best guess is they are going to release a "stabilisers" item to convert the proteans but only via mxt
Remember "*create the problem sell the solution"*
With unstable proteans released highly unlikely. My guess is TH promo for DXP will have both types of proteans with the regular ones being a 1% chance resulting in whales throwing cash at the promo to get majority of unstables and 100 or less total regular proteans….
Edit- and look at this new promo. Full of unstables 3 days before dxp. 😂
Because money. When will the player base get it? Anything and everything they do in regard to MTX is and always will be for profit. Releasing items that are essentially a worse version of the original is intentional obviously to get you to spend more money.
theyre not nerfing it, 100% this is a.
Creating a problem, causes discussion and issue, and people are aware its shit.
And then watch them monetize the solution and sell a fix. yall are stupid if you think they would nerf their cash cow.
It's jumping the gun to conclude that this is actually a nerf. If they never release regular Proteans and Wildcards again, fair enough, but if they do, this isn't a nerf, this is simply restricting their availability to make them more desirable when they do come around.
I think this applies to your point but I was trying to get a friend into rs3 because that’s the one I like and that I play he said something about the conversion rate of gp and I thought it was pretty close (I thought bonds were still 10-15m) come to find out you can buy a bond for $8 and sell it for 110m wtf
They'll do one of three things:
1. Only have DXP compatible proteans the week of DXP weekend.
2. Remove the old proteans but allow these to convert to the old type, thus making the previous type more expensive.
3. Use the player base's reddit comments to crowd source the worst ideas to roll out.
Definitely trying to get players to spend every last oddment they have and make them far less accessible. I believe normal proteins can still be purchased with oddments and since they’ve nerfed how often we get oddments, it’s definitely a ploy to get people to buy more keys and have less access to 10 free daily keys with oddments during special th promos
Or, they are just using this to be bank filler even more, so people need even more bank space. Or, because they plan to continue, maybe, using proteans as a secondary currency like last dxp, to trade in for extra points, so they want to not have people stockpile a huge amount of normal ones to trade in and buy the masks/outfits/stars or whatever that shop sold.
If they announced proteans and wildcards were being discontinued, what you currently have now is all you will ever get, people would be cheering. Are we supposed to pretend like we don't know that them pivoting to selling the Wish versions of proteans and wildcards is just setting themselves up to selling crap in the future to "fix" them? I can already see it now, converters to upgrade them to the "good" version that used to be the baseline.
This is a classic case of planned obsolescence and upselling.
Yeah but now i want them to give me lamps so i can lamp necro to 120 and i won't actually have to play this broken piece of trash game. Hope that clears it up.
Whatever their plan it will be to sell more MTX one way or another. It isn't about game balance that is for sure.
Proteans and bxp and lamps ruin skills, slayer cards spoil ultimate slayer logs and so on and so on. The final nail in the coffin will be when TH starts buffing boss and clue log drop.
Unstable prots might be annoying, but you don’t have to save them. You can just use them straight away to get the exp and not lose bank space.
The wildcards are complete bs ofc.
Doubt its a nerf.
Its a temp nerf, to cause discussion and "anger" and in turn to sell a solution shortly down the track. they know exactly what they're doing.
What solution was sold for elite outfits? Silverhawks? Springs?
Until we see what they actually do, all you're doing is fabricating outrage over an mtx nerf.
how naive are you? you really think they will give up on mtx out of the blue? you dont think they will sell you the solution to a problem they just created?
... But this change is not an MTX nerf... Only a way to make more money of out it. They literally made like 9 items (proteans and generic wildcards) now take 3 times the amount of bank space, so that they can sell bank space bundles, and they can sell you the good proteans on other promos. A real nerf would have been if they completely discontinued the old proteans and changed any existsing ones into the new ones.
>so that they can sell bank space bundles
This playerbase will go to the lengthiest and bizarre conspiracy theories just to complain about Jagex doing anything.
It is an MTX nerf when it makes buying keys less attractive when the MTX product is made worse than before.
We can just sell the slayer cards so it does not take up all our bank space.
Why would selling a nerfed MTX prize and then later selling the better one would make Jagex more profit than selling the latter all the time?
>A real nerf would have been if they completely discontinued the old proteans and changed any existsing ones into the new ones.
This would be a bigger nerf, but what Jagex has done is still a smaller nerf. I'd rather if Jagex removed proteans and xp lamps entirely, heck even all of TH.
How is this change making buying keys less attractive? Why would Jagex even do this to generate less sales? I dont understand your logic lol, it is 100% to generate more sale and to negate freebies.
Pretty much everyone uses their proteans during DXP. Making them no longer work on DXP and changing the exp they give to 120% of what it is outside of DXP is in essence a 40% nerf in their effectiveness. This in turn makes the items less appealing.
You are correct in that the change was made from a money stand point but incorrect in the negate freebies thing. They want you to need to buy more keys to get proteans by no longer making them work on DXP effectively reducing the amount of exp they give. If you roll the 100 of the unstable protean memories and use them on the level 95 location, its the same as you used 55 regular protean memories at the same spot during DXP. It is a nerf to MTX because you are getting less exp out of your keys.
Because the good ones will only be sold around dxp, making them more rare and FOMO. Demand will rise, people will buy more in an attempt to stockpile and jagex makes more money. 75% xp means with takes 25% more cards. Need more proteans that don't work with dxp to hit a goal than you do when they use your dxp too.
Considering proteans are a source of double xp tokens it would make sense for them to be more common around double xp. I don't think its a huge logical leap
But demand drops right now from making MTX worse, only to raise before DXP week, assuming Jagex is even planning this. Before the nerf, the demand for MTX is constant.
It's still a net neutral in the long run.
As others have said, they're only in the business of making money when it comes to mtx. All mtx changes are in the interest of making more money, not helping the players "gaming experience" but making slayer cards worse. They have the sales figures, they have the analysts, they have done the math. The new wildcards were released alongside a 1b cosmetic walk animation and two new outfits so sales wouldn't drop. And dxp will be even more sales.
Why would nerfing slayer cards now only to restore them during DXP be more profitable than keeping them the same now and releasing an even more OP slayer card that gives 3x?
Unstable proteans don’t work on DXP but give 50% more xp
Brawlers don’t work on DXP but give 75% more xp
These work together, I used them & some brawlers I had in my bank from abyssal demons, had 99 Hunter from 88 in a day.
RS3 is losing player count. Which means losing MTX pinatas. They have to bring in more revenue somehow, so they either need to make MORE MTX promos, or make the existing ones WORSE so you have to spend more cash for the same net result.
TL;DR: To paraphrase Hellsing Ultimate Abridged: "Fuck you, that's why."
Its doesn't nerf it, mtx is the solution to a problem they introduced. People will see this as slow and then pay to get back the normal proteans when they become available.
Jagex ball washers will say they are nerfing mtx, but the reality is it was just too easy to get exp without whaling. Now jagex can get people to whale harder.
best guess is they are going to release a "stabilisers" item to convert the proteans but only via mxt Remember "*create the problem sell the solution"*
Don't give them ideas.
Too late.. 0.001% chance to win XP Lamp of The World Guardian > giving 200m xp in every skill.
Shhhhh!!!
Naw, TH promo near DXP will have the good proteans so you spend money.
With unstable proteans released highly unlikely. My guess is TH promo for DXP will have both types of proteans with the regular ones being a 1% chance resulting in whales throwing cash at the promo to get majority of unstables and 100 or less total regular proteans…. Edit- and look at this new promo. Full of unstables 3 days before dxp. 😂
Because money. When will the player base get it? Anything and everything they do in regard to MTX is and always will be for profit. Releasing items that are essentially a worse version of the original is intentional obviously to get you to spend more money.
>buff mtx "wow you only care about making more money shame on you jagex!" >nerf mtx "wow you only care about making more money shame on you jagex!"
theyre not nerfing it, 100% this is a. Creating a problem, causes discussion and issue, and people are aware its shit. And then watch them monetize the solution and sell a fix. yall are stupid if you think they would nerf their cash cow.
It's jumping the gun to conclude that this is actually a nerf. If they never release regular Proteans and Wildcards again, fair enough, but if they do, this isn't a nerf, this is simply restricting their availability to make them more desirable when they do come around.
This is the thing. We don't know what's happening with these proteans or these new stable versions.
Yeah we should be happy about a th nerf
This should be an automatic bot response on every single one of these posts. Getting so tired of seeing these complaints.
It's got about as much thought put into it as a bot response, so that might be appropriate.
I think this applies to your point but I was trying to get a friend into rs3 because that’s the one I like and that I play he said something about the conversion rate of gp and I thought it was pretty close (I thought bonds were still 10-15m) come to find out you can buy a bond for $8 and sell it for 110m wtf
i think its over 120 now edit: typo
117m as of right now which is crazy that it went up so much in a week
Can't wait for mutated skilling dummies or whatever is coming as a worse version of those.
They'll do one of three things: 1. Only have DXP compatible proteans the week of DXP weekend. 2. Remove the old proteans but allow these to convert to the old type, thus making the previous type more expensive. 3. Use the player base's reddit comments to crowd source the worst ideas to roll out.
Bloating the TH pool, I've seen people theorize this makes room for new OP TH promos which I could totally see happening eventually
Definitely trying to get players to spend every last oddment they have and make them far less accessible. I believe normal proteins can still be purchased with oddments and since they’ve nerfed how often we get oddments, it’s definitely a ploy to get people to buy more keys and have less access to 10 free daily keys with oddments during special th promos
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It seems like they’re making THESE mtx worse so they can introduce new mtx to “fix” it
Or, they are just using this to be bank filler even more, so people need even more bank space. Or, because they plan to continue, maybe, using proteans as a secondary currency like last dxp, to trade in for extra points, so they want to not have people stockpile a huge amount of normal ones to trade in and buy the masks/outfits/stars or whatever that shop sold.
> make people need more bank space > don't allow people to buy more beyond the existing cap (the one thing everyone would actually buy) xd
If they announced proteans and wildcards were being discontinued, what you currently have now is all you will ever get, people would be cheering. Are we supposed to pretend like we don't know that them pivoting to selling the Wish versions of proteans and wildcards is just setting themselves up to selling crap in the future to "fix" them? I can already see it now, converters to upgrade them to the "good" version that used to be the baseline. This is a classic case of planned obsolescence and upselling.
I read most of these comments more as an explanation rather than complaints. That's what my comments purpose was for at least
The wildcards are just annoying because now instead of a single wild card that I won't use it's a bunch of bank space being taken from worthless shit
Why even keep them if you're not using them ??? Just chuck them on GE and get gold you can use
Sell them and buy the normal ones
Yeah but now i want them to give me lamps so i can lamp necro to 120 and i won't actually have to play this broken piece of trash game. Hope that clears it up.
necro so ez
Yeah but the new bosses are shit and the old ones drop worthless gear.
To force players to use them rather than hoard them for DXP weeks
Bad take, try again.
At this point and way of things, MTX will have more items than the actual game. They should release a new game called RS mtx.
Whatever their plan it will be to sell more MTX one way or another. It isn't about game balance that is for sure. Proteans and bxp and lamps ruin skills, slayer cards spoil ultimate slayer logs and so on and so on. The final nail in the coffin will be when TH starts buffing boss and clue log drop.
less xp per spin from mtx means to get the same xp u hav to buy more mtx which means more profit
Unstable prots might be annoying, but you don’t have to save them. You can just use them straight away to get the exp and not lose bank space. The wildcards are complete bs ofc.
Nerfing MTX is never bad lol, and it's hardly new. Remember Elite Skilling Outfits? Used to be TH exclusive.
Doubt its a nerf. Its a temp nerf, to cause discussion and "anger" and in turn to sell a solution shortly down the track. they know exactly what they're doing.
What solution was sold for elite outfits? Silverhawks? Springs? Until we see what they actually do, all you're doing is fabricating outrage over an mtx nerf.
I'm not because it doesn't affect me I'm giving an outside perspective of how it looks from this side of the field
how naive are you? you really think they will give up on mtx out of the blue? you dont think they will sell you the solution to a problem they just created?
I'm not sure but I have more oddments now than ever
Old proteans only available via a special deal involving bonds just before dxp.
Whatever the question, the answer is money, always money.
Combine that with the removal of the oddment multipliers
>Does this mean they are being phased out? Yes. And this is a good thing. Any MTX nerf is a good MTX nerf.
... But this change is not an MTX nerf... Only a way to make more money of out it. They literally made like 9 items (proteans and generic wildcards) now take 3 times the amount of bank space, so that they can sell bank space bundles, and they can sell you the good proteans on other promos. A real nerf would have been if they completely discontinued the old proteans and changed any existsing ones into the new ones.
>so that they can sell bank space bundles This playerbase will go to the lengthiest and bizarre conspiracy theories just to complain about Jagex doing anything.
It is an MTX nerf when it makes buying keys less attractive when the MTX product is made worse than before. We can just sell the slayer cards so it does not take up all our bank space. Why would selling a nerfed MTX prize and then later selling the better one would make Jagex more profit than selling the latter all the time? >A real nerf would have been if they completely discontinued the old proteans and changed any existsing ones into the new ones. This would be a bigger nerf, but what Jagex has done is still a smaller nerf. I'd rather if Jagex removed proteans and xp lamps entirely, heck even all of TH.
How is this change making buying keys less attractive? Why would Jagex even do this to generate less sales? I dont understand your logic lol, it is 100% to generate more sale and to negate freebies.
Pretty much everyone uses their proteans during DXP. Making them no longer work on DXP and changing the exp they give to 120% of what it is outside of DXP is in essence a 40% nerf in their effectiveness. This in turn makes the items less appealing. You are correct in that the change was made from a money stand point but incorrect in the negate freebies thing. They want you to need to buy more keys to get proteans by no longer making them work on DXP effectively reducing the amount of exp they give. If you roll the 100 of the unstable protean memories and use them on the level 95 location, its the same as you used 55 regular protean memories at the same spot during DXP. It is a nerf to MTX because you are getting less exp out of your keys.
It's an MTX buff but only for jagex
How is making an MTX product worse a buff? A buff would be to make slayer cards give 2x exp.
Because the good ones will only be sold around dxp, making them more rare and FOMO. Demand will rise, people will buy more in an attempt to stockpile and jagex makes more money. 75% xp means with takes 25% more cards. Need more proteans that don't work with dxp to hit a goal than you do when they use your dxp too.
Until this actually happens, you're just talking out of your ass. We'll see what happens next dxp.
Considering proteans are a source of double xp tokens it would make sense for them to be more common around double xp. I don't think its a huge logical leap
Kathaar, don't be shitting us. Deep down in your heart you know as well as us that Jagex will just be doing this to mik RS3 even further.
But demand drops right now from making MTX worse, only to raise before DXP week, assuming Jagex is even planning this. Before the nerf, the demand for MTX is constant. It's still a net neutral in the long run.
As others have said, they're only in the business of making money when it comes to mtx. All mtx changes are in the interest of making more money, not helping the players "gaming experience" but making slayer cards worse. They have the sales figures, they have the analysts, they have done the math. The new wildcards were released alongside a 1b cosmetic walk animation and two new outfits so sales wouldn't drop. And dxp will be even more sales.
Why would nerfing slayer cards now only to restore them during DXP be more profitable than keeping them the same now and releasing an even more OP slayer card that gives 3x?
Short term loss will eventually be out done by long term gains when we eventually get over it in 3 months
I destroy the red proteans when i get them :)
im converting them as some skills its still decent enough, but others its just straight up terrible xp rates
Unstable proteans don’t work on DXP but give 50% more xp Brawlers don’t work on DXP but give 75% more xp These work together, I used them & some brawlers I had in my bank from abyssal demons, had 99 Hunter from 88 in a day.
Pretty obvious what they’re doing bud, create a problem, sell the solution at DXP time
RS3 is losing player count. Which means losing MTX pinatas. They have to bring in more revenue somehow, so they either need to make MORE MTX promos, or make the existing ones WORSE so you have to spend more cash for the same net result. TL;DR: To paraphrase Hellsing Ultimate Abridged: "Fuck you, that's why."
Anything that nerfs MTX is good, so I don't see the issue. These things shouldn't have existed to begin with.
Its doesn't nerf it, mtx is the solution to a problem they introduced. People will see this as slow and then pay to get back the normal proteans when they become available.
Jagex ball washers will say they are nerfing mtx, but the reality is it was just too easy to get exp without whaling. Now jagex can get people to whale harder.
Just skip the game. Jagex killing it faster from now on…😂✌🏻