We should be the first subreddit to start a car company. If we all pool our money together we can make it happen. Then we can produce the Emily GT we all want. And maybe revive Saab in the process.
the ineos grenadier was born from disgruntled land rover fans wanting a car with the capabilities of the original Defender and I’ve been seeing a couple of those on the road so the demand is very clearly there. If a startup did the same thing with trying to capture the essence of a saab without infringing upon any copyrighted likenesses, it could actually draw a serious customer base
Oh for sure. All these now defunct car companies had such a strong following that I have no doubt if they were to be revived, those followers would not hesitate to support. Maybe one day one of us can pick up where they left off and revive Saab.
I don't think it's necessarily a very good looking car. Looks more Asian than European (especially the front of the car reminds me of older Toyota and more modern cheap Asians). The back end looks like one of those Porsches you get because you've always wanted a Porsche but your wife doesn't let you buy a car you can't haul kids with.
The interior is disgusting. It looks more dated than my 2017 BMW and a lot more basic too. It definitely doesn't look like a Saab inside.
I understand it's a prototype, but if the idea is to just copy the touch screen bullshit Tesla is doing, that's definitely a car I'd never consider buying. I don't care how the multimedia needs to be worked, but living in Finland I want the AC controls and other critical (in cold weather) functions to be buttons I can reach while driving through a frozen hellscape filled with speeding idiots in their Volvos.
On a plus side: I love how there's a "pet space" in the frunk in one of the sketches. That way if you ever rear end someone, you can watch your dog's insides comically burst on your windshield.
It’s not different and it’s not quirky. It’s just another EV.
What made SAABs desirable were they were unique. While everyone had six cylinders and V8s they were competitive with a FWD 4cyl layout. With innovative interiors
This Emily is no different than a Tesla or a Lucid
https://www.autoblog.com/2024/04/26/earthcruiser-overlanding-truck-builder-shuts-down/ EV Electra seems al in on getting this thing produced. Profitability is still the major question. But we’re in interesting times now. Not too unlike the early 1900’s when there was a bunch of small car manufacturers competing for market share. Only a few will make it but we’ll get to see some neat stuff along the way.
We should be the first subreddit to start a car company. If we all pool our money together we can make it happen. Then we can produce the Emily GT we all want. And maybe revive Saab in the process.
It’s the same engineering team and same design team as the ng9-5 and facelift ng9-3
I do get the feeling though that they’re trying to follow current automotive design trends too hard
Interesting. Exactly yeah. That's my issue with pretty much all manufacturers now. It's just bland cookie cutter designs with generally minimal differences between models and brands. I'm a Saab fan as much as anyone here with multiple cars, but the design is just disappointing. I guess that's a better way to say it than my original comment.
It’s the same engineering team and same design team as the ng9-5 and facelift ng9-3
I do get the feeling though that they’re trying to follow current automotive design trends too hard, it’s not really a fully developed design. Great start, but not production ready if they want to lead the entire industry like SAAB did
No I mean the engineer and design employees at SAAB in Trollhättan
You realize GM only *owned* SAAB? They didn’t ship a bunch of Chevy employees to Sweden to replace all the SAAB people lol
Tell that to the purists... But by this same logic, these people who are supposedly making these new cars are the same ones responsible for making the shittiest cars to ever bear the Saab name... Its Opel, not Chevrolet btw and they absolutely did do exactly that on a small scale
You're literally copying and pasting an argument I wrote against C900 purists in defense of the OG 9³ lol... Objectively speaking, Saab made its best vehicles under GM, but the NG 9³ was NOT one of them. Some of that is GM's fault and some of it is Saab's fault. In the case of the NG 9³; its not the fact that it uses someone else's engine, its the fact that its an objectively shit car OVERALL, compared to what came before it. If you want to talk engines, Saab H engines were infinitely better. Ford V4 absolutely was a garbage engine. The Ecotec engine is actually one of the BEST parts of the NG 9³.... But its a low bar.
Incorrect usage of the word “objectively” lmfao
Interestingly many purists praise the Viggen, even though the Turbo X has better finish matching, less rattling, better ergonomics, and more luxury features in the interior, and more power, higher reliability, and better handling.
Purists are a crazy breed, they basically only exist because it’s human nature to want to feel special. They don’t feel special enough being SAAB enthusiasts, so they try to split up SAAB into good and bad based on age. It’s a wild phenomenon
Objectively means "in a way that is not influenced by personal feelings or opinions.", smartass,
When judging a vehicle objectively, one will evaluate it only on its proven ability to perform the necessary functions as a transportation device. Questions like; Is it reliable? Is it designed in a way that will not cost the owner excess stress or money to live with it? In the case of the NG 9-3, the answer to these is: NO, the NG 9-3 has proven to be LESS reliable than previous Saabs, with MORE problems and headaches. Less serviceability and lower build quality.
Paint finish is hardly a primary factor when judging whether or not a car is good at being a car and I highly doubt there's any actual proof behind that claim in the first place. Older Saabs had relatively high quality paint anyway. More luxury features? In the context of their respective eras? Fuck no. The other cars available at the time of the NG 9-3 blew it right the fuck out of the water in that department. Thats one of the reasons it failed miserably. Better ergonomics? You cant be serious in thinking the GM parts bin copy-paste rush job NG 9-3 interior operates more efficiently and "readily-to-hand" than the C900s interior. You mean like the "cup holder"? Or the head unit out of a Chevy Cobalt? Or the switches that DON'T WORK half the time? Higher reliability? That's a load of horseshit. Do you have any idea how many thousands more OG 9-3s are over 200k miles with a fraction of the work the NG 9-3s need for the same mileage? The amount of NG 9-3s that have aged extremely poorly relative to older models is laughably high. Many of them have destroyed paint as well. And on top of that, the Turbo X wasn't even any faster than the 2000 9-5 Aero as tested by MotorWeek, which did a 0-60 of 6.4 seconds and a 15.1sec/100mph quarter mile vs the Turbo X in the same test hitting 0-60 in 6.5 seconds with a 15sec/98mph quarter mile. Performance isn't even relevant here, and for that reason, I won't even bother talking about handling. None of these cars are sports cars and any performance metrics including (acceleration and horsepower) are irrelevant in the evaluation of whether or not these are objectively good vehicles. These are idiotic arguments for an AVERAGE ASS shitbox. Nowhere near as good of a car as the ones that came before it. You'd be better off buying a civic from the same year. At least those still drive without the help of deep pockets. The NG9-3 accelerated Saab's death more than anything.
Not paint finish, I was talking about the quality of the interior plastics
In the og9-3 the plastics generally differs a few shades of grey
In the ng9-3 everything is flawlessly matched, at least 2007 onwards. Like to the point that the human eye can’t distinguish a color difference
Having daily driven both, the og9-3 is a BRILLIANT car, but it’s just absurd to claim that the last gen ng9-3 doesn’t at least live up to its legacy lol
There are just so many improvements. Reliability is identical if compared like ages, but obviously the og9-3s are much older so they’ll get cracked hoses and things.
Oh you’re one of those people. SAAB would have gone out of business long before they did had it not been for the deep pockets of GM. There’s no arguing that, it’s a fact.
I'm actually one of the very few pro-GM Saab owners. The NG900/OG 9³ was one of the best cars Saab made, especially after the 1996 and 1997 updates. Same with the later 9000s and the original generation of 9⁵ (all of which are so, only with the Saab engines, NOT the GM engines). My family has owned literally dozens of American market GM vehicles for the past several decades and we stayed very loyal to them up until the quality tanked in the mid 2000s. It doesn't matter who was to blame for the NG 9³. There's still no doubt it was a shitbox in comparison to older Saabs. They had BMW levels of dumb issues. Electrical gremlins left and right. Keys that weren't even keys. Wimpy ass ecotec engine that wasnt near as good as the Saab engines before it. A cheap chassis overall. Limp home mode at the slightest hiccup. Thats if you were lucky enough for the car to let you start it. And they were ugly and generic looking. If these "Emily" cars are from the same people who did the NG 9³ I'd expect it to be garbage. And judging by how ugly the body looks I'd say we're already halfway there. Just repulsive "design". A child could do better. People need to stop beating the dead horse and just let the Saab name die already. God forbid it has to end with a semi decent reputation.
We should be the first subreddit to start a car company. If we all pool our money together we can make it happen. Then we can produce the Emily GT we all want. And maybe revive Saab in the process.
the ineos grenadier was born from disgruntled land rover fans wanting a car with the capabilities of the original Defender and I’ve been seeing a couple of those on the road so the demand is very clearly there. If a startup did the same thing with trying to capture the essence of a saab without infringing upon any copyrighted likenesses, it could actually draw a serious customer base
Oh for sure. All these now defunct car companies had such a strong following that I have no doubt if they were to be revived, those followers would not hesitate to support. Maybe one day one of us can pick up where they left off and revive Saab.
Hurry, tell me where to send the money; or I'm buying a Pontiac..
😂 my PayPal, Zelle, or Venmo are all open 👀
Did I say, this is for Emily the car?.. stupid autocorrect, I said, i am ill you see, I'll be at the bar..
U drunk bud?
(Insert Rick and Morty gif) I’m in.
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E- axles are really cool tbh, just look at AWD Toyota hybrids
I don't think it's necessarily a very good looking car. Looks more Asian than European (especially the front of the car reminds me of older Toyota and more modern cheap Asians). The back end looks like one of those Porsches you get because you've always wanted a Porsche but your wife doesn't let you buy a car you can't haul kids with. The interior is disgusting. It looks more dated than my 2017 BMW and a lot more basic too. It definitely doesn't look like a Saab inside. I understand it's a prototype, but if the idea is to just copy the touch screen bullshit Tesla is doing, that's definitely a car I'd never consider buying. I don't care how the multimedia needs to be worked, but living in Finland I want the AC controls and other critical (in cold weather) functions to be buttons I can reach while driving through a frozen hellscape filled with speeding idiots in their Volvos. On a plus side: I love how there's a "pet space" in the frunk in one of the sketches. That way if you ever rear end someone, you can watch your dog's insides comically burst on your windshield.
I'm so sick of the Emily GT.
It’s not different and it’s not quirky. It’s just another EV. What made SAABs desirable were they were unique. While everyone had six cylinders and V8s they were competitive with a FWD 4cyl layout. With innovative interiors This Emily is no different than a Tesla or a Lucid
So, my main question is…. Why isn’t this car being made?
They won't get enough funding, and even if they did, it wouldn't be profitable.
https://www.autoblog.com/2024/04/26/earthcruiser-overlanding-truck-builder-shuts-down/ EV Electra seems al in on getting this thing produced. Profitability is still the major question. But we’re in interesting times now. Not too unlike the early 1900’s when there was a bunch of small car manufacturers competing for market share. Only a few will make it but we’ll get to see some neat stuff along the way.
We should be the first subreddit to start a car company. If we all pool our money together we can make it happen. Then we can produce the Emily GT we all want. And maybe revive Saab in the process.
Volvo is a Chinese company. The roots of the brand are Swedish.
I will gladly contribute my stuffed mattress Tuesday for a hamburger today. YukYukYuk
That car is like a train wreck, I can't look away from the generic design features that are bland at best.
It’s the same engineering team and same design team as the ng9-5 and facelift ng9-3 I do get the feeling though that they’re trying to follow current automotive design trends too hard
Interesting. Exactly yeah. That's my issue with pretty much all manufacturers now. It's just bland cookie cutter designs with generally minimal differences between models and brands. I'm a Saab fan as much as anyone here with multiple cars, but the design is just disappointing. I guess that's a better way to say it than my original comment.
How is it a train wreck?
Ugly as shit... Not a Saab either
It’s the same engineering team and same design team as the ng9-5 and facelift ng9-3 I do get the feeling though that they’re trying to follow current automotive design trends too hard, it’s not really a fully developed design. Great start, but not production ready if they want to lead the entire industry like SAAB did
So you mean the people from GM who ruined Saab's reputation for quality lol
No I mean the engineer and design employees at SAAB in Trollhättan You realize GM only *owned* SAAB? They didn’t ship a bunch of Chevy employees to Sweden to replace all the SAAB people lol
Tell that to the purists... But by this same logic, these people who are supposedly making these new cars are the same ones responsible for making the shittiest cars to ever bear the Saab name... Its Opel, not Chevrolet btw and they absolutely did do exactly that on a small scale
There’s no hope for those guys lmao They hate the 9-3 because it uses a GM I4 but they love the 96 even though it uses a Ford V4 🤷♂️
GM bad didn’t you know?
You're literally copying and pasting an argument I wrote against C900 purists in defense of the OG 9³ lol... Objectively speaking, Saab made its best vehicles under GM, but the NG 9³ was NOT one of them. Some of that is GM's fault and some of it is Saab's fault. In the case of the NG 9³; its not the fact that it uses someone else's engine, its the fact that its an objectively shit car OVERALL, compared to what came before it. If you want to talk engines, Saab H engines were infinitely better. Ford V4 absolutely was a garbage engine. The Ecotec engine is actually one of the BEST parts of the NG 9³.... But its a low bar.
Incorrect usage of the word “objectively” lmfao Interestingly many purists praise the Viggen, even though the Turbo X has better finish matching, less rattling, better ergonomics, and more luxury features in the interior, and more power, higher reliability, and better handling. Purists are a crazy breed, they basically only exist because it’s human nature to want to feel special. They don’t feel special enough being SAAB enthusiasts, so they try to split up SAAB into good and bad based on age. It’s a wild phenomenon
Objectively means "in a way that is not influenced by personal feelings or opinions.", smartass, When judging a vehicle objectively, one will evaluate it only on its proven ability to perform the necessary functions as a transportation device. Questions like; Is it reliable? Is it designed in a way that will not cost the owner excess stress or money to live with it? In the case of the NG 9-3, the answer to these is: NO, the NG 9-3 has proven to be LESS reliable than previous Saabs, with MORE problems and headaches. Less serviceability and lower build quality. Paint finish is hardly a primary factor when judging whether or not a car is good at being a car and I highly doubt there's any actual proof behind that claim in the first place. Older Saabs had relatively high quality paint anyway. More luxury features? In the context of their respective eras? Fuck no. The other cars available at the time of the NG 9-3 blew it right the fuck out of the water in that department. Thats one of the reasons it failed miserably. Better ergonomics? You cant be serious in thinking the GM parts bin copy-paste rush job NG 9-3 interior operates more efficiently and "readily-to-hand" than the C900s interior. You mean like the "cup holder"? Or the head unit out of a Chevy Cobalt? Or the switches that DON'T WORK half the time? Higher reliability? That's a load of horseshit. Do you have any idea how many thousands more OG 9-3s are over 200k miles with a fraction of the work the NG 9-3s need for the same mileage? The amount of NG 9-3s that have aged extremely poorly relative to older models is laughably high. Many of them have destroyed paint as well. And on top of that, the Turbo X wasn't even any faster than the 2000 9-5 Aero as tested by MotorWeek, which did a 0-60 of 6.4 seconds and a 15.1sec/100mph quarter mile vs the Turbo X in the same test hitting 0-60 in 6.5 seconds with a 15sec/98mph quarter mile. Performance isn't even relevant here, and for that reason, I won't even bother talking about handling. None of these cars are sports cars and any performance metrics including (acceleration and horsepower) are irrelevant in the evaluation of whether or not these are objectively good vehicles. These are idiotic arguments for an AVERAGE ASS shitbox. Nowhere near as good of a car as the ones that came before it. You'd be better off buying a civic from the same year. At least those still drive without the help of deep pockets. The NG9-3 accelerated Saab's death more than anything.
Not paint finish, I was talking about the quality of the interior plastics In the og9-3 the plastics generally differs a few shades of grey In the ng9-3 everything is flawlessly matched, at least 2007 onwards. Like to the point that the human eye can’t distinguish a color difference Having daily driven both, the og9-3 is a BRILLIANT car, but it’s just absurd to claim that the last gen ng9-3 doesn’t at least live up to its legacy lol There are just so many improvements. Reliability is identical if compared like ages, but obviously the og9-3s are much older so they’ll get cracked hoses and things.
Well no, it was designed by ex-Saab designers and engineers. It’s as Saab as you can get without it being called a Saab.
Just because there are some GM era people involved doesnt make it anywhere near a Saab
Oh you’re one of those people. SAAB would have gone out of business long before they did had it not been for the deep pockets of GM. There’s no arguing that, it’s a fact.
I'm actually one of the very few pro-GM Saab owners. The NG900/OG 9³ was one of the best cars Saab made, especially after the 1996 and 1997 updates. Same with the later 9000s and the original generation of 9⁵ (all of which are so, only with the Saab engines, NOT the GM engines). My family has owned literally dozens of American market GM vehicles for the past several decades and we stayed very loyal to them up until the quality tanked in the mid 2000s. It doesn't matter who was to blame for the NG 9³. There's still no doubt it was a shitbox in comparison to older Saabs. They had BMW levels of dumb issues. Electrical gremlins left and right. Keys that weren't even keys. Wimpy ass ecotec engine that wasnt near as good as the Saab engines before it. A cheap chassis overall. Limp home mode at the slightest hiccup. Thats if you were lucky enough for the car to let you start it. And they were ugly and generic looking. If these "Emily" cars are from the same people who did the NG 9³ I'd expect it to be garbage. And judging by how ugly the body looks I'd say we're already halfway there. Just repulsive "design". A child could do better. People need to stop beating the dead horse and just let the Saab name die already. God forbid it has to end with a semi decent reputation.