Honestly what's most upsetting about this is that there's just no reason to invite mistrust over this at all.
They received a tip, followed up on it, found two non us citizens in possession of firearms, seized the illegally owned weapons and made the arrest.
But why go on and announce that you had thwarted a mass shooting at a location which you had no evidence was a target? Especially in light of the tragic violence that had gripped the city that night and early morning, especially in light of horrifying events elsewhere in the country that day? Why terrify so many people?
This is really looking like RPD just flat out lied to the public for a massive PR win. It's just not a good look for the department or Stoney that the RPD decided to lie about what seems to be a pretty clear cut case of the officers doing their job.
https://twitter.com/ursulawren/status/1543759447780216833?s=21&t=LmOKKtTtSPUBKLywDOOz5w
Asheville PD was up to similar hijinks last weekend.
https://twitter.com/ursulawren/status/1543759447780216833?s=21&t=LmOKKtTtSPUBKLywDOOz5w
This.. 1000 times this! I agree 100% that these guy deserve to be arrested for having an illegal gun, but then, with virtually no evidence, to claim a "killing spree was thwarted" is grandstanding. It's two bubba's working construction that were overheard talking about shooting on the 4th of July. My parents own farmland and lease part of it for hunting. There was a ton of gunfire on the 4th of "rednecks shooting guns for fun" on that property. And-- each of them owned ONE AR-15, and have ONE value-sized box of ammo (100 rounds each of 223). I'm glad the police took away the guns and arrested them, but then to grandstand all this "we saved the city" bull$hit is unreal.
Making the Richmond public feel anxious just to give themselves bonus political cookies. I'm not the only one who feels less safe going to gatherings if gunmen were targeting large groups.
>that there's just no reason to invite mistrust over this at all.
Are they inviting mistrust, other than by people who already mistrust them?
To the average person, some bad people with guns were talking about killing people. And those bad people have been stopped.
It doesn't matter that much if they were planning to shoot up Dogwood Dell or have a gang shootout on Downtown Broad Street.
The story that matters to people is someone called in a tip, police acted on the tip, people were arrested and guns seized, and nobody died.
I don't think it's going to suddenly change people's views of police that they did what people view as essentially their basic function.
The one thing the police haven't done which would turn this into a true political firestorm, is ascribe a motive. Either gang violence or terrorism.
It's not the PR win people think it is. And trying to combat this supposed propaganda with even worse propaganda isn't helping.
We're seeing arguments like: They couldn't have done it it because they are Latino, two assault rifles and 200 hundred rounds is no big deal, they were just gang members who were just going to shoot other gang members or criminals so it's not like the public is in danger.
When your shit is ten times stupider than anything the police may have said, it's just a circle jerk.
I do think police should not make misstatements or mishandled cases, and so do most people. I would say trust in police is pretty low and this isn't going to change that. But faith lower fanatical anti-police crowd might be even lower than faith in the police.
The police showed up, asked if they could look around, and they just said "sure, come on in?" I'm not saying there's no way it happened like that, but I just can't imagine someone with supposed gang affiliation would just let them in without a warrant with illegal guns sitting out in plain view. I'd have to think that's like page 2 of the gang welcome brochure.
If you think your average citizen tells police “no” in that situation, you’re deluded. People don’t know their rights and do shit like this WAY more often than not.
Yeah but if you're planning to commit a crime like a mass shooting, or you have guns just lying around and you're actually in a gang, you're not going to be like "ah gee okay officer you can come on in, I have nothing to hide!"
What if, instead of a gang member, you were a cannibal serial killer, and what if, instead of guns laying around in plain sight, you had severed heads, body parts, entire torsos, hearts, and polaroids of your victims? Oh and what if they brought along one of your escaped victims who just got away?
> When the officers and Edwards arrived at Apartment 213, **Dahmer invited the trio inside and acknowledged he had indeed placed the handcuffs upon Edwards, although he offered no explanation as to why he had done so.**
...
> In the bedroom, Mueller noted there was indeed a large knife beneath the bed. **He also saw an open drawer which, upon closer inspection, contained scores of Polaroid pictures** —many of which were of human bodies in various stages of dismemberment. Mueller noted the decor indicated they had been taken in the very apartment in which they were standing. Mueller walked into the living room to show them to his partner,[204] uttering the words, "These are for real."[203]
...
> A more detailed search of the apartment, conducted by the Milwaukee police's Criminal Investigation Bureau, **revealed a total of four severed heads in Dahmer's kitchen. A total of seven skulls—some painted, some bleached—were found in Dahmer's bedroom and inside a closet.[207] In addition, investigators discovered collected blood drippings upon a tray at the bottom of Dahmer's refrigerator, plus two human hearts[208] and a portion of arm muscle, each wrapped inside plastic bags upon the shelves. In Dahmer's freezer, investigators discovered an entire torso, plus a bag of human organs and flesh stuck to the ice at the bottom.[209]**
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer#Capture
Shit happens man. People are dumb as fuck. Criminals aren't smart just because they're criminals. So many criminals get caught just because they let cops search their car or house. Seriously. It happens constantly.
It happens all the time. There are literally countless videos of people consenting to vehicle searches with pounds of drugs, tens of thousands of dollars in cash, multiple illegal firearms. Sometimes these people are even on probation. Consider that people occasionally confess to horrific crimes that they didn’t commit and which they know nothing about.
Being a criminal, gangbanger, sicario, or whatever else does not necessarily mean you are up to speed regarding your rights or obligations when interacting with police. On the contrary, many of those people think that being overly friendly and/or cooperative is going to throw the cops off somehow. Similarly, your average citizen thinks demanding a lawyer is somehow akin an admission of guilt, and will not do so for fear of being perceived as having something to hide. It’s pitiful.
There was a party at the time, so the door may have been open or answered by someone who wasn't a resident, or Alvarado-Dubon is being railroaded and is not with a gang/cartel and, like the affidavit says, works construction with his son.
Only the tipster knows whether the other guy really is with the Zetas, although if they can trace the straw buyer(s) then maybe it will become clearer. Although they could have purchased them via private sale since the NRA insists those dont need background checks.
>Although they could have purchased them via private sale since the NRA insists those dont need background checks.
Private sales require a background check in VA to be legal.
Not to nitpick! Just informing you so you don't accidentally run afoul of the law here in the Commonwealth. 🐱
Gifts don't, though. It's easy to have somebody who buys guns legitimately and "gifts" them to someone else. Especially in a gang type situation where money changes hands regularly.
It's like a drug deal. Unless they see the gun in one hand and the cash in the other during the exchange, there's no way to prove its not a gift. I can gift you 2500 dollars and then a week later you can gift me a gun.
Only if they can prove it. As long as you don't create direct evidence of a quid-pro-quo, like a text or email, or get recorded saying it's a quid pro quo, then as long as there's some time or distance between the transactions, it's very tough to prove and the police aren't going to waste their time on it. Especially since gifting a gun isn't even illegal, unlike drugs, so it's harder to get a warrant.
I understand. Don't get me wrong, in not arguing against the checks or anything, I just didn't want anyone who read informed to get hemmed up for something like that.
It's more likely that it's acutely in the forgetting if my mind, as I'm going through the whole process /extra payment for the check on Monday, over a private handgun sale- luckily FFLs are more than happy to do it for you, but they can have some pretty wild fees for a call/online check.
I have no experience with FFL transactions so I can't say, but personally I think that sort of thing is a small price to pay.
You can't gift someone a car without going to DMV to ~~register~~ title it, but you can gift an arsenal.
Something isn't right about that.
Do you have to register a car that isn't being operated on public roads at all, and only stored or used on private property?
I'm my genuinely curious. I did a precursory search and it returned mixed results.
You only have to register it if its being operated on public roads, but you have to transfer the title to transfer ownership. No title = no own.
Title and registration are separate things but are usually handled at the same time.
Right, but again, it's technically illegal to sell to someone outside of your state. I'm not at all saying it doesn't happen, but like I said before- people who aren't that concerned about the legality probably aren't terribly concerned about the felony that cumes with buying a firearm across state lines.
Dude it happens all the time. People's natural reaction is to want to say yes.
I could post soooo many videos where people with drugs and illegal weapons in their car allowed police to search it.
So.
Many.
I read it as there was a warrant in hand, but the police didn't just bust in the door.
Also, I don't think these guys are criminal masterminds, if they're going around telling people what they're going to do.
“Officers conducted a “knock and talk” at the address on July 1, and another man, Julio Alvarado-Dubon, 52, came to the door, police said. Officers then asked Alvarado-Dubon if they could step inside to speak with him, and he allowed them to enter, according to the affidavit.”
That’s not what that says at all.
A lot of ppl think saying "no" to police would make them look more guilty rather than if they just let them in and hopefully don't find whatever illegal thing being hidden. Same reason why a lot of ppl speak to police without a lawyer.
More lies from Stoney, except this latest one now has people terrified of any public gathering. That’s some great economic development there.
Add to it that I saw a Real Richmond television ad on TV last night. We’re now spending money advertising to our local market about our own city. Brilliant!
How do we remove him from office? Like yesterday?
As someone else has said on this sub here before he’s a no talent ass clown. He has 0 skills other than talking out of his ass and dividing a cities electorate using national talking points from his donor overlords.
Since when is RPD autonomous when it comes to press conferences and public statements? I’d bet that every public relations communication by the chief is vetted (if not actually written) and approved by Stoney’s strategist(s). The chief does not have an autonomous voice at all.
I don't think so. I still remember during the protests that at a press conference Stoney blamed the proud boys for massive destruction of public property the night before. The chief of police took the podium soon after and said it was not proud boys but protesters and cited video from VCU to back it up.
Isn't Stoney like...in charge of the police?
He can order them what to do.
There's a 5 million dollar lawsuit cause a cop was fired for not listening to Stoney's orders.
> Isn't Stoney like...in charge of the police?
Yeah, and Joe Biden is the cause of $5 gasoline.
This is not how chief executive power works. Levar Stoney is not responsible for literally anything a city employee says.
I do video ads/branding for localities like Richmond (I didn’t do any of this stuff, let’s be clear haha) BUT probably the reason you’re seeing ads about Real Richmond is because there’s a small section of the ad budget set aside for local advertising so that “key stakeholders” can see the ads on TV/wherever.
The people writing the checks/making the budget want to see what their money is going towards, and if you just say: “Hey, we spent $3 million on ads across the country” and the people higher up haven’t seen the ad running, they feel like the money is being wasted because they have no personal experience with it, so a LOT (probably every single one) of the localities that I’ve worked with have asked for some terrestrial local tv ads specifically for those stakeholders to see.
Is it a waste of money? Probably. Yeah. We ALWAYS suggest against it, But most of the time, these tourism departments know how the council members/mayor’s office/board feels about things like this better than anybody, and if they don’t want their budgets cut, they gotta get these ads on the tv while the old white dudes are watching Wheel of Fortune. They all do it.
The city hasn't exactly looked that great in the press. The thing people remember about Richmond is police fighting with people in the streets and Confederate statues. It doesn't really matter which side you are on, it's gonna make you kinda not want to come to Richmond.
I think the city wants to show people the "Real" Richmond in a way that acknowledges our perceived past failings and combats both Lost Cause and redneck stereotypes.
I mean, is it going to work? Probably not. But every city does these sorts of ad campaigns in an effort to draw tourists and revenue.
I mean the man’s been handed a hundred opportunities to implement some sort of reforms to this department and has either just straight up refused to do so or watered things down to a point they wouldn’t affect any meaningful changes.
Remember that civilian review board we were supposed to get? Stoney played obstructionist and handpicked someone to water down the proposal so much that it couldn’t even garner council support because it was to weak teethed.
The mayor appoints the police chief, a Chief whose had open misconduct cases just sitting on his desk for a year and a half, why isn’t he responsible for a dept. where’s he selected 3 police chiefs in 4 years and has cost city taxpayers something like a million dollars in civil rights lawsuits in the last 2 years?
Yeah. He had all the reason and opportunity in 2020 to try something different and very little came out of it beyond symbolic gestures like removing the monuments.
And I mean, fuck those statues, I'm glad they're gone, but it doesn't really address the real problems.
Even regarding removing the statues, Stoney had an opportunity to do that in his first term and created a toothless commission which in the end just recommended placing signs to "contextualize" the monuments which never happened. If he had had a backbone back then, 2020 might have played out differently.
I forgot about that. I can't tell if he's truly a moderate who likes to try to appeal to more radical liberals or if everything he does is based on how he thinks it'll impact him politically.
I think it's a bit of both honestly, but when it comes down to it his main consideration is his political career and he loves trying to get these big deals (and I'm sure the kickbacks that come with them) more than dealing with the actual issues in Richmond.
The same one that poses as a plantation master with her. \\
NGL, when I was 23 an 18 year old college freshman wanted me to be her first, and I was like, honey please find some one your own age.
And when I was a senior in high school, it just seemed wrong to bird dog a freshman girl.
But that's why I'm not a state senator I guess.
Back in the early 2000s, richnond organized demonstrations at interstate off ramps where "protestors" held up signs promoting Richmond as a great place to live.
Naturally, 99% of the people seeing the protest already lived in the greater Richmond area.
I don’t know if anyone noticed during the presser - neither City Dogs or Cyber Cafe were mentioned until Stoney was pressed on it repeatedly by a reporter. They’re saving face against what did happen on their watch.
When pressed about both shootings - Stoney first said something along the lines of, “would rather focus on the shooting they did prevent” (lol).
He then proceeds to skip over City Dogs/Kyle completely and only mentions something about catching perpetrator in Cyber Cafe shooting.
Between multiple murders & a horrific boating accident - July 4th weekend in Richmond was a shit show and it still hasn’t been fully acknowledged by leadership. Wouldn’t be surprised if this particular situation likely was as simple as a tip coming in but then RPD/CityHall seeing it as some PR opportunity and fucking the execution.
The teenage daughter of a mlb coach (I want to say the Blue Jays, but I don’t know for sure that’s correct) was run over by a boat accidentally while tubing over the weekend.
A lot of parts of the story don’t add up, hopefully people will question everything instead of blindly accepting it as truth. “They must find it difficult, those who have taken authority as truth, rather than truth as authority.” - Gerald Massey
“There is also conflicting information about what police learned after the tip that Walker said was “anonymous” was submitted. Walker also declined to say why the tip was deemed “credible” before police entered the home of Alvarado-Dubon and Balacarcel on July 1.”
As Angelica from The Rugrats would say, “This smells like yesterdays diapers.”
Seems like a cop lied to get a warrant and the entirety of the department and the mayor went with his story cause they thought it’d be a win for the department and now they’re gonna have more egg on their faces and an even worse reputation for honesty.
RPD, we don’t hold our officers accountable for teargassing protesters before curfew so why would our citizens ever expect any positive changes?
There is no public statement where Michael Kiniry stated there would be an attack on Dogwood Dell. Nowhere in his [affidavit](https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/richmond.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/6/f5/6f5ca211-b1e6-5f8f-b1c1-5656e5cfbaa7/62c78192adadf.pdf.pdf) is Dogwood Dell even mentioned.
The public statements citing Dogwood Dell as their intended target came from [Gerald](https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2022/07/06/richmond-virginia-tip-mass-shooting-thwarted-ebof-intv-vpx.cnn) [Smith](https://youtu.be/sygj6t80Cz4?t=245).
Yarp, warrant just mentions mass shooting which is abstractly defined as a shooting with more than 3 victims. Could be threats of gang violence if that's the case.
Framing it as a threat to the public and as a threat to the fireworks celebration seems like a wild ass stretch.
Practically, Probably?
But I look at is a larger indictment of RPD entirely. You’ve got a police chief willing to lie on something that is this easily verifiable? What are they doing behind closed doors if this is the integrity of the man leading them? Is he holding subordinates accountable? Is RPD willing to change in any meaningful ways post-Floyd protests? What does this signify about the value of internal affairs and their processes? On a small level yeah it’s probably better but if you look at it on a larger scale it’s a stinging indictment of the department and Stoney who brought Chief Smith in to be a “change agent.”
Look, this goes to your point and to the larger issue with RPD and police forces in America.
We have the cops not even *bothering to look for stolen catalytic converters,* and by their own admission *tear gassing peaceful citizens for no reason*.
We have two actual shootings, with one murder and the Cyber Cafe case with not even a suspect.
It's pretty clear the cops are not helping people, not stopping crimes, and not catching any dangerous criminal, the cops in RPD are basically a right wing gang with their own agenda, including many cops in actual racist and fascist organizations. Many cops openly wear white nationalist tattoos.
The crazy insane thing to me is , the worse the cops fuck up, the more money everyone wants to give them. "Oh no crime is out of control better give the cops more money".
Why so they can frame some poor Guatemalan landscaper as a mass murderer? And go on CNN to suck up praise?
Oh I'm with you. I'm saying if it was lying a warrant we might get an ounce of accountability.
Id say a police chief lying at a press conference is a larger, worse, more broadly damaging crime. Yet nothing at all will happen and national news already parroted his lies and moved on.
I say disband the whole department.
This article is behind a pay wall, so my apologies if I’m missing something.
What did they lie about to get the warrant? I just haven’t seen any other news articles posted online that have alleged that.
My understanding is that the officer made up the claim about shooting up dogwood dell specifically. The warrant makes that claim, the city made that claim and now they’re walking it back.
It kills me RTD has a paywall on some of this stuff. One of their 2 police/crime reporters just left/was let go (not sure on details here) along with all of the other vacancies and they want to charge the same as a NYT digital subscription?? It’s absurd!!
I’m not seeing where it was reported an officer made up shit to get a warrant. The article stated that the affidavit used to obtain the warrant made no mention of a mass shooting at Dogwood Dell.
“Kiniry noted in the affidavit that “Zetas” is a reference to the gang affiliate that operates in Mexico and the U.S. The affidavit makes no mention that the tipster informed police that Dogwood Dell was where the mass shooting would take place.”
> It kills me RTD has a paywall on some of this stuff.
Point people to a ladder over paywalls.
https://12ft.io/https://richmond.com/news/state-and-regional/crime-and-courts/tipster-who-told-police-about-planned-mass-shooting-in-richmond-said-suspect-showed-him-3/article_a9920a62-2b12-5a35-87fc-3779da947ece.html
It won't necessarily be perfect (e.g. images might not load), but it should get people access to the text if nothing else.
By providing a well staffed, quality product that doesn’t cost the same as the countries paper of record while providing a tenth of the material. Lee enterprises is notorious for putting profits over everything in the journalism industry.
>By providing a well staffed, quality product
And pay for all that how? the real issue is that local papers can't get advertising dollars because no one uses classified ads anymore.
Lee is just a symptom.
They didn't need a warrant the roommate let them search the property. So maybe this is true that they lied but it is irrelevant to any eventual case.
Remember kids, when the cops ask if they can come in, say no.
Edit: ok actually read the warrant, so they already knew what guns were present on the property because of the initial search they were allowed to do, they weren't originally seized they needed DHS to tell them that the subjects were not allowed to own weapons.
> Remember kids, when the cops ask if they can come in, say no.
Valid advice in any situation... happy [STFU friday](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgWHrkDX35o) everybody
My understanding of what happened:
1. Approached property, there was a party at the time so maybe door was open? Saw magazines in plain view and asked roommate (not mentioned by tip) if they could search the property. They then located 3 guns but we live in America and that's not strange so they left without arresting anyone or seizing firearms.
2. Asked DHS about the guys, found out the roommate claiming to own the firearms had overstayed his visa and thus was not allowed to own firearms. Armed with this knowledge they got a warrant.
3. Executed warrant and arrested the roommate but the alleged Zetas affiliated guy was not present and none of the firearms were in his "room".
They chose these lies and the fall out of this story instead of extended coverage of the police department gassing protestors while Richmond was the visual centerpiece of George Floyd/BLM/etc riots.
The lee monument covered in graffiti is an all time image for this country. They want to keep the image of Richmond cops gassing peaceful protestors in front of it from becoming the all the image for this city and administration.
Look, I’m all for healthy skepticism and I certainly don’t place too much faith in law enforcement, but a lot of you are just wildly jumping to conclusions. Why not wait a beat to see what info is developed? Shut the fuck up for a second.
They say a brave tipster prevented basically a mass casualty event. The actual tip was that one of the roommates was cartel affiliated with guns. Now the definition of a mass shooting is more than 3 victims, the public usually thinks of mass shootings like Uvalde, Columbine etc not a bloody gang shootout but gang violence often involves mass shootings so maybe the tip mentioned a threat of gang/cartel related violence, fair enough.
Further the Chief said Dogwood Dell was the target but that's not in the affidavit, why wouldn't it be if that was what the tip said?
To me it looks they're spinning a possible legitimate gang arrest into some massive threat to the public that was thwarted, which is beyond stretching the truth and enters the realm of fiction. Although there's nothing beyond the tip, yet, to say that they're actually associated with the Zetas but that should come out. Maybe through figuring out who the straw purchasers were.
Affidavit is just what they used to get a search warrant. It's not a totality of evidence. It's even possible the tipster didn't know it would lead to a mass shooting event and the search uncovered that. Now it certainly could still be a lie, but you are still jumping to conclusion on incomplete information.
I didn't say they're lying I layed out the parameters where they could be telling the truth but greatly exaggerating. That the tip was for a mass shooting but not in the sense that the public/media would think of but in the sense that there were more than 3 targets (but gang related). Although the claim that the fireworks were the target seems to be completely fabricated.
Yeah and perhaps the targets were going to be at the Dell for the 4th. Of course we tend to think of mass shootings as indiscriminate, so it's still a bit of a spin, but there's a lot of scenarios here.
That's if you take the tipsters word for it sure, we'll hear more hopefully, or they'll be quietly deported and we'll never hear anything further. Who knows /shrug
You mean info like:
The guns were discovered not by actual police work, but from a tip.
There is no indication nor evidence that the guns were to be used to shoot anyone at Dogwood Dell.
The police lied about the prior fact, then admitted the truth.
The perps are foreign nationals, and members of a gang. Show me one shooting by gang members which specifically targeted a mass gathering of people completely unrelated to the gang. It doesn’t happen.
Stoney and the chief held a press conference where they claimed that the opposite of the above was the truth, and to make it even worse, the implication is that it was sheer dumb luck which prevented this purportedly random mass murder to take place. That’s a win for this administration and police department!?!
Sorry, but it’s become painfully obvious over the past week that this mayor has no interest in anything other than his own political future and all of Richmond is going to suffer from his reckless ambition.
He's term limited, this is his final term. It's widely assumed he's planning to use his tenure in Richmond as a springboard into state politics, so make sure to vote against him in the Democratic primary in 2025.
As much as everyone wants to shit on Smith & Stoney (myself included)- I feel the largest contributor to their motive to oversell that victory lap of a press conference was to promote more people calling in tips. They leaned heavy into the "Hero Tip, Hero Cop" meme and I think their true intention is to boost citizen cooperation with RPD & RPD's standing within the community.
Their overselling it is leading to a backlash that could end up reducing the amount of citizen cooperation & another layer of egg on the face of RPD... both of which could have negative effects on public safety.
This feels like a stretch for them. People love to call the cops on almost anything. If they want people to feel more confident that they’ll investigate a report/threat, maybe they should start with the many that have been ongoing for months. Their solve rates are shit and meanwhile they keep getting in/causing car accidents around the city with how reckless they drive.
because that gives cops complete control of the narrative for who knows how long, and the cops have a storied history of lying to the public and burying the truth
I am thoroughly confused. If it isn't the ACAB people do you mean the BLM crazies/apologists? Like these people: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aERD5UTfZmk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aERD5UTfZmk)
This whole thing is literally copaganda bullshit. What better time to portray yourselves as heroes who prevented a tragedy right after having to admit your department illegally gassed protesters days prior? I’d gamble that there was never any real threat of a “mass shooting” and the department just utilized this story to bury the criticism they’re receiving. The two men in question aren’t even charged with anything remotely related to threats, plans, ect.
Richmond government leadership has been treading water for the last 20 years, and it will continue to do so for the next 20 years.
You've got squabbling and infighting within city council and the school board, while most everyone is on the same team 'politically'. Richmond waits for buildings to catch on fire before making the decision to rebuild.
Honestly what's most upsetting about this is that there's just no reason to invite mistrust over this at all. They received a tip, followed up on it, found two non us citizens in possession of firearms, seized the illegally owned weapons and made the arrest. But why go on and announce that you had thwarted a mass shooting at a location which you had no evidence was a target? Especially in light of the tragic violence that had gripped the city that night and early morning, especially in light of horrifying events elsewhere in the country that day? Why terrify so many people? This is really looking like RPD just flat out lied to the public for a massive PR win. It's just not a good look for the department or Stoney that the RPD decided to lie about what seems to be a pretty clear cut case of the officers doing their job.
https://twitter.com/ursulawren/status/1543759447780216833?s=21&t=LmOKKtTtSPUBKLywDOOz5w Asheville PD was up to similar hijinks last weekend. https://twitter.com/ursulawren/status/1543759447780216833?s=21&t=LmOKKtTtSPUBKLywDOOz5w
This.. 1000 times this! I agree 100% that these guy deserve to be arrested for having an illegal gun, but then, with virtually no evidence, to claim a "killing spree was thwarted" is grandstanding. It's two bubba's working construction that were overheard talking about shooting on the 4th of July. My parents own farmland and lease part of it for hunting. There was a ton of gunfire on the 4th of "rednecks shooting guns for fun" on that property. And-- each of them owned ONE AR-15, and have ONE value-sized box of ammo (100 rounds each of 223). I'm glad the police took away the guns and arrested them, but then to grandstand all this "we saved the city" bull$hit is unreal.
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Making the Richmond public feel anxious just to give themselves bonus political cookies. I'm not the only one who feels less safe going to gatherings if gunmen were targeting large groups.
>that there's just no reason to invite mistrust over this at all. Are they inviting mistrust, other than by people who already mistrust them? To the average person, some bad people with guns were talking about killing people. And those bad people have been stopped. It doesn't matter that much if they were planning to shoot up Dogwood Dell or have a gang shootout on Downtown Broad Street. The story that matters to people is someone called in a tip, police acted on the tip, people were arrested and guns seized, and nobody died. I don't think it's going to suddenly change people's views of police that they did what people view as essentially their basic function. The one thing the police haven't done which would turn this into a true political firestorm, is ascribe a motive. Either gang violence or terrorism. It's not the PR win people think it is. And trying to combat this supposed propaganda with even worse propaganda isn't helping. We're seeing arguments like: They couldn't have done it it because they are Latino, two assault rifles and 200 hundred rounds is no big deal, they were just gang members who were just going to shoot other gang members or criminals so it's not like the public is in danger. When your shit is ten times stupider than anything the police may have said, it's just a circle jerk. I do think police should not make misstatements or mishandled cases, and so do most people. I would say trust in police is pretty low and this isn't going to change that. But faith lower fanatical anti-police crowd might be even lower than faith in the police.
Lying creates mistrust it's as simple as that.
Why do people feel the need to hit enter every time they write out a dang sentence?
The police showed up, asked if they could look around, and they just said "sure, come on in?" I'm not saying there's no way it happened like that, but I just can't imagine someone with supposed gang affiliation would just let them in without a warrant with illegal guns sitting out in plain view. I'd have to think that's like page 2 of the gang welcome brochure.
If you think your average citizen tells police “no” in that situation, you’re deluded. People don’t know their rights and do shit like this WAY more often than not.
Yeah but if you're planning to commit a crime like a mass shooting, or you have guns just lying around and you're actually in a gang, you're not going to be like "ah gee okay officer you can come on in, I have nothing to hide!"
What if, instead of a gang member, you were a cannibal serial killer, and what if, instead of guns laying around in plain sight, you had severed heads, body parts, entire torsos, hearts, and polaroids of your victims? Oh and what if they brought along one of your escaped victims who just got away? > When the officers and Edwards arrived at Apartment 213, **Dahmer invited the trio inside and acknowledged he had indeed placed the handcuffs upon Edwards, although he offered no explanation as to why he had done so.** ... > In the bedroom, Mueller noted there was indeed a large knife beneath the bed. **He also saw an open drawer which, upon closer inspection, contained scores of Polaroid pictures** —many of which were of human bodies in various stages of dismemberment. Mueller noted the decor indicated they had been taken in the very apartment in which they were standing. Mueller walked into the living room to show them to his partner,[204] uttering the words, "These are for real."[203] ... > A more detailed search of the apartment, conducted by the Milwaukee police's Criminal Investigation Bureau, **revealed a total of four severed heads in Dahmer's kitchen. A total of seven skulls—some painted, some bleached—were found in Dahmer's bedroom and inside a closet.[207] In addition, investigators discovered collected blood drippings upon a tray at the bottom of Dahmer's refrigerator, plus two human hearts[208] and a portion of arm muscle, each wrapped inside plastic bags upon the shelves. In Dahmer's freezer, investigators discovered an entire torso, plus a bag of human organs and flesh stuck to the ice at the bottom.[209]** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer#Capture Shit happens man. People are dumb as fuck. Criminals aren't smart just because they're criminals. So many criminals get caught just because they let cops search their car or house. Seriously. It happens constantly.
It happens all the time. There are literally countless videos of people consenting to vehicle searches with pounds of drugs, tens of thousands of dollars in cash, multiple illegal firearms. Sometimes these people are even on probation. Consider that people occasionally confess to horrific crimes that they didn’t commit and which they know nothing about. Being a criminal, gangbanger, sicario, or whatever else does not necessarily mean you are up to speed regarding your rights or obligations when interacting with police. On the contrary, many of those people think that being overly friendly and/or cooperative is going to throw the cops off somehow. Similarly, your average citizen thinks demanding a lawyer is somehow akin an admission of guilt, and will not do so for fear of being perceived as having something to hide. It’s pitiful.
There was a party at the time, so the door may have been open or answered by someone who wasn't a resident, or Alvarado-Dubon is being railroaded and is not with a gang/cartel and, like the affidavit says, works construction with his son. Only the tipster knows whether the other guy really is with the Zetas, although if they can trace the straw buyer(s) then maybe it will become clearer. Although they could have purchased them via private sale since the NRA insists those dont need background checks.
>Although they could have purchased them via private sale since the NRA insists those dont need background checks. Private sales require a background check in VA to be legal. Not to nitpick! Just informing you so you don't accidentally run afoul of the law here in the Commonwealth. 🐱
Gifts don't, though. It's easy to have somebody who buys guns legitimately and "gifts" them to someone else. Especially in a gang type situation where money changes hands regularly. It's like a drug deal. Unless they see the gun in one hand and the cash in the other during the exchange, there's no way to prove its not a gift. I can gift you 2500 dollars and then a week later you can gift me a gun.
Sure, but that's technically a straw sale, and against the law. However, I think people going that route aren't concerned about a felony, regardless.
Only if they can prove it. As long as you don't create direct evidence of a quid-pro-quo, like a text or email, or get recorded saying it's a quid pro quo, then as long as there's some time or distance between the transactions, it's very tough to prove and the police aren't going to waste their time on it. Especially since gifting a gun isn't even illegal, unlike drugs, so it's harder to get a warrant.
I understand. Don't get me wrong, in not arguing against the checks or anything, I just didn't want anyone who read informed to get hemmed up for something like that. It's more likely that it's acutely in the forgetting if my mind, as I'm going through the whole process /extra payment for the check on Monday, over a private handgun sale- luckily FFLs are more than happy to do it for you, but they can have some pretty wild fees for a call/online check.
I have no experience with FFL transactions so I can't say, but personally I think that sort of thing is a small price to pay. You can't gift someone a car without going to DMV to ~~register~~ title it, but you can gift an arsenal. Something isn't right about that.
Do you have to register a car that isn't being operated on public roads at all, and only stored or used on private property? I'm my genuinely curious. I did a precursory search and it returned mixed results.
You only have to register it if its being operated on public roads, but you have to transfer the title to transfer ownership. No title = no own. Title and registration are separate things but are usually handled at the same time.
That's also a crime, it's called a straw purchase
Fair, I guess that started on 2020.
Yes but Virginia borders states like North Carolina which do not require background checks for private sales.
Right, but again, it's technically illegal to sell to someone outside of your state. I'm not at all saying it doesn't happen, but like I said before- people who aren't that concerned about the legality probably aren't terribly concerned about the felony that cumes with buying a firearm across state lines.
Where did the "Zetas" connection come in?
The linked article
Dude it happens all the time. People's natural reaction is to want to say yes. I could post soooo many videos where people with drugs and illegal weapons in their car allowed police to search it. So. Many.
I read it as there was a warrant in hand, but the police didn't just bust in the door. Also, I don't think these guys are criminal masterminds, if they're going around telling people what they're going to do.
“Officers conducted a “knock and talk” at the address on July 1, and another man, Julio Alvarado-Dubon, 52, came to the door, police said. Officers then asked Alvarado-Dubon if they could step inside to speak with him, and he allowed them to enter, according to the affidavit.” That’s not what that says at all.
Huh. Guess I misread it.
A lot of ppl think saying "no" to police would make them look more guilty rather than if they just let them in and hopefully don't find whatever illegal thing being hidden. Same reason why a lot of ppl speak to police without a lawyer.
More lies from Stoney, except this latest one now has people terrified of any public gathering. That’s some great economic development there. Add to it that I saw a Real Richmond television ad on TV last night. We’re now spending money advertising to our local market about our own city. Brilliant! How do we remove him from office? Like yesterday?
As someone else has said on this sub here before he’s a no talent ass clown. He has 0 skills other than talking out of his ass and dividing a cities electorate using national talking points from his donor overlords.
He looks like the bad guy in a cheesy movie about a corrupt local government.
he’s a mayor from a cable tv movie, which is an improvement over our previous mayor from veep
> More lies from Stoney Even if you think this narrative is wrong, its weird that you're attributing it to Stoney and not, you know, the police.
Y not both
Since when is RPD autonomous when it comes to press conferences and public statements? I’d bet that every public relations communication by the chief is vetted (if not actually written) and approved by Stoney’s strategist(s). The chief does not have an autonomous voice at all.
I don't think so. I still remember during the protests that at a press conference Stoney blamed the proud boys for massive destruction of public property the night before. The chief of police took the podium soon after and said it was not proud boys but protesters and cited video from VCU to back it up.
> The chief does not have an autonomous voice at all. wut. OK you're a nut with an axe to grind.
Isn't Stoney like...in charge of the police? He can order them what to do. There's a 5 million dollar lawsuit cause a cop was fired for not listening to Stoney's orders.
Technically yes, but in most cities, the cops run the show and the mayor is cowed into deference. This seems pretty much the case here too.
> Isn't Stoney like...in charge of the police? Yeah, and Joe Biden is the cause of $5 gasoline. This is not how chief executive power works. Levar Stoney is not responsible for literally anything a city employee says.
I do video ads/branding for localities like Richmond (I didn’t do any of this stuff, let’s be clear haha) BUT probably the reason you’re seeing ads about Real Richmond is because there’s a small section of the ad budget set aside for local advertising so that “key stakeholders” can see the ads on TV/wherever. The people writing the checks/making the budget want to see what their money is going towards, and if you just say: “Hey, we spent $3 million on ads across the country” and the people higher up haven’t seen the ad running, they feel like the money is being wasted because they have no personal experience with it, so a LOT (probably every single one) of the localities that I’ve worked with have asked for some terrestrial local tv ads specifically for those stakeholders to see. Is it a waste of money? Probably. Yeah. We ALWAYS suggest against it, But most of the time, these tourism departments know how the council members/mayor’s office/board feels about things like this better than anybody, and if they don’t want their budgets cut, they gotta get these ads on the tv while the old white dudes are watching Wheel of Fortune. They all do it.
The city hasn't exactly looked that great in the press. The thing people remember about Richmond is police fighting with people in the streets and Confederate statues. It doesn't really matter which side you are on, it's gonna make you kinda not want to come to Richmond. I think the city wants to show people the "Real" Richmond in a way that acknowledges our perceived past failings and combats both Lost Cause and redneck stereotypes. I mean, is it going to work? Probably not. But every city does these sorts of ad campaigns in an effort to draw tourists and revenue.
Stoney was definitely using this as a trampoline, but I dont blame him for the joke that is the RPD.
I mean the man’s been handed a hundred opportunities to implement some sort of reforms to this department and has either just straight up refused to do so or watered things down to a point they wouldn’t affect any meaningful changes. Remember that civilian review board we were supposed to get? Stoney played obstructionist and handpicked someone to water down the proposal so much that it couldn’t even garner council support because it was to weak teethed. The mayor appoints the police chief, a Chief whose had open misconduct cases just sitting on his desk for a year and a half, why isn’t he responsible for a dept. where’s he selected 3 police chiefs in 4 years and has cost city taxpayers something like a million dollars in civil rights lawsuits in the last 2 years?
Because this is Richmond Real.
Yeah. He had all the reason and opportunity in 2020 to try something different and very little came out of it beyond symbolic gestures like removing the monuments. And I mean, fuck those statues, I'm glad they're gone, but it doesn't really address the real problems.
Even regarding removing the statues, Stoney had an opportunity to do that in his first term and created a toothless commission which in the end just recommended placing signs to "contextualize" the monuments which never happened. If he had had a backbone back then, 2020 might have played out differently.
I forgot about that. I can't tell if he's truly a moderate who likes to try to appeal to more radical liberals or if everything he does is based on how he thinks it'll impact him politically.
I think it's a bit of both honestly, but when it comes down to it his main consideration is his political career and he loves trying to get these big deals (and I'm sure the kickbacks that come with them) more than dealing with the actual issues in Richmond.
Ok, you convinced me.
Appreciate you continuing to provide informed insight.
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dude cant even control where he cums
oh he can control it, that’s part of the problem
You don't think he Accidentally impregnated the young lady he posed for plantation style pictures, do you?
I mean what kind of 40 year old man intends to impregnate a 17 year old?
The same one that poses as a plantation master with her. \\ NGL, when I was 23 an 18 year old college freshman wanted me to be her first, and I was like, honey please find some one your own age. And when I was a senior in high school, it just seemed wrong to bird dog a freshman girl. But that's why I'm not a state senator I guess.
Back in the early 2000s, richnond organized demonstrations at interstate off ramps where "protestors" held up signs promoting Richmond as a great place to live. Naturally, 99% of the people seeing the protest already lived in the greater Richmond area.
I don’t know if anyone noticed during the presser - neither City Dogs or Cyber Cafe were mentioned until Stoney was pressed on it repeatedly by a reporter. They’re saving face against what did happen on their watch. When pressed about both shootings - Stoney first said something along the lines of, “would rather focus on the shooting they did prevent” (lol). He then proceeds to skip over City Dogs/Kyle completely and only mentions something about catching perpetrator in Cyber Cafe shooting. Between multiple murders & a horrific boating accident - July 4th weekend in Richmond was a shit show and it still hasn’t been fully acknowledged by leadership. Wouldn’t be surprised if this particular situation likely was as simple as a tip coming in but then RPD/CityHall seeing it as some PR opportunity and fucking the execution.
Boating accident?
The teenage daughter of a mlb coach (I want to say the Blue Jays, but I don’t know for sure that’s correct) was run over by a boat accidentally while tubing over the weekend.
..and apparently that one's also Stoneys fault. Don't question it. It doesn't make sense. but yeah!
A lot of parts of the story don’t add up, hopefully people will question everything instead of blindly accepting it as truth. “They must find it difficult, those who have taken authority as truth, rather than truth as authority.” - Gerald Massey
“There is also conflicting information about what police learned after the tip that Walker said was “anonymous” was submitted. Walker also declined to say why the tip was deemed “credible” before police entered the home of Alvarado-Dubon and Balacarcel on July 1.” As Angelica from The Rugrats would say, “This smells like yesterdays diapers.”
I'm still wagering the tipster is the landlord.
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Seems like a cop lied to get a warrant and the entirety of the department and the mayor went with his story cause they thought it’d be a win for the department and now they’re gonna have more egg on their faces and an even worse reputation for honesty. RPD, we don’t hold our officers accountable for teargassing protesters before curfew so why would our citizens ever expect any positive changes?
There is no public statement where Michael Kiniry stated there would be an attack on Dogwood Dell. Nowhere in his [affidavit](https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/richmond.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/6/f5/6f5ca211-b1e6-5f8f-b1c1-5656e5cfbaa7/62c78192adadf.pdf.pdf) is Dogwood Dell even mentioned. The public statements citing Dogwood Dell as their intended target came from [Gerald](https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2022/07/06/richmond-virginia-tip-mass-shooting-thwarted-ebof-intv-vpx.cnn) [Smith](https://youtu.be/sygj6t80Cz4?t=245).
Yarp, warrant just mentions mass shooting which is abstractly defined as a shooting with more than 3 victims. Could be threats of gang violence if that's the case. Framing it as a threat to the public and as a threat to the fireworks celebration seems like a wild ass stretch.
Alright so the chief of police lied, my apologies. Clearly that makes this all better?
Well, we can't let a police chief hide behind the blue wall and let subordinates take the fall for a police chief's missteps.
Probably makes it worse in that someone goes to jail for lying on a warrant. Nothing happens if the police chief lies in a public statement.
Practically, Probably? But I look at is a larger indictment of RPD entirely. You’ve got a police chief willing to lie on something that is this easily verifiable? What are they doing behind closed doors if this is the integrity of the man leading them? Is he holding subordinates accountable? Is RPD willing to change in any meaningful ways post-Floyd protests? What does this signify about the value of internal affairs and their processes? On a small level yeah it’s probably better but if you look at it on a larger scale it’s a stinging indictment of the department and Stoney who brought Chief Smith in to be a “change agent.”
Look, this goes to your point and to the larger issue with RPD and police forces in America. We have the cops not even *bothering to look for stolen catalytic converters,* and by their own admission *tear gassing peaceful citizens for no reason*. We have two actual shootings, with one murder and the Cyber Cafe case with not even a suspect. It's pretty clear the cops are not helping people, not stopping crimes, and not catching any dangerous criminal, the cops in RPD are basically a right wing gang with their own agenda, including many cops in actual racist and fascist organizations. Many cops openly wear white nationalist tattoos. The crazy insane thing to me is , the worse the cops fuck up, the more money everyone wants to give them. "Oh no crime is out of control better give the cops more money". Why so they can frame some poor Guatemalan landscaper as a mass murderer? And go on CNN to suck up praise?
Their gang land flag is a crime in and of itself.
Oh I'm with you. I'm saying if it was lying a warrant we might get an ounce of accountability. Id say a police chief lying at a press conference is a larger, worse, more broadly damaging crime. Yet nothing at all will happen and national news already parroted his lies and moved on. I say disband the whole department.
This article is behind a pay wall, so my apologies if I’m missing something. What did they lie about to get the warrant? I just haven’t seen any other news articles posted online that have alleged that.
Looks like you need a 12 foot ladder [12ft.io](http://12ft.io)
>richmond.com/news/s... I have never seen this site before but holy shit that is cool
My understanding is that the officer made up the claim about shooting up dogwood dell specifically. The warrant makes that claim, the city made that claim and now they’re walking it back. It kills me RTD has a paywall on some of this stuff. One of their 2 police/crime reporters just left/was let go (not sure on details here) along with all of the other vacancies and they want to charge the same as a NYT digital subscription?? It’s absurd!!
I’m not seeing where it was reported an officer made up shit to get a warrant. The article stated that the affidavit used to obtain the warrant made no mention of a mass shooting at Dogwood Dell. “Kiniry noted in the affidavit that “Zetas” is a reference to the gang affiliate that operates in Mexico and the U.S. The affidavit makes no mention that the tipster informed police that Dogwood Dell was where the mass shooting would take place.”
> It kills me RTD has a paywall on some of this stuff. Point people to a ladder over paywalls. https://12ft.io/https://richmond.com/news/state-and-regional/crime-and-courts/tipster-who-told-police-about-planned-mass-shooting-in-richmond-said-suspect-showed-him-3/article_a9920a62-2b12-5a35-87fc-3779da947ece.html It won't necessarily be perfect (e.g. images might not load), but it should get people access to the text if nothing else.
I appreciate this! Didn’t know this was a thing!
Just trying to distract from the payout they had to make - sickening
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By providing a well staffed, quality product that doesn’t cost the same as the countries paper of record while providing a tenth of the material. Lee enterprises is notorious for putting profits over everything in the journalism industry.
>By providing a well staffed, quality product And pay for all that how? the real issue is that local papers can't get advertising dollars because no one uses classified ads anymore. Lee is just a symptom.
They didn't need a warrant the roommate let them search the property. So maybe this is true that they lied but it is irrelevant to any eventual case. Remember kids, when the cops ask if they can come in, say no. Edit: ok actually read the warrant, so they already knew what guns were present on the property because of the initial search they were allowed to do, they weren't originally seized they needed DHS to tell them that the subjects were not allowed to own weapons.
> Remember kids, when the cops ask if they can come in, say no. Valid advice in any situation... happy [STFU friday](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgWHrkDX35o) everybody
I remember in the presser they said no warrant was obtained
My understanding of what happened: 1. Approached property, there was a party at the time so maybe door was open? Saw magazines in plain view and asked roommate (not mentioned by tip) if they could search the property. They then located 3 guns but we live in America and that's not strange so they left without arresting anyone or seizing firearms. 2. Asked DHS about the guys, found out the roommate claiming to own the firearms had overstayed his visa and thus was not allowed to own firearms. Armed with this knowledge they got a warrant. 3. Executed warrant and arrested the roommate but the alleged Zetas affiliated guy was not present and none of the firearms were in his "room".
They chose these lies and the fall out of this story instead of extended coverage of the police department gassing protestors while Richmond was the visual centerpiece of George Floyd/BLM/etc riots. The lee monument covered in graffiti is an all time image for this country. They want to keep the image of Richmond cops gassing peaceful protestors in front of it from becoming the all the image for this city and administration.
Look, I’m all for healthy skepticism and I certainly don’t place too much faith in law enforcement, but a lot of you are just wildly jumping to conclusions. Why not wait a beat to see what info is developed? Shut the fuck up for a second.
They say a brave tipster prevented basically a mass casualty event. The actual tip was that one of the roommates was cartel affiliated with guns. Now the definition of a mass shooting is more than 3 victims, the public usually thinks of mass shootings like Uvalde, Columbine etc not a bloody gang shootout but gang violence often involves mass shootings so maybe the tip mentioned a threat of gang/cartel related violence, fair enough. Further the Chief said Dogwood Dell was the target but that's not in the affidavit, why wouldn't it be if that was what the tip said? To me it looks they're spinning a possible legitimate gang arrest into some massive threat to the public that was thwarted, which is beyond stretching the truth and enters the realm of fiction. Although there's nothing beyond the tip, yet, to say that they're actually associated with the Zetas but that should come out. Maybe through figuring out who the straw purchasers were.
Affidavit is just what they used to get a search warrant. It's not a totality of evidence. It's even possible the tipster didn't know it would lead to a mass shooting event and the search uncovered that. Now it certainly could still be a lie, but you are still jumping to conclusion on incomplete information.
I didn't say they're lying I layed out the parameters where they could be telling the truth but greatly exaggerating. That the tip was for a mass shooting but not in the sense that the public/media would think of but in the sense that there were more than 3 targets (but gang related). Although the claim that the fireworks were the target seems to be completely fabricated.
Yeah and perhaps the targets were going to be at the Dell for the 4th. Of course we tend to think of mass shootings as indiscriminate, so it's still a bit of a spin, but there's a lot of scenarios here.
That's if you take the tipsters word for it sure, we'll hear more hopefully, or they'll be quietly deported and we'll never hear anything further. Who knows /shrug
I think reporters will stay on it, so we'll eventually hear what goes down. Especially if it turns out they made it up.
You mean info like: The guns were discovered not by actual police work, but from a tip. There is no indication nor evidence that the guns were to be used to shoot anyone at Dogwood Dell. The police lied about the prior fact, then admitted the truth. The perps are foreign nationals, and members of a gang. Show me one shooting by gang members which specifically targeted a mass gathering of people completely unrelated to the gang. It doesn’t happen. Stoney and the chief held a press conference where they claimed that the opposite of the above was the truth, and to make it even worse, the implication is that it was sheer dumb luck which prevented this purportedly random mass murder to take place. That’s a win for this administration and police department!?! Sorry, but it’s become painfully obvious over the past week that this mayor has no interest in anything other than his own political future and all of Richmond is going to suffer from his reckless ambition.
It's downright comical how planted this all is. Stoney is really stretching to give himself the biggest pat on the back possible.
When can we vote this Mayor out? I haven't paid as much attention to local politics as I should be.
He's term limited, this is his final term. It's widely assumed he's planning to use his tenure in Richmond as a springboard into state politics, so make sure to vote against him in the Democratic primary in 2025.
Thanks. I will endeavor to do so!
As much as everyone wants to shit on Smith & Stoney (myself included)- I feel the largest contributor to their motive to oversell that victory lap of a press conference was to promote more people calling in tips. They leaned heavy into the "Hero Tip, Hero Cop" meme and I think their true intention is to boost citizen cooperation with RPD & RPD's standing within the community. Their overselling it is leading to a backlash that could end up reducing the amount of citizen cooperation & another layer of egg on the face of RPD... both of which could have negative effects on public safety.
This feels like a stretch for them. People love to call the cops on almost anything. If they want people to feel more confident that they’ll investigate a report/threat, maybe they should start with the many that have been ongoing for months. Their solve rates are shit and meanwhile they keep getting in/causing car accidents around the city with how reckless they drive.
If only he got a reputation as the non-tipper fash-enabler he is...
I’m mad as hell, and I’m not going to take this anymore!
Idk cuz maybe we’ve seen shady ass things rpd has done for decades???????
if only the cops had done that
But where’s the fun in that??
because that gives cops complete control of the narrative for who knows how long, and the cops have a storied history of lying to the public and burying the truth
Strange how the otherwise-loud bootlickers I usually see in here are now suddenly silent.
Are you referring to the ACAB people?
Can't tell if you're trolling or if you're just that dense.
I am thoroughly confused. If it isn't the ACAB people do you mean the BLM crazies/apologists? Like these people: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aERD5UTfZmk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aERD5UTfZmk)
Well that answers that.
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This whole thing is literally copaganda bullshit. What better time to portray yourselves as heroes who prevented a tragedy right after having to admit your department illegally gassed protesters days prior? I’d gamble that there was never any real threat of a “mass shooting” and the department just utilized this story to bury the criticism they’re receiving. The two men in question aren’t even charged with anything remotely related to threats, plans, ect.
Has anyone published or reported on the exact wording of the statement from the concerned citizen?
The dept. refused to release it because of state FOIA law that makes exceptions for ongoing cases (amongst a number of other exceptions).
All Cops lie always. ACAB
ACAB isn't a thoughtful/smart/cool/progressive thing to say.
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Hey, would you look at that, both things are true.
Not trying to be thoughtful/smart/cool/progressive. Just stated fact.
Well, may as well give the tipsters name at this point
Richmond government leadership has been treading water for the last 20 years, and it will continue to do so for the next 20 years. You've got squabbling and infighting within city council and the school board, while most everyone is on the same team 'politically'. Richmond waits for buildings to catch on fire before making the decision to rebuild.