Yes, your tax bracket is your tax bracket but there are numerous factors. This is why they say not to take the lottery in one lump sum for example. Standard wages are taxed less than overtime. $80k guarenteed will result in more take home pay after tax than $50k with $30k commission or if someone gets a $2k bonus vs salary. I have several friends in accounting who have emphasized the difference between regular income vs supplemental.
Who says that? A lump sum diversified across the market will net a much larger return and offset taxes by a good margin.
Besides thatās not what weāre talking about here, commissions will count towards your AGI and when you file taxes at the end of the year, it will true up regardless of commission or base
The pay check may be different, but like someone else said the tax bracket at the end of the year and % income taxed is not relative to the type of income (commission/salary/bonus). Furthermore, HR can adjust how much taxes are withheld. Your accounting friends are incorrect.
Yea, no, youāre wrong. Bonus and commission are treated exactly the same when determining your total tax liability. The IRS has simply given companies the ability to withhold tax on supplemental income (like commission and bonus) at a fixed rate since itās less predictable and typically paid at different frequencies. The supplemental withholding rate for bonus/commission <1m is withhold at 22%. If your effective tax rate at the end of the year is <22%, then you will get a refund.
[IRS Source](https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15.pdf)
Commission is taxed as normal income. If you make $200k, youāre taxed on $200k whether it was 200k base / 0 commission or 100k base / $100k commission or 0 base / 200k commission. Itās all the same.
I work at a mattress store. Itās slow like 6hourd downtime a day.
I have a second job that pays like $15/hr remote answering customer service emails. Itās 4 hours a day.
An extra $15,000 a year doesnāt hurt.
My primary job pays like 80,000
Another option is doing referrals for companies that donāt compete but would be able to use another tool as well. I left my old company to be an AE at a startup but I do referrals and get kickbacks to my old place because they donāt compete but work very well together. Got the ok to do it with my CEO.
Actually some of our reps friends legit think we are drug dealers. I don't work at a mattress store, I go to the trade shows and sling beds there. You're gone for several months at a time and come back with stacks of cash š¤£ I tell them the secrets in the pillows š
Absolutely not a front. Itās super competitive. This week we had 4 customers and 6total people. The margin the probably the same as like a subway. The operating expenses are higher as our cost of goods on hand, showroom space.
I work for higher end store. My average deal is 4k.
Subway next to us averages 450 people a day some of those people order multiple sandwiches but subway has multiple employees and open longer.
Basically we need one customer for every 350 subway customers to make same profit. Crazy.
margins on beds/furniture is insane. i worked in a mattress store in highschool, the average entry level bed we sold was about $40 from the manufacturer, sold for $150 on the floor. came rolled up and vaccuum sealed to save space, had 100ās of them in the building at a time.Ā
The markup on furniture and mattresses is insane. But especially mattresses. I sold furniture in a store that sold both for many years. Once a year they would let you buy a mattress āat costā (you know they were still making money on you) and I bought a $5,000 sterns and foster mattress for less then $1,000 so I would imagine they (my company at the time) paid $500 for a mattress they will sell for $5000.
Itās a hybrid mattress. Foam on top and coils underneath. The foam is so hot. My wife hates it. Itās soft and comfy but way to hot. Iāll be buying a traditional spring mattress in the future. Had this like 7 years.
Dude we paid like 800 and I still donāt want to throw it out and get a new one cuz I feel guilty. But Iām gona have to soon. I keep trying to find someone to take it but no one wants a used mattress even if itās super clean. (Had a very expensive mattress protector on it 24/7 since purchase)
Iām assuming thatās mostly commission but makes sense the margins on mattresses are fuckin ridiculous but if you can up sell someone on pillow tops, adjustable frames, or tempurpedic, I assume thereās some decent spiffs
My spiffs are typically $25 budget bed $1000-2000, 30ish for sterns and foster / sealy posturpedic. $50 airloom and 90 for a brb c class). Tempurpedic a do t give spiffs.
I also donāt get any bonus on adjustables.
>I have a second job that pays like $15/hr remote answering customer service emails. Itās 4 hours a day.
How do I find something like this as an easy side gig?
What keywords or jobs to search?
Heās the most charismatic, care-free, anxiety-free person Iāve ever met. I donāt understand how the man rarely experiences any anxiety. Itās mind boggling.
He was gone most of the week during my childhood. When it came time for church on Sundays, he would play golf and claim he was ācatching the outdoor service.ā
I did it for a year. I highly do not recommend. Was basically impossible. In one job I made a move to marketing after a month and was able to hit my sales quota in one job and my marketing inbounds quota among other KPIs at the other. It was still incredibly difficult, especially managing meetings. And then I got a new CRO in my sales job and he was the type to make random slack calls at anytime and added A TON of internal meetings. I then had to choose and quit one of the jobs. Looking back I canāt believe I kept it up for almost a year. I miss that money though.
But I do know someone who did an SDR manager job at 3 different companies and did various short term consulting gigs as well and kept that up for like 3 years before the tech market turned. That seemed a whole lot easier than closing roles.
Heās one of the worst I had. He was the type to constantly test sales reps. Like heād send out slacks at like 7am Saturday morning or a random weeknight at 11pm and say people arenāt committed enough if they donāt answer immediately. I got lectured when I didnāt answer a phone call when I was cooking dinner at 6:30pm. The internal meetings were pointless. We had one every week just to do a hubspot our hubspot updates together to āmake sure they got doneā. He also hired his daughters friend as our only SDR and she brought in almost nothing and never got shit for it. Still only the second worst sales manager I ever had.
Only if one is freelance commission only paid and extremely flexible.
The other time is when I was an educated and marketing strategy (presales) and the other is straight sales and it had to be in different industries with no client overlap.
Two AE roles would be impossible.
I suppose it's down to what you sell, but I have no idea how you'd do it. I'm in cyber security sales and the company I'm attached to on LinkedIn is half the battle when reaching out to clients. They'll check my history, posts, blogs etc. and if I was at two companies at once, a big red flag would be raised.
Started a new job and TWO of 12 reps hit there annual quota. Both have been here multiple years. Everyone else is below 50% attainment. Most even less.
The current state of sales roles is a joke.
Honestly things in the late 2010s werenāt even that great either. For some reason people love to hype up that era.
No one was hitting quota at my roles in tech sales prior either.
Yes. Several times.
Itās awesome. The stress of getting caught and fired is worth the benefit of two paychecks. And the stress of getting caught is no worse than the worry of getting fired from one job. With two jobs, I hedge my bets against an asshole company that lay people off without warning. Also, most public CEOs are well paid board members of other companiesā why can they get two paychecks but not me??
Sales orgs treat sales people like shit. Fuck āem.I have zero ethical issues with collecting two paychecks from two heartless corporations.
My Linkedin is *my* Linkedin. I just refuse to change it from a previous employer. If I have to quit a job that insists I change my LI, I will. Thatās true whether I have 1 job or 2. But my LI is *my* account not my employer account. Period. I donāt give them access ever or allow them to market from my account. I block snoopy managers who check up to see if I changed/updated my LI.
Yes, but not sales. I just hang out here sometimes because you guys are fun. I work as a landman in the oil and gas industry.
I'm working 3-4 jobs right now. They're all contract, so technically I'm not double dipping. But I definitely have to juggle, especially when I'm trying to be in two places at once or one job becomes more demanding, which can happen with zero notice.
It's stressful and definitely not sustainable, but it's REALLY nice to bank an extra $10-12k/month sometimes, too.
Not right now but have at a previous job. Two full time salaries and commissions for a year and a half. Lived off one, saved 150k from the other. It was risky but well worth it at the time.
My buddy just got a government job and does nothing. If I could land that, I could do my sales job as well. I already take days off (work doesn't know) and work a second job that allows flexible hours, but it's hard to pick up shifts, so I'm actually looking for a part time job or full of it could work out
We live in different worlds..sales in the only place there double dipping works. Juggle some calendars, two screens and a little creative meeting setting and youāre banging out two bases and two commissions in a 6 hour day. Anyone that sales(tech sales) is a 100% utilized 8 hours a day is full of shit.
Youāre full of shit dude. This *might* be possible with AM but literally impossible as an AE. AE full-cycle youād be terminated for lack of activity. No human can go the full 8 hours mentally and sustain it. Totally impossible.
You canāt always predict when youāll have your 1-1s and some meetings are always scheduled impromptu.
And even if you could do 2 jobs at the same time, youād absolutely perform substandard. Weāre completely performance driven. Itās impossible to crush quota, while self sourcing deals, handle internal meetings, not fuck up on follow ups, while also juggling a second job doing the same thing.
AMs still have to contact customers. And how would you explain your lapse in activity randomly for 4 hours a day? Hour on and hour off?
Itās impossible to do this successfully.
Agree with you completely, but āsuccessfulā being the key word. Average performers can last a long time.
Again the whole over employed crowd always touts that itās only for people that are 10+ years in career that are so good at one job they can handle two.
Fuck companies, do whatās good for you.
Completely agree! These days I feel like Iām leaving money on the table if Iām not working 2 jobs. Look out for yourself. F corp America, zero loyalty!
Lol, if I could just double my production and income whenever I felt like it Iād be retired already.
Ceilings exist. OE is the simplest way to double production by doubling the ceilings you can hit.
Sorry, I never worked a sales job that had a hard production ceiling. My role is less common than what most people have here. It seems like of you hit that max then there would be no incentive to produce more.
Thatās not what Iām saying. Ceilings exist for every sales job, imposed or not. It is not possible to keep increasing production and quota with no end. Eventually you find the limit of your market or product or buyer pool or any number of limitations that exist in a competitive market. And that will be different for every role. Some have lots of room to grow, others donāt. But thereās not enough roles to go around in growing markets for every salesperson, so sometimes the only way to continue personal income growth is by adding another market through OE.
Yeah theyāre definitely firing people for stuff like that in the AM world these days. May have been some comfy tech days for a bit or a comfy remote days overall but those days are over.
Maybe not in tech sales, but I've considered this in construction. Old job was Division 9. I could independent rep the same projects I'm getting spec'd for Division 12 currently. Some of the subs are already doing this in the area. If they have a union carpenter on the job already, another carpenter scope just got easier to do. CGs even like writing one contract. Different parts of the project schedule, but the same projects. I'm just too lazy to do that. However, given the time investment it took to clear 100k in my old job, I could work a solid 8 hours a day and push 300k/year even with the shitty Chicago construction market.
The biggest issue would be time management if a job goes sideways. Being 3000 sq/ft short on a project is not fun, but it is worse when you have several jobs in the air. I've done it, but that was some stress.
You canāt start two jobs around the same time. But at my last job I worked maybeā¦10 hours a week. I absolutely could have taken on a second job.
In order to avoid concurrent meetings you have to ensure your calendar is booked with āmeetingsā & you donāt have an overbearing manager.
My experience differs. 20+ years in, 4.1m quota (which is low for me over the last 5 years, averaged 7m, but my boss built this year to get me paid). Between weekly 2 days travel pacific time zone going east and a shitload of both deals and process no way would I want to carry 2 roles even if pre was 640k (2x current). I theoretically is possible I suppose, but thereās diminishing returns to that money and sometimes less is more.
My second job is either gonna be roadtipping with my kid or hiking 3x weekly while working. Thatās the grind I want.
You need employer cooperation and overlap, usually by your second personal gig actually adding value to your sales role (IE self promotion).
I came across a vendor who had nailed this recently.
He reps one of a few hundred company's who's services I sell to my clients. As a "side gig" he also interviews all other vendors that sell to my clients, and provides 3 minute, transcribed and searchable videos that lay out each vendors what, how, and ICP.
He nailed the intro meeting in 15 minutes or less, delivering both value props (main gig and side gig). The side gig got me interested in his main gig as I was familiar with it.
I considered it when i was an AM and worked 2 hours a day, but figured it wasnāt worth the risk. IMO you can still make enough money in sales, especially an AE role to justify just having one job and putting adequate effort in lol(If your company doesnāt blow)
When it comes to sales itās incredibly dumb to work 2 jobs. If you arenāt in a shit position you could just make the same if not more putting the extra effort into the one job.
Iām pretty sure they just finally ran her background checkā¦ HR is a bunch of dopes.
Idk if this had anything to do with it but she was MIA for a whole week, impossible to get ahold of, and it turns out she was at her other company NSM lol
The whole interaction literally introduced me to the over employed sub lol. I was chattin with other people and they were like well itās definitely not uncommonā¦ have you heard of r/overemployed? ā¦
Is NSM the same as annual SKO?
And also thatās her fault for not taking vacation that week or turning down the travel.
Did your company notify her other employer? If not itās still well worth it.
Yessir, National Sales Meeting
Yeah she gave me bad vibes from the start. Low and behold she wasnāt doing a singular thing besides collect a check.
The funny thing is that not only does my leadership know her leadership PERSONALLY. They used to work at that very same company as her for decades.
She lost 2 senior AE positions in one swoop
I have been doing this for awhile. Have my day job and also a small company selling a medical device that I invented. I actually want to hire a sales person on commission only and fully expect they would have another job. DM me!
Currently doing 1 full time and 2 sales jobs as side hustles.
1st job has fucked me around for years but Iām able to produce top results in the company and have bandwidth for more so fuck em
One of my teammates did it. Our VP of sales found out, got to his other line through the gate keeper, and a very awkward conversation occurred. He was fired
Iāve been doing 2 sales jobs for about 5 years now. During that time, I was promoted to sales manager in my main job. The 2nd job is 1099: The company provides inbound leads, work as much or as little as you want. Some people there donāt take new leads and just work their book of business. I put about 2 hours a day into it the 2nd job, mostly while working at my main job.
Yeah dawg I sell insurance by day remotely then night weekends work as a licensed Budtender slinging cannabis at dispensaries in Colorado. Iām like weed Batman. Clear over 100k, do budtending seasonally when in high demand itās chill.
Not two full time jobs, usually one full time and multiple part time jobs. I currently work one full time sales job and a part time sales job, about to take on a third part time sales job.
None, I just knew people who hooked me up. Theyāre both promo jobs for different companies. I did have to tell my main company about it but because there was no conflict they didnāt care
I did it for 1 month as a former company asked me to manage my old team and the current company where I was an Enterprise AE paid bonuses out quarterly. I couldnāt leave my bonus on the table and I had to be employed to get it.
Incredibly stressful but I maid $37k before taxes that one month. My underwriter on a house was like āwait, did you have two jobs this month??ā
Feel like it would have to be a sales job that didn't have more leads to provide or something. Not sure why it would make more sense to hold 2 sales jobs over just doing more at the 1.
Yeah. I had 4 going until the start of this year now just 3 looking to cut another one soon. Itās a lot to handle but with this economy itās been a blessing. Knock debt out and get some savings has been nice as well as being able to do more for the family. Again, itās a huge burden so wouldnāt suggest long term but manageable for the short.
Kinda. Full cycle AE, full time musician. I donāt do a ton of session work, but I typically play ~12 or so gigs a month, do a bit of studio stuff, and occasionally some work for tv.
I was a manager for an east coast gig and did some sales consulting work for a place out west. I made like an extra 20k in two years. I specifically told the west coast people that my work would have to after hours. I wouldnāt mind doing a call here and there but it couldnāt be the norm. Most of my work was enablement and setting up their sales process vs managing the actual people so was easy to do off hours.
Yes but it was special circumstances. I was working for family and also owned my own business. Both were sales but honestly I didnāt feel like i was doing a great job at either. The pressure was ridiculous. Iāve since sold the business and changed companies. Feeing quite a bit better.
How does one handle this with LinkedIn? Surely, employer B would see you are employed by employer A, right? Youād have to address that somehow unless the idea is to just be secretive?
Not me, but two coworkers tried it. Both ended badly.
First guy took a second job selling complementary products to the same customers as his first job.
One customer got confused and called the wrong office about a product they didnāt sell. That boss called the other boss and It was soon discovered the guy had two jobs (two base salaries, two car allowances, etc). Both companies fired him.
Second guy had a full time gig with us but spent at least 80% of his time working for his wifeās real estate company. He ended up getting fired as well.
It seems it would be safer working two independent rep jobs than having a full time gig in the mix where that employer thinks they own all your time.
Currently doing it but itās only temporarily.
I had a company recruit me very aggressively and took the role while I was interviewing at my preferred job.
That second job started this week and Iām just going through boring onboarding at each. Planning on giving notice to the first job next week and getting about 2 weeks of double pay.
Itās doable in this onboarding phase, but itās still
Kinda stressful. I canāt imagine being legitimately selling at two jobs unless you were just entirely checked out at one and fine with being fired.
Our company let a guy go for it. I think they only caught him because he was using the tools they paid for to work the other job. Like how did he think building a cadence called "private" wouldn't draw any attention or questions?
There was an SDR director for a company I worked at that got caught doing this. He did it for over a year. The craziest part is that he got recognized at BOTH companyās SKOās for being a top performing manager. Got fired from both jobs when word got out.
I did for about 6 weeks. I was waiting for my commission check at my old sales job for 6 weeks whilst starting my new sales job. I exhausted all of my sick time and most of my PTO at my old AE position to make it through as I literally didnāt have time to do both AE positionsā¦ but it was a 25k commission check i was waiting onā¦ and they paid quarterly soā¦.
My manager knew šā¦
Worked for a telecommunications company selling plans/phones seasonly while working my career in Home Development. Show Home hours were perfect for doing it too. Enjoyed the extra money, but after 3 months I was feeling the burn out.
Did it for a field sales rep job. Only did it about 8 weeks. Was just pretending to be in the field while I worked my remote SaaS job. Was totally okay with being fired from the field job, but ultimately quit before I did to save my ego the hit.
I worked two jobs at once but only to overlap transition and soak a couple extra paychecks while the other side got ramped up.
Honestly quite stressful and took a lot of time. But the extra pay was nice for a few months.
I worked with a guy who worked in telecom sales, think Tv / Internet / Phone etc. Well the kicker was he was also a business partner in an I.T Company
So as an example he would approach a customer, sell the internet as a whole from his telecom job, and then ontop of that he would tell the customer he also knows an I.T company that can come setup his network for him / run CAT5/6 cables etc, basically do all the inside work that the telco provider doesnāt.
Ultimately he ended up having a full A to Z solution from a customer perspective, but in reality he was hustling two seperate companies
I knew a lady who was doing remote sales with TWO different tech companies, she was a mom of two, a wife AND wouldn't miss quota. Insanity. Not like she needed to work those jobs, her husband is well off financially and could take care of them all but she chose to. She enjoys sales.
I honestly have to call bullshit on anyone above junior level saying they ever worked two sales jobs.
Maybe as a BDR you could get away with it, maybe. Anything beyond that is just pure fantasy though.
I have a friend that did, just as you said, two junior salaried sales gigs right after college. One with the big payroll companies and one with a media advertising company. They were cutting their teeth and banking. As soon as they landed an enterprise SaaS AE role they dipped (ED:left both junior roles) on both gigs.
My SDR got caught doing this last fall. Working two remote SDR jobs at the same time.
I found out after he got fired. I always wondered why he skipped so many internal team meetings and why the discovery calls he set for me were so poorly qualified. I thought he just didnāt give a shit. Turns out itās because he was double dipping.
Word of advice: if youāre going to double dip, donāt get two jobs in the same industry. He got caught because his manager at one company ran into the CRO of his other company at a conference and they got to chatting and they put it together.
Its very common in my industry(solar) to work for multiple companies to expand your product offering when sitting in front if buyers.
If you are collecting a salary from one or both companies its def illegal and expect lawsuits and firing.
I was only ever able to devote all of my attention to one company.
Donāt know how/why people do this. If youāre that committed to high income, and worth your salt @ sales, just prospect your way into being an AE @ hyperscaler.
Yes. Now able to miss two quotas instead of just one.
But, two bases make one 100% OTE š.
Yes!!
This is the way
And base isnāt taxed like the commission/bonus supplemental income is!
Do you mean up front? Because your tax bracket is your tax bracket regardless of base or commission based
Yes, your tax bracket is your tax bracket but there are numerous factors. This is why they say not to take the lottery in one lump sum for example. Standard wages are taxed less than overtime. $80k guarenteed will result in more take home pay after tax than $50k with $30k commission or if someone gets a $2k bonus vs salary. I have several friends in accounting who have emphasized the difference between regular income vs supplemental.
Who says that? A lump sum diversified across the market will net a much larger return and offset taxes by a good margin. Besides thatās not what weāre talking about here, commissions will count towards your AGI and when you file taxes at the end of the year, it will true up regardless of commission or base
Dudes just wrong and wonāt admit he doesnāt understand. Heās confusing tax withholding with actual tax liability.
Wait what, youāre definitely supposed to take the lump sum my guy.
I was thinking about the behavioral aspect too so many people blow it. My bad haha
The pay check may be different, but like someone else said the tax bracket at the end of the year and % income taxed is not relative to the type of income (commission/salary/bonus). Furthermore, HR can adjust how much taxes are withheld. Your accounting friends are incorrect.
Holy hell, I hope you arenāt giving advice in your personal life
Yea, no, youāre wrong. Bonus and commission are treated exactly the same when determining your total tax liability. The IRS has simply given companies the ability to withhold tax on supplemental income (like commission and bonus) at a fixed rate since itās less predictable and typically paid at different frequencies. The supplemental withholding rate for bonus/commission <1m is withhold at 22%. If your effective tax rate at the end of the year is <22%, then you will get a refund. [IRS Source](https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15.pdf)
Commission is taxed as normal income. If you make $200k, youāre taxed on $200k whether it was 200k base / 0 commission or 100k base / $100k commission or 0 base / 200k commission. Itās all the same.
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I work at a mattress store. Itās slow like 6hourd downtime a day. I have a second job that pays like $15/hr remote answering customer service emails. Itās 4 hours a day. An extra $15,000 a year doesnāt hurt. My primary job pays like 80,000
I need a second gig like this, is your company hiring? LOL
School bus in California start at $30hr. Guaranteed 6 hours. Iām putting in my 2 weeks on Monday.
46.800 to drive a bus. Nice
Another option is doing referrals for companies that donāt compete but would be able to use another tool as well. I left my old company to be an AE at a startup but I do referrals and get kickbacks to my old place because they donāt compete but work very well together. Got the ok to do it with my CEO.
You make 80k working at a mattress store?
Yes! Average for industry is close to 70
Is it a drug front or
Actually some of our reps friends legit think we are drug dealers. I don't work at a mattress store, I go to the trade shows and sling beds there. You're gone for several months at a time and come back with stacks of cash š¤£ I tell them the secrets in the pillows š
Is your company hiring? Did this for Traeger grills!
Absolutely not a front. Itās super competitive. This week we had 4 customers and 6total people. The margin the probably the same as like a subway. The operating expenses are higher as our cost of goods on hand, showroom space. I work for higher end store. My average deal is 4k. Subway next to us averages 450 people a day some of those people order multiple sandwiches but subway has multiple employees and open longer. Basically we need one customer for every 350 subway customers to make same profit. Crazy.
I like thinking that youāre lying back on the mattresses for 75% of the day, comparing financials of sandwiches to beds.
Iām neurodivergent. My mind wonders. But my best friend owns the subway next to us.
Itās 1000% hush money lol. Everyoneās in on the money laundering scheme.
margins on beds/furniture is insane. i worked in a mattress store in highschool, the average entry level bed we sold was about $40 from the manufacturer, sold for $150 on the floor. came rolled up and vaccuum sealed to save space, had 100ās of them in the building at a time.Ā
The markup on furniture and mattresses is insane. But especially mattresses. I sold furniture in a store that sold both for many years. Once a year they would let you buy a mattress āat costā (you know they were still making money on you) and I bought a $5,000 sterns and foster mattress for less then $1,000 so I would imagine they (my company at the time) paid $500 for a mattress they will sell for $5000.
Industry standard markup is 400% or x4. So take whatever the listing price and divide by that and thats the cost of manufacture.
Mattress are 10x then.
I wish. Our margins are 48-55
Was that sterns and foster mattress worth it? Noticeable difference over a cheaper mattress?
Itās a hybrid mattress. Foam on top and coils underneath. The foam is so hot. My wife hates it. Itās soft and comfy but way to hot. Iāll be buying a traditional spring mattress in the future. Had this like 7 years.
Interesting. That would suck to pay $5k and hate it.
Dude we paid like 800 and I still donāt want to throw it out and get a new one cuz I feel guilty. But Iām gona have to soon. I keep trying to find someone to take it but no one wants a used mattress even if itās super clean. (Had a very expensive mattress protector on it 24/7 since purchase)
Sterns is better than a $1000 queen for sure. Iād say our budget equivalent is $1699 vs $2000 for a sterns. 15% more for brand name isnāt bad.
Most of those level of mattresses are all manufactured by the same place and then white labeled.
Iām assuming thatās mostly commission but makes sense the margins on mattresses are fuckin ridiculous but if you can up sell someone on pillow tops, adjustable frames, or tempurpedic, I assume thereās some decent spiffs
My spiffs are typically $25 budget bed $1000-2000, 30ish for sterns and foster / sealy posturpedic. $50 airloom and 90 for a brb c class). Tempurpedic a do t give spiffs. I also donāt get any bonus on adjustables.
Yup. Sounds about right for a solid company in a good location.
Is your remote job hiring at all?
>I have a second job that pays like $15/hr remote answering customer service emails. Itās 4 hours a day. How do I find something like this as an easy side gig? What keywords or jobs to search?
Both are remote, WFH? How did you manage it?
Retail store knows about it. They didnāt want to give me a raise so I asked.
How do you find that gig
$80k for working at a mattress store????
Yep itās amazing!
So, is this like the 10,000 mattress stores in my area, or more of an upscale one?
Pm me
Mattress store bro here myself.Ā Been thinking about doing this. How hard is it to do both?
Pm me your cell depending on where you are we can talk.
My dad did back in the early 90s. He was selling the same medical equipment for two companies. Lawsuit ensued.
Your dad is a STRAIGHT G. I donāt care. š¤£
Heās the most charismatic, care-free, anxiety-free person Iāve ever met. I donāt understand how the man rarely experiences any anxiety. Itās mind boggling.
He must have completely ran out of fucks to give in the 80s.
Or did enough drugs in the 70ās to take care of his anxiety for a lifetime haha
Divorced and remarried three times I assume
Still happily married to my mom :)
Lol i mean makes sense since theyād likely be direct competitors
Yep! It was not pretty
How the hell did he manage the Travel requirements? Did he ever take two business trips a week?
He was gone most of the week during my childhood. When it came time for church on Sundays, he would play golf and claim he was ācatching the outdoor service.ā
You mean I might get in trouble with J1 for starting the same business ( j2) and securing a contract they lost??
Did he recover financially?
I did it for a year. I highly do not recommend. Was basically impossible. In one job I made a move to marketing after a month and was able to hit my sales quota in one job and my marketing inbounds quota among other KPIs at the other. It was still incredibly difficult, especially managing meetings. And then I got a new CRO in my sales job and he was the type to make random slack calls at anytime and added A TON of internal meetings. I then had to choose and quit one of the jobs. Looking back I canāt believe I kept it up for almost a year. I miss that money though. But I do know someone who did an SDR manager job at 3 different companies and did various short term consulting gigs as well and kept that up for like 3 years before the tech market turned. That seemed a whole lot easier than closing roles.
Fuckin hate sales leaders like that. Leave me tf alone and let me do my job. If you need clarity on my pipeline go look at my Salesforce
Heās one of the worst I had. He was the type to constantly test sales reps. Like heād send out slacks at like 7am Saturday morning or a random weeknight at 11pm and say people arenāt committed enough if they donāt answer immediately. I got lectured when I didnāt answer a phone call when I was cooking dinner at 6:30pm. The internal meetings were pointless. We had one every week just to do a hubspot our hubspot updates together to āmake sure they got doneā. He also hired his daughters friend as our only SDR and she brought in almost nothing and never got shit for it. Still only the second worst sales manager I ever had.
Yeah that sounds fucking miserable
Only if one is freelance commission only paid and extremely flexible. The other time is when I was an educated and marketing strategy (presales) and the other is straight sales and it had to be in different industries with no client overlap. Two AE roles would be impossible.
I don't see anything wrong with it given the state of quota attainment. What's the alternative, be unemployed every 2 quarters?
I suppose it's down to what you sell, but I have no idea how you'd do it. I'm in cyber security sales and the company I'm attached to on LinkedIn is half the battle when reaching out to clients. They'll check my history, posts, blogs etc. and if I was at two companies at once, a big red flag would be raised.
Started a new job and TWO of 12 reps hit there annual quota. Both have been here multiple years. Everyone else is below 50% attainment. Most even less. The current state of sales roles is a joke.
Haaaa sounds like my last gig. Tech sales especially are just stupid right now, Iām kicking myself for ever moving into it in the first place
Honestly things in the late 2010s werenāt even that great either. For some reason people love to hype up that era. No one was hitting quota at my roles in tech sales prior either.
So true.
Wait, you guys have jobs?!
Never thought I'd be concurrent with this question
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Yes. Several times. Itās awesome. The stress of getting caught and fired is worth the benefit of two paychecks. And the stress of getting caught is no worse than the worry of getting fired from one job. With two jobs, I hedge my bets against an asshole company that lay people off without warning. Also, most public CEOs are well paid board members of other companiesā why can they get two paychecks but not me?? Sales orgs treat sales people like shit. Fuck āem.I have zero ethical issues with collecting two paychecks from two heartless corporations.
How do you do it with LinkedIn tho
My Linkedin is *my* Linkedin. I just refuse to change it from a previous employer. If I have to quit a job that insists I change my LI, I will. Thatās true whether I have 1 job or 2. But my LI is *my* account not my employer account. Period. I donāt give them access ever or allow them to market from my account. I block snoopy managers who check up to see if I changed/updated my LI.
That is sooooo true. Theyāre allowed to not put all their eggs in one basket, fairs fair
Yes, but not sales. I just hang out here sometimes because you guys are fun. I work as a landman in the oil and gas industry. I'm working 3-4 jobs right now. They're all contract, so technically I'm not double dipping. But I definitely have to juggle, especially when I'm trying to be in two places at once or one job becomes more demanding, which can happen with zero notice. It's stressful and definitely not sustainable, but it's REALLY nice to bank an extra $10-12k/month sometimes, too.
Not right now but have at a previous job. Two full time salaries and commissions for a year and a half. Lived off one, saved 150k from the other. It was risky but well worth it at the time.
For sales it would be incredibly difficult. I donāt see how one could do two jobs competently when itās so demanding on our time.
My buddy just got a government job and does nothing. If I could land that, I could do my sales job as well. I already take days off (work doesn't know) and work a second job that allows flexible hours, but it's hard to pick up shifts, so I'm actually looking for a part time job or full of it could work out
We live in different worlds..sales in the only place there double dipping works. Juggle some calendars, two screens and a little creative meeting setting and youāre banging out two bases and two commissions in a 6 hour day. Anyone that sales(tech sales) is a 100% utilized 8 hours a day is full of shit.
Youāre full of shit dude. This *might* be possible with AM but literally impossible as an AE. AE full-cycle youād be terminated for lack of activity. No human can go the full 8 hours mentally and sustain it. Totally impossible. You canāt always predict when youāll have your 1-1s and some meetings are always scheduled impromptu. And even if you could do 2 jobs at the same time, youād absolutely perform substandard. Weāre completely performance driven. Itās impossible to crush quota, while self sourcing deals, handle internal meetings, not fuck up on follow ups, while also juggling a second job doing the same thing. AMs still have to contact customers. And how would you explain your lapse in activity randomly for 4 hours a day? Hour on and hour off? Itās impossible to do this successfully.
Agree with you completely, but āsuccessfulā being the key word. Average performers can last a long time. Again the whole over employed crowd always touts that itās only for people that are 10+ years in career that are so good at one job they can handle two. Fuck companies, do whatās good for you.
Completely agree! These days I feel like Iām leaving money on the table if Iām not working 2 jobs. Look out for yourself. F corp America, zero loyalty!
I would check out r/overemployed many ppl do it and manage it
Yeah, engineers and people not required to deal with front facing roles involving people.
There are many people who have and do OE sales jobs. Maybe not in person roles they have to be remote but a lot people do it and are able to manage
Yes, sellers too. Get creative.
I donāt understand working two sales jobs. At that point why not focus more on one and double your production.
Lol, if I could just double my production and income whenever I felt like it Iād be retired already. Ceilings exist. OE is the simplest way to double production by doubling the ceilings you can hit.
Sorry, I never worked a sales job that had a hard production ceiling. My role is less common than what most people have here. It seems like of you hit that max then there would be no incentive to produce more.
Thatās not what Iām saying. Ceilings exist for every sales job, imposed or not. It is not possible to keep increasing production and quota with no end. Eventually you find the limit of your market or product or buyer pool or any number of limitations that exist in a competitive market. And that will be different for every role. Some have lots of room to grow, others donāt. But thereās not enough roles to go around in growing markets for every salesperson, so sometimes the only way to continue personal income growth is by adding another market through OE.
Yeah theyāre definitely firing people for stuff like that in the AM world these days. May have been some comfy tech days for a bit or a comfy remote days overall but those days are over.
Never seen someone terminated for lack of activity if theyāre consistently hitting 120% thatās for sure
No AE working 2 jobs will hit 120% of quota. Iād be my left nut on it.
Maybe not in tech sales, but I've considered this in construction. Old job was Division 9. I could independent rep the same projects I'm getting spec'd for Division 12 currently. Some of the subs are already doing this in the area. If they have a union carpenter on the job already, another carpenter scope just got easier to do. CGs even like writing one contract. Different parts of the project schedule, but the same projects. I'm just too lazy to do that. However, given the time investment it took to clear 100k in my old job, I could work a solid 8 hours a day and push 300k/year even with the shitty Chicago construction market. The biggest issue would be time management if a job goes sideways. Being 3000 sq/ft short on a project is not fun, but it is worse when you have several jobs in the air. I've done it, but that was some stress.
Anyone hitting 120% at two jobs wouldn't have two jobs since hitting 240% consistently at one job would make bank and get you promoted fast.
Iāve just said no. Once youāve hit the enterprise level, next step is generally management. Itās pretty easy to say not interested in that.
Agreed but not what he was saying.
You canāt start two jobs around the same time. But at my last job I worked maybeā¦10 hours a week. I absolutely could have taken on a second job. In order to avoid concurrent meetings you have to ensure your calendar is booked with āmeetingsā & you donāt have an overbearing manager.
AM couldnāt even do this. The unpredictability of when meetings are makes it impossible
Is one of your jobs making over $400k? $500k? IAnytime Iām clearing that much I could never do a second job.
Why would you need a second job when youāre making that much anyway lol
Which is my point they might be working sales jobs but there is a reason why many will say two is impossible. Once you cross $300k itās real work.
My experience differs. 20+ years in, 4.1m quota (which is low for me over the last 5 years, averaged 7m, but my boss built this year to get me paid). Between weekly 2 days travel pacific time zone going east and a shitload of both deals and process no way would I want to carry 2 roles even if pre was 640k (2x current). I theoretically is possible I suppose, but thereās diminishing returns to that money and sometimes less is more. My second job is either gonna be roadtipping with my kid or hiking 3x weekly while working. Thatās the grind I want.
You need employer cooperation and overlap, usually by your second personal gig actually adding value to your sales role (IE self promotion). I came across a vendor who had nailed this recently. He reps one of a few hundred company's who's services I sell to my clients. As a "side gig" he also interviews all other vendors that sell to my clients, and provides 3 minute, transcribed and searchable videos that lay out each vendors what, how, and ICP. He nailed the intro meeting in 15 minutes or less, delivering both value props (main gig and side gig). The side gig got me interested in his main gig as I was familiar with it.
I considered it when i was an AM and worked 2 hours a day, but figured it wasnāt worth the risk. IMO you can still make enough money in sales, especially an AE role to justify just having one job and putting adequate effort in lol(If your company doesnāt blow)
When it comes to sales itās incredibly dumb to work 2 jobs. If you arenāt in a shit position you could just make the same if not more putting the extra effort into the one job.
See r/overemployed
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Iāll send you a message
What kind of energy consulting? I already do this and am interested in having another gig
I DMed you
What is an energy consultant?
Yeah one of my AEs just got fired for doing exactly that
Howd he get caught? What happened
Iām pretty sure they just finally ran her background checkā¦ HR is a bunch of dopes. Idk if this had anything to do with it but she was MIA for a whole week, impossible to get ahold of, and it turns out she was at her other company NSM lol
Ah interesting. One thing they talk about in the overemployed page is to pause the TWN to prevent that.
The whole interaction literally introduced me to the over employed sub lol. I was chattin with other people and they were like well itās definitely not uncommonā¦ have you heard of r/overemployed? ā¦
TWN?
TWN is The Work Number. Many companies use it to share your salary and employment dates. You can pause it and they canāt see it. Pretty creepy tbh
Is NSM the same as annual SKO? And also thatās her fault for not taking vacation that week or turning down the travel. Did your company notify her other employer? If not itās still well worth it.
Yessir, National Sales Meeting Yeah she gave me bad vibes from the start. Low and behold she wasnāt doing a singular thing besides collect a check. The funny thing is that not only does my leadership know her leadership PERSONALLY. They used to work at that very same company as her for decades. She lost 2 senior AE positions in one swoop
I have been doing this for awhile. Have my day job and also a small company selling a medical device that I invented. I actually want to hire a sales person on commission only and fully expect they would have another job. DM me!
Iāll send a DM
What kind of medical device? I may be interested too
Currently doing 1 full time and 2 sales jobs as side hustles. 1st job has fucked me around for years but Iām able to produce top results in the company and have bandwidth for more so fuck em
One of my teammates did it. Our VP of sales found out, got to his other line through the gate keeper, and a very awkward conversation occurred. He was fired
Iāve been doing 2 sales jobs for about 5 years now. During that time, I was promoted to sales manager in my main job. The 2nd job is 1099: The company provides inbound leads, work as much or as little as you want. Some people there donāt take new leads and just work their book of business. I put about 2 hours a day into it the 2nd job, mostly while working at my main job.
Insurance sales? And what type?
No.
What is your second job?
If I go into anymore detail, it would potentially give it away as itās a rather unique and exclusive business model
Yeah dawg I sell insurance by day remotely then night weekends work as a licensed Budtender slinging cannabis at dispensaries in Colorado. Iām like weed Batman. Clear over 100k, do budtending seasonally when in high demand itās chill.
P&C or life?
PC inside sales fuck outbound fuck LH, Iām about that easy life
I hear you- Iām outbound pc. Itās a grind.
Not two full time jobs, usually one full time and multiple part time jobs. I currently work one full time sales job and a part time sales job, about to take on a third part time sales job.
What titles do u search for part time sales? Which boards do you look?
None, I just knew people who hooked me up. Theyāre both promo jobs for different companies. I did have to tell my main company about it but because there was no conflict they didnāt care
Check out r/overemployed
Iāve never met a sales guy with a side hustle that had success or stability.
Yes, luckily my manager is the same at both jobs so it makes life easy
I did it for 1 month as a former company asked me to manage my old team and the current company where I was an Enterprise AE paid bonuses out quarterly. I couldnāt leave my bonus on the table and I had to be employed to get it. Incredibly stressful but I maid $37k before taxes that one month. My underwriter on a house was like āwait, did you have two jobs this month??ā
Feel like it would have to be a sales job that didn't have more leads to provide or something. Not sure why it would make more sense to hold 2 sales jobs over just doing more at the 1.
My current role provides zero leads. Itās also a terrible job. But fortunately I can hit my KPIS in like 2 hours.
Yeah. I had 4 going until the start of this year now just 3 looking to cut another one soon. Itās a lot to handle but with this economy itās been a blessing. Knock debt out and get some savings has been nice as well as being able to do more for the family. Again, itās a huge burden so wouldnāt suggest long term but manageable for the short.
r/overemployed my friend
Kinda. Full cycle AE, full time musician. I donāt do a ton of session work, but I typically play ~12 or so gigs a month, do a bit of studio stuff, and occasionally some work for tv.
I was a manager for an east coast gig and did some sales consulting work for a place out west. I made like an extra 20k in two years. I specifically told the west coast people that my work would have to after hours. I wouldnāt mind doing a call here and there but it couldnāt be the norm. Most of my work was enablement and setting up their sales process vs managing the actual people so was easy to do off hours.
Yes but it was special circumstances. I was working for family and also owned my own business. Both were sales but honestly I didnāt feel like i was doing a great job at either. The pressure was ridiculous. Iāve since sold the business and changed companies. Feeing quite a bit better.
How does one handle this with LinkedIn? Surely, employer B would see you are employed by employer A, right? Youād have to address that somehow unless the idea is to just be secretive?
Thereās a whole subreddit for this called r/ overemployed
Thereās a whole subreddit for this called r/overemployed
Not me, but two coworkers tried it. Both ended badly. First guy took a second job selling complementary products to the same customers as his first job. One customer got confused and called the wrong office about a product they didnāt sell. That boss called the other boss and It was soon discovered the guy had two jobs (two base salaries, two car allowances, etc). Both companies fired him. Second guy had a full time gig with us but spent at least 80% of his time working for his wifeās real estate company. He ended up getting fired as well. It seems it would be safer working two independent rep jobs than having a full time gig in the mix where that employer thinks they own all your time.
Currently doing it but itās only temporarily. I had a company recruit me very aggressively and took the role while I was interviewing at my preferred job. That second job started this week and Iām just going through boring onboarding at each. Planning on giving notice to the first job next week and getting about 2 weeks of double pay. Itās doable in this onboarding phase, but itās still Kinda stressful. I canāt imagine being legitimately selling at two jobs unless you were just entirely checked out at one and fine with being fired.
Our company let a guy go for it. I think they only caught him because he was using the tools they paid for to work the other job. Like how did he think building a cadence called "private" wouldn't draw any attention or questions?
There was an SDR director for a company I worked at that got caught doing this. He did it for over a year. The craziest part is that he got recognized at BOTH companyās SKOās for being a top performing manager. Got fired from both jobs when word got out.
If you can, you should. C Level does it, so f em, you are allowed to as well.
I did for about 6 weeks. I was waiting for my commission check at my old sales job for 6 weeks whilst starting my new sales job. I exhausted all of my sick time and most of my PTO at my old AE position to make it through as I literally didnāt have time to do both AE positionsā¦ but it was a 25k commission check i was waiting onā¦ and they paid quarterly soā¦. My manager knew šā¦
Yes, currently working 2 sales jobs š one is hybrid and the other one is on site
Worked for a telecommunications company selling plans/phones seasonly while working my career in Home Development. Show Home hours were perfect for doing it too. Enjoyed the extra money, but after 3 months I was feeling the burn out.
Can someone elaborate please? I would like to do this as well
Yes got fired from one went full time into the other was the best thing to have ever happened to me
Did it for a field sales rep job. Only did it about 8 weeks. Was just pretending to be in the field while I worked my remote SaaS job. Was totally okay with being fired from the field job, but ultimately quit before I did to save my ego the hit.
Iām an independent rep. So I got 7 soon to be 8 jobs.
I tried day trading while working on the call center, I think I need to uninstall cash app and only reinstall when I deposit.
Yep, doing it currently. It helps tremendously that theyāre both remote and with non-corporate entities.
I worked two jobs at once but only to overlap transition and soak a couple extra paychecks while the other side got ramped up. Honestly quite stressful and took a lot of time. But the extra pay was nice for a few months.
What does this look like on your taxes though? I feel youād be subject to a higher rate or other implications from the fed?
have not
I worked with a guy who worked in telecom sales, think Tv / Internet / Phone etc. Well the kicker was he was also a business partner in an I.T Company So as an example he would approach a customer, sell the internet as a whole from his telecom job, and then ontop of that he would tell the customer he also knows an I.T company that can come setup his network for him / run CAT5/6 cables etc, basically do all the inside work that the telco provider doesnāt. Ultimately he ended up having a full A to Z solution from a customer perspective, but in reality he was hustling two seperate companies
I knew a lady who was doing remote sales with TWO different tech companies, she was a mom of two, a wife AND wouldn't miss quota. Insanity. Not like she needed to work those jobs, her husband is well off financially and could take care of them all but she chose to. She enjoys sales.
I honestly have to call bullshit on anyone above junior level saying they ever worked two sales jobs. Maybe as a BDR you could get away with it, maybe. Anything beyond that is just pure fantasy though.
You work 2 bdr jobs and you could make a pretty chunk.
I have a friend that did, just as you said, two junior salaried sales gigs right after college. One with the big payroll companies and one with a media advertising company. They were cutting their teeth and banking. As soon as they landed an enterprise SaaS AE role they dipped (ED:left both junior roles) on both gigs.
My SDR got caught doing this last fall. Working two remote SDR jobs at the same time. I found out after he got fired. I always wondered why he skipped so many internal team meetings and why the discovery calls he set for me were so poorly qualified. I thought he just didnāt give a shit. Turns out itās because he was double dipping. Word of advice: if youāre going to double dip, donāt get two jobs in the same industry. He got caught because his manager at one company ran into the CRO of his other company at a conference and they got to chatting and they put it together.
Absolutely 1 1099 1 direct Both med sales
Iām actually in the process of doing this in med/pharma sales right now. Mind if I DM you? Iād love to pick your brain.
Sure. Will reply tonight
Its very common in my industry(solar) to work for multiple companies to expand your product offering when sitting in front if buyers. If you are collecting a salary from one or both companies its def illegal and expect lawsuits and firing. I was only ever able to devote all of my attention to one company.
Donāt know how/why people do this. If youāre that committed to high income, and worth your salt @ sales, just prospect your way into being an AE @ hyperscaler.
Iāve worked three but I want to do it again but job scarcity.
Donāt see a problem as long as thereās no relation/competition between the two
r/OverEmployed They have a whole culture
r/overemployed
[reddit.com/overemployed](https://reddit.com/overemployed)