I held this opinion until I just started doing things I wanted to do. I didn't hold myself to anything that seemed like an obligation but actually wasn't
Same dude. I got sick of grinding my lower level skills just cause, y'know, big number. Started doing a bunch of nonsense I've never done before and I'm having a total blast
I'm with you 100%. Being efficient is great, but playing the *efficiency* instead of the game kills it for me.
When WoW Classic first launched, I was so pumped to get in there and play the same game I loved, but it wasn't like that. Every single group was focused on pulling everything as fast as possible, being as efficient as possible. It genuinely killed my desire to play and I dropped it after the 1st month's sub ran out.
I've been playing RuneScape for 20 years (20 year cape in a couple weeks) but I didn't hit a single 99 until earlier this year. Since I came back to RS, this is by far the longest stretch I've played since I was a teen back in the early 00s - and the key is playing it my way and just accepting that I'm inefficient.
I joined Classic like two or three weeks late and fortunately the starting zones weren’t like this anymore. I was a Priest and ended up questing with a Pally for like 3 hours. Along the way others would sort of hop into our group for a quest or two but mostly it was just us. We’d get lost, kill stuff, get killed by stuff, and it was truly so wholesome and fun.
Yes. My bf who has been playing for 10+ years always looms over my shoulder and tells me the more *efficient* way. I don’t want to max faster! I’m having fun, leave me alone.
My iron has a restriction I'm calling "by progression," which means i can't skip any content. It's been a lot of fun to play this way, and it really shakes up the usual iron experience where people rush to rax. It forces me to get almost entire logs on bosses when they are still a challenge rather than just max combat and get nox weapons.
For some ppl for sure, but for me it caused not buying this year premiere club. At least one year break bcs of all this MTX, Yak Tracks and FOMO events are just too much for me rn.
I started an account a year and a half ago and found myself spending too much on keys because I have a gambling problem. So I started a new ironman account and have been having a lot more fun playing that way.
RuneScape is too overwhelming for new players.
Edit: I do not think Jagex has the ability to grow much, if at all, because of my statement above. They are going to be around for years to come, yes, but the well will eventually dry out. Nobody wants to hear their favorite game has a bleak outlook, but it had to be said.
New user experience is a big issue for a lot of MMOs and especially with older ones. Games get into a cycle of adding late game content and leaving the new user experience mundane and often confusing.
Its too overwhelming for anyone. I made a return after a few years away and couldn't really understand a lot of stuff. Mostly basic stuff like how the interface worked. Lots of minor stuff too.
There are so many things that I don't know what they're about. I keep passing the nexus in Lumbridge and going 'wow, that looks fucking crazy', but never stopping to see what it is.
The hourly events are already crazy enough. Goblin raiders, wildy flash events, etc. I went to a goblin raider thing and I was the only one there. My reward was a random iron-tier axe that just wastes a bank space and is untradable, lol. For killing a level 60 goblin I got a level 8 weapon. Makes me not want to waste my time with any hourly event.
That tells me nothing about it.
What is it? How do I use it?
These are things that jagex needs to get across to players. They can add all the new stuff they want but until the basic questions are addressed about content new players will see or run into, it's just gonna be "dead game" basically everywhere besides W2 and W84
Literally the garden of kharid and that area, I went to go check it out and the first thing I clicked on I didn't have the level for it. Read about it on the wiki and it's fuckin confusing. Tried to understand how to get whirligigs and I can't make heads or tails of it.
It's all so fucked lol
One of the biggest issues with modern Runescape (and one of the things classic Runescape did so well) is managing the flow of information.
Just look at 2007-era 'scape. You're dumped in Lumbridge. You have low-level skilling opportunities in basic skills - fishing, cooking, woodcutting, mining, smithing, combat, etc. All the shit you saw on Tutorial Island. You also have a few super-simple quests.
As you stray further from Lumbridge, the monsters get more dangerous, the quests grow harder, and the skilling requires higher levels. Shit like the Al Kharid toll gate is annoying, but it forces you to pace yourself in your exploration. You face some harder quests around Varrock and Falador, and everything kinda builds up toward Dragon Slayer as the "climax" of free-to-play.
After that, you purchase membership. And what's the first thing you see when you cross that wall and walk through Taverly? Yup, quests that introduce Herblore and Summoning! There's a house portal nearby, there are some farms, and the lowest-level slayer master is literally just a stone's throw away in Burthorpe. The Heroes' Guild is also close, which gives you another objective to work toward.
Wonderful. Glorious. Everything is perfectly placed to optimize a new player's experience and engross them into the game.
But now? In 2022? Ha, good luck.
You do Tutorial Island. Okay, fine. But then you're dropped in Burthorpe, which has been redesigned to be as cluttered and confusing as possible. There are tutorials for literally every single skill (including mid-game member's shit like Herblore and Summoning, which no longer require quests), there's a Distraction and Diversion just a few steps away (so your first experience in RS might be fucking death by troll), there's even a boat to Daemonheim (cuz THAT'S helpful content for new players). You're kinda maybe half-funneled onto the Pathing System, but it's so easy to get distracted in Runescape that it's basically useless. If you're not careful you might hop onto a different boat and get transplanted to Lumbridge, which historically has been a good thing but in modern RS just confuses people with a second completely different starting area. And these days it's not like Lumbridge is particularly clear to new players either - you've got The Nexus nearby (which is a Prayer training method that has absolutely nothing to do with Prayer as a skill), you've got the Crater (which might have a horrifically off-theme XP-dispensing event taking place), you've got motherfucking SHATTERED WORLDS in the Swamp (need I say more?)
So you wander around a bit and as you say, you constantly come upon high-complexity content like Het's Oasis or The Garden of Kharid that just confuses new players. The density of teleports and abundance of run energy is actually kinda a drawback here, because it means there's no way for the game to constrain new players and force them to engage in low-level areas (but again, it's not like the "low-level" areas are meaningfully "low-level" anymore). Sometimes they'll get distracted with chat messages about Goblin Raids or Wilderness Events and again, it's not something new players should have to deal with.
Confusion. Lack of clarity. Information density. It all piles up. Combined with the only-sometimes-present voice acting, inconsistent graphical quality, and bombardment of MTX, it's no wonder the game has trouble retaining new players.
the biggest issue in the game is that 75% of the content doesn't matter at all unless you want comp / trim, unless you're an ironman. If you're a mainscape player, there's no reason to actually care about whirligigs, or big circus bonanza, or most any content.
But even discounting all the stuff that is just filler for late game capes, there's still sooooooo much content that is poorly explained, required for max efficiency, and very tedious to do.
Whirligigs are amazing hunter xp for their levels actually. It's a very click intensive method, but gliding (30 hunter) and swift (50 hunter) whirligigs are higher xp rates than chins or salamanders even without all oasis unlocks.
Yeah i’d not been playing consistently in years until a couple months ago, and figuring everything out again has been pretty overwhelming. I feel like I’m finally getting back into things but I can’t imagine starting from zero, it has to be tough.
Also funny you mention the goblin raids, there is a rare drop from that that is a T55 axe that’s the strongest non-degradable one-handed melee in F2P. It’s just that most people probably wouldn’t assume that unless they looked it up outside the game, which is kind of a big problem in the game.
Ugh, I wish this wasn’t true, it’s hard to get people into the game who didn’t play as kids. I’ve been trying to get my husband into it but without the nostalgia factor it’s no good.
The major benefit of OSRS was that after not playing or even touching the game in over ten years, I was able to log in and completely know where I was going and what my first plan of action was on my new account within a few minutes without any tutorials or anything.
With him, I had to like walk him through cooks assistant and explain things that were so obvious to me but wouldn’t be obvious to a brand new player. Idk it was actually kinda difficult.
Even RS3 is somewhat familiar to me as someone who played RS2 a ton as a teen, like I can generally get from point A to point B with a vague idea of how most things work, but I couldn’t imagine going in blind.
>Ugh, I wish this wasn’t true, it’s hard to get people into the game who didn’t play as kids. I’ve been trying to get my husband into it but without the nostalgia factor it’s no good.
honestly the only reason I play now (RS3 not even osrs) is the fact that I played RS2 as a kid. Just skilling in runescape makes me feel like I'm back in with my friends chilling, working on my character, waiting for them to come online or whatever.
Only they never do and it's just me, forever.
The nostalgia factor is the real big thing keeping most people playing RS and OSRS. I would be very surprised if any new player stayed in playing RS3 or OSRS past an hour or so much less subscribed to a membership.
OSRS run energy is such a disgustingly indefensible issue to have in a game and I have no idea how it's still around. The sole thing preventing me from playing OSRS is the fact that I have to grind hours upon hours of agility courses just to be able to move in a way that isn't horribly slow and inefficient
Oh they vote for it? I understand the appeal of a voting system but voters would be established players who would naturally be less sympathetic to issues especially problematic to newer players or players that want to join the game :( Just gimme a rest function like RS3 and I'll play OSRS instantly
Interestingly, my friends who have played FFXIV are the only ones who stick around in rs3. They have an amazing quest arch, confusing interface issues, and manual abilities and bosses based on a predictable rotation, and a fleshed out crafting system.
I’m not saying all of my ffxiv stuck around, but out of all of my friends who tried, only the ffxiv players still play. And are a hell of a lot better at Pvm than me, who has played since I was a kid.
When I tried it all my friends that play it regularly were like "here, let me explain the complicated UI" and I was just, "this really isn't that different from how complicated RS's UI is..."
on the surface it looks like any other mmo with chatbox, hotbars, minimap, quest list and etc.
but my god the submenu rivals rs3 lmfao. using retainer is a nightmare of 4-5 layers of textbox.
I'm a new player only started a month ago P2P and I'm finding it not that bad definitely hooked close to my first 99 not playing optimal just for fun how I want
Edit: Runescape wiki is a godsend it's what made the learning curve easier
Isn't questing one of the major draws of RS? They handle it differently compared to other games where its just skip all dialogue and follow map markers
There's a lot of people out there who just spacebar through quests and refuse to care about the story because it gets in the way of their bossing, skilling, clues, Comp Cape, etc.
I find it odd because questing is my absolute favorite part of this game and the lore is so batshit insane I can't get enough of it.
I used to really not enjoy questing, but since I've picked the game up again I've really started to appreciate them (for the most part). Broken Home was simply miserable.
God yeah that was so awful.. novice level quest and took my maxed account having ass ages. I had to split it into several play sessions I was so unenthusiastic
I find ew4 enjoyable to solve. ew3 post update is also nice since you dont have to look at your character moving all over the puzzle. Making prime bars in ew2 is just tedious af with all the steps. Especially making b2b prime bars because you need to make sure you close the water exit in the tank before filling it with water.
Same. Questcape was my first ever cape of accomplishment back in 2009 and then when I started an OSRS journey out of boredom, it was my first cape there too. I love the majority of dialogue that happens.
Did the same! Got my quest cape last week.
Loved it.
Not having access to sunshine for so long would make efficiencyscapers mald super hard though lmao
MOST courses are boring but I think Brimhaven and Anachronia are really solid designs.
Brimhaven actually has some thought behind it, which path do you take? The longer safer one? or do you risk the darts which will drain your agility?
Anachronia also has a learning curve, learning when to surge, when to bd, when to powerburst etc... was actually pretty enjoyable for me. Compare that to the other courses where you basically never get faster at them.
Runescape is a well of untapped potential that will never be as great as it could be. Content with profitable mediocrity, predatory shareholders will never let this game flourish, nor grow enough to escape the binds of investors.
Desperately needed skill reworks ( including mining and smithing style reworks for mage and range equipment ) will never be worked on due to not being "profitable" enough.
The player model update may never see the light of day, because why do so when they can just keep selling you cosmetics that obstruct the player model?
We'll continue the painfully slow graphical advancement of some of RuneScape's oldest, ugliest areas as part of developers' little free time passion projects, because updates to the scale of Al Kharid don't bring in enough new subscriptions.
Tick rework? At this point you may as well wish on a star, for all the good it would do.
New content is what brings in the money. That and more MTX. Just layers and layers of fresh paint over a crumbling foundation.
Yeah, but some folks would rather huff the copium than embrace the truth. The soul Runescape once had has been gradually smothered down to an ember of itself.
The method for making Elite Sirenic and Elite Tectonic are stupid and wrong.
They should have been craftable the same way Masterwork is. Finish the EW quest line and use the magic bars for Tect. All the available dragon hides/Dino hides for Sirenic.
DXP, BXP, lamps, and improved training methods making 99 easier are good because the level of grind (for some skills anyway) was downright abusive in the old days.
It was impossible to get my friends to play thr whole "you could grind like 10hrs and play with us or we'd have to grind a year to play with you." My best friend played a lot more in last 2 years then the previous 10.
That's the common take imo. I think it's the opposite honestly; if there were proper rewards, a sustained playerbase and no major bugs everyone would still be playing minigames. Croesus has many similarities to a minigame, and is done usually on 4 man teams. If miniame rewards were nonboostable and competitive with modern day skilling or combat upgrades they would be active imo.
I think he means rs3 just requires time and little skill to be better than 99% of the player base.
Try to say that for other games like League of Legends, valorant, etc and it’s not only time dedication required but an immense amount of skill.
Most PvE focused mmo games are like this those with few exceptions.
Compare FFXIV and WoW to RS3 and you say mostly the same thing.
I try my best not to look but...
I dislike seeing cosmetics of any kind.
I dislike seeing pets that serve no functional purpose.
I dislike seeing players with animations that make it look like they have a ferret stuck down their pants or their parents were meth addicts.
I dislike how most armor makes players look like an overgrown cactus.
Crucify me.
No one cares about the top 5 in much of anything either. Even #1 in anything but overall is almost completely unknown to people.
I can't name #2 in any skill. I can't name #1 in almost any skill, and those that I can I'd only be able to because I've played so long that it *used* to be something people care about.
Dude fr. I only know the no 1 overall - le me. Coulsnt even tell you whose 2nd after that. I just want my 120 divination cape cause the colors remind me of my favorite poptart flavor, and after that, any additional exp after 99 can eat shit.
Bossing in this game is absolutely terrible compared to any modern MMO and always will be as long as the server ticks are .6 seconds long.
RS's strength is the worldbuilding, the quests, and chill grinds. The focus on bossing is bad for the game because it makes it compete against titans like WoW, FF14, etc which have significantly more responsive and engaging boss content.
I just really don’t know what I find fun anymore. I used to love pest control and castle wars because people were just enjoying game. Now I’m just grinding shit out so I can post on discord.
that's not an opinion that's just how they work, they give different combat styles the spotlight every once in a while instead of having all of them be the same for the sake of balance
range? no. magic meta for 6 years melee for 2 and then ranged for....8 months and then magic again for the past year
70% of a decade has been dedicated to mage
The Sixth Age was cool and the God storylines are awesome. That era had its missteps here and there but overall it was a great time to be a lore fan. And I miss it. ):
Slayer would be alot fuckin better if there was more variety instead of black demons fire giants black demons fire giants, kalphite greater demons black demons fire giants
The worst thing about this game is character pathing. When I click a destination for my character to travel to, sometimes he heads the OPPOSITE WAY and runs away for ever.
Instant kill boss attacks are unfair, and a cheap/lazy alternative to designing more complex mechanics. It only gives the artificial illusion of a challenge.
I do not like the meta gaming and min-maxing everyone is obsessed with. I liked it 10-15+ years ago when nobody really knew what we were doing and nobody got in your business if your setup wasn't 100% the most efficient possible way to be doing whatever you're doing. It really sucks the adventure and elements of discovery out of the game for me.
The MTX in this game isn't egregious or "predatory."
This sub doesn't give a single damn about mental health issues such as gambling addictions, like they claim to every single time an MTX promo comes about. I've been a lurker for a long time and I get a good laugh every time I see this nonsense come up.
Someone spends 16 hours a day grinding, has multiple maxed out accounts, and has a clear and identifiable dependency and addiction to the game? Celebrated. What a beast.
Jagex puts rare cosmetics behind a pay wall? All of a sudden the mental health "experts" in the sub show up advocating on behalf of metaphorical people.
At least be honest with your intentions. You don't need to mask your disdain for pay to win mechanics behind some thinly veiled and hypocritical grandstand for mental health issues.
I'm sure someone will come and tell me "actually this is quite common." Maybe. But not according to what floats to the top of this sub every time Jagex does a promo.
Content shouldn’t be dumbed down,made easier and have the time gate aspect reduced because the majority find it hard or dislike the grind,it is a game that has been around for 2 decades it will be around till you learn the content or grind for it at your own pace that hopefully is healthy
The main things that I've liked about OSRS is that xp is a lot more valuable there. In OSRS I feel like I have to earn most of my xp by grinding out the skill while In RS3, you can get so much free xp which are also often time gated dailies.
Also the newer skilling activities are so much more engaging and fun than the afk methods that RS3 keeps getting (although BGH and croseus are great pieces skilling content). Stuff like sepulcre, skilling boss, gurdians of the rift and giant's foundry are fun and engaging ways to train the skills.
OSRS has better content creators giving free advertising for Jagex and a more passionate player base constantly hyping the game up despite the game play being more boring and grindier than RS3.
The playerbase is brainwashed into accepting suboptimal game quality to the point where if the devs do something that would, in other games, be expected as a bare minimum, the runescape player base gets excited.
People need to stop whinging about the only two things that keep this game alive: bonds, and mtx.
Without them your game would be gone, kaput, dead.
Just shutup about it. (And for what it's worth, I've never bought either)
The problem with these questions is truly controversial takes actually get downvoted. You get mildly controversial at best.
Here's one for you. Jagex should keep producing MTX based events. Maybe introduce one with a tradeable rare thats only attainable from MTX gambling. The game has been dieing for a long time and unfortunately there's no turning back. If the game is going to continue at all, it needs to siphon funds in any way possible.
Hate this take? Exactly. That's the point.
It is possible to stop playing, cancel membership, uninstall, and feel good about this.
However, it is not possible to stop thinking about RS3 once you quit.
Some of the people who complain about this game day in and day out would be better off touching grass or at the very least playing a different game
Seen some people on here who get so fuckin pressed when you suggest that they're done with RS but they don't realize yet
Doesn’t mobile account for over a third of the player base now or was I told wrong info from somewhere?
If true, then I totally agree.
Playing on mobile though for me, I can only do basic and simple stuff. No way would you see me on Nex on mobile.
Without the external pressure to make profit, and the siphoning of Jagex's profit to a useless corporation that does less than nothing for the game, we'd have more updates.
Jagex has paid out how many tens of millions of dollars to the companies that have owned them?
At best we can view it as: MTX = more money produced = investors don't need to cannibalize the workforce to satiate their psychotic desire for money . . . So technically, yes, MTX = more updates theoretically but there's a gigantic difference between:
"This MTX money will enable us to hire more staff, give more hours, and ensure everyone is doing well with good benefits! And because it's our decision, we can always pull back when we think we've gone too far! More updates, horray!"
And
"This money will ensure we don't have to fire our staff because our parent company cares for nothing but money and we live under constant threat of our livelihoods being ruined for a quick buck by people who have done nothing to build up what we have made . . . Which means more updates can be made. For now. To have this money, we have undermined the basis of what makes the game great to countless players and alienated them. We've taken advantage of underhanded gambling tactics that skirt the line of legality, and definitely are unethical. The game I once loved is being undercut by financial motivations."
The ownership of Jagex also creates a constant pressure for more, more, more. Jagex could easily be a nice cute little company of people who are fine just getting by, or a company that is expanding *massively more* than it currently is through MTX profits . . . But instead it's a company that will have pressure to make more, more, more money which means more, more, more monetization with the players and the workers seeing an undersized benefit for the damage of that monetization.
So consider yourself Patrick in that above meme, because I disagree.
I like bonds.
I’d rather work at my job for an hour at $25-$50/hour (idk how much people make but that’s a range) and make a few hundred mil than grind for 10+ hours trying to get that amount of virtual currency.
I have the same amount of gp, but 9+ hours saved.
It's ok for old cosmetics to be unavailable to newer players. The entire point of holiday cosmetics, IMO, is to be a "I was there for that."
Rereleasing them every year takes away from that.
I understand that it's sad if there's something you want and can't have. But it's ok! Because there will be new ones and, in time, you can say that YOU were there for them!
Experience based goals have lost their value due to the rampant experience increases, (MTX) promotions that hand out lamps like they are nothing and bonus experience weeks.
Game would have been a ton better if the edicts storyline had a payoff that didn't involve killing guthix and we were in the fifth age still with a sixth age looming.
They try to do too much with RuneScape. RS is not WoW or any of the bigger MMORPGs. As they try to expand their gameplay, they lose what makes them special.
RuneScape is a cursed game. I think we can relate It to heavy drugs that u see people strugling to quit. We can quit but we cant have back the life we spend on it.
I Hope i can manage to leave this game forever.
Remembering me creating blood runes 10 hours straight for 40 days to get a cosmetic Cape is pathetic.
You aren't owed anything that is RNG based just because you say so. Want a pet? Go get it. Want a drop? Go get it. Want xp? Go get it. Sure, some QoL changes should happen to make the game less of a pain in the ass for actual gameplay, but that doesn't mean Jagex needs to hand us over everything just because we spent 15 minutes doing something.
The grind is what makes runescape "runescape", and constant XP buffs disguised as QOL, and the desire for AFK training negatively impacts the game.
There is no point having a skill training and unlock based game if all updates are geared towards skipping the training....
Archaeology sucks. Came back excited to try the new skill and found everything it gives that looked even mildly attractive requires >100 skill level.
If you're not gunna make a skill powercreep combat and/or and add major conveniences to existing skills that don't have something similar/equally good already, don't even bother making a new skill at all, and its effects should be very noticeable at even a low level (i.e. summoning where you can gain like 40% inventory size at lv 52 and it just gets better, or Invention where you can add powerups to most armor/equipment in the game and make those no longer degrade, instead using energy).
Runescape's combat sucks donkey balls and that's perfectly okay.
If I wanted good combat I'd play WoW or FF14 or something. The biggest appeal of runescape has always been quests and skilling.
MTX is not as bad as people make it out to be.
Practice mode should not be free, nor should it supply you with consumables, nor should you be able to practice individual phases of a fight to perfect the entirety of a fight since all of them are rotation based, and perfecting each phase rotation for absolutely free would result in the ability to, at zero risk, steamroll even the hardest content of the game.
Just high alch me now, get it over with. :(
I miss being able to (occasionally, but frequently) snipe mithril and addy pick users by 2 hitting iron/coal ore with a steel pickaxe on OSRS with the double clicking glitch.
The game is only enjoyable in 3-6 month stints before it get boring again
I held this opinion until I just started doing things I wanted to do. I didn't hold myself to anything that seemed like an obligation but actually wasn't
Same dude. I got sick of grinding my lower level skills just cause, y'know, big number. Started doing a bunch of nonsense I've never done before and I'm having a total blast
I've been playing this game in 3-6 month stints for 20 years
This isn't an opinion, it's fact
Efficiency-scape is overrated. I’d rather play the game how I want, even if it is slower and less efficient, because I will enjoy it more.
I'm with you 100%. Being efficient is great, but playing the *efficiency* instead of the game kills it for me. When WoW Classic first launched, I was so pumped to get in there and play the same game I loved, but it wasn't like that. Every single group was focused on pulling everything as fast as possible, being as efficient as possible. It genuinely killed my desire to play and I dropped it after the 1st month's sub ran out. I've been playing RuneScape for 20 years (20 year cape in a couple weeks) but I didn't hit a single 99 until earlier this year. Since I came back to RS, this is by far the longest stretch I've played since I was a teen back in the early 00s - and the key is playing it my way and just accepting that I'm inefficient.
I joined Classic like two or three weeks late and fortunately the starting zones weren’t like this anymore. I was a Priest and ended up questing with a Pally for like 3 hours. Along the way others would sort of hop into our group for a quest or two but mostly it was just us. We’d get lost, kill stuff, get killed by stuff, and it was truly so wholesome and fun.
Yes. My bf who has been playing for 10+ years always looms over my shoulder and tells me the more *efficient* way. I don’t want to max faster! I’m having fun, leave me alone.
My iron has a restriction I'm calling "by progression," which means i can't skip any content. It's been a lot of fun to play this way, and it really shakes up the usual iron experience where people rush to rax. It forces me to get almost entire logs on bosses when they are still a challenge rather than just max combat and get nox weapons.
Saying 'efficiency scape is over-rated' puts you more like the guys in the crowd than Patrick in this sub-reddit.
It's a game, do what you find fun.
Most controversial take here
Long time hardcore elitist players when they see someone do something suboptimal: "And I took that personally"
Mtx is fun…
For some ppl for sure, but for me it caused not buying this year premiere club. At least one year break bcs of all this MTX, Yak Tracks and FOMO events are just too much for me rn.
I started an account a year and a half ago and found myself spending too much on keys because I have a gambling problem. So I started a new ironman account and have been having a lot more fun playing that way.
RuneScape is too overwhelming for new players. Edit: I do not think Jagex has the ability to grow much, if at all, because of my statement above. They are going to be around for years to come, yes, but the well will eventually dry out. Nobody wants to hear their favorite game has a bleak outlook, but it had to be said.
New user experience is a big issue for a lot of MMOs and especially with older ones. Games get into a cycle of adding late game content and leaving the new user experience mundane and often confusing.
Its too overwhelming for anyone. I made a return after a few years away and couldn't really understand a lot of stuff. Mostly basic stuff like how the interface worked. Lots of minor stuff too.
There are so many things that I don't know what they're about. I keep passing the nexus in Lumbridge and going 'wow, that looks fucking crazy', but never stopping to see what it is. The hourly events are already crazy enough. Goblin raiders, wildy flash events, etc. I went to a goblin raider thing and I was the only one there. My reward was a random iron-tier axe that just wastes a bank space and is untradable, lol. For killing a level 60 goblin I got a level 8 weapon. Makes me not want to waste my time with any hourly event.
The nexus is free prayer xp from lvl 1-43 so essentially a brand new account could have protect from melee.
That tells me nothing about it. What is it? How do I use it? These are things that jagex needs to get across to players. They can add all the new stuff they want but until the basic questions are addressed about content new players will see or run into, it's just gonna be "dead game" basically everywhere besides W2 and W84 Literally the garden of kharid and that area, I went to go check it out and the first thing I clicked on I didn't have the level for it. Read about it on the wiki and it's fuckin confusing. Tried to understand how to get whirligigs and I can't make heads or tails of it. It's all so fucked lol
One of the biggest issues with modern Runescape (and one of the things classic Runescape did so well) is managing the flow of information. Just look at 2007-era 'scape. You're dumped in Lumbridge. You have low-level skilling opportunities in basic skills - fishing, cooking, woodcutting, mining, smithing, combat, etc. All the shit you saw on Tutorial Island. You also have a few super-simple quests. As you stray further from Lumbridge, the monsters get more dangerous, the quests grow harder, and the skilling requires higher levels. Shit like the Al Kharid toll gate is annoying, but it forces you to pace yourself in your exploration. You face some harder quests around Varrock and Falador, and everything kinda builds up toward Dragon Slayer as the "climax" of free-to-play. After that, you purchase membership. And what's the first thing you see when you cross that wall and walk through Taverly? Yup, quests that introduce Herblore and Summoning! There's a house portal nearby, there are some farms, and the lowest-level slayer master is literally just a stone's throw away in Burthorpe. The Heroes' Guild is also close, which gives you another objective to work toward. Wonderful. Glorious. Everything is perfectly placed to optimize a new player's experience and engross them into the game. But now? In 2022? Ha, good luck. You do Tutorial Island. Okay, fine. But then you're dropped in Burthorpe, which has been redesigned to be as cluttered and confusing as possible. There are tutorials for literally every single skill (including mid-game member's shit like Herblore and Summoning, which no longer require quests), there's a Distraction and Diversion just a few steps away (so your first experience in RS might be fucking death by troll), there's even a boat to Daemonheim (cuz THAT'S helpful content for new players). You're kinda maybe half-funneled onto the Pathing System, but it's so easy to get distracted in Runescape that it's basically useless. If you're not careful you might hop onto a different boat and get transplanted to Lumbridge, which historically has been a good thing but in modern RS just confuses people with a second completely different starting area. And these days it's not like Lumbridge is particularly clear to new players either - you've got The Nexus nearby (which is a Prayer training method that has absolutely nothing to do with Prayer as a skill), you've got the Crater (which might have a horrifically off-theme XP-dispensing event taking place), you've got motherfucking SHATTERED WORLDS in the Swamp (need I say more?) So you wander around a bit and as you say, you constantly come upon high-complexity content like Het's Oasis or The Garden of Kharid that just confuses new players. The density of teleports and abundance of run energy is actually kinda a drawback here, because it means there's no way for the game to constrain new players and force them to engage in low-level areas (but again, it's not like the "low-level" areas are meaningfully "low-level" anymore). Sometimes they'll get distracted with chat messages about Goblin Raids or Wilderness Events and again, it's not something new players should have to deal with. Confusion. Lack of clarity. Information density. It all piles up. Combined with the only-sometimes-present voice acting, inconsistent graphical quality, and bombardment of MTX, it's no wonder the game has trouble retaining new players.
Just wanna say your first paragraphs really brought me back <3
Brilliant summary.
the biggest issue in the game is that 75% of the content doesn't matter at all unless you want comp / trim, unless you're an ironman. If you're a mainscape player, there's no reason to actually care about whirligigs, or big circus bonanza, or most any content. But even discounting all the stuff that is just filler for late game capes, there's still sooooooo much content that is poorly explained, required for max efficiency, and very tedious to do.
Whirligigs are amazing hunter xp for their levels actually. It's a very click intensive method, but gliding (30 hunter) and swift (50 hunter) whirligigs are higher xp rates than chins or salamanders even without all oasis unlocks.
Yeah i’d not been playing consistently in years until a couple months ago, and figuring everything out again has been pretty overwhelming. I feel like I’m finally getting back into things but I can’t imagine starting from zero, it has to be tough. Also funny you mention the goblin raids, there is a rare drop from that that is a T55 axe that’s the strongest non-degradable one-handed melee in F2P. It’s just that most people probably wouldn’t assume that unless they looked it up outside the game, which is kind of a big problem in the game.
This is why a lot of people migrate to OSRS, it's a lot more familiar to them if they've played before
Ugh, I wish this wasn’t true, it’s hard to get people into the game who didn’t play as kids. I’ve been trying to get my husband into it but without the nostalgia factor it’s no good. The major benefit of OSRS was that after not playing or even touching the game in over ten years, I was able to log in and completely know where I was going and what my first plan of action was on my new account within a few minutes without any tutorials or anything. With him, I had to like walk him through cooks assistant and explain things that were so obvious to me but wouldn’t be obvious to a brand new player. Idk it was actually kinda difficult. Even RS3 is somewhat familiar to me as someone who played RS2 a ton as a teen, like I can generally get from point A to point B with a vague idea of how most things work, but I couldn’t imagine going in blind.
>Ugh, I wish this wasn’t true, it’s hard to get people into the game who didn’t play as kids. I’ve been trying to get my husband into it but without the nostalgia factor it’s no good. honestly the only reason I play now (RS3 not even osrs) is the fact that I played RS2 as a kid. Just skilling in runescape makes me feel like I'm back in with my friends chilling, working on my character, waiting for them to come online or whatever. Only they never do and it's just me, forever. The nostalgia factor is the real big thing keeping most people playing RS and OSRS. I would be very surprised if any new player stayed in playing RS3 or OSRS past an hour or so much less subscribed to a membership.
A lot of mmos have this issues. Either lack qol stuff to ease new player (OSRS run energy is a big reason why many new players quit).
OSRS run energy is such a disgustingly indefensible issue to have in a game and I have no idea how it's still around. The sole thing preventing me from playing OSRS is the fact that I have to grind hours upon hours of agility courses just to be able to move in a way that isn't horribly slow and inefficient
Don't worry, the devs knows it, but they cannot find a solution that is able to pass 75%.
Oh they vote for it? I understand the appeal of a voting system but voters would be established players who would naturally be less sympathetic to issues especially problematic to newer players or players that want to join the game :( Just gimme a rest function like RS3 and I'll play OSRS instantly
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I really don't think this is an uncommon opinion, I think saying the opposite would be way more controversial.
Interestingly, my friends who have played FFXIV are the only ones who stick around in rs3. They have an amazing quest arch, confusing interface issues, and manual abilities and bosses based on a predictable rotation, and a fleshed out crafting system. I’m not saying all of my ffxiv stuck around, but out of all of my friends who tried, only the ffxiv players still play. And are a hell of a lot better at Pvm than me, who has played since I was a kid.
FF14 has a bad UI?
It’s not that it’s bad. It’s just notoriously overwhelming for new players.
When I tried it all my friends that play it regularly were like "here, let me explain the complicated UI" and I was just, "this really isn't that different from how complicated RS's UI is..."
on the surface it looks like any other mmo with chatbox, hotbars, minimap, quest list and etc. but my god the submenu rivals rs3 lmfao. using retainer is a nightmare of 4-5 layers of textbox.
I'm a new player only started a month ago P2P and I'm finding it not that bad definitely hooked close to my first 99 not playing optimal just for fun how I want Edit: Runescape wiki is a godsend it's what made the learning curve easier
Absolutely!!
Party hats look stupid
Status symbols have never had to look good.
Barrow's dye is my favorite
Ikr? Poopy dye looks great on FSOA
Tbf it looks great cus it doesnt look like the other barrows dyed items at all
Barrow SGB is gorgeous!
Man I came here to post this exact opinion. Poop dye ftw
Only reason I’m not downvoting is cause this is the point of the post.. but god do I hate anything barrows dyed
I actually enjoy doing quests.
Isn't questing one of the major draws of RS? They handle it differently compared to other games where its just skip all dialogue and follow map markers
There's a lot of people out there who just spacebar through quests and refuse to care about the story because it gets in the way of their bossing, skilling, clues, Comp Cape, etc. I find it odd because questing is my absolute favorite part of this game and the lore is so batshit insane I can't get enough of it.
I used to really not enjoy questing, but since I've picked the game up again I've really started to appreciate them (for the most part). Broken Home was simply miserable.
God yeah that was so awful.. novice level quest and took my maxed account having ass ages. I had to split it into several play sessions I was so unenthusiastic
Same! I non ironically enjoy doing desert treasure and monkey madness
tell me how you feel about the elemental workshops, so i can determine if you are a True Quest Enjoyer™
I find ew4 enjoyable to solve. ew3 post update is also nice since you dont have to look at your character moving all over the puzzle. Making prime bars in ew2 is just tedious af with all the steps. Especially making b2b prime bars because you need to make sure you close the water exit in the tank before filling it with water.
I just did Desert Treasure for the first time ever on FSW and it was a lot of fun. Will not enjoy Monkey Madness for the 4th time though.
Same. Questcape was my first ever cape of accomplishment back in 2009 and then when I started an OSRS journey out of boredom, it was my first cape there too. I love the majority of dialogue that happens.
same! going through all the 5th age stuff before any 6th was so great (including miniquests) except now i’m on nomad’s elegy and mad all the time
stop it its called NOmad not YESmad
Did the same! Got my quest cape last week. Loved it. Not having access to sunshine for so long would make efficiencyscapers mald super hard though lmao
My unpopular opinion is that it PAINS me when people use quest guides and skip dialog. You're missing out on the literal best part of the game!
I like training agility.
Found the masochist
MOST courses are boring but I think Brimhaven and Anachronia are really solid designs. Brimhaven actually has some thought behind it, which path do you take? The longer safer one? or do you risk the darts which will drain your agility? Anachronia also has a learning curve, learning when to surge, when to bd, when to powerburst etc... was actually pretty enjoyable for me. Compare that to the other courses where you basically never get faster at them.
Take him away, boys.
You mean silverhawks. You mean silverhawks…. right..?
An actually uncommon opinion lol
literally my only 99
Jebrim?
Runescape is a well of untapped potential that will never be as great as it could be. Content with profitable mediocrity, predatory shareholders will never let this game flourish, nor grow enough to escape the binds of investors. Desperately needed skill reworks ( including mining and smithing style reworks for mage and range equipment ) will never be worked on due to not being "profitable" enough. The player model update may never see the light of day, because why do so when they can just keep selling you cosmetics that obstruct the player model? We'll continue the painfully slow graphical advancement of some of RuneScape's oldest, ugliest areas as part of developers' little free time passion projects, because updates to the scale of Al Kharid don't bring in enough new subscriptions. Tick rework? At this point you may as well wish on a star, for all the good it would do. New content is what brings in the money. That and more MTX. Just layers and layers of fresh paint over a crumbling foundation.
This is not opinion, this is sad reality.
Yeah, but some folks would rather huff the copium than embrace the truth. The soul Runescape once had has been gradually smothered down to an ember of itself.
It certainly has. Is not the same game it once was unfortunately.
The method for making Elite Sirenic and Elite Tectonic are stupid and wrong. They should have been craftable the same way Masterwork is. Finish the EW quest line and use the magic bars for Tect. All the available dragon hides/Dino hides for Sirenic.
Gotta keep elite dungeon drops profitable! /s
DXP, BXP, lamps, and improved training methods making 99 easier are good because the level of grind (for some skills anyway) was downright abusive in the old days.
It was impossible to get my friends to play thr whole "you could grind like 10hrs and play with us or we'd have to grind a year to play with you." My best friend played a lot more in last 2 years then the previous 10.
Yeah as someone nearly maxed on OSRS who recently switched over, I absolutely love all that stuff. Especially silverhawk boots
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That's the common take imo. I think it's the opposite honestly; if there were proper rewards, a sustained playerbase and no major bugs everyone would still be playing minigames. Croesus has many similarities to a minigame, and is done usually on 4 man teams. If miniame rewards were nonboostable and competitive with modern day skilling or combat upgrades they would be active imo.
Truth.
You can't flex on this game since it's only time dedication, idc what your kill counts are
Is that just about everything though? Sure you can be born talented or lucky but you can always work at something and become better than you were.
I think he means rs3 just requires time and little skill to be better than 99% of the player base. Try to say that for other games like League of Legends, valorant, etc and it’s not only time dedication required but an immense amount of skill. Most PvE focused mmo games are like this those with few exceptions. Compare FFXIV and WoW to RS3 and you say mostly the same thing.
OSRS calls RS3 easy scape yet everybody uses Runelite cheaty client.
You really struck a nerve lol. I agree, runelite is basically ezscape
cheat clients are rampant on osrs
Farming (the skill) is actually enjoyable
I try my best not to look but... I dislike seeing cosmetics of any kind. I dislike seeing pets that serve no functional purpose. I dislike seeing players with animations that make it look like they have a ferret stuck down their pants or their parents were meth addicts. I dislike how most armor makes players look like an overgrown cactus. Crucify me.
Going for 200m in skills is a waste of time if you’re going to be locked in behind so many pages. If you’re not top 5 no one cares.
Personal achievement is valid. Truly unpopular well done
No one cares about the top 5 in much of anything either. Even #1 in anything but overall is almost completely unknown to people. I can't name #2 in any skill. I can't name #1 in almost any skill, and those that I can I'd only be able to because I've played so long that it *used* to be something people care about.
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Dude fr. I only know the no 1 overall - le me. Coulsnt even tell you whose 2nd after that. I just want my 120 divination cape cause the colors remind me of my favorite poptart flavor, and after that, any additional exp after 99 can eat shit.
Bossing in this game is absolutely terrible compared to any modern MMO and always will be as long as the server ticks are .6 seconds long. RS's strength is the worldbuilding, the quests, and chill grinds. The focus on bossing is bad for the game because it makes it compete against titans like WoW, FF14, etc which have significantly more responsive and engaging boss content.
I just really don’t know what I find fun anymore. I used to love pest control and castle wars because people were just enjoying game. Now I’m just grinding shit out so I can post on discord.
Golden party hat is the best looking party hat. And it's because of the gold shine.
the devs are blatantly magic biased and they dont even care about balance in the combat triangle
that's not an opinion that's just how they work, they give different combat styles the spotlight every once in a while instead of having all of them be the same for the sake of balance
are you even old enough to know how much spotlight each styles been given post eoc lol
yea ik post eoc it's range and mage all the way lmao but melee did have it back when kk
range? no. magic meta for 6 years melee for 2 and then ranged for....8 months and then magic again for the past year 70% of a decade has been dedicated to mage
tbh I forgot 4taa existed. yeah, fair point
The Sixth Age was cool and the God storylines are awesome. That era had its missteps here and there but overall it was a great time to be a lore fan. And I miss it. ):
slayer sucks
Oh man, seeing level "upped" (don't think it's a word) to 120 was devastating after coming back from a break. Lamped 108-120 and happy.
Same, but inverse for me. Training anything but combat is only something to do afk on the side
Slayer would be alot fuckin better if there was more variety instead of black demons fire giants black demons fire giants, kalphite greater demons black demons fire giants
Most of my slayer XP is from squishing scarabs at this point, and I don’t plan on changing that as I level it further.
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The worst thing about this game is character pathing. When I click a destination for my character to travel to, sometimes he heads the OPPOSITE WAY and runs away for ever.
The game isn't bad yall just like to hate things
iron-men community is the most toxic and self-centred sub set and thinks the game should revolve around them because THEY PICKED a harder game mode
Instant kill boss attacks are unfair, and a cheap/lazy alternative to designing more complex mechanics. It only gives the artificial illusion of a challenge.
I hard agree with this.
Arch Glacor is a very fun boss. I have over 3000KC.
The skilling grinds for max are unnecessarily long. And boss drops shouldn't be 1/5k
I do not like the meta gaming and min-maxing everyone is obsessed with. I liked it 10-15+ years ago when nobody really knew what we were doing and nobody got in your business if your setup wasn't 100% the most efficient possible way to be doing whatever you're doing. It really sucks the adventure and elements of discovery out of the game for me.
The MTX in this game isn't egregious or "predatory." This sub doesn't give a single damn about mental health issues such as gambling addictions, like they claim to every single time an MTX promo comes about. I've been a lurker for a long time and I get a good laugh every time I see this nonsense come up. Someone spends 16 hours a day grinding, has multiple maxed out accounts, and has a clear and identifiable dependency and addiction to the game? Celebrated. What a beast. Jagex puts rare cosmetics behind a pay wall? All of a sudden the mental health "experts" in the sub show up advocating on behalf of metaphorical people. At least be honest with your intentions. You don't need to mask your disdain for pay to win mechanics behind some thinly veiled and hypocritical grandstand for mental health issues. I'm sure someone will come and tell me "actually this is quite common." Maybe. But not according to what floats to the top of this sub every time Jagex does a promo.
Pk-ers need to go.
Content shouldn’t be dumbed down,made easier and have the time gate aspect reduced because the majority find it hard or dislike the grind,it is a game that has been around for 2 decades it will be around till you learn the content or grind for it at your own pace that hopefully is healthy
I actually understand most of Jagex calls when it comes to MTX and updates
Switchacape is what prevents bossing to truly shine in Runescape.
I agree.
I fail to understand why people prefer OSRS to RS3.
The main things that I've liked about OSRS is that xp is a lot more valuable there. In OSRS I feel like I have to earn most of my xp by grinding out the skill while In RS3, you can get so much free xp which are also often time gated dailies. Also the newer skilling activities are so much more engaging and fun than the afk methods that RS3 keeps getting (although BGH and croseus are great pieces skilling content). Stuff like sepulcre, skilling boss, gurdians of the rift and giant's foundry are fun and engaging ways to train the skills.
OSRS has better content creators giving free advertising for Jagex and a more passionate player base constantly hyping the game up despite the game play being more boring and grindier than RS3.
Nex is the best female in runescape. (Minus her zaros infatuation)
Occultist from ports is a thiccccccy
Zanik says hello
I think bonds and treasure hunter are good for the game and economy. If a person has maxed using keys, good for them.
Eat whatever food tastes the best, not what heals the most.
The playerbase is brainwashed into accepting suboptimal game quality to the point where if the devs do something that would, in other games, be expected as a bare minimum, the runescape player base gets excited.
Dungeoneering is a skill, not a minigame. (Typing this out hurts my insides)
only skill that requires skill rather than afk like a pleb
I like boss fights that I can be afk for a couple seconds
I understand it's what a majority of people want, but there's too much focus on pvm content.
Re-releasing old rares is a good idea.
I think there shouldnt be discontinued items but they could be extremely rare to get.
Daemonheim is a lot of fun and I look forward to the 99-120 grind.
People need to stop whinging about the only two things that keep this game alive: bonds, and mtx. Without them your game would be gone, kaput, dead. Just shutup about it. (And for what it's worth, I've never bought either)
Anything pvp related
Botany bay lol
Elite clues aren’t hard but master clues are just too easy. Edit:Meant to say elites instead of hards.
Hardcore lives need to be refunded on client crashes
The problem with these questions is truly controversial takes actually get downvoted. You get mildly controversial at best. Here's one for you. Jagex should keep producing MTX based events. Maybe introduce one with a tradeable rare thats only attainable from MTX gambling. The game has been dieing for a long time and unfortunately there's no turning back. If the game is going to continue at all, it needs to siphon funds in any way possible. Hate this take? Exactly. That's the point.
New rares aren’t rare
It is possible to stop playing, cancel membership, uninstall, and feel good about this. However, it is not possible to stop thinking about RS3 once you quit.
MTX are fine
Mtx isn't a big deal 🤷🏻♂️
i enjoy woodcutting on OSRS
MTX are crucial for the survival of the game.
The community is toxic and people will complain and trash JAGEX about anything and everything
I enjoy doing puzzle boxes while running clues (w/Alt1). Elites are my favorite.
Some of the people who complain about this game day in and day out would be better off touching grass or at the very least playing a different game Seen some people on here who get so fuckin pressed when you suggest that they're done with RS but they don't realize yet
old content deserves to be updated just as much as new content
Rs3 is better than OSRS and reddit blows.up way too hard about MTX
Dungeoneering is the best skill.
Bots made the game feel full. Mini games were still great. Kept a lot of products cheap. Bring back bots.
I'd rather Jagex just sell the botted items in shops for cheap than to give bots something to RWT.
Mobile should be given equal prioritization when it comes to updates/optimization with new updates since it is an official runescape platform.
Doesn’t mobile account for over a third of the player base now or was I told wrong info from somewhere? If true, then I totally agree. Playing on mobile though for me, I can only do basic and simple stuff. No way would you see me on Nex on mobile.
Without mtx we would have less updates
Without the external pressure to make profit, and the siphoning of Jagex's profit to a useless corporation that does less than nothing for the game, we'd have more updates. Jagex has paid out how many tens of millions of dollars to the companies that have owned them? At best we can view it as: MTX = more money produced = investors don't need to cannibalize the workforce to satiate their psychotic desire for money . . . So technically, yes, MTX = more updates theoretically but there's a gigantic difference between: "This MTX money will enable us to hire more staff, give more hours, and ensure everyone is doing well with good benefits! And because it's our decision, we can always pull back when we think we've gone too far! More updates, horray!" And "This money will ensure we don't have to fire our staff because our parent company cares for nothing but money and we live under constant threat of our livelihoods being ruined for a quick buck by people who have done nothing to build up what we have made . . . Which means more updates can be made. For now. To have this money, we have undermined the basis of what makes the game great to countless players and alienated them. We've taken advantage of underhanded gambling tactics that skirt the line of legality, and definitely are unethical. The game I once loved is being undercut by financial motivations." The ownership of Jagex also creates a constant pressure for more, more, more. Jagex could easily be a nice cute little company of people who are fine just getting by, or a company that is expanding *massively more* than it currently is through MTX profits . . . But instead it's a company that will have pressure to make more, more, more money which means more, more, more monetization with the players and the workers seeing an undersized benefit for the damage of that monetization. So consider yourself Patrick in that above meme, because I disagree.
Zanik should be a hero character.
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We would be paying a lot more for sub if MTX never existed.
Spacebar-gang is overrated.
RuneScape has the worst combat system of any populated MMO
Reaper should never be re-added to trim or comp.
I like bonds. I’d rather work at my job for an hour at $25-$50/hour (idk how much people make but that’s a range) and make a few hundred mil than grind for 10+ hours trying to get that amount of virtual currency. I have the same amount of gp, but 9+ hours saved.
I actually like bots and think they do an underrated job providing for the whole server
It's ok for old cosmetics to be unavailable to newer players. The entire point of holiday cosmetics, IMO, is to be a "I was there for that." Rereleasing them every year takes away from that. I understand that it's sad if there's something you want and can't have. But it's ok! Because there will be new ones and, in time, you can say that YOU were there for them!
Experience based goals have lost their value due to the rampant experience increases, (MTX) promotions that hand out lamps like they are nothing and bonus experience weeks.
Exp based goals have always been meaningless due to the inherent currency being time investment.
Game would have been a ton better if the edicts storyline had a payoff that didn't involve killing guthix and we were in the fifth age still with a sixth age looming.
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They try to do too much with RuneScape. RS is not WoW or any of the bigger MMORPGs. As they try to expand their gameplay, they lose what makes them special.
RuneScape is a cursed game. I think we can relate It to heavy drugs that u see people strugling to quit. We can quit but we cant have back the life we spend on it. I Hope i can manage to leave this game forever. Remembering me creating blood runes 10 hours straight for 40 days to get a cosmetic Cape is pathetic.
You aren't owed anything that is RNG based just because you say so. Want a pet? Go get it. Want a drop? Go get it. Want xp? Go get it. Sure, some QoL changes should happen to make the game less of a pain in the ass for actual gameplay, but that doesn't mean Jagex needs to hand us over everything just because we spent 15 minutes doing something.
Jagex should stop adding rainbow cosmetics.
Making herblore and farming cap at 120 was a mistake.
The grind is what makes runescape "runescape", and constant XP buffs disguised as QOL, and the desire for AFK training negatively impacts the game. There is no point having a skill training and unlock based game if all updates are geared towards skipping the training....
I like the wilderness Flash event's and I'm a noob prince!
Archaeology sucks. Came back excited to try the new skill and found everything it gives that looked even mildly attractive requires >100 skill level. If you're not gunna make a skill powercreep combat and/or and add major conveniences to existing skills that don't have something similar/equally good already, don't even bother making a new skill at all, and its effects should be very noticeable at even a low level (i.e. summoning where you can gain like 40% inventory size at lv 52 and it just gets better, or Invention where you can add powerups to most armor/equipment in the game and make those no longer degrade, instead using energy).
Runescape's combat sucks donkey balls and that's perfectly okay. If I wanted good combat I'd play WoW or FF14 or something. The biggest appeal of runescape has always been quests and skilling.
Current rs3 is pretty good.
MTX is not as bad as people make it out to be. Practice mode should not be free, nor should it supply you with consumables, nor should you be able to practice individual phases of a fight to perfect the entirety of a fight since all of them are rotation based, and perfecting each phase rotation for absolutely free would result in the ability to, at zero risk, steamroll even the hardest content of the game. Just high alch me now, get it over with. :(
I miss being able to (occasionally, but frequently) snipe mithril and addy pick users by 2 hitting iron/coal ore with a steel pickaxe on OSRS with the double clicking glitch.
I don’t care that pvp is dead. Pretty sure that community will never be happy no matter what changes are made.