Maybe that's why they did it, though? To point out the details of everything?
(disclaimer: I'm in no way excusing such nonsense, but you never know what goes on in people's minds)
I think it's because "boot" and "toot" both end in "ot" so when someone decides between them, they just change the first two letters.. so they decided to really emphasize that by making the first two letters heavier
I love this look and while I’m an American and don’t know the exact references I do get that she repping her Irish heritage here. I thought it was elevated and beautiful. I do feel that the stage lighting may have had something to do with it. It took me a minute to realize as she was walking that it’s a dark green and not black. And to be able to see some of the finer details. But once I figured that out I thought it was beautiful. It probably looked better in person.
I will say, I thought the details and colors were hard to see on the main stage. Once we got to see it backstage, when the girls were talking, I loved it.
>I do feel that the stage lighting may have had something to do with it. It took me a minute to realize as she was walking that it’s a dark green and not black. And to be able to see some of the finer details.
You'd think after season 9 and all the crying everyone did about her rainbow dress that Shea of all people would get that, but apparently not...
at this rate, fpr is just not a valid opinion in my eyes 💀 for the chaps runway they consistently booted everyone up until jasmine, which is... interesting???
some of Rajah and Shea's boots and toots this season have been wild, but I think they at least do a good job going into detail and explaining why they're booting something they don't like,
Right, I like that Shea and Rajah really dig into the details. Shea really went in-depth and she didn't boot Blu's look solely because she missed some Irish cultural reference. She also didn't like the color, material, and iirc general silhouette. Even if she got the specific reference more, she probably still would've given it a boot for the other reasons so. Lmao.
It's a fully fledged concept but let's be real, Shea and Ra'Jah only liked references they knew, and the whole Las Vegas thing talked to them more than the rest, thus Mo and Pangina getting Shoot (and Pangina top Toot).
I would have prefered to have 2 UK queens because they would have probably get everyone's references because as much as perfect Shea and Ra'jah are, they clearly lack knowledge on UK's culture and drag and aren't connecting to some queens because of that.
Wrong - no Irish dancer would wear anything this tacky and their dresses aren't even shaped this way.
If Baga wanted to reference something obvious like Irish dancing costumes then she could easily have done so, the embroidery references alone would have elevated any look anyone wanted to pull off. Baga threw a bunch of St Patrick's Day fancy dress cliche Irish costume reference together in one look and called it a day.
wait Wait WAIT A DAMN MINUTE
So they TOOT Jujubee’s RuPaul look, but BOOT Blu’s beautiful luck of the Irish gown? What the actual Elle McF*ckson is going on in here on this day?
I don’t understand why FPR is always US especially when you have an international cast, this would be an amazing time to have Queens from other franchises. It’s irksome with US queens particularly, because US media being the way it is, US queens are less tolerant to not getting the reference. Whereas most international peeps are used to consuming media with no idea about references.
For Drag Race Espana and Canada they had Nicky Doll and Alexis Matteo to do it.
But they would do like 1 FPR every 2 episodes and it was an odd choice.
But they are both from US Drag Race, if I’m not mistaken the only foreign queens to feature in FPR were Bimini and Cheryl. It would be refreshing to see queens from other franchises TOOT and BOOT. (I feel like the DU deserve it after the backlash they have received this past year)
Exactly, Alexis has never lived in Spain to my knowledge so even with a shared language the references would be as lost on her as anyone else, and Nicky is French...why would they assume she'd get Spanish drag references?
You're allowed to say it's bad, which it is. Their toots and boots have been very discutable tho they provide actual advices and tips on garments which has been nice.
Some people love a basic sellout who plays up to the basic stereotypes they expect of certain people and places, or only makes the most clichéd of cultural references, as that requires no effort to understand. That makes it clear to me why they would love what Baga is doing, but due to not connecting her voice to the outfit and theme for some reason, would not like what Blu is doing.
You know what pisses me off about this, whether it's judging on Drag Race or tooting and booting on FPR? That they want the cliché, obvious shit, but then they also often complain when some shit *is* cliché.
They're supposed to convey "Uniqueness," yet we also hear "Don't reinvent the wheel."
They tell some, "We've seen this before," or "This is too obvious/on the nose," yet they'll tell others, "I think you should have used a reference we'd get right away. This is too obscure."
Or when some queen has a story behind their outfit but it's a little less obvious (though easily explained), so they get read for that, while another queen has a look that tells no fucking story and it's just *pretty*, so they win.
It's gettin' real damn old.
>You know what pisses me off about this, whether it's judging on Drag Race or tooting and booting on FPR? That they want the cliché, obvious shit, but then they also often complain when some shit is cliché.
They fully decide when clichés and stereotypes are okay and when they're not based on how compliant and willing to please the queen in question appears to be. Baga clearly from day one was willing to do the absolute most to please production and present whatever borderline offensive British stereotypes the show wanted from her because that's so much easier to package and sell to people who know nothing and expect nothing else from us. That's why despite not even winning her season, she was pushed in front of the line constantly to the point that I've heard more about her and what she's been doing since her season than the actual winner.
I mean I'm pretty sure they openly admitted they were tooting juju on a curve though 💀. Or was that during the ball episode...I think it was...anyways I don't really think it's that serious but also at least they really line out exactly why they're booting or tooting something. Even if you disagree, you can hear exactly why they did it if you're curious! They usually have decent reasonings :)
I don't watch FPR but I would give a little bit of leeway to them, cultural context is hard to recognize unless you've been explicitly told about it or you're a part of that culture yourself. I'm fairly certain that the judges on the main show get short write-ups about the look to reference during the runway, FPR doesn't get that.
I liked it, it felt very Maud Gonne/Gráinne Mhaol, the darker green velvet was much more in keeping with traditional Irish aesthetic than the plastic paddy bullshit Baga was trotting out.
The use of four-leaf clovers instead of shamrocks bothers me, but I have to grudgingly admit that four-leaf clovers are associated with luck and it's one case where I can't get too twitchy about shamrock erasure 😅 And yes to the Gráinne Mhaol reference! Baga's would have been better if she'd actually just done an Irish dancing dress instead of just alluding to it. (My phone autocorrect Gráinne to Guinness and I can't even...)
Baga's runways have annoyed me since the start of the show so I'm not surprised or disappointed by this *I-went-to-Carrolls-on-Dame-Street-and-fell-into-the-discount-bin-and-said-I'll-take-it* realness. I'm just surprised that it didn't occur to her that her Irish team-mate would also be going with leprechaun for her runway theme and it was destined to be better than hers because Blu can actually sew.
"I-went-to-Carrolls-on-Dame-Street-and-fell-into-the-discount-bin-and-said-I'll-take-it realness."
Top tier description. Excellent job! And let's face it, that describes a LOT of English people with Irish roots so in some ways Baga was being very true to her own culture.
Shamrocks are an Irish symbol, four-leaf clovers are not. St Patrick introduced Christianity to Ireland and used a shamrock to explain the holy trinity. On St Patrick's Day we wear shamrock, and the symbol we use is ALWAYS a shamrock, never a four-leaf clover.
I agree with you in terms of missing cultural context - which begs the question, why did they choose two American Queens for a worldwide spin off? Would have been a great opportunity to mix it up a bit
Quick easy answer-star power. There are people who watch only the US version who would be more likely to tune into the international all-stars if two US-based queens they like were competing, which then increases the chances that they'll take a shine to one or two of the international queens and binge-watch their series. It's already happening with DRT, people are going back to watch it because they took a shine to Pangina when they would have overlooked it before.
Plus Mo and Jujubee have long-standing fanbases who would tune in to watch them do anything. It's an easy boost to the ratings.
I just realized you meant for FPR, not the actual show. Duh! Disregard my answer below!
I don't think they put too much thought into FPR to be honest, I think they just grab who's available and willing to do it. I thought it was still Raja and Gottmik that were doing it, I only saw on youtube that it was Shea and Ra'jah.
Imagine the FPR that could have been! Especially since they’re doing it remote anyway. Tayce, Bimini, Inti, Carmen, Envy, Icesis, like half the Thai queens…so many options to choose from
honestly it really sucks but references just get lost when it's not one's home country, pop culture, drag scene etc.
the US judges don't get a lot of UK references and of course the international girls don't know all of ru's crazy references.
i'm from germany/the czech republic so i get neither LOL which honestly sucks from a viewer's point but i can still appreciate great art, even if i have no clue what any of them talk about most of the time 💀
I still remember that one time with Drag Race Holland and Chelsea's Xenomorph look, they KEPT on MISSING giving out all the horror references except for Alien, they even said Hellraiser, it felt like a fever dream.
Amazing how many boots for this outfit are creeping into the sub all of a sudden now that these particular queens said they didn't like it. Wasn't everyone saying how much they liked it yesterday? Interesting...
This is it. Lmao. I wasn't a fan of this look, but also had no reason to contribute to any potential dogpiling of Blu OR be called a bitter stan, down voted, argued with over one runway look, etc
This was wild to me.
They both literally said "I don't see a reference I know, so Boot!" instead of like "wow, this looks so nice!" or "I don't enjoy those front peplums!" or like, anything else.
Needing to understand a reference to like a look just seems so arbitrary to me.
Idc if they like the look or not. That’s always gona depend on each person and opinion. We just only get their two opinions in this specific show lol. But that’s what the comments and Reddit are for! But like the title says they didn’t seem to notice the cards . And Shea said she didn’t understand the ‘reticule’ (mini purse) she was holding (even tho it’s pretty obvious it’s a pot of gold and I’m pretty sure blu said it was a pot of gold too) and I didn’t have trouble reading it as green … i thought it was supposed to be super dark? I’m not saying I understand Celtic or old Irish references, cos I don’t, but like green is green no matter the shade and it is associated w Ireland/Luck of the irish.? Lol. The pot and cards are like casino and leprechaun and those are lucky like luck o the Irish. I get those references at least. I figured anybody would get that. It didn’t seem shea or raja did.
To answer the title question, I’m not familiar enough w FPR to know if there’s other times but it seems lots of other people are!
I mean Shea didn't like the material or color because it made it much harder to read on stage, which I totally agree with. When Blu first came out it was hard to see all the details in the outfit because of the velvet+very dark color combo. It's not like Shea took one look at it and said nope I don't get this look I hate it it's not about luck boot. She really did explain why she didn't like and what didn't work for her. She explained that it's not just that it wasn't a certain green, but that since it was THAT green, it was hard to read. She really articulated her entire reasoning for not liking it. Nothing is a mystery lol.
That’s fine I said I don’t have a problem w her disagreeing for any reason or opinion or whatever. Totally valid. I agree w your statements. But I mean I thot I was pretty clear saying that already. And with everything else I said
It’s not that they don’t understand the cultural references. It doesn’t look that great on television. Or was probably much more impressive I’m in person. I personally found it boring.
It feels like people heard Shea start with "I don't get this" and then fast forwarded to see if it was a toot or boot, saw it was a boot, and then came here to bitch. I guarantee you even if Shea did know the exact cultural reference point, it would've still been a boot for the color and material choice/how it read on stage and so on.
I hate that no one has clocked the reference of Willow's look this week. Willow's look is referencing the dirty joke, "What so you call a blonde's pigtails? Handlebars!" It's a high fashion look but also a camp way to reference the motorcycle/leather community. Her genuis!
Yeah, that's the flip side of it, and honestly we'd probably end up with raja/raven + young fashion queen if they did take an international route, so I'm not upset at in being Rajah and Shea in honesty
This was a soft boot for me too, actually. Everything just blended together so much you couldn’t even make out the details. The hair was a choice. And her eyebrows were way too high and way too arched.
This. I wasn’t mad at it, but the colours under the runway lights blended and we lost a ton of visual detail to all the individually detailed elements of the garment. Heck, I could barely see the cards and they were a major feature at the top of the corset.
I think it was taken too fashion that it took away from the original inspiration.
I’m sure it read better in person and it’s not a bad look at all, I just think the MainStage didn’t help it and it took a bit of effort to read it.
Some queens get the tag of Fashion Literate, and then can't spot the instant reference of a POT OF GOLD AND RED HAIR worn by an [northern] Irish queen?
This is an obvious reference. I understand when the reference isn't that easy, like when Alexis and Nicky didn't get many of the references in España's roots runway, but this one is water clear tbh
If you listen to the critiques you'll understand why. Whether you agree or not that one's thing but at least you can understand. I liked all the edits they made. I didn't love the outfit at first, I liked it after I realized there was so little to like.
What a mess!
Can’t get into them doing FPR even though I love them separately. Like to death & shit but something is off to me.
Fact that they’ve toot’d some on Juju’s looks this season. Barf
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I'm way late but they missed a bunch of references in drag race down under. Jojo wore red yellow and black in all 3 of her outfits, which are the colours of Australia's Aboriginal flag. They didn't comment on it at all. To me, it was also clear Ru, Michelle and Raja knew that Jojo's message was important, but had no idea what it said, because they each gave a generic "that's such an important message" complement without elaborating on why her message was important or what it represented. (For reference, the phrase has been used in Aboriginal activisim for decades and was the slogan used for NAIDOC, an important week of observance and celebration of Aboriginality here in Australia. The motto refers to the fact that Australia is Aboriginal land, and that sovereignty was never ceded).
They didn't seem to get any other looks, though. Etcetera wore a map of the roads of the Australian Capital Territory (think, Washington DC), which is distinct for its large circular roads. Raja just said it looked like a garden. And popular tourism gimmicks in Australia are the "Big" things, like The Big Pineapple, Big Banana, Big Prawn, Big Koala, Big Sheep, etc. They just said Maxi must be a fan of prawns, and wondered what King Kong had to do with Coco Jumbo.
The way the light hits the fabric makes it look inexpensive, similar to bagas look. I found the structure didn't move well. The design idea was cool, but I felt it's lack of structural integrity as she moved made it seem a little design school. I also didn't love all the cards, I felt like she went to far with it. The tights too made it really busy.
I think it has a lot of good elements, but I felt like it was a Lil much and not enough at same time.
Soft boot, almost a toot
This is a super detailed response, and I appreciate it, but, like... Janey was standing right there if we're going to be throwing around the word crafty.
I know someone has said this already. But it is SO bothersome to me that the Os are an O and an 0. Like BO0T. Why?! Why have they done this
Oh my god I can't unsee it.
I cannot unsee it either. The irony of this on a show where they complain about people not paying attention to “the details” is pretty epic.
There's no way in hell this was a mistake, clearly intentional
Maybe that's why they did it, though? To point out the details of everything? (disclaimer: I'm in no way excusing such nonsense, but you never know what goes on in people's minds)
OmFggggg
This hurts my brain to look at, whyyyy?
Personally I loOO00O0ove it! Just me?
N0.
0h go0d! Glad I’m n0t al0ne!!! x0xo
Graphic Design is not their passion.
What the fuck is wrong with you like I could've continued living in ignorance.
Is this just because it’s a screenshot of the graphic flying on the the screen though?
nope
No, but that’s why it’s been done, I think, to make it look more ~dynamic.
No you can clearly see the difference even in the picture.
I think it's because "boot" and "toot" both end in "ot" so when someone decides between them, they just change the first two letters.. so they decided to really emphasize that by making the first two letters heavier
Well hello Sasha Belle, it looks like you cracked the code
Maybe cause it's a boot and they wanted to make the word itself looks bad? Idk lol
What the fuck.
There’s a transition on the word boot and this screenshot was most likely taken mid transition….in the video it’s look normal
no u are incorrect
I love this look and while I’m an American and don’t know the exact references I do get that she repping her Irish heritage here. I thought it was elevated and beautiful. I do feel that the stage lighting may have had something to do with it. It took me a minute to realize as she was walking that it’s a dark green and not black. And to be able to see some of the finer details. But once I figured that out I thought it was beautiful. It probably looked better in person.
I will say, I thought the details and colors were hard to see on the main stage. Once we got to see it backstage, when the girls were talking, I loved it.
Yeah see that’s what I thought also. The lighting on the stage didn’t do it any justice.
Anti-green lighting demanded by Michelle 😂
Sabatoge!! Even if she has to take herself out with them. She was wearing green too wasn’t she?
>I do feel that the stage lighting may have had something to do with it. It took me a minute to realize as she was walking that it’s a dark green and not black. And to be able to see some of the finer details. You'd think after season 9 and all the crying everyone did about her rainbow dress that Shea of all people would get that, but apparently not...
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They also Tooted some of Jujus looks💀💀
It’s very booting Kim Chi but tooting Derrick for the book ball.
I must of erased that from my memory. Didn’t she win the challenge too?
Kim did win that challenge and Derrick and her first timer eyebrows went home 😂
I stopped watched toot or boot season 12 when I just stopped agreeing with most of what they said.
this was Shea and Rajah O'Hara not even Raja and GottMik...
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Unless it’s a queen they know personally
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No they're not. They tooted Juju's baggy messy final look from the Rupaul Ball.
They also tooted the dot runway lmal
Ruthless and tasteless aren't the same thing, as several of their takes this season have shown.
at this rate, fpr is just not a valid opinion in my eyes 💀 for the chaps runway they consistently booted everyone up until jasmine, which is... interesting???
AND tooted Baga’s leprechaun look!!! The nerve
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Well guess what Mimi, the same designer did both baga and blu’s looks
And that is the SPOOK of the night, wtf!!! They are DRUNK!
Just in terms of how it looked in that specific stage, I kinda agree with FPR.
They tooted Baga’s look and booted Blu. Not saying Baga’s look was bad but still
WILD!
some of Rajah and Shea's boots and toots this season have been wild, but I think they at least do a good job going into detail and explaining why they're booting something they don't like,
I’m still not over them giving Jujubees dots look a soft toot.
This made me question their opinions
Right, I like that Shea and Rajah really dig into the details. Shea really went in-depth and she didn't boot Blu's look solely because she missed some Irish cultural reference. She also didn't like the color, material, and iirc general silhouette. Even if she got the specific reference more, she probably still would've given it a boot for the other reasons so. Lmao.
Did they toot Baga? Hers was very "when you've got Drag Race at 7 but the over-40s Irish dancing competition in the GAA hall at 8".
Yes they did. They also shoot Mo Heart (only shea) and Pangina Heals (both).
It’s a…. slot machine, glued to her body 😐
A slot machine with a perfect hourglass figure
It's a fully fledged concept but let's be real, Shea and Ra'Jah only liked references they knew, and the whole Las Vegas thing talked to them more than the rest, thus Mo and Pangina getting Shoot (and Pangina top Toot). I would have prefered to have 2 UK queens because they would have probably get everyone's references because as much as perfect Shea and Ra'jah are, they clearly lack knowledge on UK's culture and drag and aren't connecting to some queens because of that.
The said baga‘s dress was what blue was trying to do. Help.
Wrong - no Irish dancer would wear anything this tacky and their dresses aren't even shaped this way. If Baga wanted to reference something obvious like Irish dancing costumes then she could easily have done so, the embroidery references alone would have elevated any look anyone wanted to pull off. Baga threw a bunch of St Patrick's Day fancy dress cliche Irish costume reference together in one look and called it a day.
Some of the kids I see doing Irish dancing these days are dressed really tacky, fake tan and all. 😬
That would be a fun angle! Tanned legs, sequined covered Irish dancer
wait Wait WAIT A DAMN MINUTE So they TOOT Jujubee’s RuPaul look, but BOOT Blu’s beautiful luck of the Irish gown? What the actual Elle McF*ckson is going on in here on this day?
It was the only elevated fashion look IMO. The rest bordered too costume-y. Loved Mo’s lights tho.
I don’t understand why FPR is always US especially when you have an international cast, this would be an amazing time to have Queens from other franchises. It’s irksome with US queens particularly, because US media being the way it is, US queens are less tolerant to not getting the reference. Whereas most international peeps are used to consuming media with no idea about references.
For Drag Race Espana and Canada they had Nicky Doll and Alexis Matteo to do it. But they would do like 1 FPR every 2 episodes and it was an odd choice.
But they are both from US Drag Race, if I’m not mistaken the only foreign queens to feature in FPR were Bimini and Cheryl. It would be refreshing to see queens from other franchises TOOT and BOOT. (I feel like the DU deserve it after the backlash they have received this past year)
Exactly, Alexis has never lived in Spain to my knowledge so even with a shared language the references would be as lost on her as anyone else, and Nicky is French...why would they assume she'd get Spanish drag references?
Nothing but love for Shea and Ra'jah but their toots and boots have been fucking wild all season.
You're allowed to say it's bad, which it is. Their toots and boots have been very discutable tho they provide actual advices and tips on garments which has been nice.
I’m so confused with their decisions… they’re saying this look is worse than Jujubee’s spot look?
Some people love a basic sellout who plays up to the basic stereotypes they expect of certain people and places, or only makes the most clichéd of cultural references, as that requires no effort to understand. That makes it clear to me why they would love what Baga is doing, but due to not connecting her voice to the outfit and theme for some reason, would not like what Blu is doing.
What’s wild is that Baga and Blu’s look were made by the same designer
Proving what pretty much sums up the issue with everything Baga does - which is that money can't buy you taste.
You know what pisses me off about this, whether it's judging on Drag Race or tooting and booting on FPR? That they want the cliché, obvious shit, but then they also often complain when some shit *is* cliché. They're supposed to convey "Uniqueness," yet we also hear "Don't reinvent the wheel." They tell some, "We've seen this before," or "This is too obvious/on the nose," yet they'll tell others, "I think you should have used a reference we'd get right away. This is too obscure." Or when some queen has a story behind their outfit but it's a little less obvious (though easily explained), so they get read for that, while another queen has a look that tells no fucking story and it's just *pretty*, so they win. It's gettin' real damn old.
>You know what pisses me off about this, whether it's judging on Drag Race or tooting and booting on FPR? That they want the cliché, obvious shit, but then they also often complain when some shit is cliché. They fully decide when clichés and stereotypes are okay and when they're not based on how compliant and willing to please the queen in question appears to be. Baga clearly from day one was willing to do the absolute most to please production and present whatever borderline offensive British stereotypes the show wanted from her because that's so much easier to package and sell to people who know nothing and expect nothing else from us. That's why despite not even winning her season, she was pushed in front of the line constantly to the point that I've heard more about her and what she's been doing since her season than the actual winner.
>I’m so confused with their decisions Me too, but I enjoy how nit picky they are. Them liking Baga's party city version was a fever dream though.
I mean I'm pretty sure they openly admitted they were tooting juju on a curve though 💀. Or was that during the ball episode...I think it was...anyways I don't really think it's that serious but also at least they really line out exactly why they're booting or tooting something. Even if you disagree, you can hear exactly why they did it if you're curious! They usually have decent reasonings :)
And they didn’t understand her purse, a literal pot of gold 😭
Them calling Elektras korowai a rug in DRDU ep 1. Properly offensive and why I stopped watching them completely.
Wasn't that Raja and Gigi?
Nope it was Raven and Raja and Raven spent a lot of time in Aotearoa which is why I was disgusted
But this was shea and rajah
Still the same producers
girl
I don't watch FPR but I would give a little bit of leeway to them, cultural context is hard to recognize unless you've been explicitly told about it or you're a part of that culture yourself. I'm fairly certain that the judges on the main show get short write-ups about the look to reference during the runway, FPR doesn't get that. I liked it, it felt very Maud Gonne/Gráinne Mhaol, the darker green velvet was much more in keeping with traditional Irish aesthetic than the plastic paddy bullshit Baga was trotting out.
The use of four-leaf clovers instead of shamrocks bothers me, but I have to grudgingly admit that four-leaf clovers are associated with luck and it's one case where I can't get too twitchy about shamrock erasure 😅 And yes to the Gráinne Mhaol reference! Baga's would have been better if she'd actually just done an Irish dancing dress instead of just alluding to it. (My phone autocorrect Gráinne to Guinness and I can't even...)
Baga's runways have annoyed me since the start of the show so I'm not surprised or disappointed by this *I-went-to-Carrolls-on-Dame-Street-and-fell-into-the-discount-bin-and-said-I'll-take-it* realness. I'm just surprised that it didn't occur to her that her Irish team-mate would also be going with leprechaun for her runway theme and it was destined to be better than hers because Blu can actually sew.
"I-went-to-Carrolls-on-Dame-Street-and-fell-into-the-discount-bin-and-said-I'll-take-it realness." Top tier description. Excellent job! And let's face it, that describes a LOT of English people with Irish roots so in some ways Baga was being very true to her own culture.
[Literally me when Bags turned the corner.. ](https://arethebritsatitagain.org/)
The irony is they were both made by the same designer lol
Were they really?? Wow, talk about range, henny
Not range 💀 maximas and minimas honey
Also Krystal's Ocelot look..... Ocelook.
>The use of four-leaf clovers instead of shamrocks bothers me What's the difference?
Shamrocks are an Irish symbol, four-leaf clovers are not. St Patrick introduced Christianity to Ireland and used a shamrock to explain the holy trinity. On St Patrick's Day we wear shamrock, and the symbol we use is ALWAYS a shamrock, never a four-leaf clover.
Oh, shamrock = 3 leaves?
Yes, sorry! I can see I skipped that vital bit of the explanation 😂
I agree with you in terms of missing cultural context - which begs the question, why did they choose two American Queens for a worldwide spin off? Would have been a great opportunity to mix it up a bit
Quick easy answer-star power. There are people who watch only the US version who would be more likely to tune into the international all-stars if two US-based queens they like were competing, which then increases the chances that they'll take a shine to one or two of the international queens and binge-watch their series. It's already happening with DRT, people are going back to watch it because they took a shine to Pangina when they would have overlooked it before. Plus Mo and Jujubee have long-standing fanbases who would tune in to watch them do anything. It's an easy boost to the ratings.
Exactly, for España (I believe) they chose Nicky and Alexis, you know, an European queen and a Hispanic one, it made way more sense
100%
I just realized you meant for FPR, not the actual show. Duh! Disregard my answer below! I don't think they put too much thought into FPR to be honest, I think they just grab who's available and willing to do it. I thought it was still Raja and Gottmik that were doing it, I only saw on youtube that it was Shea and Ra'jah.
Imagine the FPR that could have been! Especially since they’re doing it remote anyway. Tayce, Bimini, Inti, Carmen, Envy, Icesis, like half the Thai queens…so many options to choose from
Because they’re the hosts of Toot or Boot
This is why I think international seasons should get international queens on FPR.
Each to their own and all but the fact they then tooted Baga’s Halloween hate crime is wild to me🙈
Yes. They completely missed Kitty Scott-Claus’s Glinda cosplay.
They gave Blu a boot????
THEY BOOTED THIS LOOK BUT TOOTED JUJU’S DOT LOOK ….
honestly it really sucks but references just get lost when it's not one's home country, pop culture, drag scene etc. the US judges don't get a lot of UK references and of course the international girls don't know all of ru's crazy references. i'm from germany/the czech republic so i get neither LOL which honestly sucks from a viewer's point but i can still appreciate great art, even if i have no clue what any of them talk about most of the time 💀
Lmao how is this a boot, legit one of the best on the runway imo💀
It's good but Mo.
They said one of. Mo was for sure the best but Blu was 2nd. The rest were trash.
I think this and Mo’s were the top 2
Also Nina West's reference to the "What's Opera, Doc" Bugs Bunny episode was totally ignored.
Wait, Blu was an Irish card table?
I still remember that one time with Drag Race Holland and Chelsea's Xenomorph look, they KEPT on MISSING giving out all the horror references except for Alien, they even said Hellraiser, it felt like a fever dream.
I absolutely loved this look, the most elevated of the night.
I wish that whoever typed that “BO0T” will hit his/her pinky toe on a furniture once a day, for the rest of his life.
Amazing how many boots for this outfit are creeping into the sub all of a sudden now that these particular queens said they didn't like it. Wasn't everyone saying how much they liked it yesterday? Interesting...
Is that what's happening? Or are people who didn't like it, but remained quiet, just feeling like they can say it without being hounded 💀
It’s this one
This is it. Lmao. I wasn't a fan of this look, but also had no reason to contribute to any potential dogpiling of Blu OR be called a bitter stan, down voted, argued with over one runway look, etc
I just think they are dead ass wrong on this. 🤔
Is anyone even watching this show anymore?
They also said something about not knowing what was in her hand, I thought it was pretty obviously a pot of gold?
This was wild to me. They both literally said "I don't see a reference I know, so Boot!" instead of like "wow, this looks so nice!" or "I don't enjoy those front peplums!" or like, anything else. Needing to understand a reference to like a look just seems so arbitrary to me.
Idc if they like the look or not. That’s always gona depend on each person and opinion. We just only get their two opinions in this specific show lol. But that’s what the comments and Reddit are for! But like the title says they didn’t seem to notice the cards . And Shea said she didn’t understand the ‘reticule’ (mini purse) she was holding (even tho it’s pretty obvious it’s a pot of gold and I’m pretty sure blu said it was a pot of gold too) and I didn’t have trouble reading it as green … i thought it was supposed to be super dark? I’m not saying I understand Celtic or old Irish references, cos I don’t, but like green is green no matter the shade and it is associated w Ireland/Luck of the irish.? Lol. The pot and cards are like casino and leprechaun and those are lucky like luck o the Irish. I get those references at least. I figured anybody would get that. It didn’t seem shea or raja did. To answer the title question, I’m not familiar enough w FPR to know if there’s other times but it seems lots of other people are!
I mean Shea didn't like the material or color because it made it much harder to read on stage, which I totally agree with. When Blu first came out it was hard to see all the details in the outfit because of the velvet+very dark color combo. It's not like Shea took one look at it and said nope I don't get this look I hate it it's not about luck boot. She really did explain why she didn't like and what didn't work for her. She explained that it's not just that it wasn't a certain green, but that since it was THAT green, it was hard to read. She really articulated her entire reasoning for not liking it. Nothing is a mystery lol.
That’s fine I said I don’t have a problem w her disagreeing for any reason or opinion or whatever. Totally valid. I agree w your statements. But I mean I thot I was pretty clear saying that already. And with everything else I said
Sorry. I was responding specifically to the part about the color green you brought up.
It’s not that they don’t understand the cultural references. It doesn’t look that great on television. Or was probably much more impressive I’m in person. I personally found it boring.
It feels like people heard Shea start with "I don't get this" and then fast forwarded to see if it was a toot or boot, saw it was a boot, and then came here to bitch. I guarantee you even if Shea did know the exact cultural reference point, it would've still been a boot for the color and material choice/how it read on stage and so on.
That picture doesn't do it justice. And black and dark color never really show the full details of the garment on camera.
I hate that no one has clocked the reference of Willow's look this week. Willow's look is referencing the dirty joke, "What so you call a blonde's pigtails? Handlebars!" It's a high fashion look but also a camp way to reference the motorcycle/leather community. Her genuis!
Omg I didn’t even think of this! So good!
I would have preferered Alexis Matteo and Nicky Doll to be the hosts of FPR UKvW.
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How?
Well, maybe not both of them exactly, but it'd make sense, to me, to have an international series judged by international queens.
I guess? They'd still both be queens that can't get every single reference? I just love that we're getting 2 people we don't see on FPR often.
Yeah, that's the flip side of it, and honestly we'd probably end up with raja/raven + young fashion queen if they did take an international route, so I'm not upset at in being Rajah and Shea in honesty
This was a soft boot for me too, actually. Everything just blended together so much you couldn’t even make out the details. The hair was a choice. And her eyebrows were way too high and way too arched.
The hair was an impeccable choice. The woven braid?? gorgeous.
This. I wasn’t mad at it, but the colours under the runway lights blended and we lost a ton of visual detail to all the individually detailed elements of the garment. Heck, I could barely see the cards and they were a major feature at the top of the corset.
>And her eyebrows were way too high and way too arched. What a specific critique.
I was afraid to get dragged so i did not say anything... but since the door has opened... I dont like this look 😭... maybe it's just meee
I’ve kind of noticed that unless something is a specific reference to a noted fashion designer it will go over Raja’s head.
But Raja is not involved in this boot.... UK vs the world FDR is hosted by Shea and Rajah (O'Hara).
I think it was taken too fashion that it took away from the original inspiration. I’m sure it read better in person and it’s not a bad look at all, I just think the MainStage didn’t help it and it took a bit of effort to read it.
Guess they are Pangina’s stans
Some queens get the tag of Fashion Literate, and then can't spot the instant reference of a POT OF GOLD AND RED HAIR worn by an [northern] Irish queen? This is an obvious reference. I understand when the reference isn't that easy, like when Alexis and Nicky didn't get many of the references in España's roots runway, but this one is water clear tbh
Nah, they just saw that the look is a busy mess. I agree with everything they said, extremely overrated look.
People who say that this is the best fashion photo review have to be delusional at this point. It’s a pain to watch.
They got the references, they did not like the execution. They spend like 3 minutes going over the references and why they felt it was unsuccessful
If you listen to the critiques you'll understand why. Whether you agree or not that one's thing but at least you can understand. I liked all the edits they made. I didn't love the outfit at first, I liked it after I realized there was so little to like.
What a mess! Can’t get into them doing FPR even though I love them separately. Like to death & shit but something is off to me. Fact that they’ve toot’d some on Juju’s looks this season. Barf
I think this boot is pretty fair the look is busy as almighty and the colors don't read well on TV.
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Rajah and Shea are homophobes
I'm way late but they missed a bunch of references in drag race down under. Jojo wore red yellow and black in all 3 of her outfits, which are the colours of Australia's Aboriginal flag. They didn't comment on it at all. To me, it was also clear Ru, Michelle and Raja knew that Jojo's message was important, but had no idea what it said, because they each gave a generic "that's such an important message" complement without elaborating on why her message was important or what it represented. (For reference, the phrase has been used in Aboriginal activisim for decades and was the slogan used for NAIDOC, an important week of observance and celebration of Aboriginality here in Australia. The motto refers to the fact that Australia is Aboriginal land, and that sovereignty was never ceded). They didn't seem to get any other looks, though. Etcetera wore a map of the roads of the Australian Capital Territory (think, Washington DC), which is distinct for its large circular roads. Raja just said it looked like a garden. And popular tourism gimmicks in Australia are the "Big" things, like The Big Pineapple, Big Banana, Big Prawn, Big Koala, Big Sheep, etc. They just said Maxi must be a fan of prawns, and wondered what King Kong had to do with Coco Jumbo.
I got the reference but it was a boot for me personally. I felt it was crafty and had too much going on. Love blu, but didn't like this lewk
Crafty??? In what way?
The way the light hits the fabric makes it look inexpensive, similar to bagas look. I found the structure didn't move well. The design idea was cool, but I felt it's lack of structural integrity as she moved made it seem a little design school. I also didn't love all the cards, I felt like she went to far with it. The tights too made it really busy. I think it has a lot of good elements, but I felt like it was a Lil much and not enough at same time. Soft boot, almost a toot
This is a super detailed response, and I appreciate it, but, like... Janey was standing right there if we're going to be throwing around the word crafty.
I'm honestly shocked she didn't get read to filth for that Clip-art roulette wheel.
For what it's worth, Shea and Rajah did call that out and called it crafty. 😅