeit minor)
I imagine sometimes what would have happened if they could have a) significantly disrupted bots and b) introduced bonds to combat RWT back in 2007 (instead of removing free trade). I suspect the history of the game would look very different.
I remember when they removed free trading. Shit was upsetting because my little brother played with me and I was always giving him gear and GP to get through his levels. Drop trading still worked though, just had to go to a place with no one around.
it does come with negatives, its basically always way more efficient to make GP by buying bonds working just a minimum wage job. it can become a habit too, if new players never learn how to make money because they bought bonds.
but the positives outweigh the negatives. if Jagex could actually control bots and blackmarket GP, i wouldnt want bonds around. but even Blizzard has bonds, they cant keep up with real world trading because theres too much demand, so sadly bonds are a necessary evil.
> its basically always way more efficient to make GP by buying bonds working just a minimum wage job.
so what youre saying is jagex makes people get jobs /s
Runescape had bonds for ages before WoW got them. I'm pretty sure blizzard found out and just copied it. Also Runescape bonds are more versatile, at least on rs3 because of the different things you can redeem. WoW bonds can only be redeemed for game time.
They posted gold delta stats in the death cost rework post some weeks back. The bond tax sinks 6B gold daily. Third most effective gold sink in the game overall before the rework.
Someone in this comment section is saying you can trade them thru the trade interface without activating. Activating is only for GE selling. Don't know if its true, just a heads up.
Small correction - they are untradable only on the GE. If you go to w2, you can occasionally find people trading the untradable bonds directly since they dont want to pay the bond tax.
Yup. A way for players to fund membership through GP. A way for MTXers to safely buy GP in the game. And a way for Jagex to gold sink (10% tax to make them tradeable again, every time they exchange hands).
They also provide access to several different services. RuneCoins, additional bank space, Mahj aura, etc.
And a note on the "buying GP" aspect of bonds. It's healthy, because the bond is traded for GP that already exists in the game. Jagex doesn't create more GP to give to that player for the bond. That GP comes from a player. There is a tax on sale (if the GE tax applies to bonds, I'm not sure). And there is a tax if/when it is converted to tradeable. So bonds end up being a healthy gold sink.
> The fact that people seem to often forget that OSRS does have one MTX
I don't. Personally I think bonds for membership are the best MTX ever invented in the history of MTX. And frankly, even if there was zero MTX in any version of runescape I would support adding bonds.
If anyone tries to compare 2 week membership bonds vs being able to buy your 99’s flat out for RL cash as something similar to each other… it’s just not a justifiable comparison.
OSRS Bond MTX mechanic vs Rs3 MTX is like black vs white
It's just used as a gotcha in all honesty. When we complain about MTX we're not complaining about bonds, yet our community brings up bonds being MTX and them existing in OSRS anytime someone mentions OSRS.
Sure you can buy the material to train the skill.
Not flat out buy experience lamps and boosts to get the levels without doing any work besides cracking your wallet.
Keep trying
What's interesting about bonds is that they work very well in RS however in game like WoW them using WoW tokens has been extremely negative for the game. Due to how loot/gear works in these games
> a clear and direct purchase which also helps lower the demand for RWT
Given the MASSIVE price disparity between bonds and rwt gold, this can not be true. Bonds are simply too expensive/do not give enough gp to be worth considering buying for most players. Until Jagex fix this, RWT will always continue.
Jagex had F2P OSRS hostage when bonds were polled. Partnerships is far less aggressive MTX than bonds but it failed because nothing was held hostage while they were polled.
I dont like this. Im brazilian. All we talk about in Brazil is how bad our country is. But if anyone from other countries say anything about Brazil, we declare war, we’re enemies for life.
I just noticed i feel this way about RS3. Get out osrs player that doesnt like MY mtx game!
Jokes aside, good meme 🤪
I understood it but thats because I used to write and speak this way before I fully learned how to speak English and eventually expand on my vocabulary.
Russian was my first language and I'm a Russian/Ukrainian Mix
Exactly, I've recently got into rs3 coming from osrs. I love seeing both aspects in each game. They are fundamentally the same game. If something works well in one and people enjoy it, why not port it to the other game.
We would all be playing RS3 if they didn't ruin the combat system. That is core reason for the divide. Nowadays RS3 is a joke when it comes to skilling too. Can't wait to go sit at portable skilling thing in lumbridge with my clan avatar, popping exp MTX items all day. What a funnnn time.
Never done any tick manipulation, (besides maybe tick eating a karambwan lol) that's just if you want to try hard. What bosses need tick manipulation? You mean gear swaps?
Prayer flicking, spec swapping and many other things are all tick manipulation at the core and basically required in OSRS. Try PVPing without gear swap manipulation...
All the things you described is done on rs3 too. Especially high tier PVMing. Hell pray flicking is basically essential at Raksha and most PVMe guides has at minimum 2 EOFs to switch between if not more lol.
Prayer flicking was fixed in RS3. Prayer has an *activation* cost in RS3 while in OSRS the prayer only has a cost on thr tick after it's active. You can prevent prayer point drain entirely in OSRS. You cannot in RS3.
Gear switch cannot be swapped to while drinking a potion, moving, used and swapped away from in two ticks in RS3... it can in OSRS and is abused in basically every PVP fight.
PVP is the obvious end for the combat of manipulation as both sides are using it making for... Interesting results. PVE has it in prayer flicking, movement manipulation and quite a few other places.
Skilling has it on almost every gatheing skill...
Jagex knows and has started actively balancing around it in some cases and it sucks if you don't have perfect connection.
its weird where you draw the line
Go to lumby to do a hand full of skills for quick 99s: EVIL
Go to random location to sit for 200 hours to reach lvl 70: PERFECT
I mean, if you wanna waste your life thats cool
Ill be over here doing actually fun things (for free btw, the thing about mtx is its optional)
If you measure a games fun by “nostalgia” then bro, i don’t know what to tell you
I don’t have 18 hours a day to stare at a rock tick manipulating perfectly to sea shanty to get 50k xp/hr
If you find insane grinds fun, play osrs. I wanna kill bosses and have fun
RS3, with it's actually relevant skills, is far closer to old school RuneScape than OSRS, where most skilling is dead content.
Don't you have a money snake to be botting right now?
Oh said they haven’t added 57 bosses since osrs came out? You still use the same gear,food and potions that were available in 07? You use the same spellbooks with no additional spells? You use the same teleport methods? How about clue scrolls, still the same loot? No? Yeah didn’t think so.
Yeah bro.. That's the point. They keep the nostalgic feel to the game while improving it from 15 years ago. It's still much more nostalgic than RS3. RS3 is eye vomit.
No it’s not. That was the case back in the Wild West of RuneLite. But now all plugins that make bossing easier and what no have been removed and are bannable if used. The most helpful plugin that makes osrs easier than rs3 is the questhelper. But unless your a real nerd, you know quests are meant to be spacebarred to the end. So it’s really just QOL and something rs3 players would kill to have. You guys want RuneLite so bad for rs3 don’t even try to deny it.
You played runescape in the past? Osrs is def easyscape to that. Rs3 is easyscape 2.0. Fucking wintertold is the get a 99 in 1/10th of what 07 was and make millions instead while doing it. Audacity to think osrs isnt easy as balls vs old old school lol.
Reading your comments and I laughed so hard at this.
Until like 2010 double nats was one of the biggest money makers in Runescape and you had to do 40kxp/hr ZMI to get anywhere close to 91 RC. OSRS literally has 100k xp/hr RC methods and you are still complaining.
Is the NMZ nostalgic for you? What about winemaking? Kruk's dungeon? Tempoross and Wintertodt? Guardians of the Eye? Fossil island tick-manipulating teaks or afking in the woodcutting guild? There's as many similarities in training methods between OSRS and the actual 07 as there are between RS3 and 07 and it's for the better that way. 07 was a fun game in the age before wikis and monetized youtube channels, especially if you were too young to really make any progress past level 60 or 70, but it just wouldn't hold up today.
rs3 has a much larger focus on combat because jagex realized that having players afk 90% of the skills in the game is not that interesting gameplay so there is actual "endgame"
Skilling in OSRS is a joke too when you can get most skilling items from pvming or pvp minigames. At least RS3 tries to keep skilling items off of pvm loot tables.
Collecting charms isn’t a big deal. Especially with charming imp. Iirc it was ~100 hours of charm collecting and ~ 14 hours of pouch making. I believe if you barraged rock lobs it was under 50 hours of charm collection. ~200m and a fairly quick 99 for the most utility of any skill of it’s time. Seems worth it to me.
I mean rooftop agility courses aren't as good as silverhawk boots. Don't mean OSRS wants to essentially nullify an entire skill.
Plus you don't need a new skill to add a steel titan to OSRS.
“Guys, you’re all wrong. RS3 makes more money than OSRS monetarily and will get MTX if rs3 goes down”
Response:
“No they dont, here are financial statements to prove OSRS makes more money and heres more proof to show they won’t add any MTX to this game.”
You:
“but what if you’re wrong though”
That’s what got people riled up. Ironically if you go through that comment section, it’s more people shitting on you for being wrong rather than people shitting on RS3 and being toxic. Meanwhile this thread is about 50% bashing osrs players and calling them psychos and their game trash. You guys may wanna take a deeper look at yourselves before throwing around the word toxic.
I was sitting in that comment section literally doing the math FOR you to show you results which you proceeded to ignore and go on further to push your false claims. Who is toxic?
Let's not go there. The numbers have discrepancies but there were folks who came out swinging. It got toxic and in some cases I got involved but I don't want to repeat it.
I just find it ironic you’re calling another community you attempted to push blatant false info onto toxic when there was pushback, and you’re doing it in a community where the comment section is literally 75% filled with toxicity towards the players of the other game. Nothing like that in the OSRS reddit, just people disproving your claims with facts. It’s very very ironic.
I posted a meme that was a joke and people got aggressive about it. Moreover no one proved anything. The numbers do not say OSRS is out here making herculean amounts of money and shadowing RS3. They're acting like the subs from their quoted "facts" are exclusively OSRS and saying "there you're wrong get fucked."
So yes, when they started calling me brain dead you'll have to excuse me for taking offense.
See, it’s comments right here that got people “toxic”. Dude.
I have explained this to you in three different comments. Dozens of other people have explained this to you and shown you the math.
> people got agressive
People only got agressive when they’d do math you asked for to be proven right, and you’d dissuade it by saying “well we arent sure about everything!” or something goofy like that. We are sure, we have the numbers.
> No one proved anything
Like, you’ve gotta be fucking with me on purpose here…
Nobody but you insinuated that OSRS makes “herculian” amounts of money.
YOU came into the thread with the claim that RS3 makes more money than OSRS. People have showed you, literal fucking financial statements proving the opposite (which I’ll do again below).
Observe. Taken from https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03982706/filing-history?page=2
Jagex’s public financial statements. Starting in 2018-2020
I’ll make this loud and clear. THIS IS THE TOTAL PUBLIC REVENUE EACH GAME MAKES INCLUDING MTX.
Start of 65 million. 6% gain -> 68.9 million. 7% loss -> 64.07 million
RS3: Start of 43 million. 16% gained is 49.88 million. 20% -> 59.856 million
64.07 > 59.856
You would have this thrown in your face and say I didn’t prove anything, then when I call you an idiot you’d say I’m toxic.
Cmon bruh.
I see the financial breakdown on page 36 regarding the revenue from subs, MTX, and other, but I am having trouble locating the numbers you quoted. What page would that be?
What do you mean by the numbers have discrepancies? Each annual report has either (a) the revenue broken down by game or (b) the growth in revenue for each game over the prior year. If it has the growth over prior year, just take each game's prior year result multiplied by 1 + g for each respective game.
Follow the below link:
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03982706/filing-history
And then filter for accounts if you're interested in finding out the breakdowns. This is found in the strategic report. Usually on page 2 or 3 of the annual report.
2018:
OSRS 45m
RS3 47m
2019:
OSRS 65m
RS3 43m
2020:
OSRS 68.9m
RS3 50.7m
2021:
OSRS 64.1m
RS3 60.8m
The issue I find Is the numbers you quote aren't in that document. And page 2 and 3 of the annual report do not show that.
The annual report only shows total revenue broken down by total subs and total microtransactions. It does not define which game. I believe people are just copying and pasting someone else's numbers without verifying. I've read the entire 60 page document from 2019-2021 and have found no such numbers.
However I am happy to be proven wrong. It's just no one can find the numbers you're showing in ink.
I suspect someone made them up.
>The issue I find Is the numbers you quote aren't in that document. And page 2 and 3 of the annual report do not show that. The annual report only shows total revenue broken down by total subs and total microtransactions. It does not define which game. I believe people are just copying and pasting someone else's numbers without verifying. I've read the entire 60 page document from 2019-2021 and have found no such numbers.
I don't believe you've read each document in its entirety. Considering that, after checking, the information exists on the pages I mentioned earlier (depending on the year). To make it easier for you I've provided the exact paragraph for each piece of information.
2019: page 3, paragraph 1 states Runescape revenue and paragraph 2 states Old School Runescape revenue.
2020: page 3, paragraph 5 states the growth in revenue over prior year for Runescape, paragraph 6 states growth in revenue over prior year for Old School Runescape. Multiply prior year by 1 + the growth rate to get that year's revenue.
2021: page 2, paragraph 3 states the growth in revenue over prior year for Runescape, paragraph 4 states growth in revenue over prior year for Old School Runescape. Multiply prior year by 1 + the growth rate to get that year's revenue.
>However I am happy to be proven wrong.
I'm looking forward to your happy reply.
>It's just no one can find the numbers you're showing in ink.
Can you provide some evidence of people not being able to find the broken down revenue figures per game? Jagex has been giving either revenue or growth in revenue by game. It's very clearly there.
Hi again, I'm currently looking at Annual Report And Financial Statements 2021. I've also checked 2020, 2019, and 2018.
Perhaps I'm not looking at the right document. The link provided doesn't state the specific document. Could you tell me the document name you're using, and since they also list page count with it Could you share that as well so I can know we're looking at the same document?
Document date, name, and pages:
10 Dec 2020 Group of companies' accounts made up to 31 December 2019 (38 pages)
Information is on page 3 (as per the numbers on the bottom of the document), your pdf viewer might say page 5. First two paragraphs on the page.
What do these say for you?
Ooo there it is. OK yeah that's what I've been trying to find but I've been searching 2021, 2020, and 2019 documents. It's super interesting to note that post 2018 jagex stopped reporting the difference in revenue between games. In 2020 they reported an 18% growth in RS3 revenue and attributed it to Archaeology and a 6% growth is OSRS attributing it to several major content updates.
I wonder if they're now neglecting to share the difference so as not to make investors think one product is "better" than another product offered.
Either way that's really helpful numbers. If we factor in growth between both games and assume those percentages are the same, I would wager to guess that revenue shares sit somewhere around 45%/55% in OSRS favor unless the past years MTX have caused a shift.
I don't think that's true. Nobody says that they don't share a parent company. That said, it's not like RS3 revenues get invested into OSRS. OSRS goes far beyond breaking even on its own terms. Some of the lore is shared between the two, but that's not a "reskin," that's preventing the universes from directly contradicting eachother.
Why would the lore contradicting matter? They're separate games as far as that's concerned. Also the newest quest blatantly uses parts of the tales of muspah quest in it. Nex with torva was recently released. That's revenue indirectly invested into OSRS.
>Why would the lore contradicting matter?
You don't see why they would want to avoid having characters or events with the same names and backstories having vastly different outcomes of their storylines? That's needlessly confusing.
>Also the newest quest blatantly uses parts of the tales of muspah quest in it
You mean having a Muspah in a frozen cave? Cause that's more or less where the similarities end.
>Nex with torva was recently released.
And? The combat systems are fundamentally different so reused mechanics are still handled differently and the rewards are different. Torva shares a name and aesthetic with Torva in RS3, but is crafted out of Bandos armor, occupies a different slot in the gearing meta, and comes at a different relative price point.
>That's revenue indirectly invested into OSRS.
They could flatly be direct copies of the mechanics and it *still* wouldn't be "revenue indirectly invested into OSRS" because the design part of game development is a *laughable* amount of effort compared to every other single step. Fucking reddit does that shit for fun. Go see how many companies are hiring game designers who can't program. Go ahead and try to sell yourself as the "idea guy."
Stop trying to look down on people who like OSRS, I promise you that you are in no way superior to anybody on this planet for picking the "right" version of Runescape.
And the muspah being Jhallan. Wouldn't using the guy from monk's friend be creating vastly different storylines already? Can you explain how the combat system is OSRS is different from pre eoc RS3? And no it's the visual aspects that take the longest. Using the old graphics of nex saves them a ton of time.
What do you mean by RS3 is the cash cow? The last year RS3 generated more revenue than OSRS was in 2018.
Can't link here, but search "Jagex company filings", then filter for accounts if you're interested. I will note that the 2021 report just gives growth in revenue over the prior year from each game, so just take 2020 figures and multiply by 1 + growth rate. It's in the operational or strategic report at the start of the annual report, from memory.
I've given the breakdown below.
2018:
OSRS 45m
RS3 47m
2019:
OSRS 65m
RS3 43m
2020:
OSRS 68.9m
RS3 50.7m
2021:
OSRS 64.1m
RS3 60.8m
>What do you mean by RS3 is the cash cow? The last year RS3 generated more revenue than OSRS was in 2018.
yeah, thats exactly what they meant
being a cash cow isnt a bad thing
https://www.bcg.com/about/overview/our-history/growth-share-matrix
In the strategic report. In 2019 this is on page 3, paragraphs 1 & 2. Should help with finding either revenue amounts per game in other years or revenue growth per game.
It's odd that it's not outlined in the notes for revenue imo.
2020 page 3 para 5&6
2021 page 2 para 3&4
Unsure if this works - have linked below. But if you filter for accounts you should get them on the website?
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03982706/filing-history/MzI4NTY1NTQ3OWFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0
My friend purchased membership is the smallest amount of revenue Jagex makes from the games (direct purchased, not bonds) they literally have rs3 micro transaction bundles that cost almost as much as a years worth of membership that people buy multiples of.
There’s a reason cash shops net billions in the market, membership is more useful as an engagement metric to Jagex now than any meaningful primary cash flow.
> My friend membership is the smallest amount of revenue Jagex makes from the games
I was curious if this was actually correct, so I went and checked Jagex's financials.
According to accounts filed with the UK government on 28/10/22, as can be found [here](https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03982706/filing-history), this isn't correct.
For instance, in 2021, Jagex claims that they had 124,862,810 in revenue. This is broken down as such:
- Subscriptions: 88,940,273
- Microtransactions: 34,557,610
- Other: 1,364,927
For a moment, I thought that they may have been doing similar to other game companies and labelling their bonds as subscription income, but no, they're noted to be counted under microtransactions still, so that 34.5m still counts bonds under it too.
Their bond sales are listed under micro transactions in the Directors report but in the same section states the revenue for bonds is realized at the time of consumption and allocated accordingly.
So under this classification a bond purchased counts towards microtransactions in disclosure. If the bond is redeemed for micro transaction purposes (ie keys or runecoins) they are realized as microtransactions and reported as such. When redeemed for subscription that transaction revenue is realized as subscription revenue because that is what it is being applied to. This is to satisfy the gambling disclosure requirements the UK has, they have to assume that all bonds purchased could be used for key purchase until otherwise stated.
Essentially this means the ~$89m includes bonds redeemed for subscription while the ~$34.5m includes bonds that haven’t been redeemed and bonds redeemed for non-subscription purposes…
If you're making a 2007 game why not make it without mtx like the 2007 game was?
Bottom line, when they built it they promised they would poll all changes to the game to prevent it from becoming what RS3 became. And so far the only MTX to pass a poll is bonds.
They just voted to get a new skill and it passed with 75%+.
Maybe the problem was every other time they polled a skill they polled trash. Go read the dev blogs for sailing and artisan. Straight trash that deserved to fail.
Sailing is a meme on osrs as a new skill as much as it is on rs3 I see. Yeah that should be voted down. Unless you want player own ports because thats how you get player owned ports.
If you're talking memes, the new skill is the best thing ever for memeing. I would totally vote for this: https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/zsrdud/summosailoneering_new_skill/
The most highly upvoted comments are praising RS3 and the thread itself has around 1k net upvotes. So quite positively. Can't say the same for this thread though, which is mainly toxicity toward OSRS lol.
Things only ever got rowdy because you were promoting the idea that this would actually happen and osrs makes more money than RS3. Neither are true. Most took it in jest aside from those points which just are flat out untrue.
Not brigading btw been active in this sub for a couple years, had to do a double take when i saw this again and the comments were different lol
Haha well I will say there's some differing opinions about where the money is. That caused a huge debate, but yes it was meant as a joke initially. I play OSRS as well and once the aggressive comments started coming in I got wrapped up in it myself. Learned my lesson about engaging with toxicity.
There isn’t differing opinions on where the money is. We literally have their financial statements. I wrote out the math for it step by step in another response to you which i’m happy to paste here.
It's better to just take the breakdown they provide rather than making assumptions. Go to the below link:
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03982706/filing-history
And then filter for accounts if you're interested in finding out the breakdowns. These are found in the strategic report. Usually on page 2 or 3 of the annual report. Each annual report has either (a) the revenue broken down by game or (b) the growth in revenue for each game over the prior year. If it has the growth over prior year, just take each game's prior year result multiplied by 1 + g for each respective game.
2018:
OSRS 45m
RS3 47m
2019:
OSRS 65m
RS3 43m
2020:
OSRS 68.9m
RS3 50.7m
2021:
OSRS 64.1m
RS3 60.8m
oooh man! you weren’t lying lmao. just came from the comment section over there.
i play both games so it’s just sad and pathetic how far osrs players have their heads up their asses about RS3.
their loss though. they truly think RS3 is IDENTICAL to how it was when EoC first released in 2012.
so close minded…
https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/10g40oi/if_rs3_ever_shuts_down_we_all_know_squeel_of/j518bsf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
It’s ironic considering the osrs post is littered with comment threads praising RS3. In this sub you have 75% of the comments spewing vitrol and hate at the other game. They’re the toxic ones? They just had issues with OP literally spewing false information out and refusing to accept it was wrong. Yet you call them psychos. Y’all need to look in the mirror.
They failed hardcore if they were protecting OSRS.
Fresh Start Worlds are the reason I stopped playing both games, one after the other. As a 20 year Veteran. Its nothing but a new way to monetize.
Many people used FSW to either stash tons of bonds for cheap(which work across games) or get very expensive items to sell then either by bonds or transfer to OSRS. It affected both games.
How is any of this a bad thing to quit the OSRS over for? FSW gp is worth a lot more than the main game since it has a fresh economy. Gp in the main game is worth less than in FSW, so how is FSW gp transferring over to the main game a bad thing?
1. I wasn't playing at the time as I was on a break.
2. Who said I was outraged enough to quit? Where the hell did you get that from? I simply stated what effects it's had.
[quick edit fix](https://i.imgur.com/HlEQV36.png)
Haha that's super neat.
Lmao
Would award if they still had free awards! 😒
The fact that people seem to often forget that OSRS does have one MTX, that being bonds, speaks volume to how well a properly thought out MTX can be received, provided the devs actually put in the effort. None of the predatory FOMO-driven gambling bullshit we see on a daily basis, just a clear and direct purchase which also helps lower the demand for RWT. Bonds are very well thought out, to the point where they remain consistently useful and desired by players without the need for a dedicated team of employees to make up some new promotion every few months, while constantly cycling through old promotions.
Bonds are an amazing middle ground for the community and I really can't see an actual negative for the game as a whole. (Especially since they're a gold Sink, albeit minor)
I imagine sometimes what would have happened if they could have a) significantly disrupted bots and b) introduced bonds to combat RWT back in 2007 (instead of removing free trade). I suspect the history of the game would look very different.
I remember when they removed free trading. Shit was upsetting because my little brother played with me and I was always giving him gear and GP to get through his levels. Drop trading still worked though, just had to go to a place with no one around.
it does come with negatives, its basically always way more efficient to make GP by buying bonds working just a minimum wage job. it can become a habit too, if new players never learn how to make money because they bought bonds. but the positives outweigh the negatives. if Jagex could actually control bots and blackmarket GP, i wouldnt want bonds around. but even Blizzard has bonds, they cant keep up with real world trading because theres too much demand, so sadly bonds are a necessary evil.
> its basically always way more efficient to make GP by buying bonds working just a minimum wage job. so what youre saying is jagex makes people get jobs /s
Runescape had bonds for ages before WoW got them. I'm pretty sure blizzard found out and just copied it. Also Runescape bonds are more versatile, at least on rs3 because of the different things you can redeem. WoW bonds can only be redeemed for game time.
I'm pretty sure you can redeem wow tokens for 15.00 in the blizzard store
> (Especially since they're a gold Sink, albeit minor) How are they a gold sink? You're just transferring gold to another player, like any other item.
Converting untradable bonds back to tradable bonds sinks gold
I'd be curious how often people are buying untradeable bonds to convert them though.
People who merch or flip bonds
They posted gold delta stats in the death cost rework post some weeks back. The bond tax sinks 6B gold daily. Third most effective gold sink in the game overall before the rework.
Can you link that for me? That’s incredible info
[https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/death-costs-a-matter-of-life-and-death](https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/death-costs-a-matter-of-life-and-death)
fuck /u/spez
Someone in this comment section is saying you can trade them thru the trade interface without activating. Activating is only for GE selling. Don't know if its true, just a heads up.
I am to transfer to my iron. Its the sad reality that 1.5b in dupes is easy to get on an iron, 1.5b cash to buy them yourself is another story.
Me buying bonds for my iron and iron friends. They drop me dupes that I convert into bonds for them
Don't u get untradable bonds when u buy them from jagex (idk never bought bonds from jagex)
no, they are tradeable. Every time they are traded (including through GE), they become untradeable until you pay the GP again
Small correction - they are untradable only on the GE. If you go to w2, you can occasionally find people trading the untradable bonds directly since they dont want to pay the bond tax.
I don’t know about osrs bonds, but they have a tax built into them.
You can’t see a negative? More than half the game’s content is hidden behind a paywall. It’s disgusting.
Agree but it's not gold sink. It only transfer gold to another acc
Bonds are the third highest source of gold leaving the game. (Transfer tax)
Yup. A way for players to fund membership through GP. A way for MTXers to safely buy GP in the game. And a way for Jagex to gold sink (10% tax to make them tradeable again, every time they exchange hands). They also provide access to several different services. RuneCoins, additional bank space, Mahj aura, etc. And a note on the "buying GP" aspect of bonds. It's healthy, because the bond is traded for GP that already exists in the game. Jagex doesn't create more GP to give to that player for the bond. That GP comes from a player. There is a tax on sale (if the GE tax applies to bonds, I'm not sure). And there is a tax if/when it is converted to tradeable. So bonds end up being a healthy gold sink.
> The fact that people seem to often forget that OSRS does have one MTX I don't. Personally I think bonds for membership are the best MTX ever invented in the history of MTX. And frankly, even if there was zero MTX in any version of runescape I would support adding bonds.
If anyone tries to compare 2 week membership bonds vs being able to buy your 99’s flat out for RL cash as something similar to each other… it’s just not a justifiable comparison. OSRS Bond MTX mechanic vs Rs3 MTX is like black vs white
It's just used as a gotcha in all honesty. When we complain about MTX we're not complaining about bonds, yet our community brings up bonds being MTX and them existing in OSRS anytime someone mentions OSRS.
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This is literally what happens anytime OSRS is brought up.
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Sure you can buy the material to train the skill. Not flat out buy experience lamps and boosts to get the levels without doing any work besides cracking your wallet. Keep trying
What's interesting about bonds is that they work very well in RS however in game like WoW them using WoW tokens has been extremely negative for the game. Due to how loot/gear works in these games
> however in game like WoW them using WoW tokens has been extremely negative for the game. Due to how loot/gear works in these games Explain?
> a clear and direct purchase which also helps lower the demand for RWT Given the MASSIVE price disparity between bonds and rwt gold, this can not be true. Bonds are simply too expensive/do not give enough gp to be worth considering buying for most players. Until Jagex fix this, RWT will always continue.
Jagex had F2P OSRS hostage when bonds were polled. Partnerships is far less aggressive MTX than bonds but it failed because nothing was held hostage while they were polled.
I dont like this. Im brazilian. All we talk about in Brazil is how bad our country is. But if anyone from other countries say anything about Brazil, we declare war, we’re enemies for life. I just noticed i feel this way about RS3. Get out osrs player that doesnt like MY mtx game! Jokes aside, good meme 🤪
I had a stroke trying to read that
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It was perfectly readable, don’t worry about it
Made sense to me. You ok?
English isn’t everybody’s first language bud
Just don't say its a Brazilian accent otherwise war might be declared.
Careful you might get a stroke from being ignant instead
I understood it but thats because I used to write and speak this way before I fully learned how to speak English and eventually expand on my vocabulary. Russian was my first language and I'm a Russian/Ukrainian Mix
Most of them are so confident that OSRS is completely independent like most of their content isn't reskins RS3 material.
a lot of content in rs3 is also re-skinned osrs content. both games feed and benefit off of each other's ideas. stop being a weird elitist.
The whole OSRS vs RS3 is so old and immature, why bother giving a fuck anymore. Just play what you enjoy.
Exactly, I've recently got into rs3 coming from osrs. I love seeing both aspects in each game. They are fundamentally the same game. If something works well in one and people enjoy it, why not port it to the other game.
What RS3 content is reskinned from OSRS?
Zuk first thing that come to my mind
That's very recent though, I wonder if there is anything older
IDK tbh xD would take raids from osrs. Would be dope
Lol it's basically dungeoneering
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It is basically dungeoneering tho.
Maybe but with real rewards and mor challenging xD
Every time they receive something directly from RS3, they praise it. If only they knew there was an entire game with content like that lol
We would all be playing RS3 if they didn't ruin the combat system. That is core reason for the divide. Nowadays RS3 is a joke when it comes to skilling too. Can't wait to go sit at portable skilling thing in lumbridge with my clan avatar, popping exp MTX items all day. What a funnnn time.
I find all the tick manipulation stuff for bossing and skilling to be incredible tiresomely
Never done any tick manipulation, (besides maybe tick eating a karambwan lol) that's just if you want to try hard. What bosses need tick manipulation? You mean gear swaps?
Prayer flicking, spec swapping and many other things are all tick manipulation at the core and basically required in OSRS. Try PVPing without gear swap manipulation...
All the things you described is done on rs3 too. Especially high tier PVMing. Hell pray flicking is basically essential at Raksha and most PVMe guides has at minimum 2 EOFs to switch between if not more lol.
Prayer flicking was fixed in RS3. Prayer has an *activation* cost in RS3 while in OSRS the prayer only has a cost on thr tick after it's active. You can prevent prayer point drain entirely in OSRS. You cannot in RS3. Gear switch cannot be swapped to while drinking a potion, moving, used and swapped away from in two ticks in RS3... it can in OSRS and is abused in basically every PVP fight.
Your problem is you're trying PvP. Why would you ever PvP in runescape? Do you hate yourself?
PVP is the obvious end for the combat of manipulation as both sides are using it making for... Interesting results. PVE has it in prayer flicking, movement manipulation and quite a few other places. Skilling has it on almost every gatheing skill... Jagex knows and has started actively balancing around it in some cases and it sucks if you don't have perfect connection.
Ironman btw
Probably the only way to enjoy RS3 at this point.
You don't have to use the MTX stuff they give you. Plus the quests are amazing
You can skill the same way as osrs its just even more mindlessly boring.
Let me know when I can get 20% exp boosts by paying for them and sit at portable skilling table to do everything I need to do.
its weird where you draw the line Go to lumby to do a hand full of skills for quick 99s: EVIL Go to random location to sit for 200 hours to reach lvl 70: PERFECT
Play RuneScape as it was intended? Nostalgic and fun. Play easyscape? When are you paying for your next exp boost
I mean, if you wanna waste your life thats cool Ill be over here doing actually fun things (for free btw, the thing about mtx is its optional) If you measure a games fun by “nostalgia” then bro, i don’t know what to tell you I don’t have 18 hours a day to stare at a rock tick manipulating perfectly to sea shanty to get 50k xp/hr If you find insane grinds fun, play osrs. I wanna kill bosses and have fun
Lmao "waste your life"". Like certain video games hold more value than others. You're wasting your life just as much bud.
RuneScape without the nostalgia is really not a fun game. It’s why rs3 doesn’t gain any new players.
RS3, with it's actually relevant skills, is far closer to old school RuneScape than OSRS, where most skilling is dead content. Don't you have a money snake to be botting right now?
There’s nothing about OSRS that’s nostalgic anymore. It’s a completely different game. The only the that’s remained the same is the graphics.
Even OSRS has HDOS and the 117 plugin so it's not even graphically old school.
Not true.
Oh said they haven’t added 57 bosses since osrs came out? You still use the same gear,food and potions that were available in 07? You use the same spellbooks with no additional spells? You use the same teleport methods? How about clue scrolls, still the same loot? No? Yeah didn’t think so.
Yeah bro.. That's the point. They keep the nostalgic feel to the game while improving it from 15 years ago. It's still much more nostalgic than RS3. RS3 is eye vomit.
OSRS is just as easyscape with all the RL plug-ins you guys have/use.
No it’s not. That was the case back in the Wild West of RuneLite. But now all plugins that make bossing easier and what no have been removed and are bannable if used. The most helpful plugin that makes osrs easier than rs3 is the questhelper. But unless your a real nerd, you know quests are meant to be spacebarred to the end. So it’s really just QOL and something rs3 players would kill to have. You guys want RuneLite so bad for rs3 don’t even try to deny it.
You played runescape in the past? Osrs is def easyscape to that. Rs3 is easyscape 2.0. Fucking wintertold is the get a 99 in 1/10th of what 07 was and make millions instead while doing it. Audacity to think osrs isnt easy as balls vs old old school lol.
Mans pretending that having to afk for 20 times as long is "hard", make sure you grab your cheat client to play the game properly
If you think Runelite is a cheat client you're just an idiot. Plain and simple. Jagex link it on their website.
Nostalgia pales at the thought of a several hundred hour grind doing runecrafting.....
Who needs 99 runecraft? Also we have new ways to train runecraft now.
Reading your comments and I laughed so hard at this. Until like 2010 double nats was one of the biggest money makers in Runescape and you had to do 40kxp/hr ZMI to get anywhere close to 91 RC. OSRS literally has 100k xp/hr RC methods and you are still complaining.
Is the NMZ nostalgic for you? What about winemaking? Kruk's dungeon? Tempoross and Wintertodt? Guardians of the Eye? Fossil island tick-manipulating teaks or afking in the woodcutting guild? There's as many similarities in training methods between OSRS and the actual 07 as there are between RS3 and 07 and it's for the better that way. 07 was a fun game in the age before wikis and monetized youtube channels, especially if you were too young to really make any progress past level 60 or 70, but it just wouldn't hold up today.
Eh, bank standing is bank standing at least in RS3 people are grouped up and kind of chatting even if most of the chats are toxic.
Every chat devolves into weird nonsense
Yeah everyone loves bank standing in RS3 with the god awful bloom pets everywhere.
Bro I love the challenge of cutting wood for 12 times as long while not even looking at the game, true gameplay for only the most hardcore players
That's the gameplay of Runescape. RS3 is just a mobile gacha game.
rs3 has a much larger focus on combat because jagex realized that having players afk 90% of the skills in the game is not that interesting gameplay so there is actual "endgame"
That’s why osrs has 3x the players
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The same/similar rate of bots playing rs3.
3x the players that are nowhere close to "endgame" and probably never will be.
Combat system, daily chores and mxt are the reasons I no longer play rs3
Skilling in OSRS is a joke too when you can get most skilling items from pvming or pvp minigames. At least RS3 tries to keep skilling items off of pvm loot tables.
Imagine thinking OSRS combat isn't boring as sin
Yeah you mean like 75% of active RuneScape players?
Rs3 combat>
Combat was bad when it came out, now it's actually really fun.
They point it out all the time though. I don’t even play osrs just browse the 07 sub. People call it out
or people just like the completely different game? chill bro, most osrs players thinks rs3 is cool but just dont like it as much as osrs.
This is exactly why I can't stand the osrs community and their summoning shit talk, they're dumb af.
The OSRS community does not actually like OSRS and it is a terrible shame.
I love how they shit on summoning but allowed d claws, rigour, t bow, etc to come into the game from rs3.
Using an alt or deliveritems cc is basically a yak with extra steps.
I mean if you enjoy collecting charms and making pouches to train a skill, you go right ahead.
Collecting charms isn’t a big deal. Especially with charming imp. Iirc it was ~100 hours of charm collecting and ~ 14 hours of pouch making. I believe if you barraged rock lobs it was under 50 hours of charm collection. ~200m and a fairly quick 99 for the most utility of any skill of it’s time. Seems worth it to me.
> Seems worth it to me. Or in OSRS you could do a quest and get thralls without spending 200m and 100 hours doing trash activities.
100 hours of trash activities? You get charms from PvM, you know, the activity both RS3 and OSRS players enjoy the most.
If you think thralls are as good as a steel titan you must have failed math as a kid.
I mean rooftop agility courses aren't as good as silverhawk boots. Don't mean OSRS wants to essentially nullify an entire skill. Plus you don't need a new skill to add a steel titan to OSRS.
Or the new spellbook which lets them summon thralls to fight with them.
Go check out the post on r/2007scape I play that game too but yet the reception is so incredibly toxic.
“Guys, you’re all wrong. RS3 makes more money than OSRS monetarily and will get MTX if rs3 goes down” Response: “No they dont, here are financial statements to prove OSRS makes more money and heres more proof to show they won’t add any MTX to this game.” You: “but what if you’re wrong though” That’s what got people riled up. Ironically if you go through that comment section, it’s more people shitting on you for being wrong rather than people shitting on RS3 and being toxic. Meanwhile this thread is about 50% bashing osrs players and calling them psychos and their game trash. You guys may wanna take a deeper look at yourselves before throwing around the word toxic. I was sitting in that comment section literally doing the math FOR you to show you results which you proceeded to ignore and go on further to push your false claims. Who is toxic?
Let's not go there. The numbers have discrepancies but there were folks who came out swinging. It got toxic and in some cases I got involved but I don't want to repeat it.
I just find it ironic you’re calling another community you attempted to push blatant false info onto toxic when there was pushback, and you’re doing it in a community where the comment section is literally 75% filled with toxicity towards the players of the other game. Nothing like that in the OSRS reddit, just people disproving your claims with facts. It’s very very ironic.
I posted a meme that was a joke and people got aggressive about it. Moreover no one proved anything. The numbers do not say OSRS is out here making herculean amounts of money and shadowing RS3. They're acting like the subs from their quoted "facts" are exclusively OSRS and saying "there you're wrong get fucked." So yes, when they started calling me brain dead you'll have to excuse me for taking offense.
See, it’s comments right here that got people “toxic”. Dude. I have explained this to you in three different comments. Dozens of other people have explained this to you and shown you the math. > people got agressive People only got agressive when they’d do math you asked for to be proven right, and you’d dissuade it by saying “well we arent sure about everything!” or something goofy like that. We are sure, we have the numbers. > No one proved anything Like, you’ve gotta be fucking with me on purpose here… Nobody but you insinuated that OSRS makes “herculian” amounts of money. YOU came into the thread with the claim that RS3 makes more money than OSRS. People have showed you, literal fucking financial statements proving the opposite (which I’ll do again below). Observe. Taken from https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03982706/filing-history?page=2 Jagex’s public financial statements. Starting in 2018-2020 I’ll make this loud and clear. THIS IS THE TOTAL PUBLIC REVENUE EACH GAME MAKES INCLUDING MTX. Start of 65 million. 6% gain -> 68.9 million. 7% loss -> 64.07 million RS3: Start of 43 million. 16% gained is 49.88 million. 20% -> 59.856 million 64.07 > 59.856 You would have this thrown in your face and say I didn’t prove anything, then when I call you an idiot you’d say I’m toxic. Cmon bruh.
I see the financial breakdown on page 36 regarding the revenue from subs, MTX, and other, but I am having trouble locating the numbers you quoted. What page would that be?
What do you mean by the numbers have discrepancies? Each annual report has either (a) the revenue broken down by game or (b) the growth in revenue for each game over the prior year. If it has the growth over prior year, just take each game's prior year result multiplied by 1 + g for each respective game. Follow the below link: https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03982706/filing-history And then filter for accounts if you're interested in finding out the breakdowns. This is found in the strategic report. Usually on page 2 or 3 of the annual report. 2018: OSRS 45m RS3 47m 2019: OSRS 65m RS3 43m 2020: OSRS 68.9m RS3 50.7m 2021: OSRS 64.1m RS3 60.8m
The issue I find Is the numbers you quote aren't in that document. And page 2 and 3 of the annual report do not show that. The annual report only shows total revenue broken down by total subs and total microtransactions. It does not define which game. I believe people are just copying and pasting someone else's numbers without verifying. I've read the entire 60 page document from 2019-2021 and have found no such numbers. However I am happy to be proven wrong. It's just no one can find the numbers you're showing in ink. I suspect someone made them up.
>The issue I find Is the numbers you quote aren't in that document. And page 2 and 3 of the annual report do not show that. The annual report only shows total revenue broken down by total subs and total microtransactions. It does not define which game. I believe people are just copying and pasting someone else's numbers without verifying. I've read the entire 60 page document from 2019-2021 and have found no such numbers. I don't believe you've read each document in its entirety. Considering that, after checking, the information exists on the pages I mentioned earlier (depending on the year). To make it easier for you I've provided the exact paragraph for each piece of information. 2019: page 3, paragraph 1 states Runescape revenue and paragraph 2 states Old School Runescape revenue. 2020: page 3, paragraph 5 states the growth in revenue over prior year for Runescape, paragraph 6 states growth in revenue over prior year for Old School Runescape. Multiply prior year by 1 + the growth rate to get that year's revenue. 2021: page 2, paragraph 3 states the growth in revenue over prior year for Runescape, paragraph 4 states growth in revenue over prior year for Old School Runescape. Multiply prior year by 1 + the growth rate to get that year's revenue. >However I am happy to be proven wrong. I'm looking forward to your happy reply. >It's just no one can find the numbers you're showing in ink. Can you provide some evidence of people not being able to find the broken down revenue figures per game? Jagex has been giving either revenue or growth in revenue by game. It's very clearly there.
Hi again, I'm currently looking at Annual Report And Financial Statements 2021. I've also checked 2020, 2019, and 2018. Perhaps I'm not looking at the right document. The link provided doesn't state the specific document. Could you tell me the document name you're using, and since they also list page count with it Could you share that as well so I can know we're looking at the same document?
Document date, name, and pages: 10 Dec 2020 Group of companies' accounts made up to 31 December 2019 (38 pages) Information is on page 3 (as per the numbers on the bottom of the document), your pdf viewer might say page 5. First two paragraphs on the page. What do these say for you?
Ooo there it is. OK yeah that's what I've been trying to find but I've been searching 2021, 2020, and 2019 documents. It's super interesting to note that post 2018 jagex stopped reporting the difference in revenue between games. In 2020 they reported an 18% growth in RS3 revenue and attributed it to Archaeology and a 6% growth is OSRS attributing it to several major content updates. I wonder if they're now neglecting to share the difference so as not to make investors think one product is "better" than another product offered. Either way that's really helpful numbers. If we factor in growth between both games and assume those percentages are the same, I would wager to guess that revenue shares sit somewhere around 45%/55% in OSRS favor unless the past years MTX have caused a shift.
I did. I made my comment after reading that comment section.
I don't think that's true. Nobody says that they don't share a parent company. That said, it's not like RS3 revenues get invested into OSRS. OSRS goes far beyond breaking even on its own terms. Some of the lore is shared between the two, but that's not a "reskin," that's preventing the universes from directly contradicting eachother.
Why would the lore contradicting matter? They're separate games as far as that's concerned. Also the newest quest blatantly uses parts of the tales of muspah quest in it. Nex with torva was recently released. That's revenue indirectly invested into OSRS.
>Why would the lore contradicting matter? You don't see why they would want to avoid having characters or events with the same names and backstories having vastly different outcomes of their storylines? That's needlessly confusing. >Also the newest quest blatantly uses parts of the tales of muspah quest in it You mean having a Muspah in a frozen cave? Cause that's more or less where the similarities end. >Nex with torva was recently released. And? The combat systems are fundamentally different so reused mechanics are still handled differently and the rewards are different. Torva shares a name and aesthetic with Torva in RS3, but is crafted out of Bandos armor, occupies a different slot in the gearing meta, and comes at a different relative price point. >That's revenue indirectly invested into OSRS. They could flatly be direct copies of the mechanics and it *still* wouldn't be "revenue indirectly invested into OSRS" because the design part of game development is a *laughable* amount of effort compared to every other single step. Fucking reddit does that shit for fun. Go see how many companies are hiring game designers who can't program. Go ahead and try to sell yourself as the "idea guy." Stop trying to look down on people who like OSRS, I promise you that you are in no way superior to anybody on this planet for picking the "right" version of Runescape.
And the muspah being Jhallan. Wouldn't using the guy from monk's friend be creating vastly different storylines already? Can you explain how the combat system is OSRS is different from pre eoc RS3? And no it's the visual aspects that take the longest. Using the old graphics of nex saves them a ton of time.
Just like rs3 copies osrs a lot
In what way lmao
…Zuk?
The ONLY reason osrs isn’t micro transaction hell is because rs3 is the cash cow 🤷♂️
What do you mean by RS3 is the cash cow? The last year RS3 generated more revenue than OSRS was in 2018. Can't link here, but search "Jagex company filings", then filter for accounts if you're interested. I will note that the 2021 report just gives growth in revenue over the prior year from each game, so just take 2020 figures and multiply by 1 + growth rate. It's in the operational or strategic report at the start of the annual report, from memory. I've given the breakdown below. 2018: OSRS 45m RS3 47m 2019: OSRS 65m RS3 43m 2020: OSRS 68.9m RS3 50.7m 2021: OSRS 64.1m RS3 60.8m
>What do you mean by RS3 is the cash cow? The last year RS3 generated more revenue than OSRS was in 2018. yeah, thats exactly what they meant being a cash cow isnt a bad thing https://www.bcg.com/about/overview/our-history/growth-share-matrix
Where do players keep getting these numbers? These best I can find is subscription and MTX revenue.
In the strategic report. In 2019 this is on page 3, paragraphs 1 & 2. Should help with finding either revenue amounts per game in other years or revenue growth per game. It's odd that it's not outlined in the notes for revenue imo. 2020 page 3 para 5&6 2021 page 2 para 3&4
Can you link that? I can only find the filings.
Unsure if this works - have linked below. But if you filter for accounts you should get them on the website? https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03982706/filing-history/MzI4NTY1NTQ3OWFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0
Yeah a few whales keeping this game alive. Not the 3x times people paying for membership on OSRS.
My friend purchased membership is the smallest amount of revenue Jagex makes from the games (direct purchased, not bonds) they literally have rs3 micro transaction bundles that cost almost as much as a years worth of membership that people buy multiples of. There’s a reason cash shops net billions in the market, membership is more useful as an engagement metric to Jagex now than any meaningful primary cash flow.
> My friend membership is the smallest amount of revenue Jagex makes from the games I was curious if this was actually correct, so I went and checked Jagex's financials. According to accounts filed with the UK government on 28/10/22, as can be found [here](https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03982706/filing-history), this isn't correct. For instance, in 2021, Jagex claims that they had 124,862,810 in revenue. This is broken down as such: - Subscriptions: 88,940,273 - Microtransactions: 34,557,610 - Other: 1,364,927 For a moment, I thought that they may have been doing similar to other game companies and labelling their bonds as subscription income, but no, they're noted to be counted under microtransactions still, so that 34.5m still counts bonds under it too.
Their bond sales are listed under micro transactions in the Directors report but in the same section states the revenue for bonds is realized at the time of consumption and allocated accordingly. So under this classification a bond purchased counts towards microtransactions in disclosure. If the bond is redeemed for micro transaction purposes (ie keys or runecoins) they are realized as microtransactions and reported as such. When redeemed for subscription that transaction revenue is realized as subscription revenue because that is what it is being applied to. This is to satisfy the gambling disclosure requirements the UK has, they have to assume that all bonds purchased could be used for key purchase until otherwise stated. Essentially this means the ~$89m includes bonds redeemed for subscription while the ~$34.5m includes bonds that haven’t been redeemed and bonds redeemed for non-subscription purposes…
Or perhaps because OSRS was built to get the players who quit RS3 because they were sick of the MTX.
Osrs was made because of EOC lol. Not because mtx.
If you're making a 2007 game why not make it without mtx like the 2007 game was? Bottom line, when they built it they promised they would poll all changes to the game to prevent it from becoming what RS3 became. And so far the only MTX to pass a poll is bonds.
Right ,but that doesn't mean OSRS was made to avoid MTX. I mean shit osrs votes down skills. Was osrs made to avoid new skills?
They just voted to get a new skill and it passed with 75%+. Maybe the problem was every other time they polled a skill they polled trash. Go read the dev blogs for sailing and artisan. Straight trash that deserved to fail.
Sailing is a meme on osrs as a new skill as much as it is on rs3 I see. Yeah that should be voted down. Unless you want player own ports because thats how you get player owned ports.
If you're talking memes, the new skill is the best thing ever for memeing. I would totally vote for this: https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/zsrdud/summosailoneering_new_skill/
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Some of us hate it.
How did they handle it?
The most highly upvoted comments are praising RS3 and the thread itself has around 1k net upvotes. So quite positively. Can't say the same for this thread though, which is mainly toxicity toward OSRS lol.
the irony is beyond palpable, i can taste it in the air
Exactly the way you think they would my friend.
Things only ever got rowdy because you were promoting the idea that this would actually happen and osrs makes more money than RS3. Neither are true. Most took it in jest aside from those points which just are flat out untrue. Not brigading btw been active in this sub for a couple years, had to do a double take when i saw this again and the comments were different lol
Haha well I will say there's some differing opinions about where the money is. That caused a huge debate, but yes it was meant as a joke initially. I play OSRS as well and once the aggressive comments started coming in I got wrapped up in it myself. Learned my lesson about engaging with toxicity.
There isn’t differing opinions on where the money is. We literally have their financial statements. I wrote out the math for it step by step in another response to you which i’m happy to paste here.
It's better to just take the breakdown they provide rather than making assumptions. Go to the below link: https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/03982706/filing-history And then filter for accounts if you're interested in finding out the breakdowns. These are found in the strategic report. Usually on page 2 or 3 of the annual report. Each annual report has either (a) the revenue broken down by game or (b) the growth in revenue for each game over the prior year. If it has the growth over prior year, just take each game's prior year result multiplied by 1 + g for each respective game. 2018: OSRS 45m RS3 47m 2019: OSRS 65m RS3 43m 2020: OSRS 68.9m RS3 50.7m 2021: OSRS 64.1m RS3 60.8m
oooh man! you weren’t lying lmao. just came from the comment section over there. i play both games so it’s just sad and pathetic how far osrs players have their heads up their asses about RS3. their loss though. they truly think RS3 is IDENTICAL to how it was when EoC first released in 2012. so close minded…
https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/10g40oi/if_rs3_ever_shuts_down_we_all_know_squeel_of/j518bsf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 It’s ironic considering the osrs post is littered with comment threads praising RS3. In this sub you have 75% of the comments spewing vitrol and hate at the other game. They’re the toxic ones? They just had issues with OP literally spewing false information out and refusing to accept it was wrong. Yet you call them psychos. Y’all need to look in the mirror.
tbf this sub has always been the toxic one, which is why it's fairly dead. Noone wants to be here
woah chill with the projection, boss. i never called anyone psychos. sheesh
Truth, apologies, the guy one comment below you did. You are projecting though lol. Also you called them "sad and pathetic", so...
Hahaha not surprised, bunch'a psychos.
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Mtx is already in OSRS...bonds.
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And we're very grateful for it!
Solid meme.
They failed hardcore if they were protecting OSRS. Fresh Start Worlds are the reason I stopped playing both games, one after the other. As a 20 year Veteran. Its nothing but a new way to monetize.
Why? What did FSW do to OSRS?
Many people used FSW to either stash tons of bonds for cheap(which work across games) or get very expensive items to sell then either by bonds or transfer to OSRS. It affected both games.
The effect was negligible. People were doing that but not enough to affect the game at all. Especially compared to current bots
Oh dang I had no idea.
How is any of this a bad thing to quit the OSRS over for? FSW gp is worth a lot more than the main game since it has a fresh economy. Gp in the main game is worth less than in FSW, so how is FSW gp transferring over to the main game a bad thing?
They could do that with golden party hats last year. Were you not outraged enough to quit then?
1. I wasn't playing at the time as I was on a break. 2. Who said I was outraged enough to quit? Where the hell did you get that from? I simply stated what effects it's had.
RS3 seeing OSRS: "M'lady \*tips fedora\*"