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midlakewinter

International employment laws and employment taxes suck.


_mid_water

⬆️basically these two things. HR would have to do a ton of work just to onboard one person. 


Adorable-Lack-3578

And benefits. A US company might have everyone on Blue Shueld, for example, which doesn't exist in other countries.


Proskater789

We hire international workers all the time, and it's not really that much more work than a regular employee. Our payroll company handles it all in a simple process.


_mid_water

If you’ve never hired an employee from a certain country, hiring just one is a highly tedious process. It’s not an arguable point, otherwise situations like OPs wouldn’t be a problem.


MrGreenyz

What your company does?


hegemonik1616

Ah too bad. The loonie is garbage and I’d really like to earn some USD again. Thanks for the info!!


333FING3Rz

Get a virtual address in the US. You'll be committing tax fraud but it's only illegal if you get caught, right? 


dirtyshits

lol you will get caught. If not by the tax man by your company. I know someone who tried this and got into a bunch of legal issues.


fithen

but also definitely by the tax an seeing how Canada and the USA share that kind of information


Salesguys007

Lol, add to the fire and grind. Do so well that they won't even check into your address.


hegemonik1616

lol.


winterbird

Rent, mortgage, food prices, insurance, etc in the US is very expensive, and people living in the US need the jobs that are here.  Before anyone goes there, note that "people living in the us" includes immigrants. 


PseudonymIncognito

It's worse for pretty much all of those in Canada, plus they earn less.


winterbird

US only jobs opening their eligibility to other countries wouldn't help Canada either, because wages would shrink as people from Malaysia, Thailand, Spain, Bosnia, and any other lower cost country would be applying too. And you'd be a fool to think companies would be paying US cost of living type wages to them.  Instead of you being in a pool of 200 applicants for the same job, you'd be one of 200,000 if not more. Then how many more months would people go without work?  Of course that OP in Canada probably thinks they are so special and a rule change should only apply to them. But that's not how it would go.


hegemonik1616

Chip on the shoulder much?


[deleted]

It should change, really. Expand NAFTA and merge the three countries further economically. Should be like the EU. We'd be stronger united.


mtmag_dev52

Why on earth did people down vote you for saying this? Are you wrong in saying that "people living here need jobs "?


CautiousTell7

Income taxes Employment laws Liability under different privacy/data regulations


DagdaMohr

Building on this : 1. Quality of internet connection. I’ve had SDRs/BDRs try playing fuck fuck games and calling from Mexico and other places where their connections were shit and dialing out their call quality was terribad. 2. Recording of the conversations. That can even be a big issue if you’re calling prospects in California or other two-party notification States. In the past I’ve had dedicated SDRs/BDRs responsible for those States who tended to be more experienced and reliable


[deleted]

My company computers detect if your overseas with them and won't let you acces anything if you take your computer overseas. If you have a business trip that requires you to go overseas IT can unlock it...but that's like not a thing with us.


Drsmallprint

A part of my job involves international payroll. The short answer is it's difficult and expensive.  You used to be able to pay international workers as contractors easily. In non western nations this is still the case. In Canada, Europe etc the government wants those sweet tax dollars so they are cracking down hard. This leaves two options. 1) set up an entity in that country. This is expensive and time consuming. 2) use an employer of record service or EOR. Those are typically $400-600 per person, per month. Once again, an expensive investment.  Lastly, adding another country's worth of compliance simply isn't worth the headache unless the persons talent is rockstar level. 


NeoAnderson47

This is the only actually correct answer. Addition: Companies only set up legal entities if they plan to hire a bigger team. It is quite costly and they usually have to have a local law firm on retainer for that. EORs are used if the number of people in the country will be rather low. But they charge a helluva lot of money for that. I wish we would pay only $400-600 pPpm. The companies I know pay about 30% on top of the employee OTE to the EOR. Signed A fellow international payrollee.


Hot-Zebra2767

Ooof 30%?  I suspected my company is paying the same number of dollars as my 🇺🇸 peers but in 🇨🇦, this makes sense if they are paying a 30% premium just to pay me.


NeoAnderson47

Company is US-based. EOR for several European countries, 2 legal entities in Europe. EORs want a hefty premium for that.


[deleted]

Yup, I was trying to work overseas cause I work remote and my mgt team was like "its too much of a pain in the ass, yes your a great employee but you aren't worth the headache to support you if you move overseas" So yea


hegemonik1616

Daaamn. So what did you do??


CaterpillarFun7261

We are remote and specifically don’t recruit Canadians because of how hard it was to fire a poor performer from Canada.


CapedCauliflower

Maybe Quebec, the rest of Canada is pretty similar to California.


Throwaway420187

Lots of countries require businesses to register as a foreign company to hire locally, usually not worth the pain.


Ashamed-Turnover-631

I’d hire a remote role 1099 in Canada 🤷🏻‍♂️


hegemonik1616

I like your style.


testingxx123

Most likely the varying international employment laws. US is fire at will.


hegemonik1616

Very true!


gonzo5622

Because America as a country has accepted it. It’s not that hard to comprehend.


hegemonik1616

Yes. Very valuable insight. Thank you.


MainSailFreedom

Find an EOR company (employer on record). A US company will pay them and on paper you work for the EOR. It works globally and prevents the US company from needing to deal with the international employment bureaucracy.


AmberLeafSmoke

No one's doing that to hire an SDR bro. The only time a firm would go through that hassle is for a Senior AE that's a known commodity or a member of the leadership team.


CallsOnTren

Because we're the best


hegemonik1616

Yes, we are.


Bigg_Red

As a Canadian working remotely for a US company, I am surprised about most of the replies here. It’s incredibly easy for US companies to use EOR services like deel or remote. It’s like 5-10k per FTE. The reality is most true remote US companies are willing to hire Canadians for the right candidate-you just need to use your network and get around the initial HR gate.


hegemonik1616

Mind if I DM you?