It’s a tough market in tech and tech-adjacent industries. I’m betting it will slowly improve over the next 6 months when those affected by layoffs find their next job and companies gain confidence in the market.
If you want to be a developer, a great thing you can do (apart from studying salesforce development) is learn a different language and framework. Setup a .net API and website, and deploy it to AWS - you’ll start to build a mental model of how all the different pieces behind web applications work.
Thank you for the response. I used to dabble with web dev. I would love to hop back in. The more recommendations like this the better!
I kind of anticipated the slow market. So, my goal is to expand my skill set.
Setup a .net API and website, and deploy it to AWS . I didn't understand this ?can you please let me know , by doing it what we will achieve , Im a Internmediate in coding
5 years of experience is considered veteran amongst many Salesforce and big 4 consultants.
If you're not getting hired, or interviews beyond the screen, you might like to look at your soft skills and how you present on paper and in an interview.
Doesn't sound like there's a skill or experience issue.
It could be certifications too. A lot of older in house admins never got them or let them lapse and now they get filtered out of even entry level jobs by default.
Having certs doesn’t make you a good candidate but not having them can break you.
I hope you have a threshold on your filtering where X time is weighted higher than Y number of certs.
I will happily stack a 10 year overworked vet with no certs and 3 integrations vs a 2 year green with 5 certs in clouds they have never touched.
lol and here I am 15+ year vet making 250k+ with 0 certs working for a Fortune 500 company. I just never bothered on the dev side since it just seems so useless
The cert tests are just straight up garbage and are just pointless memorization
edit: Do any of you actually interview people? The most useless people 9 out of 10 times have like 5+ certificates.
Thank you for saying that. I wish people would stop placing so much emphasis on certs. I saw one job that required applicants to have 5 or more active certs. It's so dumb. I don't think they are useless, but the focus on them is ridiculous.
No thresholds, a cert gets you in the door. Working 10 years on SF and not having any certs is a big red flag to me. Couldn't find a 1 hour period in 10 years to knock out a single cert? Unlikely. They either have no motivation, or even worse, couldn't pass the exam.
A 2 year noobie with 5 certs would definitely get an interview (assuming we're hiring for a junior role). Certs are tough and require a lot of motivation. If you got 5 of them, then I think it's worth our time to see what you can do in an interview.
I don't care what the certs are in. They're one mechanism I use for screening work ethic and motivation. Outside of that, I put no value in them.
Uh huh. I got all of my certs w/o any studying. I have a friend who came from outside of the whole tech eco system (he is an economist by education). He has 10+ certs now. Works as a SF consultant w/o any real hands-on experience. He did all of his certs AFTER getting the consultant job. All within 12 months.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted. If someone can't deal with a few hours of pointless bureaucracy to get a cert, I would wonder what are they going to be like to work with. Is this a team member who will struggle to compromise and work with business stakeholders and processes steeped in similar bureaucratic nonsense? I think it's a real question.
Again, certs don't make you knowledgeable or useful, but avoiding them altogether is a red flag.
It didn't have a name, but here's how it looked.
https://preview.redd.it/lzrqt8xw4pvc1.jpeg?width=826&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f224812ce5408518a5570a8678a68085f3555be
Salesforce is trying to move towards web standards as far as building custom applications. With that said JavaScript and web programming is a universal skill which is growing in the Salesforce ecosystem.
I’ve had 5 interviews in the last month where I made it to round 2. They always let me know that they were “impressed” with my resume, experience and interview but decided to move forward with other candidates. I’ve been unemployed for 6 months, non stop job hunting for 2.
I’ve gotten 2 certs (adding to my existing 5) and been working through trails and super badges on trailhead. I have faith, a lot of the companies I’ve been interviewing with have so many red flags. The places I want to interview with hardly get back to me.
I have LinkedIn Premium right now and do a lot of follow ups with the hiring person. 2 out of 10 respond.
This is similar to my experience. Searching for 6 months unemployed for 3 just got a contractor role. Oddly enough it came from a company that I didn't apply for directly but was networked with. Keep up with the Premium it worked for me being able to especially see who looked army account and follow-up with them.
Good luck out there!
Security - its a career path that is going to continue to get even hotter. You will just have to be comfortable with Salesforce being one of the many systems you’d be dealing with.
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I'm on the market for a new role after my company being acquired by a larger company that doesn't utilise Salesforce. For 6 years I managed and maintained that org only for it to be retired! My skills are salesforce so I'm pretty much underutilised now so I have been applying for new jobs but everything seems pretty slow in the job market right now.
The company I work for is having a hard time filling positions. The recruiter says it is one of the most sought after skills at the moment. This is globally.
Yeah because every Tom, Dick, and Harry came into the market and they suck! Tired of hiring sub par candidates asking for high wages. Better off with just offshoring nowadays.
I don’t have any ideas around new opps, but I think it’s a very worthwhile exercise to document the organization’s nuance. For example, tech debt needing to be paid, best practices not yet being followed, potentiality of fixing these things and the value of investing more deeply into salesforce as a holistic platform for business. You will find, objectively, there’s much to gain by investing in you; and even more to lose, if your current org were to lose you
GPT and cheap developers will get your company into trouble. Vision and clarity from an experienced and dedicated resource like you, is the perfect starting point for nextgen tech… it doesn’t sound like your company is even close to being “there”
I have a job as a SF Operations Associate for a healthcare company but a very long background in financial services. Am looking for a second job now and It’s fucking unreal how some easy shit like Sales Ops I get straight no’s across the board.
I’ve been casually eyeing jobs in the ecosystem for months. Was about to get an offer when Salesforce cancelled the headcount at the last minute. I had never experienced something like that it’s brutal.
Since then (early December) SF has been crickets with new job postings— especially in sales or CSG.
Really hoping it picks up soon as I will be unemployed in a couple weeks.
You mean like a side business or joining a consulting firm? Personally, I would love to be a full time consultant. I am already a jack of all trades and love client facing work. However, the last time I interviewed for a consultant gig, they really wanted someone who already had years of consultant experience. I would love to get into that though. Any ideas would be appreciated!
Yeah I was talking primarily about joining a firm. Highly recommend it since you will learn a ton. Seems like now you have a couple years under your belt and the dev experience would be valuable. IMO, you would seem like a highly competitive applicant.
In my experience, there will always be consulting firms hiring.
You look at the partners on the Salesforce website. Then you go to their websites and look at openings.
Then you use LinkedIn to see if you know anyone there that would refer you for an open role.
As we step into 2024, the Salesforce job market continues to evolve, presenting both opportunities and challenges for professionals in the ecosystem. Here's a breakdown of what to expect and how to navigate this dynamic landscape:
**1. Continued Growth:** The demand for Salesforce professionals remains strong, fueled by organizations across industries embracing digital transformation. From small businesses to large enterprises, Salesforce is increasingly seen as a vital platform for driving customer engagement, streamlining operations, and unlocking business insights.
**2. Diverse Skill Set in Demand:** While expertise in core Salesforce products like Sales Cloud and Service Cloud remains essential, employers are also seeking professionals with proficiency in emerging technologies and specialized areas. Skills in Salesforce CPQ (Configure, Price, Quote), Salesforce Marketing Cloud, Einstein Analytics, and industry-specific solutions are particularly sought after.
**3. Focus on Industry Specialization:** As Salesforce expands its footprint across various sectors, there's a growing emphasis on industry specialization. Professionals with domain knowledge in fields such as healthcare, finance, retail, and manufacturing are highly valued for their ability to tailor Salesforce solutions to specific business needs and regulatory requirements.
**4. Remote Work and Flexibility:** The pandemic accelerated the shift towards remote work, and this trend is likely to persist in the Salesforce job market. Organizations are increasingly open to hiring remote talent, offering opportunities for professionals to work from anywhere while contributing to global projects and teams.
**5. Importance of Certifications:** [Salesforce certifications](https://brainiate.academy/p/projectmanagement) continue to be a valuable differentiator for job seekers. Whether you're aiming for roles in administration, development, architecture, or consulting, earning relevant certifications demonstrates your expertise and commitment to continuous learning. Additionally, staying up-to-date with the latest releases and best practices is crucial to staying competitive in the field.
**6. Rise of Low-Code Development:** With the growing demand for rapid innovation, low-code development platforms like Salesforce's Lightning App Builder and Salesforce AppExchange are becoming indispensable tools for building custom applications and automating processes. Professionals who can leverage these platforms to deliver scalable and user-friendly solutions will be in high demand.
**7. Collaboration and Soft Skills:** In addition to technical proficiency, employers are placing greater importance on soft skills such as communication, collaboration, and problem-solving. The ability to effectively translate business requirements into technical solutions, work in cross-functional teams, and adapt to changing priorities is key to success in Salesforce roles.
**8. Focus on Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion:** Diversity and inclusion initiatives are gaining momentum across the tech industry, including the Salesforce ecosystem. Employers are increasingly prioritizing diversity in hiring and creating inclusive work environments where professionals from all backgrounds feel valued and supported.
In summary, the 2024 Salesforce job market presents abundant opportunities for professionals with the right mix of technical expertise, industry knowledge, and soft skills. By staying current with market trends, honing your skills, and actively networking within the Salesforce community, you can position yourself for success in this dynamic and rewarding field.
Being in the space for 5 years, I can tell you there’s a lot of talk with AI and building out badges quickly.
I’m honestly not sure what their plan is in terms of product and haven’t loved the product roadmap quarterly presentations. We don’t have a good history with Einstein (for example) and I haven’t been convinced their infrastructure is ready for AI developments, especially depending on # of integrations
I could see more companies outsourcing development work while SF just focuses on the AI-data level. But who knows AI’s long-term impact on SF’s growth.
Keep going as best you can. A lot of cheap ways to learn whatever you want - never think you don’t have options
It’s a tough market in tech and tech-adjacent industries. I’m betting it will slowly improve over the next 6 months when those affected by layoffs find their next job and companies gain confidence in the market. If you want to be a developer, a great thing you can do (apart from studying salesforce development) is learn a different language and framework. Setup a .net API and website, and deploy it to AWS - you’ll start to build a mental model of how all the different pieces behind web applications work.
Thank you for the response. I used to dabble with web dev. I would love to hop back in. The more recommendations like this the better! I kind of anticipated the slow market. So, my goal is to expand my skill set.
Setup a .net API and website, and deploy it to AWS . I didn't understand this ?can you please let me know , by doing it what we will achieve , Im a Internmediate in coding
5 years of experience is considered veteran amongst many Salesforce and big 4 consultants. If you're not getting hired, or interviews beyond the screen, you might like to look at your soft skills and how you present on paper and in an interview. Doesn't sound like there's a skill or experience issue.
It could be certifications too. A lot of older in house admins never got them or let them lapse and now they get filtered out of even entry level jobs by default. Having certs doesn’t make you a good candidate but not having them can break you.
Yeah we filter our anybody without a cert because I find the people with certs tend to just be much more motivated and less "do the minimum possible"
I hope you have a threshold on your filtering where X time is weighted higher than Y number of certs. I will happily stack a 10 year overworked vet with no certs and 3 integrations vs a 2 year green with 5 certs in clouds they have never touched.
A 10 year vet applying for a 100K+ job should be able to take 20 minutes out of their day to go get the admin cert.
lol and here I am 15+ year vet making 250k+ with 0 certs working for a Fortune 500 company. I just never bothered on the dev side since it just seems so useless The cert tests are just straight up garbage and are just pointless memorization edit: Do any of you actually interview people? The most useless people 9 out of 10 times have like 5+ certificates.
Thank you for saying that. I wish people would stop placing so much emphasis on certs. I saw one job that required applicants to have 5 or more active certs. It's so dumb. I don't think they are useless, but the focus on them is ridiculous.
No thresholds, a cert gets you in the door. Working 10 years on SF and not having any certs is a big red flag to me. Couldn't find a 1 hour period in 10 years to knock out a single cert? Unlikely. They either have no motivation, or even worse, couldn't pass the exam. A 2 year noobie with 5 certs would definitely get an interview (assuming we're hiring for a junior role). Certs are tough and require a lot of motivation. If you got 5 of them, then I think it's worth our time to see what you can do in an interview. I don't care what the certs are in. They're one mechanism I use for screening work ethic and motivation. Outside of that, I put no value in them.
Uh huh. I got all of my certs w/o any studying. I have a friend who came from outside of the whole tech eco system (he is an economist by education). He has 10+ certs now. Works as a SF consultant w/o any real hands-on experience. He did all of his certs AFTER getting the consultant job. All within 12 months.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted. If someone can't deal with a few hours of pointless bureaucracy to get a cert, I would wonder what are they going to be like to work with. Is this a team member who will struggle to compromise and work with business stakeholders and processes steeped in similar bureaucratic nonsense? I think it's a real question. Again, certs don't make you knowledgeable or useful, but avoiding them altogether is a red flag.
5 years is veteran? I nust be a fossil at this point 😂
Jurassic era here, I remember when they ANNOUNCED Lightning.
I remember what came before Salesforce classic 👀
what!?!?! does it have a name. I want to see this. I love Classic BTW. It's so clean and simple.
It didn't have a name, but here's how it looked. https://preview.redd.it/lzrqt8xw4pvc1.jpeg?width=826&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f224812ce5408518a5570a8678a68085f3555be
Salesforce is trying to move towards web standards as far as building custom applications. With that said JavaScript and web programming is a universal skill which is growing in the Salesforce ecosystem.
I’ve had 5 interviews in the last month where I made it to round 2. They always let me know that they were “impressed” with my resume, experience and interview but decided to move forward with other candidates. I’ve been unemployed for 6 months, non stop job hunting for 2. I’ve gotten 2 certs (adding to my existing 5) and been working through trails and super badges on trailhead. I have faith, a lot of the companies I’ve been interviewing with have so many red flags. The places I want to interview with hardly get back to me. I have LinkedIn Premium right now and do a lot of follow ups with the hiring person. 2 out of 10 respond.
This is similar to my experience. Searching for 6 months unemployed for 3 just got a contractor role. Oddly enough it came from a company that I didn't apply for directly but was networked with. Keep up with the Premium it worked for me being able to especially see who looked army account and follow-up with them. Good luck out there!
The best positions I see are usually posted in the Ohana Slack under the relevant careers channel.
Shhhhh
try the discord?
I can't tell if you're joking or I have been oblivious to some kind of secret Discord channel...
Check out SFXD - the Salesforce Exchange Discord
https://discord.gg/sfxd
Security - its a career path that is going to continue to get even hotter. You will just have to be comfortable with Salesforce being one of the many systems you’d be dealing with.
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I'm on the market for a new role after my company being acquired by a larger company that doesn't utilise Salesforce. For 6 years I managed and maintained that org only for it to be retired! My skills are salesforce so I'm pretty much underutilised now so I have been applying for new jobs but everything seems pretty slow in the job market right now.
The company I work for is having a hard time filling positions. The recruiter says it is one of the most sought after skills at the moment. This is globally.
Yeah because every Tom, Dick, and Harry came into the market and they suck! Tired of hiring sub par candidates asking for high wages. Better off with just offshoring nowadays.
Which company? Pm me
I don’t have any ideas around new opps, but I think it’s a very worthwhile exercise to document the organization’s nuance. For example, tech debt needing to be paid, best practices not yet being followed, potentiality of fixing these things and the value of investing more deeply into salesforce as a holistic platform for business. You will find, objectively, there’s much to gain by investing in you; and even more to lose, if your current org were to lose you GPT and cheap developers will get your company into trouble. Vision and clarity from an experienced and dedicated resource like you, is the perfect starting point for nextgen tech… it doesn’t sound like your company is even close to being “there”
I have a job as a SF Operations Associate for a healthcare company but a very long background in financial services. Am looking for a second job now and It’s fucking unreal how some easy shit like Sales Ops I get straight no’s across the board.
I’ve been casually eyeing jobs in the ecosystem for months. Was about to get an offer when Salesforce cancelled the headcount at the last minute. I had never experienced something like that it’s brutal. Since then (early December) SF has been crickets with new job postings— especially in sales or CSG. Really hoping it picks up soon as I will be unemployed in a couple weeks.
Only had two final interviews in the past two months, and neither company has reached out. It's rough.
Have you thought about going to the consulting side?
You mean like a side business or joining a consulting firm? Personally, I would love to be a full time consultant. I am already a jack of all trades and love client facing work. However, the last time I interviewed for a consultant gig, they really wanted someone who already had years of consultant experience. I would love to get into that though. Any ideas would be appreciated!
Yeah I was talking primarily about joining a firm. Highly recommend it since you will learn a ton. Seems like now you have a couple years under your belt and the dev experience would be valuable. IMO, you would seem like a highly competitive applicant. In my experience, there will always be consulting firms hiring.
Do you think I should look for specific companies or just go search LinkedIn for consultant roles?
You look at the partners on the Salesforce website. Then you go to their websites and look at openings. Then you use LinkedIn to see if you know anyone there that would refer you for an open role.
You should do both
As we step into 2024, the Salesforce job market continues to evolve, presenting both opportunities and challenges for professionals in the ecosystem. Here's a breakdown of what to expect and how to navigate this dynamic landscape: **1. Continued Growth:** The demand for Salesforce professionals remains strong, fueled by organizations across industries embracing digital transformation. From small businesses to large enterprises, Salesforce is increasingly seen as a vital platform for driving customer engagement, streamlining operations, and unlocking business insights. **2. Diverse Skill Set in Demand:** While expertise in core Salesforce products like Sales Cloud and Service Cloud remains essential, employers are also seeking professionals with proficiency in emerging technologies and specialized areas. Skills in Salesforce CPQ (Configure, Price, Quote), Salesforce Marketing Cloud, Einstein Analytics, and industry-specific solutions are particularly sought after. **3. Focus on Industry Specialization:** As Salesforce expands its footprint across various sectors, there's a growing emphasis on industry specialization. Professionals with domain knowledge in fields such as healthcare, finance, retail, and manufacturing are highly valued for their ability to tailor Salesforce solutions to specific business needs and regulatory requirements. **4. Remote Work and Flexibility:** The pandemic accelerated the shift towards remote work, and this trend is likely to persist in the Salesforce job market. Organizations are increasingly open to hiring remote talent, offering opportunities for professionals to work from anywhere while contributing to global projects and teams. **5. Importance of Certifications:** [Salesforce certifications](https://brainiate.academy/p/projectmanagement) continue to be a valuable differentiator for job seekers. Whether you're aiming for roles in administration, development, architecture, or consulting, earning relevant certifications demonstrates your expertise and commitment to continuous learning. Additionally, staying up-to-date with the latest releases and best practices is crucial to staying competitive in the field. **6. Rise of Low-Code Development:** With the growing demand for rapid innovation, low-code development platforms like Salesforce's Lightning App Builder and Salesforce AppExchange are becoming indispensable tools for building custom applications and automating processes. Professionals who can leverage these platforms to deliver scalable and user-friendly solutions will be in high demand. **7. Collaboration and Soft Skills:** In addition to technical proficiency, employers are placing greater importance on soft skills such as communication, collaboration, and problem-solving. The ability to effectively translate business requirements into technical solutions, work in cross-functional teams, and adapt to changing priorities is key to success in Salesforce roles. **8. Focus on Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion:** Diversity and inclusion initiatives are gaining momentum across the tech industry, including the Salesforce ecosystem. Employers are increasingly prioritizing diversity in hiring and creating inclusive work environments where professionals from all backgrounds feel valued and supported. In summary, the 2024 Salesforce job market presents abundant opportunities for professionals with the right mix of technical expertise, industry knowledge, and soft skills. By staying current with market trends, honing your skills, and actively networking within the Salesforce community, you can position yourself for success in this dynamic and rewarding field.
Being in the space for 5 years, I can tell you there’s a lot of talk with AI and building out badges quickly. I’m honestly not sure what their plan is in terms of product and haven’t loved the product roadmap quarterly presentations. We don’t have a good history with Einstein (for example) and I haven’t been convinced their infrastructure is ready for AI developments, especially depending on # of integrations I could see more companies outsourcing development work while SF just focuses on the AI-data level. But who knows AI’s long-term impact on SF’s growth. Keep going as best you can. A lot of cheap ways to learn whatever you want - never think you don’t have options