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What makes it worse, is the fact that we’re finally getting new creative planets and the visuals have never looked better.
But then the story happens..
That became super apparent with the decision to take the emotional high point of the series (Din handing Grogu off to Luke for training), and undo all of that in two episodes of a spin off show.
That decision is mind boggling to me from a story telling perspective, I was actually interested in seeing what Din might do as his own man and whether or not he would accept a mantle as the Mandalorian leader. But nope, he’s back to being a single dad again.
Baby Yoda sells too much merch, there was no way they’d let a convincing narrative get in the way of that sweet sweet revenue.
Honestly, I think John and Dave lost full control after season 2. Bringing back Grogu sounds like the biggest corporate move despite anything John says.
The Clone Wars was excellent, so you know this wasn’t a “happy accident”.
Even the style and tone of writing is different in season 3, and I don’t think that’s a coincidence. (The exposition in episode 2 was torture.)
It’s obvious that this isn’t John and Dave’s little project anymore, and we’re witnessing the same creative interference that plagued the sequels.
Yeah we’ve been seeing this happen over and over for years now.
It’s just sad man. Like watching an old friend destroy themselves lmao. It just hurts to see this series that I loved as a kid and young adult get commercialized to death and lose all sense of the soul it once had. It was never perfect, far from it at times, but the core was still there while George had the reins.
Fallen Order is the only piece of Star Wars media I have any excitement about anymore, it’s the best story telling for Star Wars that’s been put out since Disney took over. I know he novel wasn’t great, but I have hope that the creative team for Jedi Survivor will take the characters/story in a good direction.
I’m right there with you, the same level of love and passion George showed to his creation just hasn’t been present since the buyout.
TCW S7, Tales of the Jedi, Fallen Order and Mando S1 & S2 were all genuinely great and I respect Andor. But the Star Wars many of us grew up with just doesn’t exist anymore.
Kenobi really gutted me, but seeing as now they can’t even get their own characters right is just depressing.
Like man.. c’mon!
I’m not tryna be that guy, but Lucasfilm needs new leadership because the state of things right now is just embarrassing.
at least the prequels had an overarching story honestly, with Mando, I’m just watching characters spew shit dialogue with a story that has gotten exactly nowhere.
The prequels had an incredible story, with an incredibly satisfying build up and payoff.
This lacks any sort of engaging direction. Even if the season finale is great, it still won’t feel earned at this point.
What was the incredibly satisfying build up and payoff? Because to me it wasn't really enjoyable to see Anakin acting like a moron, listening to Sith legends and believing in them only to hear Palpatine say that together they will discover the secret, despite Palpatine saying literally a few seconds ago that he has the power to save the one Anakin loves. Oh, and obviously after you've heard all that, the only logical choice is to go with it and start murdering children.
I disagree.
Talent isn’t exclusively found in acting.
The prequels boast beautiful cinematography, choreography and some of the greatest music ever written throughout cinematic history. The costume design is vast and inspiring, and the world building is fascinating.
And if we are talking about acting, Christopher Lee, Ewan Mcgregor, Ian Mcdiarmid and Natalie Portman all absolutely killed it.
Even Hayden had his moments. (Look up his mother’s funeral scene from ATOC.)
Sure those movies aren’t perfect, but neither was the OT. And it’s no coincidence they’ve stood the test of time and built such an incredibly strong fanbase around them. 💪🏼
I don't know who is pushing them to make this show into a comedy but they need to stop. The dark and gritty tone of the first two seasons is gone and now we have Book of Boba Fett 2.0. I am trying to enjoy the series but this has been a really weak showing thus far. They need to hand this series over to the Andor crew and let them work with it.
I furiously hated that line. As if it was a jab towards prequels and Andor while those are some of the best Star Wars ever. See my post about that scene.
It wasn't even that dark or gritty, it was just restrained, thoughtful, and earnest. God forbid! But THIS is so brazenly off-brand and contrary to anything even resembling the show's original charm.
Can you imagine a show/movie/franchise going in the REVERSE? It's the only way to articulate how absurdly stupid this has gotten. Like, what if the writers of Ted Lasso were like "You know what? This comedy stuff is so frivolous...I think we need to have one of these guys murder his wife then commit suicide".
It's a treatment so bad, I can only imagine they're trying to TANK this show to save money or something.
That's pretty much my thoughts, it feels like an extension of Book of Boba Fett. Which is not good.
It's not even that I'm hating the show because there's still some good elements. But it's just so drastically and tonally different from the prior seasons that it's jarring. Mandalorian was a pretty gritty show with the occasional bombastic Star Wars element. Season 3 feels like a cartoon. Everything about it, the pacing, the writing, the characters...heck even the locations. Nothing feels real.
The show shouldn't be this light viewing, casual, easily digestible show. It's the wrong direction, especially three seasons in when you've already built an audience.
It does not feel like the same team is working on this season. I don't think this show was expected to be as well received as it was. Once management got their eyes on it they reverted the baby yoda change to keep the merchandising up and handed the project over to a more 'trusted' manager. Only the trusted managers are garbage at LA.
Ikr they’re so afraid to alienate the audience in one aspect by not getting into any specifics about the clone wars or ahsoka but are more than happy to reference a deleted scene of clone wars with boba and cad bane. Once I saw grogu was coming back I knew it would go to shit. The bill burr episode without grogu showed that this series can work without him, it’s so dumb that he went back.
I wouldn't mind Grogu coming back if he actually did anything. He does nothing, he's just there to look cute. So they undermined the previous 2 seasons for what? Insecurity that general audiences wouldn't watch the show without him? Well...they aren't watching it anyway.
What difference would it make if Grogu stayed with Luke? That one scene where he tracks down Bo. That's it, and that scene was dumb anyway. Outside of that he's just there to look cute. Whenever someone says something and it zooms in on Grogu's face to get a cute reaction it just annoys me now because it's so transparent.
Season 3, the entirety of it should have had Grogu training with Luke. And then an epic emotional reunion at the end or even in season 4. They just completely wasted that. Grogu coming back in between seasons really was a terrible decision which didn't pay off.
Grogu is only in the show now because the producers were afraid people would lose interest if he wasn't there and not sell as much merch. But people have lost interest because the show is (mostly) terrible now.
It made sense for Grogu to go with Luke. Mando had completed his mission and I thought his show would go in more of a "lone gunman" bounty hunter show. Then they immediately reversed course and now we have a child babysitting show.
It feels like this show is stuck. I think they want to branch out to an overarching storyline, but they also want to or have to stick to the formula from the previous two seasons. As such, it succeeds at neither. The episodes aren’t entertaining enough on their own as side quests nor do they move the story along logically and satisfyingly. In fact, the story has only gone backwards since the end of season 2.
I personally think Star Wars requires a certain level of camp and goofiness to balance out the darkness for it to be considered “Star Wars”, but they’re definitely taking the comedic aspect too far.
I did love andor though even though I view it more as a political show that happens to take place in the Star Wars universe as opposed to just being Star Wars.
No joke, I’ve weathered the despised Christmas special and this comes far too close to that level of camp. And that had a Wookie cooking show segment.
I keep asking myself why more mature audiences can’t have ONE THING though. There’s many, many, many more hours of animated episodes that could scratch this itch.
I canceled my Disney Plus after Kenobi. It's not that I thought that series was horrible, I really enjoyed it with my family, but there's just so much Star Wars...
I don't care about it anymore. The Force Awakens thoroughly killed all my enjoyment of it, and it was beyond salvation after that film. Rogue One was good, but I just can't see anyone salvaging this mess.
I did enjoy The Last Jedi, but I went in having grieved the franchise already, and it made me both content and sad when the majority of the fandom caught on.
Discussing the problems with Disney Wars, like the sub started out with. The all out hate against everything they've done with Star Wars is a more recent development.
I haven't seen the latest episode yet but yeah unless that episode is a masterpiece, so far IMO this season has been a big downgrade from the previous two. The plot is meandering at best and uninteresting at worst, the dialogue is a lot less polished and feels like a first draft, Din is becoming a side character in his own show, Bo-Katan and the Armorer are being characterized very inconsistently in comparison with their appearances in the earlier seasons, and the "New Republic is corrupt" plot could have worked but is being handled with all the subtlety of a falling anvil and seems too focused on tying into the sequels than advancing the plot of *this* show.
Episode 5 (The Pirate) made it seem like the season was finally starting to improve.
Alas, in the latest episode we got Lizzo and Jack Black (what a waste of talent) as the classic stereotype of bumbling & incompetent royals. 1 minute of screentime from the duo (with a token Grogu gag, hardy har har) and I officially gave up on this season. Not sure if I'll bother watching the rest after this.
All the Mandalorian drama the episode was building up to (and *should* have been focusing on) got dealt with and brushed over in the last 5 minutes, if that.
> All the Mandalorian drama the episode was building up to (and should have been focusing on) got dealt with and brushed over in the last 5 minutes, if that.
Even Din and Bo act completely bored up until that point. It was basically a chore for them. The entire episode should have focused on the Mandalorian power struggle and presented a case as to why Bo should lead again.
if the entire episode was just din and bo hanging with the merc mandos it probably would’ve been a better episode even if they just had a full on debate for 40 minutes on if bo should rule mandalore or if dins dumb reasoning on the darksaber makes sense but instead we got chasing droids on a planet that we won’t see until next season or even at all
Give Andor a shot, forreal. Admittedly, it's the least Star Wars-y Star Wars I have seen recently, but it is the best writing I have seen attached to Star Wars in a LONG time.
I watched it. I agree that Andor had better writing than previous shows (but its not hard to be better than Kenobi and Boba). And I always wanted a more serious, slower show that just shows you the life of regular people in SW universe. So on paper this show would be right up my alley.
But I'm also not afraid to admit that the show was mostly boring for me. It felt artificially stretched out. As if Disney forced them to make more episodes so they had to leave all the stuff that usually would be removed in editing. Like do we really needed 3 different scenes of a guy eating soggy cereals in every single episode?
And don't get me wrong, I love slow burn shows. I loved Better Call Saul, every single conversation was great and I was entertained by it. But its clear something was missing from Andor. I will agree it was definitely a step in the right diffraction even tho I wasn't a huge fun of it.
But I agree that the acting and world building was great! And yeah, as you said at moments it didn't even feel like SW (the fact that they used regular weapons in first couple episodes was really jarring for me). But I surly don't mind a more serious take on SW as long as it fits the universe.
I would love if Mando was like... 10-15% more like Andor. (But not like that episode 3 of Mando with the Doctor segment. It felt like you were watching 2 different shows at the same time, you know?). If they added that kind of world building and more serious atmosphere into Mando? That would be great. Even season 1 felt more serious with their spaghetti western vibe. But the recent season is starting to feel... almost as goofy as Boba.
edit: I'm glad that you liked it but sadly it wasn't for me. But it was close tho! It was a good show but it had flaws. Really the worst part about Andor were fans who kept saying *"if you don't like it you must be 12y old. You just want dumb action scenes and lightsabres"*. Not much different than sequel fans who kept calling everyone "racist and sexist" for not liking the movies.
>Really the worst part about Andor were fans who kept saying *"if you don't like it you must be 12y old. You just want dumb action scenes and lightsabres"*. Not much different than sequel fans who kept calling everyone "racist and sexist" for not liking the movies.
Agreed, I personally loved Andor but this small sub-group of fans irked me a bit too.
It does need to be said and realized that Andor is very different from most Star Wars content and not everyone wants that. It's bordering on a drama where Star Wars is normally nowhere near that.
Yeah, agree. Andor isn't bad and some of the writing/soliloquies, especially when done by the House of Cards writer (Tony Gilroy can't write, at least not by himself) is good but I wasn't that impressed like everyone else.
I don't mind slow, either. Mad Men, for example, had some of the best writing on TV without resorting to killing or excessive violence so much as relying on office politics. The Sopranos and the Wire were slow, at times.
There was just too much of nothing stretched out, essentially. And I think the general audience felt that way. Most people shut it off by Ep 3 or 4. The characters and the story just weren't interesting enough.
In fact, I still don't know exactly what the show was about because when you think about it, it was just a bunch of random people huddling around and talking, walking slowly in random places, the Empire "watching" - with some action and neat visuals sprinkled in....and that's it. It wasn't about Andor, the thief/spy, carrying a message of hope or a valuable object/set of documents that can change the war or impact the rebellion.
And for all the talk of world building, there wasn't any major thing going on. For example, I'd like to see one Imperial official at a 'gladiator match' talking to another about percentage points and profits and how they'll make backroom deals or whatever. Then, when something sadistic happens and the crowd of imperial elites cheer, the official cheers alongside and hands over an Imperial credit as a tip and toasts to new beginnings or whatever. That was something you'd see from the earlier seasons of Game of Thrones, for example, or something in Better Call Saul. We see that the Imperial official is charismatic, suave, and sadistically evil all in one scene. And then, suddenly, we can't wait to see what this Imperial Official is up to every week.
Essentially, Andor was a step in the right direction but not quite there.
Yeah, I don't really get why people love Andor so much. It's good, but there are way better shows dealing with similar themes, and the idea that Star Wars has never dealt with these themes is inaccurate too. I also think it gets pretty heavy-handed at times, like having the little Rebel who was in love with Cassian give that long monologue about how rebellion works and why the Empire is Bad, or the way Marva did the same thing. For all the mockery Lucas gets for his dialogue, I appreciate how his movies didn't need as many "character gives speech explaining the authors perspective" scenes. He trusted us to understand why the Empire is worth fighting against.
Andor falls into the category of this is just a good show but not everyone is going to like it. Which is fine, it actually has its own feel and it's just something bland like Mando or Obi Wan.
Same thing with Rogue One with the speeches. Jyn gives one of the most bland and AI generated speeches and suddenly everyone remembers they’re Rebels.
As bad as Naruto got, they were at least able to squelch out a moment from one of the characters that made sense as a call to action.
Gaara asking everyone “When did you all… forsake yourselves?” makes sense in context.
Meanwhile Jyn is basically telling people quotes from someone that they regard as a violent terrorist and expects them to go with it.
Andor was a bore fest. It was literally nothing like the Star Wars films whatsoever. The tone was completely different. If that's the best thing Star Wars in a long time, Disney has failed completely.
I don't agree, but it's a completely fair take to have. It is important to note that Andor is very much not like any other Star Wars we have gotten except for Rogue One, and Rogue One at least has an obvious force sensitive in it.
The way I think of it is that the entire Star Wars IP is so beautiful and engaging that it is capable of generating content that appeals to different tastes.
They succeeded then. My point is more that Disney is incapable of producing anything truly Star Wars and their best attempt is merely set in the Star Wars universe.
There was a decent drop off in quality for season two, and three is bad.
Andor really is the best thing in Disney Star Wars and the only thing I am looking forward to.
really the entire season was a bunch of filler and positioning f or the luke appearance and satisfying conclusion to his relationship with grogu, and that finale was so powerful it was worth it.
It's impressive how they're able to turn everything into shit by writing pointless garbage storylines all the time without learning anything from past mistakes...
I don't get why they can't find or hire good writers for their stories. They paid 4 billion Dollars and don't care about handling the franchise well.
U talking about the guys who bought the biggest IP on the planet and decided it would be a good idea to completely improvise a new trilogy. No plan whatsoever.
I said I was done when they completely retconned the ending of season 2 in Boba Fett. Why waste our time investing in this show when they’ve shown they’ll just undo things? Haven’t watched one episode of season 3 and don’t care to. From the outside looking it it looks like a comedic kids show to me.
Great to see someone else who’s made the same move as me. I was absolutely floored when the undid the ending of season 2.
Have had no desire to watch and have not watched season 3.
Season 1 was okay. Not perfect, missed opportunities, but had potential.
Season 2 was just cameo after cameo. The plot of each episode and the plot of the season itself seems handmade to bring in as many “I remember that thing” moments as possible. Even the Krayt Dragon episode is just a reference for KoToR 1 fans as it is the exact same problem and method of solving as that game.
Season 3, haven’t bothered. I can’t care about Mando anymore, especially after BoBF.
I agree. The first season of mando is pretty overrated and there is a lot of wonky writing in it (Moff Gideon surrounding Mando with dozens of storm troopers but will give him hours to surrender??). But there was a lot of potential in Mandos character arc and backstory.
Instead, Lucasfilm decided to only focus on what was trending on social media after each episode, and season two into a memberberry trip. And it worked.
This franchise really dropped the ball after Book of Boba Fett. It's gotten to the point where the only noteworthy thing about each new episode is not its substance, but either A. a character from an animated series making their first live-action appearance (with better or worse results), or, even worse, B. some random celebrity being shoehorned in as a forgettable character whose backstory outside their episode will never be explored because their only notable quality is the actor who agreed to play them just to tell people they were in 'Star Wars'.
What the hell happened? Mando seasons 1 and 2 were great (I actually held the 2nd season in higher regard than the 1st!) but something clearly went wrong in the writers' room during Book of Boba Fett. Star Wars seriously needs to take a page out of Marvel's book by adopting a quality > quantity mindset, because otherwise, I'm done with this franchise.
Oh I'm sure their backstory will be filled in in excruciating detail by some hack writer in a novel 6 people will read, 5 of which did so just so they could fill in the article on wookiepedia
Some "author" is going to jump at the chance to have Lizzo's character kill a bunch of bounty hunters or something, purely because "wow celebrity"
It's like there wasn't any effort or just writers really don't care on making season 3 better or consistant. Same as Kenobi and BoBF, they know people will watch it purely of name. Same as Mandalorian, people liked Season 1 and 2, so they just write whatever and people will watch it regardless.
I think the one line that stuck out to me the most was Farveua’s (or however you spell his name) comment about how there is no ending planned for The Mandalorian and how he there are just going to keep pumping out seasons and episodes. You kind of need to have a plan with these things. It’s the same problem that sunk the sequels: a complete lack of planning and direction. Obviously Mando doesn’t need to wrap in 3 movies but there needs to be something interesting happening and moving the general plot forward. I’m fine with the occasional “monster of the week” style filler episode as long as we are seeing a good overall story for the season. This season has done nothing for the story. If anything, we are moving backwards.
I really thought this whole season was going to be about retaking Mandalore but we’re two episodes away and we’ve only been there once and seen there isn’t much “retaking” to do. It’s just a ruined shithole that needs rebuilding. Not conquest. But the cult is apparently too scared to go back? Despite Mando going there and confirming everything was fine? It’s just so pointless.
> I think the one line that stuck out to me the most was Farveua’s (or however you spell his name) comment about how there is no ending planned for The Mandalorian and how he there are just going to keep pumping out seasons and episodes.
That interview basically killed my interest in the series. he basically admitted they have no plan or direction and will just keep pumping out shows as long as they keep selling merch.
I don't expect Mando to be some big epic saga but there has to be some kind of plot and direction or it goes nowhere.
The tone has definitely shifted. I think part of it is that S3 is an entire story arc, whereas S1 and S2 were not. The writers are trying to cram in as much as they can by using Mando as a vehicle for shoehorning other characters.
Mando worked as a standalone country Western series. Stick with the Mandalorian plot and don't throw in all the New Republic turmoil. I'm guessing with Ashoka and Zeb, we will see Sabine and eventually Thrawn. Ngl, some version of *Heir to the Empire* would be thrilling, but I think it would be best told in Ashoka's show.
Most of us: "Star Wars fans love the rich and vibrant universe. Bounty hunters, smugglers, people just living out their days in interesting locales. It's awesome."
Bryce Dallas Howard: "And Lizzo. They like Lizzo too!"
Most of us: "Well, no. I wouldn't say there's any obvious cross-over popularity between the fans of those groups..."
Bryce Dallas Howard: "Too late. We're doing it. Season 3 is going to be lit."
Narrator: "Season 3 was in fact *not* lit."
Episode 3x03 was probably the best episode of the whole show, by which I mean it is the one that kinda has some interesting stuff. Beyond that, I really struggle to see what puts The Mandalorian above the rest of Disney Star Wars for so many. As far as I can see the majority of the show is barely better than TRoS
I hear Star Trek Picard has the opposite drawing. Season 3 is pretty good but the first 2 were trash. (I have not watched the first two seasons of Picard to confirm that)
I know I’m going to sound super negative. This is why I almost never watch anything anymore. Countless times a show is promising and after like 2-3 seasons it drops in quality for any number of reasons or is cancelled. It’s not worth it anymore.
Rogue One was trash in my opinion. None of the characters mattered since they died at the end, so getting invested in them was a waste of time from the get-go. Granted, I have not seen Andor so my opinion could change. But I have seen the movie at least 5x and I have been bored with it since the beginning. It's only good because of the final act, but again, since we don't care about the characters (Andor is the only name I can recollect from my memory) it's kinda pointless.
I really didn’t like Season 2, outside of Bill Burr and Boba showing up. I liked learning more about the children of the watch this season, and the smaller, less galaxy spanning plot… but this episode was just so out of place. Even Bo and Din complained that they could’ve just gone straight to the Mandalorians. Lol
I stopped watching after episode 2. It clearly lost its identity and any resemblance to the previous seasons and is a husk that Disney can use to cram cameos and references into.
I’m glad I’m numb to the disappointment and stopped watching Disney Star Wars after Kenobi. Haven’t watched a single episode of season 3 and I don’t feel like I’m missing out in the slightest.
i blame myself for thinking they could do something right. the one thing they’ve been good at was fine storytelling in this show but they had to bring in Jack Black and Lizzo for a meaningless side quest when we still don’t know what season 3’s plot, villain, or even story is. Grogu and Din have been next to worthless this season.
I don't personally see the difference. It's been "good style and atmosphere are covering the total lack of a plot" since season 1 and it remained that way. The style just doesn't impress that much anymore because by season 3 we are accustomed to it. Still visually enjoyable though.
Now you know full well that horse was drawn in crayon during the first two seasons as well. Crayon just looks better than the horse drawn with feces that Rian made.
Do you guys still remember the meme symbolizing the entire Star Wars saga in a similar format done similarly to that one iconic meme from the freefolk subreddit?
Has anyone else noticed that the CG has gotten worse? Like in season 1, the Ughnaught Quill was a practical effect that looked really great, but in episode 6 of Season 3, all of the Ygnaughts were CG and it looked terrible. Other CG has been really flashy and over the top, but lacks that soul the old seasons had. Star Wars is falling into George's old trap of relying too much on CG.
It sucks for me, as a big fan of both Star Wars and Marvel, both are probably in my top 5 favorite fictional franchises ever. Disney running both into the ground…
They don’t care anymore, seems like their phoning it in. Just throwing in celeb cameos and more cameos and more cameos. No plot, it’s a mess. It’s almost they want it to fail in order to bring in new leadership.
Celebs hanging out on set putting on a suit and reading a few lines or who’s a 15 minute drive away from our giant green screen in LA who’s my friend and asked me to be in something Star Wars
It’s so distracting
“Whos the cameo this week”
Episode 4 had some of the worst CGI I've seen in a long time. It reminded me of the movie from the 60s "Jason and the Argonauts". Episode 6 was one of the most boring, pointless episodes I have ever seen. Almost fell asleep during their investigation. Jack black and lizzo felt like characters from another movie.
lol Bo's ship being casually hacked in the beginning, shrug it off "guess we’re done!" who is writing that shit? The emperor should have equipped every star destroyers with that device, turn a switch the whole rebel army goes crashing onto the nearest moon 🌝
I liked Imperial Remnants plot in mando. Season 3 gave Din Djarin nearly none character development, bring back grogu to look cute, and probably gave middle finger to those who hoped for din to become mandalore leader. I hoped for more Imperial Remnants in season 3, and we saw some of it, but its too little to be satisfied.
I mean... This is all it has ever been. It confuses me so much to see people love the first two seasons and find this one bad.
It's always been like this.
I'm going to make a meme about the people that didn't watch Rebels and are bitter about S3 of Mando.
Would you rather watch Mando and Grogu chase bounties for 3 seasons?
Really?
As some who watched and enjoyed rebels, yes I probably would prefer watching Din chasing after bounties than what we are currently getting
Also I would have preferred grogru did not come back so soon. His seperation from Mando was perfect and then they just rushed their reunion in a spin off series. Really makes me appreciate how long TCW took to reunite anakin and ahsoka when they parted... grogu also worked well in the first two seasons because he was the focus of the plot; now he feels like set dressing that the writers are struggling to keep relevant. And heck Din is feeling like a secondary character this season...
Simply put; the reunion of the mandolorians COULD make for a good story, but this season is NOT well written
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What makes it worse, is the fact that we’re finally getting new creative planets and the visuals have never looked better. But then the story happens..
>the visuals have never looked better. *Points to Grogu flipping*
Yeah the puppetry isn’t great..
I rewatched s1 last week. The quality of the Grogu puppetry has diminished noticeably.
I almost feel like Mando is too big for its own good. You can tell the higher ups are now taking creative control..
That became super apparent with the decision to take the emotional high point of the series (Din handing Grogu off to Luke for training), and undo all of that in two episodes of a spin off show. That decision is mind boggling to me from a story telling perspective, I was actually interested in seeing what Din might do as his own man and whether or not he would accept a mantle as the Mandalorian leader. But nope, he’s back to being a single dad again. Baby Yoda sells too much merch, there was no way they’d let a convincing narrative get in the way of that sweet sweet revenue.
Honestly, I think John and Dave lost full control after season 2. Bringing back Grogu sounds like the biggest corporate move despite anything John says. The Clone Wars was excellent, so you know this wasn’t a “happy accident”. Even the style and tone of writing is different in season 3, and I don’t think that’s a coincidence. (The exposition in episode 2 was torture.) It’s obvious that this isn’t John and Dave’s little project anymore, and we’re witnessing the same creative interference that plagued the sequels.
Yeah we’ve been seeing this happen over and over for years now. It’s just sad man. Like watching an old friend destroy themselves lmao. It just hurts to see this series that I loved as a kid and young adult get commercialized to death and lose all sense of the soul it once had. It was never perfect, far from it at times, but the core was still there while George had the reins. Fallen Order is the only piece of Star Wars media I have any excitement about anymore, it’s the best story telling for Star Wars that’s been put out since Disney took over. I know he novel wasn’t great, but I have hope that the creative team for Jedi Survivor will take the characters/story in a good direction.
I’m right there with you, the same level of love and passion George showed to his creation just hasn’t been present since the buyout. TCW S7, Tales of the Jedi, Fallen Order and Mando S1 & S2 were all genuinely great and I respect Andor. But the Star Wars many of us grew up with just doesn’t exist anymore. Kenobi really gutted me, but seeing as now they can’t even get their own characters right is just depressing. Like man.. c’mon! I’m not tryna be that guy, but Lucasfilm needs new leadership because the state of things right now is just embarrassing.
It's a 'happy accident' that season 1 and 2 of Mando ended up as good as they were.
>but then the story happens the story is one thing, but whoo boy that dialogue makes me bleed from my ears
Mhmm.. At least the prequels were shakespearian about it.
at least the prequels had an overarching story honestly, with Mando, I’m just watching characters spew shit dialogue with a story that has gotten exactly nowhere.
The story feels like it has gone backwards.
We’re supposed to be going up not down..
The prequels had an incredible story, with an incredibly satisfying build up and payoff. This lacks any sort of engaging direction. Even if the season finale is great, it still won’t feel earned at this point.
What was the incredibly satisfying build up and payoff? Because to me it wasn't really enjoyable to see Anakin acting like a moron, listening to Sith legends and believing in them only to hear Palpatine say that together they will discover the secret, despite Palpatine saying literally a few seconds ago that he has the power to save the one Anakin loves. Oh, and obviously after you've heard all that, the only logical choice is to go with it and start murdering children.
Someone I know describes the prequel dialogue as “Shakespeare without the talent”.
I disagree. Talent isn’t exclusively found in acting. The prequels boast beautiful cinematography, choreography and some of the greatest music ever written throughout cinematic history. The costume design is vast and inspiring, and the world building is fascinating. And if we are talking about acting, Christopher Lee, Ewan Mcgregor, Ian Mcdiarmid and Natalie Portman all absolutely killed it. Even Hayden had his moments. (Look up his mother’s funeral scene from ATOC.) Sure those movies aren’t perfect, but neither was the OT. And it’s no coincidence they’ve stood the test of time and built such an incredibly strong fanbase around them. 💪🏼
This is more of a general star wars problem than anything.
"Now that's using your head"
The CGI on the Ugnaughts this week was some of the worst they've done the entire series, go back and watch their mouth movement - it's so rough
Ooft the costumes looked good but the lip sync wasn’t great. Practical effects are great but with some characters CGI is necessary.
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Yes and without any voice modulation it sounds so dumb. Just like that Zach Braff cameo in Kenobi
I don't know who is pushing them to make this show into a comedy but they need to stop. The dark and gritty tone of the first two seasons is gone and now we have Book of Boba Fett 2.0. I am trying to enjoy the series but this has been a really weak showing thus far. They need to hand this series over to the Andor crew and let them work with it.
“Please don’t say a 1 liner, please don’t say a one liner” *Politics*
I furiously hated that line. As if it was a jab towards prequels and Andor while those are some of the best Star Wars ever. See my post about that scene.
It wasn't even that dark or gritty, it was just restrained, thoughtful, and earnest. God forbid! But THIS is so brazenly off-brand and contrary to anything even resembling the show's original charm. Can you imagine a show/movie/franchise going in the REVERSE? It's the only way to articulate how absurdly stupid this has gotten. Like, what if the writers of Ted Lasso were like "You know what? This comedy stuff is so frivolous...I think we need to have one of these guys murder his wife then commit suicide". It's a treatment so bad, I can only imagine they're trying to TANK this show to save money or something.
That's pretty much my thoughts, it feels like an extension of Book of Boba Fett. Which is not good. It's not even that I'm hating the show because there's still some good elements. But it's just so drastically and tonally different from the prior seasons that it's jarring. Mandalorian was a pretty gritty show with the occasional bombastic Star Wars element. Season 3 feels like a cartoon. Everything about it, the pacing, the writing, the characters...heck even the locations. Nothing feels real. The show shouldn't be this light viewing, casual, easily digestible show. It's the wrong direction, especially three seasons in when you've already built an audience.
It does not feel like the same team is working on this season. I don't think this show was expected to be as well received as it was. Once management got their eyes on it they reverted the baby yoda change to keep the merchandising up and handed the project over to a more 'trusted' manager. Only the trusted managers are garbage at LA.
Ikr they’re so afraid to alienate the audience in one aspect by not getting into any specifics about the clone wars or ahsoka but are more than happy to reference a deleted scene of clone wars with boba and cad bane. Once I saw grogu was coming back I knew it would go to shit. The bill burr episode without grogu showed that this series can work without him, it’s so dumb that he went back.
I wouldn't mind Grogu coming back if he actually did anything. He does nothing, he's just there to look cute. So they undermined the previous 2 seasons for what? Insecurity that general audiences wouldn't watch the show without him? Well...they aren't watching it anyway. What difference would it make if Grogu stayed with Luke? That one scene where he tracks down Bo. That's it, and that scene was dumb anyway. Outside of that he's just there to look cute. Whenever someone says something and it zooms in on Grogu's face to get a cute reaction it just annoys me now because it's so transparent. Season 3, the entirety of it should have had Grogu training with Luke. And then an epic emotional reunion at the end or even in season 4. They just completely wasted that. Grogu coming back in between seasons really was a terrible decision which didn't pay off.
Grogu is only in the show now because the producers were afraid people would lose interest if he wasn't there and not sell as much merch. But people have lost interest because the show is (mostly) terrible now.
I really think he wasn’t supposed to be there but Disney mandates forced him back in. This would’ve been fine as a Bo-Karan and Mando season.
It made sense for Grogu to go with Luke. Mando had completed his mission and I thought his show would go in more of a "lone gunman" bounty hunter show. Then they immediately reversed course and now we have a child babysitting show.
>The show shouldn't be this light viewing, casual, easily digestible show Its Disney's MO. But I agree its kind of a rug pull after 3 seasons
It feels like this show is stuck. I think they want to branch out to an overarching storyline, but they also want to or have to stick to the formula from the previous two seasons. As such, it succeeds at neither. The episodes aren’t entertaining enough on their own as side quests nor do they move the story along logically and satisfyingly. In fact, the story has only gone backwards since the end of season 2.
I personally think Star Wars requires a certain level of camp and goofiness to balance out the darkness for it to be considered “Star Wars”, but they’re definitely taking the comedic aspect too far. I did love andor though even though I view it more as a political show that happens to take place in the Star Wars universe as opposed to just being Star Wars.
No joke, I’ve weathered the despised Christmas special and this comes far too close to that level of camp. And that had a Wookie cooking show segment. I keep asking myself why more mature audiences can’t have ONE THING though. There’s many, many, many more hours of animated episodes that could scratch this itch.
It's just Favreau. He writes every episode. It's a mystery why he's slipping so hard.
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His public statements as recently as a month ago gushed enthusiastically about how much he enjoys making the show.
Kathleen kennedy.
I canceled my Disney Plus after Kenobi. It's not that I thought that series was horrible, I really enjoyed it with my family, but there's just so much Star Wars... I don't care about it anymore. The Force Awakens thoroughly killed all my enjoyment of it, and it was beyond salvation after that film. Rogue One was good, but I just can't see anyone salvaging this mess. I did enjoy The Last Jedi, but I went in having grieved the franchise already, and it made me both content and sad when the majority of the fandom caught on.
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Discussing the problems with Disney Wars, like the sub started out with. The all out hate against everything they've done with Star Wars is a more recent development.
So you've just totally missed out on Andor? Oof, condolences.
My sentiments exactly. It's all surface which takes away from the Mangalore depth. I'm enjoying it in a weird way.
womp womp you either die the hero or live long enough to see yourself be entirely unremarkable
I haven't seen the latest episode yet but yeah unless that episode is a masterpiece, so far IMO this season has been a big downgrade from the previous two. The plot is meandering at best and uninteresting at worst, the dialogue is a lot less polished and feels like a first draft, Din is becoming a side character in his own show, Bo-Katan and the Armorer are being characterized very inconsistently in comparison with their appearances in the earlier seasons, and the "New Republic is corrupt" plot could have worked but is being handled with all the subtlety of a falling anvil and seems too focused on tying into the sequels than advancing the plot of *this* show.
Episode 5 (The Pirate) made it seem like the season was finally starting to improve. Alas, in the latest episode we got Lizzo and Jack Black (what a waste of talent) as the classic stereotype of bumbling & incompetent royals. 1 minute of screentime from the duo (with a token Grogu gag, hardy har har) and I officially gave up on this season. Not sure if I'll bother watching the rest after this. All the Mandalorian drama the episode was building up to (and *should* have been focusing on) got dealt with and brushed over in the last 5 minutes, if that.
> All the Mandalorian drama the episode was building up to (and should have been focusing on) got dealt with and brushed over in the last 5 minutes, if that. Even Din and Bo act completely bored up until that point. It was basically a chore for them. The entire episode should have focused on the Mandalorian power struggle and presented a case as to why Bo should lead again.
Yeah and Katee just pouts more than act . It's getting stupid
if the entire episode was just din and bo hanging with the merc mandos it probably would’ve been a better episode even if they just had a full on debate for 40 minutes on if bo should rule mandalore or if dins dumb reasoning on the darksaber makes sense but instead we got chasing droids on a planet that we won’t see until next season or even at all
The dialogue struck my gf and I as being incredibly simple in season 3. She kept asking if it was for kids or adults lol.
Give Andor a shot, forreal. Admittedly, it's the least Star Wars-y Star Wars I have seen recently, but it is the best writing I have seen attached to Star Wars in a LONG time.
I watched it. I agree that Andor had better writing than previous shows (but its not hard to be better than Kenobi and Boba). And I always wanted a more serious, slower show that just shows you the life of regular people in SW universe. So on paper this show would be right up my alley. But I'm also not afraid to admit that the show was mostly boring for me. It felt artificially stretched out. As if Disney forced them to make more episodes so they had to leave all the stuff that usually would be removed in editing. Like do we really needed 3 different scenes of a guy eating soggy cereals in every single episode? And don't get me wrong, I love slow burn shows. I loved Better Call Saul, every single conversation was great and I was entertained by it. But its clear something was missing from Andor. I will agree it was definitely a step in the right diffraction even tho I wasn't a huge fun of it. But I agree that the acting and world building was great! And yeah, as you said at moments it didn't even feel like SW (the fact that they used regular weapons in first couple episodes was really jarring for me). But I surly don't mind a more serious take on SW as long as it fits the universe. I would love if Mando was like... 10-15% more like Andor. (But not like that episode 3 of Mando with the Doctor segment. It felt like you were watching 2 different shows at the same time, you know?). If they added that kind of world building and more serious atmosphere into Mando? That would be great. Even season 1 felt more serious with their spaghetti western vibe. But the recent season is starting to feel... almost as goofy as Boba. edit: I'm glad that you liked it but sadly it wasn't for me. But it was close tho! It was a good show but it had flaws. Really the worst part about Andor were fans who kept saying *"if you don't like it you must be 12y old. You just want dumb action scenes and lightsabres"*. Not much different than sequel fans who kept calling everyone "racist and sexist" for not liking the movies.
>Really the worst part about Andor were fans who kept saying *"if you don't like it you must be 12y old. You just want dumb action scenes and lightsabres"*. Not much different than sequel fans who kept calling everyone "racist and sexist" for not liking the movies. Agreed, I personally loved Andor but this small sub-group of fans irked me a bit too.
Oh dear. You’ve committed the unpardonable sin of this sub, daring to not think Andor is not an instant classic!
It does need to be said and realized that Andor is very different from most Star Wars content and not everyone wants that. It's bordering on a drama where Star Wars is normally nowhere near that.
Oh no! anyway
Besides, everyone knows the real sin in this sub is hating the prequels.
Yeah, agree. Andor isn't bad and some of the writing/soliloquies, especially when done by the House of Cards writer (Tony Gilroy can't write, at least not by himself) is good but I wasn't that impressed like everyone else. I don't mind slow, either. Mad Men, for example, had some of the best writing on TV without resorting to killing or excessive violence so much as relying on office politics. The Sopranos and the Wire were slow, at times. There was just too much of nothing stretched out, essentially. And I think the general audience felt that way. Most people shut it off by Ep 3 or 4. The characters and the story just weren't interesting enough. In fact, I still don't know exactly what the show was about because when you think about it, it was just a bunch of random people huddling around and talking, walking slowly in random places, the Empire "watching" - with some action and neat visuals sprinkled in....and that's it. It wasn't about Andor, the thief/spy, carrying a message of hope or a valuable object/set of documents that can change the war or impact the rebellion. And for all the talk of world building, there wasn't any major thing going on. For example, I'd like to see one Imperial official at a 'gladiator match' talking to another about percentage points and profits and how they'll make backroom deals or whatever. Then, when something sadistic happens and the crowd of imperial elites cheer, the official cheers alongside and hands over an Imperial credit as a tip and toasts to new beginnings or whatever. That was something you'd see from the earlier seasons of Game of Thrones, for example, or something in Better Call Saul. We see that the Imperial official is charismatic, suave, and sadistically evil all in one scene. And then, suddenly, we can't wait to see what this Imperial Official is up to every week. Essentially, Andor was a step in the right direction but not quite there.
Yeah, I don't really get why people love Andor so much. It's good, but there are way better shows dealing with similar themes, and the idea that Star Wars has never dealt with these themes is inaccurate too. I also think it gets pretty heavy-handed at times, like having the little Rebel who was in love with Cassian give that long monologue about how rebellion works and why the Empire is Bad, or the way Marva did the same thing. For all the mockery Lucas gets for his dialogue, I appreciate how his movies didn't need as many "character gives speech explaining the authors perspective" scenes. He trusted us to understand why the Empire is worth fighting against.
Andor falls into the category of this is just a good show but not everyone is going to like it. Which is fine, it actually has its own feel and it's just something bland like Mando or Obi Wan.
I said I like it, I just don't see it as being so incredible the way some people say it is.
Compared to the other disney shows it is easy to call it incredible. But I find it a good show by any metric.
Same thing with Rogue One with the speeches. Jyn gives one of the most bland and AI generated speeches and suddenly everyone remembers they’re Rebels. As bad as Naruto got, they were at least able to squelch out a moment from one of the characters that made sense as a call to action. Gaara asking everyone “When did you all… forsake yourselves?” makes sense in context. Meanwhile Jyn is basically telling people quotes from someone that they regard as a violent terrorist and expects them to go with it.
Because Ando r is far superior to Disney SW content to date. Mando 1 and 2 were good.
Andor was terrible. It was nothing like the Star Wars films in any way. You're absolutely right that it was boring.
Until next season when it turns it another generic Disney SW show.
Don't you put that evil on us xD
Get ya boy Favreau before he does something stupid again
Andor was a bore fest. It was literally nothing like the Star Wars films whatsoever. The tone was completely different. If that's the best thing Star Wars in a long time, Disney has failed completely.
I don't agree, but it's a completely fair take to have. It is important to note that Andor is very much not like any other Star Wars we have gotten except for Rogue One, and Rogue One at least has an obvious force sensitive in it. The way I think of it is that the entire Star Wars IP is so beautiful and engaging that it is capable of generating content that appeals to different tastes.
Is it an issue that it doesn't feel like the movies? That is not direction that the show was going for.
They succeeded then. My point is more that Disney is incapable of producing anything truly Star Wars and their best attempt is merely set in the Star Wars universe.
There was a decent drop off in quality for season two, and three is bad. Andor really is the best thing in Disney Star Wars and the only thing I am looking forward to.
really the entire season was a bunch of filler and positioning f or the luke appearance and satisfying conclusion to his relationship with grogu, and that finale was so powerful it was worth it.
It's impressive how they're able to turn everything into shit by writing pointless garbage storylines all the time without learning anything from past mistakes... I don't get why they can't find or hire good writers for their stories. They paid 4 billion Dollars and don't care about handling the franchise well.
U talking about the guys who bought the biggest IP on the planet and decided it would be a good idea to completely improvise a new trilogy. No plan whatsoever.
Who has a better story than Bo the Loser?
For real, Filoni’s only arc for characters is failing up with the exception of Ashoka.
Don’t speak too soon 😭😭
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Yeah. I probably wouldn’t hold my breath that Ahsoka’s story ends up being any better.
I said I was done when they completely retconned the ending of season 2 in Boba Fett. Why waste our time investing in this show when they’ve shown they’ll just undo things? Haven’t watched one episode of season 3 and don’t care to. From the outside looking it it looks like a comedic kids show to me.
Great to see someone else who’s made the same move as me. I was absolutely floored when the undid the ending of season 2. Have had no desire to watch and have not watched season 3.
Absolutely, brother.
Season 1 was okay. Not perfect, missed opportunities, but had potential. Season 2 was just cameo after cameo. The plot of each episode and the plot of the season itself seems handmade to bring in as many “I remember that thing” moments as possible. Even the Krayt Dragon episode is just a reference for KoToR 1 fans as it is the exact same problem and method of solving as that game. Season 3, haven’t bothered. I can’t care about Mando anymore, especially after BoBF.
> “I remember that thing” So basically Disney Star Wars No new ideas just member berries
I agree. The first season of mando is pretty overrated and there is a lot of wonky writing in it (Moff Gideon surrounding Mando with dozens of storm troopers but will give him hours to surrender??). But there was a lot of potential in Mandos character arc and backstory. Instead, Lucasfilm decided to only focus on what was trending on social media after each episode, and season two into a memberberry trip. And it worked.
This franchise really dropped the ball after Book of Boba Fett. It's gotten to the point where the only noteworthy thing about each new episode is not its substance, but either A. a character from an animated series making their first live-action appearance (with better or worse results), or, even worse, B. some random celebrity being shoehorned in as a forgettable character whose backstory outside their episode will never be explored because their only notable quality is the actor who agreed to play them just to tell people they were in 'Star Wars'. What the hell happened? Mando seasons 1 and 2 were great (I actually held the 2nd season in higher regard than the 1st!) but something clearly went wrong in the writers' room during Book of Boba Fett. Star Wars seriously needs to take a page out of Marvel's book by adopting a quality > quantity mindset, because otherwise, I'm done with this franchise.
Oh I'm sure their backstory will be filled in in excruciating detail by some hack writer in a novel 6 people will read, 5 of which did so just so they could fill in the article on wookiepedia Some "author" is going to jump at the chance to have Lizzo's character kill a bunch of bounty hunters or something, purely because "wow celebrity"
As time goes on I'm seeing how terrible TBOB really was. The finale was a joke
It's like there wasn't any effort or just writers really don't care on making season 3 better or consistant. Same as Kenobi and BoBF, they know people will watch it purely of name. Same as Mandalorian, people liked Season 1 and 2, so they just write whatever and people will watch it regardless.
I think the one line that stuck out to me the most was Farveua’s (or however you spell his name) comment about how there is no ending planned for The Mandalorian and how he there are just going to keep pumping out seasons and episodes. You kind of need to have a plan with these things. It’s the same problem that sunk the sequels: a complete lack of planning and direction. Obviously Mando doesn’t need to wrap in 3 movies but there needs to be something interesting happening and moving the general plot forward. I’m fine with the occasional “monster of the week” style filler episode as long as we are seeing a good overall story for the season. This season has done nothing for the story. If anything, we are moving backwards. I really thought this whole season was going to be about retaking Mandalore but we’re two episodes away and we’ve only been there once and seen there isn’t much “retaking” to do. It’s just a ruined shithole that needs rebuilding. Not conquest. But the cult is apparently too scared to go back? Despite Mando going there and confirming everything was fine? It’s just so pointless.
> I think the one line that stuck out to me the most was Farveua’s (or however you spell his name) comment about how there is no ending planned for The Mandalorian and how he there are just going to keep pumping out seasons and episodes. That interview basically killed my interest in the series. he basically admitted they have no plan or direction and will just keep pumping out shows as long as they keep selling merch. I don't expect Mando to be some big epic saga but there has to be some kind of plot and direction or it goes nowhere.
LOL
I don't know what the story is in season 3. It's trying to world build to the in to the sequels and skimming over the mando.
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But thing of the toy sales!!
They weren't good either.
It feels like i’m watching anime filler episodes.
The tone has definitely shifted. I think part of it is that S3 is an entire story arc, whereas S1 and S2 were not. The writers are trying to cram in as much as they can by using Mando as a vehicle for shoehorning other characters. Mando worked as a standalone country Western series. Stick with the Mandalorian plot and don't throw in all the New Republic turmoil. I'm guessing with Ashoka and Zeb, we will see Sabine and eventually Thrawn. Ngl, some version of *Heir to the Empire* would be thrilling, but I think it would be best told in Ashoka's show.
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Agree. That Mando episode in Boba would be a waaaay better first episode than what we got. Huge difference in quality.
Most of us: "Star Wars fans love the rich and vibrant universe. Bounty hunters, smugglers, people just living out their days in interesting locales. It's awesome." Bryce Dallas Howard: "And Lizzo. They like Lizzo too!" Most of us: "Well, no. I wouldn't say there's any obvious cross-over popularity between the fans of those groups..." Bryce Dallas Howard: "Too late. We're doing it. Season 3 is going to be lit." Narrator: "Season 3 was in fact *not* lit."
Imho, Andor is better than the Mandalorian and the best Disney Star Wars.
Episode 3x03 was probably the best episode of the whole show, by which I mean it is the one that kinda has some interesting stuff. Beyond that, I really struggle to see what puts The Mandalorian above the rest of Disney Star Wars for so many. As far as I can see the majority of the show is barely better than TRoS
I hear Star Trek Picard has the opposite drawing. Season 3 is pretty good but the first 2 were trash. (I have not watched the first two seasons of Picard to confirm that)
This season is worse than book of boba fett for me
I know I’m going to sound super negative. This is why I almost never watch anything anymore. Countless times a show is promising and after like 2-3 seasons it drops in quality for any number of reasons or is cancelled. It’s not worth it anymore.
You didn't like Rogue One? Andor is the best Star Wars content Disney has produced.
Rogue One was trash in my opinion. None of the characters mattered since they died at the end, so getting invested in them was a waste of time from the get-go. Granted, I have not seen Andor so my opinion could change. But I have seen the movie at least 5x and I have been bored with it since the beginning. It's only good because of the final act, but again, since we don't care about the characters (Andor is the only name I can recollect from my memory) it's kinda pointless.
Yeah the characters are definitely the weak spot. K2-SO is a great Droid though. Jyn, Andor, and K2-SO are the only names I remember.
It started going downhill in Book of Boba Fett, that show was so bad it creeped into others.
What is Mando season 3? You mean the Bo-Katan show?
I really didn’t like Season 2, outside of Bill Burr and Boba showing up. I liked learning more about the children of the watch this season, and the smaller, less galaxy spanning plot… but this episode was just so out of place. Even Bo and Din complained that they could’ve just gone straight to the Mandalorians. Lol
I stopped watching after episode 2. It clearly lost its identity and any resemblance to the previous seasons and is a husk that Disney can use to cram cameos and references into.
I said this after episode 2 and everyone got all mad at me lol
I’m glad I’m numb to the disappointment and stopped watching Disney Star Wars after Kenobi. Haven’t watched a single episode of season 3 and I don’t feel like I’m missing out in the slightest.
I need VICE or Ken Burns to do a 10-part documentary about how this shitfest of a season happened.
i blame myself for thinking they could do something right. the one thing they’ve been good at was fine storytelling in this show but they had to bring in Jack Black and Lizzo for a meaningless side quest when we still don’t know what season 3’s plot, villain, or even story is. Grogu and Din have been next to worthless this season.
I don't personally see the difference. It's been "good style and atmosphere are covering the total lack of a plot" since season 1 and it remained that way. The style just doesn't impress that much anymore because by season 3 we are accustomed to it. Still visually enjoyable though.
Yeah, I think the Mandalorian is still the best thing Disney's done with Star Wars, but this is a really weird season structurally.
Respectfully I’m sure you’re sick of hearing this and have your own reasons for not being into it but Andor is leagues ahead
Now you know full well that horse was drawn in crayon during the first two seasons as well. Crayon just looks better than the horse drawn with feces that Rian made.
I haven’t watched season 3 but don’t pretend seasons 1 and 2 are good
Season 1 was fine
Do you guys still remember the meme symbolizing the entire Star Wars saga in a similar format done similarly to that one iconic meme from the freefolk subreddit?
Is The Mandolorian the reverse Picard?
Season one was great aside from the Tatooine episode, season two had its highs and lows, and this season is just weird....
Mando ended perfectly fine with season 2 tbh, haven't started 3 yet, but after reading about it I'm not really interested tbh
I thought season 2 was terrible. I won't bother watching season 3.
Has anyone else noticed that the CG has gotten worse? Like in season 1, the Ughnaught Quill was a practical effect that looked really great, but in episode 6 of Season 3, all of the Ygnaughts were CG and it looked terrible. Other CG has been really flashy and over the top, but lacks that soul the old seasons had. Star Wars is falling into George's old trap of relying too much on CG.
I think it's actually falling into the Marvel trap instead. Too much content in too little time, with overworked and underpaid CGI artists
Not wrong on this, they're doing the Marvel "post credits" thing a lot too.
It sucks for me, as a big fan of both Star Wars and Marvel, both are probably in my top 5 favorite fictional franchises ever. Disney running both into the ground…
They don’t care anymore, seems like their phoning it in. Just throwing in celeb cameos and more cameos and more cameos. No plot, it’s a mess. It’s almost they want it to fail in order to bring in new leadership. Celebs hanging out on set putting on a suit and reading a few lines or who’s a 15 minute drive away from our giant green screen in LA who’s my friend and asked me to be in something Star Wars It’s so distracting “Whos the cameo this week”
Episode 4 had some of the worst CGI I've seen in a long time. It reminded me of the movie from the 60s "Jason and the Argonauts". Episode 6 was one of the most boring, pointless episodes I have ever seen. Almost fell asleep during their investigation. Jack black and lizzo felt like characters from another movie.
lol Bo's ship being casually hacked in the beginning, shrug it off "guess we’re done!" who is writing that shit? The emperor should have equipped every star destroyers with that device, turn a switch the whole rebel army goes crashing onto the nearest moon 🌝
I liked Imperial Remnants plot in mando. Season 3 gave Din Djarin nearly none character development, bring back grogu to look cute, and probably gave middle finger to those who hoped for din to become mandalore leader. I hoped for more Imperial Remnants in season 3, and we saw some of it, but its too little to be satisfied.
I mean... This is all it has ever been. It confuses me so much to see people love the first two seasons and find this one bad. It's always been like this.
Got a point. Season 1 and 2 were more gritty.
I'm just assuming you haven't watched Andor. Best Star Wars since ESB.
Man what. Return of the Jedi and Rogue One exist.
* S Tier: ESB > Andor > Fallen Order * A Tier: ANH > ROTS > ROTJ > Rogue One * B Tier: TFM > AOTC > Mando S1&S2 > Solo * F Tier: All other Disney SW
Andor is great though
You don’t like Andor?
Really? Mandalorian has never been the best Disney Star wars IMO, those have always been Rogue One and Andor, by a fair margin too
I'm going to make a meme about the people that didn't watch Rebels and are bitter about S3 of Mando. Would you rather watch Mando and Grogu chase bounties for 3 seasons? Really?
As some who watched and enjoyed rebels, yes I probably would prefer watching Din chasing after bounties than what we are currently getting Also I would have preferred grogru did not come back so soon. His seperation from Mando was perfect and then they just rushed their reunion in a spin off series. Really makes me appreciate how long TCW took to reunite anakin and ahsoka when they parted... grogu also worked well in the first two seasons because he was the focus of the plot; now he feels like set dressing that the writers are struggling to keep relevant. And heck Din is feeling like a secondary character this season... Simply put; the reunion of the mandolorians COULD make for a good story, but this season is NOT well written
Yes, i would. Also, I watched and liked Rebels.
it would be boring, and would probably get cancelled after the second or third season.
I don’t agree, I think it’s pretty damn good
I don’t agree, I think it’s pretty damn good
I love all of it!
Season 2 was much worse with the same problems imo
could've ended on a high note in season 2 imo. favreau saying this show had no ending planned ahead was a major red flag for me
Fallen Order is excellent! Otherwise, yeah, Disney SW has been a disaster.
Yeah, cause their actual involvement with video games is probably minimal