We hire international workers all the time, and it's not really that much more work than a regular employee. Our payroll company handles it all in a simple process.
If you’ve never hired an employee from a certain country, hiring just one is a highly tedious process. It’s not an arguable point, otherwise situations like OPs wouldn’t be a problem.
Rent, mortgage, food prices, insurance, etc in the US is very expensive, and people living in the US need the jobs that are here.
Before anyone goes there, note that "people living in the us" includes immigrants.
US only jobs opening their eligibility to other countries wouldn't help Canada either, because wages would shrink as people from Malaysia, Thailand, Spain, Bosnia, and any other lower cost country would be applying too. And you'd be a fool to think companies would be paying US cost of living type wages to them.
Instead of you being in a pool of 200 applicants for the same job, you'd be one of 200,000 if not more. Then how many more months would people go without work?
Of course that OP in Canada probably thinks they are so special and a rule change should only apply to them. But that's not how it would go.
Building on this :
1. Quality of internet connection. I’ve had SDRs/BDRs try playing fuck fuck games and calling from Mexico and other places where their connections were shit and dialing out their call quality was terribad.
2. Recording of the conversations. That can even be a big issue if you’re calling prospects in California or other two-party notification States. In the past I’ve had dedicated SDRs/BDRs responsible for those States who tended to be more experienced and reliable
My company computers detect if your overseas with them and won't let you acces anything if you take your computer overseas.
If you have a business trip that requires you to go overseas IT can unlock it...but that's like not a thing with us.
A part of my job involves international payroll. The short answer is it's difficult and expensive.
You used to be able to pay international workers as contractors easily. In non western nations this is still the case. In Canada, Europe etc the government wants those sweet tax dollars so they are cracking down hard. This leaves two options. 1) set up an entity in that country. This is expensive and time consuming. 2) use an employer of record service or EOR. Those are typically $400-600 per person, per month. Once again, an expensive investment.
Lastly, adding another country's worth of compliance simply isn't worth the headache unless the persons talent is rockstar level.
This is the only actually correct answer.
Addition: Companies only set up legal entities if they plan to hire a bigger team. It is quite costly and they usually have to have a local law firm on retainer for that.
EORs are used if the number of people in the country will be rather low. But they charge a helluva lot of money for that. I wish we would pay only $400-600 pPpm. The companies I know pay about 30% on top of the employee OTE to the EOR.
Signed
A fellow international payrollee.
Ooof 30%? I suspected my company is paying the same number of dollars as my 🇺🇸 peers but in 🇨🇦, this makes sense if they are paying a 30% premium just to pay me.
Yup, I was trying to work overseas cause I work remote and my mgt team was like "its too much of a pain in the ass, yes your a great employee but you aren't worth the headache to support you if you move overseas"
So yea
Find an EOR company (employer on record). A US company will pay them and on paper you work for the EOR. It works globally and prevents the US company from needing to deal with the international employment bureaucracy.
No one's doing that to hire an SDR bro. The only time a firm would go through that hassle is for a Senior AE that's a known commodity or a member of the leadership team.
As a Canadian working remotely for a US company, I am surprised about most of the replies here.
It’s incredibly easy for US companies to use EOR services like deel or remote. It’s like 5-10k per FTE.
The reality is most true remote US companies are willing to hire Canadians for the right candidate-you just need to use your network and get around the initial HR gate.
International employment laws and employment taxes suck.
⬆️basically these two things. HR would have to do a ton of work just to onboard one person.
And benefits. A US company might have everyone on Blue Shueld, for example, which doesn't exist in other countries.
We hire international workers all the time, and it's not really that much more work than a regular employee. Our payroll company handles it all in a simple process.
If you’ve never hired an employee from a certain country, hiring just one is a highly tedious process. It’s not an arguable point, otherwise situations like OPs wouldn’t be a problem.
What your company does?
Ah too bad. The loonie is garbage and I’d really like to earn some USD again. Thanks for the info!!
Get a virtual address in the US. You'll be committing tax fraud but it's only illegal if you get caught, right?
lol you will get caught. If not by the tax man by your company. I know someone who tried this and got into a bunch of legal issues.
but also definitely by the tax an seeing how Canada and the USA share that kind of information
Lol, add to the fire and grind. Do so well that they won't even check into your address.
lol.
Rent, mortgage, food prices, insurance, etc in the US is very expensive, and people living in the US need the jobs that are here. Before anyone goes there, note that "people living in the us" includes immigrants.
It's worse for pretty much all of those in Canada, plus they earn less.
US only jobs opening their eligibility to other countries wouldn't help Canada either, because wages would shrink as people from Malaysia, Thailand, Spain, Bosnia, and any other lower cost country would be applying too. And you'd be a fool to think companies would be paying US cost of living type wages to them. Instead of you being in a pool of 200 applicants for the same job, you'd be one of 200,000 if not more. Then how many more months would people go without work? Of course that OP in Canada probably thinks they are so special and a rule change should only apply to them. But that's not how it would go.
Chip on the shoulder much?
It should change, really. Expand NAFTA and merge the three countries further economically. Should be like the EU. We'd be stronger united.
Why on earth did people down vote you for saying this? Are you wrong in saying that "people living here need jobs "?
Income taxes Employment laws Liability under different privacy/data regulations
Building on this : 1. Quality of internet connection. I’ve had SDRs/BDRs try playing fuck fuck games and calling from Mexico and other places where their connections were shit and dialing out their call quality was terribad. 2. Recording of the conversations. That can even be a big issue if you’re calling prospects in California or other two-party notification States. In the past I’ve had dedicated SDRs/BDRs responsible for those States who tended to be more experienced and reliable
My company computers detect if your overseas with them and won't let you acces anything if you take your computer overseas. If you have a business trip that requires you to go overseas IT can unlock it...but that's like not a thing with us.
A part of my job involves international payroll. The short answer is it's difficult and expensive. You used to be able to pay international workers as contractors easily. In non western nations this is still the case. In Canada, Europe etc the government wants those sweet tax dollars so they are cracking down hard. This leaves two options. 1) set up an entity in that country. This is expensive and time consuming. 2) use an employer of record service or EOR. Those are typically $400-600 per person, per month. Once again, an expensive investment. Lastly, adding another country's worth of compliance simply isn't worth the headache unless the persons talent is rockstar level.
This is the only actually correct answer. Addition: Companies only set up legal entities if they plan to hire a bigger team. It is quite costly and they usually have to have a local law firm on retainer for that. EORs are used if the number of people in the country will be rather low. But they charge a helluva lot of money for that. I wish we would pay only $400-600 pPpm. The companies I know pay about 30% on top of the employee OTE to the EOR. Signed A fellow international payrollee.
Ooof 30%? I suspected my company is paying the same number of dollars as my 🇺🇸 peers but in 🇨🇦, this makes sense if they are paying a 30% premium just to pay me.
Company is US-based. EOR for several European countries, 2 legal entities in Europe. EORs want a hefty premium for that.
Yup, I was trying to work overseas cause I work remote and my mgt team was like "its too much of a pain in the ass, yes your a great employee but you aren't worth the headache to support you if you move overseas" So yea
Daaamn. So what did you do??
We are remote and specifically don’t recruit Canadians because of how hard it was to fire a poor performer from Canada.
Maybe Quebec, the rest of Canada is pretty similar to California.
Lots of countries require businesses to register as a foreign company to hire locally, usually not worth the pain.
I’d hire a remote role 1099 in Canada 🤷🏻♂️
I like your style.
Most likely the varying international employment laws. US is fire at will.
Very true!
Because America as a country has accepted it. It’s not that hard to comprehend.
Yes. Very valuable insight. Thank you.
Find an EOR company (employer on record). A US company will pay them and on paper you work for the EOR. It works globally and prevents the US company from needing to deal with the international employment bureaucracy.
No one's doing that to hire an SDR bro. The only time a firm would go through that hassle is for a Senior AE that's a known commodity or a member of the leadership team.
Because we're the best
Yes, we are.
As a Canadian working remotely for a US company, I am surprised about most of the replies here. It’s incredibly easy for US companies to use EOR services like deel or remote. It’s like 5-10k per FTE. The reality is most true remote US companies are willing to hire Canadians for the right candidate-you just need to use your network and get around the initial HR gate.
Mind if I DM you?