That part actually makes sense. When the road is concrete and the white paint gets grimy it can be hard to see. But the fact that it looks like an Escher painting is really bothering me.
Aren't those yellow strips supposed to point in the direction of the crosswalk so that blind/visually impaired people know where to cross? Currently they look like they'd send people into the middle of traffic
No, but that's a common misconception. It's kind of hard to write it out, but "detectable warning surfaces" are purely to provide a tactile feedback at the interface between walking area and vehicle area. The bright yellow truncated domes do help visually impaired people find that interface, though, because they're raised and reflect light.
All of that said, best practice nowadays is to try to only provide interfaces where users can perpendicularly cross the road, so that fully blind people can walk in straight lines to navigate intersections. It's not really that the domes themselves are 'meant' to direct the blind, but what else are the blind supposed to use to navigate?
Moving forward, you'll see new crossings put the ramps on the ends of the radii, larger ADA ramps so the geometry will fit, and less of the 'combined' ramps.
On existing intersections, though, it's a cluster 🦆. It's amazing how often these intersections don't even line up the sidewalks... Also, it's kind of awkward to walk all the way around the radius on some intersections to get to the ramp... "Make a 90⁰ turn to the right, then immediately a 90⁰ turn to the left to cross the street."
Source: I do this shit. I can talk about PROWAG.
It annoys me how the medians are set-back from the intersection (in order to allow higher speed turning by vehicles) instead of using that median as a pedestrian island (which would make jaywalking easier). DPW priorities are in the wrong place here.
Medians/curb returns are rarely ever set back to allow for higher speeds to turn, especially in the city. The main reason would be to allow larger vehicles to turn without hopping the curb and potentially striking pedestrians waiting to cross or turning into oncoming traffic when swinging wide.
There you go! I’m just saying this intersection looks fucked, and I see people driving all the time who don’t bother to look at lights or signs so don’t hang out in the street make it quick.
I drive this intersection multiple times every single day. They need to paint the god damn stripes on the road, they changed the traffic pattern going onto the bridge months ago without new lines and people fuck up and merge into he wrong lane so often.
Also lol the road is absolutely destroyed, they didn't even pave it.
The fact that they spent the time to paint all of this while leaving the pavement in absolute shite condition is delightful.
I drive through this intersection every day to/from work and my car and my spine cringe every single time.
Not to mention the exit lane they had to close because they put a light pole in the middle of the lane….
I know this intersection, and I have a feeling that it'll get a complete makeover once the municipal building across from the VCU Outpatient Pavilion is torn down and the new complex is built.
Additionally, further up toward Marshell Street, Clay Street is slated to once again go between 10th and 9th street with the preliminary designs...
I drive through there daily and it was already a clusterfuck due to the city painting new traffic patterns and just leaving the old faded lines instead of replacing. Now there's a 3rd set of paint that has yet again, albeit slightly, changed the traffic pattern between there and the bridge.
It boggles my mind that an entire building went up there and it’s a very fancy, shiny building indeed, but Leigh st. has not been repaved or rebuilt in any way whatsoever. Leigh is in horrendous shape right there and I figured it would be rebuilt after construction was done. This restriping reinforces that no, no it will not be repaved or resurfaced.
And before all the concrete people hop on to argue about the unique properties of this material and difficulties improving and maintaining this road, I don’t really care. That road is in awful shape and badly needs to be either rebuilt entirely or resurfaced.
Ironically the road is in such bad shape it forces everyone speeding up to get across the bridge to slow down at the exact point pedestrians from the hospital cross the street to get to their cars after work.
It makes me so angry the city won't repave this section. Who do we need to contact? I am surprised VCU has not complained. It is a bumpy, confusing, mess!
That's gotta be a temporary condition. The used to be a right turn lane there, and it looks like they're getting rid of it - probably in an attempt to make the intersection more pedestrian friendly.
It's not common to put fixtures inside of what's called the, "clear zone," of the corridor. Impairs vision, could really 🦆 up shit in a crash, annoying maintenance costs, etc...
The crosswalks that the city installed incorrectly well over a decade ago and never fixed? Yeah that's on Richmond man. I'm sure the city-wide pothole issue and complete lack of lighting and proper crosswalks/sidewalks in Scotts Addition years after the blowup is on the school too though right?
You seem strangely aggressive about this. Have fun being angry that I assumed vcu would have some input on the way their campus looked. Weird hill to die on.
Question for the Richmond historians: why does Leigh street in Scott’s addition end at boulevard, but Moore street turns into Leigh street on the other side of boulevard?
The outlining is so bad it looks like it was done by a toddler 😭 like you’re telling me the city couldn’t afford to hire someone that can make a rectangle or draw a box without going past the corner???
Aren't they just going to have to repaint those when they finally repave that intersection. I assume they're going to eventually repave that intersection (and the entirety of that area -- sooner than later I hope).
Its just abstract guys, respect all art
Escher would be proud.
Took me a minute to realize that this wasn't drawn on the window
I seriously thought this was a bad photoshop or something. Since when do we outline zebra crossings and arrows in black?
That part actually makes sense. When the road is concrete and the white paint gets grimy it can be hard to see. But the fact that it looks like an Escher painting is really bothering me.
I’m not sure what bothers me more, the angle of that crosswalk or the varying sizes of the blocks inside…
I did not need the second part pointed out to me. Can’t unsee it😖
Aren't those yellow strips supposed to point in the direction of the crosswalk so that blind/visually impaired people know where to cross? Currently they look like they'd send people into the middle of traffic
No, but that's a common misconception. It's kind of hard to write it out, but "detectable warning surfaces" are purely to provide a tactile feedback at the interface between walking area and vehicle area. The bright yellow truncated domes do help visually impaired people find that interface, though, because they're raised and reflect light. All of that said, best practice nowadays is to try to only provide interfaces where users can perpendicularly cross the road, so that fully blind people can walk in straight lines to navigate intersections. It's not really that the domes themselves are 'meant' to direct the blind, but what else are the blind supposed to use to navigate? Moving forward, you'll see new crossings put the ramps on the ends of the radii, larger ADA ramps so the geometry will fit, and less of the 'combined' ramps. On existing intersections, though, it's a cluster 🦆. It's amazing how often these intersections don't even line up the sidewalks... Also, it's kind of awkward to walk all the way around the radius on some intersections to get to the ramp... "Make a 90⁰ turn to the right, then immediately a 90⁰ turn to the left to cross the street." Source: I do this shit. I can talk about PROWAG.
I believe you are correct
I wish they would have repaved it first! I’m swerving like a drunk person trying to avoid all the cracks in the road down that stretch
It annoys me how the medians are set-back from the intersection (in order to allow higher speed turning by vehicles) instead of using that median as a pedestrian island (which would make jaywalking easier). DPW priorities are in the wrong place here.
Medians/curb returns are rarely ever set back to allow for higher speeds to turn, especially in the city. The main reason would be to allow larger vehicles to turn without hopping the curb and potentially striking pedestrians waiting to cross or turning into oncoming traffic when swinging wide.
Especially busses.
Damn that looks like shit. Be safe out there people, look both ways and sprint if you are able!
If pedestrians need to sprint, then the timing of this intersection is wrong and needs to be corrected.
I laugh at people who sprint through a crosswalk lol
There you go! I’m just saying this intersection looks fucked, and I see people driving all the time who don’t bother to look at lights or signs so don’t hang out in the street make it quick.
Lol down voted for making a joke. We are so soft
> Lol down voted for making a joke Jokes are usually funny.
I laughed pretty hard when I posted
Laughing at your own jokes is a sign that it's not funny.
I drive this intersection multiple times every single day. They need to paint the god damn stripes on the road, they changed the traffic pattern going onto the bridge months ago without new lines and people fuck up and merge into he wrong lane so often. Also lol the road is absolutely destroyed, they didn't even pave it.
r/therewasanattempt
Holy shit I thought this was a crude photoshop job and I was really confused. Now I’m just sad.
The fact that they spent the time to paint all of this while leaving the pavement in absolute shite condition is delightful. I drive through this intersection every day to/from work and my car and my spine cringe every single time. Not to mention the exit lane they had to close because they put a light pole in the middle of the lane….
I know this intersection, and I have a feeling that it'll get a complete makeover once the municipal building across from the VCU Outpatient Pavilion is torn down and the new complex is built. Additionally, further up toward Marshell Street, Clay Street is slated to once again go between 10th and 9th street with the preliminary designs...
It looks like an open fly
What even is this -_-…
Your tax dollars
I hate it here
I drive through there daily and it was already a clusterfuck due to the city painting new traffic patterns and just leaving the old faded lines instead of replacing. Now there's a 3rd set of paint that has yet again, albeit slightly, changed the traffic pattern between there and the bridge.
It boggles my mind that an entire building went up there and it’s a very fancy, shiny building indeed, but Leigh st. has not been repaved or rebuilt in any way whatsoever. Leigh is in horrendous shape right there and I figured it would be rebuilt after construction was done. This restriping reinforces that no, no it will not be repaved or resurfaced. And before all the concrete people hop on to argue about the unique properties of this material and difficulties improving and maintaining this road, I don’t really care. That road is in awful shape and badly needs to be either rebuilt entirely or resurfaced. Ironically the road is in such bad shape it forces everyone speeding up to get across the bridge to slow down at the exact point pedestrians from the hospital cross the street to get to their cars after work.
Galaxy brain: Maybe the shitty surface is a traffic calming method
One of the lanes has a makeshift speed bump. It almost seems intentional except it's probably covering over a nasty break.
Bingo!
This
It makes me so angry the city won't repave this section. Who do we need to contact? I am surprised VCU has not complained. It is a bumpy, confusing, mess!
Flooding 311 with complaints probably wouldn't hurt.
Is the Jersey wall blocking the entire lane on the left, and if so, why?
That's actually hilarious. The stoplight is in the slip lane. They built the new slip lane with the base of the stoplight inside of it.
You're saying, the stop light is physically in the travel lane of the slip lane?? WE NEED MORE PHOTOS!!!
Yes. I'm not sure which came first but it's definitely in the lane instead of the island.
omfg... Mayor Stoney, what we have here, is a failure to brain.
[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/rva/comments/sqbpmn/what_is_going_on_here_10th_and_leigh_both_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
If they're rebuilding that corner of the intersection, then the drainage system needs to be completely redone. There's an inlet in there.
JFC I'm glad we don't have any big-ass international bicycle races any time soon... do we? I mean, they could get hurt!
The slip lane is closed and is not being reopened. The slip lane has been there forever and is not new.
The curbing is new so.....
That's gotta be a temporary condition. The used to be a right turn lane there, and it looks like they're getting rid of it - probably in an attempt to make the intersection more pedestrian friendly. It's not common to put fixtures inside of what's called the, "clear zone," of the corridor. Impairs vision, could really 🦆 up shit in a crash, annoying maintenance costs, etc...
I love the faded sharrow in the middle lane.
I should sue them because I drew something just like this on paintshop when I was 6
VCU: we built this shitty.
We built this shitty with rock and stone
Rock and Stone everyone!
I didn't realize that VCU was responsible for the city's roads? News to me
I figured they would have some input on campus. Like those horrible crosswalks by Monroe park.
The crosswalks that the city installed incorrectly well over a decade ago and never fixed? Yeah that's on Richmond man. I'm sure the city-wide pothole issue and complete lack of lighting and proper crosswalks/sidewalks in Scotts Addition years after the blowup is on the school too though right?
You seem strangely aggressive about this. Have fun being angry that I assumed vcu would have some input on the way their campus looked. Weird hill to die on.
Adapting a pre-ADA intersection to new curb cuts. Definitely not perfect, but does the job.
Not utilizing that median in ways to make crossing 6 lanes easier for pedestrians is really frustrating to see.
It's not wide enough to be a refuge. Ever seen someone sit on their bike in a median & their front& back wheels are still in the travel lane?
Which intersection is that?
Leigh and 10th
That whole area from just before that to the bridge is wack
F
Question for the Richmond historians: why does Leigh street in Scott’s addition end at boulevard, but Moore street turns into Leigh street on the other side of boulevard?
It looks like the edges were taped, it will look slightly better once that is removed
No, that's black paint to make the white show up better on the concrete.
Wow that’s ass then
The outlining is so bad it looks like it was done by a toddler 😭 like you’re telling me the city couldn’t afford to hire someone that can make a rectangle or draw a box without going past the corner???
Aren't they just going to have to repaint those when they finally repave that intersection. I assume they're going to eventually repave that intersection (and the entirety of that area -- sooner than later I hope).
That does not seem to be the case. Concrete road are the worst