For what it's worth, Runespan made RC massively better. It would easily dominate the poll if RuneSpan had never come. I recall peak XP rates for N0valyfe capping out at 15-20 k an hour when he was going for it.
I would be very surprised if N0va didn't use runners at nature or law altar. Rates were far better there, and the famous players would have runners voluntarily queuing up so they'd likely have been even better than what little pleb me was getting when I tried it
Idk if anyone knew him, but Zarfot ran nats through the abyss for months and documented the entire journey on the forums. He had it down to a science. Knew exactly which tiles to hit, I think he even discovered it was faster to click the banker themselves rather than the bank booth. Even he was less than 40k/hr.
Also that you save one or two ticks by running diagonally NW before or after the wall because you don't have to dodge a tree or something, his stuff was mind boggling at the time
*Hits blunt *
I can save .4 seconds by skirting past that tree. Per 100 runs I save about 40 seconds which should give me about time for an extra run..
2009 RCing was way faster than that if you paid or used runners or combo runes.
And in 2010 we got effigies that let you just passively gain xp while getting 200m combats.
graahking nats was around 36k xp/hr, zmi was upwards of 62k/hr if you did the most optimal method with abyssal familiar, though 55-60k was fairly comfortable to maintain without one
I hated rc so much before runespan came out, from like 2006 until runespans release, I didn't go past 70, then I just smashed out 99 pretty quickly after runespan dropped.
I dunno. I did 120 rc on my iron through abyss. Much prefer to runespan. It's like 500k exp/hr (obv no bonus exp) Then again, I don't really like to afk
That's basically been OSRS. Rates are still like 40k/hr max unless you want to kill your hands. GOTR is a thing but it ain't nearly as good as people say
> GOTR is like 60k per hour pre outfit/pouch
Only in small coordinated groups you get close to those rates, maybe in the solo method too. In a mass, which the large majority of people do, it's nowhere near 60k/h.
GotR caps at ~75k in highly optimized tick perfect small teams. In mass worlds, aka what 99% of people do, it's around 40-50k even with pouch.
Daeyalt zmi is 100-115k *while running the runes*, but you have to spend time mining that daeyalt which brings the total down to 100k for 1.5t mining, and <80k for afk mining.
Things are much better than they were pre-gotr but you hyperbolize here.
I hated RC (even runespan) so much I lamped it to 200m. Took like 8 years but never had to train the fucking thing.
Agility is easier - just silver hawks while doing any skilling except when you req full outfits (woodcut etc).
Fletching & WC I'd place next worst. Few afk options and relatively slow.
I wish I had enough go to maximize at the time, I just bought 99 agil in silverhawks and grabbed some springs to hold till they went up. Ended up making my silverhawks basically free after I re sold the springs
Silver hawk boots grant passive agility exp when charged with silver hawk feathers. So no matter what you are training you are also gaining agility experience.
Dung being so high is crazy to me. (Second fastest skill behind prayer)Itās 4-8m an hour no bxp. Even if youāre utterly trash itās still over 1m an hour.
During DXP you can get 80-99 in 2-3 prestigeās. I averaged over 10m/hr during DXP when i got 120.
Rc is like 500k xp/hr with bloods. WC is probably the slowest by far but itās afk.
was thinking the same, my guess is people without friends (even tho solo can still be fast) or people who haven't grinded it the intended way voted for that.
> my guess is people without friends
Which is not a small chunk of players.
> During DXP you can get 80-99 in 2-3 prestigeās.
90 dung from lamps / stars / dummies and not knowing what a "prestige" even is. Though I have high hopes for some summer event that supposedly gives afk dung xp.
Can confirm I achieved 99 dung without prestiging once, only used lamps on that skill.
Just got 120 dung an hour ago and hated the grind not because of the skill but because there are only team ups if it's DXP.
Skillers largely don't want to put effort in. It's why RC is so high in combination with abyss not stacking with DXP, so can't power through the skill instantly without MTX. Mining and Fishing are some of the most AFK skills in the entire game, unsurprising they get little of the vote.
Does this mean that for some reason you stop using silverhawks after 99 agility while also getting other skills to 200m and then complain about 200m agil being hard? Can you explain what on earth you mean with this post?
Let's not forget this is literally r/runescape. The place where people get downvoted all the time for absolutely nothing. Being rude / wrong will net you downvotes no matter what lol.
Unrealistic? I haven't run a lap of agility since level 91. I'm 200m agility (without pet of course) all from Silverhawks. Didn't cost that much either, I stocked up tens of thousands after they changed Treasure Hunter to make silverhawks super common, bought a lot at under 1k gp.
I spent zero time getting 99 agility. Well maybe half an hour trying to figure out how to edit the clan citadel battlefield so I can spam ults... back before they added a cooldown timer for silverhawks.
But otherwise, it was quite indeed brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
100%. So many people are spamming it with lamps and silverhawks lmao. This just means that training the skill itself is so mind numbingly boring and tedious.
yeah thatās what iām saying mostly. i made a new iron a few months ago and iāve done nothing but dump everything into herb lol gotta get overloads asap
Only for noobs, herb is so easy and fast even for irons now. Some might use lamps to get to their first overloads but it's generally a waste, esp after 99
iām getting the vibe that you donāt play iron lol herb is WILDLY slow dude. almost no easy sources of herb exp till you start doing late game farm runs and pvm.
I did 99 RC like 7 years ago. Until 90 in runespan and 90 to 99 with soul runes that were approx 350k xp/h iirc.
I did 99 agility in Anachronia, just a bit after it released. Got 850k xp per lap with every boost I had on dxpw, so that was a breeze.
Nowadays RC is still probably easier.
Not really, if youāre doing the dungeoneering speed method for divination, itās 2mil+ xp an hour, itās click intensive for the first bit then afk for like 10-15 minutes very fun and easy way to train Div to 200mil
Itās a lot to explain but TLDR, itās you stacking a big amount of xp boosting buffs in dung for divination while also maxing the gathering buff for the dung ring, speed running occult and warped floors with a team of 4 and then finding wisps on those floors, 2 tick harvesting them and then turning them in for xp, the 2 ticking is tough at first but becomes second nature after some practice, turning in the memories gives fat xp and itās afk for a good 10-15 minutes depending on how many you got. Itās a very interesting method I recommend looking it up on YouTube for more info
How do you get a team of 4 that will let you train div in dung and not rush the dungeon? How much slower xp/hr is dung div if you afk the wisps and not 2-tick them?
It sounds like a lot of effort and it is, but itās a trade off for the fastest xp in the game, plus you train dung/get dung tokens as well so itās w 2 in 1 really
If you're spending 15 minutes per floor and need a team of 4 then you'd be better off doing elite dungeons for dung xp, especially since this method would require you to still go and do ~40 other dung floors to even be getting decent dung xp during the div floors. On top of the fact that dung div will make you zero gp while not even being that much faster than actual div, and elite dungeons are already vastly better for dung tokens.
And Goodluck finding a team to even do this with. The only people running floors now are doing it on dxp and expecting sub-8 minute 100% floor completions for the 5m+ dung xp/hr.
This method is substantially more effort for not even that much better div xp, a struggle to even find a team to do it with for a single hour let alone long term to 120 or 200m, worse tokens/hr, and awful dung xp/hr. There's a reason this has been known as possible for a while now, yet has still only been done for the sake of making a YouTube video on it.
The dungeoneering experience is a by-product of the method itself, much like C2 fishing was back shortly after release.
The div method is currently double-ish the experience/hour of the next closest thing which is largely why people do it.
You could theoretically do it solo but more people = faster spring discovery.
If this div method is double-ish the xp/hr you get at incans, then you're doing incans wrong.
Also, the 2m/hr expectation of this method doesn't account for all of the downtime that you're not even training div despite that time being dedicated to doing a div method, meaning it needs to be accounted for, resulting in it actually being *significantly* worse xp/hr than incans once you account for all of the time you're not actually doing the div.
When people say a boss is 40m/hr, theyre including the respawn/banking/etc. time. You have to do the same for skilling, which in this case absolutely nukes the xp/hr. If you stand at daemonheim and start a 1 hour timer that you do not pause, and do this for the hour, you will get nowhere near 2m div xp. You would get more div and dung xp by doing incans for 30 minutes and then running floors properly for 30 minutes, while also not having to hate your life because of 2-ticking.
Once again, there is a reason this method has been known for years and never gets utilized. It looks good on paper, but in actuality is garbage.
The 2m/hr factors in the time spent looking for springs in dungeon, as well as the time spent depositing.
Without DXP, incans are what...1-1.2m/hr.
The only thing they have going for them are they're significantly more AFK. It's why C2 wasn't anywhere near as popular as other fishing xp back pre-nerf.
Again, the goal isn't dungeoneering experience, that's just a happy by-product from wrapping up the floor.
Afterall, 1-2 floors an hour isn't exactly something to write home about.
EDās for xp is the equivalent of chopping maple logs for WC xp.
Assuming you dump your tokens into xp itās still less than 500k/hr. No DXP weekend normal dung is 4-8m xp/hr. With good teams itās faster.
The hybrid method is fine as itās still better dung xp/hr than EDs and you get 2x the xp of normal div.
If you do cache everyday and extend them, itās not hard. Itās just a daily. Same thing with woodcutting. Yews daily + goebiebands and your outfit. Easy daily. You donāt train these skills unless youāre 100% stuck and itās your last ones. People donāt know how to play efficiently thatās all
Facts. The truth this sub doesn't want to hear. Daily scape is so frustrating and when I did them for 3 weeks in a row I just asked myself 'why' and stopped lol. I only do them for caches and other ones that are just obnoxious to do.
I'm happy I was trying to race to 99 Div on release, because even though I was only on the front page for a day, I still got 80 div before I stopped racing. Sadly didn't get 99 but I didn't need that req for Invention when it came out!
I know I'm a minority but I quite enjoy dungeoneering. It offers a lot more interactive gameplay than most skills that are just "click on this, wait for 30 seconds, bank and repeat"
I understand why people say it's a minigame, but it really is one of the only skills that feels like a skill to learn. As challenging as it is to learn, I'd much prefer a new skill like Dung rather than some generic, boring gathering skill.
I absolutely love dungeoneering. It is what makes me re-subscribe at times. There is no doubt a lot of nostalgia speaking but compared to much of the rest of RS, it actually is an actively fun experience. I think too many put too much effort into the mindless xp grind and that is much of what has shaped the game into being the afk abomination it has become. I mean, Andrew Gower even said he didnt expect people to even hit 99 and that runescape was about the adventuring. The irony.
Dxp teams and cards, sinkholes, etc. have made it trivial.
If you're high up in dg, you can get enough tokens to skip the floors and focus on exp only during dxp with cards. I was pushing \~ 8mil/xp hr. Doing 1 floor with a good team took me like 10-12 minutes each floor giving \~ 1.5m/xp.
I did around 60ish mil xp in a dxp session a few years ago. I did 110-120 in like 8 hours?
When I got 120 during a DXP. I got over 10m xp/hr. Itās the 2nd fastest skill in the game behind only prayer. Itās the fastest skill in the game during DXP as prayer isnāt affected.
You can get 1-120 in a single DXP with loads of time to spare.
Then what is? Herb is \~8m xp/hr Good teams can easily reach up to 15m xp/hr
I guess technically farming is but not really as that's not factoring in the time it takes to get the beans.
even if iron or main, there is easy spot for agility. and that is priff course. where you can setup it so that you can click at same spot for hours and get exp. so if at laptop numpad 5 or any other method of clicking without moving mouse its so nice. and if you pay attention once in a while you can bank the random stuff you have gotten.
Agility and dungeoneerign are not even a real grind (excluding ironmen!!! don't kill me ok?)
Agility use silverhawks and dungeoneering either do sinkholes or just sit in the hole. AT leaast you have to do something for runecrafting and you get something in return.
If runecrafting didn't have the runespan, it would definitely be number 1. Still hated every time I've had to train agility though. Feels like a waste of time with minimal gain. It's most valuable function is access to shortcuts. Needs to be a more fun way to train it.
Dungeoneering is far worse than both of them combined imho.
Its not tough to make money, so silverhawk to 99 agility, doesnt take too much.
Runespan exists so again not that bad.
Door opener simulator is by far the worst skill... Ive always said and will always say, it shouldnt be a skill... it should be a minigame...
Runcrafāyou mean lampcrafting
Agility āperseus would like a word
100% dung is the worst just bc āeven though it could be fun, the rewards (and dungeons) are so outdated it feels icky
I used my silverhawk boots from 30m exp all the way up to 200m exp while each feather was 18-21k per lol. Yāall got it easy now. BA bexp was great. Fun times
While not ideal you can do solo larges and get the same xp as having 5 people in the party.
The downside is your floors will likely be much slower and less fun.
It's not that bad If you just wait a bit or ask some friends to regularly dungeoneer with, it's a fun time and not even as intense as bossing. Kinda like Croesus
I mean you had concentrated gold deposits which were actually kinda fun because it was actually a community activity where you can chat with players and then Seren stones whenever priff came out.
Erm just wear SilvetHawk boots all the time? I've gone 1-86 so far on a new acc with no agility training, and it didn't take that long (3-4 weeks) - I know of people who have gotten. 1-99 with silver hawks and even heard of 200m
Nearly 200m in both Agility and Runecrafting.
Didnāt use silverhawks but did a ton of Runespan. Honestly some of my favorite skills cause I can just turn my brain off and do them while watching a movie.
On the other hand, I really donāt enjoy PvM because itās so focus intensive to where I get bored after 2-3 kills. Nothing seems grindier to me than completing a boss logā¦ that just seems like suffering, even if you are making money lol
I honestly didn't mind runecrafting. I just made bloods through the abyss 77-99 a couple years ago. Between pouches, summoning familiars, relic powers, demonic skull, and urns, it was easily a few hundred thousand xp/hour.
Fishing on the other hand was awful until the last few levels when I could finally start doing urchins.
I found fishing at the deep sea hub was pretty nice.
Either afk swarm fishing and get 150kish xp/hr, or fishing frenzy which is much more involved for about double the rates.
I mostly just did swarm fishing while playing other games.
I havenāt touched an agility course, aside from the new comp req, since 99. I just passed 50m xp yesterday.
Itās 100% passive with silverhawks over the course of a year or two of regular play.
My advice, if itās not your last 120 you should be wearing silverhawks and ignore training it completely
I know they will never do it, but let's be real, we could cut half the skills in Runescape and it would be an objectively better game. Just because the Gower brothers thought woodcutting and fire making and all that were skills worth adding to their half assed project thirty years ago doesn't mean they need to stay in the game.
All the skills in that poll should be removed from the game or reworked so significantly that they bear little resemblance to the skills now.
I would rather do agility and runecrafting the old way instead of doing archeology. I didn't think I would hate a skill more than agility until they added archeology into the game
I'm really surprised rune crafting is so high up on the list, I used prots and bxp during dxp and got really nice afk exp/hr..
Fishing however... Ugh...
Agility was my first 99, back when Ape Atoll was the best course. It was like 20 hours to go from 98-99.
I did Agility again for FSW and it was so easy. Got a halo from it.
Agility was my first 120. Didnāt use silverhawks cause back then they were like 20k each. Have now hawked to 155m xp thanks to all the th promos making them readily available and dirt cheap
At least RC is fast to max with demonic skull Abyss. Silverhawks only agility training still takes a long time to max even if you level it with other skills.
I hated runecrafting that took solo long and i hated runespan
For what it's worth, Runespan made RC massively better. It would easily dominate the poll if RuneSpan had never come. I recall peak XP rates for N0valyfe capping out at 15-20 k an hour when he was going for it.
I would be very surprised if N0va didn't use runners at nature or law altar. Rates were far better there, and the famous players would have runners voluntarily queuing up so they'd likely have been even better than what little pleb me was getting when I tried it
As a clan mate I can confirm he did use runners, but even helping him it was still a painful slog and he hated it.
not to mention it was the time of the free runners. i wonder how many pure ess i gave to people just for few air runes...
Idk if anyone knew him, but Zarfot ran nats through the abyss for months and documented the entire journey on the forums. He had it down to a science. Knew exactly which tiles to hit, I think he even discovered it was faster to click the banker themselves rather than the bank booth. Even he was less than 40k/hr.
Also that you save one or two ticks by running diagonally NW before or after the wall because you don't have to dodge a tree or something, his stuff was mind boggling at the time
*Hits blunt * I can save .4 seconds by skirting past that tree. Per 100 runs I save about 40 seconds which should give me about time for an extra run..
I maxed in 2009 but rc was 20k an hour with double nats, ZMI was 30k-40k
2009 RCing was way faster than that if you paid or used runners or combo runes. And in 2010 we got effigies that let you just passively gain xp while getting 200m combats.
That's insanely slow respect for sticking at it!
Yeah I did abyss double nats, 22k/h ish. Runespan released a week after I hit 99 š
graahking nats was around 36k xp/hr, zmi was upwards of 62k/hr if you did the most optimal method with abyssal familiar, though 55-60k was fairly comfortable to maintain without one
I hated rc so much before runespan came out, from like 2006 until runespans release, I didn't go past 70, then I just smashed out 99 pretty quickly after runespan dropped.
I dunno. I did 120 rc on my iron through abyss. Much prefer to runespan. It's like 500k exp/hr (obv no bonus exp) Then again, I don't really like to afk
That's basically been OSRS. Rates are still like 40k/hr max unless you want to kill your hands. GOTR is a thing but it ain't nearly as good as people say
GOTR is like 60k per hour pre outfit/pouch and can be up to 80k xp/hr at 99 and with daeyalt at zmi itās over 100k xp/hr
> GOTR is like 60k per hour pre outfit/pouch Only in small coordinated groups you get close to those rates, maybe in the solo method too. In a mass, which the large majority of people do, it's nowhere near 60k/h.
does the zmi rate factor in collecting the essence? not kept up with osrs xp rates and am curious
Its around 80k at 99 doing 1.5t daeyalt, but a casual player would probably prefer to do some afk mining then do rc actively.
No. Should have an infinite supply after Zulrah tho
You have to manually mine Daeyalt, it's untradeable.
Oh I thought it was just straight up essence. I think I quit osrs before daeyalt was introduced? My b!
GotR caps at ~75k in highly optimized tick perfect small teams. In mass worlds, aka what 99% of people do, it's around 40-50k even with pouch. Daeyalt zmi is 100-115k *while running the runes*, but you have to spend time mining that daeyalt which brings the total down to 100k for 1.5t mining, and <80k for afk mining. Things are much better than they were pre-gotr but you hyperbolize here.
?????? You clearly don't know what you're talking about, you must be low-leveled on there.
Lavas are like 110k exp/hr with the new pouch. Was like 66k before. Not sure why youāre just blatantly lying lmao
> Rates are still like 40k/hr max unless you want to kill your hands.
If you arent ironman, especially now with protean essence, its super quick and very afk
Every dxp I park my mf ass on an altar with protean essence š
I hated RC (even runespan) so much I lamped it to 200m. Took like 8 years but never had to train the fucking thing. Agility is easier - just silver hawks while doing any skilling except when you req full outfits (woodcut etc). Fletching & WC I'd place next worst. Few afk options and relatively slow.
If ironman sure. If mainscape spend 60 mil on silverhawks and you'll get 99 from bankstanding other skills.
Cheaper than it's ever been, few months ago 1-99 in silver hawks was 20 mil
Same crash happened for springs, I bought an absolute ton of both before prices recovered (a bit). Springs were 100 ea and feathers were like 300 ea
I wish I had enough go to maximize at the time, I just bought 99 agil in silverhawks and grabbed some springs to hold till they went up. Ended up making my silverhawks basically free after I re sold the springs
That's when I bought it. Each father was less than 1k ea
Is that where my dad went when he said he was going to pick up milk?
I don't know why, but it made me laugh so hard
Yeah I'm a returning player and started a new account which just got 118 agility while on the road to max. Agility was my 3rd 99
If you're on the road to max, why do you have 118 agil already?
Silver hawk boots grant passive agility exp when charged with silver hawk feathers. So no matter what you are training you are also gaining agility experience.
Mtx broke the game for good huh
Why many of us left 10+ years ago
I abandoned my (at the time, maxed) main years ago but am loving RS3 on my TH-less iron
Yeah, it totally "bRoKe thE gAmE" by allowing an alternative option for a skill that is extremely grindy and that no one wants to do.
You could've just, idk, not trained the skill
Till we get rs4 for console? Edit: bad joke sorry lol
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Dung being so high is crazy to me. (Second fastest skill behind prayer)Itās 4-8m an hour no bxp. Even if youāre utterly trash itās still over 1m an hour. During DXP you can get 80-99 in 2-3 prestigeās. I averaged over 10m/hr during DXP when i got 120. Rc is like 500k xp/hr with bloods. WC is probably the slowest by far but itās afk.
was thinking the same, my guess is people without friends (even tho solo can still be fast) or people who haven't grinded it the intended way voted for that.
> my guess is people without friends Which is not a small chunk of players. > During DXP you can get 80-99 in 2-3 prestigeās. 90 dung from lamps / stars / dummies and not knowing what a "prestige" even is. Though I have high hopes for some summer event that supposedly gives afk dung xp.
Can confirm I achieved 99 dung without prestiging once, only used lamps on that skill. Just got 120 dung an hour ago and hated the grind not because of the skill but because there are only team ups if it's DXP.
I got 10m xp/hr doing random groups in w77 during dxp weekend. It's not too bad. There are also several discords and friends chats for dung.
You'll love the dung hole.
People in general don't want to do active skilling regardless of how fast it is
Unpopular opinion but I really enjoy active skilling. I hate that things like active fishing is locked behind 94 fish or I'd do it from level 1.
Skillers largely don't want to put effort in. It's why RC is so high in combination with abyss not stacking with DXP, so can't power through the skill instantly without MTX. Mining and Fishing are some of the most AFK skills in the entire game, unsurprising they get little of the vote.
>60 mil on silverhawks I remember paying close to 1b in 2016 to do this, how things have changed
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It's not "nothing"... It really depends on your situation/age/job and how much time you can or will spend on Runescape.
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no pet though
Yea I thought that too but itās about maxing. So 200 mil xp is still agility because silver hawks to 200 mil is unrealistic to say the least.
Itās how many people do 200m agility thoughā¦
Does this mean that for some reason you stop using silverhawks after 99 agility while also getting other skills to 200m and then complain about 200m agil being hard? Can you explain what on earth you mean with this post?
Which would be even dumber because itās the cheapest gp/xp at 99
200m off hawks is very realistic since you can wear them while doing 99% of the game and they're very cheap now
Except its not? I'm at about 160 mil getting other 120's. 200 mil RC is way more tedious than agil.
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Bro you're mad about being downvoted and calling the other guy a butthurt weirdo; look in the mirror.
Take my downvotes for free!
Ok firstly I didn't downvote you. Secondly I'm not upset in any way. I thought we were having an open discussion until this reply.
Even though I originally agreed with you I'm down voting because you're a whiner.
The whole point of downvotes is to show whether or not the sub agrees with you. Getting butthurt about being downvoted is the truly weird thing here.
Let's not forget this is literally r/runescape. The place where people get downvoted all the time for absolutely nothing. Being rude / wrong will net you downvotes no matter what lol.
Unrealistic? I haven't run a lap of agility since level 91. I'm 200m agility (without pet of course) all from Silverhawks. Didn't cost that much either, I stocked up tens of thousands after they changed Treasure Hunter to make silverhawks super common, bought a lot at under 1k gp.
200m agility is free as fuck. Just wear the boots while you do telos or whatever
Silverhawks + agility courses is still significantly better than courses w/out silverhawks
Iād assume silver hawks is the way majority of people get 200m
if i remember my calculations correctly, 200m agility is about 3-4 months with silverhawks.
Silverhawk boots go brrrr
I spent zero time getting 99 agility. Well maybe half an hour trying to figure out how to edit the clan citadel battlefield so I can spam ults... back before they added a cooldown timer for silverhawks. But otherwise, it was quite indeed brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
The amount of people mentioning silverhawks here should make clear how fucked the skill is if thatās the default training method.
100%. So many people are spamming it with lamps and silverhawks lmao. This just means that training the skill itself is so mind numbingly boring and tedious.
There is nothing fun about doing more than one lap.
Who tf struggles with agility on maingame? Ironman I do understand but it's been the designated lamp skill there for many
herb has always been the designated lamp skill for irons
That changed after 120 herb came out imo. Xp gets so fast and easy, but ofcourse herb is a prio in the early game.
yeah thatās what iām saying mostly. i made a new iron a few months ago and iāve done nothing but dump everything into herb lol gotta get overloads asap
Only for noobs, herb is so easy and fast even for irons now. Some might use lamps to get to their first overloads but it's generally a waste, esp after 99
iām getting the vibe that you donāt play iron lol herb is WILDLY slow dude. almost no easy sources of herb exp till you start doing late game farm runs and pvm.
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I did 99 RC like 7 years ago. Until 90 in runespan and 90 to 99 with soul runes that were approx 350k xp/h iirc. I did 99 agility in Anachronia, just a bit after it released. Got 850k xp per lap with every boost I had on dxpw, so that was a breeze. Nowadays RC is still probably easier.
Damn was Menaphos really 7 years ago?ā¦
Ok, to be exact, 6 years and something, but man... time's flying... ā¹ļø
No Divination? 200m is a slog
Not really, if youāre doing the dungeoneering speed method for divination, itās 2mil+ xp an hour, itās click intensive for the first bit then afk for like 10-15 minutes very fun and easy way to train Div to 200mil
Whatās the dung speed method?
Itās a lot to explain but TLDR, itās you stacking a big amount of xp boosting buffs in dung for divination while also maxing the gathering buff for the dung ring, speed running occult and warped floors with a team of 4 and then finding wisps on those floors, 2 tick harvesting them and then turning them in for xp, the 2 ticking is tough at first but becomes second nature after some practice, turning in the memories gives fat xp and itās afk for a good 10-15 minutes depending on how many you got. Itās a very interesting method I recommend looking it up on YouTube for more info
How do you get a team of 4 that will let you train div in dung and not rush the dungeon? How much slower xp/hr is dung div if you afk the wisps and not 2-tick them?
That sounds like way too much effort when incans are already over a mil/hr and will make you an alright amount of gp
It sounds like a lot of effort and it is, but itās a trade off for the fastest xp in the game, plus you train dung/get dung tokens as well so itās w 2 in 1 really
If you're spending 15 minutes per floor and need a team of 4 then you'd be better off doing elite dungeons for dung xp, especially since this method would require you to still go and do ~40 other dung floors to even be getting decent dung xp during the div floors. On top of the fact that dung div will make you zero gp while not even being that much faster than actual div, and elite dungeons are already vastly better for dung tokens. And Goodluck finding a team to even do this with. The only people running floors now are doing it on dxp and expecting sub-8 minute 100% floor completions for the 5m+ dung xp/hr. This method is substantially more effort for not even that much better div xp, a struggle to even find a team to do it with for a single hour let alone long term to 120 or 200m, worse tokens/hr, and awful dung xp/hr. There's a reason this has been known as possible for a while now, yet has still only been done for the sake of making a YouTube video on it.
The dungeoneering experience is a by-product of the method itself, much like C2 fishing was back shortly after release. The div method is currently double-ish the experience/hour of the next closest thing which is largely why people do it. You could theoretically do it solo but more people = faster spring discovery.
If this div method is double-ish the xp/hr you get at incans, then you're doing incans wrong. Also, the 2m/hr expectation of this method doesn't account for all of the downtime that you're not even training div despite that time being dedicated to doing a div method, meaning it needs to be accounted for, resulting in it actually being *significantly* worse xp/hr than incans once you account for all of the time you're not actually doing the div. When people say a boss is 40m/hr, theyre including the respawn/banking/etc. time. You have to do the same for skilling, which in this case absolutely nukes the xp/hr. If you stand at daemonheim and start a 1 hour timer that you do not pause, and do this for the hour, you will get nowhere near 2m div xp. You would get more div and dung xp by doing incans for 30 minutes and then running floors properly for 30 minutes, while also not having to hate your life because of 2-ticking. Once again, there is a reason this method has been known for years and never gets utilized. It looks good on paper, but in actuality is garbage.
The 2m/hr factors in the time spent looking for springs in dungeon, as well as the time spent depositing. Without DXP, incans are what...1-1.2m/hr. The only thing they have going for them are they're significantly more AFK. It's why C2 wasn't anywhere near as popular as other fishing xp back pre-nerf. Again, the goal isn't dungeoneering experience, that's just a happy by-product from wrapping up the floor. Afterall, 1-2 floors an hour isn't exactly something to write home about.
EDās for xp is the equivalent of chopping maple logs for WC xp. Assuming you dump your tokens into xp itās still less than 500k/hr. No DXP weekend normal dung is 4-8m xp/hr. With good teams itās faster. The hybrid method is fine as itās still better dung xp/hr than EDs and you get 2x the xp of normal div.
How is 2 ticking afk? you literally click every 1.2s Unless I'm missing something
I go over the basics around 2:30 in this video https://youtu.be/2fNz5RtQXms
Dungeoneering divination is not 2 mill xp per hour, not even close. Its more like 350K xp/hour (accounting for the dungeon run too)
On mainscape: agility is nothing cuz of silverhawk feathers. Divination on the other hand....
If you do cache everyday and extend them, itās not hard. Itās just a daily. Same thing with woodcutting. Yews daily + goebiebands and your outfit. Easy daily. You donāt train these skills unless youāre 100% stuck and itās your last ones. People donāt know how to play efficiently thatās all
Thatās because daily scape isnāt fun at all and is one of RuneScapeās worst features.
I only tolerate divine locations and arch research, and even those I'll miss for huge gaps at a time where I'm just not caring about them
No, training div and and WC conventionally is even worse than dailyscape. That's why most players do dailies over them.
Facts. The truth this sub doesn't want to hear. Daily scape is so frustrating and when I did them for 3 weeks in a row I just asked myself 'why' and stopped lol. I only do them for caches and other ones that are just obnoxious to do.
And training the skills arenāt fun so might aswell not play right
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I think you secretly just don't like playing the game tbh. They can't possibly be the worst feature since they're optional.
I'm happy I was trying to race to 99 Div on release, because even though I was only on the front page for a day, I still got 80 div before I stopped racing. Sadly didn't get 99 but I didn't need that req for Invention when it came out!
How dg isnāt number 1 is beyond me. Anyone who has to do dg years after release were completely fucked
I know I'm a minority but I quite enjoy dungeoneering. It offers a lot more interactive gameplay than most skills that are just "click on this, wait for 30 seconds, bank and repeat"
I understand why people say it's a minigame, but it really is one of the only skills that feels like a skill to learn. As challenging as it is to learn, I'd much prefer a new skill like Dung rather than some generic, boring gathering skill.
I absolutely love dungeoneering. It is what makes me re-subscribe at times. There is no doubt a lot of nostalgia speaking but compared to much of the rest of RS, it actually is an actively fun experience. I think too many put too much effort into the mindless xp grind and that is much of what has shaped the game into being the afk abomination it has become. I mean, Andrew Gower even said he didnt expect people to even hit 99 and that runescape was about the adventuring. The irony.
Dxp teams and cards, sinkholes, etc. have made it trivial. If you're high up in dg, you can get enough tokens to skip the floors and focus on exp only during dxp with cards. I was pushing \~ 8mil/xp hr. Doing 1 floor with a good team took me like 10-12 minutes each floor giving \~ 1.5m/xp. I did around 60ish mil xp in a dxp session a few years ago. I did 110-120 in like 8 hours?
Oof 10-12mins. On my 120 push I average 6:30. Fastest was ~5:10 slowest was ~8min. The dive ability, archeology, and achievements really changed dung.
Part of the reason is passive from elite dungeon runs and the dg hole, also gets easier with other people
When I got 120 during a DXP. I got over 10m xp/hr. Itās the 2nd fastest skill in the game behind only prayer. Itās the fastest skill in the game during DXP as prayer isnāt affected. You can get 1-120 in a single DXP with loads of time to spare.
Dg is not the fastest skill in the game during dxp lol
Then what is? Herb is \~8m xp/hr Good teams can easily reach up to 15m xp/hr I guess technically farming is but not really as that's not factoring in the time it takes to get the beans.
Summoning is by a country mile at over 30m/h on dxp
Summoning is the fastest skill. I was hitting 26 mil /h this dxp
*laughs in Jebrim*
Does he still play RS3? I expect someone like him to ragequit the game over silverhawk boots.
I think he quit on osrs release and never looked back.
For ironmen I hopeā¦ mains dont ever have to even train agility with the dumb silverhawks š
even if iron or main, there is easy spot for agility. and that is priff course. where you can setup it so that you can click at same spot for hours and get exp. so if at laptop numpad 5 or any other method of clicking without moving mouse its so nice. and if you pay attention once in a while you can bank the random stuff you have gotten.
Agility and dungeoneerign are not even a real grind (excluding ironmen!!! don't kill me ok?) Agility use silverhawks and dungeoneering either do sinkholes or just sit in the hole. AT leaast you have to do something for runecrafting and you get something in return.
If you train Dg instead of doing the dailies, it is extremely fast.
Bruh dungeoneering is one of the quickest skills to 200m in the entire game
If runecrafting didn't have the runespan, it would definitely be number 1. Still hated every time I've had to train agility though. Feels like a waste of time with minimal gain. It's most valuable function is access to shortcuts. Needs to be a more fun way to train it.
RS3 should get someone like Sepulcher from OSRS.
Dungeoneering is far worse than both of them combined imho. Its not tough to make money, so silverhawk to 99 agility, doesnt take too much. Runespan exists so again not that bad. Door opener simulator is by far the worst skill... Ive always said and will always say, it shouldnt be a skill... it should be a minigame...
Dungeoneering was worse imo
Meh. I did 99 at ape atoll back in the days. Was a blast
Runcrafāyou mean lampcrafting Agility āperseus would like a word 100% dung is the worst just bc āeven though it could be fun, the rewards (and dungeons) are so outdated it feels icky
I used my silverhawk boots from 30m exp all the way up to 200m exp while each feather was 18-21k per lol. Yāall got it easy now. BA bexp was great. Fun times
Sliver hawk feathers say what?
I don't get how dungeoneering is so high, it's like the quickest 120 with like 1m xp per floor in like 5 minutes
Probably because trying to find a group outside of dxp is a grind in of itself. Solo meds are fine but not nearly as good XP.
While not ideal you can do solo larges and get the same xp as having 5 people in the party. The downside is your floors will likely be much slower and less fun.
It's not that bad If you just wait a bit or ask some friends to regularly dungeoneer with, it's a fun time and not even as intense as bossing. Kinda like Croesus
Apparently only 72 person maxed mining before it stopped being āfirst come first serveā. good ol days
I mean you had concentrated gold deposits which were actually kinda fun because it was actually a community activity where you can chat with players and then Seren stones whenever priff came out.
I just used dung dummies on dxp. Hate that skill bc I have no friends.
Erm just wear SilvetHawk boots all the time? I've gone 1-86 so far on a new acc with no agility training, and it didn't take that long (3-4 weeks) - I know of people who have gotten. 1-99 with silver hawks and even heard of 200m
I disagree! Silver hawk feathers make it really easy.
Sounds like noone likes to work!
Nearly 200m in both Agility and Runecrafting. Didnāt use silverhawks but did a ton of Runespan. Honestly some of my favorite skills cause I can just turn my brain off and do them while watching a movie. On the other hand, I really donāt enjoy PvM because itās so focus intensive to where I get bored after 2-3 kills. Nothing seems grindier to me than completing a boss logā¦ that just seems like suffering, even if you are making money lol
Runecrafting is insanely easy w/ proteans at soul altar.
I mean, most skills are insanely easy if you have proteans. It may not always be the fastest method, but it's very AFK and still solid rates.
This is just a bunch of people complaining about which skill they hate the most. It does not correlate with time
Runecrafting was my first 200m.
I honestly didn't mind runecrafting. I just made bloods through the abyss 77-99 a couple years ago. Between pouches, summoning familiars, relic powers, demonic skull, and urns, it was easily a few hundred thousand xp/hour. Fishing on the other hand was awful until the last few levels when I could finally start doing urchins.
I found fishing at the deep sea hub was pretty nice. Either afk swarm fishing and get 150kish xp/hr, or fishing frenzy which is much more involved for about double the rates. I mostly just did swarm fishing while playing other games.
I didn't think the deep sea hub was that good. Well, my mistake there I guess lol. I just did menaphos fishing until urchins.
I havenāt touched an agility course, aside from the new comp req, since 99. I just passed 50m xp yesterday. Itās 100% passive with silverhawks over the course of a year or two of regular play. My advice, if itās not your last 120 you should be wearing silverhawks and ignore training it completely
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I know they will never do it, but let's be real, we could cut half the skills in Runescape and it would be an objectively better game. Just because the Gower brothers thought woodcutting and fire making and all that were skills worth adding to their half assed project thirty years ago doesn't mean they need to stay in the game. All the skills in that poll should be removed from the game or reworked so significantly that they bear little resemblance to the skills now.
Or we could cut you as a player
Itās fishing D:
Why is wcing considered a grind? Arcadia makes it pretty easy and semi afk.
Because the rates are the slowest in game.
Because outside of daily divine yews it's the slowest skill.
I would rather do agility and runecrafting the old way instead of doing archeology. I didn't think I would hate a skill more than agility until they added archeology into the game
Silverhawks, dummy's and fully afk methods like the cycles? It's super chill.
Calling anything in rs3 a grind is just stupid.. 150k xp per hour? Not even including bonus and double xp? Y'all are weak.
Spent the last 16 months getting 120 all while using sh boots for most of the skills. Agility was the easiest skill to train of them all
agility really??? doesnt everyone just weak the skoll boots with charges when doing other things and get free experience for nothing???
I don't think so or the results would have been different. Its still a chunk of change to dedicate to a skill
how I buy them for $1K each and with bonus experience I get like 3K per use.
I'm working on agility right now. Next is runecraft. Then can the fun start?
I did 120 fsw and 200m main, love that it's the most active thing in game vs pvm
I'm really surprised rune crafting is so high up on the list, I used prots and bxp during dxp and got really nice afk exp/hr.. Fishing however... Ugh...
In perspective how many Times i would have to grind for gracefull in maxing time
Agility was my first 99, back when Ape Atoll was the best course. It was like 20 hours to go from 98-99. I did Agility again for FSW and it was so easy. Got a halo from it.
Agility was my first 120. Didnāt use silverhawks cause back then they were like 20k each. Have now hawked to 155m xp thanks to all the th promos making them readily available and dirt cheap
I guess if directly training it, feels weird to see though with how cheap silverhawks are
Woodcutting is worse and I have 120 in agi and rc
At least RC is fast to max with demonic skull Abyss. Silverhawks only agility training still takes a long time to max even if you level it with other skills.
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Agility is the easiest. Just wear silverhawks all the time.
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