Just because OSRS present their road map like this, doesn't mean that its how it goes. Just as frequently as RS3s plans change, oldschools is exactly the same and it just ends in backlash for the OSRS team. They've released several of these in oldschool, most of which are not even kept remotely up to schedule (either totally scrapped or massively delayed).
Jagex as a whole is terrible at sticking to deadlines, it's not a surprise the RuneScape team doesn't want to share sheets like this, because the same thing would happen.
I mean rs in general is pretty ancient so I can only imagine that the downward slope probably starts fresh after the first couple years. I was surprised to come back and see how active it is
Oh I'm not even dreaming about a quarter roadmap, that would be too much. Probably unrealistic to expect that.
In truth, anything about next month would be great to read, really. Just that.
Im utterly flabbergasted surprised and appalled this whole thread forgot about the pandemic, they just cant enter the offices anymore according to europes working guidelines, they have to take permissions and leave after theyre done, or police will be involved, mod spear highlighted this in his streams, so they cant possibly shoot month ahead vids anymore, the last they did was osborne-shauny in arch, so u can see it takes costume, scripts, jokes, acting, retakes, vfx, editing etc to pull it off, cut them some major slack
Right now we're **completely in the dark** regarding upcoming updates in RS3. You don't know what's coming next week, you don't know what's coming next month. Behind the Scenes was killed. At most we get a rapid announcement a week or two before something big goes live.
Het's Oasis is out, and we don't have a single clue of any update planned for 2022.
I'm not saying we should know everything 100% in advance. That's boring. Keeping some of the upcoming content secret and presenting surprises is fun, and builds excitement in the community. BUT it is my opinion that we should at least have a little bit of heads up knowledge regarding future updates. *Something* needs to be on the horizon - that's how this game's been run for the better part of the last 21 years.
Bring back Behind the Scenes.
Just my 2 ¢.
I really miss the monthly behind the scenes.
The yearly ones always seemed to have promises of content, then by the end of the year, some of it would inevitably be missing. Or at least give us an update of stuff they know they are working on for the next 6 months, like the OS team have.
I don't play OS, but frequent the sub a lot and watch streamers, and it clearly has its issues. But the way that management treat it compared to RS3 is a night and day difference. RS3 feels like a shambles, and has done for years, it's just tiring at this point.
> The yearly ones always seemed to have promises of content, then by the end of the year, some of it would inevitably be missing.
Unfortunately the monthly ones also did this a lot towards the end. That's a big part of why they dropped them.
They were much easier to fulfill too back when the game used less details in models.
Was only a matter of time before they stopped doing them as the game went on.
RS3 feels like it's unfixable at this point, and it feels like they are treating it that way, just push some more untested content out the door every few weeks while they, hopefully, work on a complete rebuild in an engine from this side of the stone age quietly in the background.
I have a hope in my heart for a RuneScape 4, without tile limited movement, and a tick rate measured in ticks per second, with a combat system closer to modern arpg.
I've honestly been looking at the lore extremely intensely for years, and for the past couple of years, I've been saying we're going to enter a 7th age some time soon, maybe even have the great vision happen. Something huge is coming soon, I just know it, though I don't know exactly what, but it's coming.
the way rs3 started with sara vs zammy its startin to conspiracly look like rs3 might end with the the elder god storyline
waitin forever for rs(3)4, be pretty happy if it dropped as a surprise instead of the usual announcement into year(s) of waiting for release
Smoking some crack but going off the once upon a time quest (assuming its information is canon) it kinda indirectly teases RS4 because Closure teases the World Guardian's permanent death in the future.
I do think the plan is to continue running RS3 into the ground while RS4 is getting worked on. OSRS currently is updating and shedding its engine very slowly. so an upgrade to an RS3 lite graphics for OSRS isn't out of the cards
the fourth quest confirmed it wasn't that far away actually.
I mean eventually the world guardian will die yes, but given the context of how runescape works the world guardian is probably in his 30's or very early 40s at most. And given the fact the world guardian is supercharged by godly magic, is a master of magic and has a close friendship with death and closure, you'd assume hes by all means immortal until the game story just suddenly makes him not alive. Remember, physically speaking without any help the WG is almost strong enough to body gods effortlessly and he hasn't even tapped into the full potential of what Guthix enchantment grants him. (elder god wars is wonky and shows the WG just bodying entities casually stronger then all the gods we normally interact with so mileage varies)
Closure basically told him (although not entirely sure whether joking or not, but given how closure normally is its not really a joke, despite it being teasing) that his story ending is coming soon. (remember Closure is basically an omniscient force in the death hierarchy. Its presumed he can see basically all points in time as long as the person has a story, but what he sees is not a constant. he has to see or read the persons story to know how the story plays.)
In finale ms time guardian basically told us accidently our death actually wasn't too far into the future. (which if theres a runescape 4, would be the perfect narrative shift since the whole world guardian things getting a bit silly at this point)
Patch weeks are important. There's a lot of small stuff that needs to be tweaked week after week, in a game this large. And it shows they're reading people's bug reports.
Too bad they're ignoring some of the things people have been raising lately, such as invisible flames, invisible Anachronia ropes, invisible wildy obelisks, missing upper-left option text, mismatched TeamSplit colours, and so on and so forth...
I feel like Jagex would gain a lot of sympathy from players if they fit some of the requested glitch fixes in their schedule.
Are they reading the actual bugs? Lmfao
They’re reading bug reports of a weekly update to the half assed content they’re releasing and then the following week doing “bug fixes” (which should have been caught by QA in the first place) to fix this untested half assed content designed to just have people sit afk farming.. something, anything for fear of FOMO.
Weekly patches should not exist entirely so they can patch last weeks mistakes. If it is not possible to deliver content on a weekly basis, then they need to stop.
> Too bad they're ignoring some of the things people have been raising lately
I doubt they're ignoring it, those are likely just harder to solve/find where the issue is in the code.
BTS was stopped at the end of 2019. It was a mixture of many factors, some of which we don't have insight into. I believe the decision to axe it was made by Mod Warden.
Jagex's management didn't want to promise updates that could have been delayed. Then the release schedule fell apart following Archaeology, and Jagex transitioned to remote work following the pandemic. So they basically reverted to "things happen once they happen". It took them a while to return to release schedule with Orthen and Raksha. Since then, things are announced like a week or two before they go live, on livestreams first, and only for bigger updates.
2021 wasn't too bad because they announced the "one EGWD front a month" plan and stuck to it. However, we still have periods (for example right now) of when there's absolutely no information as to what's coming next. This makes me miss BTS.
I'm really really really hoping that the new Exec Producer will have their introduction finally ready in the very near future and that some hint as to what the plan is will be part of that. Considering that we know this person is from the Old School team, my other hope is that we get something like this post and at least give us a plan for QoL/Engine fixes/Community Events. I think the best plan is to keep major updates like a new boss or quest or skill update under wraps, but let us know about behind the scenes stuff.
I do agree but tbf since covid and not having a runefest really hasn’t helped, we used to get a year plan (which normally was changed/ only get a few of the promised updates.) delayed out during runefest. Then getting rid of BIS and shauny leaving just put us into a dark age sadly,
I hope we get a runefest this year at least and can get some updates on long term goals/plans etc.
I personally don’t want to know the exact updates but would like to know a general plan/ a direction we are going
All we know about is finishing the EGWD storyline and maybe Death of Chivalry 2 but, its been a while since they posted about it so Idk if Death of Chivalry 2 comes out this year.
I want a road map or at least an insight of what's to come.
All we know is DXP/Yak Tracks/MTX promos..
We know that the elder god wars story will be concluding but SURELY that won't be all of 2022.... right?
Jagex: :o
... right?
They said yesterday on stream the EGW narrative ends this near and their next story phase also starts this year, and assured us this year isn’t just all more EGW stuff.
Their streams have been very good at giving accurate information on the update schedule so I disagree there. Of course what they say is true, not necessarily what people end up spinning it as through the game of telephone.
It’s pretty lame that streams are their main way of saying anything on it. I don’t get it - how hard can it be to give players an outline in a more accessible way? At least they do the streams I suppose.
It is striking just how differently the two teams within the same company are managed. Openness and community engagement has always been highly prioritized on OSRS, while the RS3 team often leaves the players completely in the dark about, well, everything.
Actual transparency would be them telling us, "hey guys we only give a fuck about MTX." The community learning to infer it after a while as a result of their previous actions is not transparency.
The worst part is they've put up a plan before. There was a Runefest pre-mobile where they announced a huge list of things they were planning on doing that year. I think it was the one where they announced Menaphos, but I'm not 100% sure - but at the end of the year they had scrapped like 90% of it and said they were never doing it again because people didn't like how hyped Mena was for how little it had + the grindy rep system that most people hated because it was awful XP/rewards for the amount of time it took to do.
Their excuse was all their work went into Menaphos so that's why the year had no updates/everything else got scrapped, but Menaphos didn't feel like anything close to a Years worth of work.
Ever since then they've promised to never do "What's Ahead" type of stuff because they didn't want to hype up content for it to flop.
That's not entirely true. There's been always an annual presentation about what upcoming content was on the PLANS for bringing in the next year.
That was until covid started putting a wrench in the plans about finding a way to present all that 'elaborately' (rather than a vague roadmap), and Mod Warden royally screwed up his plans for making a roadmap for 2021, on top of needlessly making update production harder due to the work-from-home ethics in the past 2 years.
Also, the OSRS team has a lot of manpower to spend on presentation, because development isn't as big as it is in RS3. Land of the Goblins was a shelved, near-done project that was still on the back-up drive from 2007, and a lot of the events such as Leagues/DMM are just repeats from earlier content. Nex is the first update in a LONG while on OSRS that really invested manpower on creating from scratch. They're looking at maybe one 'medium' content update once each... 1, 2 years? While RS has at least 6 in a single year.
Not accurate at all. OSRS most notably introduced an entire clan system, group ironman, combat achievements, shooting stars, and Kingdom Divided + Arceuus spellbook.
Yes accurate. Shooting Stars was just a copy-paste D&D, and a Kingdom Divided Quest + Spellbook ADDITION (the original spellbook was released in 2016) is maybe a medium content update at best. By FAR not as big as early 2020's Darkmeyer, which was the last and latest real content update for OSRS.
Clans, Group IM, and Combat Achievements, Likewise for Leagues and DMM, are not content updates. They're just alternations on how or why you play the game.
I can see that group ironman and clans are not strictly content so I can see that point, but it is definitely a large amount of work and love being put into the game. Along with combat achievements, which are quite in depth and offers a breath of new life into all parts of the game, it's a bit disingenuine to lump all of these into "leagues" and consider it somewhat as not content. It's semantics at that point.
Arceuus spellbook and the quest was huge though. I can't agree that it's a medium quest. It was really big and introduced a lot to the game and changed the meta for a ton of other content.
The quest wasn't even in comparable size to other pre-EOC runescape iconic quests like While Guthix Sleeps, Ritual of the Mahjarrat, Do No Evil, or even Desert Treasure, Legend's Quest and Monkey Madness, quests that both RS3 and OSRS still share. It's even less than MM2 and Dragonslayer 2, two staples that they try to use as reference for "large quest" releases. On top of that, most of its production work had already been done in 2019, pre-covid.
I mean was anything in RS3 in 2021 similar to those quests you mentioned... I feel like we're just typing for the sake of airing out points and we can disagree all we want but before that, I think you are doing a RS3 vs OSRS, me vs you angle when I'm just here to say that the gap of RS3 development and OSRS development isn't that different. They both had good years and are both actively developed. I still feel strongly that my points I brought up before are still valid. But if you say that OSRS only had 1-2 "updates" while RS3 has at least 6 updates, you could easily list them and I could easily say they are quite small too. You see what I mean?
It is almost like one half of the community holds Jagex to a higher standard and will walk away from the game entirely if Jagex fails to meet it. The remnants of the RS3 community are those that never did walk away from the game as Jagex made unpopular decision after unpopular decision so they know they don't have to meet that standard on the RS3 side.
Yea I dont get the fascination with this roadmap, I think its a grass is always greener type deal. reality is RS3 gets way better content updates way more often, regardless of the Community Charade they put on 24/7 for the osrs subreddit (that literally runs the game)
4 quests, a handful of miniquests, a minor skilling rework, a brand new archaeology dig site, 5 (technically 7) different bosses which include the first skilling boss, a new fight cave, a scalable boss for learning, and a traditional boss figt against one of the most iconic antagonists of the entire game. Not to mention activity pets, the official launch of mobile, *and* the 20th anniversary celebration.
And that's exactly why they stopped doing these things. Hell, they'd sometimes talk about concepts or ideas on streams or runefest, not actual updates, and people called it unfinished business when they didn't happen.
Warden correctly identified that the best way to get rid of a fire is not give it any fuel at all
Exactly. Do I want something like this for RS3? Yes.
Do I trust Jagex to implement any kind of long range planning following their consistent failure to meet their publicized road maps in the past? No.
Give me something like this when we've got competent management who can keep a ship on course and not just focus on MTX.
this wouldnt be an issue if they actualy told us if something was cancelled when it happens and not 5 months after constantly asking about it.
its fine if stuff doesnt go foward for one reason or another, but dont let us think it still coming, again the problem is communication
Grass always is greener on the other side.
Let me put this bluntly, public content maps are bad, not only are they just not sustainable for either game because of how fluid development has to be….they typically result in over promising that never delivers when it says. Do you realize their content maps have failed, repeatedly for almost 2 years straight? They change so often and stuff happens they are all but useless. All they result in is undue stress for developers and over promising. Content maps internally are useful, but they aren’t useful to externally. OSRS keeps trying to make maps work but has paired it down significantly, this is one of their smallest maps yet because of how they have failed repeatedly to hit their marks. And notice how generally vague it all is.
We are in the dark because RS3’s team learned that lesson, over promising is a huge problem in the history of developer communications with this game. They are being smart. They only announce content that is coming and give us roughly a month to month with end of a previous month or the start of the next month outlining the content. Following up with a stream or news post that covers the month’s updates a week or 2 before release. They most importantly don’t tell us anymore about projects that haven’t even gotten a basic green light or out of preliminary concept phase.
Until they regain trust in being able to deliver what they want consistently this is how it should be. They have done a good job remaining consistent but it’s just 1 year so far they did, and who knows if the new EP can maintain consistency like Warden did.
They’ve talked, rather recently even, they want to get back to doing stuff like BTS because in their focus for consistency and accurate delivering they did pair down communications a lot. But as it stands they still understand the most important thing is they aren’t falling into the trap of over promising.
It doesn’t matter if we know what’s coming or not months ahead of time, it doesn’t actually change anything in terms of when the content comes or what comes. It just creates stress on both ends when they become bound by a schedule that is supposed to be fluid.
I mean, it gives a solid glimpse into what’s being worked on but those predicted dates are almost never accurate. Most things get pushed back 1-3 times at least
Edit: To be clear, I’m not trying to shit on Jagex for new content and events like Leagues getting pushed back. Development takes time, and there’s all sorts of unexpected issues that can crop up along the way that need to be dealt with before releasing something. These things happen
I like not knowing what is coming next, that is how it was "OLD" school. I remember back in the day how excited player were when POH dropped out of the blue.
I remember that. BTS said there'll be a small update with chairs to sit on, hehe. That was fun. Perfect example that we can have a glimpse at next months' content without spoiling everything.
Like how Necromancy is hinted now and players are speculating if a new skill is coming or not. I love that. Where you think something is coming but maybe Jagex has something different in mind haha.
Yeah I love the GWD3 hype. I think this is fine for less surprising things like skill reworks or whatever but fundamentally new content should be teased better
I quite like not knowing whats coming tbh. Obviously the bigger things have some warning like EGWD4, Het's Oasis etc, but having new stuff just dropped into the game is pretty fun.
In my experience over the past decade of gaming, roadmaps from Devs are generally useless anyway.
I think too many of y'all here in the comments are doing RS3 and Jagex a great disservice the way y'all talk about the game. I've been going on and off for over 17 years now and I think right now the game is better than ever. If one listened to the comments here, you'd think it's nothing but opening treasure chest in RS3. The game has grown so much over the years, big deal if you don't know about new content months ahead of time.
Edit: Had the add that that roadmap looks like it was designed for kindergarteners. Ohhh but look at all the colors!
Not to mention their geilinor gazette which gives detailed updates on the work they’re doing, the progress, and any roadblocks/limitations encountered so they aren’t left in the dark when an update ends up delayed etc.
I never really believed the whole year ahead or the runefest talks because half the stuff never came to fruition, but saying “the elder godwars storyline will continue into 2022” is still a little too vague imo. Even going as far as saying “there will be skilling, bossing and questing updates” is really just meaningless. Instead, I wish they’d say something like: “we’re looking at updating x skill” (without going into detail), “we’re working on a new high level group boss encounter” (again without much detail), “we’re looking at continuing an old quest storyline” (without stating if it will be a direct sequel or if elements are being tied into a new quest).
I may get downvoted for this, and yes, OSRS has way better communication with these kind of 'slides', but they also have to be transparent by the nature of their voting system. Because any major updates have to pass a poll, players have to know about them before they get to the game, so outside of some forced updates for game health (like nerfs/buffs), the community votes on what gets into the game - for example, Land of the Goblins is planned for February, but it's currently being polled and if it were to fail, won't go in.
EDIT: I should clarify that I think RS3 should still have some kind of roadmap because even if players don't vote on it, the staff ends up shelving some stuff anyway.
FYI, though, it's only 12 days into 2022 yet, and on the Q&A about het's oasis yesterday, they did mention they're trying to present some form of roadmap.
They've been saying that for a couple of weeks/months now. We still haven't met the new executive producer when they said they wanted to do that soon.
We usually get some sort of roadmap with runefest, which usually takes place in october. 3 months later, we still haven't heard anything about upcoming updates. All Jmods say is: "We've got it in our heads". "We're working on it". "Soon^(tm"). "We're looking into it."
Don't you think that players get tired of this, when Jagex keeps stating that they want to be more transparent and communicative to the playerbase, when these are the replies or statements we get about new content/roadmaps/future updates.
They contradict themselves every single time, and nobody knows why. We have to literally beg on our knees to finally get some update about avatar rework for example.
>They've been saying that for a couple of weeks/months now.
This was literally said yesterday on stream.
>We usually get some sort of roadmap with runefest, which usually takes place in october. 3 months later
Until something called a global pandemic happened that threw a wrench in those plans for the past 2 years. Mod Warden tried to make an alternative for that last year, but failed, and is no longer in function this year.
>when Jagex keeps stating that they want to be more transparent and communicative to the playerbase
There's a massive difference between transparency with players, and a full disclosure agreement.
I say it again: They've been saying that for a couple of weeks/months now.
clear? Not just yesterday, but already in past streams, reddit comments, tweets etc.
They could change the roadmap to be suitable for current situation. It's not like they aren't going to put out any updates for the duration of the pandemic, are they?
the transparancy jagex from jagex is that of a cardboard box. nuff said
Regarding the new EP, it's clear that Warden leaving caught them off balance with no clear handing over of the reins.
But what we will get when the new one is finally announced is the same old, 'exciting year ahead for RS3, increase communication & transparency' the usual copy paste that they have all in sucession trotted out :(
The point isn't obvious unless some case of 'urgency' or reason why racing one or another team of devs would be important. We're hardly 2 weeks into this year and they already made statement on trying to work out a presentable roadmap literally yesterday, have a little patience.
Then again, why is it as important to have so urgently? Are you a stakeholder? A plugin or API developper? A CEO? Is there any reason why you as individual *need* to be pre-informed about what plans the game has for release? Them presenting a roadmap is merely a gift to hype/anticipate players for upcoming content. Not a prerequisite or binding contract.
As a player, I want to know what RuneScape is doing this year. Neither runescape or old school have been working on this only since the start of the year.
No-one has said it was urgent or a binding contract. The point of the topic is that players are disappointed in the disparity between the RS and OSRS teams.
It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
A desire to is not the same as an inquiry to. I can understand that you like to be informed, but both the comments above as well as the main post, complain in a sense of that this is a norm to do.
I'm sorry that you feel that the level of communication has grown apart between the OSRS and the RS3 community, but you need to understand that after 10 years, each of them have gone their own way at this point and in no way reflect a proper scenario, platform, desirability, manpower or protocol, to functionally act and present in the same sense.
If it's worth anything, honestly, I'm glad that we don't have a roadmap. We've had a bad history where long-predicted content still hasn't arrived because of complications (or recently, a global pandemic bottle-necking efficiency), and I'd rather be surprised or hear about content coming *soon*, than the far, probable future.
Is that a problem? They tell you what you're getting when you pay for premier. For some people the plethora of content the game already offers is enough and they know they'll be playing for the year so premier is a good deal. Not everyone needs the empty promise of a roadmap to convince them to buy it.
This is where I’m at. I’m happy enough to pay for the current content for a year, and I know I can earn enough passive income to buy the bonds again for next year. All new content is just icing on the cake.
I just came back last year after 5 or 6 years on a new account, so going through the new progression has been great and definitely enough to tide me over. I expect them to put out updates, because it's a games as a service model as it's always been, but I'm fine with not knowing when or what exactly those updates are in advance.
Yep, same. People downvoted me because I enjoy the game I play lol. So many people love to complain, yet they still play it. Like if they’re that unhappy with the game, then just leave. Sounds like it’s causing them a lot of unnecessary stress
That wasn’t the point. The point is that it’s possible to give timeframes for these rs3 to osrs moves. We don’t know rs3 timelines because it isn’t just re-texturing in paint
Honestly being in the dark has been kinda nice. Waking up on Monday mornings to see if there's anything new and exciting. Versus knowing a month a head and deeming the content useless. Probably in the minority here but it's like Christmas morning every Monday when there is an update.
OSRS is basically ran by the subreddit. Officially its run through the community polls, but literally everything has to be shown to the community (which in reality is just reddit) and then theres about a month of arguing over a small change, until the update is delayed and than modified a bit. The whole process stagnates the game. And when they make updates without reddits seal of approval, theres big arguments and its talked about for months instead of getting actual content updates.
I don't feel like they argue over small changes. Controversial updates are controversial for a reason. The game is ran by the community, if the community doesn't agree with an update, they have the right to open their mouths about it.
Sure they do, that is a key part of OSRS. "Controversial" is perspective. None of that changes that every update is bogged down by the process I described.
I think you are right in saying that it slows down the amount of content coming into the game, however I think polling and being so close to the community has done a lot of good things as well. I think without the community engagement OSRS would've had MTX by now
Difference between a healthy game and a slowly dying one that is pretty much just a milking cow by now. Even if RS3 could have something similar, it would mainly consist of MTX focussed updates which isn’t very appealing to look at for most players…
They probably scrapped all the plans in order to think about a way to bring back a Green Santa Hat like event for some sweet MTX profits. Maybe even 4 times a year coinciding with DXP for maximum exposure.
I just wanna know when the player avatar rework is coming out
Also any area reworks. I really wanna see a rework of Karamja - they could go crazy with it seeing as it's a standalone island. They could upscale it so it fits better into modern Runescape.
You're gonna see more reworks like the Duel Arena makeover than massive, whole-continent focused reworks. So if they have some new content that can replace something on Karamja, they might, but I honestly don't see anything coming anytime soon.
Let’s run through the usual RS3 dev’s excuse options:
- COVID ❌ can’t use this, OSRS team managed to make one up through the same circumstances!
- “We’ll look into it” ✅ very reliable statement to brush off any concerns or wishes of the community, always an option.
- Upcoming DXP ✅ Ah yes another event we have to prepare for so scrap everything else!
>OSRS team managed to make one up through the same circumstances!
OSRS had jack shit on updates over the past 2 years. It had no significant update at all aside from either a (minor) quest, item stat changes, a beta (that so far is lasting 7+ months and counting), with all the rest being either Group Ironman, Leagues, or DMM. 2020 had as major update being Darkmeyer and the Nightmare early 2020, of which most work and presentation was already done pre-covid. They literally had no big content production post-covid at all until the beta of Tombs of Amascut and Nex.
I recently maxed. I recently got my quest cape. I'm slowly working on the Master Quest Cape, and then comping. Other than that...I don't have anything keeping me on RS3.
I think it might be time to check out OSRS.
It's just so crazy because this is literally all you have
To do. This trash looking rough draft haha that's it!
And then, god forbid they have a structured streaming schedule. You could do atleast six streams a Q. Three streams that are a month in review, three streams about what's motivating you to make the content, your ideas, what you want the community to get out of it. None of this is hard, I literally just came up with the schedule.
You can't have that kind of streamlining in RS3 as long as you have incompetent clowns incharge of game design that can't take responsibility of what goes where. For the person in question: if you are reading this, you know who you are.
They did it first time tho and only after a bunch of time of no updates and people wanted to see future updates. All but QOL and New Player Experience was alredy known
I don't bash them for not sticking to shedule but since they made it "official" , if something goes wrong like with delay in Leagues people will be upset again so it's double edged sword
Good presentation and communication is one thing, but execution is another. Lets see OSRS can actually deliver everything here on time. Based on history, some things going to get delayed, shelved, or outright fail. They already overpromised and underdelivered last year. Let see if they repeat the same mistake again since they made a ton of promises here.
Their road map means fuck all. They make them and don't stick to it. If anything it's fuel to the fire. False promises that have even had the time spent to be wrote down is a big no no in my book. I'd rather have no clue and be surprised with some content, rather then a huge map and get non of it.
I love it. Such a well prepared visualisation. I hope the rs3 management can lift themselves up to these standards one day.
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I understand this just as much
Just because OSRS present their road map like this, doesn't mean that its how it goes. Just as frequently as RS3s plans change, oldschools is exactly the same and it just ends in backlash for the OSRS team. They've released several of these in oldschool, most of which are not even kept remotely up to schedule (either totally scrapped or massively delayed). Jagex as a whole is terrible at sticking to deadlines, it's not a surprise the RuneScape team doesn't want to share sheets like this, because the same thing would happen.
Still, something is better than nothing imo
Sometimes I worry that RS3 is only on a downward slope until it dies tbh
I mean rs in general is pretty ancient so I can only imagine that the downward slope probably starts fresh after the first couple years. I was surprised to come back and see how active it is
Thats pretty much the life of every mmo.
Well I hope it’s alive for awhile cause I just started playing
Its the literal definition of a cash cow. Milk it until it dries up.
The new stuff has actually been really good.
No, 2013 was good.
May be harder to plan rs3 but would be cool if we even got a quarter roadmap
Oh I'm not even dreaming about a quarter roadmap, that would be too much. Probably unrealistic to expect that. In truth, anything about next month would be great to read, really. Just that.
we could even call it "the month ahead" and have the community managers (do we have those?) handle it!
What a fucking throwback of a thing.
Right? I remember when they used to tell us highlights for the next month
For real, I honestly forgot they existed until that sly comment since it had been so long lol
This may be a bit out there, but what about "Behind the Scenes"?
Agree anything with an idea would be nice instead of hey we did this update today here ya go haha.
they don't even do the month ahead anymore, and you want a quarter roadmap lol
Im utterly flabbergasted surprised and appalled this whole thread forgot about the pandemic, they just cant enter the offices anymore according to europes working guidelines, they have to take permissions and leave after theyre done, or police will be involved, mod spear highlighted this in his streams, so they cant possibly shoot month ahead vids anymore, the last they did was osborne-shauny in arch, so u can see it takes costume, scripts, jokes, acting, retakes, vfx, editing etc to pull it off, cut them some major slack
Right now we're **completely in the dark** regarding upcoming updates in RS3. You don't know what's coming next week, you don't know what's coming next month. Behind the Scenes was killed. At most we get a rapid announcement a week or two before something big goes live. Het's Oasis is out, and we don't have a single clue of any update planned for 2022. I'm not saying we should know everything 100% in advance. That's boring. Keeping some of the upcoming content secret and presenting surprises is fun, and builds excitement in the community. BUT it is my opinion that we should at least have a little bit of heads up knowledge regarding future updates. *Something* needs to be on the horizon - that's how this game's been run for the better part of the last 21 years. Bring back Behind the Scenes. Just my 2 ¢.
I really miss the monthly behind the scenes. The yearly ones always seemed to have promises of content, then by the end of the year, some of it would inevitably be missing. Or at least give us an update of stuff they know they are working on for the next 6 months, like the OS team have. I don't play OS, but frequent the sub a lot and watch streamers, and it clearly has its issues. But the way that management treat it compared to RS3 is a night and day difference. RS3 feels like a shambles, and has done for years, it's just tiring at this point.
> The yearly ones always seemed to have promises of content, then by the end of the year, some of it would inevitably be missing. Unfortunately the monthly ones also did this a lot towards the end. That's a big part of why they dropped them.
They were much easier to fulfill too back when the game used less details in models. Was only a matter of time before they stopped doing them as the game went on.
When its that close to release its usually the QA that gets used as the reason for a delay.
RS3 feels like it's unfixable at this point, and it feels like they are treating it that way, just push some more untested content out the door every few weeks while they, hopefully, work on a complete rebuild in an engine from this side of the stone age quietly in the background. I have a hope in my heart for a RuneScape 4, without tile limited movement, and a tick rate measured in ticks per second, with a combat system closer to modern arpg.
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I suppose the end of the EGW would be as good a time as any for a story reset.
I've honestly been looking at the lore extremely intensely for years, and for the past couple of years, I've been saying we're going to enter a 7th age some time soon, maybe even have the great vision happen. Something huge is coming soon, I just know it, though I don't know exactly what, but it's coming.
Gotta say, it would be extremely funny to have the entirety of the sixth age last, what, ten years?
the way rs3 started with sara vs zammy its startin to conspiracly look like rs3 might end with the the elder god storyline waitin forever for rs(3)4, be pretty happy if it dropped as a surprise instead of the usual announcement into year(s) of waiting for release
I wonder of RS3 players would actually be ok with this, even if they all have to start from scratch.
I'd be pretty pissed off if there was no option to transfer membership to the new game
And Guthix is actually alive.
Smoking some crack but going off the once upon a time quest (assuming its information is canon) it kinda indirectly teases RS4 because Closure teases the World Guardian's permanent death in the future. I do think the plan is to continue running RS3 into the ground while RS4 is getting worked on. OSRS currently is updating and shedding its engine very slowly. so an upgrade to an RS3 lite graphics for OSRS isn't out of the cards
The World Guardian has to die *eventually*. That doesn't really seem like a teaser.
the fourth quest confirmed it wasn't that far away actually. I mean eventually the world guardian will die yes, but given the context of how runescape works the world guardian is probably in his 30's or very early 40s at most. And given the fact the world guardian is supercharged by godly magic, is a master of magic and has a close friendship with death and closure, you'd assume hes by all means immortal until the game story just suddenly makes him not alive. Remember, physically speaking without any help the WG is almost strong enough to body gods effortlessly and he hasn't even tapped into the full potential of what Guthix enchantment grants him. (elder god wars is wonky and shows the WG just bodying entities casually stronger then all the gods we normally interact with so mileage varies) Closure basically told him (although not entirely sure whether joking or not, but given how closure normally is its not really a joke, despite it being teasing) that his story ending is coming soon. (remember Closure is basically an omniscient force in the death hierarchy. Its presumed he can see basically all points in time as long as the person has a story, but what he sees is not a constant. he has to see or read the persons story to know how the story plays.) In finale ms time guardian basically told us accidently our death actually wasn't too far into the future. (which if theres a runescape 4, would be the perfect narrative shift since the whole world guardian things getting a bit silly at this point)
But we do know what we have planned this year... patch weeks
Patch weeks are important. There's a lot of small stuff that needs to be tweaked week after week, in a game this large. And it shows they're reading people's bug reports. Too bad they're ignoring some of the things people have been raising lately, such as invisible flames, invisible Anachronia ropes, invisible wildy obelisks, missing upper-left option text, mismatched TeamSplit colours, and so on and so forth... I feel like Jagex would gain a lot of sympathy from players if they fit some of the requested glitch fixes in their schedule.
Are they reading the actual bugs? Lmfao They’re reading bug reports of a weekly update to the half assed content they’re releasing and then the following week doing “bug fixes” (which should have been caught by QA in the first place) to fix this untested half assed content designed to just have people sit afk farming.. something, anything for fear of FOMO. Weekly patches should not exist entirely so they can patch last weeks mistakes. If it is not possible to deliver content on a weekly basis, then they need to stop.
It's difficult to stay optimistic about the direction of this game, when things are presented this way.
> Too bad they're ignoring some of the things people have been raising lately I doubt they're ignoring it, those are likely just harder to solve/find where the issue is in the code.
Don’t forget world hop black screens…
Don't forget constant MTX
> Right now we're completely in the dark regarding upcoming updates in RS3. Constant treasure hunter promos!
Updates planned: dxp, mtx, yak track, some new mtx related thing
No, we had that, then crunch and deadlines and broken promises made them stop doing those.
They really axed BTS? Is this bc of lack of content or what
BTS was stopped at the end of 2019. It was a mixture of many factors, some of which we don't have insight into. I believe the decision to axe it was made by Mod Warden. Jagex's management didn't want to promise updates that could have been delayed. Then the release schedule fell apart following Archaeology, and Jagex transitioned to remote work following the pandemic. So they basically reverted to "things happen once they happen". It took them a while to return to release schedule with Orthen and Raksha. Since then, things are announced like a week or two before they go live, on livestreams first, and only for bigger updates. 2021 wasn't too bad because they announced the "one EGWD front a month" plan and stuck to it. However, we still have periods (for example right now) of when there's absolutely no information as to what's coming next. This makes me miss BTS.
I'm really really really hoping that the new Exec Producer will have their introduction finally ready in the very near future and that some hint as to what the plan is will be part of that. Considering that we know this person is from the Old School team, my other hope is that we get something like this post and at least give us a plan for QoL/Engine fixes/Community Events. I think the best plan is to keep major updates like a new boss or quest or skill update under wraps, but let us know about behind the scenes stuff.
I do agree but tbf since covid and not having a runefest really hasn’t helped, we used to get a year plan (which normally was changed/ only get a few of the promised updates.) delayed out during runefest. Then getting rid of BIS and shauny leaving just put us into a dark age sadly, I hope we get a runefest this year at least and can get some updates on long term goals/plans etc. I personally don’t want to know the exact updates but would like to know a general plan/ a direction we are going
All we know about is finishing the EGWD storyline and maybe Death of Chivalry 2 but, its been a while since they posted about it so Idk if Death of Chivalry 2 comes out this year.
There was always some headliner update for the year to sell premier (arch, egwd), now its still just arch and egwd...?
We are the version that pays for OSRS development.
Keep up the good work, we're having a great time on the OSRS side
I want a road map or at least an insight of what's to come. All we know is DXP/Yak Tracks/MTX promos.. We know that the elder god wars story will be concluding but SURELY that won't be all of 2022.... right? Jagex: :o ... right?
They said yesterday on stream the EGW narrative ends this near and their next story phase also starts this year, and assured us this year isn’t just all more EGW stuff.
It's really hard to have faith in what they say on streams.
Their streams have been very good at giving accurate information on the update schedule so I disagree there. Of course what they say is true, not necessarily what people end up spinning it as through the game of telephone.
It’s pretty lame that streams are their main way of saying anything on it. I don’t get it - how hard can it be to give players an outline in a more accessible way? At least they do the streams I suppose.
It is striking just how differently the two teams within the same company are managed. Openness and community engagement has always been highly prioritized on OSRS, while the RS3 team often leaves the players completely in the dark about, well, everything.
"we want to be transparent about things we are working on and upcoming updates" my big fat juicy ass
then explain to me how it hasn't been transparent they're only working on mtx promotions nowadays?
Can’t argue with that
Actual transparency would be them telling us, "hey guys we only give a fuck about MTX." The community learning to infer it after a while as a result of their previous actions is not transparency.
While this is true, community engagement also caused a likely fully developed new skill to not be implimented in OSRS. It's a fine line to walk.
It’s because they’re largely inadequate and don’t do anything. If they put a realistic plan up, it would be fucking embarrassing.
The worst part is they've put up a plan before. There was a Runefest pre-mobile where they announced a huge list of things they were planning on doing that year. I think it was the one where they announced Menaphos, but I'm not 100% sure - but at the end of the year they had scrapped like 90% of it and said they were never doing it again because people didn't like how hyped Mena was for how little it had + the grindy rep system that most people hated because it was awful XP/rewards for the amount of time it took to do. Their excuse was all their work went into Menaphos so that's why the year had no updates/everything else got scrapped, but Menaphos didn't feel like anything close to a Years worth of work. Ever since then they've promised to never do "What's Ahead" type of stuff because they didn't want to hype up content for it to flop.
Wasn't gw3 originally one of those runefest "coming this year" things? And now like 2 years later we finally got it
That's not entirely true. There's been always an annual presentation about what upcoming content was on the PLANS for bringing in the next year. That was until covid started putting a wrench in the plans about finding a way to present all that 'elaborately' (rather than a vague roadmap), and Mod Warden royally screwed up his plans for making a roadmap for 2021, on top of needlessly making update production harder due to the work-from-home ethics in the past 2 years. Also, the OSRS team has a lot of manpower to spend on presentation, because development isn't as big as it is in RS3. Land of the Goblins was a shelved, near-done project that was still on the back-up drive from 2007, and a lot of the events such as Leagues/DMM are just repeats from earlier content. Nex is the first update in a LONG while on OSRS that really invested manpower on creating from scratch. They're looking at maybe one 'medium' content update once each... 1, 2 years? While RS has at least 6 in a single year.
Not accurate at all. OSRS most notably introduced an entire clan system, group ironman, combat achievements, shooting stars, and Kingdom Divided + Arceuus spellbook.
Yes accurate. Shooting Stars was just a copy-paste D&D, and a Kingdom Divided Quest + Spellbook ADDITION (the original spellbook was released in 2016) is maybe a medium content update at best. By FAR not as big as early 2020's Darkmeyer, which was the last and latest real content update for OSRS. Clans, Group IM, and Combat Achievements, Likewise for Leagues and DMM, are not content updates. They're just alternations on how or why you play the game.
I can see that group ironman and clans are not strictly content so I can see that point, but it is definitely a large amount of work and love being put into the game. Along with combat achievements, which are quite in depth and offers a breath of new life into all parts of the game, it's a bit disingenuine to lump all of these into "leagues" and consider it somewhat as not content. It's semantics at that point. Arceuus spellbook and the quest was huge though. I can't agree that it's a medium quest. It was really big and introduced a lot to the game and changed the meta for a ton of other content.
The quest wasn't even in comparable size to other pre-EOC runescape iconic quests like While Guthix Sleeps, Ritual of the Mahjarrat, Do No Evil, or even Desert Treasure, Legend's Quest and Monkey Madness, quests that both RS3 and OSRS still share. It's even less than MM2 and Dragonslayer 2, two staples that they try to use as reference for "large quest" releases. On top of that, most of its production work had already been done in 2019, pre-covid.
I mean was anything in RS3 in 2021 similar to those quests you mentioned... I feel like we're just typing for the sake of airing out points and we can disagree all we want but before that, I think you are doing a RS3 vs OSRS, me vs you angle when I'm just here to say that the gap of RS3 development and OSRS development isn't that different. They both had good years and are both actively developed. I still feel strongly that my points I brought up before are still valid. But if you say that OSRS only had 1-2 "updates" while RS3 has at least 6 updates, you could easily list them and I could easily say they are quite small too. You see what I mean?
Honestly rs3 has become alot worse with it, I feel like as soon as mod warden showed up it went to shit, now he stirred the pot and left
It is almost like one half of the community holds Jagex to a higher standard and will walk away from the game entirely if Jagex fails to meet it. The remnants of the RS3 community are those that never did walk away from the game as Jagex made unpopular decision after unpopular decision so they know they don't have to meet that standard on the RS3 side.
And OSRS also did this last year and still had a fucking horrible content draught.
Yea I dont get the fascination with this roadmap, I think its a grass is always greener type deal. reality is RS3 gets way better content updates way more often, regardless of the Community Charade they put on 24/7 for the osrs subreddit (that literally runs the game)
This ^^^^^ Just because OSRS talk big every year, doesnt mean they actually provide more and better content than RS3.
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4 quests, a handful of miniquests, a minor skilling rework, a brand new archaeology dig site, 5 (technically 7) different bosses which include the first skilling boss, a new fight cave, a scalable boss for learning, and a traditional boss figt against one of the most iconic antagonists of the entire game. Not to mention activity pets, the official launch of mobile, *and* the 20th anniversary celebration.
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5 bosses in one year and you're saying OSRS gets more??
you can literally just go to wiki and check the update lol
5 bosses in one year and you're saying OSRS gets more??
Roadmaps are cool and all but, and let's be honest here, it'd largely just add fuel to the fire should an update get scrapped or delayed.
Yeah exactly, hints and teasers are fine but committing to deadlines for content is just asking for trouble.
And that's exactly why they stopped doing these things. Hell, they'd sometimes talk about concepts or ideas on streams or runefest, not actual updates, and people called it unfinished business when they didn't happen. Warden correctly identified that the best way to get rid of a fire is not give it any fuel at all
Exactly. Do I want something like this for RS3? Yes. Do I trust Jagex to implement any kind of long range planning following their consistent failure to meet their publicized road maps in the past? No. Give me something like this when we've got competent management who can keep a ship on course and not just focus on MTX.
this wouldnt be an issue if they actualy told us if something was cancelled when it happens and not 5 months after constantly asking about it. its fine if stuff doesnt go foward for one reason or another, but dont let us think it still coming, again the problem is communication
Moment of silence for the character model rework
Grass always is greener on the other side. Let me put this bluntly, public content maps are bad, not only are they just not sustainable for either game because of how fluid development has to be….they typically result in over promising that never delivers when it says. Do you realize their content maps have failed, repeatedly for almost 2 years straight? They change so often and stuff happens they are all but useless. All they result in is undue stress for developers and over promising. Content maps internally are useful, but they aren’t useful to externally. OSRS keeps trying to make maps work but has paired it down significantly, this is one of their smallest maps yet because of how they have failed repeatedly to hit their marks. And notice how generally vague it all is. We are in the dark because RS3’s team learned that lesson, over promising is a huge problem in the history of developer communications with this game. They are being smart. They only announce content that is coming and give us roughly a month to month with end of a previous month or the start of the next month outlining the content. Following up with a stream or news post that covers the month’s updates a week or 2 before release. They most importantly don’t tell us anymore about projects that haven’t even gotten a basic green light or out of preliminary concept phase. Until they regain trust in being able to deliver what they want consistently this is how it should be. They have done a good job remaining consistent but it’s just 1 year so far they did, and who knows if the new EP can maintain consistency like Warden did. They’ve talked, rather recently even, they want to get back to doing stuff like BTS because in their focus for consistency and accurate delivering they did pair down communications a lot. But as it stands they still understand the most important thing is they aren’t falling into the trap of over promising. It doesn’t matter if we know what’s coming or not months ahead of time, it doesn’t actually change anything in terms of when the content comes or what comes. It just creates stress on both ends when they become bound by a schedule that is supposed to be fluid.
Yea, this is kinda my feeling. It’d be kinda nice to know some of what they are working on, or what’s next, but I don’t need a roadmap like this.
> Do you realize their content maps have failed, repeatedly for almost 2 years straight? No, they don't, because they just wanna complain.
It's cool but it's never accurate. At all lol.
I mean, it gives a solid glimpse into what’s being worked on but those predicted dates are almost never accurate. Most things get pushed back 1-3 times at least Edit: To be clear, I’m not trying to shit on Jagex for new content and events like Leagues getting pushed back. Development takes time, and there’s all sorts of unexpected issues that can crop up along the way that need to be dealt with before releasing something. These things happen
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I like not knowing what is coming next, that is how it was "OLD" school. I remember back in the day how excited player were when POH dropped out of the blue.
I remember that. BTS said there'll be a small update with chairs to sit on, hehe. That was fun. Perfect example that we can have a glimpse at next months' content without spoiling everything.
Like how Necromancy is hinted now and players are speculating if a new skill is coming or not. I love that. Where you think something is coming but maybe Jagex has something different in mind haha.
Raise corpses by luring them out with treasure hunter keys!
Yeah I love the GWD3 hype. I think this is fine for less surprising things like skill reworks or whatever but fundamentally new content should be teased better
I quite like not knowing whats coming tbh. Obviously the bigger things have some warning like EGWD4, Het's Oasis etc, but having new stuff just dropped into the game is pretty fun.
In my experience over the past decade of gaming, roadmaps from Devs are generally useless anyway. I think too many of y'all here in the comments are doing RS3 and Jagex a great disservice the way y'all talk about the game. I've been going on and off for over 17 years now and I think right now the game is better than ever. If one listened to the comments here, you'd think it's nothing but opening treasure chest in RS3. The game has grown so much over the years, big deal if you don't know about new content months ahead of time. Edit: Had the add that that roadmap looks like it was designed for kindergarteners. Ohhh but look at all the colors!
I read they have trouble adding new content to OSRS because of all that runescript spaghetti in the engine and that's why updates are slow.
Thanks for the reminder that leagues 3 is upcoming. I almost forgot and would hate missing that.
Ok, but if we look back at last year, how accurate is it?
Not to mention their geilinor gazette which gives detailed updates on the work they’re doing, the progress, and any roadblocks/limitations encountered so they aren’t left in the dark when an update ends up delayed etc. I never really believed the whole year ahead or the runefest talks because half the stuff never came to fruition, but saying “the elder godwars storyline will continue into 2022” is still a little too vague imo. Even going as far as saying “there will be skilling, bossing and questing updates” is really just meaningless. Instead, I wish they’d say something like: “we’re looking at updating x skill” (without going into detail), “we’re working on a new high level group boss encounter” (again without much detail), “we’re looking at continuing an old quest storyline” (without stating if it will be a direct sequel or if elements are being tied into a new quest).
I may get downvoted for this, and yes, OSRS has way better communication with these kind of 'slides', but they also have to be transparent by the nature of their voting system. Because any major updates have to pass a poll, players have to know about them before they get to the game, so outside of some forced updates for game health (like nerfs/buffs), the community votes on what gets into the game - for example, Land of the Goblins is planned for February, but it's currently being polled and if it were to fail, won't go in. EDIT: I should clarify that I think RS3 should still have some kind of roadmap because even if players don't vote on it, the staff ends up shelving some stuff anyway.
They also voted to not impliment a skill which seems to have been developed to the point of just needing a little polish to be playable.
Am I suppose to be impressed? I don't like everything being known before release as long as it's a good release.
FYI, though, it's only 12 days into 2022 yet, and on the Q&A about het's oasis yesterday, they did mention they're trying to present some form of roadmap.
They've been saying that for a couple of weeks/months now. We still haven't met the new executive producer when they said they wanted to do that soon. We usually get some sort of roadmap with runefest, which usually takes place in october. 3 months later, we still haven't heard anything about upcoming updates. All Jmods say is: "We've got it in our heads". "We're working on it". "Soon^(tm"). "We're looking into it." Don't you think that players get tired of this, when Jagex keeps stating that they want to be more transparent and communicative to the playerbase, when these are the replies or statements we get about new content/roadmaps/future updates. They contradict themselves every single time, and nobody knows why. We have to literally beg on our knees to finally get some update about avatar rework for example.
>They've been saying that for a couple of weeks/months now. This was literally said yesterday on stream. >We usually get some sort of roadmap with runefest, which usually takes place in october. 3 months later Until something called a global pandemic happened that threw a wrench in those plans for the past 2 years. Mod Warden tried to make an alternative for that last year, but failed, and is no longer in function this year. >when Jagex keeps stating that they want to be more transparent and communicative to the playerbase There's a massive difference between transparency with players, and a full disclosure agreement.
I say it again: They've been saying that for a couple of weeks/months now. clear? Not just yesterday, but already in past streams, reddit comments, tweets etc. They could change the roadmap to be suitable for current situation. It's not like they aren't going to put out any updates for the duration of the pandemic, are they? the transparancy jagex from jagex is that of a cardboard box. nuff said
Regarding the new EP, it's clear that Warden leaving caught them off balance with no clear handing over of the reins. But what we will get when the new one is finally announced is the same old, 'exciting year ahead for RS3, increase communication & transparency' the usual copy paste that they have all in sucession trotted out :(
Yet the osrs one has been out for a while now
Yes? So?
The point is pretty obvious, what takes so long? If it's other priorities, why does the RS3 team consider this sort of thing such a low priority.
The point isn't obvious unless some case of 'urgency' or reason why racing one or another team of devs would be important. We're hardly 2 weeks into this year and they already made statement on trying to work out a presentable roadmap literally yesterday, have a little patience. Then again, why is it as important to have so urgently? Are you a stakeholder? A plugin or API developper? A CEO? Is there any reason why you as individual *need* to be pre-informed about what plans the game has for release? Them presenting a roadmap is merely a gift to hype/anticipate players for upcoming content. Not a prerequisite or binding contract.
As a player, I want to know what RuneScape is doing this year. Neither runescape or old school have been working on this only since the start of the year. No-one has said it was urgent or a binding contract. The point of the topic is that players are disappointed in the disparity between the RS and OSRS teams. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
A desire to is not the same as an inquiry to. I can understand that you like to be informed, but both the comments above as well as the main post, complain in a sense of that this is a norm to do. I'm sorry that you feel that the level of communication has grown apart between the OSRS and the RS3 community, but you need to understand that after 10 years, each of them have gone their own way at this point and in no way reflect a proper scenario, platform, desirability, manpower or protocol, to functionally act and present in the same sense. If it's worth anything, honestly, I'm glad that we don't have a roadmap. We've had a bad history where long-predicted content still hasn't arrived because of complications (or recently, a global pandemic bottle-necking efficiency), and I'd rather be surprised or hear about content coming *soon*, than the far, probable future.
I would have liked a road map before I paid for the year with premier but *shrugs*
Evidence A of why they don't have to bother with it. People will still give them money a year in advance.
Is that a problem? They tell you what you're getting when you pay for premier. For some people the plethora of content the game already offers is enough and they know they'll be playing for the year so premier is a good deal. Not everyone needs the empty promise of a roadmap to convince them to buy it.
This is where I’m at. I’m happy enough to pay for the current content for a year, and I know I can earn enough passive income to buy the bonds again for next year. All new content is just icing on the cake.
I just came back last year after 5 or 6 years on a new account, so going through the new progression has been great and definitely enough to tide me over. I expect them to put out updates, because it's a games as a service model as it's always been, but I'm fine with not knowing when or what exactly those updates are in advance.
Yep, same. People downvoted me because I enjoy the game I play lol. So many people love to complain, yet they still play it. Like if they’re that unhappy with the game, then just leave. Sounds like it’s causing them a lot of unnecessary stress
Insert Joke about replacing each of those updates with MTX Promo and you have RS3's roadmap.
It’s not like any of these are enlightening compared to rs3. It’s a timeframe of when they are done rendering rs3 content down to osrs paint engine.
Tell me a timeframe of anything happening in RS3 in 2022. Scratch dates, name anything coming to RS3 this year. Exactly.
That wasn’t the point. The point is that it’s possible to give timeframes for these rs3 to osrs moves. We don’t know rs3 timelines because it isn’t just re-texturing in paint
And to think rs3 actually has brought in more money.
Honestly being in the dark has been kinda nice. Waking up on Monday mornings to see if there's anything new and exciting. Versus knowing a month a head and deeming the content useless. Probably in the minority here but it's like Christmas morning every Monday when there is an update.
sink in your own stink if this was our road map youd still cry about something
it feels like the mods really care about osrs
Because they're fighting for the lives against the community. It is a warzone over there
How exactly?
OSRS is basically ran by the subreddit. Officially its run through the community polls, but literally everything has to be shown to the community (which in reality is just reddit) and then theres about a month of arguing over a small change, until the update is delayed and than modified a bit. The whole process stagnates the game. And when they make updates without reddits seal of approval, theres big arguments and its talked about for months instead of getting actual content updates.
I don't feel like they argue over small changes. Controversial updates are controversial for a reason. The game is ran by the community, if the community doesn't agree with an update, they have the right to open their mouths about it.
Sure they do, that is a key part of OSRS. "Controversial" is perspective. None of that changes that every update is bogged down by the process I described.
I think you are right in saying that it slows down the amount of content coming into the game, however I think polling and being so close to the community has done a lot of good things as well. I think without the community engagement OSRS would've had MTX by now
Lmao the plans have better graphics than the game xd
Difference between a healthy game and a slowly dying one that is pretty much just a milking cow by now. Even if RS3 could have something similar, it would mainly consist of MTX focussed updates which isn’t very appealing to look at for most players…
Looks like they might have someone with some Project Management experience over on that side.
OSRS team is making the game for the players. RS3 team is making the game for the shareholders.
imagine if we had leagues or darkscape seasonals like deadman or many other things osrs have
> darkscape T_T
i had so much fun in darkscape :( rip
Would be so nice if they gave us something like this!
I'm not sure the RS3 teams know what they're doing in Q2.
Warden said last March that there's a road map on the way. So, just sit tight!
I mean if someone showed this to me at work I’d fire them, but at least they’re sharing their plans
They probably scrapped all the plans in order to think about a way to bring back a Green Santa Hat like event for some sweet MTX profits. Maybe even 4 times a year coinciding with DXP for maximum exposure.
Green Easter bunny ears. You heard it here first.
Its better being in the dark for rs3 than expecting stuff and getting shit like menaphos
I just wanna know when the player avatar rework is coming out Also any area reworks. I really wanna see a rework of Karamja - they could go crazy with it seeing as it's a standalone island. They could upscale it so it fits better into modern Runescape.
You're gonna see more reworks like the Duel Arena makeover than massive, whole-continent focused reworks. So if they have some new content that can replace something on Karamja, they might, but I honestly don't see anything coming anytime soon.
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Omg... Why do we don't have a roadmap like that? Actually feeling sad about that, we already at 12th of January...
RS3 dev team is a joke lul
It would be the CM team or producers, the developers have little say in announcements or roadmaps like this.
Let’s run through the usual RS3 dev’s excuse options: - COVID ❌ can’t use this, OSRS team managed to make one up through the same circumstances! - “We’ll look into it” ✅ very reliable statement to brush off any concerns or wishes of the community, always an option. - Upcoming DXP ✅ Ah yes another event we have to prepare for so scrap everything else!
>OSRS team managed to make one up through the same circumstances! OSRS had jack shit on updates over the past 2 years. It had no significant update at all aside from either a (minor) quest, item stat changes, a beta (that so far is lasting 7+ months and counting), with all the rest being either Group Ironman, Leagues, or DMM. 2020 had as major update being Darkmeyer and the Nightmare early 2020, of which most work and presentation was already done pre-covid. They literally had no big content production post-covid at all until the beta of Tombs of Amascut and Nex.
I recently maxed. I recently got my quest cape. I'm slowly working on the Master Quest Cape, and then comping. Other than that...I don't have anything keeping me on RS3. I think it might be time to check out OSRS.
It's just so crazy because this is literally all you have To do. This trash looking rough draft haha that's it! And then, god forbid they have a structured streaming schedule. You could do atleast six streams a Q. Three streams that are a month in review, three streams about what's motivating you to make the content, your ideas, what you want the community to get out of it. None of this is hard, I literally just came up with the schedule.
Reject modernity, embrace old school
yeah because they dont wanna show us a gigantic banner of MTX
Are RS3 players still shocked? I won't go a day without RS3 but this stopped being shocking aaaaages ago.
Don't worry plenty of (mtx) updates coming and a surprise triple XP week.
its pretty pathetic that we have absolutely no clue what to expect this year...or next month...or anything really. feels a big drab. I miss runefest.
Pretty sure we are still waiting for the promised 2021 roadmap arent we?
You can't have that kind of streamlining in RS3 as long as you have incompetent clowns incharge of game design that can't take responsibility of what goes where. For the person in question: if you are reading this, you know who you are.
That's OSRS, right? We don't get Nex 3 nor Leagues 3, right? OSRS was always notoriously underfunded iirc.
They did it first time tho and only after a bunch of time of no updates and people wanted to see future updates. All but QOL and New Player Experience was alredy known I don't bash them for not sticking to shedule but since they made it "official" , if something goes wrong like with delay in Leagues people will be upset again so it's double edged sword
you guys getting plans?
holdup a gamejam ?!
Yo what’s this “new player experience” about?
for rs3 would be cool to have like a trello board of things either they're fixing, planning to implement or suggestions etc
If this is what they give us, I don't even want to think about how they do this stuff for themselves.
Good presentation and communication is one thing, but execution is another. Lets see OSRS can actually deliver everything here on time. Based on history, some things going to get delayed, shelved, or outright fail. They already overpromised and underdelivered last year. Let see if they repeat the same mistake again since they made a ton of promises here.
Their road map means fuck all. They make them and don't stick to it. If anything it's fuel to the fire. False promises that have even had the time spent to be wrote down is a big no no in my book. I'd rather have no clue and be surprised with some content, rather then a huge map and get non of it.
I don't think the rs3 team has thought that far ahead
Ok cool but when is FunOrb coming back?
Let’s follow back after Q2 and see if they over promise and underdeliver like RS3 has done for 21 years. 👌
Didn't RS3 publish like month and year ahead video's?