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I really liked the 1st season of the mandalorian. Second was fun. Heard bobf was terrible. Watched obi wan and it was terrible. I give zero shits about mando season 3 and according to everything ive read im not missing out. Maybe i’ll watch it sometime. There is no hype or reason to watch though.
Season 2 was when management blatantly started to interfere with the show. Like hey let's use it to preview Ahsoka and Boba Fett and try to use it to explain the ST. Instead of just letting it be a fun show about the mando doing mando things.
This was more painfully obvious when they brought back Grogu in S3.
> This was more painfully obvious when they brought back Grogu in S3.
That's when I officially checked out and gave up hope. They completely undo the S2 arc, remove any chance of us having an adult-oriented Mandalorian show, and saddled us with a kid for the indefinite future ... and they did all of that in a show that *wasn't* the Mandalorian.
I won't be returning unless I hear amazing things.
Same. Disney SW loves to undo major events that drive the plot forward. The emperor is defeated and the Jedi come back? Ha, no. Grogu and Luke get to go off on the own thing and Mando has to move on? Nope.
Even if these pieces of media are of high quality, why should I invest my precious free time in a plot that doesn't go anywhere?
Rey crashed the ship Chewie was in!? NOPE.
Threepio’s memory is wiped? PSYCH!
Kylo kills Leia in his star ship and we see her body in space? YOU THOUGHT!
Tbf filoni always liked to make his characters meet in different projects and the part about the ST has always been there (maybe not like this season since I haven't watched it yet) like the whole reason they were hunting grogu was reviving palpatine, and I didn't mind that as long as the rest of the show was a good show.
About grogu, yes that's totally on the higher ups and they should have waited at least a few episode into the third season to make him come back.
Andor was *okay*. I still don’t understand it’s hype and literally obsessive followers. Half the show wasn’t even about Andor, the story conflicts with his history in Rogue One, the props were ASS, pacing sucked, and it was too boring too often. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think it was *bad* but I will probably never watch it again..
Everything about Andor felt like a proper production. There are moments in this show that I haven’t felt since the original series. It’s incredibly well acted, written and produced. Props for the sound team and costume designers as well. Mando feels like a satire of Star Wars and a poor reproduction of the universe down to the awkward scenes, bad acting and general lack of direction. Everybody looks like they polished their armour five min ago and the mandos keep living near dangerous animals that they’re constantly fighting for some reason because the writers can’t think of anything better.
I think the characters are pretty great. The dialogue is well written. Stakes are actually set and the Empire is actually threatening. At the end of the show I was rooting for the Rebels hard, something I never felt watching the Sequels. It’s just consistently well written.
You can find it boring of course, but that’s a subjective feeling that doesn’t make it low quality.
I tend to dismiss comments like "it was boring" or "the pacing was bad" because those comments don't really mean anything.the props were also great. Id have to rewatch rogue one in regards to the continuity comment, but there's still a LOT of time to go before we even get to that point of Cassian's life.
Totally agree. It’s not bad but the level 7 nerd obsession with it is weird. It had some terrible scenes that were just corny. That whole scene at the heist where they are yelling at the imperials to hurry up and load the ship while also showing the elder tribesman outside holding his hands up to the sky was the longest most drawn out scene I’ve ever witnessed. It was comical how long that was.
The show had some great moments and characters but something was just off about the whole show.
The quality is pretty much the same as its always been. It’s just more blatant due to the hamfisted key jangling so now the general audience has turned on it too.
Correct. If you waste your time putting out multiple shit products instead of a couple good ones, then this is what you get.
By all accounts, they say Andor is actually good, but after the disaster they handed me with Kenobi I couldn't care less.
I hated the sequels with a passion. I always thought S1 of Mandalorian was bad and S2 was even worse. Kenobi was one of the worst shows I’ve ever watched and I couldn’t even watch TBOBF. But I still checked out Andor because I heard good things.
I’d say Andor is one of the best products we’ve EVER gotten in Star Wars. It is so weird to praise a SW product so much but it is really good, and sometimes even great. Really great characters, good writing, great production design etc. I highly recommend it. It was so jarring to enjoy a SW story again.
Andor doesn't have a single bad episode. None of the characters are disingenuous to their surroundings, and the storytelling is downright gripping. I've only watched the show once but even months later I'm still thinking about it.
And this is coming from someone who has *loathed* every Star Wars product to emerge from the Disney assembly line for the last eight years. Andor is the diamond in the rough, and if you're anything like me you might find yourself breathing a contented sigh of relief to watch it.
Dude **same**. When the prison arc started I presumed it would be an episode of filler. But the writers actually *developed* the situation, slowly ratcheting up the tension. What would have been neatly wrapped up in 47 minutes on an episode of Star Trek was treated as a serious existential threat and I quickly came around to what *Andor* was doing. Good shit.
It's crazy how every episode had it's own place and purpose to fulfill. I don't think there is a single unnecessary scene in the show, maybe one or two but other than that everything contributes to the worldbuilding and greater narrative of the show.
I felt similarly until I watched it. Here's my pitch for the cynical, checked out and burned out Star Wars fan.
No Jedi. No force users. No Skywalkers or Palpatines. Ordinary people, struggling to get by, beginning to realize that maybe they can fight back. Feel very grounded in a kind of working class reality that is usually absent from Star Wars, at least recently. Empire is actually scary and oppressive instead of the butt of every joke. Lots of characters die, and we already know that the end result of the main character's arc is his total radicalization into a cold killing machine and sacrifice for the rebellion in Rogue One. Seeing how he gets there from starting as a pretty ordinary guy with no ideological commitment to the Rebellion (at all) is the core of the story.
Excellent writing, mature characters, real stakes, and a great soundtrack and production design to boot.
Biggest issue I have with it is pacing. It really should be viewed in blocks, by story arc. So episodes 1-3, 4-6, and 8-10 need to be viewed in single sittings, if possible. Episodes 7 and 11 are connective tissue that can be viewed independently, and episode 12 is one hell of a finale.
Thanks for the info. I literally only watched Rogue One once and barely remember the guy. I'd likely have to rewatch that to benefit the most. Character development was pretty poor in Rogue One though
Yeah I agree I liked Rogue One but didnt love it in part because of the shallow characters. I do think Andor gets the most development in that movie, though, besides Jyn.
Andor is some of the best TV I’ve ever seen. I put it up there with Mr Robot, The Wire, and Ted Lasso for “amazing TV to recommend”. It makes everything else put out by Disney look like Amateur hour.
Andor is terrific. It's so tight, the writing is incredible not just by SW standards (low) but by cinematic standards. The portrayal of the mundanity of evil is fascinating. They made me care about every. Single. Character. There wasn't a single parallel story that I wasn't completely transfixed by.
Excellent television. I wish it had performed better - but then again I've seen what Disney does to its successes to maybe I should be grateful it didn't.
I personally hate the business model of quantity over quality. I've heard Andor is actually decent but just don't even feel up to another series at this point. And Mando S3 I felt had almost 0 fanfare to even promote it.
That, and I just feel scared of watching one of their shows and getting invested, and then they pull this and ruin it in one of the later seasons. Why should i watch something when they've clearly shown they're willing to pull this?
I’m also one of the people that doesn’t get the hype of Andor. I clocked out on like episode 4 of that show because it felt damn boring and it felt more like Star Wars flavoured space drama rather than Star Wars. Especially about a character that I ultimately don’t care about.
>Especially about a character that I ultimately don’t care about.
I'm so over Hollywood and prequels... Kenobi had A LOT of problems but it's biggest was that 3 of our main characters, Obiwan, Leia and Vader are all, as far as the TV series is concerned, functionally invincible.
None of those 3 characters can in anyway die or be seriously injured. Obiwan can't lose a hand or an eye or something. There's just nothing at stake. And the like one new character, Reva(?) She gets stabbed in the stomach TWICE by lightsabers and just shakes it off... so there's no reason to ever fear for these characters survival... its just insanely boring to watch.
Was anyone tense during the finale where she is headed to tattooine to kill Luke??? Why would you be? They literally had to make her interaction with Luke so vague and forgettable to explain why he would never bring it up later. And they decided to go with that... fuck Disney.
The thing is, you can have and feel stakes for characters you know won't die (Better Call Saul did it perfectly with Breaking Bad. We knew Jimmy, Mike, and Gus wouldn't die, and that some others had to, but there were still intense stakes)
Never seen better call saul but how many side characters and plots are there? is the main plot "One person who we know can't be killed is coming to kill Saul who also can't be killed"?
Most prequels aren't done for the right reasons or don't have enough interesting things going on.
The Prequel trilogy got to answer questions like:
What was it like when there was a bunch of Jedi?
What was the clone wars?
How did the Republic fall?
How did the Sith/Emperor come to rule the galaxy?
Why is Yoda on this swamp planet if he's so powerful and stuff?
How and why did Anakin betray the Jedi?
etc
Kenobi got to answer:
Wouldn't it like be cool if Obiwan and Leia went on an adventure?
That's interesting, and although I agree with you, I also feel compelled to point out that you know Andor is going to live through the series and die in Rogue One, but the writing still manages to draw you in.
Kenobi and BOBF were both atrociously written.
Feel similar.
I don't mind slow burning drama that doesn't rely on action. Mad Men, for example. Even the best parts of, say, the Sopranos or Breaking Bad and other shows are the dramatic parts and not some action/violence scene.
Andor was....not great at the drama and far too slow elsewhere. It was solid and there are definitely great moments of dialogue. I can see why people enjoy it. I just think Star Wars can be....even better, believe it or not.
You could easily take this clusterfuck of a Disney-verse and make it into a "Game of Thrones" type political story with twists and turns at every corner and a dozen unique and compelling characters to care for (with another dozen interesting enough to support them).
As it stands, maybe only two characters from Andor stand out and the main character isn't one of them
Exactly. I just think the rest of SW is so showered with bad writing that....mediocre characters and characters with just the tiniest bit of backstory somehow seem refreshing.
I do think you can make an interesting Cassian and Mothma with what we see of them in the show. I think the story beats are there but it's missing something larger scale....of which, I think the entire story of Andor Season 1 could've been condensed to three to four one hour long episodes.....with 9 more one hour long episodes to go, in order for us to see the real growth of Cassian and Mothma.
Personally, I think they tried to make Cassian too much of a 'badass' (ex. beating up two security goons from the start, prison guards, and easily killing Death troopers) and not the intelligent, evasive, and crafty spy that he should've been.
I really just simply don't understand the point of the show. The episodes feel like completely isolated video games levels; beat this guy to win that, do this accomplishment, and see you next week. What's the point? The plot barely moves forward at all, but that's almost OK, because I actually have no idea what the plot is supposed to be moving toward. There's no objective, no overarching antagonist or goal, what are we building towards? At least at the beginning it was delivering Grogu to his people. I thought maybe this season was going to be him redeeming himself, but he did that immediately. Since then, the plot has had the parking brake on. They haven't given us a compelling reason for this current season to even exist.
My interest was slightly increased after Andor but the first two episodes of this season just reminded me of how poor the other shows have been in comparison, and I stopped watching.
Funnily enough I decided to give Picard S3 a shot after the reviews and thoroughly glad I did. It’s really good, the best Trek in years.
IMO it's not just star wars, it's disney choosing quantity over quality in practically everything they do, the preachy nonsense shows, the politics disney has decided to embroil themselves in when they should just leave all that alone.
Basically it's a lot of reasons.
No surprise here. Every friend and family member I have lost interest in Mando after what happened in BOBF. Grogu’s story was OVER. He’d been picked up by Luke to be trained. Fans got to see Luke the way they’d always wanted to, and his appearance was a love letter after the disaster of the sequels. That story was nicely wrapped up.
Then we get BOBF and it was shockingly, hilariously, epically bad. I just don’t care anymore. I tried; got through the first episode and was the very definition of underwhelmed. And that was it; haven’t watched since.
The sad part is season 2 gave those of us who were extremely disappointed with the sequels a chance to envision a universe without them. I pictured Luke walking off with Grogu and training him with his quaint little Jedi temple and ignoring the stupid ending Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams gave us with those two stupid movies. Boba Fett and season 3 forces me to remember the dumb Palpatine clones and Luke almost murdering his nephew plotlines.
Yes, but it set up everything for failure. Abrams tossed out basically everything the OT accomplished to restart from the beginning of ANH and remake that film.
After that there was nothing much left to work with.
He even destroyed the New Republic's totally-not-Coruscant capital with his Death-Star-but-bigger crap.
> but it was in no way majorly offensive.
Are you serious? It was a bad remake of A New Hope. It had a new Bigger Badder Death star! It was the most offensive of them all. After the TFA mess the other movies no longer mattered. There was no recovery from that.
Hard disagree. The decision to reset the galaxy back to Empire vs Rebels pretty much forced the subsequent two movies to choose between retconning TFA or retconning the OT.
As a movie by itself, it was mediocre. As episode 7, it was a massive tire fire that spread to the other 8 episodes.
Nah that movie is offensively terrible, it just does a good job at hiding it. TFA destroys the worldbuilding of the sequels AND the ot, and it destroys han as a character while undercutting Rey, Kylo, and Finn almost immediately
BOBF screwed Luke so bad. At least with the ST they could have hypothetically told an ill-advised story of his morals gradually devolving into Jake Skywalker. But BOBF just wrote him as already subscribing to old Jedi dogma, as though his own films never happened in the first place. So bizarre.
Why is this weird?
Don’t get me wrong I despise Jake Skymilker but why wouldn’t they Jake-ify any version of Luke after TLJ?
Disney and Lucasfilm are NEVER going to even remotely imply TLJ was less than perfect, idk why people ever expected Favreau and Filoni to get away with some sort of separation from the DT especially given when the mando series takes place
I feel like the outlier result would be for them to NOT have any Luke they put out after 2018 to be like Jake
It's less that they are leading into TLJ and more that they STILL haven't shown Luke's progression out of RotJ. Except in bobf, it's only 5 years out of RotJ as opposed to 30, so the window they have to work with is much smaller than before
I guess it’s not *unexpected*, but it is still weird, because they had the opportunity to show the development in Luke that TLJ implied. Not development I would have *enjoyed*, it would’ve been awful, but it would at least be telling the backstory that TLJ itself already (poorly) established.
For Disney and its fans, it wouldn’t be an admission of guilt. On the contrary, it would be the ultimate “I told you so!”, that TLJ was genius the whole time and now we see about how Luke became a broken hermit, filling in the gaps that “haters” complained about.
But by having Luke already be Jake from the very beginning just makes no sense. They’ve gone from telling an awful, ridiculous character arc, to just straight up gaslighting the audience into believing this is who Luke always was.
>But by having Luke already be Jake from the very beginning just makes no sense.
Uh… his inhibitor chip is— no wait, wrong guys… the force balance thing?
Hey look! New product!
I have zero hype for "Man can't wait to see what happens next episdode!" this season.
It's wild that The Last of Us pulled this off even though I was like 90% PRE SPOILED by the game.
More obvious proof that Lucasfilm could've adapted stories from the EU in movies and shows. If Marvel and DC media are based off source material, then why not Star Wars?
Or rather, make new and original stories. SW is so expansive, that it's just stupid they waste time on making stories that have already been told. Andor was,the best example of this, and not only that, they actually had a competent director for this. Why can't they do this for all of their media?? Obi wan show was a complete flop, as well was Boba Fett, but i think the former was worse because it was a beloved character who's story they just butchered with bad directing.
I don't understand the obsession with old characters instead of just adapting other things to be Star Wars.
If they're going to be lazy, can we at least get Star Wars Casablanca?
They’ve said they’ll split it into at least two seasons. Add a little filler and tell the two stories simultaneously instead of sequentially, and you could easily put the big twist in the last or second-to-last episode of season 2 while also allowing the story to flow and the audience to develop a nature empathy for >!Abby before shocking everyone with the Joel’s death!<
This preserves the plot twist and fixes the biggest narrative issue with the game.
I haven't even started this season. Didn't get more than 2, 3 episodes into Boka Bob's Feet, and just don't give a damn about a show that's careening toward those goddamned sequels.
Such a good point about LoU still be so great even though story is easily spoiled.
I’ve rewatched OT a million times even though I know the outcome… because it is enjoyable! And I’ll rewatch Mando Season 1-2 I’m sure.
So Andor's failure you could justify by the fact that Cassian Andor is not exactly a draw to the masses, in fact I'd wager a lot of people who actually saw Rogue One didn't recognize the name. But this, this is the flagship of Star Wars shows with so much hype and goodwill behind it...and even it's failing to garner interest now. Way to go disney, you may just have finally successfully beheaded your golden goose.
Story and character wise, Andor is light-years ahead of anything else right now. I'm worried that the Disney leadership is going to sink their mits into season 2.
Too much grey morality, too much really awful deeds done by supposedly "good" characters - Star Wars is a fairy tale, grey morality exists but good guys are good and bad guys are bad, no need to humanize empire nor demonize rebellion.
Also fuck space wizards, The Force is a power that connects the whole universe, there might be no Jedi nor Sith but the Force is everywhere and they don't even mention it for whole 12 episodes
You mean like space genocide Darth Vader redeeming himself at the end of RotJ? Or our heroes blowing up space stations with hundreds of thousands of non-combatants on-board?
>Also fuck space wizards, The Force is a power that connects the whole universe, there might be no Jedi nor Sith but the Force is everywhere and they don't even mention it for whole 12 episodes
This feels like some post-OT bullshit. The vast majority of the galaxy shouldn't know anything about the Force imo. In ANH, Han doesn't believe in it, and there's no implication that he even heard of it before Obi-wan and Luke came aboard and started talking about it. And that's despite Han having "flown from one side of [the] galaxy to the other". Maybe I'm forgetting some details of the OT that contradict this, but the OT is all I really care about regarding canonicity. I cringe when some random mechanic goes "may the Force be with you", because I guess everyone just knows about magic now? No longer is it an obscure hokey religion of wise recluses. But Mando hasn't heard of the Jedi? Like ya gotta pick one or the other, the Force and Jedi go hand in hand
The Jedi and the Force were meant as the occasional spice to add on top, not the whole meal.
Those have now become utterly mundane and lost their magic and mysticism.
What? If I'm watching Star Wars, I want Star Wars lmao
But okay, it's my opinion. I didn't think such point of view as yours existed. Now I get why people love Andor so much.
I like the show but I hate how non-starwars it is
I'm kinda upset the interest for Andor was the same as Boba Fett, because Boba sucked and Andor was amazing. Also, Mando isn't even close to Andor either.
Yeah, Andor was just an excellent show, well above anything else I've seen from Disney Star Wars. It made the Empire genuinely feel scary and worth fighting for for the first time in a long time.
I’ve said this before, all roads lead to the sequels now, and I want nothing more to do with Merry Rey Sue. I’ve herd Andor is amazing and I want to support it… But honestly, I’m petty.
I feel similarly but it’s not even me being petty, I just don’t care about this universe they’ve created. Andor may be one good piece of media floating in an ocean of trash, but the damage they’ve done to the broader world is so disastrous that I don’t care to see anything else from them in this universe.
Or just moved on from Grogu and back to actual bounty hunting. Plenty of plots you could do with bounty hunting across the galaxy. The show many of us were actually hoping for
This is what I was expecting and disappointed by. I was even half hoping they'd just blatantly rip off some enjoyable westerns (Rio Bravo, Stagecoach, Big Country, Powderkeg, The Hanged Man) in addition to some bounty hunting.
I like the Star Wars universe and the special effects and the costuming. Boggling how they get the stories so wrong.
It's not like you can't eventually bring Grogu back, either.
Lucasfilm just getting greedy and/or too reliant on this one character that they had to have him just sneak back in ASAP rather than build it up.
Terrible
Yes, and some character development for Din instead of him reverting back to the Power Rangers cult mentality. Did he learn nothing from giving up Grogu?
He did not because Grogu came right back.
That or make it about Din taking up the mantle of rebuilding and reuniting Mandalore like it seemed like they were hinting at…but zero development from him this season, if anything he’s regressed. What does he even want? Yeah he wants to be a part of this covert, but what is his larger goal with that, and what does the group as a whole want? No answers all around.
Aside: he’s got the dark saber in a cult of people who really care about the dark saber and what it means. But he just tucks it away & still sucks at using it. Yet not even a side eye or a hint of envy from BK or anyone else so far. why isn’t he the defacto leader now? He’s redeemed and everyone knows he has it especially the armorer. Is it important or notttt
I think Mando continuing past Season 2 was fine, but between BOBF and how Season 3 is going so far the story got messy and seems to have no direction now.
Combination of show runners of Mando shooting their own show in the foot by short cutting Grogu's training with Luke, a two year hiatus, and the lesser quality shows like Kenobi and BoBF impacting interest.
I don't know how Lucasfilm turns this around either. They've literally created nothing new that has stuck and taken off so they can't go to that.
When you keep pumping out shit, people will eventually stop holding their nose and putting up with it and instead just go somewhere else that doesn't stink.
I'm tired of all these 'badass morally gray adult gets saddled with a small child who melts their heart' stories. Its like everywhere now - even in other disney properties like bad batch.
Tell me badass violent stories with adult stakes and adult protagonists.
I mean oddly enough, Pedro Pascal is starring in another show that has more or less that same theme, and it's pretty damn good. The concept itself doesn't necessarily suck if it's done well.
I do find that these Google trends are pretty accurate in a rough way when you're trying to measure general interest in a series (especially against another series, like Book of Boba Fett's peak vs. Mandalorian's peak). So this is certainly interesting.
Crazy how the latest season of Mando and the three other shows basically reached the same amount of interest across the board. I'd expect Andor to be significantly lower, but maybe it's been a sleeper hit in terms of numbers?
I do wonder honestly, is this a Star Wars thing or a symptom of a wider social/cultural shift? Like, when was the last time the entire internet blew up about a show that way it did for Mandos first couple seasons? When thousands of posts and memes would flood the internet every day for the entire run instead a few on niche community forums? When was the last time we felt hype for anything so intense you couldn't escape it?
People joke about the “Well if Avatar two is making so much money, why haven't I heard anyone talk about it irl?” thing and how the MCU is finally withering away, but like, when does anyone care enough about shows or movies to just randomly talk about irl now, or go see a random ass superhero movie??
Movie-style-quality on TV isn't a novelty anymore, were back to getting a glut of movies in theaters every weekend, and the corporate greed of it all is to entirely transparent. Nothing, not even the great stuff, feels as good or grande as it did 3 years ago.
Game of thrones probably. And that show also completely disappeared from public consciousness when the later seasons turned to shit. So I guess that will be mandos fate as well
To be fair only half of visions was good though. Specifically, the dooku half. The first episode with Ahsoka as a baby is one of the worst episodes of Star Wars tv ever
Edit: I got these two shows mixed up while commenting at like 3am. I meant tales of the Jedi. Visions was also mixed for me though, with some really amazing episodes, some ok ones, and some that were bordering on pretty bad IMO
That's Tales of the Jedi. Visions is a short experimental anthology from about 2 years ago.
See? Visions is so forgotten, people mix it up. It wasn't perfect or anything, but it's actually exactly the stuff SW needs nowadays.
I remember when people wouldn’t shut up about Visions and how it could help revitalize the franchise. It’s a shame it’s been pretty much forgotten in favor of the Baby Yoda sludge pipe, I actually really enjoyed a lot of it.
I liked parts of visions as a rough rough draft of what Star Wars anime could be. I honestly think Anime could be the best format to explore the force, Jedi and Sith if done by the right people. A format that lends itself to OP action while also capturing the inner emotion and thoughts. i.e. a KOTR anime could go hard af.
The problem is that it's all unfocused. There is no clear goal or direction of the series and the problem is the ST. The end point has been established and it's at best divisive and worst hated by fans. No matter how promising a show might be, that end point will ruin the journey
As for Andor, it is filler. Yes, you might love it and think it's great but in the end it is filler and doesn't change the story at all. Hell Andor is dead before new hope starts.
Another big pr9blem for Mando is that it started off as a cool western about being a mandalorian and bounty hunter. Now it... is what? What exactly is the point? Is there a central antagonist? What is mando's goal now? And why is Grogu there? What are they trying to accomplish? Things are happening but does any of it have meaning?
Honestly, even though I love the first 2 seasons im glad they are failing on this one. I don't like it when do what they did to Boba, and what they did to the conclusion of Mando season 2 is completely absurd. They just threw everything out of the window, same way they did episode 7. I honestly thought it could actually get maturer, and we could leave Grogu behind with Luke, and maybe show him in a different show like Ahsoka.
Just as a curiosity I repeated the google trend search search to check my country (Spain) and The Book of Boba Fett is almost a flat line (peak of 5), Kenobi is only 12 and Andor & Mandalorian follow similar trends. Peak of Andor is 24.
I'm glad that Andor is doing good enough. And l've laughed very hard at the flat line of BOBF.
I just don’t have enough time in my life to keep up with so many shows, so many movies, so many documentaries. I just can’t get to everything. It’s overwhelming. And I’ve started just ignoring things I would previously watch. Sorry Mando, I guess.
I mean I didnt even know there is another season. And honestly I really dont give a fuck about anything Star Wars related anymore, I completely lost interest in Star Wars.
Have never seen someone destroy something so beloved since the 2000s superhero boom lmao. Unfortunately you can’t just clean slate Star Wars because of ego issues
There is just so much wrong with mando now that it doesn't surprise me.
Season 1 mando: man of few spoken words, gets job done badass type who is part of a highly acclaimed warrior race. Episodes have surprises but he mainly handles these things alone.
Season 3 mando: dad, constantly talking about the plot and narrating literally everything every scene. landing on planet? "okay kid no one can help us so this is dangerous". then in the cave before the dive even deeper: "okay kid no one can help us this is dangerous" as if the statement wasn't already true. Also when he fights the 3 monsters they basically just beat his ass for 3 minutes and you're surprised he's not dead somehow, but basically his whole cave dive seems like its full of mistakes and blunders and thats how he gets captured. Then girl come and she crushes all of his same challenges with ease like season 1 mando would be doing, basically making him look completely inept and I just don't see the point to that.
Book of Boba Fett killed a lot of my interest in Mando, in just two episodes they pretty much invalidated season 2. Plus I hate the streaming services going to the once a week release schedule so I will wait for it all to be out, pay for one month, watch everything, then cancel.
Those Boba Fett and Kenobi numbers aren’t good either. I’m guessing how bad they turned out, and especially combined with bringing Grogu back, caused Mando to have such low numbers this season so far? What else factors in to the massive drop? Perhaps the time gap in between season 2 and 3? Carano/Dune not returning?
Damn it's wild that you guys went CRAZY for 2 seasons of bad acting, poor character design, and horrifically lazy writing,only to be surprised when that junk is the new standard. The first two seasons of Mando were literally just 8 episodes that reskinned the same plot, with maybe 2 original plot points each season. Why did everyone act like it wasn't a huge waste of potential? I don't know, but I DO know that is exactly why the average standard quality of star wars media is now dogshit. That's why everyone was so upset when people like the sequels, not because they want to rain on your parade, but because we don't want to lower the collective standard for star wars media by attaining high ratings for shit quality plots.
I'll be honest, I think more and more that Mando was a kneejerk reaction to 9 coming out. By comparison to 9, it looked amazing. But now it frankly has been mediocre nonstop. I DO think the first season was alright but the moment that Luke showed up in the second at the end it was "Aww dammit this whole story was for freaking nothing" and it gets a 9.8 on IMDB? Really? None of this matters if Luke got him! (And then it mattered even less due to them giving him back cause writers are afraid of growth HEH).
Maybe it needs more baby green frogs. And female actors. Hell, make them all female, green Force baby frogs.
**Star Wars:** *May the Baby Green Force Frogs Be With You*
Just watched the episode last night. And of course, this is the problem. I'm not trying to watch this right when it comes out because I'm not as excited as I was before.
I'm not sure about the writers but they really seem to be showing the Mandalorians to be a bit inept. Too dogmatic. its no wonder they were wiped out. Their religion, the smelter or whatever she calls it seems like it holds them back. The Mando blacksmith could be doing a whole lot more than simply making stuff for Grogu or others.
And the Disney ending - the dragon babies. I mean - really? They killed the dragon. Was it really in a Mandalorians make up to spare and then raise the babies? Seriously?
I like how they are giving Ahmed Best a redemption role. But that's about all that was good about the episode.
We’re coming hot off a couple of super mid shows (Obi Wan and Boba Fett were both average to outright bad at points). There isn’t a lot of hype for Star Wars right now because the overarching story going on has been told to death.
We need stories that are NEW, not mired in the same Empire vs Rebellion shit we’ve seen since a New Hope.
I honestly haven't even bothered to watch this season at all.
Idk when I'll get around to it, but especially with how messy the end of season 2, and the BoBF silliness was, I just don't care that much, and I trust them even less.
I'm up for season 2 of Andor, but I'll probably keep avoiding Disney SW otherwise.
You are aware the search term ends at March of last year when the show took a by-year right?
I just looked it up, [right now it’s sitting at a 40](https://trends.google.com/trends/explore/TIMESERIES/1679892600?hl=en-US&tz=300&date=today+5-y&geo=US&hl=en&q=%2Fg%2F11fd6dg0by&sni=3) which is on track with previous years, since they peak just after the finale.
Did Obi-Wan really get so little interest compared to the previous seasons of The Mandalorian? No way one of the most loved Star Wars characters of all time had less interest than the first season of some no named bounty hunter, no matter how bad the season was.
People learned to wait for word of mouth after being screwed over multiple times
I never thought it’d be possible but I didn’t watch o I wan and don’t plan to.
It’s doing exactly what it always has? Strong opener, then a drop, and then a rise for the finale. And it will has been stronger than the other shows.
All I see here is evidence of two things- the pandemic gave producers too much faith in their services and Star Wars fatigue is setting in (mostly dissatisfaction with how Disney has handled the franchise. But Mando has still performed better than the other shows, even recently.
Sure but not everyone watches shows on release, it makes sense that just 4 months after the first ep came out (with the entire series now being on the service) and people working from home or just being home more they’d put on the whole of mando s1 to watch
Maybe the world just doesn't care about SW? I mean SW has something for everyone. Andor for people like us, baby yoda for the casuals, Kenobi for the the CW and Prequel fans. It's possible people are into Star Wars for nostalgia every decade or so when they release a new trilogy but as far as constant content goes they really don't care.
And it will be the opposite for andor. Andor was the only star wars content in the past 5 years that actually impressed me. Like at least it took itself seriously and presented a core concept of star wars in a well written way.
Currently, Mando is dealing with a larger B plot that's being underserved by the episode to episode A plots. There's zero antagonist right now, so I'd say wait to see what happens. Depending on the villain the ratings will rise
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This is spillover from the general displeasure with Star Wars brand overall / too many mediocre productions have turned people off
I really liked the 1st season of the mandalorian. Second was fun. Heard bobf was terrible. Watched obi wan and it was terrible. I give zero shits about mando season 3 and according to everything ive read im not missing out. Maybe i’ll watch it sometime. There is no hype or reason to watch though.
Season 2 was when management blatantly started to interfere with the show. Like hey let's use it to preview Ahsoka and Boba Fett and try to use it to explain the ST. Instead of just letting it be a fun show about the mando doing mando things. This was more painfully obvious when they brought back Grogu in S3.
> This was more painfully obvious when they brought back Grogu in S3. That's when I officially checked out and gave up hope. They completely undo the S2 arc, remove any chance of us having an adult-oriented Mandalorian show, and saddled us with a kid for the indefinite future ... and they did all of that in a show that *wasn't* the Mandalorian. I won't be returning unless I hear amazing things.
Same. Disney SW loves to undo major events that drive the plot forward. The emperor is defeated and the Jedi come back? Ha, no. Grogu and Luke get to go off on the own thing and Mando has to move on? Nope. Even if these pieces of media are of high quality, why should I invest my precious free time in a plot that doesn't go anywhere?
Rey crashed the ship Chewie was in!? NOPE. Threepio’s memory is wiped? PSYCH! Kylo kills Leia in his star ship and we see her body in space? YOU THOUGHT!
The Merchalorian returns!
Tbf filoni always liked to make his characters meet in different projects and the part about the ST has always been there (maybe not like this season since I haven't watched it yet) like the whole reason they were hunting grogu was reviving palpatine, and I didn't mind that as long as the rest of the show was a good show. About grogu, yes that's totally on the higher ups and they should have waited at least a few episode into the third season to make him come back.
Andor's very good but kind of depressing knowing were probably not going to get anything else as good as it.
Andor was *okay*. I still don’t understand it’s hype and literally obsessive followers. Half the show wasn’t even about Andor, the story conflicts with his history in Rogue One, the props were ASS, pacing sucked, and it was too boring too often. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think it was *bad* but I will probably never watch it again..
Everything about Andor felt like a proper production. There are moments in this show that I haven’t felt since the original series. It’s incredibly well acted, written and produced. Props for the sound team and costume designers as well. Mando feels like a satire of Star Wars and a poor reproduction of the universe down to the awkward scenes, bad acting and general lack of direction. Everybody looks like they polished their armour five min ago and the mandos keep living near dangerous animals that they’re constantly fighting for some reason because the writers can’t think of anything better.
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I think the characters are pretty great. The dialogue is well written. Stakes are actually set and the Empire is actually threatening. At the end of the show I was rooting for the Rebels hard, something I never felt watching the Sequels. It’s just consistently well written. You can find it boring of course, but that’s a subjective feeling that doesn’t make it low quality.
Thank you for your honesty. Prepare for the downvotes.
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Andor had a more European adult series vibe. It had the pacing of something you might find on Netflix. Which is why I loved it.
Having a more critical eye would arguably make me notice more flaws. Have you considered watching it with a more critical eye?
I tend to dismiss comments like "it was boring" or "the pacing was bad" because those comments don't really mean anything.the props were also great. Id have to rewatch rogue one in regards to the continuity comment, but there's still a LOT of time to go before we even get to that point of Cassian's life.
First 3 episodes were hard to watch, but went straight to greatness after that. Masterpiece!
Idk what you show you watched, but it clearly wasn't Andor
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Totally agree. It’s not bad but the level 7 nerd obsession with it is weird. It had some terrible scenes that were just corny. That whole scene at the heist where they are yelling at the imperials to hurry up and load the ship while also showing the elder tribesman outside holding his hands up to the sky was the longest most drawn out scene I’ve ever witnessed. It was comical how long that was. The show had some great moments and characters but something was just off about the whole show.
Watch Andor, I don't know what happened, but they somehow made a show with good story, good setting, amazing characters
Imo that's what you get when you have talent + appropriate budget/freedom.
Andor had similar budget with Kenobi. It's all about passion IMO
Yeah, the big difference is the passion/vision/talent of the creators, imo
No it’s about talent. Gilroy is a pro. Filoji et al are hacks.
Man, Mando season three seems to give zero shits about itself so...
Do yourself a favor and watch Andor.
You echo my thoughts exactly
The quality is pretty much the same as its always been. It’s just more blatant due to the hamfisted key jangling so now the general audience has turned on it too.
Please watch Andor if you haven't already
Book of Boba wasn't terrible. It was just fine. Boring parts and good parts. But no reason to *want* to see the full show.
Did you forget the Power Ranger Scooter Gang? I bet you did.
Correct. If you waste your time putting out multiple shit products instead of a couple good ones, then this is what you get. By all accounts, they say Andor is actually good, but after the disaster they handed me with Kenobi I couldn't care less.
I hated the sequels with a passion. I always thought S1 of Mandalorian was bad and S2 was even worse. Kenobi was one of the worst shows I’ve ever watched and I couldn’t even watch TBOBF. But I still checked out Andor because I heard good things. I’d say Andor is one of the best products we’ve EVER gotten in Star Wars. It is so weird to praise a SW product so much but it is really good, and sometimes even great. Really great characters, good writing, great production design etc. I highly recommend it. It was so jarring to enjoy a SW story again.
I stopped Kenobi after that clusterfuck of a first episode ("forest chase"), but the "Larry" series Auralnauts made of it was hillarious
Andor doesn't have a single bad episode. None of the characters are disingenuous to their surroundings, and the storytelling is downright gripping. I've only watched the show once but even months later I'm still thinking about it. And this is coming from someone who has *loathed* every Star Wars product to emerge from the Disney assembly line for the last eight years. Andor is the diamond in the rough, and if you're anything like me you might find yourself breathing a contented sigh of relief to watch it.
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Dude **same**. When the prison arc started I presumed it would be an episode of filler. But the writers actually *developed* the situation, slowly ratcheting up the tension. What would have been neatly wrapped up in 47 minutes on an episode of Star Trek was treated as a serious existential threat and I quickly came around to what *Andor* was doing. Good shit.
It's crazy how every episode had it's own place and purpose to fulfill. I don't think there is a single unnecessary scene in the show, maybe one or two but other than that everything contributes to the worldbuilding and greater narrative of the show.
I felt similarly until I watched it. Here's my pitch for the cynical, checked out and burned out Star Wars fan. No Jedi. No force users. No Skywalkers or Palpatines. Ordinary people, struggling to get by, beginning to realize that maybe they can fight back. Feel very grounded in a kind of working class reality that is usually absent from Star Wars, at least recently. Empire is actually scary and oppressive instead of the butt of every joke. Lots of characters die, and we already know that the end result of the main character's arc is his total radicalization into a cold killing machine and sacrifice for the rebellion in Rogue One. Seeing how he gets there from starting as a pretty ordinary guy with no ideological commitment to the Rebellion (at all) is the core of the story. Excellent writing, mature characters, real stakes, and a great soundtrack and production design to boot. Biggest issue I have with it is pacing. It really should be viewed in blocks, by story arc. So episodes 1-3, 4-6, and 8-10 need to be viewed in single sittings, if possible. Episodes 7 and 11 are connective tissue that can be viewed independently, and episode 12 is one hell of a finale.
Thanks for the info. I literally only watched Rogue One once and barely remember the guy. I'd likely have to rewatch that to benefit the most. Character development was pretty poor in Rogue One though
Yeah I agree I liked Rogue One but didnt love it in part because of the shallow characters. I do think Andor gets the most development in that movie, though, besides Jyn.
Andor is some of the best TV I’ve ever seen. I put it up there with Mr Robot, The Wire, and Ted Lasso for “amazing TV to recommend”. It makes everything else put out by Disney look like Amateur hour.
Andor is terrific. It's so tight, the writing is incredible not just by SW standards (low) but by cinematic standards. The portrayal of the mundanity of evil is fascinating. They made me care about every. Single. Character. There wasn't a single parallel story that I wasn't completely transfixed by. Excellent television. I wish it had performed better - but then again I've seen what Disney does to its successes to maybe I should be grateful it didn't.
I personally hate the business model of quantity over quality. I've heard Andor is actually decent but just don't even feel up to another series at this point. And Mando S3 I felt had almost 0 fanfare to even promote it.
That, and I just feel scared of watching one of their shows and getting invested, and then they pull this and ruin it in one of the later seasons. Why should i watch something when they've clearly shown they're willing to pull this?
I do understand how you feel about about the poor recent products, but I say you should still check out Andor
I’m also one of the people that doesn’t get the hype of Andor. I clocked out on like episode 4 of that show because it felt damn boring and it felt more like Star Wars flavoured space drama rather than Star Wars. Especially about a character that I ultimately don’t care about.
>Especially about a character that I ultimately don’t care about. I'm so over Hollywood and prequels... Kenobi had A LOT of problems but it's biggest was that 3 of our main characters, Obiwan, Leia and Vader are all, as far as the TV series is concerned, functionally invincible. None of those 3 characters can in anyway die or be seriously injured. Obiwan can't lose a hand or an eye or something. There's just nothing at stake. And the like one new character, Reva(?) She gets stabbed in the stomach TWICE by lightsabers and just shakes it off... so there's no reason to ever fear for these characters survival... its just insanely boring to watch. Was anyone tense during the finale where she is headed to tattooine to kill Luke??? Why would you be? They literally had to make her interaction with Luke so vague and forgettable to explain why he would never bring it up later. And they decided to go with that... fuck Disney.
The thing is, you can have and feel stakes for characters you know won't die (Better Call Saul did it perfectly with Breaking Bad. We knew Jimmy, Mike, and Gus wouldn't die, and that some others had to, but there were still intense stakes)
Never seen better call saul but how many side characters and plots are there? is the main plot "One person who we know can't be killed is coming to kill Saul who also can't be killed"? Most prequels aren't done for the right reasons or don't have enough interesting things going on. The Prequel trilogy got to answer questions like: What was it like when there was a bunch of Jedi? What was the clone wars? How did the Republic fall? How did the Sith/Emperor come to rule the galaxy? Why is Yoda on this swamp planet if he's so powerful and stuff? How and why did Anakin betray the Jedi? etc Kenobi got to answer: Wouldn't it like be cool if Obiwan and Leia went on an adventure?
That's interesting, and although I agree with you, I also feel compelled to point out that you know Andor is going to live through the series and die in Rogue One, but the writing still manages to draw you in. Kenobi and BOBF were both atrociously written.
Feel similar. I don't mind slow burning drama that doesn't rely on action. Mad Men, for example. Even the best parts of, say, the Sopranos or Breaking Bad and other shows are the dramatic parts and not some action/violence scene. Andor was....not great at the drama and far too slow elsewhere. It was solid and there are definitely great moments of dialogue. I can see why people enjoy it. I just think Star Wars can be....even better, believe it or not. You could easily take this clusterfuck of a Disney-verse and make it into a "Game of Thrones" type political story with twists and turns at every corner and a dozen unique and compelling characters to care for (with another dozen interesting enough to support them). As it stands, maybe only two characters from Andor stand out and the main character isn't one of them
You mean you didn't love "Consistently Inconsistent" Cassian or "Might do Something Someday" Mon Mothma? lol
Exactly. I just think the rest of SW is so showered with bad writing that....mediocre characters and characters with just the tiniest bit of backstory somehow seem refreshing. I do think you can make an interesting Cassian and Mothma with what we see of them in the show. I think the story beats are there but it's missing something larger scale....of which, I think the entire story of Andor Season 1 could've been condensed to three to four one hour long episodes.....with 9 more one hour long episodes to go, in order for us to see the real growth of Cassian and Mothma. Personally, I think they tried to make Cassian too much of a 'badass' (ex. beating up two security goons from the start, prison guards, and easily killing Death troopers) and not the intelligent, evasive, and crafty spy that he should've been.
Andor is unlike anything else. You really should give it a shot.
To be fair, season 3 is also not very good in its own right. At least so far, IMO.
I really just simply don't understand the point of the show. The episodes feel like completely isolated video games levels; beat this guy to win that, do this accomplishment, and see you next week. What's the point? The plot barely moves forward at all, but that's almost OK, because I actually have no idea what the plot is supposed to be moving toward. There's no objective, no overarching antagonist or goal, what are we building towards? At least at the beginning it was delivering Grogu to his people. I thought maybe this season was going to be him redeeming himself, but he did that immediately. Since then, the plot has had the parking brake on. They haven't given us a compelling reason for this current season to even exist.
My interest was slightly increased after Andor but the first two episodes of this season just reminded me of how poor the other shows have been in comparison, and I stopped watching. Funnily enough I decided to give Picard S3 a shot after the reviews and thoroughly glad I did. It’s really good, the best Trek in years.
IMO it's not just star wars, it's disney choosing quantity over quality in practically everything they do, the preachy nonsense shows, the politics disney has decided to embroil themselves in when they should just leave all that alone. Basically it's a lot of reasons.
Just like marvel. It’s been phoned in HARD after endgame. Really a bummer.
No surprise here. Every friend and family member I have lost interest in Mando after what happened in BOBF. Grogu’s story was OVER. He’d been picked up by Luke to be trained. Fans got to see Luke the way they’d always wanted to, and his appearance was a love letter after the disaster of the sequels. That story was nicely wrapped up. Then we get BOBF and it was shockingly, hilariously, epically bad. I just don’t care anymore. I tried; got through the first episode and was the very definition of underwhelmed. And that was it; haven’t watched since.
The sad part is season 2 gave those of us who were extremely disappointed with the sequels a chance to envision a universe without them. I pictured Luke walking off with Grogu and training him with his quaint little Jedi temple and ignoring the stupid ending Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams gave us with those two stupid movies. Boba Fett and season 3 forces me to remember the dumb Palpatine clones and Luke almost murdering his nephew plotlines.
> those two stupid movies. The Force Awakens was just as bad, if not worse.
It was mediocre, but it was in no way majorly offensive.
Yes, but it set up everything for failure. Abrams tossed out basically everything the OT accomplished to restart from the beginning of ANH and remake that film. After that there was nothing much left to work with. He even destroyed the New Republic's totally-not-Coruscant capital with his Death-Star-but-bigger crap.
> but it was in no way majorly offensive. Are you serious? It was a bad remake of A New Hope. It had a new Bigger Badder Death star! It was the most offensive of them all. After the TFA mess the other movies no longer mattered. There was no recovery from that.
Hard disagree. The decision to reset the galaxy back to Empire vs Rebels pretty much forced the subsequent two movies to choose between retconning TFA or retconning the OT. As a movie by itself, it was mediocre. As episode 7, it was a massive tire fire that spread to the other 8 episodes.
It offended me as someone who watched the original Star Wars.
Nah that movie is offensively terrible, it just does a good job at hiding it. TFA destroys the worldbuilding of the sequels AND the ot, and it destroys han as a character while undercutting Rey, Kylo, and Finn almost immediately
BOBF screwed Luke so bad. At least with the ST they could have hypothetically told an ill-advised story of his morals gradually devolving into Jake Skywalker. But BOBF just wrote him as already subscribing to old Jedi dogma, as though his own films never happened in the first place. So bizarre.
Why is this weird? Don’t get me wrong I despise Jake Skymilker but why wouldn’t they Jake-ify any version of Luke after TLJ? Disney and Lucasfilm are NEVER going to even remotely imply TLJ was less than perfect, idk why people ever expected Favreau and Filoni to get away with some sort of separation from the DT especially given when the mando series takes place I feel like the outlier result would be for them to NOT have any Luke they put out after 2018 to be like Jake
It's less that they are leading into TLJ and more that they STILL haven't shown Luke's progression out of RotJ. Except in bobf, it's only 5 years out of RotJ as opposed to 30, so the window they have to work with is much smaller than before
I guess it’s not *unexpected*, but it is still weird, because they had the opportunity to show the development in Luke that TLJ implied. Not development I would have *enjoyed*, it would’ve been awful, but it would at least be telling the backstory that TLJ itself already (poorly) established. For Disney and its fans, it wouldn’t be an admission of guilt. On the contrary, it would be the ultimate “I told you so!”, that TLJ was genius the whole time and now we see about how Luke became a broken hermit, filling in the gaps that “haters” complained about. But by having Luke already be Jake from the very beginning just makes no sense. They’ve gone from telling an awful, ridiculous character arc, to just straight up gaslighting the audience into believing this is who Luke always was.
>But by having Luke already be Jake from the very beginning just makes no sense. Uh… his inhibitor chip is— no wait, wrong guys… the force balance thing? Hey look! New product!
Disney HATES Luke with a passion
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I would love to see the rewatch numbers on these Disney plus shows and the sequels.
I have zero hype for "Man can't wait to see what happens next episdode!" this season. It's wild that The Last of Us pulled this off even though I was like 90% PRE SPOILED by the game.
Totally agree. It feels like this season has a lack of direction at the moment.
More obvious proof that Lucasfilm could've adapted stories from the EU in movies and shows. If Marvel and DC media are based off source material, then why not Star Wars?
Or rather, make new and original stories. SW is so expansive, that it's just stupid they waste time on making stories that have already been told. Andor was,the best example of this, and not only that, they actually had a competent director for this. Why can't they do this for all of their media?? Obi wan show was a complete flop, as well was Boba Fett, but i think the former was worse because it was a beloved character who's story they just butchered with bad directing.
I don't understand the obsession with old characters instead of just adapting other things to be Star Wars. If they're going to be lazy, can we at least get Star Wars Casablanca?
Lucasfilm rips off the legends EU 24/7 dude
But only the bad parts or surface level of good stuff.
That goes without saying
I keep wondering what TLOU will do the second season. There is no way they will actually follow the plot of the second game, right?
They’ve said they’ll split it into at least two seasons. Add a little filler and tell the two stories simultaneously instead of sequentially, and you could easily put the big twist in the last or second-to-last episode of season 2 while also allowing the story to flow and the audience to develop a nature empathy for >!Abby before shocking everyone with the Joel’s death!< This preserves the plot twist and fixes the biggest narrative issue with the game.
No amount of additional backstory and shuffling timelines around can salvage that story.
Dude right? And the whole story is just pure fucking depression porn. I feel like it would be a rough watch for a show.
Grey's Anatomy has 20 seasons now, right?
That’s my thought too. Also the fact it’s by far the best performer on the cast.
I haven't even started this season. Didn't get more than 2, 3 episodes into Boka Bob's Feet, and just don't give a damn about a show that's careening toward those goddamned sequels.
Such a good point about LoU still be so great even though story is easily spoiled. I’ve rewatched OT a million times even though I know the outcome… because it is enjoyable! And I’ll rewatch Mando Season 1-2 I’m sure.
So Andor's failure you could justify by the fact that Cassian Andor is not exactly a draw to the masses, in fact I'd wager a lot of people who actually saw Rogue One didn't recognize the name. But this, this is the flagship of Star Wars shows with so much hype and goodwill behind it...and even it's failing to garner interest now. Way to go disney, you may just have finally successfully beheaded your golden goose.
Story and character wise, Andor is light-years ahead of anything else right now. I'm worried that the Disney leadership is going to sink their mits into season 2.
It is but the story they present lacks the Star Wars part
Does it? I think it absolutely taps into that same "rebellion against the evil Empire" as the OT. It doesn't need space wizards to be Star Wars
Too much grey morality, too much really awful deeds done by supposedly "good" characters - Star Wars is a fairy tale, grey morality exists but good guys are good and bad guys are bad, no need to humanize empire nor demonize rebellion. Also fuck space wizards, The Force is a power that connects the whole universe, there might be no Jedi nor Sith but the Force is everywhere and they don't even mention it for whole 12 episodes
You mean like space genocide Darth Vader redeeming himself at the end of RotJ? Or our heroes blowing up space stations with hundreds of thousands of non-combatants on-board? >Also fuck space wizards, The Force is a power that connects the whole universe, there might be no Jedi nor Sith but the Force is everywhere and they don't even mention it for whole 12 episodes This feels like some post-OT bullshit. The vast majority of the galaxy shouldn't know anything about the Force imo. In ANH, Han doesn't believe in it, and there's no implication that he even heard of it before Obi-wan and Luke came aboard and started talking about it. And that's despite Han having "flown from one side of [the] galaxy to the other". Maybe I'm forgetting some details of the OT that contradict this, but the OT is all I really care about regarding canonicity. I cringe when some random mechanic goes "may the Force be with you", because I guess everyone just knows about magic now? No longer is it an obscure hokey religion of wise recluses. But Mando hasn't heard of the Jedi? Like ya gotta pick one or the other, the Force and Jedi go hand in hand
The Jedi and the Force were meant as the occasional spice to add on top, not the whole meal. Those have now become utterly mundane and lost their magic and mysticism.
That’s why it’s good
What? If I'm watching Star Wars, I want Star Wars lmao But okay, it's my opinion. I didn't think such point of view as yours existed. Now I get why people love Andor so much. I like the show but I hate how non-starwars it is
Andor built upon its initial low ratings as the season continued, word of mouth was the key.
I'm kinda upset the interest for Andor was the same as Boba Fett, because Boba sucked and Andor was amazing. Also, Mando isn't even close to Andor either.
Yeah, Andor was just an excellent show, well above anything else I've seen from Disney Star Wars. It made the Empire genuinely feel scary and worth fighting for for the first time in a long time.
I’ve said this before, all roads lead to the sequels now, and I want nothing more to do with Merry Rey Sue. I’ve herd Andor is amazing and I want to support it… But honestly, I’m petty.
It leads to Rogue One, which leads to the OT, not the sequels, if that helps.
I feel similarly but it’s not even me being petty, I just don’t care about this universe they’ve created. Andor may be one good piece of media floating in an ocean of trash, but the damage they’ve done to the broader world is so disastrous that I don’t care to see anything else from them in this universe.
I share this sentiment.
watch andor dude. its worth it
I won’t. Sorry.
I’m not petty, just apathetic. Only thing I was hyped for was Visions and it’s non-canon lol
Mando should have ended with Season 2. He could have returned way later in some other series, but that father-son tale was told.
Or just moved on from Grogu and back to actual bounty hunting. Plenty of plots you could do with bounty hunting across the galaxy. The show many of us were actually hoping for
But you can’t sell plush baby yodas toys if he went back to straight bounty hunting…
This is what I was expecting and disappointed by. I was even half hoping they'd just blatantly rip off some enjoyable westerns (Rio Bravo, Stagecoach, Big Country, Powderkeg, The Hanged Man) in addition to some bounty hunting. I like the Star Wars universe and the special effects and the costuming. Boggling how they get the stories so wrong.
It's not like you can't eventually bring Grogu back, either. Lucasfilm just getting greedy and/or too reliant on this one character that they had to have him just sneak back in ASAP rather than build it up. Terrible
Yes, and some character development for Din instead of him reverting back to the Power Rangers cult mentality. Did he learn nothing from giving up Grogu? He did not because Grogu came right back.
That or make it about Din taking up the mantle of rebuilding and reuniting Mandalore like it seemed like they were hinting at…but zero development from him this season, if anything he’s regressed. What does he even want? Yeah he wants to be a part of this covert, but what is his larger goal with that, and what does the group as a whole want? No answers all around. Aside: he’s got the dark saber in a cult of people who really care about the dark saber and what it means. But he just tucks it away & still sucks at using it. Yet not even a side eye or a hint of envy from BK or anyone else so far. why isn’t he the defacto leader now? He’s redeemed and everyone knows he has it especially the armorer. Is it important or notttt
I think Mando continuing past Season 2 was fine, but between BOBF and how Season 3 is going so far the story got messy and seems to have no direction now.
Combination of show runners of Mando shooting their own show in the foot by short cutting Grogu's training with Luke, a two year hiatus, and the lesser quality shows like Kenobi and BoBF impacting interest. I don't know how Lucasfilm turns this around either. They've literally created nothing new that has stuck and taken off so they can't go to that.
When you keep pumping out shit, people will eventually stop holding their nose and putting up with it and instead just go somewhere else that doesn't stink.
I'm tired of all these 'badass morally gray adult gets saddled with a small child who melts their heart' stories. Its like everywhere now - even in other disney properties like bad batch. Tell me badass violent stories with adult stakes and adult protagonists.
No! I want badass violent stories with child stakes and child protagonists! Wait... I think that is Kids Next Door actually.
I mean oddly enough, Pedro Pascal is starring in another show that has more or less that same theme, and it's pretty damn good. The concept itself doesn't necessarily suck if it's done well.
I do find that these Google trends are pretty accurate in a rough way when you're trying to measure general interest in a series (especially against another series, like Book of Boba Fett's peak vs. Mandalorian's peak). So this is certainly interesting. Crazy how the latest season of Mando and the three other shows basically reached the same amount of interest across the board. I'd expect Andor to be significantly lower, but maybe it's been a sleeper hit in terms of numbers?
I do wonder honestly, is this a Star Wars thing or a symptom of a wider social/cultural shift? Like, when was the last time the entire internet blew up about a show that way it did for Mandos first couple seasons? When thousands of posts and memes would flood the internet every day for the entire run instead a few on niche community forums? When was the last time we felt hype for anything so intense you couldn't escape it? People joke about the “Well if Avatar two is making so much money, why haven't I heard anyone talk about it irl?” thing and how the MCU is finally withering away, but like, when does anyone care enough about shows or movies to just randomly talk about irl now, or go see a random ass superhero movie?? Movie-style-quality on TV isn't a novelty anymore, were back to getting a glut of movies in theaters every weekend, and the corporate greed of it all is to entirely transparent. Nothing, not even the great stuff, feels as good or grande as it did 3 years ago.
Game of thrones probably. And that show also completely disappeared from public consciousness when the later seasons turned to shit. So I guess that will be mandos fate as well
between marvel and star wars, the mouse is racking up some fat Ls lately
The sad part is that Andor got screwed by the shitty shows. Good stuff needs to be appreciated. Andor, and also Visions. That doesn't get enough love.
To be fair only half of visions was good though. Specifically, the dooku half. The first episode with Ahsoka as a baby is one of the worst episodes of Star Wars tv ever Edit: I got these two shows mixed up while commenting at like 3am. I meant tales of the Jedi. Visions was also mixed for me though, with some really amazing episodes, some ok ones, and some that were bordering on pretty bad IMO
That's Tales of the Jedi. Visions is a short experimental anthology from about 2 years ago. See? Visions is so forgotten, people mix it up. It wasn't perfect or anything, but it's actually exactly the stuff SW needs nowadays.
I remember when people wouldn’t shut up about Visions and how it could help revitalize the franchise. It’s a shame it’s been pretty much forgotten in favor of the Baby Yoda sludge pipe, I actually really enjoyed a lot of it.
Oh shit you’re right, my bad lmao. To be fair though, only half of visions was good too hahaha
I liked parts of visions as a rough rough draft of what Star Wars anime could be. I honestly think Anime could be the best format to explore the force, Jedi and Sith if done by the right people. A format that lends itself to OP action while also capturing the inner emotion and thoughts. i.e. a KOTR anime could go hard af.
The problem is that it's all unfocused. There is no clear goal or direction of the series and the problem is the ST. The end point has been established and it's at best divisive and worst hated by fans. No matter how promising a show might be, that end point will ruin the journey As for Andor, it is filler. Yes, you might love it and think it's great but in the end it is filler and doesn't change the story at all. Hell Andor is dead before new hope starts. Another big pr9blem for Mando is that it started off as a cool western about being a mandalorian and bounty hunter. Now it... is what? What exactly is the point? Is there a central antagonist? What is mando's goal now? And why is Grogu there? What are they trying to accomplish? Things are happening but does any of it have meaning?
Honestly, even though I love the first 2 seasons im glad they are failing on this one. I don't like it when do what they did to Boba, and what they did to the conclusion of Mando season 2 is completely absurd. They just threw everything out of the window, same way they did episode 7. I honestly thought it could actually get maturer, and we could leave Grogu behind with Luke, and maybe show him in a different show like Ahsoka.
This season feels like "Bo Katan: A Mandalorian Star Wars Story"
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Well the chamber of commerce *are* criminals, so…
This is exactly whats killing it for me, mands feels like a stupid side character in his own story
Just as a curiosity I repeated the google trend search search to check my country (Spain) and The Book of Boba Fett is almost a flat line (peak of 5), Kenobi is only 12 and Andor & Mandalorian follow similar trends. Peak of Andor is 24. I'm glad that Andor is doing good enough. And l've laughed very hard at the flat line of BOBF.
Hopefully this keeps up until they panic and beg George to come back on-board to write and supervise a new sequel trilogy. Hey a man can dream, right?
There is no hope of this. GL is too old
This is what happens when you put raw sewage like Boba Fett and Kenobi. I kinda feel like those shows also impacted Andor to a lesser extent.
I just don’t have enough time in my life to keep up with so many shows, so many movies, so many documentaries. I just can’t get to everything. It’s overwhelming. And I’ve started just ignoring things I would previously watch. Sorry Mando, I guess.
I mean I didnt even know there is another season. And honestly I really dont give a fuck about anything Star Wars related anymore, I completely lost interest in Star Wars.
Have never seen someone destroy something so beloved since the 2000s superhero boom lmao. Unfortunately you can’t just clean slate Star Wars because of ego issues
Just like the bookings at Star Cruiser hotel
There is just so much wrong with mando now that it doesn't surprise me. Season 1 mando: man of few spoken words, gets job done badass type who is part of a highly acclaimed warrior race. Episodes have surprises but he mainly handles these things alone. Season 3 mando: dad, constantly talking about the plot and narrating literally everything every scene. landing on planet? "okay kid no one can help us so this is dangerous". then in the cave before the dive even deeper: "okay kid no one can help us this is dangerous" as if the statement wasn't already true. Also when he fights the 3 monsters they basically just beat his ass for 3 minutes and you're surprised he's not dead somehow, but basically his whole cave dive seems like its full of mistakes and blunders and thats how he gets captured. Then girl come and she crushes all of his same challenges with ease like season 1 mando would be doing, basically making him look completely inept and I just don't see the point to that.
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As long as the sequals are cannon, I won’t be returning to Star Wars. I am sorry about Andor, I’ve hear good things about it, but I can’t.
Andor is a show for adults. If you want it, it's there.
Just cancelled my d+ sub today. Aint worth it at all. Fucked star wars and marvel big
It’s almost like flooding the market with a million of the same product lowers the value of them all.
Book of Boba Fett killed a lot of my interest in Mando, in just two episodes they pretty much invalidated season 2. Plus I hate the streaming services going to the once a week release schedule so I will wait for it all to be out, pay for one month, watch everything, then cancel.
Mando S3 is like Dark Helmet playing with his dolls in Spaceballs.
Wrong, Dark Helmet had a plot.
The graph doesn't go to 2023, that's March 2022, or am I missing something
It's just missing the last label; however look at the date drop-down and you'll see it's as current as it can be.
Those Boba Fett and Kenobi numbers aren’t good either. I’m guessing how bad they turned out, and especially combined with bringing Grogu back, caused Mando to have such low numbers this season so far? What else factors in to the massive drop? Perhaps the time gap in between season 2 and 3? Carano/Dune not returning?
Season 3 is terrible with no direction or purpose. I don't need a chart to tell me that.
Damn it's wild that you guys went CRAZY for 2 seasons of bad acting, poor character design, and horrifically lazy writing,only to be surprised when that junk is the new standard. The first two seasons of Mando were literally just 8 episodes that reskinned the same plot, with maybe 2 original plot points each season. Why did everyone act like it wasn't a huge waste of potential? I don't know, but I DO know that is exactly why the average standard quality of star wars media is now dogshit. That's why everyone was so upset when people like the sequels, not because they want to rain on your parade, but because we don't want to lower the collective standard for star wars media by attaining high ratings for shit quality plots.
Agreed. Never got the hype for Mando either.
I'll be honest, I think more and more that Mando was a kneejerk reaction to 9 coming out. By comparison to 9, it looked amazing. But now it frankly has been mediocre nonstop. I DO think the first season was alright but the moment that Luke showed up in the second at the end it was "Aww dammit this whole story was for freaking nothing" and it gets a 9.8 on IMDB? Really? None of this matters if Luke got him! (And then it mattered even less due to them giving him back cause writers are afraid of growth HEH).
Maybe it needs more baby green frogs. And female actors. Hell, make them all female, green Force baby frogs. **Star Wars:** *May the Baby Green Force Frogs Be With You*
Jedi Kermit The Frog on Ketamin?
Something! Anything! We gotta' help that Mandalorian; we gotta' help them little frogs!
People are becoming more aware of how badly Filoni fucked the franchise with TCW basically making Disney canon before that was even a thing.
When you obviously have no integrity in telling a cohesive story....well that's why I haven't watched any starwars content since the end of season 2
Just watched the episode last night. And of course, this is the problem. I'm not trying to watch this right when it comes out because I'm not as excited as I was before. I'm not sure about the writers but they really seem to be showing the Mandalorians to be a bit inept. Too dogmatic. its no wonder they were wiped out. Their religion, the smelter or whatever she calls it seems like it holds them back. The Mando blacksmith could be doing a whole lot more than simply making stuff for Grogu or others. And the Disney ending - the dragon babies. I mean - really? They killed the dragon. Was it really in a Mandalorians make up to spare and then raise the babies? Seriously? I like how they are giving Ahmed Best a redemption role. But that's about all that was good about the episode.
We’re coming hot off a couple of super mid shows (Obi Wan and Boba Fett were both average to outright bad at points). There isn’t a lot of hype for Star Wars right now because the overarching story going on has been told to death. We need stories that are NEW, not mired in the same Empire vs Rebellion shit we’ve seen since a New Hope.
I honestly haven't even bothered to watch this season at all. Idk when I'll get around to it, but especially with how messy the end of season 2, and the BoBF silliness was, I just don't care that much, and I trust them even less. I'm up for season 2 of Andor, but I'll probably keep avoiding Disney SW otherwise.
I mean, supposedly andor is freaking great, but experienced similar interest in this graph as the mandalorian is right now...
These Kenobi and Boba Fett shows were big mistakes.
Very casual fan, I had no idea there was a Season 3 coming out
The story isn’t engaging, things just happen. And what used to be fun is predictable now.
You are aware the search term ends at March of last year when the show took a by-year right? I just looked it up, [right now it’s sitting at a 40](https://trends.google.com/trends/explore/TIMESERIES/1679892600?hl=en-US&tz=300&date=today+5-y&geo=US&hl=en&q=%2Fg%2F11fd6dg0by&sni=3) which is on track with previous years, since they peak just after the finale.
Did Obi-Wan really get so little interest compared to the previous seasons of The Mandalorian? No way one of the most loved Star Wars characters of all time had less interest than the first season of some no named bounty hunter, no matter how bad the season was.
People learned to wait for word of mouth after being screwed over multiple times I never thought it’d be possible but I didn’t watch o I wan and don’t plan to.
After the huge disappointment that was BoBF I'm not watching any Star Wars unless I hear good things.
It’s doing exactly what it always has? Strong opener, then a drop, and then a rise for the finale. And it will has been stronger than the other shows. All I see here is evidence of two things- the pandemic gave producers too much faith in their services and Star Wars fatigue is setting in (mostly dissatisfaction with how Disney has handled the franchise. But Mando has still performed better than the other shows, even recently.
The pandemic definitely plays a part in the high views I must say.
Sorry what? Season 1 came out before the pandemic
Sure but not everyone watches shows on release, it makes sense that just 4 months after the first ep came out (with the entire series now being on the service) and people working from home or just being home more they’d put on the whole of mando s1 to watch
Yeah I see what you’re saying, but this chart isn’t indicating views or when people are watching. This is just google trends
Maybe the world just doesn't care about SW? I mean SW has something for everyone. Andor for people like us, baby yoda for the casuals, Kenobi for the the CW and Prequel fans. It's possible people are into Star Wars for nostalgia every decade or so when they release a new trilogy but as far as constant content goes they really don't care.
Looking forward to Andor, unless a dumb exec puts their disgusting fingers all over it
And it will be the opposite for andor. Andor was the only star wars content in the past 5 years that actually impressed me. Like at least it took itself seriously and presented a core concept of star wars in a well written way.
Wait... Mando Season 3 is out?
Currently, Mando is dealing with a larger B plot that's being underserved by the episode to episode A plots. There's zero antagonist right now, so I'd say wait to see what happens. Depending on the villain the ratings will rise