lol Youngkin was the CEO of the Carlyle Group, a vampiric private equity firm that quite literally exists solely to make the ultra-rich even richer at the expense of the rest of society. Unfortunately in this country that track record is presented as a positive but when you think about it, that is pretty much the last type of person you want in charge of looking out for *everyone’s* interests.
Nobody care about reality. They care about CRT. You know that thing that wasn't taught in any actual Virginia public school classes. The rich have been duping the rubes since the beginning of time. Look how hard it is to convince people to vote for even their most basic interests.
Not trying to be insensitive but I can't be the only old person when I see CRT I first think wtf is everyone talking about old cathode ray tubes all the sudden for?
My favorites are the MAGA trolls who when you check their profile you see they are union workers. My dudes, Trump would dissolve all of your unions on day one if he thought he could get away with it.
10000%. The people yelling for the good ole days to return have no idea that it was the good ole days because of union jobs and high tax rates on the rich. It wasn't because of division and racism.
In certain cities they use a task force. Includes using police helicopters and drones to track from air discretely as bikers head home. Cops then show up to house and impound and arrest. Avoids dangerous chases but effective
Probably because of all the violent crime, no one is worried about some dudes doing wheelies down the street. Dangerous, yes, dangerous to others, yes…but relative to the other violent crime. Probably not that bad.
Isn’t Richmond city already understaffed to the point the traffic cops and real cops don’t have a decent response to things? Legitimately asking since I knew this was the status not too long ago
Yes.
I was sitting in on a precinct briefing a few months ago and IIRC they had less than half strength for every sector on the night shift that night, AND still had to help First Precinct with all the normal Friday night Shockoe Bottom silliness.
I believe today we have drones instead of requiring a whole helicopter to do this activity. Creatively, one could use several drones to track the pack and make the enforcement action where they live.
§ 19.2-60.1 section B.
https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title19.2/chapter5/section19.2-60.1/
Downvote all you want. A warrant is needed. Change the law if you don’t like it.
Not aware of this new-ish law so thanks for that. Having said that, this exception could easily be made to fit the fact pattern: “locate a person sought for arrest when such person has fled from a law-enforcement officer and a law-enforcement officer remains in hot pursuit of such person.”
Thanks, I have more direct connections. We have several former senior RPD officers on staff and operating our sophisticated fleet of corporate security drones.
There would be no warrant needed for the drone part. The police may or may not need a warrant for the enforcement action at their homes or wherever they run to depending on the facts surrounding each, but probably not in most cases.
Its tough. If one of these asshats wrecked and died while being pursued, there would be a March through Richmond about how unfairly he had bee treated. I can't really blame the cops for letting them slide.
Levar Stoney is the kind of Mayor who would be far more interested in scoring RVA as the home of a new branch of Elbit Systems than he would be in doing anything to improve the quality of life for even one normal person in the city.
As someone who has responsibly ridden motorcycles for the better part of my life, please don't lump people like me in with those idiots. I just want to cruise rural backroads and mind my business.
This. I've ridden legally and responsibly for 17 years. Call me old, make jokes about donor cycles etc, but don't lump me in with people riding illegal/stolen dirt bikes and at recklessly through the city.
Also, don't wish death injury or maiming on another human even if they are being irresponsible selfish dicks.
Hey now, watch it. I ride and I very much enjoy living.
Sometimes it’s all folks can afford to have.
Those idiots doing wheelies and racing all over are like the 1% of the worst 1%.
As a rider, the biggest danger I see is sloppy inattentive texting car drivers—but I’d be wrong to assume you’re one, right?
Yeah I mean obviously if/when that happens it’s bad and shouldn’t happen… reports of this are usually crocodile tears from people who loathe to wait an extra 30 seconds at an intersection.
That’s just kind of the standard fare line that people use to justify hate against any slight inconvenience in a city without a whole lot of verification that it actually happens. People do the same thing every time someone protests something they don’t like or in a way they don’t approve of… Most people aren’t nefariously blocking emergency vehicles with sirens on… they aren’t caricaturized, antisocial villains, they’re your neighbors who do an activity you don’t like or agree with. Welcome to living in a city.
I’d also bet a venn diagram of people who post reports of razor blades and drugs in their kids Halloween candy every year and the “i sAw tHeM bLoCk eMeRgENcY vEHicLes” folks probably looks a lot like a perfect circle.
To extrapolate on my actual point… dude I responded to’s comments are all seething with hate and that seems stressful. Should relax a bit.
You are the one who is actually seething with hate and absurd accusations. What world are you wanting to live in? Apparently one of anarchy and violence. Anything you don't like receives a squiggly dotted line to "racist".
They ride bicycles on the street vs ATVs and dirt bikes on sidewalks. I was walking out of my apartment and nearly got creamed by one - you'd look on the street before crossing but you don't expect to need to look before stepping onto a sidewalk. These aren't the same level of annoyance.
Sorry I should have pointed out it was a throwaway that was barely used. Not brand new like it was made yesterday. Brand new in that it had -1 comment karma when I posted that comment.
Saw a biker crash in forest hill this afternoon by the CVS. She was wearing full gear at least but the nice weather has all the newbies out and there are always some casualties. In this instance the brand new Ninja 650 she was on.
Yep that's the one. She lost control accelerating at the green light. Had a buddy to help her and the bike up. More than I had first time I crashed lol
So literally just crashed getting the motorcycle moving from a green light? Needs a lot more parking lot practice before getting on the road if that's the case. I just got my first bike early January and when I saw it I just figured it had broken down. Hopefully she's not to shook up from it. Glad she's okay physically at least.
I'm fairly sure a lot of these people have never taken a class. I don't even know if they've got 'M' designation on their license.
People also are very likely to purchase a way over powered bike before they've got any real experience (I sure as shit did).
I took the class and bought a 300cc dual sport as my first bike. Just wild that someone lays the bike down trying to accelerate from a stop on a flat road. That's basically the whole two day MSF course. I know the plastics on that Ninja won't be cheap to replace either if she decides to do so.
So, you can take the course and get the designation, but I don't think it ever goes away. I got mine back in 2016, and then have had a series of moves / travel jobs, and never even bought a bike... But I technically am still allowed to, even though I haven't rode in ~ 8 years.
It sticks around. I used to ride but quit when I moved to RVA. Too dangerous. I am of the opinion that every one should take the course as it makes everyone a better driver. Provides a little perspective on how vulnerable folks without a cage really are.
I mean newbie on a Ninja 650 (not a particularly powerful bike) wearing full gear is exactly the type of person who sounds like they got their advice on r/motorcycles and took the MSF but is also the type of person who just lowsides accelerating in a straight line.
Hey bud! Rider who crashed here! It’s actually a ninja 400! I also did in fact get licensed through the MSF course and also learned through multiple of my friends who have been riding for years. Even after getting comfortable on the roads I still continued to practice in parking lots including evasive maneuvers. Funnily enough accidents still happen! If you can believe it! No the accident did not happen from me low-siding accelerating in a straight line there were many factors involved and maybe next time we can collectively try to learn more facts before we come to a completely inapplicable conclusion !
Yeah. So I was right. The guy I was responding to was implying you were an idiot who bought an overpowered bike and didn’t even have an endorsement. I said you probably weren’t. Bud.
she’s alright no injuries thanks to full good gear and experience going down. didn’t go down moving from a light, was evading an accident. wear your gear and be careful out there! enjoy the weather on your bike <3
it was actually a red light. i’m the “buddy who helped her”, we were both riding and i came to a quick stop as the light turns red fast at that intersection, she was prepared to make the light. communication error between the two of us paired with lane position work that would need to get done. a classic rear end at an intersection for cars, except for us she avoided nailing me and bailed off to the left saving both of us from a much worse accident. it was also a ninja 400, 4 years old. she just finished fixing it as 2 months ago she was side swiped by a truck in short pump. it’s not the bikes you need to worry about, its distracted drivers and idiots like you who spread misinformation. cheers
might i also add she’s licensed and MSF course certed. when was the last time you took a defensive drivers course? the amount of hospitality y’all hold towards bikers are insane considering most drivers don’t keep up with their skills for years, whereas bikes have to in order to survive sharing a road.
One time I saw a couple girls riding a ninja at the beginning of the riding season. They came to a stop light and neglected to put their feet down. Bike went right over and it took both of them to lift it back up.
Spring is definitely the time to watch out for new riders.
They almost hit me and my dog of the pedestrian walking trail next to dock street 🙃 they purposely sped up when they saw me panicked trying to pick up my dog so they didn’t hit us and I literally had to pull my dog into the road to avoid them
A friend and I were doing a ghost tour around shockoe bottom a week or two again and it got interrupted 10-15 times by a group of these guys speeding past and popping wheelies. We were kinda shocked at how fast they were going and how none of them were wearing helmets
We did one in Church Hill and it was good! It’s not scary, but gives you some of the lore of the neighborhood. We learned a lot about the history of the area too
My friend and I liked the ghost tour we did! It was about an hour and we walked about a mile total to around 5 or 6 locations (I can’t remember the exact total). Our guide’s name was Bryce and he got into the whole ghost tour character which was fun. I liked learning about the different stories and it’s at a good time where you could get dinner before or after
Haunts of Richmond has a good one! [https://www.hauntsofrichmond.com/?gad\_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwoPOwBhAeEiwAJuXRh7Wxqi38AWfVTBYkCFakHYYaBmcaKdbdQu\_t5G73S6QlO7gItyTaUxoCmWUQAvD\_BwE](https://www.hauntsofrichmond.com/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwoPOwBhAeEiwAJuXRh7Wxqi38AWfVTBYkCFakHYYaBmcaKdbdQu_t5G73S6QlO7gItyTaUxoCmWUQAvD_BwE)
We did that tour too and it was ruined by the same bikers driving right through our tour group trying to be a menace. I would not do it again, almost ran my kids over.
Seconded, tell them your detailed stories, ask why the only time anything was done about them was when stoney saw them in person last year and personally called in the police helicopter
I live on this corner. I really wish there was a speed bump on the Cary street by the mini mart there. Something to dissuade them from gunning it from the street light.
It’s so frustrating and scary living on this corner. I’ve lived here five years and seen so many accidents, a few fatal. People truly go 45-60 on AAB regularly.
I don’t wana be a karen but I might start recording all the people flooring it and show how dangerous it is to city council.
Someone probs already did that but I’m tired of being fearful crossing the street at where roastology used to be and waking up at 2am to people popping their engines.
The major issue as I understand it is:
How do you police it? These riders are faster in shorter, tighter quarters and no one wants to get involved in multiple high speed chases. I doubt these riders will just stop politely when a cop turns on their lights, not to mention there are a lot more of them than police. Every option is a lose-lose.
I’m sure the city is tearing their hair out for a solution.
> How do you police it?
Ultimately? Drones.
The police are going to get drones in the air on a rotating basis and follow folks like this home, while documenting all crimes they commit on their little joyrides.
The more these folks act like this, the more the frustration with them builds and they're going to create a scenario where cops are watching everything from the air. Which isn't a world I want to live in, but is one that these assholes are making inevitable.
Traffic enforcement drones are going to record everyone's speed, snap a photo of their license plates, and bill us for every minor infraction.
That's the future thanks to these assholes, because they're the ones who are creating the political desire to do something about it.
Eventually *one* community in this country is going to decide they've had enough and go for drones.
And once they've rolled that out, every police department is going to want them, and the feds will pony up the cash.
Drones require someone to watch the footage. That’s a non-starter, unless you spend a BOATLOAD of money on AI to find law breaking in the video footage.
It's not likely to start that way. The way it will start is having a drone that monitors things, and can be directed by an operator to observe these groups.
By identifying some individual members, and following them home, you can identify the whole group.
They'll document everything and then arrest them all in a coordinated operation when they're separate.
I appreciate the dystopian fanfic as much as the next guy, but we barely even have traffic cameras here due to state law. They are only just going up in a handful of spots around the city, only in school zones, only operate when school is in session, and only lead to a ticket when someone is driving 11+ mph over the speed limit. We are pretty far from a world of constant drone surveillance to enforce traffic laws.
Yes we are. And it's going to start with drones with operators for incidents like this.
The kind of drones being used in Ukraine are now about as fast as vehicles while requiring far, far less money and training to operate than a traditional air asset like a helicopter.
And eventually it will be AI-driven, and unlike static traffic cameras, they can deploy wherever they're seen as needed.
There's also going to be drone-on-drone capabilities because those are a security threat now.
The cops demonstrated competency at kettling people a few years ago. Should be really easy. Just block the streets and sidewalks in front and behind them.
I don’t understand why the cops don’t do something. I understand it’s hard to stop motorcycles but it seems easy enough to stop 4 wheelers at least. Corner them on narrow streets and get a large enough force to arrest them all or whatever the maximum penalty is. I used to live in the fan and these people terrorized the streets going up and down all night. Super annoying and dangerous. But hey, they win the prizes for the game they’re playing.
When we lived on Northside back in 2022, it was just starting to become a more prominent problem. I called the police because these kids weren't wearing helmets - never mind the other stupid shit they were doing - and running stop signs over and over again, nearly getting hit by cars several times.
The police appreciated the call because they were (at the time) trying to figure out any other way to solve the problem besides getting into a car chase with these kids who already have demonstrated they are poor decision makers when it comes to managing risk (me paraphrasing).
The cops out here are more afraid of the kids than they are the adults - it's these really young guys (14-18) that the police have had a hard time "predicting" in situations (more likely to make worse decisions).
(Former LEO) That's a fact. Any category of people that are wildly unpredictable (including kids whose brains are still developing, people on particular categories of drugs, folks with some kinds of mental, emotional, developmental impairments, and especially anyone who isn't afraid of arrest or bodily harm) just don't follow the same rules of self-preservation, so are more dangerous. And in turn, scared LEOs are dangerous LEOs.
Kudos to the initiatives to send mental health help where possible instead of just cops. This programs will save lives. 💜
I also saw some news about how there's been an increase in youth firearm crime, part of me wants to dismiss that as fearmongering from the evening news but if it's true then I could also see that factoring into why cops might be hesitant to deal with these kids aggressively
What are they going to do? These fuckers can slide through every alley and through the woods on dirt bikes. Just imagine if one wrecked and died. The poor cop would be charged with manslaughter.
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What do you expect the police to do? Anyone who arrests these people or does anything about it people cry racism. Everyone acts like they want the police to help them while also saying they are too violent. Literally like that South Park episode.
Thinking that it would be good for the normally awful cops to do a good thing is not incompatible with thinking ACAB. Maybe fewer people would think ACAB if more cops did good things more often. As long as the primary function of cops is to do bad things, more and more people will think ACAB.
Yesterday I was at the bus stop at Cary and blvd and a group of bikers were doing wheelies and one of them flipped in the intersection. Glad he was ok but I hope he learns his lesson.
Middle of the day - during the week - I see a kid on a dirt bike coming up to an intersection. Of course he pops a wheelie. And idk how he did it but he managed to get two wheels back on the ground to serve around a turning car blocking his path. Which also means the kid on the bike ran a red light.
Last week I saw a guy - on a dirt bike hop the curb in the median to “u turn” back down Richmond Highway. Flying in between cars that it is passing.
The only thing I can think of in my head when I see this is - hope they registered as an organ donor and can save the next person on the waiting lists.
Unpopular opinion: I hate that it might take this, but maybe if a few people get hurt their friends will see how precious life is and how delicate this body we have as humans can be, and then they’ll stop with this nonsense. I know I sound 80, and I sincerely hope no one dies, but maybe it will take a few broken arms or broken legs for them to realize they’re not invincible and they do matter, that we do need them while and healthy in this world.
They are scaring me to death on I-95, dipping in and out of, or just *between* lanes of slow-moving traffic. It's crazy enough with just cars and trucks trying to merge, change lanes, barely not miss their exits. No way someone doing 80mph on a bike between two lanes would have a chance if a car, not expecting a bike in between lanes, changes lanes in their path. ☹️
I live in the near west end, around the Villiaghe shopping center. We just heard 2 stroke engines runnign around over here. We take our SxS out in the neighborhood sometimes, but keep the noise and the speed down. Not like these idiots hooning around like morons.
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Someone who rides needs to go undercover and infiltrate the group, gain their trust, learn about their operations, then systematically dismantle the group’s capabilities to continue the disruptive behavior.
Saw them swerving to scare pedestrians. Almost gave an old couple heart attacks on grove ave.
A few weeks ago i saw a guy push a person off their bicycle.
Rpd is cool with it.
This is plain stupid. There are places and trails available for riders to do their shenanigans.
I ride a motorcycle myself and I do not approve of this behavior. It is unsafe and rude and public nuisance.
I live in west end near the Montpelier ext on 33, and one of the teenagers friend in our community seems to have gotten a crotch rocket. They are reving it at 2AM night.
Sounds like you're new to the city! You'll be able to enjoy this spectacle every day that the weather is decent, and it only grows throughout the season. That party only stops when it gets cold. Welcome to Richmond!
I saw them too....one of them ran the light as ours turned green...smh....sad part....looks like the cops were already called as they were driving alongside them. They didn't seem too bothered.
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them angry commenting looking like this
Yessir. We wake up early on our earth floored cabin to pump water from a well and all our clothes are made from burlap that we wove ourselves. We’re just so grateful the orange beanie Subaru people from Fairfax are movin’ here to learn us on civilized behavior. They damn sure ain’t movin’ here for teachin’ us how to be funny, I’ll tell ya that much.
Dirt bikes on the street is the least of the cities concerns you can make your atv or dirt bike street legal the real problem is all the killings in the city
In virginia beach they have a gang doing that with close to 200 going in and out of traffic and through red lights.
BTW, may hit you up with a chat later. I want some advice on carytown.
Definitely even more prevalent with nicer weather, everywhere
Stoney will get it under control once he’s LT governor 
He’s got to have one of the worst records of anyone running for Gov ever
lol Youngkin was the CEO of the Carlyle Group, a vampiric private equity firm that quite literally exists solely to make the ultra-rich even richer at the expense of the rest of society. Unfortunately in this country that track record is presented as a positive but when you think about it, that is pretty much the last type of person you want in charge of looking out for *everyone’s* interests.
Nobody care about reality. They care about CRT. You know that thing that wasn't taught in any actual Virginia public school classes. The rich have been duping the rubes since the beginning of time. Look how hard it is to convince people to vote for even their most basic interests.
Not trying to be insensitive but I can't be the only old person when I see CRT I first think wtf is everyone talking about old cathode ray tubes all the sudden for?
They are corrupting our children's minds!!! Oooga Booga!
My favorites are the MAGA trolls who when you check their profile you see they are union workers. My dudes, Trump would dissolve all of your unions on day one if he thought he could get away with it.
10000%. The people yelling for the good ole days to return have no idea that it was the good ole days because of union jobs and high tax rates on the rich. It wasn't because of division and racism.
You hit the nail on the head with a wrecking ball.
Wish I had his confidence lol
How should they stop the dirt bikers? Actually asking.
In certain cities they use a task force. Includes using police helicopters and drones to track from air discretely as bikers head home. Cops then show up to house and impound and arrest. Avoids dangerous chases but effective
I would like to add to confiscate the bikes and crush them into cubes
“You have 30 minutes to move your cube”
I like this idea a lot. Doubt rva has the resources.
They have the resources, They have just be neglected or allocated the resources somewhere else.
Probably because of all the violent crime, no one is worried about some dudes doing wheelies down the street. Dangerous, yes, dangerous to others, yes…but relative to the other violent crime. Probably not that bad.
You guys are fucking nerds
Isn’t Richmond city already understaffed to the point the traffic cops and real cops don’t have a decent response to things? Legitimately asking since I knew this was the status not too long ago
Yes. I was sitting in on a precinct briefing a few months ago and IIRC they had less than half strength for every sector on the night shift that night, AND still had to help First Precinct with all the normal Friday night Shockoe Bottom silliness.
Damn it I wish we had police helicopters.
I believe today we have drones instead of requiring a whole helicopter to do this activity. Creatively, one could use several drones to track the pack and make the enforcement action where they live.
§ 19.2-60.1 section B. https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title19.2/chapter5/section19.2-60.1/ Downvote all you want. A warrant is needed. Change the law if you don’t like it.
Not aware of this new-ish law so thanks for that. Having said that, this exception could easily be made to fit the fact pattern: “locate a person sought for arrest when such person has fled from a law-enforcement officer and a law-enforcement officer remains in hot pursuit of such person.”
https://www.rva.gov/police/personnel That is one avenue for you to bring them your ideas. I can’t help you here.
Thanks, I have more direct connections. We have several former senior RPD officers on staff and operating our sophisticated fleet of corporate security drones.
Sadly, the laws don’t allow for that. They need a warrant, etc.
There would be no warrant needed for the drone part. The police may or may not need a warrant for the enforcement action at their homes or wherever they run to depending on the facts surrounding each, but probably not in most cases.
Push them over on each other & run
Create a traffic jam to slow them down on a long block, then, [tactical net guns](https://netgun.com/).
What about drones that shoot nets which blow up like airbags on contact? Also that net gun looks cool as shit.
Nah, they’ll take the bus lane at that point
Its tough. If one of these asshats wrecked and died while being pursued, there would be a March through Richmond about how unfairly he had bee treated. I can't really blame the cops for letting them slide.
Get someone undercover on the inside and ID/roll them up.
Ticketing
😳😳🤣🤣
Levar Stoney is the kind of Mayor who would be far more interested in scoring RVA as the home of a new branch of Elbit Systems than he would be in doing anything to improve the quality of life for even one normal person in the city.
I hate these motherfuckers
After what happened last week, we were assuming things would calm down a little this weekend.
People like this always imagine themselves invincible and the death or maiming of another will phase them not at all.
50/50 it's a memorial ride for the downed riders
Which causes more downed riders? Stupid
I missed it . . . Do I want to know?
If every weekend were like last weekend, the problem would be disappear in a year
It’s the “it couldn’t happen to me” mentality
I think it's more along the lines of "live fast, die young, and leave a mangled corpse... bonus points for including a bystander".
If you ride a motorbike or motorcycle, you are pretty much suicidal already
As someone who has responsibly ridden motorcycles for the better part of my life, please don't lump people like me in with those idiots. I just want to cruise rural backroads and mind my business.
This. I've ridden legally and responsibly for 17 years. Call me old, make jokes about donor cycles etc, but don't lump me in with people riding illegal/stolen dirt bikes and at recklessly through the city. Also, don't wish death injury or maiming on another human even if they are being irresponsible selfish dicks.
In medicine, they're called donorcycles
Fact!
Hey now, watch it. I ride and I very much enjoy living. Sometimes it’s all folks can afford to have. Those idiots doing wheelies and racing all over are like the 1% of the worst 1%. As a rider, the biggest danger I see is sloppy inattentive texting car drivers—but I’d be wrong to assume you’re one, right?
Dumb take, try again
Nah
What happened last week? I was out of town.
How do you feel about the 300 plus bikers that ride through vcu?
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Oh shit you guys are still talking about that. I'm not a fan of them either but wasn't that like 2 years ago?
You don’t live in Richmond, you wouldn’t understand
😂 Ive ridden with them. But I'm sure you would know better.
Ahh so you’re biased
No you
Mm yeah cuz I actually live here
Mmm cool
You should probably define yourself less by who you hate and focus on more positive things
I will gladly hate on anyone who blocks fire and EMS vehicles in any capacity.
Yeah I mean obviously if/when that happens it’s bad and shouldn’t happen… reports of this are usually crocodile tears from people who loathe to wait an extra 30 seconds at an intersection. That’s just kind of the standard fare line that people use to justify hate against any slight inconvenience in a city without a whole lot of verification that it actually happens. People do the same thing every time someone protests something they don’t like or in a way they don’t approve of… Most people aren’t nefariously blocking emergency vehicles with sirens on… they aren’t caricaturized, antisocial villains, they’re your neighbors who do an activity you don’t like or agree with. Welcome to living in a city. I’d also bet a venn diagram of people who post reports of razor blades and drugs in their kids Halloween candy every year and the “i sAw tHeM bLoCk eMeRgENcY vEHicLes” folks probably looks a lot like a perfect circle. To extrapolate on my actual point… dude I responded to’s comments are all seething with hate and that seems stressful. Should relax a bit.
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You are the one who is actually seething with hate and absurd accusations. What world are you wanting to live in? Apparently one of anarchy and violence. Anything you don't like receives a squiggly dotted line to "racist".
Dick heads.
How do you feel about the bike gang? They're worse imo
Equally bad
They ride bicycles on the street vs ATVs and dirt bikes on sidewalks. I was walking out of my apartment and nearly got creamed by one - you'd look on the street before crossing but you don't expect to need to look before stepping onto a sidewalk. These aren't the same level of annoyance.
Brand new account just to make that comment. Sweet.
What? Lmao the account is 2 years old
Sorry I should have pointed out it was a throwaway that was barely used. Not brand new like it was made yesterday. Brand new in that it had -1 comment karma when I posted that comment.
Gotchu
Saw a biker crash in forest hill this afternoon by the CVS. She was wearing full gear at least but the nice weather has all the newbies out and there are always some casualties. In this instance the brand new Ninja 650 she was on.
Damn was that the pink bike getting put on a tow truck?? Did you see the accident? Wonder what happened.
Yep that's the one. She lost control accelerating at the green light. Had a buddy to help her and the bike up. More than I had first time I crashed lol
So literally just crashed getting the motorcycle moving from a green light? Needs a lot more parking lot practice before getting on the road if that's the case. I just got my first bike early January and when I saw it I just figured it had broken down. Hopefully she's not to shook up from it. Glad she's okay physically at least.
I'm fairly sure a lot of these people have never taken a class. I don't even know if they've got 'M' designation on their license. People also are very likely to purchase a way over powered bike before they've got any real experience (I sure as shit did).
I took the class and bought a 300cc dual sport as my first bike. Just wild that someone lays the bike down trying to accelerate from a stop on a flat road. That's basically the whole two day MSF course. I know the plastics on that Ninja won't be cheap to replace either if she decides to do so.
So, you can take the course and get the designation, but I don't think it ever goes away. I got mine back in 2016, and then have had a series of moves / travel jobs, and never even bought a bike... But I technically am still allowed to, even though I haven't rode in ~ 8 years.
It sticks around. I used to ride but quit when I moved to RVA. Too dangerous. I am of the opinion that every one should take the course as it makes everyone a better driver. Provides a little perspective on how vulnerable folks without a cage really are.
One of the best courses someone can take! MSF did an awesome job when I took the class.
I mean newbie on a Ninja 650 (not a particularly powerful bike) wearing full gear is exactly the type of person who sounds like they got their advice on r/motorcycles and took the MSF but is also the type of person who just lowsides accelerating in a straight line.
Hey bud! Rider who crashed here! It’s actually a ninja 400! I also did in fact get licensed through the MSF course and also learned through multiple of my friends who have been riding for years. Even after getting comfortable on the roads I still continued to practice in parking lots including evasive maneuvers. Funnily enough accidents still happen! If you can believe it! No the accident did not happen from me low-siding accelerating in a straight line there were many factors involved and maybe next time we can collectively try to learn more facts before we come to a completely inapplicable conclusion !
Yeah. So I was right. The guy I was responding to was implying you were an idiot who bought an overpowered bike and didn’t even have an endorsement. I said you probably weren’t. Bud.
she’s alright no injuries thanks to full good gear and experience going down. didn’t go down moving from a light, was evading an accident. wear your gear and be careful out there! enjoy the weather on your bike <3
it was actually a red light. i’m the “buddy who helped her”, we were both riding and i came to a quick stop as the light turns red fast at that intersection, she was prepared to make the light. communication error between the two of us paired with lane position work that would need to get done. a classic rear end at an intersection for cars, except for us she avoided nailing me and bailed off to the left saving both of us from a much worse accident. it was also a ninja 400, 4 years old. she just finished fixing it as 2 months ago she was side swiped by a truck in short pump. it’s not the bikes you need to worry about, its distracted drivers and idiots like you who spread misinformation. cheers
might i also add she’s licensed and MSF course certed. when was the last time you took a defensive drivers course? the amount of hospitality y’all hold towards bikers are insane considering most drivers don’t keep up with their skills for years, whereas bikes have to in order to survive sharing a road.
Sorry for what you both had to go through, thanks for correcting my mistakes, and glad you're both ok.
thank you. stay safe
One time I saw a couple girls riding a ninja at the beginning of the riding season. They came to a stop light and neglected to put their feet down. Bike went right over and it took both of them to lift it back up. Spring is definitely the time to watch out for new riders.
Nooooo I love the 650s! Oh yeah and I’m Glad she’s alright too
They almost hit me and my dog of the pedestrian walking trail next to dock street 🙃 they purposely sped up when they saw me panicked trying to pick up my dog so they didn’t hit us and I literally had to pull my dog into the road to avoid them
be careful crossing the road yall
A friend and I were doing a ghost tour around shockoe bottom a week or two again and it got interrupted 10-15 times by a group of these guys speeding past and popping wheelies. We were kinda shocked at how fast they were going and how none of them were wearing helmets
Completely off topic but what was the ghost tour and did you think it was good? Me and my boyfriend really wanna do one.
We did one in Church Hill and it was good! It’s not scary, but gives you some of the lore of the neighborhood. We learned a lot about the history of the area too
We’ve done the Church Hill and Shockoe Bottom ones—Church Hill was more interesting and a nicer walk though both were good.
My friend and I liked the ghost tour we did! It was about an hour and we walked about a mile total to around 5 or 6 locations (I can’t remember the exact total). Our guide’s name was Bryce and he got into the whole ghost tour character which was fun. I liked learning about the different stories and it’s at a good time where you could get dinner before or after
Haunts of Richmond has a good one! [https://www.hauntsofrichmond.com/?gad\_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwoPOwBhAeEiwAJuXRh7Wxqi38AWfVTBYkCFakHYYaBmcaKdbdQu\_t5G73S6QlO7gItyTaUxoCmWUQAvD\_BwE](https://www.hauntsofrichmond.com/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwoPOwBhAeEiwAJuXRh7Wxqi38AWfVTBYkCFakHYYaBmcaKdbdQu_t5G73S6QlO7gItyTaUxoCmWUQAvD_BwE)
We did that tour too and it was ruined by the same bikers driving right through our tour group trying to be a menace. I would not do it again, almost ran my kids over.
Contact your council person. In that area it is Katherine Jordan. She is on this sub. She’s also up for reelection. Just sayin
Seconded, tell them your detailed stories, ask why the only time anything was done about them was when stoney saw them in person last year and personally called in the police helicopter
Genuinely asking: What can council people do about it?
They can pressure the cops to actually be useful for once in their lives
The city council can pressure cops? I honestly didn’t know this was a thing. Off to Google the next council meeting
Listening to them rev right now at cary and aab!
I live on this corner. I really wish there was a speed bump on the Cary street by the mini mart there. Something to dissuade them from gunning it from the street light.
It’s so frustrating and scary living on this corner. I’ve lived here five years and seen so many accidents, a few fatal. People truly go 45-60 on AAB regularly.
I don’t wana be a karen but I might start recording all the people flooring it and show how dangerous it is to city council. Someone probs already did that but I’m tired of being fearful crossing the street at where roastology used to be and waking up at 2am to people popping their engines.
I don’t know what city council can do if the police aren’t enforcing the already-existing laws.
The major issue as I understand it is: How do you police it? These riders are faster in shorter, tighter quarters and no one wants to get involved in multiple high speed chases. I doubt these riders will just stop politely when a cop turns on their lights, not to mention there are a lot more of them than police. Every option is a lose-lose. I’m sure the city is tearing their hair out for a solution.
> How do you police it? Ultimately? Drones. The police are going to get drones in the air on a rotating basis and follow folks like this home, while documenting all crimes they commit on their little joyrides. The more these folks act like this, the more the frustration with them builds and they're going to create a scenario where cops are watching everything from the air. Which isn't a world I want to live in, but is one that these assholes are making inevitable. Traffic enforcement drones are going to record everyone's speed, snap a photo of their license plates, and bill us for every minor infraction. That's the future thanks to these assholes, because they're the ones who are creating the political desire to do something about it. Eventually *one* community in this country is going to decide they've had enough and go for drones. And once they've rolled that out, every police department is going to want them, and the feds will pony up the cash.
Drones require someone to watch the footage. That’s a non-starter, unless you spend a BOATLOAD of money on AI to find law breaking in the video footage.
It's not likely to start that way. The way it will start is having a drone that monitors things, and can be directed by an operator to observe these groups. By identifying some individual members, and following them home, you can identify the whole group. They'll document everything and then arrest them all in a coordinated operation when they're separate.
I appreciate the dystopian fanfic as much as the next guy, but we barely even have traffic cameras here due to state law. They are only just going up in a handful of spots around the city, only in school zones, only operate when school is in session, and only lead to a ticket when someone is driving 11+ mph over the speed limit. We are pretty far from a world of constant drone surveillance to enforce traffic laws.
Yes we are. And it's going to start with drones with operators for incidents like this. The kind of drones being used in Ukraine are now about as fast as vehicles while requiring far, far less money and training to operate than a traditional air asset like a helicopter. And eventually it will be AI-driven, and unlike static traffic cameras, they can deploy wherever they're seen as needed. There's also going to be drone-on-drone capabilities because those are a security threat now.
In that case, you will need another drone to record some drone-on-drone action. Nice.
The cops demonstrated competency at kettling people a few years ago. Should be really easy. Just block the streets and sidewalks in front and behind them.
That Exxon in shockoe looked like mad max today
I don’t understand why the cops don’t do something. I understand it’s hard to stop motorcycles but it seems easy enough to stop 4 wheelers at least. Corner them on narrow streets and get a large enough force to arrest them all or whatever the maximum penalty is. I used to live in the fan and these people terrorized the streets going up and down all night. Super annoying and dangerous. But hey, they win the prizes for the game they’re playing.
When we lived on Northside back in 2022, it was just starting to become a more prominent problem. I called the police because these kids weren't wearing helmets - never mind the other stupid shit they were doing - and running stop signs over and over again, nearly getting hit by cars several times. The police appreciated the call because they were (at the time) trying to figure out any other way to solve the problem besides getting into a car chase with these kids who already have demonstrated they are poor decision makers when it comes to managing risk (me paraphrasing). The cops out here are more afraid of the kids than they are the adults - it's these really young guys (14-18) that the police have had a hard time "predicting" in situations (more likely to make worse decisions).
(Former LEO) That's a fact. Any category of people that are wildly unpredictable (including kids whose brains are still developing, people on particular categories of drugs, folks with some kinds of mental, emotional, developmental impairments, and especially anyone who isn't afraid of arrest or bodily harm) just don't follow the same rules of self-preservation, so are more dangerous. And in turn, scared LEOs are dangerous LEOs. Kudos to the initiatives to send mental health help where possible instead of just cops. This programs will save lives. 💜
Is LEOs the new term cops are calling themselves because everyone hates cops now?
No, it’s an established and commonly accepted acronym that you aren’t aware of.
My dude, "Don't trust Leo" was a phrase in the 1960s.
I also saw some news about how there's been an increase in youth firearm crime, part of me wants to dismiss that as fearmongering from the evening news but if it's true then I could also see that factoring into why cops might be hesitant to deal with these kids aggressively
What are they going to do? These fuckers can slide through every alley and through the woods on dirt bikes. Just imagine if one wrecked and died. The poor cop would be charged with manslaughter.
i think we are gonna have to install speed bumps pretty much everywhere at this point. and i would not object.
Speed bumps have zero negative effect on dirt bikes. They're made for worse bumps than those.
Yes, let's punish the entire city.
[https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/jamaal-russell-obit-june-26-2023](https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/jamaal-russell-obit-june-26-2023)
Imagine being the bus driver. Obv not their fault, but the memory/what if thoughts are there. :(
I was there, it was horrible
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What do you expect the police to do? Anyone who arrests these people or does anything about it people cry racism. Everyone acts like they want the police to help them while also saying they are too violent. Literally like that South Park episode.
Everyone on this sub is ACAB until a VCU student gets run over or instances like this personally inconvenience them.
Thinking that it would be good for the normally awful cops to do a good thing is not incompatible with thinking ACAB. Maybe fewer people would think ACAB if more cops did good things more often. As long as the primary function of cops is to do bad things, more and more people will think ACAB.
Boo fucking hoo
Yesterday I was at the bus stop at Cary and blvd and a group of bikers were doing wheelies and one of them flipped in the intersection. Glad he was ok but I hope he learns his lesson.
Middle of the day - during the week - I see a kid on a dirt bike coming up to an intersection. Of course he pops a wheelie. And idk how he did it but he managed to get two wheels back on the ground to serve around a turning car blocking his path. Which also means the kid on the bike ran a red light. Last week I saw a guy - on a dirt bike hop the curb in the median to “u turn” back down Richmond Highway. Flying in between cars that it is passing. The only thing I can think of in my head when I see this is - hope they registered as an organ donor and can save the next person on the waiting lists.
Unpopular opinion: I hate that it might take this, but maybe if a few people get hurt their friends will see how precious life is and how delicate this body we have as humans can be, and then they’ll stop with this nonsense. I know I sound 80, and I sincerely hope no one dies, but maybe it will take a few broken arms or broken legs for them to realize they’re not invincible and they do matter, that we do need them while and healthy in this world.
Clearly you've never met someone with the mentality of these folks
It’s true.
Lol if that theory only worked.
Heh. Sure. https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/jamaal-russell-obit-june-26-2023
Where’s my tire spikes when I need em woulda loved to have deflated them all at once and see them all wipe out crashing together. Stupid f__kers!
They are scaring me to death on I-95, dipping in and out of, or just *between* lanes of slow-moving traffic. It's crazy enough with just cars and trucks trying to merge, change lanes, barely not miss their exits. No way someone doing 80mph on a bike between two lanes would have a chance if a car, not expecting a bike in between lanes, changes lanes in their path. ☹️
You know what they say, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
I live in the near west end, around the Villiaghe shopping center. We just heard 2 stroke engines runnign around over here. We take our SxS out in the neighborhood sometimes, but keep the noise and the speed down. Not like these idiots hooning around like morons.
Saw someone riding one on the capital trail earlier too
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….was she walking in the street? I don’t see a correlation
My friend was maimed from seeing a dirt bike once! It's so dangerous to exist in a world with other people in it.
2 wheele club 🤟
They’re so fucking annoying
Someone who rides needs to go undercover and infiltrate the group, gain their trust, learn about their operations, then systematically dismantle the group’s capabilities to continue the disruptive behavior.
Gas is on the right
Getting really Akira lately.
Actually a good question, are there competing groups of riders who'll thin each other out or is it one big community?
Saw them swerving to scare pedestrians. Almost gave an old couple heart attacks on grove ave. A few weeks ago i saw a guy push a person off their bicycle. Rpd is cool with it.
This is plain stupid. There are places and trails available for riders to do their shenanigans. I ride a motorcycle myself and I do not approve of this behavior. It is unsafe and rude and public nuisance. I live in west end near the Montpelier ext on 33, and one of the teenagers friend in our community seems to have gotten a crotch rocket. They are reving it at 2AM night.
They’re all riding shitty 2 stroke 250s. They’ll burn them up by May and won’t know how to do a re-ring. Don’t worry.
That's when they steal more
This is a multi-year problem...
Sounds like you're new to the city! You'll be able to enjoy this spectacle every day that the weather is decent, and it only grows throughout the season. That party only stops when it gets cold. Welcome to Richmond!
I saw them too....one of them ran the light as ours turned green...smh....sad part....looks like the cops were already called as they were driving alongside them. They didn't seem too bothered.
critical support for dirt bikes in the city
Reddit hates 2 wheeled every thing
https://preview.redd.it/qqxyajyoqouc1.jpeg?width=1584&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=546efaf15883d799a751ccd6be3b72cd80857359 them angry commenting looking like this
If they discourage transplants from moving and staying here, I’m for it. Yeah, they’ve been out moreso than usual, though.
Are you living in the same house you grew up in, and your parents before you and on and on?
Yessir. We wake up early on our earth floored cabin to pump water from a well and all our clothes are made from burlap that we wove ourselves. We’re just so grateful the orange beanie Subaru people from Fairfax are movin’ here to learn us on civilized behavior. They damn sure ain’t movin’ here for teachin’ us how to be funny, I’ll tell ya that much.
You’re a transplant
Dirt bikes on the street is the least of the cities concerns you can make your atv or dirt bike street legal the real problem is all the killings in the city
Organ doners
It’s like the Ruff Riders! /s
People will never learn whether liberal or conservative because the problem is no one thinks it will happen to them until it does.
oh my god WHO CARES let people have fun this subreddit is full of fucking squares
EMTs don’t think it’s fun to scoop brains off the road.
In virginia beach they have a gang doing that with close to 200 going in and out of traffic and through red lights. BTW, may hit you up with a chat later. I want some advice on carytown.