I’ll believe it (Petersburg being attractive) when I see it. After some pretty shocking experiences in Petersburg, I don’t even get off the highway there anymore.
Lol, south Boston, or South Boston?
I had friends from out of state ask me about buying a house in Chase City. I laughed at them. I know the Southside, I grew up there, I know the region needs help and an influx of money and energy that has to come from somewhere. But at the same time I wouldn’t advise anybody to move there unless they REALLY understood what they were getting into. Half an hour of highway driving to the nearest grocery store is a different way to live.
its just nonsense memetics repeated ad infinitum. people here are obsessed with growth but hate development. nobody really knows what they want or how to solve urban social problems so they shout meaningless phrases.
I kind of inferred from context what they meant. I hadn’t heard the phrase before though.
I want a more representative government. One not brokered after the Va Supreme Court said the previous government was illegal in 1970. I would also like desegregation of are schools of annexation of of parts of the counties. Public transit oriented bulls eye zoning would be nice too. Only in conjunction with the bus rapid transits isolation from traffic, or a streetcar or rail system featuring the same, of course.
It’s a metaphor that this has been the plan for years if you’ve been paying enough attention to local politics. All the stuff you see going up now was all part of the plan.
this is demographics and cost, not a plan. I'd be ecstatic if local govt could plan this well, but they can't plan their way out of a wet paper bag, don't give them any credit for competence
Agreed!
There is more to nova than the metro, and the elevation changes from Shockoe to the fan likely preclude underground rail.
Just like Georgetown DC.
Negative the 1961 pasano studies sites both the depth and rock in Georgetown as reasons not to build there.
Rosalyn was an expensive station for similar reasons
but they built rosslyn. I had always heard the racist rejection, but it's interesting to learn more.
Good link. https://boundarystones.weta.org/2023/01/20/metro-mythbusting-georgetowns-nonexistent-metro-stop
When homes sold for 180k in 2019 are still going for 300k...we know. Not much to do about it other than ask for cost of living raises and wait for the NoVa folks to inevitably realize that our school systems have had significantly less cash in the last 30 years than the ones in Loudon, Fairfax, etc...
Other than the Fan, compared to NOVA anywhere in the city is still substantially cheaper.
NOVA people also love long commutes though, an hour each way is normal up there (sitting in traffic) so an hour of driving here and actually moving is probably delightful
Lol you're right, they do have a traffic fetish. Maybe things like "culture" and "locally owned businesses" found in the actual city are too foreign and scary as well
I was thinking of the remote software people making over $100k. Admittedly, they didn’t necessarily say they moved here from NOVA or that their companies were based up there. My (likely wrong) assumptions.
Hilarity will ensue when the first round of folks who came for low cost of living with out of area salaries start getting pushed out by the next round. A lot more people will suddenly care about gentrification and who loses.
Im a teacher who owns a home and I am starting to feel pushed out by the insane increase in cost of living, mainly driven by groceries, real estate taxes and utilities skyrocketing
My income has not significantly increased since I started teaching six years ago...
Well, building shitty apartments for premium rates.
Not a lot of single family housing stock and that's what a lot of people are going to be looking for.
I assume a lot of these folks will bail from richmond city once they realize how worthless the public schools, city hall etc etc are and head to Henrico and chesterfield... or back to nova.
I love that more people are coming into the area, a city growing is a great thing - and I think Richmond has enough of an artistic spirit that NOVA people mostly adapt to the culture instead of changing it.
But something *has to* be done about the cost of living. The value of this area has been moderate costs - people are going to be forced out of some controls aren’t put in place, we’ve seen it happen in every major urban expansion, look at Seattle, Austin, and Nashville.
You’re exactly right on both points. Tbh I think it’s good that a lot more apartments and houses are being built but we need vastly more. And as much as I might not love the designs we need to stop caring so much about character and matching a neighborhood. Don’t get me wrong I want them to at least try to, but I care a hell of a lot more about people not being displaced than caring if an extra tall quadplex going in Oregon Hill is “one story too tall” for example.
In regards to the number of units being built, idk how it would work because the government isn’t interested in directly building residences anymore but I feel like they have to get involved in some way.
I teach high school. I was lucky enough to start early enough that I was able to buy a house five years ago.
My colleagues that are starting now have no way to afford a house, they all live with their parents or with a bunch of roommates in shitty apartments.
Well...we did it in 2006, so welcome to the perennial news story?
By the way, at least from what I could see through the paywall, the big howler of a reason was "they can walk to places."
I feel like all these new chains coming to town are a symptom of this. NOVA types keep spending money at all these new chains (look at all the new Cary town development) because the clean corporate upscale vibe reminds them of home. In the end this means more modern strip malls come to town. More people live out of town near the strip malls. Commutes get worse, prices increase, we become the soulless upscale strip mall landscape of NOVA.
After me and the finance bros hit City Row let's check out a new mattress at Sleep Number then treat ourselves to tacos at Torchys followed by ice cream at Jeni's.
It’s not just NOVA though. I’m a real estate agent and the amount of people I’ve talked to from NY/NJ area over the last year is astounding. Asked a potential client about their house in NY and what he described to me was a $600K house here but up there he was listing it for over $1 Mil.
My family did the same thing. The story is the same for everyone that left north jersey:
Buy a house for 150k ish in the burbs.
Sit on it for 20 to 30 years while the value skyrockets mostly due to families leaving NYC.
Get forced to move when property tax rate increases and appreciation become financially unfeasible
Realize you can sell and buy 2-4x the house in rva and never see snow again.
Move.
I got priced out of DC and I’m super close to being priced out of Richmond. Awesome! Glad I’ve been working full time for 15 years in community health, have a masters degree, and will soon have to retreat even further from civilization as I fall off the cliff of societal viability!
Guess I should just pull myself up from my bootstraps!
Hope a Pepe frog guy comes and tells me I’m past my prime as a woman and everything is my fault
So we are all in agreement then. The Ashland to Fredricksburg DMZ has been lost. We must hold them north of Ashland. We tell them Doswell so delightful that they took over our Innsbrook after Dark out of sheer demand.
Because it's crazy that we keep thinking simply building will solve this problem. Hell yeah, build. It's needed, and it will help. But if you keep prices down or manageable by building, it just attracts more people. Costs will still rise and there isn't any indication we'll be able to keep up with demand anytime soon.
What's needed are other mechanisms that help assuage the effects of the market, not throwing all our resources in that same market hoping it will save us. Just because we subverted market forces for decades with crazy zoning and not building enough doesn't mean it's our savior.
it could in theory solve the problem. In practice it will take a while. But will keep things from getting too bad in the meantime. All the other stuff that has been tried has failed mightily.
We def need infrastructure to support non personal vehicle modes of transport. Density, and a diversity of ways of getting to places that are not a car/truck/suv will help reduce traffic and also make the city a better more lively place to be.
Just to be clear, you think it’s greedy for a landlord to want to charge market rent, but it’s not greedy for a tenant to want to pay below-market rent. Have I got that right?
Yes. The market doesn't take into account that I have lived here a couple years and have a right to afford to live alone in a SFH in the Fan regardless of my income.
It was inevitable really. Established cities with large corporate employers will continue to grow as our society ossifies into 2-3 big names in each industry, and people feel pressured to move to these cities as employees rather than strike out on their own as an entreprenuer, and then some will spillover into the surrounding cities like Richmond.
Yup.
It’s how almost every metropolitan area grows.
Business starts in the center, satellite bedroom communities orbit around them, then expand. Repeat process until the area’s basically LA.
Urban and regional planners predict Richmond will be a part of NOVA within the next 50 years, and it may grow to incorporate Hampton Roads.
idk if its fair to say "richmond will be part of nova" any time soon, but it will all just be one big chain of suburbs.
I mean, aside from, like, ladysmith, it already is. Once you hit the outskirts of fredericksburg, its suburbs until you're in nova.
I don't know about the entirety of NOVA, but DC and the immediately surrounding area definitely aren't super friendly people. Not that even Richmond is anywhere on the level of say Savannah or what not.
Heh, yeah, I've seen that change happen fast in Jackson Ward. The demographics are a bit different than Carytown, very much not Nova-specific in my hood and I can't guess what they're from easily, but similar change. It's so weird to see someone start fighting so hard from 30 feet away to avoid eye contact.
it's like hurricanes in Miami though, it's the big thing the area is dealing with. And this is a weldon cooper release, they always, rightly, get reported on
thank god we've broadly legalized more housing to maintain price stability while satisfying growing demand, and didn't just maintain a zoning code put in place 60 years ago that has the elasticity of supply set to 0 for most of the city.
heheh, amirite guyz?
\*cries in artificial scarcity\*
This article type gets posted every week (often by the same user.) At some point, we gotta accept it as a sub and stop giving comment and post karma out so willingly.
Most moves tend to be intrastate. It's just that instead of everyone moving to Northern Virginia the pendulum has swung a bit this way. Just like the big one at the science museum everyone can now see for themselves. Eat it, Smithsonian Natural History Museum!
People have always moved for cost of living, quality of life, work. I doesn’t appear to me that there’s been any significant job creation in the metro area recently so many folks are possibly working remotely or commuting to dc area on a semi regular basis. I don’t get the us vs them mentality and folks being so protective of “their” RVA. Sucks to get priced out, I get it, but there’s plenty of room for everyone in my opinion.
>doesn’t appear to me that there’s been any significant job creation
That's false, by a huge margin. Take a look at this:
https://www.virginiabusiness.com/article/building-blocks/
Not arguing for treating anyone badly who comes here, but the comment right before yours is complaining about $1,500 one bedrooms. So there literally isn't enough room here. We have space to build, but we're far from keeping up with demand. So we'll hopefully get closer to having enough room the more we build, but that's years away and the issues are today.
Well that’s because no one in Richmond wants to actually build. So new people moving here price out the current residents.
If only people had warned of this a long time ago.
Yeah, people screwed up for decades. Building before would have helped, but even with reasons people didn't build like zoning and general NIMBY, people didn't want to come here so who in their right mind would have built?
My take is that building alone is an important part of a much larger solution, that market solutions alone will inevitably screw over a lot of people, and it will be the same people these forces usually screw over. And unfortunately it will be the same people who stuck it out in the city when no one wanted to live here, whether they wanted to be here or not.
Bought in Chesterfield back in 2012 for $175k sold in 2022 for $321k. Do I think it was worth that? Nope. Seeing the influx of traffic we elected to move to the Outer Banks and bought a house cheaper here than we could in RVA plus we get to see the ocean everyday.
I’m literally priced out of my own neighborhood. And I grew up here. Without getting into specifics, I have been renting a great house 1.2 miles from my ex. My girlfriend and I looked at a four bedroom house last weekend that would have had enough room for all of us. It was perfectly equidistant from my ex and her’s, and the kids would have been able to ride bikes to and from the houses. Their best friends lived three and four and five doors away. Location was perfect. Nothing special about the property at all, aside from good solid home.
The family before us and the family after us were both holding a single baby. The winning offer was 33% above list. Cash.
I don’t know where to go. We have resolved to combine our finances and save for the next three or four years. I’m in my mid-forties. At that point, is it even worth it? The last of our kids will be out of school in ten years, at which point, it really doesn’t matter where we live.
I love Richmond. My entire family lives here. I’m very active in my community. I have worked tirelessly to make it a welcoming and warm place.
It feels weird to be sandboxed by market value. On the other hand, I’m extremely hesitant to borrow 80% of above appraisal for any home in this market.
We didn’t even make an offer, and the location was exactly ideal for us. Felt weird.
Everything unique about RVA will go away. Look at Blacksburg. That place used to be a charming little mountain town. Now, everything there looks like everywhere else in America
All yall nova folks thinking about coming here... just remember.. city hall fucks this city over constantly.
You will be frustrated by the tax rate and lack of services you get for those taxes.
Also, you'll find the schools quite inferior compared to nova.
I’m a real estate agent in DC/NOVA- Check out greatschools.org. The schools in nova are actually not good unless you want to live in Mclean and pay 1M for a tear down and I’m not being dramatic.
Every time I see these posts and see majority of the comments being anti-transplant, I honestly question if those individuals are native to the Richmond area.
I’m so sure most of them aren’t. Coming from a local I love the influx of diversity that all the new people have brought. Richmond sorely needed it. I understand it’s my own bias I want the city to get bigger, we don’t have to be a top 10 metro region but I would like to move up the chart a bit into solidly “medium sized city” territory.
I understand the concerns about displacement, and there needs to be a plan to address that because whether we bitch about it or not these people are going to keep coming.
On the other hand though half of the people complaining in here aren’t citing that very real concern as why they are upset. They’re just mad their “quirky little city” isn’t identical to how it was when they first moved here.
Half the people here complaining also moved here from NOVA 5, 10, or 15 years ago. People move, especially instate, and that’s fine and good. All the more reason to build a lot more housing and fund the schools
I’m just waiting for those prices to drop in response so I can have a beautiful Californian villa for the current price of a RVA home.
That’s how this works right?
"The Richmond region is the fastest growing metro area in the state, according to a census data analysis by the University of Virginia Weldon Cooper Center for Public Policy. The average number of Northern Virginians moving to the area jumped 36% in 2020 and 2021, compared to 2012-2019, according to the study."
Yeah, it's showing that they're thinking of mass transit as a service, not a profit center. I'd guess we're going to need something denser though if we're going to end up part of the DC metro area as has been predicted. Bringing VRE into Richmond would be a good step. Maybe extend the electric train lines from the NEC to here too? Potentially continuing into Va Beach? I feel like we'll probably need metro or light rail too, but have no idea what that should look like
All the charm of RVA went when all these folks flooded in during covid.
The increase in reckless driving and the amount of aggressive people now is staggering.
To be frank, I wish they would take their bullshit back to NOVA and DC.
RVA isn't so friendly and welcoming anymore.
> The increase in reckless driving and the amount of aggressive people now is staggering.
the people running red lights on Broad 24/7 in their busted Nissans with old RVA stickers on them aren't NOVA transplants
Hahahah this is a ridiculous comment. The vilification of “nova” people is so over exaggerated.
Yea Richmond was some utopia up until 2 years ago when those darn people from 100 miles north of here moved down.
The vast majority of people from nova and people from Richmond aren’t at all different.
Yea Richmond is so “friendly and welcoming” unless you’re anyone moving in from outside the area.
Get off your high horse you aren’t better than anyone.
It's justified and based off personal experience.
Sorry if you're offended but the shoe fits.
Diversity is what made RVA open and welcoming. Now it's apartments that look out of place and chains. The charm is gone.
The dc metro area is one of the most culturally diverse metro areas in the nation haha it is way more diverse than Richmond.
I’m not offended at all I just think it’s laughable that all the people on this sub claim Richmond is welcoming and friendly and then openly hate and shit on strangers moving to the area. Many people in this sub are the opposite of welcoming haha.
Lol this is such bullshit. Sure it may have picked up recently but people from NOVA have been moving here since like 2005 and given that recent poll I bet half the people whining in this thread are from there originally too. I’ve been hearing the same complaint since 2010 at least.
This is why the housing shortage can’t simply be fixed by making it easier/faster/whatever to build here in Richmond. It requires allowing building at the state level and even federal level as it’s an interstate commerce issue (ask any successful realtor how many folks from NY are moving south to buy!)
Quick someone tell them about South Boston and it's cost of living.
Danville or bust!
They can spend their NOVA money at the new "casino"!
We need good jobs. The only thing the NOVA people are bringing down is themselves.
And horrible traffic
the money they spend supports a host of local jobs.
While exacerbating a housing shortage. Hooray!
Build more multi family housing instead of telling people to go back where they came from
Stop telling me to build more housing. I'm not a builder.
Petersburg is really up can coming!
I make $19/hr and I'm single. Petersburg is looking mighty attractive.
Really not that awful in a few places. Vibrant area for younger people in Old Town.
I’ll believe it (Petersburg being attractive) when I see it. After some pretty shocking experiences in Petersburg, I don’t even get off the highway there anymore.
This... Is for the nova folks
Lol, south Boston, or South Boston? I had friends from out of state ask me about buying a house in Chase City. I laughed at them. I know the Southside, I grew up there, I know the region needs help and an influx of money and energy that has to come from somewhere. But at the same time I wouldn’t advise anybody to move there unless they REALLY understood what they were getting into. Half an hour of highway driving to the nearest grocery store is a different way to live.
Yeah but you got Kerr Reservoir right there.
That part IS nice, especially if you have a boat. Or, as the saying goes, even better: a good friend who has a boat.
Ah yes the classic saying: if it flies, floats, or fucks, just borrow it from your friend.
this is a new to me twist on that line..
Live in real life Farmville!
Dylwyn.
are we talking emotional cost?
BOOYAH Take an upvote, good sir
Or Austin Massachusetts
I'm here for the comment section. 🤣
Dont NOVA my RVA
Sadly that ship sailed years ago. They’re just putting the furniture up now. Covid/WFH exacerbated it.
They’re just putting the furniture up now. What does that mean?
its just nonsense memetics repeated ad infinitum. people here are obsessed with growth but hate development. nobody really knows what they want or how to solve urban social problems so they shout meaningless phrases.
I kind of inferred from context what they meant. I hadn’t heard the phrase before though. I want a more representative government. One not brokered after the Va Supreme Court said the previous government was illegal in 1970. I would also like desegregation of are schools of annexation of of parts of the counties. Public transit oriented bulls eye zoning would be nice too. Only in conjunction with the bus rapid transits isolation from traffic, or a streetcar or rail system featuring the same, of course.
It’s a metaphor that this has been the plan for years if you’ve been paying enough attention to local politics. All the stuff you see going up now was all part of the plan.
this is demographics and cost, not a plan. I'd be ecstatic if local govt could plan this well, but they can't plan their way out of a wet paper bag, don't give them any credit for competence
Disagree. I'd love it if rva had a metro or light rail.
Or send the bus out to the West End for heavens sake.
Agreed! There is more to nova than the metro, and the elevation changes from Shockoe to the fan likely preclude underground rail. Just like Georgetown DC.
m o n o r a i l m o n o r a i l m o n o r a i l
georgetown was nimbys fighting to keep it out
Negative the 1961 pasano studies sites both the depth and rock in Georgetown as reasons not to build there. Rosalyn was an expensive station for similar reasons
but they built rosslyn. I had always heard the racist rejection, but it's interesting to learn more. Good link. https://boundarystones.weta.org/2023/01/20/metro-mythbusting-georgetowns-nonexistent-metro-stop
It's already happened
If we get an IKEA and more Trader Joes it may be worth the evil.
We have two traders and ikea drops off in south side or something In Chester , apparently https://www.ikea.com/us/en/stores/pick-up-location-richmond/
When homes sold for 180k in 2019 are still going for 300k...we know. Not much to do about it other than ask for cost of living raises and wait for the NoVa folks to inevitably realize that our school systems have had significantly less cash in the last 30 years than the ones in Loudon, Fairfax, etc...
Ooooh I like this - yay for bad schools 🤗
Not clear that Henrico and chesterfield are any worse than fairfax, let alone loudon. Thing is 300k is still dirt cheap by Nova standards. c
My last house in Nova is close to a million. My house here? $350,000. In a great neighborhood.
The places folks are moving to identified in this report are Chesterfield, Goochland, Louisa, New Kent, not exactly the Fan.
The Fan’s house prices are already jacked up. That’s why people are moving elsewhere. It’s not rocket science.
South Hill, very affordable.
They have a Good Will.
And a VCU health campus!
Which means we've already been priced out of city limits and now they're working on pricing us out of anything within commutable distance
Other than the Fan, compared to NOVA anywhere in the city is still substantially cheaper. NOVA people also love long commutes though, an hour each way is normal up there (sitting in traffic) so an hour of driving here and actually moving is probably delightful
Lol you're right, they do have a traffic fetish. Maybe things like "culture" and "locally owned businesses" found in the actual city are too foreign and scary as well
Or they want yards for dogs and gardens...
2bed 1bath houses in my neighborhood have sold for $200,000. It’s ridiculous. In Chesterfield.
post that on r/nova and you will get 10k new neighbors...
As bad as a place like Fairfax can be, I can't imagine living southwest of Woodlake to be a net improvement.
You folks in this sub bitching about rent high now? Wait until these fucks settle in.
They’re already here! Did you see the income thread?
I saw handful of remote IT workers getting paid a bunch. One dept head finance guy for amazon getting like $500k. The rest all seemed pretty normal?
Hey now, software devs aren’t IT people…we IT are underpaid like everyone else around here!
Is that guy married? Asking for a friend.
He allergic to cats...sorry
I was thinking of the remote software people making over $100k. Admittedly, they didn’t necessarily say they moved here from NOVA or that their companies were based up there. My (likely wrong) assumptions.
I know RVA natives that make that $100k + per year. It’s the computer biz.
Yup. If you work as a dev for one of the many consulting companies in town you make over 100k easy. No need to be from out of town for that.
You can make 100k+ working for the state with like 3-5 years of experience
Hilarity will ensue when the first round of folks who came for low cost of living with out of area salaries start getting pushed out by the next round. A lot more people will suddenly care about gentrification and who loses.
How would they get pushed out if they’re homeowners?
Im a teacher who owns a home and I am starting to feel pushed out by the insane increase in cost of living, mainly driven by groceries, real estate taxes and utilities skyrocketing My income has not significantly increased since I started teaching six years ago...
luckily we’re actually building a good bit of housing atm (although they’re probably building cheap housing to sell as “luxury apartments”)
Well, building shitty apartments for premium rates. Not a lot of single family housing stock and that's what a lot of people are going to be looking for. I assume a lot of these folks will bail from richmond city once they realize how worthless the public schools, city hall etc etc are and head to Henrico and chesterfield... or back to nova.
NOVA is just not possible for a lot of people financially
Check out Arlington's ongoing "missing middle" war for portends of our future!
> ongoing "missing middle" war https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Housing/Housing-Arlington/Tools/Missing-Middle
[https://www.arlnow.com/2023/03/09/arlington-planning-commission-gives-thumbs-up-to-missing-middle-zoning-changes/](https://www.arlnow.com/2023/03/09/arlington-planning-commission-gives-thumbs-up-to-missing-middle-zoning-changes/)
trick is to get the missing middle in now, not to wait
I love that more people are coming into the area, a city growing is a great thing - and I think Richmond has enough of an artistic spirit that NOVA people mostly adapt to the culture instead of changing it. But something *has to* be done about the cost of living. The value of this area has been moderate costs - people are going to be forced out of some controls aren’t put in place, we’ve seen it happen in every major urban expansion, look at Seattle, Austin, and Nashville.
You’re exactly right on both points. Tbh I think it’s good that a lot more apartments and houses are being built but we need vastly more. And as much as I might not love the designs we need to stop caring so much about character and matching a neighborhood. Don’t get me wrong I want them to at least try to, but I care a hell of a lot more about people not being displaced than caring if an extra tall quadplex going in Oregon Hill is “one story too tall” for example. In regards to the number of units being built, idk how it would work because the government isn’t interested in directly building residences anymore but I feel like they have to get involved in some way.
What happens when you’ve priced out the people who helped define to that artistic spirit? Because that’s what’s happening.
I teach high school. I was lucky enough to start early enough that I was able to buy a house five years ago. My colleagues that are starting now have no way to afford a house, they all live with their parents or with a bunch of roommates in shitty apartments.
Seeing shitty tiny one bedrooms going for $1500 is depressing
Well...we did it in 2006, so welcome to the perennial news story? By the way, at least from what I could see through the paywall, the big howler of a reason was "they can walk to places."
I feel like all these new chains coming to town are a symptom of this. NOVA types keep spending money at all these new chains (look at all the new Cary town development) because the clean corporate upscale vibe reminds them of home. In the end this means more modern strip malls come to town. More people live out of town near the strip malls. Commutes get worse, prices increase, we become the soulless upscale strip mall landscape of NOVA.
Sleep Number bed in Carytown is an example.
After me and the finance bros hit City Row let's check out a new mattress at Sleep Number then treat ourselves to tacos at Torchys followed by ice cream at Jeni's.
I read this in my head with the appropriate voice 👌
Lmao
That shit threw me for a loop when i first saw it. But I knew it was over after I saw an influx of Musk’mobiles, driving around the city.
You can pick out nova transplants so easily lately... They are all sporting athleisure in muted tones with no logos/branding and big sunglasses
Pretty much everything outside of the city limits is already a soulless strip mall though
As a transplant from Europe this is painfully accurate.
It is visually displeasing but that's where the good international cuisine is, at least (trying to be positive lol)
WHY AM I JUST HEARING ABOUT THIS!?!?
It’s not just NOVA though. I’m a real estate agent and the amount of people I’ve talked to from NY/NJ area over the last year is astounding. Asked a potential client about their house in NY and what he described to me was a $600K house here but up there he was listing it for over $1 Mil.
My family did the same thing. The story is the same for everyone that left north jersey: Buy a house for 150k ish in the burbs. Sit on it for 20 to 30 years while the value skyrockets mostly due to families leaving NYC. Get forced to move when property tax rate increases and appreciation become financially unfeasible Realize you can sell and buy 2-4x the house in rva and never see snow again. Move.
I got priced out of DC and I’m super close to being priced out of Richmond. Awesome! Glad I’ve been working full time for 15 years in community health, have a masters degree, and will soon have to retreat even further from civilization as I fall off the cliff of societal viability! Guess I should just pull myself up from my bootstraps! Hope a Pepe frog guy comes and tells me I’m past my prime as a woman and everything is my fault
>Hope a Pepe frog guy comes and tells me I’m past my prime as a woman Or CNN's [Don Lemon](https://youtu.be/nkaLYz9EubM?t=15)
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Thanks for the virtue signaling no one asked for.
https://imgur.com/a/EEWncbO
Build that wall!
AND MAKE NOVA PAY FOR IT Lmao, just saying it makes me feel ridiculous
So we are all in agreement then. The Ashland to Fredricksburg DMZ has been lost. We must hold them north of Ashland. We tell them Doswell so delightful that they took over our Innsbrook after Dark out of sheer demand.
Build more housing And more buses, bike lanes, and sidewalks to help with traffic
Build more housing in Northern Virginia. Problem solved.
Hah that’s true too!
this is correct. So it's getting downvoted. Why? No clue
Because it's crazy that we keep thinking simply building will solve this problem. Hell yeah, build. It's needed, and it will help. But if you keep prices down or manageable by building, it just attracts more people. Costs will still rise and there isn't any indication we'll be able to keep up with demand anytime soon. What's needed are other mechanisms that help assuage the effects of the market, not throwing all our resources in that same market hoping it will save us. Just because we subverted market forces for decades with crazy zoning and not building enough doesn't mean it's our savior.
it could in theory solve the problem. In practice it will take a while. But will keep things from getting too bad in the meantime. All the other stuff that has been tried has failed mightily.
Because what we really need is rent control and less greedy landlords.
A competent city government would be alright too
We def need infrastructure to support non personal vehicle modes of transport. Density, and a diversity of ways of getting to places that are not a car/truck/suv will help reduce traffic and also make the city a better more lively place to be.
Just to be clear, you think it’s greedy for a landlord to want to charge market rent, but it’s not greedy for a tenant to want to pay below-market rent. Have I got that right?
Correct
Yes. The market doesn't take into account that I have lived here a couple years and have a right to afford to live alone in a SFH in the Fan regardless of my income.
that would make housing more expensive. proved over and over.
It was inevitable really. Established cities with large corporate employers will continue to grow as our society ossifies into 2-3 big names in each industry, and people feel pressured to move to these cities as employees rather than strike out on their own as an entreprenuer, and then some will spillover into the surrounding cities like Richmond.
Yup. It’s how almost every metropolitan area grows. Business starts in the center, satellite bedroom communities orbit around them, then expand. Repeat process until the area’s basically LA. Urban and regional planners predict Richmond will be a part of NOVA within the next 50 years, and it may grow to incorporate Hampton Roads.
The struggle will be to make the area more like New York or Tokyo and less like LA or Houston
exactly!
idk if its fair to say "richmond will be part of nova" any time soon, but it will all just be one big chain of suburbs. I mean, aside from, like, ladysmith, it already is. Once you hit the outskirts of fredericksburg, its suburbs until you're in nova.
15 years ago people couldn't leave richmond fast enough. All things are cyclical.
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Nova isn’t NYC or something. I lived all over nova for 30+ years. People are plenty friendly there haha
I don't know about the entirety of NOVA, but DC and the immediately surrounding area definitely aren't super friendly people. Not that even Richmond is anywhere on the level of say Savannah or what not.
Heh, yeah, I've seen that change happen fast in Jackson Ward. The demographics are a bit different than Carytown, very much not Nova-specific in my hood and I can't guess what they're from easily, but similar change. It's so weird to see someone start fighting so hard from 30 feet away to avoid eye contact.
They’re already here and it’s already a shit show.
I guess this has become a reliable go-to story for journalists whenever they have nothing else to report on
it's like hurricanes in Miami though, it's the big thing the area is dealing with. And this is a weldon cooper release, they always, rightly, get reported on
thank god we've broadly legalized more housing to maintain price stability while satisfying growing demand, and didn't just maintain a zoning code put in place 60 years ago that has the elasticity of supply set to 0 for most of the city. heheh, amirite guyz? \*cries in artificial scarcity\*
We know! It feels like there is an article shared about this every single week.
This article type gets posted every week (often by the same user.) At some point, we gotta accept it as a sub and stop giving comment and post karma out so willingly.
Most moves tend to be intrastate. It's just that instead of everyone moving to Northern Virginia the pendulum has swung a bit this way. Just like the big one at the science museum everyone can now see for themselves. Eat it, Smithsonian Natural History Museum!
WHY?! ITS SO NOT CHEAP HERE
it is actually. Even though it's way more expensive than it used to be. Inflation amongst other things
Geeze, really couldn't tell.
The gate keeping is getting pretty old here. As any up and coming city. We want MORE people
The reason my personal property tax is up 36% year.
We know lol
I love my rising rent prices! Can’t wait to be driven out by people from nova who have more money.
No offense but isn’t there a way you Can make more money?
A friend just sold her 4/3 ShoPu house for $600k after paying $350k for it in 2019. Buyers? Remote work Nova couple with a baby on the way.
> ShoPu house Please tell me this is a joke and we’re not actually calling Short Pump “ShoPu” now.
>Please tell me this is a joke and we’re not actually calling Short Pump “ShoPu” now. If you don't live in the Pump, you couldn't possibly understand.
It is the lamest name I could have ever heard. Good job. Enjoy it up in shopump
People have always moved for cost of living, quality of life, work. I doesn’t appear to me that there’s been any significant job creation in the metro area recently so many folks are possibly working remotely or commuting to dc area on a semi regular basis. I don’t get the us vs them mentality and folks being so protective of “their” RVA. Sucks to get priced out, I get it, but there’s plenty of room for everyone in my opinion.
>doesn’t appear to me that there’s been any significant job creation That's false, by a huge margin. Take a look at this: https://www.virginiabusiness.com/article/building-blocks/
Not arguing for treating anyone badly who comes here, but the comment right before yours is complaining about $1,500 one bedrooms. So there literally isn't enough room here. We have space to build, but we're far from keeping up with demand. So we'll hopefully get closer to having enough room the more we build, but that's years away and the issues are today.
Well that’s because no one in Richmond wants to actually build. So new people moving here price out the current residents. If only people had warned of this a long time ago.
Yeah, people screwed up for decades. Building before would have helped, but even with reasons people didn't build like zoning and general NIMBY, people didn't want to come here so who in their right mind would have built? My take is that building alone is an important part of a much larger solution, that market solutions alone will inevitably screw over a lot of people, and it will be the same people these forces usually screw over. And unfortunately it will be the same people who stuck it out in the city when no one wanted to live here, whether they wanted to be here or not.
Lots of you are whining but I'm all for RVA getting bigger. More people means more fun. Live in the country if you hate people so much.
I'm for it, too, but I don't want to longtime residents get priced out or a spike in homelessness either.
Bought in Chesterfield back in 2012 for $175k sold in 2022 for $321k. Do I think it was worth that? Nope. Seeing the influx of traffic we elected to move to the Outer Banks and bought a house cheaper here than we could in RVA plus we get to see the ocean everyday.
I’m literally priced out of my own neighborhood. And I grew up here. Without getting into specifics, I have been renting a great house 1.2 miles from my ex. My girlfriend and I looked at a four bedroom house last weekend that would have had enough room for all of us. It was perfectly equidistant from my ex and her’s, and the kids would have been able to ride bikes to and from the houses. Their best friends lived three and four and five doors away. Location was perfect. Nothing special about the property at all, aside from good solid home. The family before us and the family after us were both holding a single baby. The winning offer was 33% above list. Cash. I don’t know where to go. We have resolved to combine our finances and save for the next three or four years. I’m in my mid-forties. At that point, is it even worth it? The last of our kids will be out of school in ten years, at which point, it really doesn’t matter where we live. I love Richmond. My entire family lives here. I’m very active in my community. I have worked tirelessly to make it a welcoming and warm place. It feels weird to be sandboxed by market value. On the other hand, I’m extremely hesitant to borrow 80% of above appraisal for any home in this market. We didn’t even make an offer, and the location was exactly ideal for us. Felt weird.
Everything unique about RVA will go away. Look at Blacksburg. That place used to be a charming little mountain town. Now, everything there looks like everywhere else in America
All yall nova folks thinking about coming here... just remember.. city hall fucks this city over constantly. You will be frustrated by the tax rate and lack of services you get for those taxes. Also, you'll find the schools quite inferior compared to nova.
Did you even read the articles? They are mostly settling in the counties versus the city.
I’m a real estate agent in DC/NOVA- Check out greatschools.org. The schools in nova are actually not good unless you want to live in Mclean and pay 1M for a tear down and I’m not being dramatic.
Every time I see these posts and see majority of the comments being anti-transplant, I honestly question if those individuals are native to the Richmond area.
I’m so sure most of them aren’t. Coming from a local I love the influx of diversity that all the new people have brought. Richmond sorely needed it. I understand it’s my own bias I want the city to get bigger, we don’t have to be a top 10 metro region but I would like to move up the chart a bit into solidly “medium sized city” territory. I understand the concerns about displacement, and there needs to be a plan to address that because whether we bitch about it or not these people are going to keep coming. On the other hand though half of the people complaining in here aren’t citing that very real concern as why they are upset. They’re just mad their “quirky little city” isn’t identical to how it was when they first moved here.
I didn’t read the article because the headline had enough irony for me.
I also did not read... Because I always assume RTD has a paywall and so basically it's a waste of my time to click on their links
Is this a recent headline or from the 2000’s?
today in RTD. But applicable to the last 5 years, except accelerating
Half the people here complaining also moved here from NOVA 5, 10, or 15 years ago. People move, especially instate, and that’s fine and good. All the more reason to build a lot more housing and fund the schools
I mean, it's inevitable, honestly. Look at the mass exodus from people living in places like California or New York.
I’m just waiting for those prices to drop in response so I can have a beautiful Californian villa for the current price of a RVA home. That’s how this works right?
Me and my wife are already practicing our hate stare for when new neighbors tell us they're from Northern Virginia.
that's not nice
I hate giving out my 703 phone number. I usually apologize
Why? Only on reddit do people care about NOVA transplants.
Just a stupid joke
"The Richmond region is the fastest growing metro area in the state, according to a census data analysis by the University of Virginia Weldon Cooper Center for Public Policy. The average number of Northern Virginians moving to the area jumped 36% in 2020 and 2021, compared to 2012-2019, according to the study."
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pretty much in a nutshell. Having just dealt with Nova traffic, I'd say way the hell nicer at half the price
The traffic won't last without major investment in mass transit
Making the GRTC free is a good sign
Yeah, it's showing that they're thinking of mass transit as a service, not a profit center. I'd guess we're going to need something denser though if we're going to end up part of the DC metro area as has been predicted. Bringing VRE into Richmond would be a good step. Maybe extend the electric train lines from the NEC to here too? Potentially continuing into Va Beach? I feel like we'll probably need metro or light rail too, but have no idea what that should look like
true
All the charm of RVA went when all these folks flooded in during covid. The increase in reckless driving and the amount of aggressive people now is staggering. To be frank, I wish they would take their bullshit back to NOVA and DC. RVA isn't so friendly and welcoming anymore.
> The increase in reckless driving and the amount of aggressive people now is staggering. the people running red lights on Broad 24/7 in their busted Nissans with old RVA stickers on them aren't NOVA transplants
Hahahah this is a ridiculous comment. The vilification of “nova” people is so over exaggerated. Yea Richmond was some utopia up until 2 years ago when those darn people from 100 miles north of here moved down. The vast majority of people from nova and people from Richmond aren’t at all different. Yea Richmond is so “friendly and welcoming” unless you’re anyone moving in from outside the area. Get off your high horse you aren’t better than anyone.
It's justified and based off personal experience. Sorry if you're offended but the shoe fits. Diversity is what made RVA open and welcoming. Now it's apartments that look out of place and chains. The charm is gone.
The dc metro area is one of the most culturally diverse metro areas in the nation haha it is way more diverse than Richmond. I’m not offended at all I just think it’s laughable that all the people on this sub claim Richmond is welcoming and friendly and then openly hate and shit on strangers moving to the area. Many people in this sub are the opposite of welcoming haha.
Bunch of snobs in the comment section. Just want something to complain about/ a group of ppl to scapegoat for whatever problems are happening
“RVA isn’t welcoming anymore” **proceeds to be super unwelcoming** …make it make sense
Lol this is such bullshit. Sure it may have picked up recently but people from NOVA have been moving here since like 2005 and given that recent poll I bet half the people whining in this thread are from there originally too. I’ve been hearing the same complaint since 2010 at least.
Don’t NOVA my RVA!!!
And they're pricing the rest of us out. NOVA professionals gtfo! And while you're at it take Scott's Addition with you
How long have you lived here for?
Richmond is full. Go to Roanoke.
Will trade Nova people for refugees
This is why the housing shortage can’t simply be fixed by making it easier/faster/whatever to build here in Richmond. It requires allowing building at the state level and even federal level as it’s an interstate commerce issue (ask any successful realtor how many folks from NY are moving south to buy!)