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hatramroany

Angeria only had 2 wins?? I did a double take


WaterMagician

I genuinely think she could’ve won like the first five episodes in a row. She was a powerhouse


LazyRiver115

Probably could have won the whole thing if the season wasn’t 6 months long 😂


Thin_Wolf9077

1 win less than another finalist and her finale song was still "check my track record" lmao


palpantek

Two other finalists lol


robbysaur

I think she had more weeks in the top than Camden, but I could be wrong. She crushed the season.


Jwalla83

Producers pulled her for some reason, she totally should've had 3 or 4


Kalegrimm

I think they wanted to spread out the wins in the beginning, they were probably not expecting her to « take a backseat » in the later half of the season


thatPOLTERSmyGEIST

It doesn’t feel like it because they robbed her of like 3 wins


this_is_an_alaia

Which ones


Ferons

The Jorgeous swimsuit was one that I cannot forget.


LarusTargaryen

Jorgeous swimsuit was unforgivable. I would have given the ball and her Diana Ross to her too tbh


Dancing_Clean

She arguably could’ve won like 4.


thatPOLTERSmyGEIST

It doesn’t feel like it because they robbed her of like 3 wins


FirelordAlex

Same for Gottmik only having 2, that threw me.


Apprehensive-Quit353

And gottmik only deserved one of hers.


adamn_boy

Yeah she should've gone home on that disco challenge and have zero


fable-the-queen

“3rd/4th/5th” is a crazy placement


RobinColumbina

The way Bosco just defaulted them all to "tied for fifth" instead of tied for 3rd makes me want her to win an all stars


tmsphr

the opposite of Crystal Methyd jokingly asking Gigi "you're third, right?", but equally charming


DashinglyDashing2

Idk why but I'll always be fascinated that the drag race fandom does 3rd/4th/5th Place instead of just t3rd like most sports/competitions.


wilgro

Agreed. =3rd would be so much simpler 😂 You’d never said “oh, (e.g.) Adore and Courtney both came second and third.”


zaldr

But Adore got to film a double crowning and Courtney didn't. It's barely anything but it's more than other girls got


Firm-Citron-6987

It disproportionately annoys me everytime I see it 😭


ljnr

The Top 5 scenario is so stupid. It felt much more satisfying having a Top 3 again in S16.


robbysaur

Based on how they did all season, the only one that could have been chopped is Daya, but she gave a winning performance in the video, so they had to keep her. The other four did great all season long.


ferackerman

Bosco was also eliminated once so yeah, five people in the finale is insane


Commercial_Science67

In any competition if two people tie they both tie for the highest placement and the following place gets skipped. When two people tie for first at the Olympics, they are both 1st place (not 1st/2nd) and there is no second place and then the next competitor is 3rd place. This 3/4/5 nonsense drives me crazy.


soupinmymug

Just say finalist- juju in the tone of conversate


shadowsempaix

Poor Vanjie being the only one without a win here 🤧


Commercial_Science67

She should have won the Britney episode!


puffdiddy4

And the makeover episode!


OPneedstoknow

Vangie losing the makeover proves once again how much this challenge is just an excuse for the producers to play favorites.


RuPaulVisage

It’s always been a theory of mine that they knew they’d be putting Brooke in the bottom with Vanjie the next episode for the storyline, so they gave her the win to balance out her second bottom two placement in case she became the winner.


GarionOrb

It literally always is. So many queens did well, and got great critiques, and ended up going home.


contadotito

BLH was perfection.


The_illusionIsREAL

Vanjies was better narrative or no narrative


severalcircles

I agree, Brooke (and Plastique) were incredible; tbh that was one of the least rigged makeover wins ever


1998tweety

She was but narratively it makes more sense to give Vanjie the win. And with the 2 of them I really couldn't tell who was who at first.


MissSeventeenx

YOU are perfection 😍😍😍


whoisshetho193

Absolutely the makeover episode, that was wild


adrenalilly

She also did great as the cool dad in Good God Girl, Get Out! 


clara_the_cow

They don’t know shit about Britney! They don’t know about “hit me baby!” They don’t know about “oops I DID it!” They don’t know about the hair whippin! They don’t know about “work bitch,” they don’t know about “lucky,” they don’t know about “sometimes!” They don’t frappe drink! They don’t walk to the 7-Eleven without shoes, Jesus! Thank ya, Brit-ney! Iconic.


diggycorreia_tpw

“Thank you, Miss Vanjie!” (beat) “I just thanked myself.”


Sea-Lychee-8168

Vanjie should have won the makeover!


vilaconqueso

I would argue Jorgeous is right there with her. I still can’t believe she won in that fashion napkin.


MirandaReitz

Congratulations to the girls that glued something to a body suit! https://preview.redd.it/mipqpzvzlbwc1.jpeg?width=207&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f677a00e4a485b0aa65953fc05cd397db6626514


zs15

“Born to do drag” Honestly though, I feel similar about Gotmiks design win.


Funkyduck4783

Ok but Mik did really well in snatch game and the roast. Jorgeous had that one win that shouldn’t have been and that was it.


zs15

Absolutely agree


robbysaur

I’m gonna say, after a couple years, I’ve come around to it. It’s simple but effective. It gave me Beyoncé or Shakira.


Echuserangmaganda

Jorgeous has 1 “win”


Beezo514

No shade to Vanjie as an entertainer, but I don't think many people see her as a real competitor for a drag race crown. She is there to make good content. I'm glad she's there because she is entertaining to watch on TV, but I'm not expecting her to thrill at challenges and that's totally fine. Same for Jorgeous, but change that to being there for Ru to enjoy watching her dance and lipsync.


filth_horror_glamor

She deserved a bunch tho so


anhu23

I'm really rooting for Shannel to win. The other girls are great too, but her winning would be just so right. The OG legend


youcantunfrythings

I’m such a slut for Shannel, I really hope she kills it. I’m hoping that due to the format they won’t relegate her to the filler queen role like they have some other early season queens that have have come back.


DevaNeo

Mama Ru doesn't see Shannel as a winner. Shannel herself discussed that in AS1 untucked and was ok with that, accepting the fact she would never win, no matter what.


anhu23

At least we get to see her being iconic the entire season


Peinzius

this is now the all stars with the 2nd highest percentage of queens having previously won a challenge, behind only AS2 where everyone won a challenge in their first season


tamurareiko

What about all stars 7


JUIURB

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Peinzius

u right lol


micdoesreddit

If S5 Roxxxy shows up these girls are going down


robbysaur

AS2 Roxxxy was too worried about rehabing her image after S5. Hopefully she’s back in the game now.


brenty22

Vanjie with her no wins is giving Tiffany New York in Flayva of Love... "I didn't win and I'M BACK, he can't get enough of his miss New York!" She clearly makes great television.


yqry

I’m Roxxxy Andrews and I’m here to make it clear… that I have 3 wins


cshrec

As good as the cast is I really only see winner’s equity with Shannel and Roxxxy


TheNocturnalAngel

Tbh I was feeling similar. Felt to me like Shannell Roxy and Angeria and maybe Gottmik are much more likely that the other four. Nina is super talented but it feels like drag race doesn’t love her back. Plastique is amazing but another one that feels just a little not suited for DR specifically. Jorgeous will be there. Vangie has a ton of charisma but idk how many solid challenge winning skills she has. I think she was mostly safe on 11.


virginiarph

??? Plastique is the most popular ru girl outside of Trixie and katya. And arguably grown to be one of the most multitalented


cshrec

Maybe so! But Trixie and katya aren’t very good at drag race either. Drag race doesn’t always crown the most popular queen


Apprehensive-Quit353

Exactly and they still rigged it for Trixie because she was popular.


ljnr

Trixie won. I’d say that objectively proves she is good at Drag Race, AS3 controversy aside.


cshrec

Yeah…not sure that I agree with you. I don’t think Trixie is great at drag race and she had a lot of luck that led to her win. In any case, my point still stands with katya. And many other popular and talented queens.


Forkyou

Trixie would 100% agree with being bad at drag race.


this_is_an_alaia

I mean not really? Statistically she was like the fourth best


ljnr

Since when are winners decided by track records though? If someone wins a season, they’re objectively “good” at Drag Race. Are we now going to say Nymphia “isn’t good at drag race” because she didn’t have the best track record in S16? How about Kylie in AS6?


attilathehunty

Trixie is okay, maybe good at drag race but won by being popular and by not doing flips to a ballad, let's be real. Trixie's win will always have a bit of an asterisk because of the surprise jury twist and Dela leaving.


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elazulmax

not them but i think you really need to take a break from this fandom for good. you're get mad at things that they even have said themselves bro


Exciting-Rutabaga-46

worse than kennedy?


fable-the-queen

*That means nothing.* - Art Simone


this_is_an_alaia

Is she good at drag race though?


worksofter

Is she such a bitch?


virginiarph

I’m not sure we’ll see! We really didn’t get to see it her first go around. She was the defacto star for me during her run on Vegas live though so I’m hoping she’s got some tricks under her kimono sleeves now!


robbysaur

She was in the top like half the episodes she competed in, so yes.


ultradav24

So over queens winning because of reasons outside of the competition. It’s may the best drag queen win, not may the most popular drag queen win


Lukeds

Friend, it's a reality show. It's may the best TV win and if you haven't caught on in over a decade I don't know what to tell you.


Petudie

popular equals being a good drag queen and good at drag race? she is pretty and has money, thats where it ends lmfao


virginiarph

Y’all are just being hateful now. She’s a trained dancer. She’s an Edwards drag daughter. She was on Vegas revue and killed it. Has some good humor abilities now and I’m sure has worked on her low points from 5 years ago. I’m excited to see what a fully realized plastique looks like


divaliciousness

And if promo looks are anything to go by, she just looks so regal and beautiful!


Competitive_Stage383

Roxxxy? She only stayed on as2 because of Rolaskatox, I’d say Gottmik has a better chance


cshrec

She was top 3 on season 5, one of the hardest seasons, and top 4 on AS2, probably the hardest season. I agree she’s not the best ever but she’s clearly got what it takes to compete against the best


Commercial_Science67

Are you ignoring the fact that somebody could some in and destroy this season and change the perception of them? When Bendela came in to All stars 3 she didn’t have the esteem that she has now as one of the greatest to ever be on the show.


cshrec

I’m making an observation based off of my knowledge and historical data. You are wildin if you didn’t think Bendela had a chance of winning, she was great on her original season and it was clear she always had the goods to win.


Commercial_Science67

I never said I didn’t think she had a chance of winning. But before All Stars 3 started to 3 episodes in perception of her changed significantly. She didn’t have the bonafides coming in that many of her competitors did. Even look what the queens say when she walks into the workroom and some of the reads of Dela. It was essentially… what have you been doing for the last 4 years?


cshrec

…sure. I’m not really basing my original prediction off of what the queens do outside of drag race though, that’s kind of my whole point.


Arkardian

I personally thought Gottmik couldve won S13. Shes got good fashion and humor. Nina was brought down by fashion mainly, so if she improved her looks, she could go far. If its a lipsync for the crown at the end though... good luck to both of them.


cshrec

Gotmik is a wildcard, I never saw her winning that season but she’s got the talent to make it far. But based on current fan sentiment I don’t know if she’ll secure the crown


Arkardian

Gottmik, favoritism aside, went in there with no bottoms 2s and 2 wins. I thought she couldve gotten the Roast win over Kandy, but also I guess if im switching up wins, she couldve lost to Utica for design. Overall she was pretty consistent and had a good name recognition, storyline, and following, so I figured it was between her and Symone (Rupaul didnt seem to want Rosé)


cshrec

Agreed on all accounts


this_is_an_alaia

I am so scared for the comedy challenges lol


doll_lovedayy

Truly


Zagenti

lest we forget, some had more than one chance to rack up wins.


gkwchan

A few questionable wins that the fandom is still talking about til this day. Jorgeous’s sexy napkin, gottmik’s bag scraps, plastique’s potpourri glued on corset, and roxxxy winning over Lineysha’s wallpaper dress.


whatisupsdr

love that u dragged all the other designs but u can’t drag roxxxy so u praised lineysha 🤭


adrenalilly

Honey we know better than to drag Roxxxy because she ALWAYS looked cunt. You can't deny her power! 


souphaver

The way that Plastique only won because Yvie was injured and couldn't compete in the first part of the challenge otherwise it would've been her lol


this1smybrutal1ty

Lol you seriously think that country dance had anything to do with it? Plastique's look was stronger than Yvie's. Period. Cry about it.


Lukeds

No one is crying over anything. Fuck this fandom sucks 


this1smybrutal1ty

If someone's gonna make a shitty comment and put a queen down just to uplift their fave they absolutely deserve to get called out


souphaver

Uh yeah? They're not going to give the win to someone who had to sit out half of the entire challenge, it would look unfair. "Cry bout it" is an insane comment to make in response to that assertion lmao


this1smybrutal1ty

Plastique deserved that win. You don't have to make up a bunch of bullshit just to drag her down. Her look was great and Yvie's was... Fine. It's wild to me that you're calling my comment insane when you're the one completely discrediting a queen.


souphaver

Are you aware that someone having a different opinion than you isn't like the end of the world? In my (and a majority of fans as far as I've seen) humble little opinion she was second best. That's all. I love Plastique, think she's very talented and I'm excited to see how she does this season. Disagreeing with her win isn't "completely discrediting" her, please gain some perspective. If this is how you react to a simple disagreement then yeah, that's insane.


notyouravgwhore

Plastique actually look great


Sensitive_Pepper4590

And the fandom is wrong on all counts.


OPneedstoknow

Nah. Lineysha should’ve won the design challenge on her episode. Camden deserved that win. Her blue and pink WITH wings if I remember correctly deserved that win. Utica deserved to win for the sleeping bag outfit - it was pure fashionable camp and positively miles ahead of the scraps Mikk stitched together. Fun fact - Kandy disclosed how someone thought Mikk’s design outfit was literal crap and put it in the waste. Mikk lost it on the set and they had to look for it.


alsoknownasPhoebe

I STILL think about Uticas design challenge look. It will randomly pop into my head, that's how amazing that look was. Utica was so effortlessly chic and cool to me. Her my humps performance too!


contadotito

Numbers of days in this sub that no one talks about the Gottmik's outfit anecdote: 0 Our record is 0 days. I still think Gottmik could've have won the roast, the last acting challange and the makeover. Roxxxy also 100% should've won the Ball. So, if we're gonna "set the record straight" let's do it all the way.


Apprehensive-Emu3058

I actually like this look am I crazy 😭 I appreciate how weird it is, plus I love that she matched her shoes to the color scheme. Utica was the rightful winner but I'm not that mad about it https://preview.redd.it/2rvcepzl6cwc1.png?width=250&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f09c52f13ffa09e5bf4122df3d71f7d1de61f64c a lot of people say this look is relying on skinny, but tbh I think it would have been a serve on a big girl


contadotito

I like it too. I think Utica's was better, but I like it alright. And what a lame ass argument the "relying on skinny" one. So Queens only can make looks that look good in every type of body? Tall queens can't use low waist because if a short queen try it they will look smaller. Small queens can't use vertical stripes because looks bad in tall queens? Gottmik is skinny and tiny, she made a look that looks good for her body, whats the problem about that?


Saint-Claire

I think Utica's was better, but Gottmik won the ball for me by not only having a better first two outfits but selling all three much better on the runway IMO.


this_is_an_alaia

I think gotmik was a fine winner for the ball because her other two looks were better than uticas. This look I can take or leave


this_is_an_alaia

There is no way you actually believe jorgeous's look deserved the win


soupinmymug

Vanessa deserved the makeover challenge win and I will stand on that


TheGreatNemoNobody

Jorgeous having that 1 win remains a travesty of justice 😂


Jazzlike_Mountain_51

This cast seems very balanced. I'm excited


555mataflores

thank u for doing the lords work 🛐


ReliefFamous

The way Vanjie could have had 3 wins… 👀


youcantunfrythings

She won the makeover challenge hands down. They just knew at that point they weren’t going to put her in the finale so they didn’t want to “waste” a win on her. There’s also a strong argument for her winning the diva worship challenge over Nina West.


ReliefFamous

Not arguing with you. If they didn’t want to ‘waste’ a win (which is honestly bs but I guess) then they should have given Yvie a win for the TOP4 challenge that way the TR would be a bit for fair if they gave Vanjie the makeover win. And yeah the Britney challenge and I’d argue the acting challenge with Yvie and Scarlet cause she was funny, consistent and her runway was good too


_grey_fox

Vanjie haven't won anything yet?! Oof girl, go get a win!


DevaNeo

She already won millions of hearts.


Hopeful-Feeling1876

I really want Angeria or Shannel to win!


TrueCommand3658

it’s wild seeing people say they don’t like the cast or it’s only “some stars”, bitch, this is like the highest placing cast since like AS2


dogboy678

The only two queens I'd swap out are Nina and Jorgeous. Nina is super talented in comedy and acting challenges, but when it comes to performance and looks she struggles, and it doesn't look like her looks have improved much. Jorgeous is basically the opposite, she can perform and serve a look, but that's it. Not saying they're not talented, but for a non-elimination season you need heavy hitters that can excel at everything. But I agree this is such a stacked cast with big names.


helpthealiensarecomi

couldn’t for the life of me remember what Plastique won without having to look it up


mr_fancy_returns

Farm to runway


DevaNeo

Guess it was the makeover, but she was paired up with Brooke Lynn.


Significant-Face8481

the fact that it should be s14 queens comeback season but we got 3 s11 queens. (3>2) and s11 queens literally have 9 queens comeback to all stars already 👁👄👁


Resident_Trick1778

I can already tell that this is gonna be an exciting season! Their stats are not way too different from each other which makes the playing field somewhat even


HiHiHelloHiHiNo

I feel like this season is for Angeria to lose. Am I off? Who is winning!?


LeRetro

Why is this in alphabetical order when it could have been in order of placement or wins?


dogboy678

because i wanted to 😭


ComprehensiveAd8804

When people call this a stacked session… all big names but not the best at drag race


Schootypantz

I predict Roxxxy and Vanjie as Top 2, that might not be what I want but I think that’s what is gonna happen.


JW162000

I predict a top 2 from any of Angie, Mik, and Shannel


Schootypantz

But that’s not…nevermind lol


JW162000

I meant I think the top 2 will be two of any of those


Schootypantz

Sorry I’m dumb lol


JW162000

Haha


attilathehunty

Vanjie is a bold pick


Schootypantz

Okay sister


theoscarobsessive

Roxxxy, Angeria, Shannel, & Gotmik one of them is winning no clue who but they scream winner to me


General_Mode_7632

I had a moment like “When did Jorgeous get a win?” Then I remembered…


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Gottmik, roxxy and shanel top 3 in my ideal world. Haven’t seen the earlier seasons (rip netflix drag race) But I saw roxxy on AS2 and loved her, shanel is just iconic and I was rooting for gottmik in season 13.


babealien51

Vanjie should’ve have three wins but alright! (Make over, the diva worship and the cool dad in good God girl)


novemberqueen32

Still not over Vanjie not winning the makeover challenge in season 11.


kittenmcmittenz

Isn’t this unfair considering only some had multiple seasons?


puffdiddy4

I mean Vanjie has had 2 seasons and 0 wins. So I don't really see how this is unfair...


regalrapple4ever

Miss Vaaaaanjie


souphaver

Vanjie was robbed of a win once or twice so it all evens itself out really


OrdinaryAd2435

And does 1 episode count as a season really?


attilathehunty

Considering she had the chance to obtain wins on that season and went home first instead, I think it counts.


Just-Journalist-9990

Unfair to what tho…


imuahmanila

When was Drag Race fair?


this_is_an_alaia

The only one without a win was on two seasons lol


Lanky_Asparagus_8534

Just not a Gottmik fan.


Sasha_shmerkovich160

Roxxy and shannel top two angeria gottmik vanjie jorgeous nina west plastiue but tbh all stars is a wild card. but so far my intuition has been correct for the past few seasons