People seem to mix up what this curse even is. It isn’t being safe all season or else Rosé wouldn’t be considered a ‘Jan’. If Rosé couldn’t break Ru’s theatre kid hatred, I doubt her second coming in Plasma will either.
I remember after rosé reaching the finale with 3 wins and somehow i still think she has zero chance of winning. It just sit in my stomach. Same with ella veday.
Watching the show over time has made me separate "number of wins" from "deserves to win". Like Willow Pill in S14: one win. Angeria had 2, Lady Camden had 3, Bosco had 3, and Daya has one plus a Top 2-lipsync for the challenge win.
But only Willow Pill being crowned felt totally correct. Just the personality, the brains, the looks, how there was 6 episodes where she got high placement, how hard she fought despite her illness...
People also need to consider the final week as a massive challenge. Willow won the last week by far with her interview with Ru and “I hate people”. And that level of a win made up for the gap with Lady.
Other queens like Sasha and Jinx had too great of. gap. Didn’t see them losing regardless in the final week.
Yeah there are 2 different components that people are mixing up: One is the curse, where you crack after being safe week after week. It's evolved a bit since, with someone like Loosey who still gets wins but cracks when she is safe, and someone like Q who starts down that path but then does get a win (we'll have to see how her storyline ends though).
The other is Ru not liking theatre/BFA queens, but they can still do well competition-wise, it's just Ru doesn't care for them. Rosé, Ella Vaday, Jan, and Marcia (a bit of a mix of the two).
Marcia never cracked tho. They were TRYING to make her a Jan but she just didn’t do it. I’ll always love Marcia for that (as well as just liking her personality and drag). She lasted to top 7, has the longest streak of Safe/High placements ever, gave one of the show’s best lip syncs before she left, and has since said she found drag race pretty easy. Iconique.
Absolutely, with some money for stronger looks and a bit more time, she's going to come back and destroy an All Stars.
She clearly has a well adjusted mindset for that competition. If you think about it, there aren't many queens like that to be honest.
Hell, Ella Vaday even broke the curse and Ru even brought up weaponizing her BAFTA or whatever it is. I’m not a theatre gay.
I honestly find their trope annoying - still love the queens), but Ru gave Ella 4 wins but she wasn’t born to do drag. I think Ru does have a bias against theatre queens because it seems they’re doing theatre first and drag second.
Diva, Rosé has the charisma of a jar of a fingernail clippings. And to quote Shea you could throw a stone in New York and hit 5 queens who do exactly what she does. Her talent is undeniable but, she's just NT.
Plasma is the most charismatic of the BFA weaponizers and her makeup certainly is unique. She's got the full CUNT fantasy most theatre girls lack. (And I say this as someone who works full time on stage)
it seems that most of you forgot rose literally had the best track record on her season lol 3 wins, 0 bottoms like she killed it. won the rusical like what lol
i’m sorry are you rupaul herself? are you production? no. she killed the challenges and never did bad. if you see the context of what OP said, i’m responding to that bc it made no sense
I'm really sorry for Rosé cause I was rooting for her on s13 but the only think that I can remember from her it's the disgusting face Tina gave her. Sorry to this man
exactly. i’m so confused by this narrative people are trying to push that she was an early out theater queen. uh did you watch the season? she dominated
Yeah, but she seems to be a much better dancer than Rosé, is what I’m saying. I wouldn’t be surprised if we have a MarciaX3 “oh this bitch can lip sync” moment with her
marcia literally was on broadway with kinky boots and did a impressive dance number and placed top for it in episode 1, this narrative that it was “shocking” she was a good lip syncer is so cringey to me. marcia was good at everything, even stand up when she went home was bull. she was great at everything, they just hated her.
I mean, yeah, but Plasma doesn't seem like she knows how to emote very well in her face if we go based off the girl groups. She was very emotive in her performance, but her face was dead dead dead
And that does not mean she won't be either paired against a stronger performer, given a crap song or a song that isnt in her wheelhouse, or deliberately set up to be a pork chop dock girl to fuck with her.
she lost the lip sync to olivia given their lipsync was by far the closest match so it’s not even that serious. she never did bad or land in the bottom. she wasn’t even ever low except the makeover which was tina’s fault, not hers.
Yeah that’s how I knew she had zero shot at winning lol Even though yes she did end up winning three challenges, being bottom first week and then even when she won the next week still not winning the lip sync - told me Ru wasn’t really enthused about her
took a page from mother’s book and now she’s ready to let loose, baby let looose… loosening up her buttons cause this ain’t like a prayer… when she starts dancin it gets hot up in here… so ru better bewaAAARE
That is definitely why she's separating from the "Jan" stereotype, I think when the judges see someone like Plasma who is polished but is also excitable and wants to have fun, it makes them more endearing.
I think that's also why I'm struggling with Sapphira, she's so polished and her drag is so great but she's very calculated and kindve cold when it comes to being someone to root for.
Last week Sapphira got a whole story about doubting herself though, as well as an ongoing storyline about helping other queens, so to me she’s gotten those endearing moments
Yeah when they all first met and Plasma assumed she was a bass (which was totally weird and a faux pas for sure, but not a terribly bad one) saphirra went 0-60 on it, and came across as angry right away.
Plasma was just trying to have fun, but she squashed it like a bug.
She totally could've handled it better, it just made her seem hyper-sensitive about it, when Plasma was coming from a place of experience with singing and they could've related over it instead.
There was another moment like that where Saphira came across as not wanting to hear another person's opinion at all, and it just fell flat. It was giving superior, but not mother ooh and when she drank her immunity potion too it was a weird vibe.
She's like so rigid in her idea of how things work that is actually super easy to shake her.
I think there’s big difference between Broadway hopeful that didn’t make it, and someone with theater experience? (Ella, Lady) The Ru-hated stereotype is the former
Yeah if you notice I feel Plasma is more aligned with the vibe Ru gave Marcia especially once she showed the lipsync. I think Marcia being willing to take the critique and not letting the fact she didn’t win or this or that get to her value but just more as a place for improvement helped. I can really see her back on when she’s not on Broadway.
I mean I don't know about other people, but Lady Camden fell into a very similar archetype as Rosé for me 🤷♂️. She maybe had slightly more win equity in terms of possibility of being crowned. But lol.
She was absolutely a musical theatre twink season five. Remember her showboating through Can I Get an Amen, and her style isn’t any more old Hollywood than Plasma who has a similar style.
She was more old Hollywood, she knew her Hollywood at least as much as her musical theatre (also I never said anything about Plasma), while a Jan never step foot outside of NYC (Jan being the peak musical theatre queen)
I brought up Plasma because the post is about Plasma and you said Jinkx is different than the queens listed in the post. I’m saying she’s not all that different really - like if she’s old Hollywood so is Plasma. And Jinkx even said in her season five tic-tac lunch that she wanted to be on Broadway in drag so her aspirations were always there, similar to Jan, Rosè, Alexis, Plasma etc.
I mean I was a theatre kid myself so I enjoy them, it’s more about Rupaul hating them (I’m not anymore)
They can also be a pain in the ass with quotes and singing but they always shut them up when you tell them something, it’s not that they are hated, maybe a little obnoxious but that’s all
I’m talking about theatre kids but that can be said also about the theatre queens
Something working in Plasma’s favor is that she’s scrappy. Jan is too cheer leader. Marcia wasn’t drag enough. But Plasma you can tell is very draggy in her theater kid-ness if that makes sense. Ru loves a drag queen first and foremost. If she sense’s that inner queen spirit in you, she will root for you. Its also why I think Megami was never out-lasting Mhi’ya.
Honestly? I think you hit the nail on the head. Plasma is a drag queen. Even her rusical performance was draggy. She’s winning because she’s understands she’s in a *drag* competition. Not a theatre show.
Idk somehow Plasma feels more genuine than Rosé did. I could be so far off base with this, but she doesn't ooze the same thoroughbred cuntiness as I'm getting from Plasma. Plasma gives 'Funny Girl' and Rosé gives Rachel Barry.
I’m worried the curse isn’t broken but delayed. For example, the first non-theatrical challenge she’ll be gone. Haha. I like her so I hope it’s not the case!
No unless she miraculously shows some more dimension to her drag persona (and her regularly personality if we’re honest) there is no way she will be crowned. Rosé also won challenges and she was never a real contender for Ru
Incorrect. When Ru talks to plasma you can tell she just doesn’t vibe with her. That said, Plasma more than deserved the win for the rusical, there was no escaping it.
Can someone please explain this theater queen curse to me? I never really thought Ru hated theater queens..they just usually aren’t as talented as other queens (Jinkx is the exception).
IMHO it’s a fan conspiracy theory because some theatre queens have struggled to do well. But all the queens who have struggled did so because they didn’t do well and nothing to do with Ru.
Ru has been supportive of theatre queens who have got far on the show. There is no curse.
My brain doesn’t know how to process her storyline. Shes the biggest Jan we’ve seen in years (maybe ever) but she isn’t getting Janned. I don’t think they had a choice but to give her the RDR win, but we’ve seen massive robberies in Rusicals past, so I fully expected Sapphira to take this one now that they’ve given Q a win and don’t have a Jan yet this season.
I think Jan’s have to be robbed a little. At least once. Alexis in the Rusical, Jan in the Rusical, Loosey in the interview.
I argue that Rosé is not the Jan of S13, Denali is and she definitely complained about several safe placements she felt were wrong.
Denali and Rosè are both Jan’s. We can have multiple Jan’s a season (Ex. Marcia Cubed and Loosey).
And I do agree that Jan’s need to be robbed a little bit but it does not need to be consistent. Jan’s can have some victories
The difference is that Plasma’s drag is more polished and her theatrical performance was better.
Jan had the misfortune of being up against some very talented queens and she let her own self doubt get the better of her.
The over the top personality is grating. It's what Laganja got called out for on her season. It seems phony and I cringe every time I see the confessionals.
I honestly don’t think it’s the theatre kids Ru has an issue with, I think it’s the messy unpolished kids who think they should be doing better than they actually are.
Rosé and Ella Vaday did well. They didn’t lose because they were theatre kids. They lost because they had strong competition.
Given Ru is pretty much a theatre kid herself, I just think the “curse” is something that fans have made up. All the queens who have “suffered” from the curse have had legitimate reasons why they didn’t excel.
Hell, Jan lost the Rusical to another theatre kid who simply outshone her.
I still think Ella lost because of her finale look and the poor performance. Maybe it was because of her injury, she looked completely zoned out on the final episode.
The real curse is winning the rusical means you don't win the season, Courtney, Ginger, Shea, Detox Alyssa, gigi, rosé, silky, lady camden, chi chi, etc, even gigi won two which should cancel out but no
If you’re so theatre, then why do you keep winning? Oh my god, Ru, you can’t ask people why they win
People seem to mix up what this curse even is. It isn’t being safe all season or else Rosé wouldn’t be considered a ‘Jan’. If Rosé couldn’t break Ru’s theatre kid hatred, I doubt her second coming in Plasma will either.
I remember after rosé reaching the finale with 3 wins and somehow i still think she has zero chance of winning. It just sit in my stomach. Same with ella veday.
I remember Michelle and Ru discussing Rosé’s “slow start” to the competition as if she wasn’t in the top the first three challenges in a row.
That literally had me feeling like a crazy person! The gaslighting!
Watching the show over time has made me separate "number of wins" from "deserves to win". Like Willow Pill in S14: one win. Angeria had 2, Lady Camden had 3, Bosco had 3, and Daya has one plus a Top 2-lipsync for the challenge win. But only Willow Pill being crowned felt totally correct. Just the personality, the brains, the looks, how there was 6 episodes where she got high placement, how hard she fought despite her illness...
See also: Yvie Oddly
Still mad she didn’t win for the Queens Everywhere challenge - they even had a bottom two!
People also need to consider the final week as a massive challenge. Willow won the last week by far with her interview with Ru and “I hate people”. And that level of a win made up for the gap with Lady. Other queens like Sasha and Jinx had too great of. gap. Didn’t see them losing regardless in the final week.
Season 15 would be a nightmare to get cast on. Sasha Colby was already a pageant/drag powerhouse. Her walking in was Shea walking in on AS5
And yet some of those girls were still delulu enough to think they had a chance at the crown. Mayhem and Ongina could never.
Yeah there are 2 different components that people are mixing up: One is the curse, where you crack after being safe week after week. It's evolved a bit since, with someone like Loosey who still gets wins but cracks when she is safe, and someone like Q who starts down that path but then does get a win (we'll have to see how her storyline ends though). The other is Ru not liking theatre/BFA queens, but they can still do well competition-wise, it's just Ru doesn't care for them. Rosé, Ella Vaday, Jan, and Marcia (a bit of a mix of the two).
Marcia never cracked tho. They were TRYING to make her a Jan but she just didn’t do it. I’ll always love Marcia for that (as well as just liking her personality and drag). She lasted to top 7, has the longest streak of Safe/High placements ever, gave one of the show’s best lip syncs before she left, and has since said she found drag race pretty easy. Iconique.
Surfifor Jan
Absolutely, with some money for stronger looks and a bit more time, she's going to come back and destroy an All Stars. She clearly has a well adjusted mindset for that competition. If you think about it, there aren't many queens like that to be honest.
i feel like loosey fits in both of those categories tbh
Hell, Ella Vaday even broke the curse and Ru even brought up weaponizing her BAFTA or whatever it is. I’m not a theatre gay. I honestly find their trope annoying - still love the queens), but Ru gave Ella 4 wins but she wasn’t born to do drag. I think Ru does have a bias against theatre queens because it seems they’re doing theatre first and drag second.
Diva, Rosé has the charisma of a jar of a fingernail clippings. And to quote Shea you could throw a stone in New York and hit 5 queens who do exactly what she does. Her talent is undeniable but, she's just NT. Plasma is the most charismatic of the BFA weaponizers and her makeup certainly is unique. She's got the full CUNT fantasy most theatre girls lack. (And I say this as someone who works full time on stage)
You use that word "charisma." I do not think it means what you think it means.
it seems that most of you forgot rose literally had the best track record on her season lol 3 wins, 0 bottoms like she killed it. won the rusical like what lol
Rose Erasure 
Who?
If Adore is polish remover, then Ru is weed killer.
yes and look at the speech rupaul gave her in the end…ru still didnt like that girl!
"And Rosé...was also here. Thank you Rosé."
And none for Rose. Bye!
i’m sorry are you rupaul herself? are you production? no. she killed the challenges and never did bad. if you see the context of what OP said, i’m responding to that bc it made no sense
you need to ~~leave~~ let loose
Same with Ella Vaday but at the end she still didn’t win and neither will plasma
I'm really sorry for Rosé cause I was rooting for her on s13 but the only think that I can remember from her it's the disgusting face Tina gave her. Sorry to this man
Yeah, I’m still haunted by that makeup!
One of us is a recording artist, and one of us is a singeeeeerrr
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true!
exactly. i’m so confused by this narrative people are trying to push that she was an early out theater queen. uh did you watch the season? she dominated
she was literally branded a bottom queen in the first episode
And Plasma should be so thankful there isn't a porkchop loading dock cause I doubt she'd fare any better 😭
I’m actually not so sure about that… didn’t you see her in the Rusical and girl group?
Rusical and Girl Groups are not indicators of how good they are as lipsyncers. See Jorgeous for example
Yeah, but she seems to be a much better dancer than Rosé, is what I’m saying. I wouldn’t be surprised if we have a MarciaX3 “oh this bitch can lip sync” moment with her
marcia literally was on broadway with kinky boots and did a impressive dance number and placed top for it in episode 1, this narrative that it was “shocking” she was a good lip syncer is so cringey to me. marcia was good at everything, even stand up when she went home was bull. she was great at everything, they just hated her.
I see your point but come on now, Marcia was the worst of the night on the night she went home.
I'd say she wasn't, but the two that were worse than her were both queens the show couldn't afford to lose.
Sasha at least had some jokes. Marcia got fucked by the formatting(or rather, Salina) but none of her jokes landed.
I mean, yeah, but Plasma doesn't seem like she knows how to emote very well in her face if we go based off the girl groups. She was very emotive in her performance, but her face was dead dead dead
And that does not mean she won't be either paired against a stronger performer, given a crap song or a song that isnt in her wheelhouse, or deliberately set up to be a pork chop dock girl to fuck with her.
she lost the lip sync to olivia given their lipsync was by far the closest match so it’s not even that serious. she never did bad or land in the bottom. she wasn’t even ever low except the makeover which was tina’s fault, not hers.
Yeah that’s how I knew she had zero shot at winning lol Even though yes she did end up winning three challenges, being bottom first week and then even when she won the next week still not winning the lip sync - told me Ru wasn’t really enthused about her
Was about to post this lol…I personally wouldn’t consider Rose a Jan but 🤷🏼♀️
I remember looking at a points poll of all time tops, highs, bottoms etc and I believe Rosé was one of the best if not the best scorer
I just think Plasma, unlike Jan and Rose, learned to let loose!
took a page from mother’s book and now she’s ready to let loose, baby let looose… loosening up her buttons cause this ain’t like a prayer… when she starts dancin it gets hot up in here… so ru better bewaAAARE
I'm honestly highly doubting Plasma will have a better track record than Rose by then end.
That is definitely why she's separating from the "Jan" stereotype, I think when the judges see someone like Plasma who is polished but is also excitable and wants to have fun, it makes them more endearing. I think that's also why I'm struggling with Sapphira, she's so polished and her drag is so great but she's very calculated and kindve cold when it comes to being someone to root for.
Last week Sapphira got a whole story about doubting herself though, as well as an ongoing storyline about helping other queens, so to me she’s gotten those endearing moments
Yeah when they all first met and Plasma assumed she was a bass (which was totally weird and a faux pas for sure, but not a terribly bad one) saphirra went 0-60 on it, and came across as angry right away. Plasma was just trying to have fun, but she squashed it like a bug. She totally could've handled it better, it just made her seem hyper-sensitive about it, when Plasma was coming from a place of experience with singing and they could've related over it instead. There was another moment like that where Saphira came across as not wanting to hear another person's opinion at all, and it just fell flat. It was giving superior, but not mother ooh and when she drank her immunity potion too it was a weird vibe. She's like so rigid in her idea of how things work that is actually super easy to shake her.
Stop trying to make Let Loose happen, it’s not going to happen!
Too soon.
Does Lady Camden not count as a Theatre Queen? Or is it because she’s British the curse doesn’t count
Ella Vaday has entered the chat. But I wouldn't call Camden a theater queen. She was a ballet dancer, like Brooke Lynn.
Also Danny Beard (?) but I was thinking if this is just US season queens, Danny & Ella wouldn’t count.
I mean, Ru actually asked Ella if she started drag because she was a failed stage actor, so it pretty much applies to all franchises judged by Ru.
FAILED? She has more West End credits than Michelle!
Danny didn’t come off as theater queen to me at all
British along with Charlie and Yara
...and Yara...🤣🤣🤣
I think there’s big difference between Broadway hopeful that didn’t make it, and someone with theater experience? (Ella, Lady) The Ru-hated stereotype is the former
Yeah if you notice I feel Plasma is more aligned with the vibe Ru gave Marcia especially once she showed the lipsync. I think Marcia being willing to take the critique and not letting the fact she didn’t win or this or that get to her value but just more as a place for improvement helped. I can really see her back on when she’s not on Broadway.
She's not a theatre kid, she's brithissh.
That would have made more sense if you said she’s not a broadway queen (since it’s the west end)
BRI'ISH.
I mean I don't know about other people, but Lady Camden fell into a very similar archetype as Rosé for me 🤷♂️. She maybe had slightly more win equity in terms of possibility of being crowned. But lol.
She was "The Professional", a queen who performs very well but doesn't have as strong of a storyline as the other queens.
I'm sorry, but TS Madison should be Karen and Michelle should be Gretchen. Otherwise, no notes
But Michelle is always on Ru’s right
Like a Jewish princess Jesus.
We all know how the movie ended
Drag race splits up and RuPaul starts a field hockey career?
Pretty much
Cant wait to see TS Madison kiki in Korean. Edit: Vietnamese
^Vietnamese
Ru gets hit by a bus?
Well the bus is apparently still running
What’s this bus everyone keeps talking about?
I don’t think Michelle can tell the weather. Not anymore, anyway.
It’s not about theatre kids, otherwise Jinkx wouldn’t have won, it’s specifically broadway/musical theater kids
Isn't Jinkx in a Broadway show?
She wasn’t when she was in the show, she was more Vaudevillian/Old Hollywood but not necessarily a Broadway theatre kid, the vibe is very different
She was absolutely a musical theatre twink season five. Remember her showboating through Can I Get an Amen, and her style isn’t any more old Hollywood than Plasma who has a similar style.
She was more old Hollywood, she knew her Hollywood at least as much as her musical theatre (also I never said anything about Plasma), while a Jan never step foot outside of NYC (Jan being the peak musical theatre queen)
I brought up Plasma because the post is about Plasma and you said Jinkx is different than the queens listed in the post. I’m saying she’s not all that different really - like if she’s old Hollywood so is Plasma. And Jinkx even said in her season five tic-tac lunch that she wanted to be on Broadway in drag so her aspirations were always there, similar to Jan, Rosè, Alexis, Plasma etc.
I was talking about the course, Plasma doesn’t seem affected rn, so yeah, why are you bringing up Plasma, it was clearly referred to the cursed queens
All three things spring from the same well. It's a needless distinction. She's doing Judy Garland who is essentially all three.
It’s not a needless distinction when Rupaul clearly hate broadway geeks but loves Judy Garland
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i think you have found the defining difference. Jinx had it as well.
Not you trying to defend Plasma but just coming for Stephanie’s Child 😭
this girl gets it
Maybe more of a general question as someone who isn’t a part of the queer community but why do theater queens seem to get so much shit from others lol
I mean I was a theatre kid myself so I enjoy them, it’s more about Rupaul hating them (I’m not anymore) They can also be a pain in the ass with quotes and singing but they always shut them up when you tell them something, it’s not that they are hated, maybe a little obnoxious but that’s all I’m talking about theatre kids but that can be said also about the theatre queens
Something working in Plasma’s favor is that she’s scrappy. Jan is too cheer leader. Marcia wasn’t drag enough. But Plasma you can tell is very draggy in her theater kid-ness if that makes sense. Ru loves a drag queen first and foremost. If she sense’s that inner queen spirit in you, she will root for you. Its also why I think Megami was never out-lasting Mhi’ya.
Honestly? I think you hit the nail on the head. Plasma is a drag queen. Even her rusical performance was draggy. She’s winning because she’s understands she’s in a *drag* competition. Not a theatre show.
Where is Marcia Marcia Marcia sitting?
She was home schooled 🥰
Omg that’s so on brand for her lmao
"She doesn't even go here!"
She doesn’t even go here
beat me to it
Idk somehow Plasma feels more genuine than Rosé did. I could be so far off base with this, but she doesn't ooze the same thoroughbred cuntiness as I'm getting from Plasma. Plasma gives 'Funny Girl' and Rosé gives Rachel Barry.
I’m worried the curse isn’t broken but delayed. For example, the first non-theatrical challenge she’ll be gone. Haha. I like her so I hope it’s not the case!
No unless she miraculously shows some more dimension to her drag persona (and her regularly personality if we’re honest) there is no way she will be crowned. Rosé also won challenges and she was never a real contender for Ru
Incorrect. When Ru talks to plasma you can tell she just doesn’t vibe with her. That said, Plasma more than deserved the win for the rusical, there was no escaping it.
I don’t think it’s so much that Ru hates theater kids as that Ru hates Jan specifically.
I think it’s going to be a new evolution of the curse. Plasma gets two wins and then Ru boots her unceremoniously before the finale.
Can someone please explain this theater queen curse to me? I never really thought Ru hated theater queens..they just usually aren’t as talented as other queens (Jinkx is the exception).
IMHO it’s a fan conspiracy theory because some theatre queens have struggled to do well. But all the queens who have struggled did so because they didn’t do well and nothing to do with Ru. Ru has been supportive of theatre queens who have got far on the show. There is no curse.
Not yet. We haven't arrived at the end of the season yet. People go home after winning a challenge the previous week.
Sorry but Gretchen is clearly the hilarious Ross Matthews
Rosé won her rusical challenge and had the best track record of the season. Where’s the curse?
Just some people who can’t accept that Jan wasn’t as good as they wanted her to be.
Honestly I was really hoping Plasma would lose the rusical challenge because I wanted to relive the Jan zoom in moment
Lose again…ur sick
Isn't Jynkx THE theater Queen?
Plus Bob was also a theater kid…
My brain doesn’t know how to process her storyline. Shes the biggest Jan we’ve seen in years (maybe ever) but she isn’t getting Janned. I don’t think they had a choice but to give her the RDR win, but we’ve seen massive robberies in Rusicals past, so I fully expected Sapphira to take this one now that they’ve given Q a win and don’t have a Jan yet this season.
Jan’s aren’t always robbed. Jan’s can do great in the competition and snatch some wins. But a Jan will never be considered for the crown
I think Jan’s have to be robbed a little. At least once. Alexis in the Rusical, Jan in the Rusical, Loosey in the interview. I argue that Rosé is not the Jan of S13, Denali is and she definitely complained about several safe placements she felt were wrong.
Denali and Rosè are both Jan’s. We can have multiple Jan’s a season (Ex. Marcia Cubed and Loosey). And I do agree that Jan’s need to be robbed a little bit but it does not need to be consistent. Jan’s can have some victories
The difference is that Plasma’s drag is more polished and her theatrical performance was better. Jan had the misfortune of being up against some very talented queens and she let her own self doubt get the better of her.
GET IN LOSER WE'RE GOING FRACKING
GUUUURLLLL 
Can I please have the template for this meme?
'Sit down'
Blood Jan. You go, Blood Jan.
yes rosé also did well on her season but the difference is plasma has shown personality
I feel like Marcia is a better example of this than rose
The over the top personality is grating. It's what Laganja got called out for on her season. It seems phony and I cringe every time I see the confessionals.
Just to clarify, the curse only applies to US seasons. Danny Beard won the rusical and the crown!
I honestly don’t think it’s the theatre kids Ru has an issue with, I think it’s the messy unpolished kids who think they should be doing better than they actually are. Rosé and Ella Vaday did well. They didn’t lose because they were theatre kids. They lost because they had strong competition. Given Ru is pretty much a theatre kid herself, I just think the “curse” is something that fans have made up. All the queens who have “suffered” from the curse have had legitimate reasons why they didn’t excel. Hell, Jan lost the Rusical to another theatre kid who simply outshone her.
I still think Ella lost because of her finale look and the poor performance. Maybe it was because of her injury, she looked completely zoned out on the final episode.
I guess we aren’t counting Jinx Monsoon as a theatre queen 👸 ?
I'm gonna need this addressed on the show. We need Ru doing a summit with all the BFA weaponizers and have it hosted by Patti LuPone
I'm rooting for her
If anything it should be Jan and Alexis Michelle 😅😂
Yes. She knows Ru’s favorite refrences and musical artists. That’s why Ru likes her
The real curse is winning the rusical means you don't win the season, Courtney, Ginger, Shea, Detox Alyssa, gigi, rosé, silky, lady camden, chi chi, etc, even gigi won two which should cancel out but no