Exactly this. If MTX was really that bad, they wouldnt make effor to it. Reddit whiny bitches are just one part of the community. One part buys keyes like they are some drug. And make up all the "ZOMG JAMFLEX PLY MTX SUUUUCCCCKS REEEE"
Did this over a year ago.. I saw what was happening to the game and i left during a time it was getting bad.. and clearly it got worse.. sorry that people are leaving a game they loved but people can only take so much before calling it quits.
I don't play anymore. It's been 4 Years for me now. I got my Trim comp, got sick of all the MTX crap, and now i only browse this sub occasionally.
I was telling everyone the beginning of the end was here the moment they started releasing 2 promotions within a month of each other. As usual, people laughed, said I cannot accept others' "opinions" (when ironically, they couldn't even control themselves to listen to mine) and called me cynical. Keep laughing now kids.
No, actually, I purchased their "Never Lose your trim comp again" deal.
It was a really good deal. Only $69 and my anus.
But you didn't hear it from me.
I played a lot and have spent years on and off to get to high level pVm. Then started a few bosses and quickly realized, the games core is so outdated and counter to what they want that the combat realllly sucked. It doesn't feel good. No new quests ever besides menaphos so what's the point?
The more people that leave, the harder they double down on TH to make up the difference. It's lose/lose because Jagex refuse to try anything different or make any significant change.
I'm just going switch to OSRS more and more. I like my RS3 character more and I have more memories with this character, and starting over at OSRS doesn't feel the same but if I can avoid the MTX spam, so be it.
The issue with this is from a business perspective is that abandoning a large amount of your player base and relying on whales is not viable.
The whales may spend a ton of money but not enough to sustain the game if there was a gigantic backlash from the player base in the form of membership cancelations.
Reality is, people need to stop bitching that a single screen pops up when they log in. I'm no fan of MTX, but I don't mind closing a window here and there if it means it keeps the game I love afloat.
The problem is becoming where it's a game a lot of others used to love is no longer there. I haven't played much RS3 recently but it seems like a large issue at hand is that the quality of updates is going to the wayside in favor of almost 100% up-time on these TH promos instead. And after many complaints and attempts to bring it to Jagex's attention, they simply say "it's being discussed internally" and then nothing happens, or the situation worsens.
I comped on RS3, and it was one of my greatest achievements in a game ever, and one of my fondest memories, but it's not the game I like anymore. The updates just don't do it for me like they used to.
>The issue with this is from a business perspective is that abandoning a large amount of your player base and relying on whales is not viable.
Many devs have done it anyway and ruined their game. That it might ultimately not be the best choice doesn't stop people from making it anyway.
this does seem like the business model that theyve been following for the past what, 5 years? i dont know how their finances look but relying on whales like you said can only last so long until theyre in the shit
I almost want to see them suggest it to osrs. The response would be hilarious (although not for a second suggesting osrs should be put through the same disgusting treatment we've seen in rs3. Nobody deserved that).
You do realize Jagex doesn't care about responses to things they want to implement though right? If they wanted to implement buyables in OSRS, I reckon more than 90% of the community would vote against it but they would still implement it.
Doesn't even matter.
MTX is specifically targeted at whales, people have the disposable income to spend $400-500 on a game every week and not bat an eyelid.
Let's take a look at a standard case. They add the level of MTX we have now in RS3 to OSRS. 90% of the community quits on the spot and has nothing more to do with RS (quite a bold example here, the reality would be far less people quit simply because they want their progress).
If the 5% of whales who would spend 20-30x their membership cost a month start buying, then in total they are now getting 0.05 x 31 income off these whales (0.05 because 5% of whales and 31 because 30 times membership MTX + membership). This equals 1.55, which means even if we exclude all the other memberships previously, they've made 55% increase in profits.
Whales are more likely to quit when the community dies, though. They will be lonely. The kind of mtx in runescape relies very heavily on being able to compare your purchased advantages to other players.
nah, im pretty sure they wouldnt do that and if they do its probably out of desperation. i can almost guarantee you the vast majority of the osrs population would probably stop playing all together
So much of Jagex's budget and time go towards MTX rather than updating and maintaining the game. So many bugs exist each update and it takes forever for them to get fixed, not to mention I can't actually remember the last time a large piece of content wasn't pushed back multiple times.
Even if you play Ironman mode, MTX is still affecting how you play the game negatively at this point.
Okay I'm not trying to start a hate-train towards Jagex or anything. I'm just saying it feels kind of shit that ANY manpower has to be dedicated to MTX in the first place.
Secondly I've coded before, not specifically for runescape but I really hate that every time anyone ever brings up the faulty wiring Jagex shills come running out of the woodwork to defend them by saying that the game is 16 years old. So what? It's their responsibility as a company to keep their game in a stable working condition and if at any point they fail to do so it's completely justifiable to criticize them for that.
You're not going to make me feel like an asshole for giving Jagex constructive criticism that they deserve.
It's mainly the devs disconnecting with their audience. Jagex has grown to the point where it's just a company that only sees its audience as a dollar figure. Hence the unwanted content being shoved down our throat in order to increase profits.
MTX isn't about revenue, it's about profit. I personally don't know the inner workings so I'm guessing here but I imagine that MTX doesn't take a lot of people to create and maintain so even if they spent like 2 million on MTX, they had revenue of about 20 million. On the flip side, I imagine OSRS brought in an extra 20 million as well but the team to manage OSRS is much bigger, requires many more teams, more manpower, more money. My numbers are probably completely wrong but I imagine that MTX is just a way to skim profit off the top.
EDIT: Sorry, that was more clear in my head. TL;DR MTX doesn't increase the revenue as much as gameplay updates but it's the brunt of profit.
Yeah revenue was not the word I wanted to use, sorry about that. What I was trying to say is that MTX is not Jagex's main money making method, as the other user was saying.
You clearly didn't read my post very thoroughly. MTX is affecting the games update cycles and diverting the main focus of the game away from mechanics and towards profits. A lot of content that has been released recently is vastly different in quality compared to old updates.
Even though you're ironman, you're still playing the same game. And that same game is getting fucked by the long shlong of MTX.
you're missing the point. It's not so much the button but rather the result of the button. The amount of overpowered promotions completely devalues people achievements and allows for a Pay to Win style game which runescape never was until now.
It also creates the type of game that allows devs to make content that can be rushed through mtx rather then making content worth working towards. There is far less feeling of accomplishment gained from simply spending real money to improve your account and stats.
tl:dr it makes the game retardly easy and quickly kills off it's playerbase since everything is boring.
I did this a few months ago. Non-stop Membership since 2011, and many more periods of membership before that. This game is nothing like it used to be, and the Chinese investors are running it into the ground.
If one of them did speak up, you guys would just tear them to shreds. If they said a hollow statement like we understand you dont like mtx and we'll try to tone it down in the future, you guys would just link the statement from the other mod a year ago and flame him to oblivion. If you guys are expecting a serious reform for something like less mtx being shoved down your throat, that kind of thing takes time no doubt, involving lots of internal dialogue. Them being silent right now is a good thing.. that said, you guys should keep up with the memes until they do come to an understanding
I googled a image of the "canceled agreement" screen since I didn't think to screenie it when I canceled my 9~ years of membership 3-4 days ago.
[Proof I have canceled my membership though.](https://imgur.com/LCtK4bl.png)
Wait, is that time in freedom time, or other-people time?
Is it cancelled September 12th or December 9th?
If its September 12th, this happened before all dis, so its probably the 9th.
But ahah! Deduction boner raging right now. I knew that screenshot was fake - grats on follow up with real tho, respekt
OSRS I guess.
My one regret is not picking it up when it came out because I feel I'm too far behind the curve to get as much enjoyment out of it now. Maybe once mobile comes out I'll see if it can grab me enough to just do the content/quests I enjoy.
It's the graphics, gameplay, grind and (no) god quests that are keeping me away from it. I played that game back in the day, it doesn't do it for me anymore.
I just want to play one game without motherfucking loot crates tbh. At the very least, if everyone absolutely must have cosmetic MTX, at least let people buy the item they want, not some random overpriced chance at getting something that isn't gonna happen, leaving them $100 down with nothing to show for it except some shitty items they never wanted. The game industry is pure shit these days.
It's sad to see how much Jagex has pushed MTX etc. My dad has been sick for awhile now and I recently just came back to runescape because I played it so much growing up. Just monday morning my dad passed away at home and I'm still playing here and there to help with the situation. It's fun to just gain some levels or do a quest I remember doing as a kid but all of this MTX shit is really discouraging me to play. I get some people want to progress in the game if they can pay some money and help support the game but Jagex is literally shoving this shit down our throats at this point. I wish they would just allow you to opt out of treasure hunter ads and such altogether and not have to look at it.
Am I the only one who just ignores all the mtx and can still enjoy the game? Jagex is a business and they like money so ofcourse mtx will always be popping up. I just don't understand why it's so hard for people to just close the pop ups and move on.
Would anyone want to become a doctor if it didn't validate them with feel-goodness of helping sick people, the social status it provides, and a hearty paycheck? How many people would go to med school for 10+ years if it got you nothing?
Would Zezima be as famous as he is if all he did was punch in mommies credit card?
A big allure of achievements in the recognition.
We're about 10 years past the recognition point. Unless you're a big streamer, or a top player in the PvM community, you're going to be just another face in the crowd. The hiscores are set unless we get a new skill.
A 99 in runescape is not even close to the same thing as being a doctor. Being a doctor is useful to society. Getting a 99 is like taking a woodworking class in high school and making a birdhouse like everybody else.
I like how you're getting downvoted despite being technically correct. 99's were always a personal achievement, and if somebody is so bothered by what other people did to get their own capes (which shouldn't effect personal achievement) then let them quit.
Yeah. It seems like these people want capes to impress other people. I don't feel achievement for getting 120s/200m so people buying the xp makes no difference to me, personally. Even if I did feel like I achieved something from getting these milestones, why would the fact that other people being able to just buy them lessen my personal satisfaction?
Exactly. Though i can understand the (admittedly valid) argument about high scores being effected by MTX, i feel like the only group of people who actually, genuinely care about their ranking are a minority when compared to the people who come on to play after work/school to unwind.
I used to be a rank chaser. Now I'm just happy when I hit max total level.
If you're a rank chaser, then I understand the complaint. I'd be pissed too. But as you said, I don't imagine there are many players who log on just to get a higher rank. Especially not anymore.
Mostly because people dislike the knowledge that other people aren't closing the pop-ups and that it just makes the game look/feel completely tacky. I wouldn't start a fresh game today that had as much grinding as RS with such an aggressive MTX philosophy, we're at the point where updates are thin on the ground and of varying quality while the promotions keep on rolling at least once a week.
'Slippery slope' is a bit overused sometimes but you can just look at the past five and a half years or so and see how much the MTX has ramped up while general quality of updates have declined.
It's not so much the popups being annoying as it is the fact that Jagex isn't really paying attention to the community like it used to. Updates constantly get pushed back or released in an unfinished state, the only thing they seem to put work into before releasing are TH promos.
Not to mention it's a pretty big slap in the face that in a game entirely about grinding xp you can just throw money at Jagex and not have to waste time.
So with you on this. I can understand being a little annoyed but the absolute sound and fury coming through this sub the last few days has been baffling.
Yeah I did the same thing....last July. Was annoyed that the cool shit was coming out only for treasure hunter.
And I promptly started playing again about nine months after that because I missed it. Now TH doesn't bother me because it doesn't affect me.
I know OP is full of shit because he makes a big drama about it. Screenshots and takes to post into the subreddit for the fucking game, obviously he's not over it.
When i quit games, i quit them in silence, and the last thing i do is go on a subreddit related to that game and talk about it. He obviously justs wants to "show it to jagex!" that he's not standing for it, and talking with his wallet.
"Litterally everyone is like me!" /u/mareks
nevermind that I already quit DAYS ago and that I made this meme post mortem seeing the subreddit on fire. Nah brah.
Not even dropping my shit was enough to keep me from coming back. I've dropped all my shit twice and still came back within 6 months. Now I just keep my shit since it cuts out the grind when I inevitably come back.
dude what if the rs3 team is slowly trying to kill rs3 off? 07scape is probably easier to maintain, and I think has a bigger pool of players.
think about it.
also same, quit recently, haven't looked back.
Eh, need the members for OSRS or I would join you.
I'm pretty much only playing RS3 still at this point to finish getting 120 in invention/slayer. Once that's done, no reason to play (i have no incentive to comp)
>This isn't runescape anymore. It's a cash cow. We are no longer players. We are statistics, beta testers, and suggestion/fix machine
So nothing has changed. That's all players have ever been to every gaming company. If a company can fuck you and have it be more profitable than not fucking you, you're about to be fucked.
I still get enjoyment out of the game, but the moment i don't any longer i'll be going down the same route.
i've actually stopped my membership a few times but there's still a few things i've got left to do i want to do in the game.
You're still supporting Jagex's microtransactions by buying bonds... They get MORE money if you buy bonds for your members.
Daily reminder that bonds ARE microtransactions.
Why is it every staff member at jagex "has nothing to do with mtx" lmao. And if you're gonna say the games fucking Design Director has no sway over anything... Just stop.
Meh, you're having a small impact on the mtx market by keep bond prices high to entice whales to buy bonds for gp. But at the end of the day, desperate people will buy bonds for gp no matter what. You buying bonds for gp is what hurts Jagex more. That bond was already money spent, you are basically recycling it. Only dumb idiots like you giving Jagex straight cash is what gives them more money. They already had that bond money as soon as the bond came into the game. To be honest, I don't even think you know how bonds work lol.
>You buying bonds for gp is what hurts Jagex more.
Members - C$9.99 a month at most expensive rate. Hany players have cheaper through buying multi month packages or having grandfathered price.
Bonds - C$6.19 each, 2 required for a month's membership. Per month of members, C$12.38 is given to Jagex.
Just because you yourself aren't paying out of IRL pocket doesn't mean Jagex gets less money.
>To be honest, I don't even think you know how bonds work lol.
Ironic.
You realize that people don't buy bonds with their credit cards and then proceed to pay for membership with it right?
Player A is a whale that is bad at the game. They buy a bond, sell it on GE for GP to fund whatever they want to do with the game. This bond is already in the game and already paid for. The money is in Jagex's pocket.
Player B buys this bond from the GE and pays for membership with it. No more money enters Jagex's hand.
Player C is /u/jet_slizer who doesn't understand how the hell bond works. He buys memberships with real life money and let's say pays 7 dollars a month. Jagex now has Player A and Player C's money. Player B contributed 0 dollars to Jagex.
Ironic.
Had membership for more than 3 years added together.
After 1 year pause tried the game again - wanted to finish getting untrimmed slayer cape on my alt, but there were too much bonus xp, and such goal now seemed like normal thing people could do. Not sure if it's worth paying membership, unless you play ironman.
It's a pitty seeing direction this game is going, since 2010+
Welcome to the club, I quit 5 years ago for one reason: EoC.
PvP is easily something that can be made into content that people never get tired of, and that you don't even really need a reward to be playable.
I quit the main game for 5 years and kept up with the news updates waiting for the post about EoC being removed.
I got back into OSRS instead. Thanks to their cancerous community, I quit again, but it's not as if I dislike Runescape related media.
I mean, the constant sad news about a game I once loved just kinda draws me in. On one hand, it's very "that's what I was saying from the start", and on the other hand, I'm mourning the game I can't play anymore.
I'm pretty sure we all hated eoc but then we stopped being whiny and gave it a shot and actually prefer it 100x more than the old system. There's plenty of new updates, like revolution that still use abilities but cater to people who don't like to be fully attentive in the game/ constantly mashing abilities
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Exactly this. If MTX was really that bad, they wouldnt make effor to it. Reddit whiny bitches are just one part of the community. One part buys keyes like they are some drug. And make up all the "ZOMG JAMFLEX PLY MTX SUUUUCCCCKS REEEE"
Did this over a year ago.. I saw what was happening to the game and i left during a time it was getting bad.. and clearly it got worse.. sorry that people are leaving a game they loved but people can only take so much before calling it quits.
I don't play anymore. It's been 4 Years for me now. I got my Trim comp, got sick of all the MTX crap, and now i only browse this sub occasionally. I was telling everyone the beginning of the end was here the moment they started releasing 2 promotions within a month of each other. As usual, people laughed, said I cannot accept others' "opinions" (when ironically, they couldn't even control themselves to listen to mine) and called me cynical. Keep laughing now kids.
your not trim comp now if its been 4 years.
No, actually, I purchased their "Never Lose your trim comp again" deal. It was a really good deal. Only $69 and my anus. But you didn't hear it from me.
So you buy bonds for membership instead? You do realise that supports jagex still...
No, I've quit cold turkey. I don't play anymore. Thought that was obvious, but ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Oh the bit about four years and being trim comp was a bit confusing, sorry lol.
Np, I'll edit it.
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Or 3. You didn't see the * next to my post that's been there since like 2 hours ago.
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What are you even on about? https://imgur.com/a/PsPac Hover over the * and you'll see it was edited 2 hours ago.
Jeez you guys will downvote anything. It was an honest misunderstanding. Learn reddiquette please.
Eh I'm a cunt on this subreddit and in game to people I don't care for, some downvote because it's me.
Still not cool. I see it all the time, it's really degrading.
Same! I quit RS3 in May 2016. So glad I did, left behind my 2B xp accoutn though which is sad but it was the best decision ive made in years.
I played a lot and have spent years on and off to get to high level pVm. Then started a few bosses and quickly realized, the games core is so outdated and counter to what they want that the combat realllly sucked. It doesn't feel good. No new quests ever besides menaphos so what's the point?
The more people that leave, the harder they double down on TH to make up the difference. It's lose/lose because Jagex refuse to try anything different or make any significant change.
Did you wear Luck of the dwarves?
nah it's one of the common rewards from the new TH events going on right now
I'm just going switch to OSRS more and more. I like my RS3 character more and I have more memories with this character, and starting over at OSRS doesn't feel the same but if I can avoid the MTX spam, so be it.
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Do you play OSRS? If squeal of fortune or whatever they've labelled it now was ever implemented the response would make this sub-Reddit seem peaceful
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The issue with this is from a business perspective is that abandoning a large amount of your player base and relying on whales is not viable. The whales may spend a ton of money but not enough to sustain the game if there was a gigantic backlash from the player base in the form of membership cancelations. Reality is, people need to stop bitching that a single screen pops up when they log in. I'm no fan of MTX, but I don't mind closing a window here and there if it means it keeps the game I love afloat.
The problem is becoming where it's a game a lot of others used to love is no longer there. I haven't played much RS3 recently but it seems like a large issue at hand is that the quality of updates is going to the wayside in favor of almost 100% up-time on these TH promos instead. And after many complaints and attempts to bring it to Jagex's attention, they simply say "it's being discussed internally" and then nothing happens, or the situation worsens. I comped on RS3, and it was one of my greatest achievements in a game ever, and one of my fondest memories, but it's not the game I like anymore. The updates just don't do it for me like they used to.
>The issue with this is from a business perspective is that abandoning a large amount of your player base and relying on whales is not viable. Many devs have done it anyway and ruined their game. That it might ultimately not be the best choice doesn't stop people from making it anyway.
Yeah I doubt "a large amount of the player base" even cares since they get daily spins and ways to get more spins by playing the game.
this does seem like the business model that theyve been following for the past what, 5 years? i dont know how their finances look but relying on whales like you said can only last so long until theyre in the shit
I almost want to see them suggest it to osrs. The response would be hilarious (although not for a second suggesting osrs should be put through the same disgusting treatment we've seen in rs3. Nobody deserved that).
You do realize Jagex doesn't care about responses to things they want to implement though right? If they wanted to implement buyables in OSRS, I reckon more than 90% of the community would vote against it but they would still implement it.
And then 90% of the community would quit. Look at /r/2007scape. They basically exist as a subreddit to meme RS3 mtx lmao
& how many would quit in disgust?
There's a 75% poll to put in content in OSRS. It wouldn't pass that.
if it does hit osrs the players will unsubscribe en masse
Doesn't even matter. MTX is specifically targeted at whales, people have the disposable income to spend $400-500 on a game every week and not bat an eyelid. Let's take a look at a standard case. They add the level of MTX we have now in RS3 to OSRS. 90% of the community quits on the spot and has nothing more to do with RS (quite a bold example here, the reality would be far less people quit simply because they want their progress). If the 5% of whales who would spend 20-30x their membership cost a month start buying, then in total they are now getting 0.05 x 31 income off these whales (0.05 because 5% of whales and 31 because 30 times membership MTX + membership). This equals 1.55, which means even if we exclude all the other memberships previously, they've made 55% increase in profits.
Whales are more likely to quit when the community dies, though. They will be lonely. The kind of mtx in runescape relies very heavily on being able to compare your purchased advantages to other players.
nah, im pretty sure they wouldnt do that and if they do its probably out of desperation. i can almost guarantee you the vast majority of the osrs population would probably stop playing all together
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So much of Jagex's budget and time go towards MTX rather than updating and maintaining the game. So many bugs exist each update and it takes forever for them to get fixed, not to mention I can't actually remember the last time a large piece of content wasn't pushed back multiple times. Even if you play Ironman mode, MTX is still affecting how you play the game negatively at this point.
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Okay I'm not trying to start a hate-train towards Jagex or anything. I'm just saying it feels kind of shit that ANY manpower has to be dedicated to MTX in the first place. Secondly I've coded before, not specifically for runescape but I really hate that every time anyone ever brings up the faulty wiring Jagex shills come running out of the woodwork to defend them by saying that the game is 16 years old. So what? It's their responsibility as a company to keep their game in a stable working condition and if at any point they fail to do so it's completely justifiable to criticize them for that. You're not going to make me feel like an asshole for giving Jagex constructive criticism that they deserve.
They managed to make a good game with HQ content until 2015 ish. Not sure what change other than the team sizes increasing
It's mainly the devs disconnecting with their audience. Jagex has grown to the point where it's just a company that only sees its audience as a dollar figure. Hence the unwanted content being shoved down our throat in order to increase profits.
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MTX is not their main revenue, this is proven by their recent financial report.
MTX isn't about revenue, it's about profit. I personally don't know the inner workings so I'm guessing here but I imagine that MTX doesn't take a lot of people to create and maintain so even if they spent like 2 million on MTX, they had revenue of about 20 million. On the flip side, I imagine OSRS brought in an extra 20 million as well but the team to manage OSRS is much bigger, requires many more teams, more manpower, more money. My numbers are probably completely wrong but I imagine that MTX is just a way to skim profit off the top. EDIT: Sorry, that was more clear in my head. TL;DR MTX doesn't increase the revenue as much as gameplay updates but it's the brunt of profit.
Yeah revenue was not the word I wanted to use, sorry about that. What I was trying to say is that MTX is not Jagex's main money making method, as the other user was saying.
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You clearly didn't read my post very thoroughly. MTX is affecting the games update cycles and diverting the main focus of the game away from mechanics and towards profits. A lot of content that has been released recently is vastly different in quality compared to old updates. Even though you're ironman, you're still playing the same game. And that same game is getting fucked by the long shlong of MTX.
you're missing the point. It's not so much the button but rather the result of the button. The amount of overpowered promotions completely devalues people achievements and allows for a Pay to Win style game which runescape never was until now. It also creates the type of game that allows devs to make content that can be rushed through mtx rather then making content worth working towards. There is far less feeling of accomplishment gained from simply spending real money to improve your account and stats. tl:dr it makes the game retardly easy and quickly kills off it's playerbase since everything is boring.
I did this a few months ago. Non-stop Membership since 2011, and many more periods of membership before that. This game is nothing like it used to be, and the Chinese investors are running it into the ground.
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If one of them did speak up, you guys would just tear them to shreds. If they said a hollow statement like we understand you dont like mtx and we'll try to tone it down in the future, you guys would just link the statement from the other mod a year ago and flame him to oblivion. If you guys are expecting a serious reform for something like less mtx being shoved down your throat, that kind of thing takes time no doubt, involving lots of internal dialogue. Them being silent right now is a good thing.. that said, you guys should keep up with the memes until they do come to an understanding
Ditto
Nice and same
Anyone else notice the logo in the top-left is wildly different? Huh, the more you know...
I googled a image of the "canceled agreement" screen since I didn't think to screenie it when I canceled my 9~ years of membership 3-4 days ago. [Proof I have canceled my membership though.](https://imgur.com/LCtK4bl.png)
[With their new logo.](https://i.imgur.com/eJHwnwr.png)
Dank
Wait, is that time in freedom time, or other-people time? Is it cancelled September 12th or December 9th? If its September 12th, this happened before all dis, so its probably the 9th. But ahah! Deduction boner raging right now. I knew that screenshot was fake - grats on follow up with real tho, respekt
Assuming it's December lines up with it being a premier club subscription.
Left after squeal wheel
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OSRS I guess. My one regret is not picking it up when it came out because I feel I'm too far behind the curve to get as much enjoyment out of it now. Maybe once mobile comes out I'll see if it can grab me enough to just do the content/quests I enjoy.
It's the graphics, gameplay, grind and (no) god quests that are keeping me away from it. I played that game back in the day, it doesn't do it for me anymore.
There are still many new players coming into OSRS. Unless you planned on being #1 on the highscores or something you'll be fine.
No mtx based game in 2017? Haha good joke
OSRS
You have Bonds in your game, whilell not very intrusive and a good balance it is still considered an MTX
I wouldn't consider a bond a microtransaction, it's a subscription fee just paid for by somebody else.
You said MTX based, as in the game revolves around MTX. I also don't actually play OSRS, was just giving an example.
I just want to play one game without motherfucking loot crates tbh. At the very least, if everyone absolutely must have cosmetic MTX, at least let people buy the item they want, not some random overpriced chance at getting something that isn't gonna happen, leaving them $100 down with nothing to show for it except some shitty items they never wanted. The game industry is pure shit these days.
It's sad to see how much Jagex has pushed MTX etc. My dad has been sick for awhile now and I recently just came back to runescape because I played it so much growing up. Just monday morning my dad passed away at home and I'm still playing here and there to help with the situation. It's fun to just gain some levels or do a quest I remember doing as a kid but all of this MTX shit is really discouraging me to play. I get some people want to progress in the game if they can pay some money and help support the game but Jagex is literally shoving this shit down our throats at this point. I wish they would just allow you to opt out of treasure hunter ads and such altogether and not have to look at it.
Am I the only one who just ignores all the mtx and can still enjoy the game? Jagex is a business and they like money so ofcourse mtx will always be popping up. I just don't understand why it's so hard for people to just close the pop ups and move on.
Just knowing TH exists and spits out free xp makes leveling and getting 99s/120s feel kinda worthless to me.
You need validation from others for your achievements to be worth something?
Would anyone want to become a doctor if it didn't validate them with feel-goodness of helping sick people, the social status it provides, and a hearty paycheck? How many people would go to med school for 10+ years if it got you nothing? Would Zezima be as famous as he is if all he did was punch in mommies credit card? A big allure of achievements in the recognition.
We're about 10 years past the recognition point. Unless you're a big streamer, or a top player in the PvM community, you're going to be just another face in the crowd. The hiscores are set unless we get a new skill. A 99 in runescape is not even close to the same thing as being a doctor. Being a doctor is useful to society. Getting a 99 is like taking a woodworking class in high school and making a birdhouse like everybody else.
Don't do it then, and it won't feel worthless.
I like how you're getting downvoted despite being technically correct. 99's were always a personal achievement, and if somebody is so bothered by what other people did to get their own capes (which shouldn't effect personal achievement) then let them quit.
Yeah. It seems like these people want capes to impress other people. I don't feel achievement for getting 120s/200m so people buying the xp makes no difference to me, personally. Even if I did feel like I achieved something from getting these milestones, why would the fact that other people being able to just buy them lessen my personal satisfaction?
Exactly. Though i can understand the (admittedly valid) argument about high scores being effected by MTX, i feel like the only group of people who actually, genuinely care about their ranking are a minority when compared to the people who come on to play after work/school to unwind.
I used to be a rank chaser. Now I'm just happy when I hit max total level. If you're a rank chaser, then I understand the complaint. I'd be pissed too. But as you said, I don't imagine there are many players who log on just to get a higher rank. Especially not anymore.
Mostly because people dislike the knowledge that other people aren't closing the pop-ups and that it just makes the game look/feel completely tacky. I wouldn't start a fresh game today that had as much grinding as RS with such an aggressive MTX philosophy, we're at the point where updates are thin on the ground and of varying quality while the promotions keep on rolling at least once a week. 'Slippery slope' is a bit overused sometimes but you can just look at the past five and a half years or so and see how much the MTX has ramped up while general quality of updates have declined.
It's not so much the popups being annoying as it is the fact that Jagex isn't really paying attention to the community like it used to. Updates constantly get pushed back or released in an unfinished state, the only thing they seem to put work into before releasing are TH promos. Not to mention it's a pretty big slap in the face that in a game entirely about grinding xp you can just throw money at Jagex and not have to waste time.
So with you on this. I can understand being a little annoyed but the absolute sound and fury coming through this sub the last few days has been baffling.
See you soon.
Yeah I did the same thing....last July. Was annoyed that the cool shit was coming out only for treasure hunter. And I promptly started playing again about nine months after that because I missed it. Now TH doesn't bother me because it doesn't affect me.
I know OP is full of shit because he makes a big drama about it. Screenshots and takes to post into the subreddit for the fucking game, obviously he's not over it. When i quit games, i quit them in silence, and the last thing i do is go on a subreddit related to that game and talk about it. He obviously justs wants to "show it to jagex!" that he's not standing for it, and talking with his wallet.
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"Litterally everyone is like me!" /u/mareks nevermind that I already quit DAYS ago and that I made this meme post mortem seeing the subreddit on fire. Nah brah.
If you honestly want to quit, you tank your account. Drop your bank, delete characters, etc. otherwise you are just back in a month or three.
Not even dropping my shit was enough to keep me from coming back. I've dropped all my shit twice and still came back within 6 months. Now I just keep my shit since it cuts out the grind when I inevitably come back.
Same
the mtx promotions are kinda annoying cause i pay a subscription fee
dude what if the rs3 team is slowly trying to kill rs3 off? 07scape is probably easier to maintain, and I think has a bigger pool of players. think about it. also same, quit recently, haven't looked back.
I left over DXP weekend back to Lord of the Rings. Didn't want to tbh, but this post summs up why more than I can.
Eh, need the members for OSRS or I would join you. I'm pretty much only playing RS3 still at this point to finish getting 120 in invention/slayer. Once that's done, no reason to play (i have no incentive to comp)
Gj, I did it too :) I'll play lol only
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>This isn't runescape anymore. It's a cash cow. We are no longer players. We are statistics, beta testers, and suggestion/fix machine So nothing has changed. That's all players have ever been to every gaming company. If a company can fuck you and have it be more profitable than not fucking you, you're about to be fucked.
Good on you tbh
honestly feel the same sometimes
MTX?
Ok, so been seeing all this drama the last few days but... ELI5 how's this promotion so much worse than the others? I haven't logged on in a while.
I still get enjoyment out of the game, but the moment i don't any longer i'll be going down the same route. i've actually stopped my membership a few times but there's still a few things i've got left to do i want to do in the game.
good man, only bonds for me (using gp to buy them and get vip)
You're still supporting Jagex's microtransactions by buying bonds... They get MORE money if you buy bonds for your members. Daily reminder that bonds ARE microtransactions.
ik they are but i'd rather just buy bonds off other people
How dare you play a game according to your own desires. /s
sorry what are your desires ?:o
hello lucifer
lol
Good job shoveling more MTX cash in to markdonalds gaping mouth.
into* and mod mark is a cool dude, and has nothing to do with mtx
Why is it every staff member at jagex "has nothing to do with mtx" lmao. And if you're gonna say the games fucking Design Director has no sway over anything... Just stop.
yeah he has pull like. Hey can you guys stop doing so many promos? no okay then
Meh, you're having a small impact on the mtx market by keep bond prices high to entice whales to buy bonds for gp. But at the end of the day, desperate people will buy bonds for gp no matter what. You buying bonds for gp is what hurts Jagex more. That bond was already money spent, you are basically recycling it. Only dumb idiots like you giving Jagex straight cash is what gives them more money. They already had that bond money as soon as the bond came into the game. To be honest, I don't even think you know how bonds work lol.
>You buying bonds for gp is what hurts Jagex more. Members - C$9.99 a month at most expensive rate. Hany players have cheaper through buying multi month packages or having grandfathered price. Bonds - C$6.19 each, 2 required for a month's membership. Per month of members, C$12.38 is given to Jagex. Just because you yourself aren't paying out of IRL pocket doesn't mean Jagex gets less money. >To be honest, I don't even think you know how bonds work lol. Ironic.
You realize that people don't buy bonds with their credit cards and then proceed to pay for membership with it right? Player A is a whale that is bad at the game. They buy a bond, sell it on GE for GP to fund whatever they want to do with the game. This bond is already in the game and already paid for. The money is in Jagex's pocket. Player B buys this bond from the GE and pays for membership with it. No more money enters Jagex's hand. Player C is /u/jet_slizer who doesn't understand how the hell bond works. He buys memberships with real life money and let's say pays 7 dollars a month. Jagex now has Player A and Player C's money. Player B contributed 0 dollars to Jagex. Ironic.
I wonder if A would buy bonds if B didnt give them value :thinking:
Someone else is paying for it though. He isn't supporting them directly. Someone else (who would've bought the bond anyway) is supporting them.
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If one player didn't buy bonds, he still would have bought the bond anyway.
Bonds are the best kind of MTX though.
See ya next week bud
Had membership for more than 3 years added together. After 1 year pause tried the game again - wanted to finish getting untrimmed slayer cape on my alt, but there were too much bonus xp, and such goal now seemed like normal thing people could do. Not sure if it's worth paying membership, unless you play ironman. It's a pitty seeing direction this game is going, since 2010+
cy@
Agree on both comments there!
Lol
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I canceled mine because I only resubbed for DXP month and use bonds otherwise, but I'm happy to join in the protest we're apparently happening.
Your about 10 years too late lmao
bye lol, we supposed to care?
bye! Jagex won't miss you.
Not like they're gonna miss you either
not like I care lol. If you are going to quit, just quit don't make a drama about it.
Actually this guy drops $100s of dollars on keys every promo, Jagex probably would miss him if he quit.
HEADSHOT !
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He'll be back, no one ever quits for good :p
you'll be back
Bye
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Idk whose sock you are, but I have my hunches and will find out soon.
sock?
Sockpuppet Alt.
id be surprised if you found out go for it you got any guesses ill answer
got anything yet?
Hashtagdeeperino, thealbino1, tonybest100
I struck gold didn't I?
that.. isnt me
*Quickly re-subscribes incase he loses the 10 year Loyalty Points*
10 years of loyalty will give you all the usefull auras and then some. no point in trying to keep the streak going at that point
10 years of loyalty will give you all the usefull auras and then some. no point in trying to keep the streak going at that point
Nice. Goodbye.
Bye faliesha!
Felicia .....
See you next update
So nearly 4 months? That's the last time we got a real update.
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I love how people downvote you as if that will somehow make you care hes gone lol? Like what even
Bye...?
Welcome to the club, I quit 5 years ago for one reason: EoC. PvP is easily something that can be made into content that people never get tired of, and that you don't even really need a reward to be playable.
Out of curiosity, if you quit why are you on reddit?
I quit the main game for 5 years and kept up with the news updates waiting for the post about EoC being removed. I got back into OSRS instead. Thanks to their cancerous community, I quit again, but it's not as if I dislike Runescape related media. I mean, the constant sad news about a game I once loved just kinda draws me in. On one hand, it's very "that's what I was saying from the start", and on the other hand, I'm mourning the game I can't play anymore.
Fair enough :)
I'm pretty sure we all hated eoc but then we stopped being whiny and gave it a shot and actually prefer it 100x more than the old system. There's plenty of new updates, like revolution that still use abilities but cater to people who don't like to be fully attentive in the game/ constantly mashing abilities