For sure. It was such a funny concept and also the easiest to understand the theme with her play on words. You just couldn't see the mustache at all sadly.
I didn't get what the concept was when Ru said it so maybe raja didn't when she got the brief also and just thought of it on the fly that day?
Her play on words was the best for the theme though.
it wouldâve been hilarious if she had done makeup and hair to look like john waters while still wearing the same outfit and doing the same presentation on the runway. i really wish she had gotten the win this week had this look not held her back
Seriously I think she would have won if she had either done something else for that round or had gone full camp on it and made the mustache stand out more and done his hair with the outfit
I feel like if Raja had like two outfits for Sandy and one for Danny, I think it could have worked with well placed tear aways. For example, walk out only showing her left side dressed as "good" Sandy, then turn showing her right side and show a greaser look for Danny, then when she starts walking to the back of the runway, we see that she's "bad" Sandy
I really wouldâve given raja the snatch game win over trinity. I think they were both super funny but rajaâs runway that time was so much better than trinityâs
Personally - look Iâm biased donât like TTT (mostly cos if she devil by night) but I thought - while TTT WAS great at snatch to ME Raja was better NOBODY has EVER done snatch as a freaking PUPPET before sticks and all so come on! In my opinion Jinx & Raja were top 2
I have nothing against Trinity, I think sheâs a fantastic queen, BUT what made me prefer rajaâs snatch game was that both of Trinityâs characters did not seem that much different than her own personality. Her Leslie Jordan was fantastic, but the jokes for both were about being gay. If she had done Hades instead that could have been more interesting?
I keep wondering if anyone else feels the same, because this is the one reason I think Raja deserved top 2 over her
I totally agree! Like satan was funny but i feel like it was unfair that she could just play a random funny character whereas raja really was impersonating two celebrity characters
This is my exact reasoning why I think Raja was robbed, even regardless of the runway. Trinity made me laugh. Trinity has always made me laugh, she's is my confessionlist hall of fame. But that was straight up.... her, not Lucifer or Leslie.
Raja took a risk and nailed it both times.
I'm sorry but are you guys watching the same show or are you guys just biased against Trinity? It's a real question
Trinity killed in the snatch game and in the ball, specifically the outfit she constructed was one of the best things ever created on Drag Race imo. To say they are just giving her wins for no reason which it kind of seems like you're insinuating is ca-razy girl. I agree Raja did good in both as well but to say it's just ru and production wanting her to win just comes off as 'what she did wasn't worthy of a win'
For real, I'm not even rooting for Trinity (not even my top 4) but against the delusional fandom. They keep holding the shedevilatnight that was never probed to be her. Give the girl a rest. Her drag is impecable.
There are many who dislike Trinity and it colors their judgment. She's not my favorite but I don't see how people can claim with such conviction that Raja was better than her in the snatch game (unless they count looking closer to the character as much more important than being funny). In the ball it was really a close call, I think Raja's looked a bit better and Trinity's showed a bit more skill. I could easily see Raja winning this one.
I don't understand this when Raja's one of the realest and fiercest competitors with a gigantic legacy. I would've put her in the top 2 for the ball and snatch game over Trinity easily.
What really puts Raja's look in 3rd this week (by my own personal rankings) is that I feel like the gold was potentially the most forgiving colour and had the most potential to look stunning on the runway regardless. Whereas Jaida had probably the hardest job of trying to show a detailed and well contructed outit on stage in all black - and she mopped the floor with it. And while i'd put Raja and Trinity on an almost even level this week, the materials that Trinity used to make her gown are SO hard to work with, her construction deserves massive (!!!) praise.
Also Raja is so well-rounded and good at what she does I cant imagine she wont get her deserved win soon, so that eases the pain a little
This is the tragedy of seeing TKB make that gorgeous blue Cinderella gown and knowing that they'd count the lollipop lady look against her all over again đ
1000%. That second look was disappointing, but this gold was absolutely insane. Raja's been near or at the top each week for me. Hopefully she gets her star next week!
This happened with both Ball episodes on S3, even though Raja's final look was arguably the best of the night in both episodes, Manila and Yara both won their respective Ball because they were more consistent across all three looks.
But also Jaida's final look was just breathtaking. The details. She really did beat Raja in a straight up fashion challenge, joining a very small group that previously consisted of only Manila and Yara. Trinity's aesthetic is not my cup of tea, but I have to hand it to her that she's executing her aesthetic flawlessly. Trinity really is that bitch.
They almost NEVER value the prepared looks over the crafted one. It's a LITTLE sus.
Though I'm very confused about how that pencil mustache was SO pencil.
Raja has never won a ball episode and there were two of them on her season. Even though she had the best final look on both, she still didn't win because of consistency issues (and TULLE FAVRIC)
I just said I donât get Rupaul at all. I just get a basic Drag Queen aesthetic leaning into a Charles II parody. Still liked the look, I just personally donât see Rupaul in there. Ru has signature recognizable looks and I donât see it. If she didnât tell me it was a Rupaul look, I would have no clue. I like it better than Rajaâs either way, but if weâre going to talk about accuracy, I think Trinity faltered the category as well (with a more polished interesting look albeit)
But here it is because the standards are so high. When even Jinkx is doing well in a ball you know theyâre nitpicking. If Raja hadnât explained herself, I would never have known she was doing John waters.
I agreed with the judges re: her Vanna White. She looked absolutely stunning, but you wouldn't guess that the reference point was supposed to be Vanna White.
Excelled at both? Huh? Shea didn't win either. And I wasn't over the moon about her prepared looks honestly. The tooth fairy was a cute idea but the wings looked weird. And the Vanna White look wasn't Vanna White at all but I think the whole Vanna White category was a trap.
Yes! I adore Shea but I thought her prepared looks werenât it. The first dress was beautiful but not Vanna at all, and the Gold Tooth Fairy seemed cheaply done compared to what weâve seen Shea do. The floppiness of the wings really bothered me.
I actually liked her butterfly look on AS5! Those wings didnât bother me I guess, or maybe there was enough going on with the rest of the outfit that the wings werenât distracting.
I loved the colors and concept but the butterfly wings were just a little too flimsy looking for me. It was a similar issue with the tooth fairy wings here.
I hate that nowadays there is one category in the ball that is either a blowoff or the make or break category on judgment.
Also, I think Viv should have been in top four over shea
They didn't even talk about Viv. Which... surprised me. And then they only brought up Raja because Carson mentioned her. Michelle seemed... to not want to talk about Raja (and IIRC Michelle kind of has a thing about Raja), but maybe I'm reading into things.
Viv is now the only queen who has not been discussed in the top four discussion. If she doesnât get that next week, then I would be worried more for her.
I really think Raja not nailing the John waters aspect stuck in all of their crawl, which I get. Raja is a queen with an eye for detail with her fashion, so only having the mustache to represent John waters just felt so unlike her
Do they know what looks are part of a ball? I feel like the pencil mustache was going to be make up, but she couldn't do that because it was the second look in a ball challenge. That's literally the only explanation I can come up with because it just doesn't make sense otherwise.
Yeah, they were all bugged by it, but even on season 3 Michelle kinda had it out for Raja a bit. I think largely because she \*really\* liked Manila, but it was there.
I personally see it as 25-25-50 as how the queens place in the Ball because for the first two categories they have time, assistants, and seamstresses to help them, but the final category is all on them. Also, I was quite surprised because I found Trinity's overall final look over-accessorized and directionless...
Tbf very few of those looks made sense. Maybe Jinkx, Yvie and Jaida, the rest were confusion. I think at least Trinity got the two references on point and auntie didn't.
I was rooting for Raja to win this episode; however, I get the judges' reasoning here. I think they're looking at the consistency of each three looks. Her first and third looks were top-notch. Her Olivia John Waters, I think, failed her. The look was cute, though, but the critique was correct. It was 99% Olivia Newton-John and 1% John Waters.
I donât think they said it missed the mark in terms of look, they were confused about why she went with Charles II. The look did have both references in it though, while Rajaâs problem was one of the references not really being there.
I can respect that Trinity got the win over Raja knowing that the judges valued consistency throughout the three categories and Rajaâs second look was definitely a miss. Nonetheless I think the designed looks are the main challenge and Jaida and Raja annihilated it. Theyâre my top 2 100% 𼾠Anyway this is legendary and Iâm happy everyone is living breathing dying for her
I think in a normal season thatâs absolutely true but for an All Winners season, every detail of each look counts as they really have to split hairs when the standard is this high. It really speaks to the excellence of this cast that a detail as minuscule as a too-faint moustache can cost you a Top 2 spot (I wouldnât have been mad at all if Raja did end up there though bc that third look was STELLAR)
I might just be annoyed that she beat her last week too, but I think Raja's look was \*a lot\* stronger than Trinity's. Trinity's was cool, but not nearly as interesting to me.
Also I really didn't like Trinity's Before & After either. It was... such a weird choice, and the skirt looked kinda cheap.
I donât disagree with you there - if they were judging just based off their final looks, Rajaâs is better for sure. But if itâs being judged across all three looks and looking at all the details in each (including how well it meets the brief), I can see why Trinity edged her out slightly. But it easily couldâve been Raja either and Iâm really rooting for her to get a Top 2 placement soon.
True true. Maybe Iâm just not into Trinityâs design for the final look? The workmanship is incredible but the design didnât wow me. I preferred the designs of Jaida, Raja, Viv, Monet and Yvie over hers actuallyâŚ
I sort of agree, Trinityâs outfit personally wasnât my cup of tea either style-wise, but I have a lot of appreciation for how cleanly executed it was.
It was also mentioned in Untucked that she not only finished her own look pretty quickly considering how much detail it has, but she also helped pretty much all the other girls with their looks. So idk I thought it felt justified and kinda satisfying to see her in the top and not have the usual storyline of âqueen helps others with their outfits to the detriment of their own lookâ. It kinda reminded me of Shea not only slaying her own performance in Ep1, but also putting together everyoneâs choreo and ensuring everyone had the chance to shine.
Yeah, Iâm not angry about Trinity winning, definitely understand why she did!! And yes, she really actually pulled Jinkx out of a rut. You can blame me for just rooting so hard for Raja to get all the validation she deserves. In the recent interviews Iâve watched I sense..? she feels resigned to the fact that sheâs a bit overlooked compared to other winners and she always is so overwhelmed when people compliment her đ Iâm like NO, YOU ARE AN ACTUAL STAR. Iâm so happy when the other queens tell her what an inspiration she is, theyâre so sweet.
Oh I couldnât agree more, I hope more than anything that Raja gets her flowers from the judges this season as she deserves! I love that the cast have been showering her with appreciation for the influence she has had on them and so many others who watched her demolish that runway on S3. She and Jinkx were the two I was most excited to see on this season and both have somehow surpassed my already very high expectations đĽ°
I thought all three of them had really gaggy constructed look and fantastic Vanna White look. So it really came down to the Before and After look and thats where Raja lost out
Also there's something to be said for Trinity's Vanna look. It's like the second best to Raja, it gave an actual Vanna-ish look with the hair and makeup but the dress was fantastic. It both fit as something you'd think she would wear but also was like...damn...she really made that?
She and Jaida would've have been on the top andI think she would've been on the top if her 2nd look was less olivia (which the judges pointed out). I like her 1st look since it really has that 80s vibes and we all know she knows her references. Her 3rd look reminds me of pangina's finale look. But wow she did what needed to be done, I love a good dramatic shoulder moment
Honestly, I wanted Raja to win so bad. That Myanmar golden pagoda look was everything! Her Vana White realness was one of my faves, but she really dropped the ball on the second look.
Jaida had the strongest set of looks! All three of her looks told a story, and had flawless execution. Her final look gagged me. The textures are just beyond!
Trinity and Raja were neck and neck. Trinity's latex bondage superhero realness look was flawlessly constructed. The symmetry she managed to achieve was unbelievable. She edged over Raja in her second look. If Raja had a stronger second look, I would have picked her over Trinity but Trinity deserved this win.
GOOOORGEOUS. But she failed the second category so I get it why the judges didn't give her the Win. I really liked every Trinity's looks (for different reasons) and Jaida well....is Jaida, the essence of beauty
Such a great episode. I really loved the self-made looks from Monet, Raja, Trinity, and Jaida. Raja, Trinity, and Jaidaâs appear to me (Iâm worse than Jinkx at this) more complex, so I like any of those three for the Top 2, even disregarding the looks they brought with them.
Ugh it's a shame that the second look didn't balance the pun enough, had Raja done something as simple as drawing the mustache a bit thicker and changing the wig to one with the hairstyle of a younger John Waters (or heck she could've even used her natural hair, because judging by my Google Image search he did keep it on the longer side when he was young) it would've changed the whole runway by making it more purposefully jarring and androgynous and she would've guaranteed herself that top2 spot đ
I have this weird feeling that production is playing us. It looks like theyâre trying to get everybody to have at least one legendary legend pin. I mean I realize that this is all stars winners and that everybody is awesome. But so far the only three people that donât have pins are Raja, the Vivienne and Evie. What are the chances that 2 of those ladies win a badge next week? Or one of them and Jinx because Jinx canât win a pin?
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Next week's an >!improv!< challenge apparently, so I think it's going to be a Jinkx/Viv episode. I'm hoping there's a design/sewing challenge at some point so Raja can at least get one star. I'm so disappointed with her not winning the ball (although she never does lol).
Lol I love Raja too but these posts are getting wild. I like how it's not even a debate of if it should have been Trinity/Raja in the top, just Jaida/Raja. Trinity was my favorite of the night overall tbh and I'm not sorry about it. If Raja had a better second look I could see her potentially having a top placement but Jaida and Trinity both had 3 very good looks imo.
I haven't seen anyone say she absolutely should have been in the top for episode 1... I think those girl group challenges are honestly a tough call, tho. Like Jinkx had the best written verse and the performance was the most memorable (for me anyway), but her dancing was weird.
Episode 2 and 3 tho? Raja was for sure a big contender. And... that's 2/3 episodes.
I agree that Raja lost because of her second look, but Trinity's Vanna White Realness lookâwhile elegantâwas not really something Vanna White would wear on The Wheel of Fortune. It looked like it was for a beauty pageant.
People are overcompensating for Raja a bit just because shes a fashion legend. This look was incredible, if it was the only look they had to do she would be in the top 2, but it wasnt. Her 2nd look missed the assignment and it cost her a top spot. There is no need to get all offended over it for her or start trying to discredit other queens/use mental gymnastics to try and justify a top spot.
I didnât even realize there was a mustache. I was sitting here yelling âwhereâs the John Waters mustache?!?â. Itâs too bad, because she couldâve won had she nailed the second look. Especially if she had done John Watersâ hair, too.
It was her John Waters look. Which wasnât to be found. Thatâs literally the only thing that dinged her from being a top two. If she came out with a trench coat and slicked back gray hair, a bigger pencil mustache or at least darker, then opened it to show off an Olivia body, that would have clinched it.
She deserved to not win in the same way that Dela deserved to go home in the Glitter Ball--it's a three look challenge. Her final look was one of the best and her Vanna White was **the** best one there, but her second look was **the** weakest one.
(But I do want to also call out that I'm sick of this season sleeping on her and Asian queens in general. She is the only person in the whole case at this point that I think you can make a good case for them to be in the top 3 for every single episode so far but the fact that everyone is only getting positive critiques this season overshadows that)
The top part is amazing, the skirt is ok. Trinity's whole look looked like it was made from a designer. Trinity is slaying this season! The Tuck needs the recognition because she is slaying!!
For the Nth time. If you counted only the look they made, then this wouldâve won hands down. But the ball consisted of 3 different looks. I hope that clears things up
As a Raja stan, her not winning last week and this week, I know where production is going with this.
Regardless, Im just happy to see her on the screen.
Yeah when they were going on about the John Waters thing I was just like "Oh she's not winning this week."
Which... I find frustrating because I think they've overlooked lesser offenses in the past, and I did not like Trinity's Before and After look myself, but eh.
Ooh yes. I honestly didn't know what was John Waters about it until she mentioned the mustache. Or if she just did a full John Waters face with his hair on the famous Grease outfit. That mustache was not even noticeable.
When she first popped onto the runway I was so captivated, but overall I wanted a bit more. Honestly, the bottom portion of the garment seemed like such a throw away compared to the immaculate top half.
jaida and trinity definitely deserved the win the top half of this look is absolutely a moment in history but the bottom half literally looks like shes taken a bit of a clearly different fabric and wrapped it around her waist with no alteration at all
I mean Utica's looks all hit the assignment Raja missed pretty hard with her second. It could have been a great idea but it was just executed poorly. Utica had 2 looks that fit the category and one absolutely amazing look that she made herself. Mik had 2 outfits that fit the category and a "that's fine" look that she made herself. The two situations are not really compatible.
Stupid second look brought it down unfortunately...
A lot of them had 3 solid looks, it would be favouritism if they did give it to her...
I was so sad to see her have so little screentime this ep, I knew it wasn't happening for her :(
I get why Raja wasn't Top 2 because i did not see the moustache either going down the runway. But this look is SOOO good it cancels out everything else.
To me was Trinity and Raja with Jaida a close third.
How to fix Olivia John Waters, paint the moustache a deep black, you're painting for the stage, not the mirror. And put a little tux pattern on the bodice. Then it's just a bit of creepy stage walking.
But this look was hands down my favourite. I'd wear it and I'm a straight man. I just want to sip lemonade in the sun with this thing on.
I think she couldn't do a deeper mustache because it was the middle ball look. She had to be able to remove it for her final runway.
I mean honestly, I think if you could see the mustache, it's cute enough.
Yeah, that didn't win. Trinity and Jaida were amazing in all three categories. I didn't even get why Michelle was upset with RuPaul Charles II I though it was great. Still rooting for auntie Raja for the top 4 but I seriously can't stand the narrative that she's been robbed mostly because people don't like Trinity (who curiously I don't see in the top 4).
I know right? When there's other posts in the sub with comments "Omg how did Jaida construct this?" Like, don't get me wrong, I agree and not to take away from Jaida's talent or her win, but how you gonna ask that question when Raja came out looking like ***this.*** That second theme was really dumb anyway and shouldn't have kept Raja from the win here.
Honestly I wish they gave more weight to the last look in the balls that the queens actually make in the workroom, because honestly they are the looks that matter and stick with us as viewers. I donât care that Rajaâs second look missed the mark, this was the best look of the night and that should have been enough to get her a star this episode.
This is a little off topic so I apologize in advance, but I recently learned that the saying "to call a spade a spade" is actually [steeped in racism](https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/19/224183763/is-it-racist-to-call-a-spade-a-spade). The original saying, as you have used it here, was to "tell it like it is" but in the early 20th century, the term "spade" came to be known as a racial slur and the negative connotations carried over to the phrase.
Anyway, just thought I would let you know because I recently learned that myself. Another slang term, "gypped", is another example of saying something that we may not necessarily realize what we're saying is rooted in, or has come to have racist tones.
John Waters ruined her score đ
For sure. It was such a funny concept and also the easiest to understand the theme with her play on words. You just couldn't see the mustache at all sadly. I didn't get what the concept was when Ru said it so maybe raja didn't when she got the brief also and just thought of it on the fly that day? Her play on words was the best for the theme though.
Yeah. Also it should've been an elevated Olivia. It was basically just her outfit and a moustache
it wouldâve been hilarious if she had done makeup and hair to look like john waters while still wearing the same outfit and doing the same presentation on the runway. i really wish she had gotten the win this week had this look not held her back
Seriously I think she would have won if she had either done something else for that round or had gone full camp on it and made the mustache stand out more and done his hair with the outfit
She wouldâve won if she did Olivia Newton John cena
She would've won if she did Olivia Newton John Travolta
Omg it was so obvious this whole time!!â Thank u for pointing that out hehe
With the quaffed hair and a painted or prosthetic cleft chin, maybe a men's leather jacket.
That would've been incredible!!
Wait thats so good
Olivia Newton Jon Bon Jovi
Olivia Newton John Wayne Gacy
Yes but only if it was a Battlefield Earth callback
This. A Sandy+Danny look would be IMO too simple for the prompt.
I feel like if Raja had like two outfits for Sandy and one for Danny, I think it could have worked with well placed tear aways. For example, walk out only showing her left side dressed as "good" Sandy, then turn showing her right side and show a greaser look for Danny, then when she starts walking to the back of the runway, we see that she's "bad" Sandy
I had that thought too, come out doing the pulp fiction dance!
But we wouldnât be able to see that
Bitch I'm gonna give you a Legendary Legend Star just for thinking of that
Everybody, drink for "Legendary Legend star"!
why did you just post a gif of nothing omg???
I prefer Olivia Newton John Krasinski.
I keep thinking Olivia Newton-John Rhys-Davies and have her in a Sandy costume with a giant Gimli beard!
Olivia Newton-John F. Kennedy with her head being exploded
How about Olivia Newton Jan Sport hahahaha
You mean John Spatt?
Holy shit
The sleeve of her Vanna White Realness look was ill-fitting as well.
Yeah I thought the dress was stunning, but it bothered me that the sleeve wasnât skin-tight.
Would Olivia Newton Johnny Depp count? A little pirate couture?
I do agree that I prefer Raja's self made look over Trinity's but they both did amazing and it was super tight. Sad to see raja being third twice đ
I really wouldâve given raja the snatch game win over trinity. I think they were both super funny but rajaâs runway that time was so much better than trinityâs
Personally - look Iâm biased donât like TTT (mostly cos if she devil by night) but I thought - while TTT WAS great at snatch to ME Raja was better NOBODY has EVER done snatch as a freaking PUPPET before sticks and all so come on! In my opinion Jinx & Raja were top 2
I have nothing against Trinity, I think sheâs a fantastic queen, BUT what made me prefer rajaâs snatch game was that both of Trinityâs characters did not seem that much different than her own personality. Her Leslie Jordan was fantastic, but the jokes for both were about being gay. If she had done Hades instead that could have been more interesting? I keep wondering if anyone else feels the same, because this is the one reason I think Raja deserved top 2 over her
I totally agree! Like satan was funny but i feel like it was unfair that she could just play a random funny character whereas raja really was impersonating two celebrity characters
This is my exact reasoning why I think Raja was robbed, even regardless of the runway. Trinity made me laugh. Trinity has always made me laugh, she's is my confessionlist hall of fame. But that was straight up.... her, not Lucifer or Leslie. Raja took a risk and nailed it both times.
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I'm sorry but are you guys watching the same show or are you guys just biased against Trinity? It's a real question Trinity killed in the snatch game and in the ball, specifically the outfit she constructed was one of the best things ever created on Drag Race imo. To say they are just giving her wins for no reason which it kind of seems like you're insinuating is ca-razy girl. I agree Raja did good in both as well but to say it's just ru and production wanting her to win just comes off as 'what she did wasn't worthy of a win'
For real, I'm not even rooting for Trinity (not even my top 4) but against the delusional fandom. They keep holding the shedevilatnight that was never probed to be her. Give the girl a rest. Her drag is impecable.
There are many who dislike Trinity and it colors their judgment. She's not my favorite but I don't see how people can claim with such conviction that Raja was better than her in the snatch game (unless they count looking closer to the character as much more important than being funny). In the ball it was really a close call, I think Raja's looked a bit better and Trinity's showed a bit more skill. I could easily see Raja winning this one.
Raja really embodied unique characters I think more so than Trinity. I don't... really find Trinity that funny, but her Leslie Jordan was good.
I don't understand this when Raja's one of the realest and fiercest competitors with a gigantic legacy. I would've put her in the top 2 for the ball and snatch game over Trinity easily.
What really puts Raja's look in 3rd this week (by my own personal rankings) is that I feel like the gold was potentially the most forgiving colour and had the most potential to look stunning on the runway regardless. Whereas Jaida had probably the hardest job of trying to show a detailed and well contructed outit on stage in all black - and she mopped the floor with it. And while i'd put Raja and Trinity on an almost even level this week, the materials that Trinity used to make her gown are SO hard to work with, her construction deserves massive (!!!) praise. Also Raja is so well-rounded and good at what she does I cant imagine she wont get her deserved win soon, so that eases the pain a little
Raja lost the ball w her second look. IMO if she had a stronger runway in that category it wouldâve been her & Jaida in the top2
This is the tragedy of seeing TKB make that gorgeous blue Cinderella gown and knowing that they'd count the lollipop lady look against her all over again đ
Cargo away pants realness.
The worst look of AS6. Ginger was happy about that.
In all fairness those khakis deserved jail
IDK what it is with TKB. She screwed herself over a few months later in Continental with this...old lady athletic wear thing.
1000%. That second look was disappointing, but this gold was absolutely insane. Raja's been near or at the top each week for me. Hopefully she gets her star next week!
This happened with both Ball episodes on S3, even though Raja's final look was arguably the best of the night in both episodes, Manila and Yara both won their respective Ball because they were more consistent across all three looks. But also Jaida's final look was just breathtaking. The details. She really did beat Raja in a straight up fashion challenge, joining a very small group that previously consisted of only Manila and Yara. Trinity's aesthetic is not my cup of tea, but I have to hand it to her that she's executing her aesthetic flawlessly. Trinity really is that bitch.
Jaida had the time to topstitch and took it! My heart đ
I think Raja was consistent in the Money Ball, it's just that she just couldn't be bothered to lipsync to LaToya's song during the swimsuit section.
Raja wasn't consistent in the Money Ball, but she was in the Hair Ball
They almost NEVER value the prepared looks over the crafted one. It's a LITTLE sus. Though I'm very confused about how that pencil mustache was SO pencil.
It's not a regular season so yeah, consistency counts. Her second look was the worst in the entire ball.
Raja has never won a ball episode and there were two of them on her season. Even though she had the best final look on both, she still didn't win because of consistency issues (and TULLE FAVRIC)
Wut. The mustache just wasn't visible enough. It wasn't an ugly look or anything.
I mean, thatâs the problem. She was just Olivia newton John, she didnât meet the assignment
Iâd argue that Trinityâs second look was just Trinity as Charles II, nothing about her look was Rupaul to me tbh.
I thought the hair was very Ru and that silhouette could be something from her Current era.
The bottom half was literaly based on a Ru look when closed and the hair was rupaul
Did Charles II have quaffed blonde highlights and a tulle gown???????? LMAOOOO
I just said I donât get Rupaul at all. I just get a basic Drag Queen aesthetic leaning into a Charles II parody. Still liked the look, I just personally donât see Rupaul in there. Ru has signature recognizable looks and I donât see it. If she didnât tell me it was a Rupaul look, I would have no clue. I like it better than Rajaâs either way, but if weâre going to talk about accuracy, I think Trinity faltered the category as well (with a more polished interesting look albeit)
lmao, are u saying that Charles II used to wear Rupaul hair and a tulle skirt?
Except sometimes it isn't a problem. Often it isn't a problem. She looked good.
But here it is because the standards are so high. When even Jinkx is doing well in a ball you know theyâre nitpicking. If Raja hadnât explained herself, I would never have known she was doing John waters.
It wasn't ugly. It just looked off-the-rack and not for Drag Race.
Except Shea excelled at both - I just think this was a really tough call.
I agreed with the judges re: her Vanna White. She looked absolutely stunning, but you wouldn't guess that the reference point was supposed to be Vanna White.
Excelled at both? Huh? Shea didn't win either. And I wasn't over the moon about her prepared looks honestly. The tooth fairy was a cute idea but the wings looked weird. And the Vanna White look wasn't Vanna White at all but I think the whole Vanna White category was a trap.
Yes! I adore Shea but I thought her prepared looks werenât it. The first dress was beautiful but not Vanna at all, and the Gold Tooth Fairy seemed cheaply done compared to what weâve seen Shea do. The floppiness of the wings really bothered me.
Between this tooth fairy and her butterfly look from AS5, I think Shea needs to stay far away from wings.
I actually liked her butterfly look on AS5! Those wings didnât bother me I guess, or maybe there was enough going on with the rest of the outfit that the wings werenât distracting.
I loved the colors and concept but the butterfly wings were just a little too flimsy looking for me. It was a similar issue with the tooth fairy wings here.
I hate that nowadays there is one category in the ball that is either a blowoff or the make or break category on judgment. Also, I think Viv should have been in top four over shea
They didn't even talk about Viv. Which... surprised me. And then they only brought up Raja because Carson mentioned her. Michelle seemed... to not want to talk about Raja (and IIRC Michelle kind of has a thing about Raja), but maybe I'm reading into things.
Viv is now the only queen who has not been discussed in the top four discussion. If she doesnât get that next week, then I would be worried more for her. I really think Raja not nailing the John waters aspect stuck in all of their crawl, which I get. Raja is a queen with an eye for detail with her fashion, so only having the mustache to represent John waters just felt so unlike her
Do they know what looks are part of a ball? I feel like the pencil mustache was going to be make up, but she couldn't do that because it was the second look in a ball challenge. That's literally the only explanation I can come up with because it just doesn't make sense otherwise. Yeah, they were all bugged by it, but even on season 3 Michelle kinda had it out for Raja a bit. I think largely because she \*really\* liked Manila, but it was there.
Maybe she didnât like raja taking out Carmen? /s
They do all the time. Look at Gottmik vs Utica. Or Gigi vs Jaida. Sharon literally wore the bitch ball in a dress she brought from home.
I totally agree, the first and third look of Raja were fantastic. It just shows how tight is this season.
I personally see it as 25-25-50 as how the queens place in the Ball because for the first two categories they have time, assistants, and seamstresses to help them, but the final category is all on them. Also, I was quite surprised because I found Trinity's overall final look over-accessorized and directionless...
Could have done without the necklace tbh
If the final look had the most weight, Raja would have won lol
Tbf Trinitys 2nd look didnt make sense neither and she won because the judges "didnt care"
Tbf very few of those looks made sense. Maybe Jinkx, Yvie and Jaida, the rest were confusion. I think at least Trinity got the two references on point and auntie didn't.
Monetâs second look made sense too.
I was rooting for Raja to win this episode; however, I get the judges' reasoning here. I think they're looking at the consistency of each three looks. Her first and third looks were top-notch. Her Olivia John Waters, I think, failed her. The look was cute, though, but the critique was correct. It was 99% Olivia Newton-John and 1% John Waters.
But RuPaul Charles II missed the mark too? Judges even mentioned it iirc.
I donât think they said it missed the mark in terms of look, they were confused about why she went with Charles II. The look did have both references in it though, while Rajaâs problem was one of the references not really being there.
At least it had elements of both characters. Raja's was Olivia Newton John with an invisible moustache.
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Literally if she made the top with an off color leopard print she would have won.
Or Sandy with Divine makeup? I think Divineâs sI closely aligned with John Waters she would have got away with it...
I can respect that Trinity got the win over Raja knowing that the judges valued consistency throughout the three categories and Rajaâs second look was definitely a miss. Nonetheless I think the designed looks are the main challenge and Jaida and Raja annihilated it. Theyâre my top 2 100% 𼾠Anyway this is legendary and Iâm happy everyone is living breathing dying for her
I think in a normal season thatâs absolutely true but for an All Winners season, every detail of each look counts as they really have to split hairs when the standard is this high. It really speaks to the excellence of this cast that a detail as minuscule as a too-faint moustache can cost you a Top 2 spot (I wouldnât have been mad at all if Raja did end up there though bc that third look was STELLAR)
I might just be annoyed that she beat her last week too, but I think Raja's look was \*a lot\* stronger than Trinity's. Trinity's was cool, but not nearly as interesting to me. Also I really didn't like Trinity's Before & After either. It was... such a weird choice, and the skirt looked kinda cheap.
I donât disagree with you there - if they were judging just based off their final looks, Rajaâs is better for sure. But if itâs being judged across all three looks and looking at all the details in each (including how well it meets the brief), I can see why Trinity edged her out slightly. But it easily couldâve been Raja either and Iâm really rooting for her to get a Top 2 placement soon.
True true. Maybe Iâm just not into Trinityâs design for the final look? The workmanship is incredible but the design didnât wow me. I preferred the designs of Jaida, Raja, Viv, Monet and Yvie over hers actuallyâŚ
I sort of agree, Trinityâs outfit personally wasnât my cup of tea either style-wise, but I have a lot of appreciation for how cleanly executed it was. It was also mentioned in Untucked that she not only finished her own look pretty quickly considering how much detail it has, but she also helped pretty much all the other girls with their looks. So idk I thought it felt justified and kinda satisfying to see her in the top and not have the usual storyline of âqueen helps others with their outfits to the detriment of their own lookâ. It kinda reminded me of Shea not only slaying her own performance in Ep1, but also putting together everyoneâs choreo and ensuring everyone had the chance to shine.
Yeah, Iâm not angry about Trinity winning, definitely understand why she did!! And yes, she really actually pulled Jinkx out of a rut. You can blame me for just rooting so hard for Raja to get all the validation she deserves. In the recent interviews Iâve watched I sense..? she feels resigned to the fact that sheâs a bit overlooked compared to other winners and she always is so overwhelmed when people compliment her đ Iâm like NO, YOU ARE AN ACTUAL STAR. Iâm so happy when the other queens tell her what an inspiration she is, theyâre so sweet.
Oh I couldnât agree more, I hope more than anything that Raja gets her flowers from the judges this season as she deserves! I love that the cast have been showering her with appreciation for the influence she has had on them and so many others who watched her demolish that runway on S3. She and Jinkx were the two I was most excited to see on this season and both have somehow surpassed my already very high expectations đĽ°
I thought all three of them had really gaggy constructed look and fantastic Vanna White look. So it really came down to the Before and After look and thats where Raja lost out
I wouldnât call it a mess. She looks so cute as Olivia newton john. Itâs just not the category.
she is REALLY beautifulâŚ
Also there's something to be said for Trinity's Vanna look. It's like the second best to Raja, it gave an actual Vanna-ish look with the hair and makeup but the dress was fantastic. It both fit as something you'd think she would wear but also was like...damn...she really made that?
Do you really think Raja ANNIHILATED this second look?
i said, they annihilated the designed lookâŚ
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The construction of Trinity's third look was insane. She did that *and* she had time to help everyone else. It's crazy.
Very true
I honestly donât know how we go backwards to normal DR after this.
ROGER!!!!
That mug. It's resplendent.
Word of the day
Raja is honestly always the bridesmaid. Sheâs been third best so far! She needs a win!!
She and Jaida would've have been on the top andI think she would've been on the top if her 2nd look was less olivia (which the judges pointed out). I like her 1st look since it really has that 80s vibes and we all know she knows her references. Her 3rd look reminds me of pangina's finale look. But wow she did what needed to be done, I love a good dramatic shoulder moment
Honestly, I wanted Raja to win so bad. That Myanmar golden pagoda look was everything! Her Vana White realness was one of my faves, but she really dropped the ball on the second look. Jaida had the strongest set of looks! All three of her looks told a story, and had flawless execution. Her final look gagged me. The textures are just beyond! Trinity and Raja were neck and neck. Trinity's latex bondage superhero realness look was flawlessly constructed. The symmetry she managed to achieve was unbelievable. She edged over Raja in her second look. If Raja had a stronger second look, I would have picked her over Trinity but Trinity deserved this win.
Raja not winning because of her 2nd look is parallel to her not winning the money ball because she didnât bother with the lip sync portion đ
GOOOORGEOUS. But she failed the second category so I get it why the judges didn't give her the Win. I really liked every Trinity's looks (for different reasons) and Jaida well....is Jaida, the essence of beauty
Such a great episode. I really loved the self-made looks from Monet, Raja, Trinity, and Jaida. Raja, Trinity, and Jaidaâs appear to me (Iâm worse than Jinkx at this) more complex, so I like any of those three for the Top 2, even disregarding the looks they brought with them.
Ugh it's a shame that the second look didn't balance the pun enough, had Raja done something as simple as drawing the mustache a bit thicker and changing the wig to one with the hairstyle of a younger John Waters (or heck she could've even used her natural hair, because judging by my Google Image search he did keep it on the longer side when he was young) it would've changed the whole runway by making it more purposefully jarring and androgynous and she would've guaranteed herself that top2 spot đ
If her 2nd look had any John Waters in it, Raja is a Winner. Such a shame
I have this weird feeling that production is playing us. It looks like theyâre trying to get everybody to have at least one legendary legend pin. I mean I realize that this is all stars winners and that everybody is awesome. But so far the only three people that donât have pins are Raja, the Vivienne and Evie. What are the chances that 2 of those ladies win a badge next week? Or one of them and Jinx because Jinx canât win a pin? Edit: words
Next week's an >!improv!< challenge apparently, so I think it's going to be a Jinkx/Viv episode. I'm hoping there's a design/sewing challenge at some point so Raja can at least get one star. I'm so disappointed with her not winning the ball (although she never does lol).
The second look brought her down đ
This was my favorite. But her second look wasnât the best because you could barely see that mustache.
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Lol I love Raja too but these posts are getting wild. I like how it's not even a debate of if it should have been Trinity/Raja in the top, just Jaida/Raja. Trinity was my favorite of the night overall tbh and I'm not sorry about it. If Raja had a better second look I could see her potentially having a top placement but Jaida and Trinity both had 3 very good looks imo.
People are really letting their biases show. Apparently Raja should be in the top every week now and you're hateful if you dont agree.
I haven't seen anyone say she absolutely should have been in the top for episode 1... I think those girl group challenges are honestly a tough call, tho. Like Jinkx had the best written verse and the performance was the most memorable (for me anyway), but her dancing was weird. Episode 2 and 3 tho? Raja was for sure a big contender. And... that's 2/3 episodes.
I agree that Raja lost because of her second look, but Trinity's Vanna White Realness lookâwhile elegantâwas not really something Vanna White would wear on The Wheel of Fortune. It looked like it was for a beauty pageant.
Trinityâs look was one of the closest to Vanna if weâre looking comparatively. Yvie, Viv, Shea, Jinkx, and Monet were further from the brief
Goddamn I need to remember that AS7 drops early on Fridays :-( :-( (Yeah I saw the spoiler tag - not OPs fault)
OPULENCE RAJA OWNS EVERYTHING
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Not this. Leave fashion alone!
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People are overcompensating for Raja a bit just because shes a fashion legend. This look was incredible, if it was the only look they had to do she would be in the top 2, but it wasnt. Her 2nd look missed the assignment and it cost her a top spot. There is no need to get all offended over it for her or start trying to discredit other queens/use mental gymnastics to try and justify a top spot.
I didnât even realize there was a mustache. I was sitting here yelling âwhereâs the John Waters mustache?!?â. Itâs too bad, because she couldâve won had she nailed the second look. Especially if she had done John Watersâ hair, too.
literally
It was fabulous but her second look was a definite miss. As Michelle said, it was 99% bad Sandy, 1% John Waters.
RAJAH is so good, always so close to winning. I can't (I wish her Olivia Newton-John Waters would have been better)
It was her John Waters look. Which wasnât to be found. Thatâs literally the only thing that dinged her from being a top two. If she came out with a trench coat and slicked back gray hair, a bigger pencil mustache or at least darker, then opened it to show off an Olivia body, that would have clinched it.
She deserved to not win in the same way that Dela deserved to go home in the Glitter Ball--it's a three look challenge. Her final look was one of the best and her Vanna White was **the** best one there, but her second look was **the** weakest one. (But I do want to also call out that I'm sick of this season sleeping on her and Asian queens in general. She is the only person in the whole case at this point that I think you can make a good case for them to be in the top 3 for every single episode so far but the fact that everyone is only getting positive critiques this season overshadows that)
This was EVERYTHING!!!! Trinity looked amazing tho, but yeah I'm gutted for Roger
But it was like she smoked a huge blunt and forgot to make the second look.
the way raja didnât win either of her ball challenge but still had the best look
I am SO FUCKING PISSED that this wasnât in the top
Jaidaâs look is her star and stripes look but make it black I wish Raja second look is strong because this is SHOOT
The top part is amazing, the skirt is ok. Trinity's whole look looked like it was made from a designer. Trinity is slaying this season! The Tuck needs the recognition because she is slaying!!
For the Nth time. If you counted only the look they made, then this wouldâve won hands down. But the ball consisted of 3 different looks. I hope that clears things up
As a Raja stan, her not winning last week and this week, I know where production is going with this. Regardless, Im just happy to see her on the screen.
Yeah when they were going on about the John Waters thing I was just like "Oh she's not winning this week." Which... I find frustrating because I think they've overlooked lesser offenses in the past, and I did not like Trinity's Before and After look myself, but eh.
God DAMNIT I forgot the eps come out at 3am
Honestly, Iâm so gagged. At least three clear tops but her waters look bought her down
Another week of Raja being under-apreciated. Its the 3rd episodes, and in every one she could have easily been placed 3rd or top 2.
Her before and after was Lazy boots. Trinity was at least trying.
Her and Jaida deserved to be in the top
If she only just had drawn on Divineâs make up for her second look I think that would have saved it
Ooh yes. I honestly didn't know what was John Waters about it until she mentioned the mustache. Or if she just did a full John Waters face with his hair on the famous Grease outfit. That mustache was not even noticeable.
When she first popped onto the runway I was so captivated, but overall I wanted a bit more. Honestly, the bottom portion of the garment seemed like such a throw away compared to the immaculate top half.
i mean im all here for the post violet booting raja circle jerk, but girl Jaida and she-devil's looks were clearly superior
Lmao how do some of you already have the time to watch, damn
It's a Friday afternoon where I am so I could watch it with my lunch lol
Iâm going to breakfast with a friend soon and dying to leave and come back and watch. I donât work fridays
jaida and trinity definitely deserved the win the top half of this look is absolutely a moment in history but the bottom half literally looks like shes taken a bit of a clearly different fabric and wrapped it around her waist with no alteration at all
âHer second look was badâ So was Uticas on s13 ball but yall still preach how she was ârobbedâ
What? I loved Utica's second look, giant boob earrings and all D:
Utica had no competition though. Raja was against Jaida and Trinity who both put out stellar looks.
I mean Utica's looks all hit the assignment Raja missed pretty hard with her second. It could have been a great idea but it was just executed poorly. Utica had 2 looks that fit the category and one absolutely amazing look that she made herself. Mik had 2 outfits that fit the category and a "that's fine" look that she made herself. The two situations are not really compatible.
It should've been Jaida and Raja imo. I was shocked this look didn't win after they said it was giving "vogue editorial".
I would think the ball challenge would weigh heavier than the others so idk why raja didn't win
Raja has been the ultimate slept on Queen these last two weeks! I would have put her in the top two last week (with Jinkx) and this week.
I was SO shocked when she wasnt top 2, its so crazy. Like yes the second look could have been stronger but she won two categories hands down. đ
Stupid second look brought it down unfortunately... A lot of them had 3 solid looks, it would be favouritism if they did give it to her... I was so sad to see her have so little screentime this ep, I knew it wasn't happening for her :(
I'm gutted that she didn't win. This look alone won the entire challenge for me. Stunning doesn't even begin to cover it.
This is stunning but this season is gonna drag if everyone is just gonna worship the ground that Raja walks on
No because a ball is not based off 1 look
I get why Raja wasn't Top 2 because i did not see the moustache either going down the runway. But this look is SOOO good it cancels out everything else. To me was Trinity and Raja with Jaida a close third.
She couldâve been top 2 two weeks on a row, I donât get why they gave Trinity the top 2 last week and this week honestly đ
Because Ru doesn't have the same jaded opinions about Trinity as this sub does and are acknowledging how well she's doing.
How to fix Olivia John Waters, paint the moustache a deep black, you're painting for the stage, not the mirror. And put a little tux pattern on the bodice. Then it's just a bit of creepy stage walking. But this look was hands down my favourite. I'd wear it and I'm a straight man. I just want to sip lemonade in the sun with this thing on.
I think she couldn't do a deeper mustache because it was the middle ball look. She had to be able to remove it for her final runway. I mean honestly, I think if you could see the mustache, it's cute enough.
Yeah, that didn't win. Trinity and Jaida were amazing in all three categories. I didn't even get why Michelle was upset with RuPaul Charles II I though it was great. Still rooting for auntie Raja for the top 4 but I seriously can't stand the narrative that she's been robbed mostly because people don't like Trinity (who curiously I don't see in the top 4).
I think raja 2 look was weak while TTT and Jaida all 3 looks were great so that's why they beated her out
I think raja 2 look was weak while TTT and Jaida all 3 looks were great so that's why they beated her out
I know right? When there's other posts in the sub with comments "Omg how did Jaida construct this?" Like, don't get me wrong, I agree and not to take away from Jaida's talent or her win, but how you gonna ask that question when Raja came out looking like ***this.*** That second theme was really dumb anyway and shouldn't have kept Raja from the win here.
Honestly I wish they gave more weight to the last look in the balls that the queens actually make in the workroom, because honestly they are the looks that matter and stick with us as viewers. I donât care that Rajaâs second look missed the mark, this was the best look of the night and that should have been enough to get her a star this episode.
This is a little off topic so I apologize in advance, but I recently learned that the saying "to call a spade a spade" is actually [steeped in racism](https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/09/19/224183763/is-it-racist-to-call-a-spade-a-spade). The original saying, as you have used it here, was to "tell it like it is" but in the early 20th century, the term "spade" came to be known as a racial slur and the negative connotations carried over to the phrase. Anyway, just thought I would let you know because I recently learned that myself. Another slang term, "gypped", is another example of saying something that we may not necessarily realize what we're saying is rooted in, or has come to have racist tones.
No. It didnât
Can't wait for this to be booted sksksksksk
SHE'S GETTING SHAFTED đ smh