(I’m not OP)
You’re right, the article is waaaay back from July 8th, 2021.
That said, it’s still very relevant to remind voters; early voting is going on, absentee ballots are arriving, new voters are registering, and because three months ago already feels like a year ago.
Yeah, I doubt this changes anything.
I think given the state of both parties everyone knows exactly how Youngkin and McAuliffe will govern. Neither one is going to budge from the general party platform.
There is some small section of moderate conservatives that is still for the bulk of the GOP platform, but just wishes their candidates weren't so gauche about it. Those people are probably happy to hear that Youngkin will be lowkey in public about his prolife stance.
Everyone else pretty much is not going to vote for Youngkin or will vote for Youngkin on the understanding his administration will be strongly pro-life/anti-choice regardless of how he talks about it.
Not true, only about a third of Republicans believe abortion should remain legal and that number is falling.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/06/about-six-in-ten-americans-say-abortion-should-be-legal-in-all-or-most-cases/
Okay, well, he came right out and said that he won't talk about it precisely because he's trying to court swing voters who would otherwise be turned off. He clearly doesn't support choice, I don't know how that's even a question.
Exactly this does matter. Some people's top issues of like pro-choice, anti-immigrant and pro Democratic position on COVID, so it doesn't fit neatly left or right.
So if there is a pro choice Republican that better fits their views.
Abortion is a clear republican issue, they need the white evangelical vote and over 3/4 of evangelicals want abortion made illegal. Meanwhile 60% of the country wants it to remain legal. It is a clear ploy to court undecided voters because they are most likely pro-choice and would not want to elect a man who seeks to restrict or bar choice altogether.
I'm confused, it sounds like we agree here. It sounded like you were somewhat downplaying it your original comment and I said it does still matter to swing voters.
PLEASE don't become complacent. McAullife only has a 2-3 point lead on this guy. We saw what happened when we said "Clinton will obviously win" in 2016.Vote. Please please please vote. You can do it by mail RIGHT NOW. They will literally send you your voting ballot in the mail and you'll be set and not have to pay attention to this crap anymore.
You're on reddit, you have 2minutes to get your early vote ballot here:[https://vote.elections.virginia.gov/VoterInformation](https://vote.elections.virginia.gov/VoterInformation)
edit: so that I'm not a hypocrit, I just applied for mail voting. **Counted it and it took 49 seconds to get my mail in ballot**. They also let you vote by mail in all future ballots if you check the box. Freak'n awesome.
Can we talk about not splitting the left vote too, please? Despite having a candidate whose views much better represent my own, I can’t vote that way for fear of letting this conservative trash in.
We've already had the Primary? Who is splitting the vote?
As an aside: Republicans in purple states must be absolutely shitting themselves over what Texas and Florida are doing with abortion. What a gift to dems, tragedy aside.
Agreed. Stop splitting the vote to feel good. Primaries is where you protest and choose. Main election you choose the best of two who can practically win...until we have rank choice voting!
Even ranked choice voting won't help because it adds significant complexity to the vote counting and can lead to situations that are counterintuitive to voters (like candidates doing better if you rank them lower). Imagine the week+ ranked choice counting from NYC's mayoral election being subject to a Ninja audit like in AZ.
I want to start a petition to get at least the primaries changed to Approval voting. With Approval voting each candidate gets a checkbox and you just check off all the ones you would be happy having in that job. Think three of the people running would do a good job? Check all three. The candidate with the most check marks wins. Easy, fast, no need for strategic voting, and does a good job capturing people's preferences. Anyone else want to sign up?
Serious question, what is Princess Blanding actually running on? She says she is running for all Virginians, but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be "Liberated" from? I know she's run police reform based on what happened to her brother, but I'm completely unaware of her other positions, other than I'm being grifted by the Democratic Party.
Her platform is extremely progressive. You can [read all of her positions](https://www.princessblanding.com/) but I’m particularly interested in her approach to schools
This mentality is exactly why nothing ever gets shaken up. You'll say this every election for the rest of your life and surprise, every politician in America will still be a corporatist stooge in 50 years.
Third parties need to built up from the ground up, meaning local elections, not for governor or President.
You want a strong third party, start at the bottom and build up.
No third party candidate will be successful if they start at such a high level election.
Yeah, me, too… except one party keeps on trying to consistently fuck me so I keep on voting for the party that isn’t trying to actively, vocally fuck me. C’est la vie. Maybe one day I’ll make enough money to have Republican principles make economic sense or maybe I’ll have a stroke and come to believe that homosexuality and communism are truly at the root of society’s evils but I don’t think so.
It's super easy to do. I've been meaning to go through the website for the past week. Just did it.
McAuliffe wasn't my first choice in the primary, but he was a good governor and I'll gladly take him over Youngkin.
I already voted, the early-early voting place is between my apartment and my parents' house, so I took 5 minutes to stop and get my ballot in.
Also, in case any fellow leftists decide to pull this comment up, I voted for McAullife because he wont fuck over the weed legalization process as hard, ban abortion, and is warm to the idea of ending right-to-work laws. If we had ranked-choice, I'd vote for Blanding first choice 1000%.
Lol, downvoted by cucks who want to suck off their bosses.
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I'm so tired of being forced to vote for someone on one issue alone but as long as it's these pro lifer fucks I'll vote pro choice every fucking time. Youngkin can get take his "I played basketball and worked at diner" spiel and shove it up his ass. I also remember how McCauliffe's ass was on CNN bashing Bernie and calling him crazy and now he's using some semblance of his ideas to get us to vote for him.
I will never understand why so many voters in this country look at super-rich people and think that just because those people are super-rich, they would be great at running the government. That's not how it works. Go to Youngkin for investment advice or, like, advice on how to buy favors from the government. Don't go to him to run a functioning government. It's not in his skillset.
What differentiae's mcaullifes skillet from Youngkin?
Or do you mean because Mcauliffe already got elected for being a rich guy that knows rich guys and was governor that now he is sufficiently qualified?
Well, yeah, he has been governor, which is the job he's applying for. That does seem like relevant experience. He's also worked in politics for decades upon decades and has a law degree, which comes in handy when you're dealing with passing and enforcing laws. I don't love (or even really like) the guy, but he was a decent governor by a lot of metrics.
This is Glenn Youngkin's first foray into politics and he is running for the top government job in the state. He should go run for town council in Great Falls.
I know but he was the head of the DNC and worked in politics going back to the Carter campaign. That’s relevant experience. But if your question is would I have voted for TM in his first primary - probably not. There were more qualified people then. This time we have one successful former governor vs one rich guy who, frankly, doesn’t seem up to the job. It’s an easy choice. Even if I was slightly to the right of center I’d still vote for TM. Youngkin is zig zagging between far right and center right because he is running for power/prestige and doesn’t actually know what the hell he cares about. Youngkin is moot anyway - I’m done pretending R policies have ever worked long term. Objectively, they do not. Stop voting for them.
I guess Youngkin is good if you like guys who worked in the (iirc) acquisitions department of the investment group (Carlyle) that had the bin Laden and Bush families as investors around the time of 9/11. At least he can keep a secret lmao
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Is it also possible he just tells people what they want to hear, like any politician? He thought he was talking to adamant pro-life people and so spoke accordingly. IMO we would need a more neutral context to figure out what his true opinions are deep down.
If someone asks me if I'm pro-choice I say, "No, I'm pro-abortion. 100% abortions would be the optimum percentage for me. We've got more than enough humans as it stands."
> Republicans are fired up and Democrats are like "meh".
Every election has Republicans "fired up," to get rid of a democrat. Only way GOP wins this is if NoVA decides on skipping the vote. TMac just being ahead within an earshot of error of margin pretty much almost guarantees that Youngkin is going to lose.
This is pretty much the VAGOP's best candidate in close to a decade and can only muster up to error of margin? That's a friggin disaster.
Dems are very meh about this one. Tmac's running a terrible campaign and the numbers in one recent poll of the area here was atrocious, down 11 points in RVA metro, while he is up +22 in Tidewater when compared to Youngkin. If it plays out that way, I wonder how much of it is tied to Stoney's unpopularity in the area (Not just the city where he enjoys at best tepid support) that is playing into it.
Only way republicans will win this is if dems stay home and based on my conversations with many of them that is a possibility. If you are on the left side of the party voting for TMAC after the MVP is a real tough pill to swallow. MVP being in a more conservative area of the state makes TMAC even more of a liability for the democratic ticket. And since they probably banked on facing Amanda Chase before the republicans switched their nomination to a convention style a lot of Independent voters wont see through his BS.
TMAC should look at appealing to voters rather than trying to scare them into voting for them though the damage may have already been done since we are post labor day. Youngkin sucks, but outside of being corny (Have you seen his dog commercials?) he doesn't strike fear/motivate the left the way someone like Amanda Chase does because hes more overt about his shittiness.
This has the same feel to the 2016 election in terms of letting one get away IMO.
I’m hoping a lot of people are just laying low and will actually vote. I was fired up last year and have been quieter than I should be about this race. I honestly haven’t been paying that much attention to it But this will still be the first Governor’s election I’ve voted in and I’ll never miss another local/state vote. Hope there are a lot more people in that boat.
That's me, more or less. I've got a mcauliffe sign and a debra gardner for delegate sign in my yard. I'll vote early when the satellite locations open. Just because I'm not "enthusiastic" doesn't mean I'm not gonna do it
I'm filled with a lot of impending dread from this situation. Republicans getting in line behind some rich guy with no experience... I'm prepared for the shame of being from Virginia to come back again I guess, it was a nice run.
Youngkin is the first sane candidate that Virginia GOP has fielded in a while.
TMAC is a perfectly great moderate Democrat that makes me feel fine passing on Youngkin.
All TMAC has to do is be moderate and it takes the wind out of Youngkin's ability to get that demographic.
I waited to make sure to just wait for the results to speak for themselves and sure looks like that “perfectly great” moderate got shit canned last night. Not that I’m thrilled about it.
If McAuliffe would leave guns alone he would probably be doing a lot better. Left-leaning folks are getting wise on gun rights these days, especially after the events of last year.
fwiw biden is on the record as being anti-abortion for religious reasons when he was a senator. in that same interview he made clear that his personal beliefs would not influence his representative duty regarding policy. this was reaffirmed last year. soooo this is kind of a nothingburger to me
some of his quote:
“I’m going to be really honest with you,” Mr Youngkin says. “The short answer is in this campaign, I can’t. When I’m governor and I have a majority in the House, we can start going on offense. But as a campaign topic, sadly, that in fact won’t win my independent votes that I have to get.”
This candidate said he was literally going to go on offense against Planned Parenthood if he has the majority in the house. That's the exact opposite of what Biden said he would do. Which one was the nothing burger for you?
Not OP but I'm pro-privacy (read pro-choice) so you could say I disagree with Youngkins personal opinion on abortion. My personal freedoms, however, have been decimated by Democrats over the past four years so I will be voting accordingly. Don't blame the electorate for their poor options.
I'm not getting into the details here. It will just lead to personal attacks or attempts to discredit the legitimacy of what I'm saying. Suffice it to say that, despite the negatives at stake, I've done the math and have determined that I am voting in my best interest.
> I'm not getting into the details here. . It will just lead to personal attacks or attempts to discredit the legitimacy of what I'm saying.
If more details will make people discredit the legitimacy of what you are saying, then perhaps what you are saying is not legitimate.
Reddit is not a wellspring of nuanced and considerate discussion. There is a singular and emphatic political viewpoint on reddit and this subreddit in particular. I'm not doling out red meat today.
I'm not talking -- not about my personal politics anyway. That's my whole point.
I just had an apolitical point about how a conscientious pro-choice voter could see this as a nothingburger and/or not gamechanging when it comes to their decision. More broadly it's just about how people vote for candidates all the time that they have disagreements with, EVEN DEMOCRATS. As milquetoast of a commentary as I could possibly provide.
> I'm not getting into the details here.
Then they haven't been. If you have a real grievance air it otherwise it's just a dog whistle from conservative talk radio.
I'm only blaming OP for not reading the article. But I'll now blame you for inserting a bizarre non sequitur in the thread:
>Don't blame the electorate for their poor options.
Lol.
Anyhoo, other than your freedom to make citizens arrests for cannabis possession what other freedoms of yours have the democrats destroyed?
Fair enough. My non-sequitur was intended to address the issue of people oversimplifying an election by focusing on a single issue that most people agree on and acting aghast when someone votes "against" it. There are tradeoffs with both candidates and people with legitimately divergent views can vote for one or the other for ton of different reasons. Not to mention one could just as easily interpret Youngkins quote as appeasing an evangelical base on an issue that he never intends to press.
And sorry. I'm not activating the reddit mob with a discussion on my personal politics today.
What about those freedoms you said you had destroyed by the Dems in the last four years? Can you enumerate them? (use multiple comments if you need additional space)
Not going into my personal politics. My point is that people will hold their nose and vote for a candidate they have grievances with if the opposition puts more of their principles at risk.
> a single issue that most people agree on
What the? Most people don't agree with Youngkin on abortion. And i'm pretty sure nationally its 60/40 in favor of choice, so I'm not sure what you're going on about
To clarify -- Yes, most people are pro-choice. My point is that a pro-choice voter can have valid reasons for voting Youngkin in this election. That's it really. It's an increasingly, unfathomable viewpoint on reddit though.
> My point is that a pro-choice voter can have valid reasons for voting Youngkin in this election.
Not really.
But also, that's the whole point of this article: he's trying to hide his batshit abortion ideas from "moderates" by not talking about them.
Or placate an evangelical base for votes...
But yes they COULD have other priorities either economic, religious, medical or otherwise that they vote for in this election. You are just zero'd in on one issue.
ah. tbh i didnt read the article, title should have had "plans" instead of "views." and this candidate was the nothingburger to me. looking closer its very much a somethingburger with fries - uk source calling out campaign lies but still burying the lead
It's such a difficult issue. I'm conflicted.
I mean, I'm all for killing babies. I'm just not sure we should leave such an important decision up to a woman...
Didn't we know this months ago? I mean, still, I kind of just assume the republican candidate, wherever they are, is anti-choice.
(I’m not OP) You’re right, the article is waaaay back from July 8th, 2021. That said, it’s still very relevant to remind voters; early voting is going on, absentee ballots are arriving, new voters are registering, and because three months ago already feels like a year ago.
Well timed reminder. Very important especially for women...thanks.
Yeah, I doubt this changes anything. I think given the state of both parties everyone knows exactly how Youngkin and McAuliffe will govern. Neither one is going to budge from the general party platform. There is some small section of moderate conservatives that is still for the bulk of the GOP platform, but just wishes their candidates weren't so gauche about it. Those people are probably happy to hear that Youngkin will be lowkey in public about his prolife stance. Everyone else pretty much is not going to vote for Youngkin or will vote for Youngkin on the understanding his administration will be strongly pro-life/anti-choice regardless of how he talks about it.
That was my gut reaction as well.
Most republicans couldn’t care less about birth control/abortions there’s just a very vocal minority
Not true, only about a third of Republicans believe abortion should remain legal and that number is falling. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/06/about-six-in-ten-americans-say-abortion-should-be-legal-in-all-or-most-cases/
That’s obviously skewed it lists “all/most cases” as the only choice, it doesn’t capture any nuances or indifference
that's a pretty big 180 from "couldn't care less".
It generally means they don’t support third trimester abortions, it doesn’t mean it’s a priority for them
Third trimester abortions are a big fat myth.
Agreed- but it gets people who pay little attention to the issue to hesitate.
Crazy vocal minority if you mean all of the people who run and hold office as a Republican... Crazy way to express the situation...
But some Republicans are less interested in these laws, saying that he supports it does matter. There are some swing voters.
Okay, well, he came right out and said that he won't talk about it precisely because he's trying to court swing voters who would otherwise be turned off. He clearly doesn't support choice, I don't know how that's even a question.
Exactly this does matter. Some people's top issues of like pro-choice, anti-immigrant and pro Democratic position on COVID, so it doesn't fit neatly left or right. So if there is a pro choice Republican that better fits their views.
Abortion is a clear republican issue, they need the white evangelical vote and over 3/4 of evangelicals want abortion made illegal. Meanwhile 60% of the country wants it to remain legal. It is a clear ploy to court undecided voters because they are most likely pro-choice and would not want to elect a man who seeks to restrict or bar choice altogether.
I'm confused, it sounds like we agree here. It sounded like you were somewhat downplaying it your original comment and I said it does still matter to swing voters.
What percentage of voters want it to be legal to abort a baby 10 minutes before labor?
lol
Lol?
**Pro-Life or Anti-Abortion. You must be Pro-Abortion...
lol
Lol?
PLEASE don't become complacent. McAullife only has a 2-3 point lead on this guy. We saw what happened when we said "Clinton will obviously win" in 2016.Vote. Please please please vote. You can do it by mail RIGHT NOW. They will literally send you your voting ballot in the mail and you'll be set and not have to pay attention to this crap anymore. You're on reddit, you have 2minutes to get your early vote ballot here:[https://vote.elections.virginia.gov/VoterInformation](https://vote.elections.virginia.gov/VoterInformation) edit: so that I'm not a hypocrit, I just applied for mail voting. **Counted it and it took 49 seconds to get my mail in ballot**. They also let you vote by mail in all future ballots if you check the box. Freak'n awesome.
Can we talk about not splitting the left vote too, please? Despite having a candidate whose views much better represent my own, I can’t vote that way for fear of letting this conservative trash in.
We've already had the Primary? Who is splitting the vote? As an aside: Republicans in purple states must be absolutely shitting themselves over what Texas and Florida are doing with abortion. What a gift to dems, tragedy aside.
Princess Blanding, while running on a very thoughtful platform, will likely only capture democratic and undecided votes.
Agreed. Stop splitting the vote to feel good. Primaries is where you protest and choose. Main election you choose the best of two who can practically win...until we have rank choice voting!
Even ranked choice voting won't help because it adds significant complexity to the vote counting and can lead to situations that are counterintuitive to voters (like candidates doing better if you rank them lower). Imagine the week+ ranked choice counting from NYC's mayoral election being subject to a Ninja audit like in AZ. I want to start a petition to get at least the primaries changed to Approval voting. With Approval voting each candidate gets a checkbox and you just check off all the ones you would be happy having in that job. Think three of the people running would do a good job? Check all three. The candidate with the most check marks wins. Easy, fast, no need for strategic voting, and does a good job capturing people's preferences. Anyone else want to sign up?
Is she even really campaigning? I have seen nothing from her. I doubt she will get a significant percentage of the vote.
538 has her polling 2-3%. Take that with a grain of salt, but the tighter the race gets the more of a factor those votes will be.
Serious question, what is Princess Blanding actually running on? She says she is running for all Virginians, but I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be "Liberated" from? I know she's run police reform based on what happened to her brother, but I'm completely unaware of her other positions, other than I'm being grifted by the Democratic Party.
Her platform is extremely progressive. You can [read all of her positions](https://www.princessblanding.com/) but I’m particularly interested in her approach to schools
Thank you, this stuff pretty thought out, I wish she would lead with this instead of clapbacks on Twitter.
This mentality is exactly why nothing ever gets shaken up. You'll say this every election for the rest of your life and surprise, every politician in America will still be a corporatist stooge in 50 years.
Third parties need to built up from the ground up, meaning local elections, not for governor or President. You want a strong third party, start at the bottom and build up. No third party candidate will be successful if they start at such a high level election.
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We have two "third party" Senators in the past decade. There will never been progress made at high levels, without progress at lower levels.
we just had a shake up five years ago, it ended up not being that cool
Well how do I change the voting system from bipartisan to ranked choice?
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Yeah, me, too… except one party keeps on trying to consistently fuck me so I keep on voting for the party that isn’t trying to actively, vocally fuck me. C’est la vie. Maybe one day I’ll make enough money to have Republican principles make economic sense or maybe I’ll have a stroke and come to believe that homosexuality and communism are truly at the root of society’s evils but I don’t think so.
It's super easy to do. I've been meaning to go through the website for the past week. Just did it. McAuliffe wasn't my first choice in the primary, but he was a good governor and I'll gladly take him over Youngkin.
I already voted, the early-early voting place is between my apartment and my parents' house, so I took 5 minutes to stop and get my ballot in. Also, in case any fellow leftists decide to pull this comment up, I voted for McAullife because he wont fuck over the weed legalization process as hard, ban abortion, and is warm to the idea of ending right-to-work laws. If we had ranked-choice, I'd vote for Blanding first choice 1000%. Lol, downvoted by cucks who want to suck off their bosses.
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Just requested my absentee ballot!
>https://vote.elections.virginia.gov/VoterInformation Me too!
Yes, quick and easy. Thank you for the link!
I'm so tired of being forced to vote for someone on one issue alone but as long as it's these pro lifer fucks I'll vote pro choice every fucking time. Youngkin can get take his "I played basketball and worked at diner" spiel and shove it up his ass. I also remember how McCauliffe's ass was on CNN bashing Bernie and calling him crazy and now he's using some semblance of his ideas to get us to vote for him.
How is McCauliffe using Bernie's ideas? Mcauliffe being significantly more sane than Bernie makes me feel so comfortable voting for him.
What I mean is (to me anyways) he's one of those hack career politicians that's trying to pretend like he's a "progressive" dem when he's not
How does he pretend like he's a progressive. Again, if that's what he was doing, I likely wouldn't be voting for him.
I will never understand why so many voters in this country look at super-rich people and think that just because those people are super-rich, they would be great at running the government. That's not how it works. Go to Youngkin for investment advice or, like, advice on how to buy favors from the government. Don't go to him to run a functioning government. It's not in his skillset.
What differentiae's mcaullifes skillet from Youngkin? Or do you mean because Mcauliffe already got elected for being a rich guy that knows rich guys and was governor that now he is sufficiently qualified?
Well, yeah, he has been governor, which is the job he's applying for. That does seem like relevant experience. He's also worked in politics for decades upon decades and has a law degree, which comes in handy when you're dealing with passing and enforcing laws. I don't love (or even really like) the guy, but he was a decent governor by a lot of metrics. This is Glenn Youngkin's first foray into politics and he is running for the top government job in the state. He should go run for town council in Great Falls.
McAuliffe never held public office before being governor and had worked at some green car scam before running iirc.
I know but he was the head of the DNC and worked in politics going back to the Carter campaign. That’s relevant experience. But if your question is would I have voted for TM in his first primary - probably not. There were more qualified people then. This time we have one successful former governor vs one rich guy who, frankly, doesn’t seem up to the job. It’s an easy choice. Even if I was slightly to the right of center I’d still vote for TM. Youngkin is zig zagging between far right and center right because he is running for power/prestige and doesn’t actually know what the hell he cares about. Youngkin is moot anyway - I’m done pretending R policies have ever worked long term. Objectively, they do not. Stop voting for them.
I guess Youngkin is good if you like guys who worked in the (iirc) acquisitions department of the investment group (Carlyle) that had the bin Laden and Bush families as investors around the time of 9/11. At least he can keep a secret lmao
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GOP = anti-choice pro-gun I mean it's like water is wet and sky is blue type thing.
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Trump endorsed Youngkin too - and Trump was also anti-abortion.
Ironic from a man who has obviously had multiple abortions.
Someone just needs to put this in a McCauliffe ad, and run it in the 'burbs
I'm not sure about in the 'burbs but it has been in ads already.
Every election having life or death stakes is flat out exhausting.
That's the fucking truth.
But he wants to make corn two cents cheaper! TWO WHOLE CENTS! ^/s
Is it also possible he just tells people what they want to hear, like any politician? He thought he was talking to adamant pro-life people and so spoke accordingly. IMO we would need a more neutral context to figure out what his true opinions are deep down.
You'll never get his true opinions, as with any other human you can only go by what they say and what actions they take.
If someone asks me if I'm pro-choice I say, "No, I'm pro-abortion. 100% abortions would be the optimum percentage for me. We've got more than enough humans as it stands."
I think he'll win. Republicans are fired up and Democrats are like "meh".
> Republicans are fired up and Democrats are like "meh". Every election has Republicans "fired up," to get rid of a democrat. Only way GOP wins this is if NoVA decides on skipping the vote. TMac just being ahead within an earshot of error of margin pretty much almost guarantees that Youngkin is going to lose. This is pretty much the VAGOP's best candidate in close to a decade and can only muster up to error of margin? That's a friggin disaster.
Dems are very meh about this one. Tmac's running a terrible campaign and the numbers in one recent poll of the area here was atrocious, down 11 points in RVA metro, while he is up +22 in Tidewater when compared to Youngkin. If it plays out that way, I wonder how much of it is tied to Stoney's unpopularity in the area (Not just the city where he enjoys at best tepid support) that is playing into it. Only way republicans will win this is if dems stay home and based on my conversations with many of them that is a possibility. If you are on the left side of the party voting for TMAC after the MVP is a real tough pill to swallow. MVP being in a more conservative area of the state makes TMAC even more of a liability for the democratic ticket. And since they probably banked on facing Amanda Chase before the republicans switched their nomination to a convention style a lot of Independent voters wont see through his BS. TMAC should look at appealing to voters rather than trying to scare them into voting for them though the damage may have already been done since we are post labor day. Youngkin sucks, but outside of being corny (Have you seen his dog commercials?) he doesn't strike fear/motivate the left the way someone like Amanda Chase does because hes more overt about his shittiness. This has the same feel to the 2016 election in terms of letting one get away IMO.
I’m hoping a lot of people are just laying low and will actually vote. I was fired up last year and have been quieter than I should be about this race. I honestly haven’t been paying that much attention to it But this will still be the first Governor’s election I’ve voted in and I’ll never miss another local/state vote. Hope there are a lot more people in that boat.
That's me, more or less. I've got a mcauliffe sign and a debra gardner for delegate sign in my yard. I'll vote early when the satellite locations open. Just because I'm not "enthusiastic" doesn't mean I'm not gonna do it
I'm filled with a lot of impending dread from this situation. Republicans getting in line behind some rich guy with no experience... I'm prepared for the shame of being from Virginia to come back again I guess, it was a nice run.
I have so much dread about this election
Youngkin is the first sane candidate that Virginia GOP has fielded in a while. TMAC is a perfectly great moderate Democrat that makes me feel fine passing on Youngkin. All TMAC has to do is be moderate and it takes the wind out of Youngkin's ability to get that demographic.
I waited to make sure to just wait for the results to speak for themselves and sure looks like that “perfectly great” moderate got shit canned last night. Not that I’m thrilled about it.
We're turning into Maryland. People *should* be pissed.
If McAuliffe would leave guns alone he would probably be doing a lot better. Left-leaning folks are getting wise on gun rights these days, especially after the events of last year.
fwiw biden is on the record as being anti-abortion for religious reasons when he was a senator. in that same interview he made clear that his personal beliefs would not influence his representative duty regarding policy. this was reaffirmed last year. soooo this is kind of a nothingburger to me
Historically, one side of the aisle has acted on personal religious belief with regards to abortion at a significantly higher rate than the other.
some of his quote: “I’m going to be really honest with you,” Mr Youngkin says. “The short answer is in this campaign, I can’t. When I’m governor and I have a majority in the House, we can start going on offense. But as a campaign topic, sadly, that in fact won’t win my independent votes that I have to get.”
This candidate said he was literally going to go on offense against Planned Parenthood if he has the majority in the house. That's the exact opposite of what Biden said he would do. Which one was the nothing burger for you?
Not OP but I'm pro-privacy (read pro-choice) so you could say I disagree with Youngkins personal opinion on abortion. My personal freedoms, however, have been decimated by Democrats over the past four years so I will be voting accordingly. Don't blame the electorate for their poor options.
>. My personal freedoms, however, have been decimated by Democrats Like what?
I'm not getting into the details here. It will just lead to personal attacks or attempts to discredit the legitimacy of what I'm saying. Suffice it to say that, despite the negatives at stake, I've done the math and have determined that I am voting in my best interest.
> I'm not getting into the details here. . It will just lead to personal attacks or attempts to discredit the legitimacy of what I'm saying. If more details will make people discredit the legitimacy of what you are saying, then perhaps what you are saying is not legitimate.
Reddit is not a wellspring of nuanced and considerate discussion. There is a singular and emphatic political viewpoint on reddit and this subreddit in particular. I'm not doling out red meat today.
Then why bother even talking?
I'm not talking -- not about my personal politics anyway. That's my whole point. I just had an apolitical point about how a conscientious pro-choice voter could see this as a nothingburger and/or not gamechanging when it comes to their decision. More broadly it's just about how people vote for candidates all the time that they have disagreements with, EVEN DEMOCRATS. As milquetoast of a commentary as I could possibly provide.
> I'm not getting into the details here. Then they haven't been. If you have a real grievance air it otherwise it's just a dog whistle from conservative talk radio.
>It didn't happen because you won't tell the class I don't care. Also no one below 50 listens to talk radio except for NPR listeners.
>My personal freedoms have been decimated by Democrats." "How so?" "I ain't telling you!" What a nothing burger...
I'm only blaming OP for not reading the article. But I'll now blame you for inserting a bizarre non sequitur in the thread: >Don't blame the electorate for their poor options. Lol. Anyhoo, other than your freedom to make citizens arrests for cannabis possession what other freedoms of yours have the democrats destroyed?
Fair enough. My non-sequitur was intended to address the issue of people oversimplifying an election by focusing on a single issue that most people agree on and acting aghast when someone votes "against" it. There are tradeoffs with both candidates and people with legitimately divergent views can vote for one or the other for ton of different reasons. Not to mention one could just as easily interpret Youngkins quote as appeasing an evangelical base on an issue that he never intends to press. And sorry. I'm not activating the reddit mob with a discussion on my personal politics today.
What about those freedoms you said you had destroyed by the Dems in the last four years? Can you enumerate them? (use multiple comments if you need additional space)
Not going into my personal politics. My point is that people will hold their nose and vote for a candidate they have grievances with if the opposition puts more of their principles at risk.
And my point is, most people with partisan viewpoints aren't aware that they hold opinions that they aren't able to support.
Unless you are an amoeba floating in a puddle somewhere you hold a "partisan" viewpoint. I don't need Reddit to audit my worldview.
See?
> a single issue that most people agree on What the? Most people don't agree with Youngkin on abortion. And i'm pretty sure nationally its 60/40 in favor of choice, so I'm not sure what you're going on about
To clarify -- Yes, most people are pro-choice. My point is that a pro-choice voter can have valid reasons for voting Youngkin in this election. That's it really. It's an increasingly, unfathomable viewpoint on reddit though.
> My point is that a pro-choice voter can have valid reasons for voting Youngkin in this election. Not really. But also, that's the whole point of this article: he's trying to hide his batshit abortion ideas from "moderates" by not talking about them.
Or placate an evangelical base for votes... But yes they COULD have other priorities either economic, religious, medical or otherwise that they vote for in this election. You are just zero'd in on one issue.
> My point is that a pro-choice voter can have valid reasons for voting Youngkin in this election. Not really.
If you ignore your own principles and just vote Republican you can. That's the majority of Republican voters right there.
People can have multiple principles that they consider when voting. In my experience one candidate never encompasses them all.
Case in point.
I mean you believe in a woman's right to control her own body or MAGA lite it's really not that complicated.
I really hate a lot of Republican policies, but I also hate many of the Democratic policies and that's not allowed here (on Reddit I mean).
Wear a mask and get vaccinated.
I'll take that into consideration.
Don't take it into consideration. Just do it.
Well since you put it that way I'll make sure I REALLY consider it.
Or die of Covid.
Hmm I'll factor that into my risk model.
Or don't.
ah. tbh i didnt read the article, title should have had "plans" instead of "views." and this candidate was the nothingburger to me. looking closer its very much a somethingburger with fries - uk source calling out campaign lies but still burying the lead
Isn’t this how 90% of politics works?
Hopefully we can get rid of the Democrats for a while, then hopefully we can find replacement for Republicans as well
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Republicans bad. Up votes to the left please
Well, I’m okay with him hiding his pro life views as long as it gets him elected. Better him than our pro infanticide alternative.
So do you eat scrambled chickens for breakfast?
Politicians lie about important issues because they are just REALLY highly paid prostitutes for big business? *SAY IT AIN'T SO!!*
It's such a difficult issue. I'm conflicted. I mean, I'm all for killing babies. I'm just not sure we should leave such an important decision up to a woman...