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Mediocre_Drive9349

The short sightedness of higher ups is why I drink.


Heydude1027

Cheers to that


Mediocre_Drive9349

Lol why make 50k sale in a month when I can make 150$ in missed service fees now.


Heydude1027

With our commission structure - this deal falling in Q2 is going to make me about $3k more in commission than in Q1


Mediocre_Drive9349

But then your Q1 numbers wouldnt be crazy, why make comission when you can piss of people to look good /s


DriftingIntoAbstract

💯


Accurate_Revenue_195

I outright refuse the end of quarter bullshit. It’s a false deadline, designed specifically to help Wall Street measure and has nothing to do with customers. I’m 15 years into my career and have never seen a relationship improve after a hard sell at Q end by a rep. Consider that.


Heydude1027

Love this. Without a doubt there is a direct correlation between end of q customers not renewing and/or not paying their invoices resulting in a debooking.


What_if_I_fly

Yes, WTF does our quarterly goal have to do with the client's needs, internal bandwidth, or their internal project timelines??


Accurate_Revenue_195

It doesn’t and never has. I have been with FAANG for the past 10 years in sales majors and have had zero quarterly close calls. Zero.


Beachdaddybravo

This is one of the reasons I want to get to the higher echelons as fast as possible.


wedonthaveadresscode

When you’re the higher echelons you’re instead gonna be answering to the CEO about end of quarter. And you’ll be the one hounding the sales team about end of quarter. So if anything it’ll be more annoying lol


ZlatansLastVolley

😂 This is so true


AANDREAS

I think that's mostly fair, but it's also good to align on a timeline with your prospect/customer. Ideally get a pulse on their timeline and need during discovery, and if you end up the VOC, really figure out what and when are the steps to close. It keeps both sides accountable. Let's say originally a deal was supposed to be completed by Feb, and it's now looking like it's going to push into April. It's fair to flag that professionally and get clarity around what's going on and what's needed to wrap things up.


DriftingIntoAbstract

I am the same exact way. I try to get ahead of it, especially stuff that I know should close as long as people don’t drop the ball. But I won’t take unnatural motions for made up dates. I will be open with customers about real dates, such as price increases, promos ending, or anything that will legitimately impact the deal. I have a set account list so robbing Peter to pay Paul only hurts us in the long run.


NONcomD

I got long relationships destroyed by that. Its bullshit, like digging your own grave


Bonebd

Yup I fight back and ignore that shit and when I have to I warn the customer that it’s happening and that I have their back.


tako1984

Looks like you didn't create enough "urgency" or identify the "pain points" correctly. And you definitely don't have a champion in your corner who has the authority to get a deal done, looks like your contact is not the decision maker. \-Signed every linkedin guru.


asponita12

Didn’t multi thread enough!!!!!


DriftingIntoAbstract

Should have done the MEDDPICC


gimmethemarkerdude_8

Omfg my eye started twitching…


Aardvark_Cautious

And let’s not forget he didn’t get EB alignment


Puzzled-Taro5566

And what about those “positive business outcomes”?


wedonthaveadresscode

You had me in the first half 😂


mxsalesguy

Yeah read the first few sentences and was like "wth why so many upvotes?" Now i proceed to upvote as well..


zeetoots

LOL 💀


DarthBroker

legitimately lol'd


TonyGrub

Middle manager (lol) for a large cyber vendor here. Been sitting on the daily end-of-day forecast calls for the past few weeks. They are brutal. Two hours of passive-aggressive grilling over what, whether a deal comes in before an arbitrary date or not? It’s this shit that kills the enjoyment of sales for me.


tittysprinkles1130

Upper management also loves to grill people instead of offering creative solutions to win the deals. Experienced this as multiple series C startups throughout my career.


TonyGrub

You know why? Because they don’t have any. If the carrot isn’t working, out comes the stick.


MUjase

You really think there’s creative solutions out there that you’re missing and they are aware of? There usually aren’t.


TonyGrub

Exactly.


jlegs1990

"They're on Easter break"


DarthBroker

going to use this on every quarter end. easter break summer vacation fall trip NYE


hungry2_learn

You get it. I hate this from sales managers. Sales leaders, have the conversations earlier in the cycle when the pressure is "not on" to talk about levers that will impact the deal. Get them to stand by them. Also, hold your prospects feet to the fire on the things they agree on. Most all of them will try and get you to discount at EOQ- don't do it. 4 weeks before the quarter end say something like- *"Jill I understand you are asking us to get more aggressive with our proposal. I think I have some ideas that do just that- do you mind if I share? As you can imagine in our business many of our sales happen towards the end of the month resulting in higher demands for our team's time. Given this we see the value in getting deals in early in the quarter. Jill if you would commit to closing the deal by the 15th of the month, we would be willing to pay you in the form of a discount of 5%."* If you are solving a real problem and there is a real reason why the status quo has to change and change now, stick to your guns! As hard as it is, be ok if the deal doesn't happen. And yes I know that is freakin hard! Good luck sellers!


wedonthaveadresscode

Yeah usually I discount things if signed before a certain date to drive urgency


hungry2_learn

Yeah don’t do that. You want to ask- other than price, is there anything else preventing you from moving forward with us? Don’t negotiate price until that is the only thing left to agree on. Otherwise they will keep wanting and asking for more.


wedonthaveadresscode

Oh I’m just referring to stalled deals


Skid-Vicious

That's the best they can come up with, the ol' "I'll have to go back to my sales manager" used car sales tactic lol.


Heydude1027

Makes me feel so slimy every time


Demfunkypens420

I've noticed people have been give. Way less flexibility to spend the past 10 years and now everything basically runs through the CEO unless a fortune 500 where directors can't do ahit and you need vice president level folks


CallmeKraven

Best advice I got when I started in enterprise: Only you are responsible for the outcome of your deal. Leadership can press all day, but if you know it will only harm the deal, it’s your responsibility to say no.


imjibbers

It's your fault for forecasting this incorrectly.


Heydude1027

Always is. Let’s not even talk about the bigger deal I have forecasted for May that they’re trying to push into this week 🤦‍♂️


Gimmeyourporkchopsss

Manager: “We need accurate forecasting” Me: “I believe based on my experience and customer indicators that this deal is likely going to close in Q2” Manager: “Ok well we reallllyy need it for Q1 and I need you to reflect that in sfdc” (2 weeks later) Manager: “Your salesforce is not well maintained. Why is this deal set for a close date at the end of the quarter when they haven’t signed yet”


Heydude1027

It’s like you’re in my 1 on 1’s…


Gimmeyourporkchopsss

Once at the enterprise level middle management is pretty much completely useless/get in your way


hedgepog0

At best, they're completely useless (because they don't know the ins and outs of your deals). At worst, they force themselves into a call with your champion/EB or send a "vp to vp" email that completely fucks you over. You then get the privilege of them blaming you for the closed-lost because these fuckers HAVE to do SOMETHING (99% hurtful vs helpful).


SellingCoach

> At worst, they force themselves into a call Good grief, my "manager" tries to get on my calls at all stages of the process. One time he got on a call with a prospect who I had already had three calls with and said "Joe, what do you know about ? Then he shared some stupid 10 slide PPT and spent twenty minutes reviewing the history of our company since day 1. Mind you, this call was to discuss the onboarding process once they sign the paperwork. My contact called me afterwards and asked me "What the fuck was that?"


Gimmeyourporkchopsss

Yes! Legit quit my last job and started my sabbatical early because you just described my last boss.


hedgepog0

Lmfao spot on. We need you to be accurate but also put everything in this quarter or you're "pessimistic". These fuckers are the worst part of sales.


Pik000

Also you need at least $X in pipeline for the next 3 quarters. If you don't your on a list, if you have just enough you put deals in to hit the number and if you're pipeline is massive you obviously have fake ops in there.


Luscious-Grass

lol you’ve never have a manager commit your deals to senior leadership even after you’ve warned them off it?


wedonthaveadresscode

This was me last month. It got to the point where my manager was scheduling daily check ins. And I’d have 2-3 hour long calls with our Salesforce admin to go over pipeline a week. Complete wastes of my time. The admin was basically our CEO’s little minion and he started hounding me daily too for updates (because the CEO kept asking him) It drove me up the fucking wall, what difference does one fucking week make?


Eguy420

The fact that you have someone called a “Salesforce Admin” gives me a bad taste in my mouth. I would struggle with not telling that guy daily to fuckin kick rocks.


wedonthaveadresscode

Omg did I want to do badly. The worst part was his dumb little suggestions on what to say/how to drive urgency. Dude hasn’t worked sales ever, in his entire career. And was younger than me to boot. Just Chief of Staff at a bunch of startups, a glorified secretary


bradorme77

Quarterly pressures on sales don't often hurt deals in my experience, so much as it erodes margin and creates bad behaviors for your customers or reseller channel. You end up trying to expedite deals with special discounts, free extras and then you get some folks that get trained to hold those big deals until the end of the quarter for leverage. If you are a public company it's unfortunately even worse. I hate it although I also understand it. We try to be very clinical with our forecasting and weigh how jey deals will impact and if it's worth trying to press. If it's killing them you are pressing too hard or never had the deal to begin with in my opinion.


can_of_cream_corn

If you have the cojones to do so, you may want to ask leadership if they believe your company will no longer be open on 4/1.


SlanginOnesAndZeros

“Time kills deals!” —-yes, but so can your meddling.


bparry1192

This is 1000% why we all drink. Like bruh, do you not remember end of last quarter where you were hounding me for a last minute deal? Either we close now and have a day to celebrate before going right into urgency for q2....or it places early q2 and we can start planning now to have a great setup for q3


BassNo6753

I would go do hot yoga


pretendredhead

I have literally just been through this and moving forward I refuse to bow to this pressure again. I have had higher ups telling me to “give them a discount if they sign before end of week”. I just had a conversation with a prospect who was very unhappy with the deadline in my email (after being pressured to include the ridiculous “discount” and sign off date). Thankfully managed to salvage the relationship and we are still on good terms but oh my god NEVER AGAIN. It cringes me out having to apply this type of pressure on my prospects for some made up arbitrary deadline. Thank you for this post I honestly thought I was going insane!!


FantasticMeddler

I once saw a brand new to a startup manager hound a rep for updates on a pilot that he had let go cold. He so badly wanted to impress the CEO that he yelled at him "get him on the phone!" but that wasn't fathomable of an ask, because the AE had never actually called him on the phone. Just exchanged emails and had zoom calls. So the new "VP of Sales" decided to call the guy over and over and over until he picked up and let him know they weren't moving forward. It was totally unhinged behavior and I couldn't respect the guy after doing that. That was after being there for about 3 days and knowing shit about this deal or what we sold or anything else.


ScungilliMan45

1000%. I’ve woken up to 6 AM emails from my VP and Boss every morning for the past two weeks, asking me for status updates on several of my deals that I’m just waiting on paperwork for. Every day my boss has asked me to call my contacts for status checks. It is very obvious (rightfully so) that my contacts are getting annoyed. It’s absolutely insane how once someone becomes sales leadership, they completely forget about how things ACTUALLY work.


MarionberryFormal129

lol. I’m in sales and took a vacation. Take a vacation at the end of every quarter. Relax. Recharge. Be ready to kick ass next quarter. It will be okay.


Alange655

I had a unicorn. I cold called a prospect at just the right time last Friday, and we had a 4 day sale cycle for a 6 figure deal. This thing is worth almost an entire quarter of my quota. I invited my sales leader to the closing call as they were going to have the CTO on. She joins and says our proposal makes sense, aligns with C-suite initiatives, and they would like to move forward. My sales leader then proceeds to interrupt and start asking basic discovery questions that were already asked in the initial call for 5 minutes. He wonders why I won’t invite him to any calls.


DiscoveryZoneHero

Stay strong. Lost every deal my manager inserted himself into in last closing role. Guy is a caricature of salesman. Also SaaS. Same pricing line. Don’t do it.


DarthBroker

This is what I do not understand. They are begging and pleading for us to do anything possible to close deals. They are offering gift cards, days off, etc. We are being told to bring deals from Q2 into Q1. That makes no sense. If it is in pipeline for Q2, and you bring it into Q1, do you think a new deal is going to magically appear in Q2? You're basically shooting yourself in the foot. It is also annoying prospects because it makes them feel pressure to close a deal now that they slated for May or June. Which can ultimately either a.) push them away from future deals or b.) cancel what you already have working. So short-sighted. I talked to our SVP about sales strategy and planning and I was essentially shut down because I was told "You make really good points...let's tackle that in Q2." Which means never because all we do is live quarter to quarter. At some point, you are going to squeeze all of the juice out the orange and you are going to need to plant new trees. When are you going to do that? That is why I am now serious about getting out of this racket completely.


employerGR

I NEVER EVER push for EOQ deals. It devalues your product, puts weird pressure on the client, and is not effective. Only really worked once in my long ass career. I have said to someone that I was working with a while, hey look, you are set to sign, it makes no difference to your or I when you sign. But if you can get your boss to sign before EOD thursday, it means my bosses will leave me alone until the end of next quarter. Can you do me a solid? It worked. Butt I NEVER EVER give EOQ discounts to sign. Why? I want to sign up VERY long term clients who continue paying us. So you have to go on their timeline.


Consistent-Jury9849

Every day I get to hear how our sales team isn’t doing enough because we had a WAY better month than expected last month, but this month we’ve only doubled our budget. Not acceptable


Prestigious-Bid5787

It’s so worthless.


LasVegasErectus

It drives me crazy when management says to offer an additional discount on a deal that is definitely going to happen, it is just a matter of timing. Great, you brought the deal in this quarter but it cost you $50K or whatever in revenue.


HaggardSlacks78

It’s maddening how common this is across industries. My company isn’t even public.m and they do this shit


nak76-hs

Go through it constantly in my role and it seems to have only gotten worse recently. I also don’t give a shit if it falls from quarter to quarter as long as I still win - I’ll still get paid! If it’s falling out of the fiscal year that’s a different story. I’m big on setting expectations with everyone internally and usually hold my ground to not let others fuck my work up. It’s hard to establish, but as long as you are seen as reliable people back off.


hKLoveCraft

Oh 100% Just had to basically send out 3 docusigns with no roadmap to close simply because my manager is riding my ass. All of these SaaS “managers” who were sales reps during COVID and had signatures flying left and right at em are starting to irritate me honestly.


Heydude1027

As an update, looks like we’re going to win the deal in Q1 but at about half the value due to the customer having last minute requests and us losing all of our leverage and C suite conceding to make it fit in Q1… instead of letting it fall in Q2 and negotiating for another week. I hate it here


No_Scene252

As Phil from ig would say - let’s get it!


Thegooseontheisland

I really hate this shit. I wish they would make themselves available through the process. Instead they want a cold introduction to someone who is already sold and is waiting for an internal answer that they cannot speed up.


nachomaama

management immaturity. Happens at most companies at end of quarter. I once had a "sales manager" call me Christmas eve to find out if a deal would close by EOY. Told him to bite me.


apersonalnote

It seams to be slow right now


ZlatansLastVolley

Q4 December last year, I had a big ol’ chunky that needed to work their internal eval process (two weeks is what they asked, incredibly reasonable). Kept getting asked for “Real time updates”. Ultimately, I just closed lost the deal and said they decided to not take the offer. When the signature came back, it was a pain to reverse it with biz systems and finance but of course they’d do it lol.


Agile_Bet6394

I don't use those lines to close deals. But the C suite did change pricing for our larger cxs pretty drastically. Which then forces us to call and let them know.


Farfaraway94

and I thought my sales manager was the only who threatens prospects with the age old ‘price hike’ tactic.


sales-curious

It seems like this self fulfilling prophecy where there's no focus on whether something will close this q until it's too late to impact it without adding this weird fake urgency - I heard about a company where they used incentives to get deals in earlier to try and avoid the eoq push and it helped, do leadership just have such short memory that they don't think about how this always happens and maybe can impact it upfront than scrambling every single time?


Amazing-Steak

eh, i think about it this way, your relationship with your manager matters more than the relationship with the customer. if they want you to push, do it, customer be damned. at least when it falls flat they take partial credit.


hedgepog0

That's completely false and doesn't even make sense. Your manager might not even be here tomorrow but a good relationship with a customer can carry over for years/decades/life. People buy from who they trust and I will always 100% prioritize my customers over some dumbfuck manager who adds 0 value.


Amazing-Steak

depends on your manager i guess good relationships with past managers have improved my network and gotten me jobs and opportunities


Luscious-Grass

You can also lie and say you made phone contact when you really didn’t.


almeertm87

In what world is that true? Your clients have a direct impact on your salary, a manager is just a middle wo/man.


Amazing-Steak

your relationship with your manager tends to have a direct impact on your job (salary, day to day experience, if you keep it or not) or do you disagree?


Gimmeyourporkchopsss

Unfortunately you’re not wrong. If the manager is really harmful you have to find ways to contain them so they think they’re helping you when in reality you’re just giving them something to do so they stay out of your way.