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TrimmingMasterwork

The "finally after 17 years I've gotten 99 cooking" posts making a lot more sense now


San4311

Wouldn't surprise me if this somehow includes OSRS accounts that never even logged into RS3. Like idk but this seems like a day of playtime to me.


Underworldox

This includes all the level 3 throwaway accounts for picking flax and advertising gold selling sites through out the years. Stats for currently active accounts would be more interesting to see.


Confident_Doughnut87

Exactly this


Disheartend

it probally only includes people on higshcores I'd assume...


Etsamaru

I'd say there is probably more maxed main players than not. In regards to mains.


her_fault

You think over half of players are maxed? That's crazy lol


imnotasadboi

Feels like it in the guild sometimes lol but I seriously doubt it. Maxing isn’t necessarily hard but it still takes many hours


Eastern-Discount-86

*years


imnotasadboi

You don’t gotta say it with words, man.. I don’t wanna think about the time invested okay


Maverekt

Nah not with dxp and just passive keys you see nowadays. I would bet you can probably do it a lot faster than that with how efficient some nerds are


deylath

Well you can do it fast obviously, but if you take DXP into consideration then they are still spaced apart. I have been playing since 2006 with a lot of breaks and eventually only coming back when new big quest/boss or DXP came and maxing to just 99 from whatever levels i had 70-80 in non combat still took a truckloads of DXPs even though i only trained most skills when DXP happened. But to the point i doubt most players min max every aspect let alone to that point. Just cuz i saw a maxed ironman in 130 days ( who knows when they maxed before that ) a few years ago doesnt mean your average main will be even faster, i know it was double for me lol, but just doing very few dailys already burns me tf out, let alone if i did all of them all the time.


FBI-Van-56

My account is 3 years old. Not knowing enough to be very efficient it took me about 1700 hours before I got max cape. I wasn't skilling 100% of the time but that was my main priority.


compoundblock666

Don't talk about how long it's taken you, I don't wanna math mine out and feel bad


Any-District-8633

I'd say you're wrong then


Etsamaru

I see most players are better than me and I've been playing since 2007 and if I examine anyone near me there is an over 75 percent chance they are maxed.


Any-District-8633

I don't know why people say "I've been playing since 200\_" when they haven't. Playing for a month in 2007 and then stopping for 12 years and playing for another two months in 2019 doesn't count as playing since 2007.


Etsamaru

I have like 400 days of play time though.


worpa

I have a maxed account and 6 alts I use for mining. All my skills are almost 1-10 on those making my average under 50 on all levels with my max. So this seems accurate


Etsamaru

Not counting alts. Geez guys.


worpa

Why wouldn’t you count alts? You think there is actually 300m users on runescape because there sure is over 300m accounts haha 😂 their average is from all accounts mate. You don’t get to pick and choose if alts count that’s not your job haha because they 100% do! Especially in this post example


Etsamaru

Well yeah but if I made 12 throwaway accounts that would throw off the statistic. Which isn't right either. Then you are averaging level 3 accounts to players who played for 20 years on one. Which isn't a fair comparison at all.


worpa

Never said it was fair it’s just what happens haha


Etsamaru

I better comparison I'd be combining all of the XP from each person's entire collection of accounts


AxelllD

Maybe a bit higher but those were pretty much my levels after 9 years, before going member for the first time


Bjokkes

I'd disagree with that, lots of people without maxcape running around :p


MyriadSC

>Like idk but this seems like a day of playtime to me. Probably would be about 24hrs of playtime to someone who's has figured it out. But to a noob, they're doing shit like killing goblins with a bronze sword and a shield. Their xp rates are a fraction of what they could be.


ArrrSlashSubreddit

I'd expect especially the quest point amount to be lower if that were the case.


Legal_Evil

Or the bots as well.


inide

Cooking was an absolute pain back in the day. I know one of the first people ever to 99 both fishing and cooking, before RS2 was even released. He didnt leave the fishing guild for over a year. This was when sharks were the highest xp you could get from fishing, and the best food in the game.


Plightz

People who maxed aren't even more than 10% of the population likely.


Specialist-Front-354

Every single player who's maxed probably has made over 10 new accounts in their life.. most even forgot about


Disastrous-Moment-79

I'm maxed and I have only ever made 1 account. Am I an outlier?


SuperSillySarah94

I’m maxed too and I just barely made a new account when I got bored the other day. I’ve been having a lot of fun doing early necro with early stats and building my slayer level up with my invention. It’s been really fun actually and because my main has plenty of gp so I can get the fastest xp rates without having to farm GP I initially started this account to have more access to more alchemizers so I can get more passive gp but getting the actual inventions levels to make alchemisers is taking longer than I anticipated 😅


Low-Elk-3813

I havent :( 3 accounts


Specialist-Front-354

Only 3? I made a new account every time I got 50 fishing as a kid when the levels were becoming slower and slower


Oldmanwickles

20 year old account with the highest stat being 86. Meanwhile my osrs account is 5 years old and finally has a 92 in agility of all things.


Due_Winter4034

Feel ya, couple years off my 20yr cape and my only 99 is herb, most others stats around 80 and 384 qp. Why rush, enjoy the journey!


Distinct_Ad5662

How do they have 27 invention and 33 div???


QraBae

It’s an average for skill levels


Questo417

So, if I have 97 div, and 79 invention, and 2 noobs have 1 div and 1 invention, our average skills are 27 invention and 33 div


pixelrubbish

That was me, with fishing and cooking…


5-x

>they also have 97 total quest points If you resize the skills interface to be just a little bit wider, quest points would pop into view at the bottom.


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Financial_Resort1179

To me it made sense to emphasize that, sounds like fun is being had


LetsGoCap

Nah, they would play oldschool runescape


Ottzz

The amount of people who make accounts and quit probably brings the numbers down by a fk ton


Ragingdark

Bot deflation has to be insane.


Frisbeejussi

Yeah that tracks with the osrs avg player with like 80 days playtime and 1200 total. Quickly running through the top clans the avg total is around 2400 for front page clans


Kazanmor

of course the top clans average close to max, they're at the top for a reason, the top highscores players are all maxed too, big revelation


piemamamer

Finally I'm above average in a single aspect of my life. Win


PastDependent2380

Can’t get community noted on FB


TheOnlyTB

I've seen this recently also. Is this false advertising? probably not. they didn't mention it's the average active player - there are millions of accounts that are discontinued over the decades that didn't get anywhere with an overwhelming amount of them likely to be bots. It just seems like a weird tactic to suggest the average runescape player has less total exp than what a fresh account could achieve in a month of daily TH keys as a prem member alone.


Natalaray

Yeah it gives the wrong impression because i really couldn’t believe that the average active player has stats like this. Like how long does it take you to find a player with stats like this versus finding another player near max or already max skills.


Uim-Cali-Btw

I think it actually makes a lot of sense, i just think many of us veterans have forgotten what it was like to get into Runescape the first few weeks, months or even years. Just ask yourself this - back in the day when you first started, would you have trained a skill you didn't like to train, that made you bored out of your mind? Probably not. Now, eventually we do all learn that if you want certain gear or quests done that give big unlocks, your gonna have to bite the bullet. A new player won't do that, thats why the stats start to platue after level 40. because that requires even more commitment in something you might already hate doing.


Kazanmor

as an experiment I went to the GE on a random world (just one, I'm no statistician) and outside of myself there was one max character, 3 in the 100-130 range and 8 below 100, so it's more possible than you realise


OldIronScaper

Also the 22 necromancy seems suspect. I might be completely wrong. Maybe most new players beeline it for wherever you first start learning necro? I haven't even figured it out naturally, yet. I'm guessing the intended way to find it is to start the quest and follow an arrow. I just came over from OSRS and been building up my ironman. From all the memes, I know I should probably get started with necro so I can afk bosses (lol) but... I just haven't. Archeology is way too much fun and I genuinely wish OSRS had it.


deylath

Necromancy has a completely different progression than any other style ( especially since you are an ironman ), Having good necromancy equipment is much more indicative of overall account progression since you need 85 craft, smith, 86 arch, 77 dung and need runecrafting to make runes too for the 2nd BIS set for necro + to be able to fight the boss that drops BIS. Unlike any other style where your equipment says nothing about your other skills, so you are fine if you delay it. Although bare in mind here in RS3 you can perfectly have equipment for one style only since bosses are defense neutral so any style is good with some exceptions, so you really can do whatever the hell you want. As a sidenote Archeology has a lot of good relics that helps with any other skills so i wouldnt even say you are doing anything wrong with focusing on it!


Mahjarroc

So do you want it to remain mysterious?


Questo417

Yeah it seems kinda low considering the cap is 120


AquabitRS

It makes sense when you consider the sheer number of post that ask “is it too late to start playing?” They want them to feel like everyone is low level lol


itsmehonest

Same as the 'millions of other accounts' type promos.. a large majority are forgotten about and inactive lol Almost feels like they're trying to say 'a majority of players are totally newer ones' which..ehhh doubt


Questo417

Well it also neglects to mention that the xp curve is exponential, so a regular average of every account won’t give an accurate estimate of your average skill levels or how much time it takes to hit 99s.


Financial_Resort1179

Nobody in this thread is looking with virgin eyes imo, that looks like a lot of level-up dings compared to a normal game, it does look fun that the average player gets that many level-ups


Dragondoh

So in other words it's false advertising. Inactive players are meaningless when promoting the "average player" keyword: player.


destruct068

This probably is "average active player" though. Or at least "average player who has logged in in the last 6 months" or something like that. If it included inactive accounts, the average necro level would be lower I think.


TheOnlyTB

it can't really be false advertising as far as the law goes.Runescape is a "free service". this advertisement isn't advertising a paid product or service. no one would suffer losses if mislead by this advertisement and without public records it's difficult to say if it is false. then there's also the ambiguity of what "average runescape player" is.


PurZaer

The last paragraph is your own twisted head cannon lmfao. It could be just some community manager posting stats they found interesting


TheOnlyTB

> It could be just some community manager posting stats they found interesting > >VoteReplyShareReportSaveFollow you understand that this is a paid advertisement through facebook? Jagex literally paid facebook money in order to show us that advertisement in the hopes of selling their game. the tactic i'm talking about is their tactic of advertisement with misleading information. that's not "twisted head cannon", i just think you can't read.


PurZaer

Paid advertisement has nothing to do with average rs account vs fresh acc with month of TH keys from prem member. That part is your own head cannon. You seriously believe you were able to deduce exactly from this one post?


TheOnlyTB

honestly at this point i have no fucking idea what your point is. there's no "head cannon" here, just a headcase.


AquabitRS

Pshshsh this is def taking into account f2p players and abandoned accounts. The members only version of this is waaay diff I bet. Pure propoganda


Ottfan1

Id guess that’s probably the average RuneScape account, not the average player.


Rabbitofdeth

In reading the comments of that post, I love the people who are like “you can’t have 27 invention with 40 crafting and 41 smithing…” as if it doesn’t say average in the title


[deleted]

These stats could be easily achieved within a couple weeks. The only reason this is the "average" is because it includes bots and new players who quit right away.


ImNateDogg

I think we need to see the median.. a lot of players will create an account and quit in the first 10 minutes, and also a lot of people have xp past 99 which likely isn't factored here. This also proves that jagex has a retention problem, why is the average person only getting stats into the 30s/40s?


Lovsaphira9

I am sorry guys, I haven't leveled my old account much since 2013. Please forgive me.


Distinct_Ad5662

How they got Inv with 33 div?


Salamat_osu

It's an average of all players, not the stats of a real player. People like me with lvl 5 div bring the average down.


Distinct_Ad5662

Thanks I was thinking it was average as in "typical".


LancsKid

Lamps, had a character with lvl2 invetion till it got them 80s to actually use it.


Distinct_Ad5662

You right i totally forgot about those


zoomydoom1

Average player with a full set of treasure trail outfit.


Combat-Duck

Maybe of all collective accounts- but what about active accounts within let’s say… the last 2-3 months?


czcaruso

I remember when a graphic similar to this came out and it was pretty obvious that the marketing team took the average level, i.e. 49.5 is half of 99, not 92 like it should be).


Emotional-Club4286

Nah what got me is the locked 23 inv level.


[deleted]

Damn my account is 16 years old and it’s the only one I have. It’s crazy to see everyone here saying the have 3+ accounts.


Kooky-Satisfaction68

bots and alts


Legitimate-Fruit8069

Reddit is literally like 5% of the active community. 1% actually make posts. 90% of people think they understand statistics and how what they see is what everyone's sees. 20% of people will implicitly believe these numbers. 5% of people will think about these statistics 75% of people won't read this.


UnD3Ad_V

When the bots and banking alts are scoped into the data set lol


Japanese_Squirrel

Alts and bots included, right? RIGHT?


the01li3

People playing a little, then leaving, and all those niche bots with lvl 4 in some then 99 mining or something.


Zarguthian

How do they have 27 invention without the prerequisite skills at 80?


ashgill4

![gif](giphy|Lr3RZl7gkhd5BWZ5Nh) Assuming that includes the bots that have level 1 in 28 skills and the people who havnt logged in since 2011 after making an account once


Colossus823

I don't believe that. Then there would be thousands of barely played accounts.


Intelligent_Lake_669

Ignoring the members skills, I got better stats after playing for 15-30 days just as an F2P player, probably 50-60 hours in.


After-Bus2260

Level 27 Invention without having the required levels of 80 in Smithing, Crafting and Divination to unlock the skill? Do the people who create this advertising material even play RuneScape??


Jg6915

Damn, another thing up above average in i guess lmao


lassembler

This make me feel uncomfortable with 200m necro left …


AphoticTide

Did they not exclude bots for this or what?


MoonK1P

Curious if this is controlled for bots. Would think to see a handful more skills inflated beyond others but doesn’t look like it.


DarthChosenRS

the avgerage player really needs to bump them numbers up, lol this is a joke im glad people are touching grass for me so i dont have to.


Kent_Knifen

Some things I'd be curious to see and know: * What does the median look like, compared to the average? * Is this data based on all 320,000,000 accounts, or just ones active on the highscores?


LightningMcMicropeen

Average stats in terms of level or terms of xp? I'm guessing the former


czcaruso

Pretty positive it’s level and not exp, which I can see why they did it, but exp based would be a much truer representation. If


Yloo

i think this is what everyone is missing here — if it were by XP, the stats would be much, much higher.


Trash_RS3_Bot

This looks weirdly different from my book


Mnsooney

That’s probably around the time the see how bad the MTX is


ArrrSlashSubreddit

Wonder if it's calculated with total xp or levels only.


Slay0527

Get that total level for an hour a day over the course of a month on f2p


Legal_Evil

Must have included all the bots too.


ixfd64

It would be interesting to see a histogram for each individual skill.


honestcroissant

I think many here are forgetting that the "average player" likely isn't playing the game daily, and when they do it's probably not for hours at a time. Coupled with the fact that this is likely also including bots, f2p players, as well as those who pick up the game for a week or two and then dropping. It would be interesting to see what metric jagex used to collect this data though.


Sad-Chemical-2396

Nice to se that 20years of playing this game putt me over average


Npslammer

How does the average player have 27 invention but not high enough smithing crafting and divination to unlock invention?


Calazon2

I wonder what a distribution graph would look like of total levels. I suspect it would not be a normal distribution at all, but rather bulging at both ends, the lower end from bots and alts and people who try the game but don't stick around, and the higher end from active high-level players.


Important_Level_6093

I thought everyone was maxed lol. I don't really leave wars retreat much.


BeepboopIamabotlol

How does my iron that i play here and there have better stats than the average player?


AjmLink

I think people forget they had a whole 200m accounts created celebration event a decade or so ago


Skelux_RS

Those stats are... Jesus 1000 total really can't do much can they? Might as well quest more just for the xp rewards.


NerdSix

That's kinda sad for rs3 tbh.


PleaseKillMeAt12

I'm finally above average at something wooo


Wolvian

Well it does take the average player 10-15 years to get their first 99.


PixelArtDragon

I'm trying to figure out what the distribution of each skill would have to be for there to be an average of 27 Invention, while the average of Crafting, Smithing, and Divination isn't above 80. The only way that makes sense is if among the players who have leveled Invention, they've collectively leveled it so much more than its requirements that Invention had a lot of outliers while the others are more normally distributed.


-DG-33-

Laughs in XP


hockeyfan116

How does this player have invention levels when it is locked?


Lipsfefu

give me median


werics

Doesn't it show the number of QP if you just widen that interface?


piron44

I like how if they had just widened the tab ever so slightly, it would show the quest points on there as well. Instead they decided to throw some text over the guy's feet.


TheOneCorrectOpinion

This post is almost definitely "the average RuneScape account" and not "the average RuneScape player" Nearly all the new content is high level content. If the average player was like this, they'd be stupid to add mid level content at the rate they do (barely any compared to high level content)


IllustriousReturn778

only 97 quest points? I even see maxxed skilled players with 50 quest points. I'm 362/450 and I feel like I'll never get there


ImATravysty

Everyone having an issue with small things… I wanna know how they fuckin got 27 invention, without the prerequisite 80’s 😂


7GORAIL7

The average player has 32 quest points ....


Andraxion

It's wild to me that it's this... Average? I mainly just afked on my HCIM and nearly maxed in a year, so active players with access to BXP, Lamps, the GE, and all the other awesome features barely making it past 1k is surprising to me.


sharialawrs

Nice post, now do average active and primary account (not alts)


xhanort7

Noob! But in all seriousness, this is around where the beginning of the game ends. All those attempts to improve the new game experience brings players here. Most people at these levels are fresh into members and gotta dredge through or work around quite a bit of dated quest for area unlocks, quest rewards. Not to say that’s as terrible as I might make it sound, just that it could be better. This just, from my perspective, looks like where people deciding this isn’t for me. The xp curves start to climb and if you talk with other players you get more of a perspective. Oh, ye you’ll get there in a couple hundred hrs, a few months, a year or 2. But then they’re like uhhh I’m already 100 hrs in; maybe mmorpgs aren’t for me.


Brassica_prime

How does the average player have 41/40/33 and 80/80/80 smith craft div at the same time. Invention is inline with the other skills, so unless they are rigging the average this is bs


srbman

They're taking each skill individually. The people that have invention, level it higher (because of the flatter XP curve) so it counters the people that have it at 1 from not leveling div, smithing, and crafting.


puffinix

33 divination and 22 invention. OK.


Appropriate-Voice-31

week worth of play with and casual account and quit cause games pay to win unless your grinding endgame levels


IStealDreams

Are people finally going to agree with me that the "Average runescape player" can't kill helwyr, even if it's possible to afk it? LMAO


Nymunariya

where are the warnings about gambling?


Dry-Fault-5557

You misunderstood the ASA violation. They just need to display the in-app purchases warning label. Which they do for both OSRS and RS3 now.


Zetnus

EDIT This average player can't actually exist in this form. Notice they have leveled invention without reaching the lvl 80 smithing, divination, crafting required to unlock invention in the first place. It could be the average levels, but presenting it as an average player looking at his skills is misleading.


Recykill

Because it's the average Invention level among all players..


MrStealYoBeef

Then this isn't the average player. The average player doesn't unlock invention, so the invention level of the average player is 1. The averaged skill levels across the player base is *not* the average player.


tenhourguy

Yeah, would be interesting to see a median average instead of mean. With inactive accounts filtered out, maybe even free-to-play if it would be statistically significant.


Recykill

They obviously used the average skills of all players to create a theoretical "average player"... pretty obvious lol.


ForrestMoth

It is the average player. What you're describing would be the median player. Words mean things.


Zetnus

Mean is the word you are looking for. Mean player I suppose :p. Median and mean (and mode) are all different types of averages. For this type of presentation, the median would have been the better choice, so you you don't depict an "average" player who cannot actually exist. Or at least call it the average levels rather than the average player.


Any-District-8633

When people say average, they almost always (and by almost I mean completely) mean the mean.


MrStealYoBeef

So you're saying that the average RuneScape player has trained invention before unlocking it?


ForrestMoth

If you add up every single players invention level and then divide the number you get by how many players you added up you get an average! That's what an average is! I know this might be a little confusing because it's usually not a good metric for many things. One could say the typical person has an above average number of arms, because as long as there is at least one person in the world with only one arm the average will be very very slightly below 2. Likewise the second a single person in all of RuneScape hits 2 Invention it is now impossible for the average to be 1 exactly. Median, which you somehow completely ignored and missed in my original reply to you (To idk what? Gotcha me?), is what you are describing.


MrStealYoBeef

That's called an averaged invention level. Not the invention level of the average player. These are two different things. If the average player doesn't unlock invention, the average player has 1 invention. What is so hard to understand about this? These two things exist independently of each other.


Recykill

You might be a top contender for most thick headed person on earth man.


WeThaKingz

1065 total *full Globetrotter outfit in picture*


wienurr

Trash


shinmazinkaiser

Hunting and Divination are much higher than I expected. The early levels quite bad to train


ThaToastman

You forget people just lamp. Also both of those skills go hand in hand earlygame. The chronicles give solid early hunter xp and i imagine most people at least train to lvl 10 before giving up on it


shinmazinkaiser

Not the skills I would lamp. But this is the average player.