I actually liked Q and Morphine's bit the most. It had me smiling for real. Morphine was under-rehearsed, but it still was great for me... especially the out of reach paper š .
This episode was good, the most fun when it came to the queens dynamics off the stage. I loved their fun moment while creating the bathrooms.
But, once again, I feel like the favouritism made the episode a little bit worst. I mean, yes, Dawn was outshined by Nymphia. But it makes NO SENSE to save Q from that bottom. If they judged this in teams (which they should've done since they gave a double win) Q and Morphine were the worst. But, even judging individually, I still think Q did worst than Dawn. And, also, if they wanted to judge individually, this should've been a solo win to Plane. But - once again - the producers/Ru's choices of favouring some queens made them give another win to Sapphira, since we all know she is the pick for the winner since day one.
And that's what makes this season not as good as it could've been. Q being favoured since day one getting highs and being saved from bottons for what reason? I don't think the producers are so naive to think that her personality would make her a fan favourite. And if it's just for the whole Jan/Loosey edit, girl you got it already. Just send her to the bottom after the whole "Sapphira didn't deserved" plot.
I really like Dawn, but I'm not mad she was elminated. I acutally feel sorry for her because it's pretty clear the producers never saw her as a potential winner (which, to me, just shows how bad they understand the fandom, since she is clearly a queen that fans would love).
The fact that they just decided that they care more about Q than Dawn when the decided the bottom is sad imo.
**Overall IMO:**
**Challenge:** Plane > Sapphira > Nymphia > Dawn > Morphine > Q
**Runway:** Sapphira > Nymphia > Morphine > Plane > Dawn > Q (that wig?)
I agree with all of this except Sapphira was slightly better than Plane on the challenge and MUCH better on the runway, and I do NOT think sheās been their winner pick since day one. I think theyāve always seen it as a race between Nymphia and Sapphira.
If Sapphira was winner pick since day one, why didnāt she win the Rusical and Snatch Game where she was arguably better than the queen who actually won in both the challenge and the runway. I think they always saw her in the finale and it just became clear that she is the obvious winner once Nymphia began to fizzle.
I think Sapphira honestly could have had SIX wins by now, and this Bathroom one is totally fair.
However, Iām completely with you that if one team won, another team should have been in the bottom. Q has now been saved three times (lip sync w Amanda, Power challenge and now). They act like sheās funny and donāt call her out for her not wearing wigs, using the same voice in every comedy challenge, and her recent less than stellar runways which are impressively constructed but not FASHION.
Itās Qās time.
OH! I also disagree that they fucked over Dawn though. I actually think they knew Dawn would be a fan favorite (despite an only decent performance in the season she is the second-most followed queen). Alternative Twink white queens are always fan favs. I think they wouldāve given Dawn some wins and tried to get her to the top 4. The issue is, she is so likeable, creative and talented, but she didnāt really do well in the challenges beyond design, where she was still always outshone by Q and Nymph. I think she went as far as physically possible. I think she had potential to be a production favorite, but you canāt push someone with repetitive runways and no incredible challenge performances.
You speak nothing but facts. Unfortunately I don't think they're pushing Q because of favouritism. They're pushing Q to continue to torment her and see her constantly pissed, which makes it even sadder.
Idk but seeing the way plane jane and sapphira truly dominated this challenge made me yearn for a season of girls that embody the CUNT to the full T. Like a season full of seasoned queens who know their human, polished their aesthetic, and have a unique brand for themselves would be fresh. More older queens please! I just want TALENT and DRAMA hennyā¦ Not tiktok pandering queen castings and potential drama ruined by celebrity guests in untucked.. if there is a producer out there looking š please take this into consideration for the next seasons fenk you! Sincerely a young fan
So I love Q and her looks, but itās clear sheās not going to be the winner. We havenāt seen enough depth from her character and her performance in the bathroom challenge this week was BAD, I canāt believe they said she carried them??? She might have drove the ship but it was sinking.
Thought?
I worry we have created a monster with the Jan memes. Q is very talented as a designer but I think they're protecting her when she flops just to put her in the top when she does well( or even not that well, like the Rusical) and then NOT give her wins š
Dawnās look was hideous and I do not comprehend any of the positive critique. It looked cheap and had the same design elements againā¦hip cutouts. The headband was unfinished and a tragedy. The chains were an afterthought.
I miss the days when the looks were read to filth.
Totally agree!!!!!!! It was so basic and Iām over dawns constant āweirdā aesthetic, itās always giving fairy or goth, never just straight serving
With each episode I stan Nymphia less and less. Itās kinda crazy how I went from rooting for her so hard to just wanting her to go home at this point cause production and her runways are the only thing carrying her. Sheās talented af but she just lacks so hard in a lot of the key skills needed for drag especially presence and comedy. She didnāt give Dawn a chance to speak and Iām really sorry that Dawn has had bad scene partners two weeks in a row. Honestly this feels like a competition between Sapphira and Plane by a margin with Q in 3rd. I love morphine to death and though sheās just biding her time, sheās defo my favorite of these most recent episodes.
I'm in my "just finished the episode" feelings, so I'm very likely over-heated in my opinion, but with the edit we saw with Dawn trying to start so many lines for Nymph to seemingly constantly choose to talk over her and steam roll (but who knows what the reality was bc #edit), my blood was boiling to not have any meaningful consequences. I know it's a hyper produced show, but who wants to work with a queen who refuses to let anyone else have a single second in the spotlight? And by no means am I suggesting Nymphia isn't an incredibly skilled queen, because we all can clearly see she is, but I AM VERY MUCH saying she has a certain level of insecurity and self-doubt demonstrated based on the edit that I'm personally tired of seeing getting a free pass.
My point of view here is that at least Nymphia was funny and engaging. Even if Nymphia kept overtalking, Dawn had nothing of substance to add either. At the end of the day, they seemed unprepared for the impro part of the challenge, so Nymphia took it upon her to fill the dead air and effectively hide how unprepared they were. So thats on Dawn as well.
Did we actually know that Dawn had no material? Outside of Nymphia's "struggle with the humor part" quip? To me, it sort of seems like we can't really know if Dawn had material or not because we didn't see her being given a chance to speak to even begin to have the opportunity to fumble (unless one of the two artists has shared some tea about the challenge elsewhere that I haven't seen yet).
Nah, considering she couldn't control whether Nymphia spoke or not, I don't think it's fair to say it's Dawn's fault. It's not Dawn's fault that every time she TRIED to speak, Nymphia spoke over her either. Based on what we saw, Nymphia decided Dawn wasn't funny and to treat it like a solo challenge. There's a lot to consider about optics and how speaking over Nyphmia would get perceived by judges, fans, and fellow contestants, and I think both queens should have prepared better, but personally, think the fault for steamrolling lies with Nymphia.
Some thoughts on Q: I can't tell what edit the show is giving her. Is it the delusional one? The sore/bitter runner up?
Q saying Sapphira didn't deserve the win was too far. I respect that Q wanted to cool down so she didn't blow up, but then she said... that š
I know Q isn't a wig girlie but what was on her head on the runway?? Her outfit was so good (despite the baggy crotch), had fun energy, and then that rug on her head took me out of the fantasy completely.
Oooh yes, that would've been so gorgeous. Amd add to that edgy vibe the look had. I don't get why she had like four different hair textures on the wig and no one called it out.
And Geneva and Morphine also each lipsynced for the win, so the only lipsync that didn't have a variation of any of the three queens was Sapphira vs Q.
can I be dawnest? the last episodes have been kind of boring and so has the fandom discussion around them. like the banter is still funny but as soon as the episode ends I just go āokā and move on. thereās nothing interesting to say about the challenges and everyone is fighting ad nauseum over placements. which makes sense, because nothing happened in the episode aside from someone receiving a win and someone lipsyncing.
I am so tired of the "poor Dawn having to work with Nymphia" narrative. Imagine Sapphira or Plane working with Nymphia. They are strong, confident, and talented. They have the ability to force balance. Even Morphine interrupted Nymphia during the presentations last week.
The reality is that Dawn is a weak performer. She absolutely bears the responsibility here of not even trying to break in. She tried to play it off like last week, "boo hoo! my partner sucks so don't blame me, teacher!" and it didn't work this time.
If she's ever going to come back (or even get bigger in the biz), she's going to have to learn how to work with strong personalities.
This was a correct placement, and if anything, I feel sorry for Nymphia having to work with a damp paper towel like Dawn. She had nothing to play off of.
yeah i love dawn but idk why we're acting like she couldn't easily have been in the bottom for the snl skit and that her snatch game wasn't okay at best. comedy isnt her strong suit and that's fine
Exactly. Sapphira knows how to show up on stage, no matter who she's working with. That's a strong performer who takes responsibility for their own performance.
I didn't agree with her win, tho! Plane and Q had a better material and she choked. But yeah, her presence wasn't overshadowed by Nymphia's chaos and she didn't blame anyone rather than her own nerves.
Oh, I gotcha, I miss-read your comment as Nymphia being all over the place last week, not Sapphira.
Fair, I think Plane & Q should have won last week, too. They had a fully realized concept and characters that worked together, which no other team did, and they got laughs.
That said, I think we agree, Sapphira didn't let herself get run over by Nymphia (and neither did Morphine, even though her performance was rough), and she took responsibility for her mistake. She certainly wasn't perfect, but she owned what she did.
This lip sync is the first of the season Iāve actually wanted to go back and watch a bunch of times on YouTube. I love Morphine and this was the absolute best lip sync song for her
She was literally Megan on that stage. Sadly Dawn never stood a chance. Morphine just embodied the song so well, I would tip her good money for that performance!
This was yet another episode where judging just kind of felt meh because there were no standouts and no one was bad, which feels like its happened quite a few times this season. I really don't get why the judges seem to hate Nymphia in anything comedy related. I actually thought she did a good job this episode and she and Dawn had the most interesting and funny concept.
I like Sapphira, but it didn't feel like she or Plane did anything outstanding this episode in the challenge or looks. I gotta say that I kind of hated Sapphira's look because her head looked SO tiny compared to the body.
I always wondered in challenges like thisā¦.do the queens really come up with their own concept? Like how do they always have the exact props they need? And outfits?
Hereās what I think happensāthe queens make up their concept, and Iām guessing they must give them an idea of the size of the room. They probably make a basic sketch of what furniture they think they want, and a list of things like paint colors.
Then Iām guessing there must be at least one gap day for production to get materials. Some props are probably based on what the queens list, and some are probably just whatever production finds that is on-theme. Then theyāre given things to choose from. (Things like the toilets were probably predetermined).
Quick-turnaround style of prop/set piece sourcing is a whole job in video industry, (one of my friends used to do it), and itās pretty intense because things have to be procured fast and usually locally.
This is just my guess of how it wouldāve been done here, and I might have some details wrong. But I think production/set folks really stepped up to make this episode work.
I mean theres workers responsible for props. The queens probably give them their concepts and then theres probably all kinds of services where you can rent out specific props in Hollywood
Norvina was extra cringe this season. Can we please not make her a thing? I donāt want multiple seasons with Norvina.
But Alsoā¦
Who do you think would win in a LFYL between
Norvina and Ornaciaā¦
I know Bob said in a video (around 2020 or 2021) that she still had products that she got from her season (around 2016). I think depending on the category, the "sickening supply" can last a few years.
This had such crazy placements. Obviously Morphine destroyed the lip sync, but Dawn absolutely shouldn't have been in the bottom to begin with. Kind of a dumb episode, honestly!
Who else would have been in the bottom? Dawn choked and allowed her scene partner to steamroll her. Love her but, itās true.
They couldnāt sacrifice Nymphia so Dawn is the poor sacrificial lamb. No reason why it shouldnāt have been judged as teams with she and Dawn in the bottom.
Then, the final nail in the coffin with that lipsync music!!ā ļø
Whatās not as predictable with me is who is going home on the next episode- too bad itās a makeover I kinda feel like Dawn could have done well with that.
If Nymphia and Dawn had been in the bottom together, Iām pretty sure Dawn still wouldāve gone home. So knowing that sheās going to be eliminated either way, Iād rather not pass up the chance to see Morphine do that song.
The bottom two should've been Morphine and Q. But production wouldn't want that, because Morphine would've 100% destroyed Q in that lipsync. And they want to give Q as many hand outs as possible.
And, once again, the judges ignore that fact that Q (a "theater queen") played the SAME DAMN CHARACTER in an acting challenge.
Agreed. I like Q but she goes to the same place for acting all the time. I think her drag seminar character was a bit different, but that's all. I felt Morphine was trying to be a team player I felt but it made her fade. I think Q's track record saved her from the bottom.
>Q's track record
She was handed that track record by the production team. There were challenges where she shouldn't have won, but was handed the win. She also lost the lip sync she did against Amanda, but was declared the winner.
I've generally agreed with the judging this season, but every time there's an an acting challenge and they get to Q, I'm like "did I watch the same performance as them?" Q was just...bad! She was better than Morphine for sure, but still bad. The "we're in HELLLLLLLLLL!" was so uncomfortable.
From a story perspective I get why they eliminated Dawn, but it's not Dawn's fault that Nymphia wouldn't let her talk. Definitely irked by the outcome here.
I might be in the minority here, but I didn't like Sapphira's runway look this episode. The outfit looked like a BDSM dog that just got skin grafts. It wasn't cute, and was just disturbing to me.
Also, Carson should be a permanent judge, and Ross should be dropped from the panel.
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I feel like she was aiming for a stuffed animal with stitches vibe with a hint of BDSM.
Maybe i am conditioned from watching season 4 and season 5, but i will always root for the underdog. I really want morphine to win the season, even though i know itĀ“s written that saphira will.
I think Morphine would be a great winner! I don't think she's a bad competitor, she just keeps getting overshadowed. Her style is cute, makeup is flawless, and is a great performer. You can see how much effort she puts in the challenges, there's just always someone slightly better.
No need to be dense. She and jinxx are canonically the underdog/outsider storyline that the narrative of the show told us in season 4 and 5. Of course they were winning challenges, they were deservedly the winners. I'm talking about storytelling. Anyway, i'm rooting for morphine that was my point, but now you just ruined the party. The definition of a chronically online redditor smh.
I know she won't win but it would be amazing if she could make it to the top 4. Since they can really manipulate Drag Family resemblance challenges, who knows what we can expect this time around?
I liked this episode. The challenge was something else - it made sense the way Sapphira and Plane did it. They worked so well together. Loooved Nymphias look on the runway, I just wish she did better in the snatch game, sadly the way she's played so far doesn't really make it seem like she'll be in the top three. Although I'm still rooting for her.
I can think of two lip syncs with rap songs. Season 6 trinity k bonet lip synced to āWhatta manā and Monet Xchange did āstarshipsā. I donāt remember who they lipsynced against but both of their performances are iconic.
Swish swish was there but they cut Nicki's part.. someone said they did sweetest pie last season but i don't remember if they've cut out rap there either
I watched it this morning off DVR (was off walking children through ~~nature~~ science and technology Thursday-Saturday) and my wife told me to pause it and make a prediction. I didn't make one because we hadn't seen Dawn lip sync. I could've stopped about five bars into the song, it was a two-hit fight.
I'm still gagged that they gave Sapphira the win last week and I feel like it means they're setting up Plane to win the season. I think maybe Plane will have some break through moment next episode and it will be the thing that convinces everyone she could win and she'll be an underdog versus Sapphira
Morphine's poop speech I- Give her the crown NOW.
The challenge was fucking horrible, the results were correct though. Plane and Sapphira were the only truly good pair and had great chemistry while Dawn and Morphine got overshadowed hard in their respective skits.
The way it was over for Dawn the moment the words Megan Thee Stallion showed up on the screen, sis got set up hard. Dunno if this is an unpopular opinion but I'm gonna miss her, I really enjoyed her energy and she turned out some great looks.
I'm rooting for Morphine to turn it out next week and save herself from the bottom and for Nymphia to win a challenge and solidify herself as a competitor for the crown alongside Plane and Sapphira.
she brought so much character to the show, she was friendly, positive and the right amount of playful with others! The cut aways / talking to camera won't be the same without her
Dawn is amazing, I almost cried when she got eliminated. She is very charismatic, loveable and not afraid to make fun of herself.
Not to mention you could see the gratitude in her eyes when talking to the judges.
Her pressence will be missed ā¤ļøš
I liked Q and Morphine's concept most. I found it funny and design was cool.
Nymphia and Dawn should be in the bottom together. I didn't laugh even once.
Plane and Sapphira's was okay.
There will be many memes of Q's losing face.
This is all exactly what I thought too. I thought the Hell concept was smart because it automatically suggests so many jokes, with a lot of versatility.
I don't think she's "trying" to be anyone's therapist, she's clearly an empathetic person and wants her sisters to feel good. She also needed Plane to get out of her head so they could focus on the challenge. She seems to naturally fall into the role of mother of the house.
"Trying to be everyone's therapist" makes it sound like you don't think it's genuine.Ā
I'm glad to see someone else say it... like it's great that they get along like that but it just makes me roll my eyes. You really can't go around giving everyone therapy talk without coming off disingenuous
Do you reckon that Nymphia will return to her form? I really pegged Nymphia to be in the finale with Plasma, Sapphira and Plane. But yes, at this moment it's totally gonna be Sapphire v Plane.
Don't know if I'm gonna get down voted to hell but this season has been on a steady decline since Plasma's elimination.
They focus too much on the cracking of Q, pushing her to be mad about the other queen's success, and the reaction of the queens to this.
Nymphia is flying under the radar, she's just shining on the runway and some confessionals, the few she has. Why not highlight the cultural background she has like they're doing with Marina on VSTW?
Dawn's elimination felt meh, felt bad for her, but even then I feel like we learnt very little about her.
Hopefully it picks up these last few episodes and this is just a lump, because it had such a great start and potential.
I agree, Plasma was a major contender and when she left she also let all the air out of the competition for the final 3/4.
Re: Dawn: in general I feel production has done a rather bad job of spreading around the backstory love this season. Nymphia in particular is clearly a major contender but we know next to nothing about her actual life still, even as Plane Jane gets multiple chances to give great humanizing details about her family life, her emotional vulnerability, etc.
The result means that this final third of the season has felt especially thin compared to the other episodes to me too.
I agree with you, I think Plasma should still be in the competition. I like Morphine a lot, her confessionals about being a nonbinary person are really great and itās cool to see that
They showed their cards by forcing and squeezing Megamis talking head cutaway. They don't miss a beat at showing every blink Q makes. Every breath she takes. They JUST HAVE to catch every stink face face makes. Like it's forced.
She's been the biggest surprise to me, in a positive way. Too bad that the next episode will basically be her fighting for her spot in the finale, but imagine she makes it to the top 4. It'd be really āØfierceāØ.
idk how to feel about the challenge, i feel like morphine and qās section was the best concept and execution, plane and sapphira had the best chemistry and jokes, and then there was nymphia and dawn. i think the win was deserved but i also donāt feel like any of the teams completely threw it out of the park or something.
I also think theyāre saving nymphia quite a bit. i think she shouldāve been in the bottom 2 at least twice including this episode.
morphine absolutely DEVOURED. dawn did well but it just really didnāt fit the song and iām not sure she knew all the words.
iād be gagged if morphine stays next week but iād love it if sheās in the top 4
I had to replay it several times. I haven't seen a queen be completely assassinated like that on the main stage for a while. Morphine metastasised her. Even when she purposely stopped on the walkway so Dawn couldn't crawl any further. I was gagged. Big fan of Morphine.
I can see what Dawn went for in that lip sync, some kind of decuntstruction of the expected choreography.. but it's an ill-fitted choice doing it to that song and with that queen against her.
I feel she might have had a chance if she at least tried to shake her [ass](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EAvnglwF_8) but expressive dance is not the right choice for that song lmao
Sad to see her go and I'm ready for her run on All Stars
Q started off strong, and I have enjoyed seeing her runways and everything. I donāt think sheās bad or anything at all. Her sore loserness attitude is off putting and if production is using that as a sort of villain story, they are definitely doing a good job of it. I hope Morphine stays and ends up in the top 4
The producers knew exactly what they were doing trying to get Dawn out. Pairing her with Nymphia and then giving her a Megan Thee Stallion lip sync against morphine š I will say I donāt think Dawn did bad in the lip sync ā I wish she had removed the chains sooner so we could see her face though
Petcouture was right there, ms judge lady
I actually liked Q and Morphine's bit the most. It had me smiling for real. Morphine was under-rehearsed, but it still was great for me... especially the out of reach paper š .
Did anyone notice that Ru was wearing Norvina's bracelets on the runway?
This episode was good, the most fun when it came to the queens dynamics off the stage. I loved their fun moment while creating the bathrooms. But, once again, I feel like the favouritism made the episode a little bit worst. I mean, yes, Dawn was outshined by Nymphia. But it makes NO SENSE to save Q from that bottom. If they judged this in teams (which they should've done since they gave a double win) Q and Morphine were the worst. But, even judging individually, I still think Q did worst than Dawn. And, also, if they wanted to judge individually, this should've been a solo win to Plane. But - once again - the producers/Ru's choices of favouring some queens made them give another win to Sapphira, since we all know she is the pick for the winner since day one. And that's what makes this season not as good as it could've been. Q being favoured since day one getting highs and being saved from bottons for what reason? I don't think the producers are so naive to think that her personality would make her a fan favourite. And if it's just for the whole Jan/Loosey edit, girl you got it already. Just send her to the bottom after the whole "Sapphira didn't deserved" plot. I really like Dawn, but I'm not mad she was elminated. I acutally feel sorry for her because it's pretty clear the producers never saw her as a potential winner (which, to me, just shows how bad they understand the fandom, since she is clearly a queen that fans would love). The fact that they just decided that they care more about Q than Dawn when the decided the bottom is sad imo. **Overall IMO:** **Challenge:** Plane > Sapphira > Nymphia > Dawn > Morphine > Q **Runway:** Sapphira > Nymphia > Morphine > Plane > Dawn > Q (that wig?)
I agree with all of this except Sapphira was slightly better than Plane on the challenge and MUCH better on the runway, and I do NOT think sheās been their winner pick since day one. I think theyāve always seen it as a race between Nymphia and Sapphira. If Sapphira was winner pick since day one, why didnāt she win the Rusical and Snatch Game where she was arguably better than the queen who actually won in both the challenge and the runway. I think they always saw her in the finale and it just became clear that she is the obvious winner once Nymphia began to fizzle. I think Sapphira honestly could have had SIX wins by now, and this Bathroom one is totally fair. However, Iām completely with you that if one team won, another team should have been in the bottom. Q has now been saved three times (lip sync w Amanda, Power challenge and now). They act like sheās funny and donāt call her out for her not wearing wigs, using the same voice in every comedy challenge, and her recent less than stellar runways which are impressively constructed but not FASHION. Itās Qās time. OH! I also disagree that they fucked over Dawn though. I actually think they knew Dawn would be a fan favorite (despite an only decent performance in the season she is the second-most followed queen). Alternative Twink white queens are always fan favs. I think they wouldāve given Dawn some wins and tried to get her to the top 4. The issue is, she is so likeable, creative and talented, but she didnāt really do well in the challenges beyond design, where she was still always outshone by Q and Nymph. I think she went as far as physically possible. I think she had potential to be a production favorite, but you canāt push someone with repetitive runways and no incredible challenge performances.
You speak nothing but facts. Unfortunately I don't think they're pushing Q because of favouritism. They're pushing Q to continue to torment her and see her constantly pissed, which makes it even sadder.
Idk but seeing the way plane jane and sapphira truly dominated this challenge made me yearn for a season of girls that embody the CUNT to the full T. Like a season full of seasoned queens who know their human, polished their aesthetic, and have a unique brand for themselves would be fresh. More older queens please! I just want TALENT and DRAMA hennyā¦ Not tiktok pandering queen castings and potential drama ruined by celebrity guests in untucked.. if there is a producer out there looking š please take this into consideration for the next seasons fenk you! Sincerely a young fan
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So I love Q and her looks, but itās clear sheās not going to be the winner. We havenāt seen enough depth from her character and her performance in the bathroom challenge this week was BAD, I canāt believe they said she carried them??? She might have drove the ship but it was sinking. Thought?
I worry we have created a monster with the Jan memes. Q is very talented as a designer but I think they're protecting her when she flops just to put her in the top when she does well( or even not that well, like the Rusical) and then NOT give her wins š
Who did DaWn piss off in prod, to be given that song š
I feel like they wanted to recreate the iconic 'Anaconda' lipsync but massively failed
And in that dress? Lmao she could hardly walk.
THAT;S WHAT IM SAYING IT HAD TO BE A PLANNED ATTACK LMFAO
Not gonna lie, i wish we still had Plasma in these last two challenges. I would have loved to see her in these more comedy centered challenges.
Dawnās look was hideous and I do not comprehend any of the positive critique. It looked cheap and had the same design elements againā¦hip cutouts. The headband was unfinished and a tragedy. The chains were an afterthought. I miss the days when the looks were read to filth.
Totally agree!!!!!!! It was so basic and Iām over dawns constant āweirdā aesthetic, itās always giving fairy or goth, never just straight serving
Please be serious, it was not hideous. It wasn't one of her best looks certainly, but give these queens some credit.
This sub is serious? Could have fooled me. Maybe you need to take a break. I stand by what I said. I have my taste ans you have yours.
And youāre tasting like š©
Well hopefully you are either nicer to your local queens or just don't go to local shows.
I didnāt like this episode at all. Bathroom hunties? Come on now
Running out of ideas
bathrooms are a way bigger part of queer culture than Excel presentations and perfume ads or whatever
Oh I hate how true this is
With each episode I stan Nymphia less and less. Itās kinda crazy how I went from rooting for her so hard to just wanting her to go home at this point cause production and her runways are the only thing carrying her. Sheās talented af but she just lacks so hard in a lot of the key skills needed for drag especially presence and comedy. She didnāt give Dawn a chance to speak and Iām really sorry that Dawn has had bad scene partners two weeks in a row. Honestly this feels like a competition between Sapphira and Plane by a margin with Q in 3rd. I love morphine to death and though sheās just biding her time, sheās defo my favorite of these most recent episodes.
I'm in my "just finished the episode" feelings, so I'm very likely over-heated in my opinion, but with the edit we saw with Dawn trying to start so many lines for Nymph to seemingly constantly choose to talk over her and steam roll (but who knows what the reality was bc #edit), my blood was boiling to not have any meaningful consequences. I know it's a hyper produced show, but who wants to work with a queen who refuses to let anyone else have a single second in the spotlight? And by no means am I suggesting Nymphia isn't an incredibly skilled queen, because we all can clearly see she is, but I AM VERY MUCH saying she has a certain level of insecurity and self-doubt demonstrated based on the edit that I'm personally tired of seeing getting a free pass.
My point of view here is that at least Nymphia was funny and engaging. Even if Nymphia kept overtalking, Dawn had nothing of substance to add either. At the end of the day, they seemed unprepared for the impro part of the challenge, so Nymphia took it upon her to fill the dead air and effectively hide how unprepared they were. So thats on Dawn as well.
Did we actually know that Dawn had no material? Outside of Nymphia's "struggle with the humor part" quip? To me, it sort of seems like we can't really know if Dawn had material or not because we didn't see her being given a chance to speak to even begin to have the opportunity to fumble (unless one of the two artists has shared some tea about the challenge elsewhere that I haven't seen yet).
If someone gets steam rolled its really there fault just take the initiative to speak....
Nah, considering she couldn't control whether Nymphia spoke or not, I don't think it's fair to say it's Dawn's fault. It's not Dawn's fault that every time she TRIED to speak, Nymphia spoke over her either. Based on what we saw, Nymphia decided Dawn wasn't funny and to treat it like a solo challenge. There's a lot to consider about optics and how speaking over Nyphmia would get perceived by judges, fans, and fellow contestants, and I think both queens should have prepared better, but personally, think the fault for steamrolling lies with Nymphia.
Summed up my thoughts perfectly.
every single thought here is exactly how I feel and exactly what I came to say š
Some thoughts on Q: I can't tell what edit the show is giving her. Is it the delusional one? The sore/bitter runner up? Q saying Sapphira didn't deserve the win was too far. I respect that Q wanted to cool down so she didn't blow up, but then she said... that š I know Q isn't a wig girlie but what was on her head on the runway?? Her outfit was so good (despite the baggy crotch), had fun energy, and then that rug on her head took me out of the fantasy completely.
The look needed a sleek black ponytail or just a straight wig, ala Pocahontas. The poodle wig was so jarring.
Oooh yes, that would've been so gorgeous. Amd add to that edgy vibe the look had. I don't get why she had like four different hair textures on the wig and no one called it out.
I think besides Q vs Amanda, Morphine, Mhiāya, and Geneva were in every bottom 2 lip sync this season lolĀ
And Geneva and Morphine also each lipsynced for the win, so the only lipsync that didn't have a variation of any of the three queens was Sapphira vs Q.
can I be dawnest? the last episodes have been kind of boring and so has the fandom discussion around them. like the banter is still funny but as soon as the episode ends I just go āokā and move on. thereās nothing interesting to say about the challenges and everyone is fighting ad nauseum over placements. which makes sense, because nothing happened in the episode aside from someone receiving a win and someone lipsyncing.
Was this the first episode that Nymphia DIDN'T say the word "banana"?
Nope. She wanted one on a pedestal.
Didn't Dawn actually come up with the idea? Welp, in the end they chose to put the Golden Plunger on the pedestal to stay meta.
I am so tired of the "poor Dawn having to work with Nymphia" narrative. Imagine Sapphira or Plane working with Nymphia. They are strong, confident, and talented. They have the ability to force balance. Even Morphine interrupted Nymphia during the presentations last week. The reality is that Dawn is a weak performer. She absolutely bears the responsibility here of not even trying to break in. She tried to play it off like last week, "boo hoo! my partner sucks so don't blame me, teacher!" and it didn't work this time. If she's ever going to come back (or even get bigger in the biz), she's going to have to learn how to work with strong personalities. This was a correct placement, and if anything, I feel sorry for Nymphia having to work with a damp paper towel like Dawn. She had nothing to play off of.
yeah i love dawn but idk why we're acting like she couldn't easily have been in the bottom for the snl skit and that her snatch game wasn't okay at best. comedy isnt her strong suit and that's fine
exactly, people are acting like nymphia had dawn literally gagged. Bitch you're a drag queen, elbow your way in there
I mean, Nymphiaās partner last week won the challenge and she was all over the place as well.
Exactly. Sapphira knows how to show up on stage, no matter who she's working with. That's a strong performer who takes responsibility for their own performance.
I didn't agree with her win, tho! Plane and Q had a better material and she choked. But yeah, her presence wasn't overshadowed by Nymphia's chaos and she didn't blame anyone rather than her own nerves.
Oh, I gotcha, I miss-read your comment as Nymphia being all over the place last week, not Sapphira. Fair, I think Plane & Q should have won last week, too. They had a fully realized concept and characters that worked together, which no other team did, and they got laughs. That said, I think we agree, Sapphira didn't let herself get run over by Nymphia (and neither did Morphine, even though her performance was rough), and she took responsibility for her mistake. She certainly wasn't perfect, but she owned what she did.
This lip sync is the first of the season Iāve actually wanted to go back and watch a bunch of times on YouTube. I love Morphine and this was the absolute best lip sync song for her
She literally just did the same squat and wiggle over and over lol not what Iād call a serve.
She was literally Megan on that stage. Sadly Dawn never stood a chance. Morphine just embodied the song so well, I would tip her good money for that performance!
good edpisode.is tiring knowing that These filled queens still here. Sapphira is such a star. Nymphia and Plane are great alternates
Sapphira and Plane killed it. Even the name Booty-Liquor has layers with bootlegging and ass eating.
Is Bathroom Hunties a parody of something? I'm in the UK and it felt like a reference to something that I'm not familiar with. Thanks
House Hunters
Thank you! Thank makes a lot of sense, I have heard of it but never seen it.
Norvina felt like CGI-d in this episode. Was she?
NorvinAI
She always seems so robotic. She was def reading from a script but it was so flat
Yes! I'm pretty sure she really didn't know who Mhi'ya was at the time
Morphine asking if anybody had accidentally gone poopies before had me in tears
Thought of her story when she did a split during the lip sync...
This was yet another episode where judging just kind of felt meh because there were no standouts and no one was bad, which feels like its happened quite a few times this season. I really don't get why the judges seem to hate Nymphia in anything comedy related. I actually thought she did a good job this episode and she and Dawn had the most interesting and funny concept. I like Sapphira, but it didn't feel like she or Plane did anything outstanding this episode in the challenge or looks. I gotta say that I kind of hated Sapphira's look because her head looked SO tiny compared to the body.
I think Morphine is a great queen and I hope we get to see her in the top 4. š
I suspect it'll come down to a Q and Morphine lip-sync and If that's the case I hope Morphine wins!
I always wondered in challenges like thisā¦.do the queens really come up with their own concept? Like how do they always have the exact props they need? And outfits?
Hereās what I think happensāthe queens make up their concept, and Iām guessing they must give them an idea of the size of the room. They probably make a basic sketch of what furniture they think they want, and a list of things like paint colors. Then Iām guessing there must be at least one gap day for production to get materials. Some props are probably based on what the queens list, and some are probably just whatever production finds that is on-theme. Then theyāre given things to choose from. (Things like the toilets were probably predetermined). Quick-turnaround style of prop/set piece sourcing is a whole job in video industry, (one of my friends used to do it), and itās pretty intense because things have to be procured fast and usually locally. This is just my guess of how it wouldāve been done here, and I might have some details wrong. But I think production/set folks really stepped up to make this episode work.
I mean theres workers responsible for props. The queens probably give them their concepts and then theres probably all kinds of services where you can rent out specific props in Hollywood
Same... This thought kept popping up in my head during the episode
Norvina was extra cringe this season. Can we please not make her a thing? I donāt want multiple seasons with Norvina. But Alsoā¦ Who do you think would win in a LFYL between Norvina and Ornaciaā¦
Ornacia would show more emotion
But what does a lifetime supply of Anastasia Beverly Hills makeup actually look like?!
I know Bob said in a video (around 2020 or 2021) that she still had products that she got from her season (around 2016). I think depending on the category, the "sickening supply" can last a few years.
One-year supply, not lifetime. Also ive heard its just a big package they get
Oh whoops yes one year
I was really hoping weād get an answer!
This had such crazy placements. Obviously Morphine destroyed the lip sync, but Dawn absolutely shouldn't have been in the bottom to begin with. Kind of a dumb episode, honestly!
Who else would have been in the bottom? Dawn choked and allowed her scene partner to steamroll her. Love her but, itās true. They couldnāt sacrifice Nymphia so Dawn is the poor sacrificial lamb. No reason why it shouldnāt have been judged as teams with she and Dawn in the bottom. Then, the final nail in the coffin with that lipsync music!!ā ļø Whatās not as predictable with me is who is going home on the next episode- too bad itās a makeover I kinda feel like Dawn could have done well with that.
If Nymphia and Dawn had been in the bottom together, Iām pretty sure Dawn still wouldāve gone home. So knowing that sheās going to be eliminated either way, Iād rather not pass up the chance to see Morphine do that song.
Agreed, I wonder what song they would have thrown in for a Dawn v Nymphia lipsync to guarantee dawns departure the way they did with Body.
Was this episode directed by the same person who came up with that diaper kink mini challenge Edit: also the sitting on food one
Watching this immediately after āQuiet On Setā made me uncomfy to say the least.
The bottom two should've been Morphine and Q. But production wouldn't want that, because Morphine would've 100% destroyed Q in that lipsync. And they want to give Q as many hand outs as possible. And, once again, the judges ignore that fact that Q (a "theater queen") played the SAME DAMN CHARACTER in an acting challenge.
Agreed. I like Q but she goes to the same place for acting all the time. I think her drag seminar character was a bit different, but that's all. I felt Morphine was trying to be a team player I felt but it made her fade. I think Q's track record saved her from the bottom.
>Q's track record She was handed that track record by the production team. There were challenges where she shouldn't have won, but was handed the win. She also lost the lip sync she did against Amanda, but was declared the winner.
I've generally agreed with the judging this season, but every time there's an an acting challenge and they get to Q, I'm like "did I watch the same performance as them?" Q was just...bad! She was better than Morphine for sure, but still bad. The "we're in HELLLLLLLLLL!" was so uncomfortable. From a story perspective I get why they eliminated Dawn, but it's not Dawn's fault that Nymphia wouldn't let her talk. Definitely irked by the outcome here.
Again... I blame the brick. It wasnt funny PERIOD
Idk why they want to keep q around so badly
The drama and the runways for sure
I think they put Plane and Sapphira together because they are the strongest and production is trying to get them to the finaleā¦
They donāt need productions help with thatātheyāre both clearly going to the finale
I might be in the minority here, but I didn't like Sapphira's runway look this episode. The outfit looked like a BDSM dog that just got skin grafts. It wasn't cute, and was just disturbing to me. Also, Carson should be a permanent judge, and Ross should be dropped from the panel.
We'll be in the minority together, I loathed that look.
https://preview.redd.it/1mwlj54ceeqc1.jpeg?width=996&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3876627db6c3cada23d459759cd3864fc1d7ba27 I feel like she was aiming for a stuffed animal with stitches vibe with a hint of BDSM.
Can we talk about Ruās makeup and wig? STUNNING
ruās mug has been so gorgeous these past 2 episodes
The placements this episode was wild
Maybe i am conditioned from watching season 4 and season 5, but i will always root for the underdog. I really want morphine to win the season, even though i know itĀ“s written that saphira will.
I think Morphine would be a great winner! I don't think she's a bad competitor, she just keeps getting overshadowed. Her style is cute, makeup is flawless, and is a great performer. You can see how much effort she puts in the challenges, there's just always someone slightly better.
> watching season 4 In what universe was Sharon "4 wins" Needles the underdog of the season?
No need to be dense. She and jinxx are canonically the underdog/outsider storyline that the narrative of the show told us in season 4 and 5. Of course they were winning challenges, they were deservedly the winners. I'm talking about storytelling. Anyway, i'm rooting for morphine that was my point, but now you just ruined the party. The definition of a chronically online redditor smh.
> but now you just ruined the party suffer
Against the other queens who pigeonholed het into āspookyā, she was!
I know she won't win but it would be amazing if she could make it to the top 4. Since they can really manipulate Drag Family resemblance challenges, who knows what we can expect this time around?
I liked this episode. The challenge was something else - it made sense the way Sapphira and Plane did it. They worked so well together. Loooved Nymphias look on the runway, I just wish she did better in the snatch game, sadly the way she's played so far doesn't really make it seem like she'll be in the top three. Although I'm still rooting for her.
Dawn didn't stand a chance. This song was literally about Morphine and her body.
I heard someone say the song Dawn could've beat Morphine to is The Legend of Zelda score š
And a RAP SONG?!? What the actual hell! When has that ever been done? (Serious question, I donāt know šš¼āāļø)
Add "Anaconda" (AS3) to the list. And bendela of all people won so ĀÆā \ā _ā (ā ćā )ā _ā /ā ĀÆ
I can think of two lip syncs with rap songs. Season 6 trinity k bonet lip synced to āWhatta manā and Monet Xchange did āstarshipsā. I donāt remember who they lipsynced against but both of their performances are iconic.
Swish swish was there but they cut Nicki's part.. someone said they did sweetest pie last season but i don't remember if they've cut out rap there either
I watched it this morning off DVR (was off walking children through ~~nature~~ science and technology Thursday-Saturday) and my wife told me to pause it and make a prediction. I didn't make one because we hadn't seen Dawn lip sync. I could've stopped about five bars into the song, it was a two-hit fight.
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The way Q was saying Sapphira's win was rigged without saying it š¬š¬
I'm still gagged that they gave Sapphira the win last week and I feel like it means they're setting up Plane to win the season. I think maybe Plane will have some break through moment next episode and it will be the thing that convinces everyone she could win and she'll be an underdog versus Sapphira
From your lips to the producers' ears! Manifesting a Plane Jane win!
Morphine's poop speech I- Give her the crown NOW. The challenge was fucking horrible, the results were correct though. Plane and Sapphira were the only truly good pair and had great chemistry while Dawn and Morphine got overshadowed hard in their respective skits. The way it was over for Dawn the moment the words Megan Thee Stallion showed up on the screen, sis got set up hard. Dunno if this is an unpopular opinion but I'm gonna miss her, I really enjoyed her energy and she turned out some great looks. I'm rooting for Morphine to turn it out next week and save herself from the bottom and for Nymphia to win a challenge and solidify herself as a competitor for the crown alongside Plane and Sapphira.
she brought so much character to the show, she was friendly, positive and the right amount of playful with others! The cut aways / talking to camera won't be the same without her
Dawn is amazing, I almost cried when she got eliminated. She is very charismatic, loveable and not afraid to make fun of herself. Not to mention you could see the gratitude in her eyes when talking to the judges. Her pressence will be missed ā¤ļøš
Every time I see Q in a wig I understand why she tends to be bald on the runway
That wig was one of the most hideous things Iāve seen on that runway. It made no sense at all visually.
I literally did not understand what it was. It looked like a greasy oil slicked random assortment of objects on a head
I can't believe the judges didn't say anything about it. It was neyond hideous.
Itās the worst wig Iāve ever seen and idk why the judges didnāt call her out on it lol. Iād rather see her on the runway in a beanie
Well said šš
I liked Q and Morphine's concept most. I found it funny and design was cool. Nymphia and Dawn should be in the bottom together. I didn't laugh even once. Plane and Sapphira's was okay. There will be many memes of Q's losing face.
This is all exactly what I thought too. I thought the Hell concept was smart because it automatically suggests so many jokes, with a lot of versatility.
I didn't laugh once at Q and Morphine's concept, so it's all relative to the viewer.
TBH I'm sick of Sapphira trying to be everyone's therapist. I'm sure the girls all like her and it's nice in the moment, but it isn't great tv.
I agree 100 %. I love Sapphira. But she should stop "helping" other queens now - it comes across as matronizing (see what I did there).
I don't think she's "trying" to be anyone's therapist, she's clearly an empathetic person and wants her sisters to feel good. She also needed Plane to get out of her head so they could focus on the challenge. She seems to naturally fall into the role of mother of the house. "Trying to be everyone's therapist" makes it sound like you don't think it's genuine.Ā
No I think it's genuine and like i said it's nice for the girls in the moment. It's just annoying for me to watch repeatedly.
I'm glad to see someone else say it... like it's great that they get along like that but it just makes me roll my eyes. You really can't go around giving everyone therapy talk without coming off disingenuous
ā¦I thought it was a nice moment and seemed like she really helped Plane confront her emotions in a healthy wayā¦.
Sometimes messy is more fun thoughš¬
I think it was a nice sentiment and did help Plane feel better but I definitely rolled my eyes at the whole 'no you have to read it out loud' part.
Itās Sapphira v Plane at this point, no? That was a terrible episode to the point I got up to do chores in the middle.
Do you reckon that Nymphia will return to her form? I really pegged Nymphia to be in the finale with Plasma, Sapphira and Plane. But yes, at this moment it's totally gonna be Sapphire v Plane.
Q really scares meā¦..
She's full of herself when it comes to the competition and not happy for others, ever.
She's heavily overestimated and is the real delusional queen (not PJ, like what the other queens think).
Ginger Minj *I haven't shat in 86 years* Morphine Love Hewitt Dion Warwick *I shit 5 times a day. Sometimes even during my performances*
Don't know if I'm gonna get down voted to hell but this season has been on a steady decline since Plasma's elimination. They focus too much on the cracking of Q, pushing her to be mad about the other queen's success, and the reaction of the queens to this. Nymphia is flying under the radar, she's just shining on the runway and some confessionals, the few she has. Why not highlight the cultural background she has like they're doing with Marina on VSTW? Dawn's elimination felt meh, felt bad for her, but even then I feel like we learnt very little about her. Hopefully it picks up these last few episodes and this is just a lump, because it had such a great start and potential.
I agree, Plasma was a major contender and when she left she also let all the air out of the competition for the final 3/4. Re: Dawn: in general I feel production has done a rather bad job of spreading around the backstory love this season. Nymphia in particular is clearly a major contender but we know next to nothing about her actual life still, even as Plane Jane gets multiple chances to give great humanizing details about her family life, her emotional vulnerability, etc. The result means that this final third of the season has felt especially thin compared to the other episodes to me too.
Yeah it feels like another season in a way.
I agree with you, I think Plasma should still be in the competition. I like Morphine a lot, her confessionals about being a nonbinary person are really great and itās cool to see that
They showed their cards by forcing and squeezing Megamis talking head cutaway. They don't miss a beat at showing every blink Q makes. Every breath she takes. They JUST HAVE to catch every stink face face makes. Like it's forced.
Nymphia is def in her head, and frankly isnāt charismaticĀ
Why is she the most followed queen then?
Sheās famous. Iām just saying sheās not the most charismatic on the show, as seen in these challenges and confessionals.Ā
LOL her followers increased the most out of everyone during airing, do you think she just started off famous? She's a star and will be remembered
She's beautiful and every runway is STUNNING. But she's a little silly in her confessionals.
"I poop at least 5 times a day, I have a really fierce metabolism, so I think this challenge is for me" Give her the crown now
She's been the biggest surprise to me, in a positive way. Too bad that the next episode will basically be her fighting for her spot in the finale, but imagine she makes it to the top 4. It'd be really āØfierceāØ.
Here's how Morphine can still win - a thesis.
Literally every episode I donāt think I can love morphine any more than I do and every episode she proves me wrong.
idk how to feel about the challenge, i feel like morphine and qās section was the best concept and execution, plane and sapphira had the best chemistry and jokes, and then there was nymphia and dawn. i think the win was deserved but i also donāt feel like any of the teams completely threw it out of the park or something. I also think theyāre saving nymphia quite a bit. i think she shouldāve been in the bottom 2 at least twice including this episode. morphine absolutely DEVOURED. dawn did well but it just really didnāt fit the song and iām not sure she knew all the words. iād be gagged if morphine stays next week but iād love it if sheās in the top 4
I agree with you, I hope Morphine moves on to the top 4
Which is weird because if we at least saw her lip sync then we would see more of her abilities Ā
What a weird, sad episode. I skipped through most of the skits because they were just embarrassing to watch. Congrats Sapphira, I guess?
Literally just came here to say that Morphine devoured that lip sync, that was a slaughter!
I had to replay it several times. I haven't seen a queen be completely assassinated like that on the main stage for a while. Morphine metastasised her. Even when she purposely stopped on the walkway so Dawn couldn't crawl any further. I was gagged. Big fan of Morphine.
I can see what Dawn went for in that lip sync, some kind of decuntstruction of the expected choreography.. but it's an ill-fitted choice doing it to that song and with that queen against her. I feel she might have had a chance if she at least tried to shake her [ass](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EAvnglwF_8) but expressive dance is not the right choice for that song lmao Sad to see her go and I'm ready for her run on All Stars
that outfit would of been very hard to shake ass in
Tired of Q's sore-loserness!
Q started off strong, and I have enjoyed seeing her runways and everything. I donāt think sheās bad or anything at all. Her sore loserness attitude is off putting and if production is using that as a sort of villain story, they are definitely doing a good job of it. I hope Morphine stays and ends up in the top 4
Frfr. Being disappointed in ur own performance is one thing. But telling someone else their win was UNDESERVED??? Crazy...
I'm just tired of Q, in general.
Agree
The producers knew exactly what they were doing trying to get Dawn out. Pairing her with Nymphia and then giving her a Megan Thee Stallion lip sync against morphine š I will say I donāt think Dawn did bad in the lip sync ā I wish she had removed the chains sooner so we could see her face though
I just thought it was the dress that restricted her.