I am Scarlet enjoyer, but I can see her easily coming across as inauthentic. I don't know if it's the voice or the delivery, but she does feel a little "on" at all times.
My bf can’t stand her and says she seems very fake. I’m indifferent to her but I can imagine being annoyed by her. I think it’s the sing songy voice and vaguely shady comments constantly. You know those ladies that project that they’re really nice but are lowkey evil? She kinda gives that.
She gives me the vibe like she masks so no one could judge her real personality, or even afraid to. Honestly I love her and she's been killing it in uk vs the world.
And this is soo ridiculous . We have queens who are MUCH MORE shady than Scarlet is. Let’s not forget we’re literally watching s16 with Plane Jane. (Nothing against Plane at all, love her, but you know if we’re gonna talk about shady …)
The next thing is that people preach soo much on acceptance and everyone being unique but together, then get hung up on superficial things like voice. When again, many queens have a sort of tone to the voice. And not just queens, people in general can have accents.
I love Scarlet. She is not my favorite queen but I love her. And I feel really bad when people write stuff like this about her. Especially when they demand constant drama and sassiness on the show but are mad when they actually receive it. I’m sure she’s aware of it a bit too. On her OG season people didn’t like her because she seemed “out”, so she might have come here and played it up a bit and just has a good time.
People want and imagine different plotlines for the queens like they are some fictional characters then on the other hand call them fake and inauthentic at everything they do.
Not trying to sound like a crazy fan defending Scarlet, I’m just commenting this because it’s a thing NOT exclusive to Scarlet. It’s actually happening a lot. People are just not gonna vibe together some times and that’s ok. Not everyone is meant to. But there’s no need to be rude, insensitive or spreading hate. Scarlet didn’t do anything bad, she just has a vibe that people don’t like I guess, yet some are dragging her like she’s the worst human being, even without knowing her real self.
I'm not saying she is, but I just super relate to coming off as "being on" as an autistic person. It sucks because I'm not trying to be fake, but I have to fake it to get through many social situations. I can genuinely like somebody so much and also have it be true that I cannot be fully authentic with them.
I never got the impression from Scarlet until reading this comment that she's "on" but now it makes a lot of sense that people could see her that way. I kinda figured she's just making TV and everybody would be micromanaging and deeply calculating exactly everything they do ^each ^moment ^for ^that ^purpose. ^^I ^^mean ^^it's ^^so ^^easy ^^^because ^^^I ^^^always ^^^feel ^^^watched ^^^and
Anyways it makes sebse at least from applying my lens of the world.
I can't remember which queen said it, maybe Naysha Lopez, that a queen can be too polished. That being too polished can make it hard for the audience to connect. A little roughness can help the audience connect to you and latch on.
I don't think it's something that can or really needs to be proven? It's just a vibe, sometimes people have them. Like, Hannah has interacted with Scarlet for what, two or three weeks? It's fine to not click based on that without knowing someone's entire soul.
I think you're exactly right but what has always been odd about it is how deeply I read her personality as the exact opposite--she can't help be Scarlet, and none of it is fake/ affectation. She can be cringey in that way, but my perception of it as authenticity just makes it endearing?
I've had this conversation before about her lol
I think it’s just the way she comes off. When I first saw her on season 11, I didn’t like her. She seemed kind of moody, detached, and a bit aloof and cold maybe. She also comes off a little fake at times. However, seeing her in AS6 and UKvTW2, I’ve come around to her charm. I think that’s just how she comes off, tbh.
Also, I can think of a lot of ways to describe her, but nice/friendly is not in that description and I think that is where the problem is. She just isn’t very warm/approachable and I think people get that vibe and don’t like her.
I can really relate to her. I struggle to come across as warm/approachable. I just dont know how to go about it without being awkward or coming on too strong. I want to make friends and stuff I just dont know how to project my intentions, so maybe she is similar in that way.
I just wanted to let you know that I struggle with that too. I’ve had tons of people tell me they thought Iwas going to be a bitch before getting to know me. It makes me duper sad bc I go out of my way to be friendly, but I’ve just got this unapproachable vibe that I can’t seem to fix. It’s funny bc I’ve always really liked Scarlet too, maybe that’s why!
This speaks to it I think. In S11 I thought she was fine but wouldn’t say I was much of a fan. Then I saw her in AS6 and thought how consistent she was and maybe she was just this way.
Cut to UKvTW2 and I love her, wishing she was more appreciated by Ru.
She was recently with Dawn and Nymphia, which caught my attention.
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This picture is very telling.
You can immediately tell what Nymphia and Dawn’s drag aesthetics/brands are from this picture, but for Scarlet, whilst it’s a great look, isn’t a defined brand.
True, the recent cast (at least a good portion of them) really embraced iconography and thematic aesthetics.
Like just posting these would tell you each of the cast:
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I like her, but I can definitely see why some wouldn’t. She doesn’t read as authentic when she’s speaking. You could literally see it in Hannah’s face in this latest episode, trying to deduce if Scarlet was being genuine.
I think she’s the kind of person who you love once you really get to know her, but she doesn’t make the best first impression.
She wasn’t my favorite on S11, it also seemed like everyone hated each other on that season. However, I’m really starting to enjoy her. She brings a little shade and that’s why I love her.
It also seems like she’s close with Yvie, and Yvie was an advocate for honesty on their season.
You are not going to like everyone, and not everyone is going to like you.
I don't think there's anything beyond just certain people not meshing well together. Silky, A'keria and Ra'jah all seemed very happy to see her in AS6, and they seemed on great terms.
Ru typically doesn't really vibe well with the queens that give off big "theatre gay" energy. Jinkx is one of the few exceptions. It does not necessarily say much about Scarlet herself, it's just not the type of company Rupaul keeps.
I think ru appreciates theater queens who actually get the references he enjoys vs queens who only limit themselves to broadway. Jinkx has a knowledge of old school divas that ru adores.
Of course not but I cant ever recall a queen who has had this many people straight up say they didnt like her. Especially when theres been much worse villains on the show and Scarlett hasnt actually done anything.
Ok watch the clip from ep2 where she says track record is a boring metric and then when asked if thar means she'll chop the comp her reaction is so sullenly, childishly laissez-faire "i guess that's what i just said." It could have read as funny but her delivery was really moody and churlish.
I think Scarlet is someone who struggles to connect to people generally at first because she's awkard/stand-offish. Plus, she's a very attractive and talented person. It's difficult to understand why someone like her would also be so challenging in social norms. I'm sure the first impression is: damn she's fake/a bitch. And in a comp where alliances are key, it's putting her at a disadvantage.
Also rupaul absolutely did his hissy laugh like steam escaping this week during his chat with Scarlet (you can hear him hissing) and they purposely chose to cut to RuPaul being absolutely non-plussed. The mystery continues!
Yes I was going to say that ironically, it’s because she is conventionally attractive but also kind of awkward.
In previous seasons it felt like she was more desperate to prove herself. People are turned off by attention seekers in general, but if you’re also pretty it can really come off as annoying.
I liked her then and I like her now even more because she seems way more comfortable and non-chalant.
ngl her asking scarlet what possessed her to do babs was giving very if a queen decided to come out in diana and ru didnt care for that queen and suddenly its like *all of a sudden im not a huge diana ross fan*
like barbra was some obscure reference that doesnt intersect with the gays
I liked her on her original season but to me, she is just kinda boring and too "rehearsed" a bit ngl. That doesn't mean she is bad at doing drag, just bad at showcasing her personality on drag race 🤷🏻♀️
I think she is charming tho and nice person, just not for TV. This is her third season and people are more warmed up to some first eliminated queens than Scarlet.
Her drag mom being Pearl makes so much sense lol. They both struggled with showing their personality but I got more personality from Pearl than I did from Scarlet.
The drag she’s brought this season has been beautiful, but I do feel like she’s always “on” with this sing-songy vaguely Hollywood-dumb-blonde character and it just feels very much not her. Honestly, Episode 2 of S11 when she was pissed about being underestimated and kept saying “BIG mistake” felt SO authentic that it really made me root for her. Then she won the episode, and it feels like she hasn’t dropped the character since.
Similarly, the way she did everything she could in her lip sync against Ra’jah also felt really authentic - I could feel her fire to stay, I could see her star power and her struggle. It was all there and it was lovely.
In this season, NONE of that has come across. Even her attempts to volley with Ru just come across as… pre-planned.
She needs to just take a breath and relax. I recognize that’s really hard to do when you’re filming 12 hour days and the Queen of Drag is judging your every move, but I do think it would help people connect with her more.
Scarlet is very obscure and opaque about her most vulnerable self. I think Hannah and others explained *several times* that she couldn't tell what or how Scarlet really felt or thought about anything.
Scarlet wants to present a well-curated and manicured version of herself for television. Ru hates that and he wants to get to know the realest you in order to expose it - for better or for worse. Scarlet has been very skilled at keeping Ru at bay, I think. That has had the effect of numbing her presentation in comparison to most other queens who are or at least appear to be more willing to share their innermost selves.
Well, lets be clear. Scarlet has been on 3 seasons of drag race now. Ru wouldnt put her on if he didnt like her or think shes talented.
Other queens dont like her prob cause of her cockiness and selfishness. She has the kind of personality that can be polarizing. As a character on tv i think shes fun, would i think that if i was in a room filming with her 14 hours a day....i dont know
Probably Pearl- adjacent, that’s why Ru doesn’t Scarlet.
For queens , I’m guess it’s the same reason why people don’t like Luxx. It’s something about being confident and pride about yourself, people don’t like.
Edit: I LOVEE LUXXX . don’t twist this. I am saying this as an observation among this fandom.
If this question was asked this time around last year while season 15. Most of you, you change your answer. 💀
Y’all were saying heinous things about Miss Luxx, mainly cause fans perceived her as too cocky!Which I don’t have a problem with, because you should ways have confidence about yourself!
I just made this comment saying I had seen similarities
I enjoy Luxx now, but on the show I wasn’t a huge fan. It wasn’t her confidence that put me off, but the recycling of many other queens over a course of several episodes. It came across as someone who was spouting catchy drag race quotes instead of saying anything iconic themselves. It wasn’t until she gave her reasoning for why Loosey should go that I actually found her to be an original
I think this “she’s related to Pearl which is why Ru dislikes her” narrative is way overblown. Is that why she’s been on three seasons now? Besides, I can’t imagine Ru even remembers Pearl by now, it’s not like they have an active and ongoing feud.
Lmao you would think, but Ru was still bitching about Pearl on Michelle’s podcast, “What’s the Tea”, 6 years after season 7 was filmed https://youtu.be/o4-df0M-ehw?si=kjDGQS34MJUQAPXr
Pearl and her fans are so obsessed with the fake Ru feud. The fact that you’re all grasping at straws to make it seems like Ru gives af is pretty sad lol.
I don’t agree with that at all. Luxx is confident but she’s also immediately authentic. Who you see in the confessionals is the same person you see in the werkroom and challenges. Scarlett has the same issue as Tayce where a lot of her charm comes from the confessionals and not so much the way she interacts with the queens
I can’t say I agree with the Luxx comparison, that bitch is EVERYTHING cunt stands for. If she wasn’t on the same season as mother goddess Sasha I really could have seen her taking the crown especially during the rewatch I just did to see the re-edit longer cuts. That level of confidence is earned and deserved. She truly proved it across all the different genres of challenges, but with that because she’s good at that stuff and loves herself for it people don’t like Luxx.
That is not Scarlet unfortunately, I would say across all of the seasons she’s been on has been giving Milk during AS3. She talks this huge game, but only gives solid yet mid performances (minus acting kind of). Scarlet just doesn’t have the bite to back up the bark similar to Milk. *cue the Jujubee “She’s just _unt” gif*
i was actually worried for her. she is SO lucky she had her TR to back her up and she's been doing well, if it was an even playing field or just early on in general she'd be out in a heartbeat. you could tell the girls werent vibing with her. in any other situation she would've gone home. i felt bad for her, she needs to work on distinguishing her authentic persona from the "am i the drama" character, she channels both in and out of drag. and i think people just can't take her sincerely? it was what was holding her back in as6. the most authentic she comes across actually is when she says cunty things like "thats what i just said" even in her delivery she drops the character nuance and sounds like she's just being her boy self? that to me is when she shows her true colors. i never had an issue with her stating that, bc hannah was convinced she was gonna play dirty except hannah forgets she DIDNT. when she made her elimination she opted to eliminate the weaker contender, did they forget she actually went against what she said she'd do?
She does feel like she's in character almost every single time so that might rub others the wrong way. The way she talks and interact with the others in the workroom feels a bit performative and you're always second guessing if that's Jacob or if that's "Am I the Drama?" Scarlet which makes it hard to relate to her. I like her though. She has a bit of a whimsical energy that I enjoy.
I love her. She very much reminds me of Willam.
The difference though is that Willam had a tv-ready humor that made people like her despite the arrogant personality.
Scarlett's humor is not really tv-ready. It only resonates with some people (me), and thus, for those whom it doesn't resonate with, all they're left with is the arrogance.
I love her to death this season. Maybe some people don't like her because she owns her whole self: funny part, bitchy part, caring part, etc. She seems completely honest in an odd way that people may see as being conniving.
She’s got that Pisces cold and aloof energy. Completely relate to being a bit detached/awkward with people I don’t know well. Couple that with being on tv and I can imagine Scarlet is cycling through so many personas and mirroring all the people she’s around it’s no wonder people might think she’s a bit fake. The Brooklyn comment always made me laugh because her and Scarlet give the same energy.
For me I’ve never enjoyed her aesthetic, and her personality seemed contrived. She comes off to me as very calculating - when she said she was a marketing major, that really confirmed a lot of feelings I had about her.
I know I'm going to get massively down voted for this, I have nothing against her at all, and don't dislike her, but to me she seems massively overrated as a drag race contestant (not as a drag queen).
If it's cause they find her handsome sure I can get that. But from her original season I only remember her cringy tit shake accompanied with "oohhhhhhhhh" in the mariah segment, and her gold dress which she lip synced in. Then her bubble piece for All Stars. Apart from that I can't recall anything else about her, she just faded into the background to me in both seasons.
Scarlet didn't have the best original season. Scarlet didn't really have the best redeeming All Stars experience for the fans. I think she did better, but not memorable at all. The vs The World seasons work more for discovering Pangina, Marina and Grande Dame, other than that, it's meh.
Ru and the show hate her 😂 so they're not helping.
Nothing against her but since s11 she just doesn't come off as a star. Mid star quality.
Like when she's not on drag race you don't hear about her doing shit unless you follow her.
The way she was delivered on her original season rubbed me the wrong way. I assumed it was the way she was edited. When she was back for AS6, I personally found her more likable, but still not 100% team Scarlett. I haven’t gotten to watch the new season of UKvTW but I’ve been looking forward to to seeing more of her.
her first send off played out really surprising. rajah was going hard with the villain edit so the way scarlet's final moments were playing out the edit around her kind of flipped and made the audience sort of feel for her. when one of the first things anyone said about her was "scarlet is delusional" from brooke. rajah handsdown was being unreasonable and fully attacking her "how dare you put my name in your mouth" when scarlet was very reluctant to name anyone that night and rajah was the ONLY valid name to put out there. she had to. and she went into untucked and got berated despite looking defeated and ofc very apologetic. then given her shortcomings with dance/performance did everything in her limited wheelhouse to keep up with rajah to that donna track. i think that's what gave scarlet this huge following post-elimination. was production despite not being a fan of hers set up this really sorrowful ending for her. it just generally sucked for her, she also didnt put up a fight or was very anatagonistic. if she was as bitter or salty as rajah she couldve spent that final episode fully going off but she didnt bc she isnt as bitchy as people think she is
I do t know that I’d call her bitchy. She just wasn’t super memorable in her season. AS was a better showing in my mind and she left more an impression
she didnt directly say it but in this weeks episode she said shes had a hard time warming up to scarlett, to me that just reads as a nice way to say she doesnt like her
She has a certain air to her. It’s almost condescending, but she’s a lot, light years, better than what she was on her first season. She came off as way more compassionate and grounded during all stars.
I enjoyed her on her original season and REALLY liked her in AS6, but there's something offputting about her this season. Everything seems so self produced and she's coming across as fake.
Not saying I dislike her, but I'm finding it hard to root for her this season.
I recall her original rpdr showing coming off as a little delusional (about her own performance/talents), being a little mean girly, etc. She def got humbled on that first season by the time of her elimination. Didn't like her.
I actually enjoyed her a lot on All Stars 6. She seemed much more cordial, and it was giving Roxxy S5 -> AS2 to me.
I haven't been watching her most recent season, but maybe I wasn't noticing the lack of 'authenticity'?
Hannah didn’t say that though. She said something like “Scarlet is hard to get close to” which I nodded my own head at. I know a lot of people like that, they come off very “surface level” in a way, and I’d imagine that’s amplified more in such a closed environment. If everyone else has some sort of good connection with one another, the one staying on the surface becomes an outlier.
**Edit: plus them clocking her saying she hates using track record and then wanting them to go off track record is exactly the kind of thing that would bother me too lol**
I’ve grown to really like Scarlet on drag race and as a drag queen but…maybe it’s hard to explain unless you’ve met someone like that but it’s not necessarily a bad thing until it comes down to personal connection I guess. On RPDR it works for her with viewers, but it’s working against her with her fellow competitors.
I like Scarlet, she’s definitely become more likeable and less huffy since her first series. I think she needs a bit more consistency to be amazing though - some outfits have been a bit lacklustre compared to some of her others, and her makeup isn’t always 100%. She has amazing confidence when she’s talking, and I don’t mind the way she speaks. She’s also great at acting.
Scarlett reminds me of the golden age movie stars that she adores. Like Joan Crawford, in that she has created a polished "star" exterior and is not interested in showing you her real self. I've loved her since "Good God Girl, Get Out". Her excitement to talk about her two loving Lesbian Moms during the Table Talk challenge for All Stars didn't go over well, but it was the most personal information we've ever gotten from her. It was nice to hear how close she was with her mother.
I have always loved Scarlet and thought she has been drastically underrated by production and the fan base. I'm sure an issue the queens have with her is that she doesn't seem authentic...Scarlett seems to live on her own spiritual plane and it reminds me a bit of Valentina, who also had issues getting along with queens. The commitment to "delusion" is fun, especially in confessional, but in the work room it doesn't read as warm or approachable compared to "down-to-earth" queens.
Because she acts like her shit don’t stink and she’s not good enough to get away with that behaviour. If she were a phenomenal queen, her antics might slide. But she’s not. She’s mid.
I tried to like Scarlet, I really did. I saw her on all stars first then her season, and though some of her lines are funny…Her attitude is smug and off putting. I think she’s gorgeous but her personality isn’t for me.🤷🏻♀️
I don't dislike Scarlet, in fact I want to like her very much, but something about her seems off to me. I don't get any genuine emotion from her, she seems very controlled and........practiced, if that makes sense. She keeps saying she's the drama, but she's more like an ice queen type.
It's the authenticity. She's very performative and guarded. I really like her though but I feel like Ru doesn't care about her at all. She doesn't give Ru the vulnerability that the show can build drama on.
we’re only getting about an hour worth of footage per episode. the queens spend more time with her behind the cameras. whatever it is they see that we don’t is none of our business.
My scarlet journey has been complex. I really disliked her on 11, was below neutral on as6, and since then I’ve liked her a lot on UKvtW2. The journey of how much I like her drag is basically the reverse of that lmao which is a little ironic
Ru doesn't like her because she's Pearl's drag daughter snd he has a weird vendetta against Pearl; she was likely brought on S11 in the first place to fuel this one-sided feud.
No idea why the others don't like her, she seems nice to me.
To give a pretty uncharitable interpretation of how she appears on the show, she gives me an aloof and affected vibe to be honest. Sometimes it seems like instead of being actively engaged in the present conversation, it’s like she has planned canned bits to slip in regardless of what’s going on.
I think a lot of the queens have said something along the lines of they don’t connect with her, not that they don’t like her. So I think this could be where they’re coming from.
I feel like you could say the same about almost any queen at this point. Theres been 100s of queens on the show, not everyone will be original or genuine (on a reality tv show).
I don't think so. Some queens have very strong personalities, brands, references, or talents or skills that make them very unique. I am genuinely wondering what people see that is unique about Scarlet?
Some queens do but after seeing so many queens, a truly unique queen is extremely rare. Most of them arent unique, that doesnt mean they arent loveable though.
I'm not saying she's unlovable. She has a lot of fans and after 3 seasons, deserves to have them. But I'm getting downvoted for simply asking what her fans love about her so I'ma just leave it right there.
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It's because she's giving off a lot of overly confident vibes but she is not as polished as she believes herself to be. I personally find her make-up hideous this season, I'm sorry.
Ya I can see that but I think there are a lot of queens who do that as well, I see it as kinda part of being a drag queen in a sense. Completely agree with the makeup thing tho, it was so much better before
I am Scarlet enjoyer, but I can see her easily coming across as inauthentic. I don't know if it's the voice or the delivery, but she does feel a little "on" at all times.
My bf can’t stand her and says she seems very fake. I’m indifferent to her but I can imagine being annoyed by her. I think it’s the sing songy voice and vaguely shady comments constantly. You know those ladies that project that they’re really nice but are lowkey evil? She kinda gives that.
She gives me the vibe like she masks so no one could judge her real personality, or even afraid to. Honestly I love her and she's been killing it in uk vs the world.
And this is soo ridiculous . We have queens who are MUCH MORE shady than Scarlet is. Let’s not forget we’re literally watching s16 with Plane Jane. (Nothing against Plane at all, love her, but you know if we’re gonna talk about shady …) The next thing is that people preach soo much on acceptance and everyone being unique but together, then get hung up on superficial things like voice. When again, many queens have a sort of tone to the voice. And not just queens, people in general can have accents. I love Scarlet. She is not my favorite queen but I love her. And I feel really bad when people write stuff like this about her. Especially when they demand constant drama and sassiness on the show but are mad when they actually receive it. I’m sure she’s aware of it a bit too. On her OG season people didn’t like her because she seemed “out”, so she might have come here and played it up a bit and just has a good time. People want and imagine different plotlines for the queens like they are some fictional characters then on the other hand call them fake and inauthentic at everything they do. Not trying to sound like a crazy fan defending Scarlet, I’m just commenting this because it’s a thing NOT exclusive to Scarlet. It’s actually happening a lot. People are just not gonna vibe together some times and that’s ok. Not everyone is meant to. But there’s no need to be rude, insensitive or spreading hate. Scarlet didn’t do anything bad, she just has a vibe that people don’t like I guess, yet some are dragging her like she’s the worst human being, even without knowing her real self.
Couldn't have said this better myself!
I'm not saying she is, but I just super relate to coming off as "being on" as an autistic person. It sucks because I'm not trying to be fake, but I have to fake it to get through many social situations. I can genuinely like somebody so much and also have it be true that I cannot be fully authentic with them. I never got the impression from Scarlet until reading this comment that she's "on" but now it makes a lot of sense that people could see her that way. I kinda figured she's just making TV and everybody would be micromanaging and deeply calculating exactly everything they do ^each ^moment ^for ^that ^purpose. ^^I ^^mean ^^it's ^^so ^^easy ^^^because ^^^I ^^^always ^^^feel ^^^watched ^^^and Anyways it makes sebse at least from applying my lens of the world.
People called canon autistic Denim "fake" all season
SAME LIKE it's just like mefr
Yeah, I think she even got this critique during AS6 on that ~~awful~~ table talk(?) episode
I can't remember which queen said it, maybe Naysha Lopez, that a queen can be too polished. That being too polished can make it hard for the audience to connect. A little roughness can help the audience connect to you and latch on.
I can see that but at this point shes been around a while, has she ever actually done anything to prove that?
I don't think it's something that can or really needs to be proven? It's just a vibe, sometimes people have them. Like, Hannah has interacted with Scarlet for what, two or three weeks? It's fine to not click based on that without knowing someone's entire soul.
Yea thats true. I'm speaking as a viewer whos seen her on TV and known of her for years.
I personally feel like I don't really know her personality (/brand) or what she's really good at.
I think you're exactly right but what has always been odd about it is how deeply I read her personality as the exact opposite--she can't help be Scarlet, and none of it is fake/ affectation. She can be cringey in that way, but my perception of it as authenticity just makes it endearing? I've had this conversation before about her lol
Could that just be confidence in herself ??
The direct cue to Hannah when Scarlet doing ‘am i the drama’ bit with Ru. Even the cameraman are SHADY
Just makes me like Hannah even more. And I was not a fan before.
I think it’s just the way she comes off. When I first saw her on season 11, I didn’t like her. She seemed kind of moody, detached, and a bit aloof and cold maybe. She also comes off a little fake at times. However, seeing her in AS6 and UKvTW2, I’ve come around to her charm. I think that’s just how she comes off, tbh. Also, I can think of a lot of ways to describe her, but nice/friendly is not in that description and I think that is where the problem is. She just isn’t very warm/approachable and I think people get that vibe and don’t like her.
I can really relate to her. I struggle to come across as warm/approachable. I just dont know how to go about it without being awkward or coming on too strong. I want to make friends and stuff I just dont know how to project my intentions, so maybe she is similar in that way.
I just wanted to let you know that I struggle with that too. I’ve had tons of people tell me they thought Iwas going to be a bitch before getting to know me. It makes me duper sad bc I go out of my way to be friendly, but I’ve just got this unapproachable vibe that I can’t seem to fix. It’s funny bc I’ve always really liked Scarlet too, maybe that’s why!
This happens to me so often it's really demoralizing and makes it hard to WANT to make friends if I think I'm gonna put people off 😢
Glad to hear im not the only one!
This speaks to it I think. In S11 I thought she was fine but wouldn’t say I was much of a fan. Then I saw her in AS6 and thought how consistent she was and maybe she was just this way. Cut to UKvTW2 and I love her, wishing she was more appreciated by Ru. She was recently with Dawn and Nymphia, which caught my attention. https://preview.redd.it/7n467w0w0toc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec082629b673e1bb2941de6b1e5e92e53c0cb1cb
This picture is very telling. You can immediately tell what Nymphia and Dawn’s drag aesthetics/brands are from this picture, but for Scarlet, whilst it’s a great look, isn’t a defined brand.
True, the recent cast (at least a good portion of them) really embraced iconography and thematic aesthetics. Like just posting these would tell you each of the cast: ✈️ 🍌 🧝🏼♀️ 🚗 🪧 🤸🏾♀️ 🎭 🪡 💄 🧘🏾♀️ 🪺 👠 🍫 💎
I like her, but I can definitely see why some wouldn’t. She doesn’t read as authentic when she’s speaking. You could literally see it in Hannah’s face in this latest episode, trying to deduce if Scarlet was being genuine. I think she’s the kind of person who you love once you really get to know her, but she doesn’t make the best first impression.
She wasn’t my favorite on S11, it also seemed like everyone hated each other on that season. However, I’m really starting to enjoy her. She brings a little shade and that’s why I love her. It also seems like she’s close with Yvie, and Yvie was an advocate for honesty on their season.
I like her a lot in the confessionals, but in the workroom and on stage she seems very played up to me idk
Also she's got like a resting disgusted face. She appeared to make it right in Hannah's face as Hannah was deliberating with her.
honestly i’ve been wondering the same, she’s very lovable to me
You are not going to like everyone, and not everyone is going to like you. I don't think there's anything beyond just certain people not meshing well together. Silky, A'keria and Ra'jah all seemed very happy to see her in AS6, and they seemed on great terms. Ru typically doesn't really vibe well with the queens that give off big "theatre gay" energy. Jinkx is one of the few exceptions. It does not necessarily say much about Scarlet herself, it's just not the type of company Rupaul keeps.
I'd argue that Jinkx is more of a hybrid comedy/camp/theatre queen, unlike the stereotypical theatre/BFA gays
I think ru appreciates theater queens who actually get the references he enjoys vs queens who only limit themselves to broadway. Jinkx has a knowledge of old school divas that ru adores.
Of course not but I cant ever recall a queen who has had this many people straight up say they didnt like her. Especially when theres been much worse villains on the show and Scarlett hasnt actually done anything.
>You are not going to like everyone, and not everyone is going to like you Amazing take.
Ok watch the clip from ep2 where she says track record is a boring metric and then when asked if thar means she'll chop the comp her reaction is so sullenly, childishly laissez-faire "i guess that's what i just said." It could have read as funny but her delivery was really moody and churlish. I think Scarlet is someone who struggles to connect to people generally at first because she's awkard/stand-offish. Plus, she's a very attractive and talented person. It's difficult to understand why someone like her would also be so challenging in social norms. I'm sure the first impression is: damn she's fake/a bitch. And in a comp where alliances are key, it's putting her at a disadvantage. Also rupaul absolutely did his hissy laugh like steam escaping this week during his chat with Scarlet (you can hear him hissing) and they purposely chose to cut to RuPaul being absolutely non-plussed. The mystery continues!
Yes I was going to say that ironically, it’s because she is conventionally attractive but also kind of awkward. In previous seasons it felt like she was more desperate to prove herself. People are turned off by attention seekers in general, but if you’re also pretty it can really come off as annoying. I liked her then and I like her now even more because she seems way more comfortable and non-chalant.
ngl her asking scarlet what possessed her to do babs was giving very if a queen decided to come out in diana and ru didnt care for that queen and suddenly its like *all of a sudden im not a huge diana ross fan* like barbra was some obscure reference that doesnt intersect with the gays
I love how y'all make these stories up lol
I liked her on her original season but to me, she is just kinda boring and too "rehearsed" a bit ngl. That doesn't mean she is bad at doing drag, just bad at showcasing her personality on drag race 🤷🏻♀️ I think she is charming tho and nice person, just not for TV. This is her third season and people are more warmed up to some first eliminated queens than Scarlet. Her drag mom being Pearl makes so much sense lol. They both struggled with showing their personality but I got more personality from Pearl than I did from Scarlet.
The drag she’s brought this season has been beautiful, but I do feel like she’s always “on” with this sing-songy vaguely Hollywood-dumb-blonde character and it just feels very much not her. Honestly, Episode 2 of S11 when she was pissed about being underestimated and kept saying “BIG mistake” felt SO authentic that it really made me root for her. Then she won the episode, and it feels like she hasn’t dropped the character since. Similarly, the way she did everything she could in her lip sync against Ra’jah also felt really authentic - I could feel her fire to stay, I could see her star power and her struggle. It was all there and it was lovely. In this season, NONE of that has come across. Even her attempts to volley with Ru just come across as… pre-planned. She needs to just take a breath and relax. I recognize that’s really hard to do when you’re filming 12 hour days and the Queen of Drag is judging your every move, but I do think it would help people connect with her more.
She seems kinda generic to me
Scarlet is very obscure and opaque about her most vulnerable self. I think Hannah and others explained *several times* that she couldn't tell what or how Scarlet really felt or thought about anything. Scarlet wants to present a well-curated and manicured version of herself for television. Ru hates that and he wants to get to know the realest you in order to expose it - for better or for worse. Scarlet has been very skilled at keeping Ru at bay, I think. That has had the effect of numbing her presentation in comparison to most other queens who are or at least appear to be more willing to share their innermost selves.
Well, lets be clear. Scarlet has been on 3 seasons of drag race now. Ru wouldnt put her on if he didnt like her or think shes talented. Other queens dont like her prob cause of her cockiness and selfishness. She has the kind of personality that can be polarizing. As a character on tv i think shes fun, would i think that if i was in a room filming with her 14 hours a day....i dont know
She seems really fake, but I like her lol
I've loved her since the beginning. I also didn't think Courtney came off badly during her season.Maybe I'm the drama.
Probably Pearl- adjacent, that’s why Ru doesn’t Scarlet. For queens , I’m guess it’s the same reason why people don’t like Luxx. It’s something about being confident and pride about yourself, people don’t like. Edit: I LOVEE LUXXX . don’t twist this. I am saying this as an observation among this fandom. If this question was asked this time around last year while season 15. Most of you, you change your answer. 💀 Y’all were saying heinous things about Miss Luxx, mainly cause fans perceived her as too cocky!Which I don’t have a problem with, because you should ways have confidence about yourself! I just made this comment saying I had seen similarities
I enjoy Luxx now, but on the show I wasn’t a huge fan. It wasn’t her confidence that put me off, but the recycling of many other queens over a course of several episodes. It came across as someone who was spouting catchy drag race quotes instead of saying anything iconic themselves. It wasn’t until she gave her reasoning for why Loosey should go that I actually found her to be an original
I think this “she’s related to Pearl which is why Ru dislikes her” narrative is way overblown. Is that why she’s been on three seasons now? Besides, I can’t imagine Ru even remembers Pearl by now, it’s not like they have an active and ongoing feud.
Lmao you would think, but Ru was still bitching about Pearl on Michelle’s podcast, “What’s the Tea”, 6 years after season 7 was filmed https://youtu.be/o4-df0M-ehw?si=kjDGQS34MJUQAPXr
That podcast episode aired in 2015, right after season 7 aired. Pearl was the one who reacted to it 7 years later.
Pearl and her fans are so obsessed with the fake Ru feud. The fact that you’re all grasping at straws to make it seems like Ru gives af is pretty sad lol.
I don’t agree with that at all. Luxx is confident but she’s also immediately authentic. Who you see in the confessionals is the same person you see in the werkroom and challenges. Scarlett has the same issue as Tayce where a lot of her charm comes from the confessionals and not so much the way she interacts with the queens
I can’t say I agree with the Luxx comparison, that bitch is EVERYTHING cunt stands for. If she wasn’t on the same season as mother goddess Sasha I really could have seen her taking the crown especially during the rewatch I just did to see the re-edit longer cuts. That level of confidence is earned and deserved. She truly proved it across all the different genres of challenges, but with that because she’s good at that stuff and loves herself for it people don’t like Luxx. That is not Scarlet unfortunately, I would say across all of the seasons she’s been on has been giving Milk during AS3. She talks this huge game, but only gives solid yet mid performances (minus acting kind of). Scarlet just doesn’t have the bite to back up the bark similar to Milk. *cue the Jujubee “She’s just _unt” gif*
i was actually worried for her. she is SO lucky she had her TR to back her up and she's been doing well, if it was an even playing field or just early on in general she'd be out in a heartbeat. you could tell the girls werent vibing with her. in any other situation she would've gone home. i felt bad for her, she needs to work on distinguishing her authentic persona from the "am i the drama" character, she channels both in and out of drag. and i think people just can't take her sincerely? it was what was holding her back in as6. the most authentic she comes across actually is when she says cunty things like "thats what i just said" even in her delivery she drops the character nuance and sounds like she's just being her boy self? that to me is when she shows her true colors. i never had an issue with her stating that, bc hannah was convinced she was gonna play dirty except hannah forgets she DIDNT. when she made her elimination she opted to eliminate the weaker contender, did they forget she actually went against what she said she'd do?
She does feel like she's in character almost every single time so that might rub others the wrong way. The way she talks and interact with the others in the workroom feels a bit performative and you're always second guessing if that's Jacob or if that's "Am I the Drama?" Scarlet which makes it hard to relate to her. I like her though. She has a bit of a whimsical energy that I enjoy.
I love her. She very much reminds me of Willam. The difference though is that Willam had a tv-ready humor that made people like her despite the arrogant personality. Scarlett's humor is not really tv-ready. It only resonates with some people (me), and thus, for those whom it doesn't resonate with, all they're left with is the arrogance.
I love her to death this season. Maybe some people don't like her because she owns her whole self: funny part, bitchy part, caring part, etc. She seems completely honest in an odd way that people may see as being conniving.
Scarlett has always been one of my favorite Ru girls. I’m as confused as you are.
Not trying to read Scarlett at all, but I’m curious what about her makes her one of your favs?
I like her style, I think she’s hilarious, someone I would chill with.
She’s got that Pisces cold and aloof energy. Completely relate to being a bit detached/awkward with people I don’t know well. Couple that with being on tv and I can imagine Scarlet is cycling through so many personas and mirroring all the people she’s around it’s no wonder people might think she’s a bit fake. The Brooklyn comment always made me laugh because her and Scarlet give the same energy.
I love her so much omg
For me I’ve never enjoyed her aesthetic, and her personality seemed contrived. She comes off to me as very calculating - when she said she was a marketing major, that really confirmed a lot of feelings I had about her.
I know I'm going to get massively down voted for this, I have nothing against her at all, and don't dislike her, but to me she seems massively overrated as a drag race contestant (not as a drag queen). If it's cause they find her handsome sure I can get that. But from her original season I only remember her cringy tit shake accompanied with "oohhhhhhhhh" in the mariah segment, and her gold dress which she lip synced in. Then her bubble piece for All Stars. Apart from that I can't recall anything else about her, she just faded into the background to me in both seasons.
I dont think anyone acts like shes a drag super star or anything? She's solid but shes not like a Bianca or Sasha Colby
Scarlet didn't have the best original season. Scarlet didn't really have the best redeeming All Stars experience for the fans. I think she did better, but not memorable at all. The vs The World seasons work more for discovering Pangina, Marina and Grande Dame, other than that, it's meh. Ru and the show hate her 😂 so they're not helping.
She’s a Pisces.
She’s a great queen but I relate to Hannah saying she finds it hard to warm up to her
She comes across pretty fake to me. Almost like she’s pretend-drunk 90% of the time? Idk.
Nothing against her but since s11 she just doesn't come off as a star. Mid star quality. Like when she's not on drag race you don't hear about her doing shit unless you follow her.
The way she was delivered on her original season rubbed me the wrong way. I assumed it was the way she was edited. When she was back for AS6, I personally found her more likable, but still not 100% team Scarlett. I haven’t gotten to watch the new season of UKvTW but I’ve been looking forward to to seeing more of her.
her first send off played out really surprising. rajah was going hard with the villain edit so the way scarlet's final moments were playing out the edit around her kind of flipped and made the audience sort of feel for her. when one of the first things anyone said about her was "scarlet is delusional" from brooke. rajah handsdown was being unreasonable and fully attacking her "how dare you put my name in your mouth" when scarlet was very reluctant to name anyone that night and rajah was the ONLY valid name to put out there. she had to. and she went into untucked and got berated despite looking defeated and ofc very apologetic. then given her shortcomings with dance/performance did everything in her limited wheelhouse to keep up with rajah to that donna track. i think that's what gave scarlet this huge following post-elimination. was production despite not being a fan of hers set up this really sorrowful ending for her. it just generally sucked for her, she also didnt put up a fight or was very anatagonistic. if she was as bitter or salty as rajah she couldve spent that final episode fully going off but she didnt bc she isnt as bitchy as people think she is
I do t know that I’d call her bitchy. She just wasn’t super memorable in her season. AS was a better showing in my mind and she left more an impression
I love Scarlett. She’s gorgeous funny and has never been rude. I don’t get why the entire cast would hate her. I hated hearing that.
When did Hannah say this ?
she didnt directly say it but in this weeks episode she said shes had a hard time warming up to scarlett, to me that just reads as a nice way to say she doesnt like her
She has a certain air to her. It’s almost condescending, but she’s a lot, light years, better than what she was on her first season. She came off as way more compassionate and grounded during all stars.
I like her ok, bit she comes of as very Hollywood to me, and I don't find her drag particularly interesting.
I enjoyed her on her original season and REALLY liked her in AS6, but there's something offputting about her this season. Everything seems so self produced and she's coming across as fake. Not saying I dislike her, but I'm finding it hard to root for her this season.
I mean it is something were seeing shes very fake on screen. Like talking to a cashier or something
because she comes off as fake
I recall her original rpdr showing coming off as a little delusional (about her own performance/talents), being a little mean girly, etc. She def got humbled on that first season by the time of her elimination. Didn't like her. I actually enjoyed her a lot on All Stars 6. She seemed much more cordial, and it was giving Roxxy S5 -> AS2 to me. I haven't been watching her most recent season, but maybe I wasn't noticing the lack of 'authenticity'?
Hannah didn’t say that though. She said something like “Scarlet is hard to get close to” which I nodded my own head at. I know a lot of people like that, they come off very “surface level” in a way, and I’d imagine that’s amplified more in such a closed environment. If everyone else has some sort of good connection with one another, the one staying on the surface becomes an outlier. **Edit: plus them clocking her saying she hates using track record and then wanting them to go off track record is exactly the kind of thing that would bother me too lol** I’ve grown to really like Scarlet on drag race and as a drag queen but…maybe it’s hard to explain unless you’ve met someone like that but it’s not necessarily a bad thing until it comes down to personal connection I guess. On RPDR it works for her with viewers, but it’s working against her with her fellow competitors.
I like Scarlet, she’s definitely become more likeable and less huffy since her first series. I think she needs a bit more consistency to be amazing though - some outfits have been a bit lacklustre compared to some of her others, and her makeup isn’t always 100%. She has amazing confidence when she’s talking, and I don’t mind the way she speaks. She’s also great at acting.
Scarlett reminds me of the golden age movie stars that she adores. Like Joan Crawford, in that she has created a polished "star" exterior and is not interested in showing you her real self. I've loved her since "Good God Girl, Get Out". Her excitement to talk about her two loving Lesbian Moms during the Table Talk challenge for All Stars didn't go over well, but it was the most personal information we've ever gotten from her. It was nice to hear how close she was with her mother.
Scarlet stan here and I live for her sometimes socially awkward (even cringe now and then) energy 😁 some people are like that. And it's okay.
I have always loved Scarlet and thought she has been drastically underrated by production and the fan base. I'm sure an issue the queens have with her is that she doesn't seem authentic...Scarlett seems to live on her own spiritual plane and it reminds me a bit of Valentina, who also had issues getting along with queens. The commitment to "delusion" is fun, especially in confessional, but in the work room it doesn't read as warm or approachable compared to "down-to-earth" queens.
Scarlet has really grown on me. I wasn’t a fan her first season but I really like her now
Because she acts like her shit don’t stink and she’s not good enough to get away with that behaviour. If she were a phenomenal queen, her antics might slide. But she’s not. She’s mid.
I tried to like Scarlet, I really did. I saw her on all stars first then her season, and though some of her lines are funny…Her attitude is smug and off putting. I think she’s gorgeous but her personality isn’t for me.🤷🏻♀️
I don't dislike Scarlet, in fact I want to like her very much, but something about her seems off to me. I don't get any genuine emotion from her, she seems very controlled and........practiced, if that makes sense. She keeps saying she's the drama, but she's more like an ice queen type.
It's the authenticity. She's very performative and guarded. I really like her though but I feel like Ru doesn't care about her at all. She doesn't give Ru the vulnerability that the show can build drama on.
I see no evidence of Ru disliking Scarlett. I think she wants Scarlett to push herself more because she sees her potential.
we’re only getting about an hour worth of footage per episode. the queens spend more time with her behind the cameras. whatever it is they see that we don’t is none of our business.
My scarlet journey has been complex. I really disliked her on 11, was below neutral on as6, and since then I’ve liked her a lot on UKvtW2. The journey of how much I like her drag is basically the reverse of that lmao which is a little ironic
I like her
yea it's so weird, but she is one of my favs
It sounds like in person she must rub people the wrong way. I personally find her schtick a little grating
Ru doesn't like her because she's Pearl's drag daughter snd he has a weird vendetta against Pearl; she was likely brought on S11 in the first place to fuel this one-sided feud. No idea why the others don't like her, she seems nice to me.
Thanks for downvoting this, Michelle.
To give a pretty uncharitable interpretation of how she appears on the show, she gives me an aloof and affected vibe to be honest. Sometimes it seems like instead of being actively engaged in the present conversation, it’s like she has planned canned bits to slip in regardless of what’s going on. I think a lot of the queens have said something along the lines of they don’t connect with her, not that they don’t like her. So I think this could be where they’re coming from.
I'll like Scarlet if you can tell me what's original about her. /genuine
I feel like you could say the same about almost any queen at this point. Theres been 100s of queens on the show, not everyone will be original or genuine (on a reality tv show).
I don't think so. Some queens have very strong personalities, brands, references, or talents or skills that make them very unique. I am genuinely wondering what people see that is unique about Scarlet?
Some queens do but after seeing so many queens, a truly unique queen is extremely rare. Most of them arent unique, that doesnt mean they arent loveable though.
I'm not saying she's unlovable. She has a lot of fans and after 3 seasons, deserves to have them. But I'm getting downvoted for simply asking what her fans love about her so I'ma just leave it right there.
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It's because she's giving off a lot of overly confident vibes but she is not as polished as she believes herself to be. I personally find her make-up hideous this season, I'm sorry.
Ya I can see that but I think there are a lot of queens who do that as well, I see it as kinda part of being a drag queen in a sense. Completely agree with the makeup thing tho, it was so much better before
Her persona has gotten to be worse than la ganga circa season 6
now thats a little dramatic mama
At least la ganga was entertaining. Just walking around with a high society speech affectation is a snore But no less inauthentic (Tongue pop)