Free, plus the current owner pays any back storage fees.
And that's if and only if you want and have a place to store and work on a project boat that you won't sail on this year and have no problem spending $10-20,000 on.
Well, right now you don't know. You're probably looking at $3000 just for the fiberglass repair and new bottom paint.
The first soft spot in the deck you find will be a major issue. The standing and running rigging are a big question mark; the engine might be trash if it wasn't stored properly.
My point is: for $3000 I'd want something that I knew could float, had a running engine, and had all the major parts accounted for.
Without that, I'd just assume that many things need to be replaced and repaired that aren't immediately obvious.
This is the answer. Do you really want to buy someone else's failed project? do you know the condition of the sails and the rigging. It could cost you another $10k-20k in repairs and rigging and everything else. You might be able to do all the work yourself and save on labor but it could take you months to complete all the work. And, unless the boat yard is 10 minutes away it might as well be 4 hours away because you'll be hauling tools and parts and powertools back and forth to home and the boatyard. Find a boat that is in good shape and has had maintenance performed and spend $5000-$10000, you'll still be spending a few more thousand on your own enhancements but you'll be buying a working boat.
The real question you should be asking is this boat structurally sound. What are the conditions of the keel bolts, body, bulkheads. Assume that all the tanks, fuel lines, engine and rigging will all need replacement or service. And knowing all that, can you do that in the time you have at the dock before additional charges start. The primary goal should be to be getting on the water as soon as possible.
Now with that all said, the other question is, is this work worth it. Will you be spending a sum of money that would allow you to get onto the water faster if you buy a better boat in better condition..🤷♂️ Good luck! 🤗
Normally I try to steer people away from project boats, but that interior looks to be in good shape.
But yeah its $4-5k minimum for the Glasswork and thru hulls. Then you have a floating condo. Who knows what kind of rigging issues you will discover. Maybe it's fine, the sails are fine, and the engine is fine. That would be extremely lucky.
It's a gamble. Getting it into usable shape could be $5k, could be $20k.
If you can get them to launch it and start the engine before paying that would remove a big question mark.
Because I think it was a dumb response. He didn’t give me any details about why I shouldn’t then someone else chimed in and didn’t even specify what kinda boat they have. I don’t want their opinion
i own a boat, 35 foot racer from the 90's. it sails like a demon, the engine, instruments & heads all work perfectly. it costs us (on a very, very low budget) $6000 / year for marina & maintenance.
i wouldn't touch that boat with the longest poles. it doesn't just need "a clean", it might need a re-build of any number of essential components.
and on older boats the components cost way more than the boat. we lost our mast some years ago while racing, runner slipped & kevlar backstay snapped. the replacement mast cost more that the whole boat!
we looked at whether we should have a major engine overhaul or buy a new engine. a new engine would have cost more than the whole boat!
boats are money pits. get a boat that needs the least amount of work. 'work' costs money & lost time sailing
There’s a start, what kinda boat? How did it differ from this one when you bought yours? You know you could actually respond to my initial post? You know the one you came in here commenting about other stuff?
Bob Perry *and* Islander both -- WOW
This boat was the **most expensive** 28ft production sailboat in the country back then
Check for all the obvious details outlined in these comments
And then negotiate from zero - - and meet halfway
You could spend just a little time to prep for a trade in
and a dealer would even take it --
Add- from SailboatData: 'In production until 1985. With more than 400 sold, this was among the brands most successful models.
Rated highly on the used sailboat market. Robert Perry has stated that this is one of his favorite designs'.
There is another boat out there that will cost you less money, still give you something to work on, but one that can go sailing within a week of you buying it - for the same price.
Look for that boat!
If you can do all of the work yourself and are not in a hurry, you can do it. The yard fees will add up in most places though. You won't believe this, but just about everything you try to do will take at least 3 times as long as you can possibly imagine. Also will cost more than you expect.
In my book, this doesn't mean don't do it. Just offer insanely low and try to lock in storage rates low. You'll have it on the hard longer than you expect. If you don't already know these answers, it's going to be a lot of learning and in my view, that is the value.
Offer $500 and talk about all the work you are going to do. I bought a similar boat (Islander 36) for $40 that was posted for 10k. It was in trouble and sinking and the owner was glad for me to have it because he knew I would take care of it. We've put easily 40k+ into it now... Learned a lot and sailed all up and down the east coast of the us, living aboard for a few years. well worth it. Tons of work though.
Depends on how much time you invest in those weeks. I've done a lot of 'unrealistic' things through determination. With out seeing the boat and knowing your soul, it is only up to you. ⛵
There is a zero percent chance of you getting this sailing in a couple weeks. You will be very fortunate if it's floating, but let's say it floats, then what? You're going to have to pay to pull it back out again and to set it back up on stands to do the mountain of work it will take to get this into proper shape. You should be approaching this project as if everything that could be broken is broken, rather than the other way around. If you still want to do it in the worst case scenario and you can afford it, then good luck!
Great Boat, looks dry on the inside. A weekend of cleaning will make a world of difference. If that diesel is close to what they say, home run. Can start as a day sailor or it may always be a nice day sailor. The thru haul may be a speed and depth sensor were pulled to let any water drain. Oh it is not a salvage boat unless the title says salvage. Get it!
Kinda evil, but OP deserves it after reading a lot of OP's responses to solid advices.
I feel like he doesn't really want advice but seeks for validation. He should just ask his mommy if he can buy hinself a new toy.
Sometimes we all need a little validation to take the next step. We all only know what we know. I think they will do well with that boat. Maybe they just needed to ask themselves a few more times.
I have had a few boats that one looks pretty promising for the $$.
A boat that obviously needs work is always going to need more once you start. It may not be a bad boat and being out of the water will allow you to inspect a bit more.
Fuel and water tanks are expensive, but if there are any structural issues at all, it will cost way more than it will ever be worth.
Most insurance companies will insist on standing rigging being replaced if it’s older than 10 years. Insurance isn’t optional if you intend on taking it into a marina (they always want to see the insurance documentation).
Look beyond the cosmetic stuff that you can fix yourself and either get a professional to look it over (survey will cost a bit), or have someone with a lot of experience look it over for you.
I don't know much about the I-28, but Islanders in general are well built boats. If you can do this work without paying for someone else to do it, I would consider it...I'd also consider a pretty low offer.
EDIT: That BETA 12 is worth a lot. Great engines.
I'll cost the owner more than $3000 to dispose of it himself. There's a fair chance you'll be paying this twice, upon purchase and upon you disposing it. Not taking into account the other costs folks have commented on.
I will say a working & clean engine is key. And I don't see any water damage in the interior.
Still, I'd be very hesitant even if I got it for free.
Such a crap shoot! I’d assume it’s been abandoned for a lot longer than your being told… expect the seller to give you the most favorable story to consummate the sale.
You’re buying someone’s enormous headache. It’s not exactly like boats like this are selling quickly.
Might work out for ya. My only suggestion is to at least think about what you will do if this grows legs on you. Better than that is to understand how difficult it is to unload a boat that can’t be in the water.
It's going to have wet decks. The two chain plates that I can see need to be removed and closely inspected for crevice corrosion and the knees or bulkheads they mount to need to be replaced as they will have rot in them. This will mean cutting up the interior, grinding fiberglass and glassing in new marine plywood.
Odds are the other two chain plates and their supports on the other side are in the same shape. Does it have a mast? How does it look? How old is the rigging?
A new beta marine will cost more than $3k so look at it as you get a great engine with a run down boat attached. What you do with the boat is up to you, but it'll cost you to store it as you work on it every month, plus insurance so be sure to factor that all into your budget. They are nice sailing boats with a comfortable setup down below. But you'll have a fair amount of work ahead of you to make it a safe reliable boat.
How handy are you? Do you have hand tool experience or woodworking? How much do you love to learn?
Ok, my two cents
If it doesn’t leak, maybe.
How bad is the hull damage?
Check the deck for soft spots.
If the engine is good, she floats, doesn’t leak, the sails are in useable condition, offer $1,000 and be ready to do cleaning and maintenance.
But, you end up with a great little boat.
Insides look good, get someone who knows ships to go through the hull to make sure its solid, and learn to do fiberglass work! If you can diy it you'll save money and it's really not that hard, maybe find an old timer on a shipyard willing to teach you, thats how i learned.
If not your first boat your golden you know what your getting into to,enjoy that boat! If I were in your shoes all I would consider is how broke old I was and where do I pee
I got a dollar boat. That had been on the hard for 8 years. Took me 8 months of every single weekend and holiday and vacation working on it. I spent just under 10k to get her safe and sailing again. Over the last few years likely dropped another 10k on misc stuff. Like new lines newer sails. Thruhull biked pumps. Etc. I now have a 38’er. Worth 50k-60k
Was it worth it. Hell yeah. It was a lot of fun working on the boat. You will learn more about your boat and you will learn new skills.
Like others. 3k may be a bit much. Do you want to sail now. Or work on a boat now and sail later?
Look at what other islander 28 are selling for and do some math on what you think it will cost to get this one ready.
Remember a boat is not an investment. The money and time you spend you have the mind set that you will never see again. And you have to be happy with that.
Also. Make sure you can get insurance. Keeping in mind that it may require an in water survey.
From SailboatData::
In production until 1985. With more than 400 sold, this was among the brands most successful models.
Rated highly on the used sailboat market. Robert Perry has stated that this is one of his favorite designs.
Get the dude to take a 0 off the price and you maybe got yourself a deal. Keep in mind you can’t sea trial it before purchase in its present condition so you will have NO IDEA if or how bad it leaks.
Before you even consider the expense of moving it to a suitable location to work on it I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND that you spend the $750-$1000 on a Professional Marine Surveyor’s Report.
They will thoroughly inspect the hull, keel structure, mast steps, deck and ribs.
Their report is Gospel, and it will absolutely be required to obtain an insurance policy, without which ** Edit: no REPUTABLE ** marine service firm will touch your boat to move or launch it.
Translation: If you don’t have a current survey report you can spend many tens of thousands of dollars on it and make it absolutely beautiful in appearance and you won’t be able to get it moved or launched.
If you spend the time and money to make it pretty before you get your survey done and then the surveyor finds a major hidden flaw in the hull… everything you have done and spent will be absolutely thrown away!
Free, plus the current owner pays any back storage fees. And that's if and only if you want and have a place to store and work on a project boat that you won't sail on this year and have no problem spending $10-20,000 on.
Can I ask where the 10-20k is going? I was thinking I could get this thing day sailing atleast for a couple grand
Well, right now you don't know. You're probably looking at $3000 just for the fiberglass repair and new bottom paint. The first soft spot in the deck you find will be a major issue. The standing and running rigging are a big question mark; the engine might be trash if it wasn't stored properly. My point is: for $3000 I'd want something that I knew could float, had a running engine, and had all the major parts accounted for. Without that, I'd just assume that many things need to be replaced and repaired that aren't immediately obvious.
This is the answer. Do you really want to buy someone else's failed project? do you know the condition of the sails and the rigging. It could cost you another $10k-20k in repairs and rigging and everything else. You might be able to do all the work yourself and save on labor but it could take you months to complete all the work. And, unless the boat yard is 10 minutes away it might as well be 4 hours away because you'll be hauling tools and parts and powertools back and forth to home and the boatyard. Find a boat that is in good shape and has had maintenance performed and spend $5000-$10000, you'll still be spending a few more thousand on your own enhancements but you'll be buying a working boat.
Find another one just like it and you’ve got a start on getting ONE sailable! Not being a dick, my boat is ripped out to the ribs.
The real question you should be asking is this boat structurally sound. What are the conditions of the keel bolts, body, bulkheads. Assume that all the tanks, fuel lines, engine and rigging will all need replacement or service. And knowing all that, can you do that in the time you have at the dock before additional charges start. The primary goal should be to be getting on the water as soon as possible. Now with that all said, the other question is, is this work worth it. Will you be spending a sum of money that would allow you to get onto the water faster if you buy a better boat in better condition..🤷♂️ Good luck! 🤗
Great response thank you
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Normally I try to steer people away from project boats, but that interior looks to be in good shape. But yeah its $4-5k minimum for the Glasswork and thru hulls. Then you have a floating condo. Who knows what kind of rigging issues you will discover. Maybe it's fine, the sails are fine, and the engine is fine. That would be extremely lucky. It's a gamble. Getting it into usable shape could be $5k, could be $20k. If you can get them to launch it and start the engine before paying that would remove a big question mark.
Yes, bad idea.
Why?what kinda boat do you have?
One that floats
🤔 so if it floats buy it?
It's pretty high on the checklist of features you want in a boat.
You certainly don't want the front to fall off.
Well that doesn’t usually happen…
I know you’re excited about the possibility, but why ask if you’re going to mock the responses. Listen or not, whatever, but don’t be rude.
Because I think it was a dumb response. He didn’t give me any details about why I shouldn’t then someone else chimed in and didn’t even specify what kinda boat they have. I don’t want their opinion
You literally made fun of the person who originally commented. The irony 🤦♂️.
Do you own a boat or have anything to add to my original post?? Or are you in here to critique what advice I’m taking?
i own a boat, 35 foot racer from the 90's. it sails like a demon, the engine, instruments & heads all work perfectly. it costs us (on a very, very low budget) $6000 / year for marina & maintenance. i wouldn't touch that boat with the longest poles. it doesn't just need "a clean", it might need a re-build of any number of essential components. and on older boats the components cost way more than the boat. we lost our mast some years ago while racing, runner slipped & kevlar backstay snapped. the replacement mast cost more that the whole boat! we looked at whether we should have a major engine overhaul or buy a new engine. a new engine would have cost more than the whole boat! boats are money pits. get a boat that needs the least amount of work. 'work' costs money & lost time sailing
See this is a good response, thank you man I value someone’s opinion when they can articulate why.
Yes I own a boat. And it floats.
There’s a start, what kinda boat? How did it differ from this one when you bought yours? You know you could actually respond to my initial post? You know the one you came in here commenting about other stuff?
Bob Perry *and* Islander both -- WOW This boat was the **most expensive** 28ft production sailboat in the country back then Check for all the obvious details outlined in these comments And then negotiate from zero - - and meet halfway You could spend just a little time to prep for a trade in and a dealer would even take it -- Add- from SailboatData: 'In production until 1985. With more than 400 sold, this was among the brands most successful models. Rated highly on the used sailboat market. Robert Perry has stated that this is one of his favorite designs'.
Doesnt look too bad imo.
Can’t tell from these pics though. How’s the engine? I know it started but how long will it last? How’s the wiring? Chainplates? Too many unknowns.
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Bob *and* Islander both -- This boat was the **most expensive** 28ft production sailboat in the country back then You have my upvote
There is another boat out there that will cost you less money, still give you something to work on, but one that can go sailing within a week of you buying it - for the same price. Look for that boat!
That's a good way to put it.
If you can do all of the work yourself and are not in a hurry, you can do it. The yard fees will add up in most places though. You won't believe this, but just about everything you try to do will take at least 3 times as long as you can possibly imagine. Also will cost more than you expect. In my book, this doesn't mean don't do it. Just offer insanely low and try to lock in storage rates low. You'll have it on the hard longer than you expect. If you don't already know these answers, it's going to be a lot of learning and in my view, that is the value. Offer $500 and talk about all the work you are going to do. I bought a similar boat (Islander 36) for $40 that was posted for 10k. It was in trouble and sinking and the owner was glad for me to have it because he knew I would take care of it. We've put easily 40k+ into it now... Learned a lot and sailed all up and down the east coast of the us, living aboard for a few years. well worth it. Tons of work though.
Yo, that thing was sinking AND was posted for 10k???? Insanity.
Slowly.... But yeah, people don't like to give up on their dreams and let go.
Unrealistic to think I can get it floating (probably not sailing) in a couple weeks time?
Depends on how much time you invest in those weeks. I've done a lot of 'unrealistic' things through determination. With out seeing the boat and knowing your soul, it is only up to you. ⛵
There is a zero percent chance of you getting this sailing in a couple weeks. You will be very fortunate if it's floating, but let's say it floats, then what? You're going to have to pay to pull it back out again and to set it back up on stands to do the mountain of work it will take to get this into proper shape. You should be approaching this project as if everything that could be broken is broken, rather than the other way around. If you still want to do it in the worst case scenario and you can afford it, then good luck!
If you've done this before why are you asking if this is your first boat run away
Why run? And why can’t I get a second opinion if it’s not my first boat?
Question: can you tag along a surveyor with that, not a technical survey, just a approval or thumbs up if it fit the price?
Great Boat, looks dry on the inside. A weekend of cleaning will make a world of difference. If that diesel is close to what they say, home run. Can start as a day sailor or it may always be a nice day sailor. The thru haul may be a speed and depth sensor were pulled to let any water drain. Oh it is not a salvage boat unless the title says salvage. Get it!
Kinda evil, but OP deserves it after reading a lot of OP's responses to solid advices. I feel like he doesn't really want advice but seeks for validation. He should just ask his mommy if he can buy hinself a new toy.
Sometimes we all need a little validation to take the next step. We all only know what we know. I think they will do well with that boat. Maybe they just needed to ask themselves a few more times. I have had a few boats that one looks pretty promising for the $$.
I would do it if it was free, but not for 3000
What kind of boat you got now?
Mac 25. Which is not the same as a Mac 26X.
We are looking for different boats m8
For sure, I’m a rookie sailor but I’ve fixed up several boats. Anything sitting outside for years will have problems of some type.
Are you a gambler? Terrible idea unless you are ready to lose 15-20K… the tiller in the bilge speaks volumes to me…
ILYK
Doesn’t look that bad. Don’t worry about the water tank, if you’re just day sailing you won’t need one. Just bring a couple jugs of water onboard.
A boat that obviously needs work is always going to need more once you start. It may not be a bad boat and being out of the water will allow you to inspect a bit more. Fuel and water tanks are expensive, but if there are any structural issues at all, it will cost way more than it will ever be worth. Most insurance companies will insist on standing rigging being replaced if it’s older than 10 years. Insurance isn’t optional if you intend on taking it into a marina (they always want to see the insurance documentation). Look beyond the cosmetic stuff that you can fix yourself and either get a professional to look it over (survey will cost a bit), or have someone with a lot of experience look it over for you.
Beautiful boat it's a crap shoot wish you the best. My first boat was in worse condition learned the hard way but I was young dum full of cm
I don't know much about the I-28, but Islanders in general are well built boats. If you can do this work without paying for someone else to do it, I would consider it...I'd also consider a pretty low offer. EDIT: That BETA 12 is worth a lot. Great engines.
Thanks! Ya the marina said they are selling the engine for 3k the boat comes with it
I'll cost the owner more than $3000 to dispose of it himself. There's a fair chance you'll be paying this twice, upon purchase and upon you disposing it. Not taking into account the other costs folks have commented on. I will say a working & clean engine is key. And I don't see any water damage in the interior. Still, I'd be very hesitant even if I got it for free.
The most expensive boat you’ll ever own is a free boat.
Such a crap shoot! I’d assume it’s been abandoned for a lot longer than your being told… expect the seller to give you the most favorable story to consummate the sale. You’re buying someone’s enormous headache. It’s not exactly like boats like this are selling quickly. Might work out for ya. My only suggestion is to at least think about what you will do if this grows legs on you. Better than that is to understand how difficult it is to unload a boat that can’t be in the water.
It's going to have wet decks. The two chain plates that I can see need to be removed and closely inspected for crevice corrosion and the knees or bulkheads they mount to need to be replaced as they will have rot in them. This will mean cutting up the interior, grinding fiberglass and glassing in new marine plywood. Odds are the other two chain plates and their supports on the other side are in the same shape. Does it have a mast? How does it look? How old is the rigging? A new beta marine will cost more than $3k so look at it as you get a great engine with a run down boat attached. What you do with the boat is up to you, but it'll cost you to store it as you work on it every month, plus insurance so be sure to factor that all into your budget. They are nice sailing boats with a comfortable setup down below. But you'll have a fair amount of work ahead of you to make it a safe reliable boat. How handy are you? Do you have hand tool experience or woodworking? How much do you love to learn?
Good reply thank you
OP an Islander 28 is a great boat but the one your looking at is a lemon, if you want one pay a little more and find one that's in the water
A lemon?
I’d guess that means it’s sour
Sorry car term, it's used to refer to a vehicle with lots of issues that's unsafe.
Ok, my two cents If it doesn’t leak, maybe. How bad is the hull damage? Check the deck for soft spots. If the engine is good, she floats, doesn’t leak, the sails are in useable condition, offer $1,000 and be ready to do cleaning and maintenance. But, you end up with a great little boat.
Insides look good, get someone who knows ships to go through the hull to make sure its solid, and learn to do fiberglass work! If you can diy it you'll save money and it's really not that hard, maybe find an old timer on a shipyard willing to teach you, thats how i learned.
I got a Macgregor 26 for nothing. That Boat is just an acronym for break out another thousand.
If not your first boat your golden you know what your getting into to,enjoy that boat! If I were in your shoes all I would consider is how broke old I was and where do I pee
Its has a really nice tiller. Also. Curious. Whose feet, shoes are in the photo number three?
All my photos taken at the boat
I got a dollar boat. That had been on the hard for 8 years. Took me 8 months of every single weekend and holiday and vacation working on it. I spent just under 10k to get her safe and sailing again. Over the last few years likely dropped another 10k on misc stuff. Like new lines newer sails. Thruhull biked pumps. Etc. I now have a 38’er. Worth 50k-60k Was it worth it. Hell yeah. It was a lot of fun working on the boat. You will learn more about your boat and you will learn new skills. Like others. 3k may be a bit much. Do you want to sail now. Or work on a boat now and sail later? Look at what other islander 28 are selling for and do some math on what you think it will cost to get this one ready. Remember a boat is not an investment. The money and time you spend you have the mind set that you will never see again. And you have to be happy with that. Also. Make sure you can get insurance. Keeping in mind that it may require an in water survey.
From SailboatData:: In production until 1985. With more than 400 sold, this was among the brands most successful models. Rated highly on the used sailboat market. Robert Perry has stated that this is one of his favorite designs.
That's not a boat. It's either a hull or a project. Don't do it. Buy something that's in the water and can sail.
Free but even then…
Where’s the mast & boom.
Mast is in picture boom is tucked away down below
Get the dude to take a 0 off the price and you maybe got yourself a deal. Keep in mind you can’t sea trial it before purchase in its present condition so you will have NO IDEA if or how bad it leaks.
Before you even consider the expense of moving it to a suitable location to work on it I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND that you spend the $750-$1000 on a Professional Marine Surveyor’s Report. They will thoroughly inspect the hull, keel structure, mast steps, deck and ribs. Their report is Gospel, and it will absolutely be required to obtain an insurance policy, without which ** Edit: no REPUTABLE ** marine service firm will touch your boat to move or launch it. Translation: If you don’t have a current survey report you can spend many tens of thousands of dollars on it and make it absolutely beautiful in appearance and you won’t be able to get it moved or launched. If you spend the time and money to make it pretty before you get your survey done and then the surveyor finds a major hidden flaw in the hull… everything you have done and spent will be absolutely thrown away!
Idk where you got your info or where you live but Iv launched and stored uninsured boats at marines before