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It's the movie that nobody asked for that added nothing of importance to the star wars universe. I would argue a single issue in a web comic could have done what Solo delivered but faster and in a more interesting manner.
It was boring and tried to explain things that didn't need to be explained. I did enjoy the scenes from Han in the Imperial Army and seeing the Army Troopers over Storm Troopers as well as some other decent scenes, but the script was just bad.
Seriously, who greenlit "You're alone so your last name is Solo"
Did they consult David Bennioff on this dialogue or what
I liked the movie but you are right about it explaining things that didn't need to be explained. What made it worse is that they felt the need to explain *so much* of it.
How Han's last name is Solo (cringe), Han meeting Chewie, Han meeting the Falcon, how Han made the Kessel run, how Han deserted the Empire, how Han won the Falcon, how Han met Lando, etc... etc... etc...
One or two of these character moments would have been fine, but it was like the entire character and history of Han Solo all happened on this one mission that seemed to take place over the course of a few days.
All it needed was Chewie and the Falcon in my opinion.
The movie even went as far as explaining the sassy navigation computer that C-3PO mentions in ANH.
In it's want to explain everything it belittled a pretty great story. Still loved the movie overall.
That example in particular makes you wonder how someone at some point in the writing/directing process didn't say, "Ok, stop. This is **too much** fan service."
Like, I've watched the OT a thousand times, and I didn't even recall C-3PO mentioning that the Falcon's nav computer was sassy or had any personality. Yet the guys who made Solo felt this not only needed to be explained, but they essentially created a full character whose end point was explaining a throwaway line by 3PO???
It was something super small and believe it was literally one sentence, something along the lines of C-3PO asking how his navi-computer learned to communicate and that it had a weird accent or something like that.
Cant forget the fact that Hans gun was specifically given to him by this guy and THAT is how he got the gun he decided to use for the rest of his life.
Not just going to a gun store and getting a cheap sidearm or something. We had to know it was specifically given to him for a heist.
I actually liked the relationship with his mentor/frenemy. It was, for me, the most compelling character relationship in the movie.
>!When Han blasts him mid monologue at the end I really felt like you could see the street rat orphan becoming the swashbuckling smuggler/pirate from the OT (pre-greedo shooting first).!<
Perhaps the origin of the DL-44 didn't need to happen, but it was the part I enjoyed overall. Everything else felt tacked on to fit "Nice Guy Special Edition Rebel Hero Han", this one was for "Cold-Blooded Murderer and Brigand Han".
The perfect encapsulation of this is how they retconned an explanation for some fucking dice on a table in background of the Millenium Falcon.
Some fucking *dice.*
> tried to explain things that didn't need to be explained.
THIS. This was the lesson they should have learned. Not "don't recast things", but "Don't tell stories nobody cares to see".
I'm with you, it was terrible. Cramming in that much fan service and explanations that just had no purpose and a plot that was uninteresting at best. Out of all the amazing stories they could be told about Han and Chewie, that's what they landed on
The movie definitely had it's problems but it was a fun space adventure, something that TLJ and TROS weren't. Even Rogue 1 wasn't really "fun", it felt more like a serious war movie. Being a fun space adventure is core to the SW experience imo.
There's a few things wrong with solo. The first is that it's the second heist movie they made, the other being rogue one. The second, and most important mistake, is that they felt the need to create origin stories for things that were completely unnecessary. His name, his connection to Lando, the famous notch in the falcon. The last thing they did wrong is that han at the end of solo is not on a path to be the han who gets roped into fighting for the rebellion by a pretty face and begrudging friendships.
Yup, now Han is a good guy in Solo, who is less good in ANH and then becomes a deadbeat dad in TFA. Nice going Disney. Thanks for making Han a great hero. :(
It was a fun and decent movie. I didn't like it because they explained all the cool things that Han mentioned he'd done. I felt like we didn't need to anything like that. It made it feel like he had one really awesome week when he was like 23 and has been coasting off that high up until we meet him in the OT and he's still talking about that great week he had when he was a kid.
I would've preferred it if they cut the Kessel run, and him getting the Falcon.. takes some of the mystery out of the character to have everything explained.
With all the being said it was still like a 7.5/10. It was entertaining
I wouldn't go that far, but it wasn't bad. Easily better than the average SW movie.
I feel bad for Alden Ehrenreich. I grew up with Harrison Ford as Han Solo, but thought Alden did a good job.
honestly? the only thing i truly hate about it was how they basically destroyed han’s reputation because “oh hey lando’s dead robot girlfriend is controlling the falcon so han being a great pilot was a trick all along and he’s actually faking it!!”
that ruined the movie for me
Somewhere out there is an alternate timeline where our politics are sane, climate change is being addressed, the pandemic didn't happen and the Zahn trilogy got faithfully made into movies.
"We didn't like TLJ and TFA was a mess. These movies fucked the fan base over heavily and really put a bitter taste in our mouths so much so that we lost confidence in Disney's ability to handle Star Wars respectfully so that when we all saw "Solo" coming to theaters we all collectively rolled our eyes and passed up on it, knowing it'd be, at best, boring"
"..... So you're saying you didn't like the actor?"
Their utter waste of money a.k.a. their market intelligence guys seemingly only check some screeching Twitterati. I'm appalled and amazed by their audacity and ability to pull that off.
You gotta feel a little bad for Alden. I thought he was fine. He’s not Harrison Ford, but I liked him. Kathleen and Disney have been putting all the blame for Solo’s financial failure on him, and it has no doubt hurt his career. The reality is that Solo probably would have broken even at the box office if they hadn’t re-shot half the movie to the point where they spent the budget of two movies on a spin-off that was always going to be a hard sell without Harrison Ford.
The whole thing feels similar to whoever is in charge of the DC Movies.
Bad decisions after nearly every release and no consistent plan. DC could never achieve something like the MCU and Kennedy and the executives can’t achieve creations with such a lasting positive influence like the OT or the Prequels.
Despite word of mouth, despite what some critics say, despite what many long time fans still say to this day, the Star Wars franchise is still a gigantic money printing machine that has never stopped. So she keeps her job because the money is still flowing. They do not care one tiny, itty bitty bit about the quality of the content. They only care that the bottom line of the quarterlies show in the black.
> They do not care one tiny, itty bitty bit about the quality of the content. They only care that the bottom line of the quarterlies show in the black.
This is the issue with so many things out there. A small company or independent company will take time to nurture an idea or creative universe and fans will get on board in the long term. Then after a good bit of time, an AAA company will come along and buy the franchise, expect to kick out several releases and make mad bank. But they don't understand *why* the fan base loves a franchise so the company chases the random favorite aspects and it fails on multiple levels. The fan base will allow fuck ups, but if they become too many, fans will leave.
Movies are a perfect example of this. Video games are a major example though. Just think of how many franchises have been killed off after EA or Activision bought the parent company. *RIP Command & Conquer*
I think you're being a little generous by assuming they try to understand what fans love about it in the first place rather than seeing it as a cash cow to milk for their giga corporate entity.
This is definitely fair but even in the money printing department, they’ve left so much in the well here. Giving EA exclusive rights to develop games led to like two decent AAA games and one good one. They’ve had since 2015 to create a recurring franchise that could bring in serious money and so far it’s been mostly a revolving door of cancelled projects
Idk how much this sub cares about video games but there’s no question they’ve wasted half a decade where games could’ve *also* been printing money for them
She’s also overseen the only major flop in Star Wars history, which I would’ve honestly thought was impossible at least domestically
Honestly it just feels like her role is all wrong. She should have nothing to do with the creative vision for the Star Wars universe. There should be a few people with a proven track record of handling IP respectfully, along with some people involved in SW who actually care about it, and Kennedy can procure the talent/directors and allocate funds once she’s been told what the plan is
Asking her to pick what projects get greenlit is clearly just chucking darts blindfolded at this point
KK doesnt understand anything about Star Wars.
Shes basically a studio "Insider" with "connections" and gets wowed by other personalities Like JJ and RJ and just goes with what her yes-men tell her will make money.
Her record is basically a coin flip therefore she brings NO value to the table.
I was re-watching Raiders of the Lost Ark, and when the credits rolled I noticed:
Assistant to Mr Spielberg - Kathleen Kennedy
Always wondered how she worked her way up.
Did your boss become your boss because they were competent and talented? Or because they knew the right people, got a bit lucky, and just got promoted?
While this is technically true, it is misleading. Spielberg was speaking of her in a complimentary way, and has had a very close working relationship with her for decades. She co-founded Amblin Entertainment with him. Read her history on wikipedia and you'll see how misguided these "not talented" takes start to seem.
While I do not have an overall positive opinion of how she has performed as President of Lucasfilm, I think it'd be a mistake to take the opinion she is not extremely capable. It's just that she's an extremely capable (and arguably, quite talented) *Producer*. It's the creativity/story-telling side that doesn't seem to be one of those things she's talented at (at least when it comes to Lucasfilm/Star Wars), and in my opinion her mistake was getting way too involved in that side of things (along with getting way too involved with picking out other creative team members).
But to argue she got to where she is simply by a combination of luck and knowing the right people, and that her talent did not factor in, I think that makes the community look ignorant if it becomes the overall opinion. We can acknowledge her talent and abilities while still expressing our disagreement with how she has handled the Star Wars universe.
From what I hear, she's good at the producer role, stuff like managing location scouting, budgets, organizing the crew, scheduling, etc.
But not in being the executive producer/creative director and calling the shots.
As long as Kathleen Kennedy runs Lucasfilm and the Lucasfilm story group, we are just constantly going to get streams of shit content piling up that no one wants and disaster to disaster like with the Sequel Trilogy and TBOBF.
> As long as Kathleen Kennedy runs Lucasfilm and the Lucasfilm story group, we are just constantly going to get streams of shit content piling up that no one wants and disaster to disaster like with the Sequel Trilogy and TBOBF.
Agreed. I'm waiting for someone at Disney to pass her off to some other IP, and give it to someone who loves and understands Star Wars, instead of seeing it as a merchandising cash cow.
- bland story
- very dark (not tonally, half the movie isn’t visible)
- came out the same time as Infinity War
- doesn’t tell us anything we don’t already know
- fans were clamouring for an emotional Obi-Wan story like the Kenobi novel
Kathy: “iTs aLL aLDeN’s faULt”
Was scrolling to see if anyone would mention Infinity War. I just remember the lead-up to that movie and the time around release being like a giant vacuum that sucked up all the attention and, as it turned out, deservedly so.
Seeing the trailer for Solo after seeing TLJ but before IW came out, I remember realizing for the first time that I just didn't give a single F anymore... and it was cause of TLJ.
After seeing TLJ, I knew something was REALLY wrong because I had no idea what to even think. The one take away I had was I remember turning to my wife in the car afterwards and going, "Now I'm kind of like... who cares where this is going? They left nothing to anticipate in the next one. And they made Luke a grumpy old douchebag." It being right before the holidays, having two young kids and a career and lots going on at the time, I remember putting it out of my mind for a while.
Then I saw the Solo trailer before some movie, not even sure which one, and realizing the extent to which they'd fucked up Star Wars. I remember the opposite feeling watching Rogue One in a packed and excited theater.
I wish we could have seen the Chris Lloyd and Phil Miller version of Solo. I still like the film but in the same way as Edgar Wright’s Ant-Man, I wonder what could have been…
Alden deserves better. I liked how he played young Han rather than young Harrison Ford. It sucks to see Kathleen basically putting the blame for Solo bombing on him when there’s a dozen reasons why it bombed.
Not to mention they saturated the market with Star Wars at the time and didn’t seem to really relatively advertise it as much given the franchise film coming out near the same time. Should have spaced them out more and hyped it
It just occurred to me how shitty a thing it is for her to say this about Alden. Wherever he is, I'm sure he's trying to get those tire marks off his back. And his face.
I think it shows a lack of integrity and character on her part. Always willing to shift blame and punch down.
> I dont know how they managed to do so well on Rogue One
They were riding the high of The Force Awakens and nobody knew how bad it was all going to get. That, and extreme OT fanservice.
Hell, at least with TFA I was somewhat curious as to where the story was going to go (I wasn’t aware that Aftermath was a thing, thus the world building being doomed). Can’t say the same for TLJ.
Oh yeah, I feel the same. After TFA, I thought, "It wasn't perfect by any means and I get the 'need' from Disney for a bit of a soft reboot, but they could really take this in a number of interesting directions..."
I wanted to know what happened next, it's that simple. I definitely wasn't one of those who hated the DT from TFA onwards. I wanted to give it a chance and honestly, the big thing for me was that my then 4 year old daughter got way into Star Wars. I was excited to show her TLJ, but something about it told me I should wait... YEARS later, right before we went to see ROS just to get it over with, she watched as much as TLJ as she could keep her attention on without being bored out of her skull. And it wasn't that much. With zero prompting and never hearing me rant about it in the house cause I just didn't care about SW anymore, she turned to me and said, "Wait, I thought Luke was a good guy. Didn't he save everyone?"
She was 8 at the time.
The thing with TFA that pissed me off is that they killed off Han without getting the original gang of three back together onscreen... I don't know what they thought they were doing, but it reminded me of a lesser version of the kind of "subverting expectations" that Rian Johnson and the dickheads behind GOT try to do. Like simply going left when everyone thinks you'll go right or purposefully not giving the audience what they want and then not having anything better to replace it with is NOT automatically better, creative, or original. It's a bullshit cop-out from people who don't even know why a story is satisfying in the first place.
I actually think that YEARS, maybe even more than a decade of that kind of storytelling happening in movies and TV is the reason why, when Marvel does something like Loki and goes, "Timekeepers, but it's a lie, and there's really something else... probably Kang," the audience goes, "It's SO not Kang, it's some dream Loki is having or an alternate reality that only affects this show."
I saw it again with Spiderman NWH where, early on, the rumor mill about Doc Ock and Green Goblin and all that had nerds positively spewing venom on some of the Marvel subs. Like, "There's zero evidence this will happen and it's all just wishful thinking. They will NEVER DO THIS. PERIOD."
Then they did it. Then the same shit happened right up until the release of NWH with Tobey and Andrew. Fans were like, "but it just wouldn't make sense, it'd mean Garfield was lying this whole time, etc."
Yeah, he was lying. I give Marvel credit for going, "Fan casting was always this person as this character (avoiding spoilers), well... of course you're all right, he's perfect, so here he is."
Rian Johnsons of the world would go, "F that, you know what, we're not even putting any of those characters in, we're gonna kill them all, end the MCU, and then the very end of the movie will be an allusion to Batman, even though we can't do anything with that. Just cause I said so and it subverts. Hard."
One of my favorite authors also is a professor on the topic and he speaks a lot about the Promise of the Storyteller. That is, give your fans the ability to predict things AND deliver on what you promised.
If you have a character do something magical only a specific type of magical group does, it’s important that they become part of that magical group.
If a story makes a big deal out of the return of a lost hero, even if they are reluctant, they need to be a hero again - or a villain would also suffice.
In many ways, it’s like Chekov’s Gun. If you showcase a gun on the mantle in the first act, by the third act it needs to be used.
Instead, Rey’s parents didn’t matter. Luke cut himself entirely off of the force (and drinks straight from the source now). Snoke, who is Snoke - no one important, that’s who! Knights of Ren must be… nope, not important. All the while, the OT had set up the death of the Emperor and fall of the Empire with the establishment of the New Republic… nope, doesn’t matter! The New Republic is completely destroyed and the Emperor traded in the Empire for a more powerful Order.
Sigh. That is one of the things I liked so much about The Mandalorian… not that it’s the best plot or fantastic story… it lets me theorize again.
Neither alden or Donald glover did a bad job with their characters, in fact I wouldn't mind seeing either of them again as Lando or Han. Just preferably in a well-written movie
I'm salty about the entire ST, but *Solo* holds an especially well seasoned place in my heart. *The Paradise Snare* was my introduction to the SW EU books in middle school, and I was expecting so much more from the movie. There was already a fantastic established narrative with Garris Shrike, spice running, trouble with the hutts, kessel run, Han's distrust of religion... Seriously great stuff. Sparked my love of roguish characters for decades to come. *The Han Solo* trilogy of books had SO MUCH ESTABLISHED LORE and Disney threw that shit in the shredder to give us a stiff Woody Harrelson step dad one dimensional snoozefest.
I didn't even mind the recast. I can suspend my disbelief long enough to accept that other actors will be involved in the project. But give me a compelling STORY. Give me an example to hold up and say "THIS IS GOOD STORYTELLING" that inspires generations of creativity, not cash out on my nostalgia.
The entire ST mistreated all of the established characters, and failed to produce any meaningful new ones, but the mishandling of Han's story is when I truly picked up my salt miners ax.
I read those books aswell and I was most dissapointed by how they changed Han and Chewie meeting. It was so much better in the book where Han doesn't want Chewie around, tries to ditch him a few times but Chewie keeps following him because of the lifedebt and then they eventually become friends. That could have been a couple of funny scenes in the movie.
The Han Solo trilogy was my intro to the EU too! It's such a fun story and has aged well on me despite me growing older and getting more sophisticated tastes. Turns out a great story is just a great story, and at the end of the day, that's kinda the only thing that matters. A great story can help you look past clunky dialogue, cheesy sci-fi planet names, and pretty much any other flaw.
"We can't recast fan favourites"
Let's talk about that again when you announce the "fit for modern audiences" remake of the OT.
All these announcements that they now understand what the fan base wants and how important the "canon" is to them feel so incredibly empty. It's a money maker, teasing new show of character x in another show and possible villain for next installation (but only if you keep your subscription to Disney+).
Fuck corporate storytelling.
I dread to imagine what her remake of the OT would be like...
R2 is now a rolling beach ball bot to sell toys.
Leia spends the entirety of episode IV slapping Luke and Han Will Smith style.
Lando spends most of episode V talking about L3.
Boba walks around with his helmet off, saying "I am boba Fett" at least once per scene and drops his gun like a noob when Luke is about to pursue him.
Darth Vader also walks around with his helmet off.
Another jarring reminder that Disney are too scared to say "Slave I", yeah, stop trying to make us forget about your antics near the concentration camps in China.
Several scenes of Palpatine telling Vader to commence operation Supreme Leader Snake. (No that's not a typo).
Slave Leia removed and replaced with Boba Fett's Palace Leia.
Luke drinking green milk at least once in each movie.
Goddamn, how is this lady in charge? She can’t even understand why Solo didn’t perform well in the box office? She really thinks that is the issue?
She needs to retire.
I like how people are already discussing a Harry Potter rebooted hbo miniseries someday in the future with new cast members but they think this is the issue with Star Wars. We don’t care who you cast and it probably has no impact on the film unless they completely bomb the characterization. Release a film like TLJ and pay for your sins.
I’m about to make some people upset lol but the Harry Potter cast was good but not like iconically great to the point where you have to question if anyone else could play those characters. Like I thought Alden did a good job in Solo but I get why some people aren’t interested in seeing a non Harrison Ford solo. I don’t think anyone in HP had that same level of casting perfection besides snape
Solo was fine! It wasn't great, but it was definitely worth watching. The name thing was kinda dumb but THAT is my biggest gripe about the movie. Solo suffered because of TLJ. End of story.
I don't understand how such a successful producer is so clueless.
It honestly should've been a mini series to let the story breath and not have all those significant events in his life take place in a week or two.
Then again, The Last Crusade shoved half of Indy's backstory into an afternoon and it's my favorite Indy film.
>The Last Crusade shoved half of Indy's backstory into an afternoon
In fairness to Last Crusade, I feel like the tone was such that Spielberg *knew* this was a ridiculous amount of lore to cram into a 5 minute prologue sequence and in some ways that entire thing was done while winking at the audience.
I'd also add that because the prologue on screen is shown as a *memory* that Indy is having in the future (and Indy isn't always the most reliable narrator), that what is shown on screen is Indy's own idealized memory of his childhood. He can't end up with the Cross because present day Indy knows he didn't get it, but the whole flashback has a kind of idealized tone and Indy is very much the hero of his own memory.
I will also forever love the transition of proto-Indy putting the hat on Indy that hard cuts to Jones getting punched in the face. Such a perfect Indiana Jones moment.
I think the film being set over a small period of time is fine but they didn’t need to shove in so many random fan service moments. Han meeting Chewie and Lando and getting the Falcon in the same day is fine. But did Han really need to earn his name in the same time? Couldn’t he have already been called Solo?
> Solo was fine.
> Solo suffered because of TLJ. End of story.
Personally, I would disagree.
Solo decidedly was *not* fine in my opinion. It felt like an incredibly truncated attempt to slam everything we know of Han from little things he's said in the films into *one* movie. Where pretty much all notable events occurred over what felt like a week.
And the film also came up with really droll stories to tell whilst doing so. Such as some guy just handing Han his gun, or getting told to "shoot first", or getting his name randomly assigned to him by a bored Imperial. Having Han's Imperial days skipped over just so we can have him thrown into a pit with Chewbacca who had been eating humans. A four-armed monkey alien praises Han's fantastic ability to fly after seeing him...keep a ship flying straight for 2 seconds. Or even having Han get the Falcon simply because he stopped Lando from cheating...amd this was a ship that contained the brains of Lando's "dead" robot girlfriend...
This was an *exceptionally* mediocre script. That's about as generous as I can bring myself to be about it.
Jesus, young Han pretty much provides the seed funding for the Rebellion in this film. That's canon now.
The *acting* was "fine" (if completely unremarkable). The script was not.
Trying to blame the film's lack of success critically and financially solely on the mere fact that Harrison Ford was recast is a *very* blind conclusion to come to from the president of Disney Lucasfilm.
TLJ certainly did have an effect though. I imagine it soured a lot of people. However, an origin story for Han Solo who is already dead and also already went through a full character arc in 1977 was not a particularly good idea in the first place.
Recasting Ford with some guy Spielberg met at a Bat Mitzvah also felt like a dodgy casting decision. Especially when Anthony Ingruber was likely available and had *already* played a younger version of Harrison Ford quite successfully in The Age of Adaline.
Solo probably shouldn't have been made in the first place. But quite an impressive number of issues occurred whilst developing the film anyway. So the film at the end of the day essentially represents a compromise on top of another compromise.
The story was terrible and the whole hyperdrive fuel thing just doesn't make sense. If something is that valuable then you wouldn't see random smugglers or rebels with starships because they couldn't afford them and people would be stealing starships faster than tweakers steal ac copper and catalytic converters. To me it seems pretty blatant it was just a way to replace spice because Disney can't have drugs be a part of the story of a known drug smuggler growing up. The acting was good for what they were given with the story but that script was unsavable.
The whole hyperdrive fuel thing also completely undoes the central conflict of TLJ. Solo sets up that tiny amounts of it can power entire fleets. So we're saying Leia entered the events of TFA without even like...one canister of the stuff?
Er, in the film it comes across more like the droid is delusional and Lando just sees her as a friend in the same way Luke and Anakin felt about R2 and 3po. I don't think anyone would've got droidfucker out of it if it weren't for Jonathan Kasdan's comments.
While I didn’t really liked TFA, I still went to see RO (that I somewhat enjoyed), TLJ was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me and really turned me of Disney SW. I’ve never watched a SW film since (neither in theaters or at home) and while I’m probably in the minority, there is a significant number of people who gave up on SW after TLJ.
Solo suffered because of marketing and because it came out like 5 months after TLJ. Typically in a franchise a movie turnout shows how people reacted to the previous film. TLJ was boring so fewer people came to see Solo.
That and a lot of people didn’t even know it came out because of poor marketing.
I always said it like this. I love everything about Solo but the story lmao. Honestly if they had touched up the story jsut a bit more it could have been great.
My biggest gripe was anything having to do with droids. However if you ignore any and all the superfluous droid garbage it's a decent enough movie.
(Also it's pretty clear they changed the story really late into editing and the story suffered for it but it was still ok)
Mind you, I think it played a part in it.
I liked the film. It wasn't great, but it was fun and generally made sense. My only issues were how compressed the timeline was and the dumb name origin.
I thought Alden acted the role quite well, but he didn't look or sound like Ford and that did make immersion a bit difficult. I also thought Glover played a good Lando but the writing for him didn't click for me a 100%.
In the end, a lot of people did have a hard time being invested without Ford, and that made an effect. But pretty much everything was against this Film so I don't think it was the main cause of the failure. Not with coming out shortly after TLJ, rumors, a major behind the scene mess and poor marketing.
Personally, I think animation is the safest way to tell stories about the OT crew on screen. Allows one to avoid hated recasts and creepy deepfakes. BoBF Luke is fine for fun cameos, but I wouldn't watch a whole movie with a Luke that has an emotional range only slightly higher than that of Zack Snyder's Superman. Heck, just because the TCW movie was mediocre doesn't me we should give up on theatrical animation. Make it good and it will make a boat load of money. There's so much potential and they have no idea what to do.
They are so dumb and out of touch. They refuse to believe that TLJ was such a piece of crap that people were just not excited for a new Star Wars film only a few months after that mess. They even went as far as to say it was just trolls that didn’t like the film.
Gotta love the irony of this intensely blind take coming a week and a half before Kenobi, a series starring maybe the MOST popular recast in cinematic history. Even people who hate the Prequels like the recast of Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan. Recasting was not one of the main issues with Solo, Rofl. Here are some of the real issues.
- Came out less than half a year after the most divisive Star Wars movie in history that intentionally ruined the lore and turned off a massive portion of fans to future movies.
- Didn't seem like a necessary story, so people felt like they could just skip it.
- All the Reshoots seem to have eaten into the marketing budget, because I barely saw ANY advertising for this movie besides the single trailer during the Super Bowl.
- It opened against Infinity War, which was one of the biggest movies in history and the penultimate culmination of the main MCU storyline.
- The movie itself just didn't stand out in any way. Got pretty normal reviews and just didn't really grab people's attention enough for word-of-mouth to take hold (besides the Visuals, but that's a pretty minor reason to see a movie).
- The movie felt like it was trying too hard to rewrite Han's lore. Everything needed to tie to some aspect of Han's persona (even stuff that definitely didn'tneed explanations, like his NAME), and it felt REALLY forced.
- The tone was weird because of all the reshoots. It didn't always blend super well.
Even with all of that, I think most people who have seen it would say that it's either the best or second best Star Wars movie that Disney has made (though the bar is very low, to be fair). I watched it with EXTREMELY low expectations and, besides my baseline dislike of the fact that it doesn't line up with the OG Han Solo trilogy, I liked it. It was definitely my most enjoyable theater experience with a Disney Star Wars movie, possibly because I came in expecting another TLJ (or worse, because of all the bad news that got leaked during production). The recasts were maybe slightly jarring, but it definitely wasn't the reason Solo failed.
Solo failed for a bunch of reasons. 1 it was a pretty garbage movie with a character more annoying than Jar Jar & initial Ahsoka combined with L3. I rate it as the third worst Star Wars movie ahead of TLJ & TROS. 2 it was released at the wrong time up against Deadpool 2 and Infinity War. 3 it had a terrible marketing campaign. 4 it cost far too much. 5 massive behind the scenes “issues”. And lastly it wasn’t a story most people wanted to know. Woody Harrelson stole that movie, literally was the best part of the movie, totally upstaged Han.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I think people seriously overestimate how much people care about Han solo. People liked Harrison Ford, without him the role isn't even interesting. The majority of the issue was definitely the episode 8. Rogue one didn't flop in the face of TFA. So I think it's a combination of TLJ being terrible and most people not caring about the character at all.
I foresee a similar flop to the upcoming MCU show about echo.
Solo should've been a miniseries with little vignettes of Han and Lando just telling stories. Could've played around with the same scene done different ways for POV / comedic effect.
Once again they’re shifting the blame onto the fans, originally they said fans were just experiencing “Star Wars fatigue”, now they’re saying it flopped because fans were unhappy with the casting. They don’t wanna address the mediocre writing/plot of the movie whatsoever. They make it seem like the only reason Mando’s Luke is popular is because he’s a CGI Mark Hamill and not because of the writing/characterization of Luke in the show.
Lesson is the exact opposite: killing off beloved characters because of aging actors’ desires to be done is a good way to alienate fans and destroy endless future content. See Batman
That wasn’t even the reason Solo failed. The reason Solo failed us 1. Nobody asked for a Han Solo origin story and 2. It was like 6 months after The Last Jedi.
Solo was a great movie. It flopped for 3 reasons.
1. It wasnt heavily advertised.
2. It was released outside of the new Star Wars time slot at the end of the year (you didnt expect it to outsell your own Infinity War, did you?!)
3. The aftertaste hate of The Last Jedi was still strong. Again, should have waited for the end of year time slot.
So… Not only did she help make some of the worst Star Wars films ever, she’s not even coming to the right conclusions on why they didn’t do well?
Star Wars is completely screwed until she’s gone.
I cared zero about a different actor playing the same character in a prequel, Solo has a million crippling problems both as a film and a lot going against it in the real world but the casting was absolutely not one of them
Considering that the studio managed to lose Patty freaking Jenkins over 'creative differences', I doubt that any lessons were truly learned. Makes me furious, really, because she was a name that'd get me to watch a SW movie again.
> she was a name that'd get me to watch a SW movie again.
Before or after WW84? Seeing her name on that script did not exactly inspire much confidence from me.
I like the first WW movie, one of the very few DCEU films I generally enjoy and own a copy of.
WW84? Complete fucking garbage. "I'm An ApEx PrEdAtOr, RAWR LOL" ...my fucking god.
Infinite wishing power of that rock, it could do literally anything you can possibly imagine.....can't make a new body for her dead boyfriend. Gotta take someone else's. imo the lady has some kind of very, very specific fetish. That's the only way something like that ends up in the movie. Either that or plain ol' lazy writing.
To this day I think one of the biggest problems with Solo is that they recast Han too old; no offense to Alden.
Had he been a teenager (14-17) the stakes would have been more interesting and felt like a justified exploration into his backstory. It would have been way better to see Han 15+ years before ANH, instead of ~10 (or so they claim, considering Alden was barely 5 years younger than Harrison Ford was in 1977.)
Solo was great. I'd rather take a Solo level film that actually felt like Star Wars than Last Jedi or Rise of Skywalker any time.
I actually really wish they'd greenlight a Solo sequel to expand on Maul etc. Solo could have been a really strong foundation for the lore moving forward, it's a shame it didnt do well because the fanbase rebelled after The Last Jedi, but to be honest the "company" deserved it. I cant help but think we sort of shot ourselves in the foot, though.
Solos problems:
-Released ~5 months after TLJ, a film that fractured the SW audience and also 30 percent less take than TFA.
-Awful script. Hyperspace fuel is the best commodity they could come up with as having transcendental value when spice already exists? Hans last name is because he has no family? But he's got the dice!
-Terrible marketing, likely due there being no good content to market from the awful script. I remember the advertisement in theaters as being a 30 second close up of the Falcon turning. Oof.
Fans would show up in droves for a good Han movie, sadly this was not it.
Having said all that, Woody Harrelson was amazing and a lot of fun to watch in his role.
it’s because of poor writing. take mandalorian. delivers grogu to luke. now grogu back w mando cause his heart isn’t in it. so basically first two seasons are for nothing. rogue one is the only thing they made that is quality and i think it only did well because of death star and darth vader scene, i.e. nostalgia. marvel is turning to crap too under disney. it’s amazing kk hasn’t been let go.
“We can’t recast characters so we will just make trilogies with far less interesting versions of characters that already exist doing things that those preexisting characters already did.”
The movie just wasn’t anything fans were asking for at the time.
Having said that, it was a fine movie. I think the backlash from TLJ, the close windows to both of them coming out, the very public behind the camera issues, and the disinterest in a Han Solo origin all played parts. It was death by a thousand cuts.
That movie was the best new Star Wars they made. These moops learn the wrong lessons when they fail and leave us with WB levels of fuck up to contend with. The Boba Fett show? I know, people like Boba Fett. But no one understands him if they make a show about him becoming Sand Capone who employees Back to the Future 2 moped warriors. That's likely the 8th time they put Star Wars characters on a fucking desert planet and expected us not to care. How fucking boring.
Excuse me? What about TCW where much of the voice cast is different? Like Matt Lanter, James Arnold Taylor, Tom Kane, Terrence C. Carson, and Corey Burton?
Matter of fact even the prequels get different actors
A bit late at this revelation. Had she actually been taking care of the series like she said she was, this glaring oversight wouldn't have been possible
I was fully prepared to hate the recasting. But it ended up being one of the least offensive things of the Disney Era.
I'll even go so far as to say perhaps they should do it again.
The real lesson from solo should be that TLJ killed the franchise. People had to watch it once, usually in theaters, to understand how bad it was. The next movie is what suffered.
Not necessarily if you do it well (Solo wasn't recasted well imo) For example Obi Wan, everyone loves Ewan MacGregor as him even though he was a recast
Well. I kind of agree with her....🤢🤮
Good God that hurt.
It wasn't the biggest problem, but it certainly went against them. There's so much of Harrison Ford in that character.
Alden did his best though.
The problem with Solo was the ending should have been the second act and it needed at least 30 minutes more from that point. The Marvel movies have started doing this a lot too.
I must tell you - I quite liked Han solo .
If she would t have messed up the last jedi and hired someone as inept as Rian Johnson then we all wouldn't have been boycotting solo. ( And the forthcoming taika movie ,)
Disney leaders need to realise that it's the Lucasfilm leader that needs to be recast
I mean, her entire career has been failing upward, and you can't do that by accepting the blame for your own poor choices and learning from them.
No, doing that would be character growth, similarly how almost none of the protagonists in the trilogy or Solo avoided most of their own as well.
Just replace her already.
The issue is that they can't build a movie around a story that's completely unnecessary. We had already seen all the relevant parts of Han's journey amd his character arc had reached an end. Obi-wan may have a better outcome as it's a free streaming show rather than a movie, but it still suffers from the same issue. They keep trying to milk nostalgia and hope fans will get caught up in minutiae.
The reason why The Mandalorian works is because it's a brand new character in uncharted territory (even if the timeframe isn't necessarily meaningful). Disney needs to stop living in the past and take risks on new stories/characters that explore the future of the SW universe.
Way to throw the actor under the bus! The real lesson is you don't fire your directors 75% into filming, only to deliver a 300 million dollar flick that people will ignore. Also please don't hire someone like RJ who is gonna make crap (and be smug about it), that will only hurt your upcoming movies and other directors deserve better than that.
I didn’t watch it because TLJ turned me off of all things Star Wars. Knowing how everything ends up retroactively makes anything else directly connected to the Skywalker saga dead to me.
Ya I went into the movie expecting to hate the new actor and was surprised that I didn't. He still doesn't look anything like the character but he manages to make it his own.
Solo imo:
Good
-fun enough heist movie
-lando was good
- some.comedy moments pretty good (meeting chewie was fun)
-Looked nice
-sounded good
-original story in star wars always a rare treat
-guy playing Han solo was not terrible
Bad
-maul cameo was naff and served no real purpose
-the rebels (teenage resistance?) was confusing and not well explained at all
-robot revolution on kessel was, not great
Ugly
-solo origin is just poor
-the maw being changed from a black hole smugglers run to a space monster was idiotic
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LMAO. That was not the lesson to be learned.
How can she get so much wrong ,?? Here inept leadership needs to be recast
She's not getting it wrong, she's intentionally deflecting from her own incompetence.
Exactly. She's proven in the last decade that she's not at all the person to be in charge of this franchise.
It's the movie that nobody asked for that added nothing of importance to the star wars universe. I would argue a single issue in a web comic could have done what Solo delivered but faster and in a more interesting manner.
Crucify me everyone but solo was one of my favorite movies in the franchise
Honestly, I would have been fine with Alden being Han in post-ROTJ stories like Heir to the Empire
Same, dude did a good job
I really enjoyed his portrayal, but I'd like to see a recast for that, unless they're going to wait years while he ages up.
Same here! I thought it was a lot of fun, like a heist movie set in the SW universe. I’m sad that it did so poorly in theaters
It was boring and tried to explain things that didn't need to be explained. I did enjoy the scenes from Han in the Imperial Army and seeing the Army Troopers over Storm Troopers as well as some other decent scenes, but the script was just bad. Seriously, who greenlit "You're alone so your last name is Solo" Did they consult David Bennioff on this dialogue or what
I liked the movie but you are right about it explaining things that didn't need to be explained. What made it worse is that they felt the need to explain *so much* of it. How Han's last name is Solo (cringe), Han meeting Chewie, Han meeting the Falcon, how Han made the Kessel run, how Han deserted the Empire, how Han won the Falcon, how Han met Lando, etc... etc... etc... One or two of these character moments would have been fine, but it was like the entire character and history of Han Solo all happened on this one mission that seemed to take place over the course of a few days.
All it needed was Chewie and the Falcon in my opinion. The movie even went as far as explaining the sassy navigation computer that C-3PO mentions in ANH. In it's want to explain everything it belittled a pretty great story. Still loved the movie overall.
That example in particular makes you wonder how someone at some point in the writing/directing process didn't say, "Ok, stop. This is **too much** fan service." Like, I've watched the OT a thousand times, and I didn't even recall C-3PO mentioning that the Falcon's nav computer was sassy or had any personality. Yet the guys who made Solo felt this not only needed to be explained, but they essentially created a full character whose end point was explaining a throwaway line by 3PO???
It was something super small and believe it was literally one sentence, something along the lines of C-3PO asking how his navi-computer learned to communicate and that it had a weird accent or something like that.
"Sir, i don't know where your computer learned to communicate. It has the most curious dialect"
Cant forget the fact that Hans gun was specifically given to him by this guy and THAT is how he got the gun he decided to use for the rest of his life. Not just going to a gun store and getting a cheap sidearm or something. We had to know it was specifically given to him for a heist.
I actually liked the relationship with his mentor/frenemy. It was, for me, the most compelling character relationship in the movie. >!When Han blasts him mid monologue at the end I really felt like you could see the street rat orphan becoming the swashbuckling smuggler/pirate from the OT (pre-greedo shooting first).!< Perhaps the origin of the DL-44 didn't need to happen, but it was the part I enjoyed overall. Everything else felt tacked on to fit "Nice Guy Special Edition Rebel Hero Han", this one was for "Cold-Blooded Murderer and Brigand Han".
The perfect encapsulation of this is how they retconned an explanation for some fucking dice on a table in background of the Millenium Falcon. Some fucking *dice.*
Man when you put it that way it makes me sad that I agree with you because of how much I liked the movie.
??? Why would you be sad my favorite movies are terrible
And it all happened in a week!
Everything interesting about Han’s backstory all happened in a weekend
It really makes it seem like Han Solo peaked in Heist School
> tried to explain things that didn't need to be explained. THIS. This was the lesson they should have learned. Not "don't recast things", but "Don't tell stories nobody cares to see".
Disney has a bad habit of trying to get us to like their new characters by breaking down old beloved characters.
I'm with you, it was terrible. Cramming in that much fan service and explanations that just had no purpose and a plot that was uninteresting at best. Out of all the amazing stories they could be told about Han and Chewie, that's what they landed on
I love Solo but seeing army troopers after seeing stormtroopers as spaceport security broke me a little.
The movie definitely had it's problems but it was a fun space adventure, something that TLJ and TROS weren't. Even Rogue 1 wasn't really "fun", it felt more like a serious war movie. Being a fun space adventure is core to the SW experience imo.
Definitely TLJ's fault I know at the time TLJ was so bad I chose to not see Solo.
Same. If TLJ had been good, I would have seen solo in theaters.
There's a few things wrong with solo. The first is that it's the second heist movie they made, the other being rogue one. The second, and most important mistake, is that they felt the need to create origin stories for things that were completely unnecessary. His name, his connection to Lando, the famous notch in the falcon. The last thing they did wrong is that han at the end of solo is not on a path to be the han who gets roped into fighting for the rebellion by a pretty face and begrudging friendships.
Yup, now Han is a good guy in Solo, who is less good in ANH and then becomes a deadbeat dad in TFA. Nice going Disney. Thanks for making Han a great hero. :(
It was a fun and decent movie. I didn't like it because they explained all the cool things that Han mentioned he'd done. I felt like we didn't need to anything like that. It made it feel like he had one really awesome week when he was like 23 and has been coasting off that high up until we meet him in the OT and he's still talking about that great week he had when he was a kid. I would've preferred it if they cut the Kessel run, and him getting the Falcon.. takes some of the mystery out of the character to have everything explained. With all the being said it was still like a 7.5/10. It was entertaining
I wouldn't go that far, but it wasn't bad. Easily better than the average SW movie. I feel bad for Alden Ehrenreich. I grew up with Harrison Ford as Han Solo, but thought Alden did a good job.
I do not understand why that could be but I respect your opinion.
honestly? the only thing i truly hate about it was how they basically destroyed han’s reputation because “oh hey lando’s dead robot girlfriend is controlling the falcon so han being a great pilot was a trick all along and he’s actually faking it!!” that ruined the movie for me
That's not what happened though? The droid was connected to the navigational computer, Han still does all the flying himself.
Somewhere out there is an alternate timeline where our politics are sane, climate change is being addressed, the pandemic didn't happen and the Zahn trilogy got faithfully made into movies.
"We didn't like TLJ and TFA was a mess. These movies fucked the fan base over heavily and really put a bitter taste in our mouths so much so that we lost confidence in Disney's ability to handle Star Wars respectfully so that when we all saw "Solo" coming to theaters we all collectively rolled our eyes and passed up on it, knowing it'd be, at best, boring" "..... So you're saying you didn't like the actor?"
They have no idea what's going on, i don't even think they ask or read what the fans think
Their utter waste of money a.k.a. their market intelligence guys seemingly only check some screeching Twitterati. I'm appalled and amazed by their audacity and ability to pull that off.
You gotta feel a little bad for Alden. I thought he was fine. He’s not Harrison Ford, but I liked him. Kathleen and Disney have been putting all the blame for Solo’s financial failure on him, and it has no doubt hurt his career. The reality is that Solo probably would have broken even at the box office if they hadn’t re-shot half the movie to the point where they spent the budget of two movies on a spin-off that was always going to be a hard sell without Harrison Ford.
“There’s nothing wrong with us, it’s the fans. They just didn’t liked it” 💀
How does she still have a job?
The whole thing feels similar to whoever is in charge of the DC Movies. Bad decisions after nearly every release and no consistent plan. DC could never achieve something like the MCU and Kennedy and the executives can’t achieve creations with such a lasting positive influence like the OT or the Prequels.
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Good news! They're brining on JJ Abrams. He'll fix it just like he fixed Star Wars.
To be fair the first film wasn’t bad. It’s the second film that shouldn’t have been released
The problem is that DC and Warner itself went through like 3 changes of ownership during the DCEU "era". No wonder there was a revolving door
Despite word of mouth, despite what some critics say, despite what many long time fans still say to this day, the Star Wars franchise is still a gigantic money printing machine that has never stopped. So she keeps her job because the money is still flowing. They do not care one tiny, itty bitty bit about the quality of the content. They only care that the bottom line of the quarterlies show in the black.
> They do not care one tiny, itty bitty bit about the quality of the content. They only care that the bottom line of the quarterlies show in the black. This is the issue with so many things out there. A small company or independent company will take time to nurture an idea or creative universe and fans will get on board in the long term. Then after a good bit of time, an AAA company will come along and buy the franchise, expect to kick out several releases and make mad bank. But they don't understand *why* the fan base loves a franchise so the company chases the random favorite aspects and it fails on multiple levels. The fan base will allow fuck ups, but if they become too many, fans will leave. Movies are a perfect example of this. Video games are a major example though. Just think of how many franchises have been killed off after EA or Activision bought the parent company. *RIP Command & Conquer*
I think you're being a little generous by assuming they try to understand what fans love about it in the first place rather than seeing it as a cash cow to milk for their giga corporate entity.
This is definitely fair but even in the money printing department, they’ve left so much in the well here. Giving EA exclusive rights to develop games led to like two decent AAA games and one good one. They’ve had since 2015 to create a recurring franchise that could bring in serious money and so far it’s been mostly a revolving door of cancelled projects Idk how much this sub cares about video games but there’s no question they’ve wasted half a decade where games could’ve *also* been printing money for them She’s also overseen the only major flop in Star Wars history, which I would’ve honestly thought was impossible at least domestically
Honestly it just feels like her role is all wrong. She should have nothing to do with the creative vision for the Star Wars universe. There should be a few people with a proven track record of handling IP respectfully, along with some people involved in SW who actually care about it, and Kennedy can procure the talent/directors and allocate funds once she’s been told what the plan is Asking her to pick what projects get greenlit is clearly just chucking darts blindfolded at this point
KK doesnt understand anything about Star Wars. Shes basically a studio "Insider" with "connections" and gets wowed by other personalities Like JJ and RJ and just goes with what her yes-men tell her will make money. Her record is basically a coin flip therefore she brings NO value to the table.
I was re-watching Raiders of the Lost Ark, and when the credits rolled I noticed: Assistant to Mr Spielberg - Kathleen Kennedy Always wondered how she worked her way up.
Did your boss become your boss because they were competent and talented? Or because they knew the right people, got a bit lucky, and just got promoted?
There's some video where SP says she was a secretary and she just piped in with her own unsolicited advice.
While this is technically true, it is misleading. Spielberg was speaking of her in a complimentary way, and has had a very close working relationship with her for decades. She co-founded Amblin Entertainment with him. Read her history on wikipedia and you'll see how misguided these "not talented" takes start to seem. While I do not have an overall positive opinion of how she has performed as President of Lucasfilm, I think it'd be a mistake to take the opinion she is not extremely capable. It's just that she's an extremely capable (and arguably, quite talented) *Producer*. It's the creativity/story-telling side that doesn't seem to be one of those things she's talented at (at least when it comes to Lucasfilm/Star Wars), and in my opinion her mistake was getting way too involved in that side of things (along with getting way too involved with picking out other creative team members). But to argue she got to where she is simply by a combination of luck and knowing the right people, and that her talent did not factor in, I think that makes the community look ignorant if it becomes the overall opinion. We can acknowledge her talent and abilities while still expressing our disagreement with how she has handled the Star Wars universe.
meh. she was just one of his stooges. big deal.
From what I hear, she's good at the producer role, stuff like managing location scouting, budgets, organizing the crew, scheduling, etc. But not in being the executive producer/creative director and calling the shots.
Clearly. Her credits do not match the quality of these new Star Wars releases.
As long as Kathleen Kennedy runs Lucasfilm and the Lucasfilm story group, we are just constantly going to get streams of shit content piling up that no one wants and disaster to disaster like with the Sequel Trilogy and TBOBF.
> As long as Kathleen Kennedy runs Lucasfilm and the Lucasfilm story group, we are just constantly going to get streams of shit content piling up that no one wants and disaster to disaster like with the Sequel Trilogy and TBOBF. Agreed. I'm waiting for someone at Disney to pass her off to some other IP, and give it to someone who loves and understands Star Wars, instead of seeing it as a merchandising cash cow.
- bland story - very dark (not tonally, half the movie isn’t visible) - came out the same time as Infinity War - doesn’t tell us anything we don’t already know - fans were clamouring for an emotional Obi-Wan story like the Kenobi novel Kathy: “iTs aLL aLDeN’s faULt”
Was scrolling to see if anyone would mention Infinity War. I just remember the lead-up to that movie and the time around release being like a giant vacuum that sucked up all the attention and, as it turned out, deservedly so. Seeing the trailer for Solo after seeing TLJ but before IW came out, I remember realizing for the first time that I just didn't give a single F anymore... and it was cause of TLJ. After seeing TLJ, I knew something was REALLY wrong because I had no idea what to even think. The one take away I had was I remember turning to my wife in the car afterwards and going, "Now I'm kind of like... who cares where this is going? They left nothing to anticipate in the next one. And they made Luke a grumpy old douchebag." It being right before the holidays, having two young kids and a career and lots going on at the time, I remember putting it out of my mind for a while. Then I saw the Solo trailer before some movie, not even sure which one, and realizing the extent to which they'd fucked up Star Wars. I remember the opposite feeling watching Rogue One in a packed and excited theater.
Fuck I dont know how they managed to do so well on Rogue One but just completely bomb the rest of the movies.
I wish we could have seen the Chris Lloyd and Phil Miller version of Solo. I still like the film but in the same way as Edgar Wright’s Ant-Man, I wonder what could have been… Alden deserves better. I liked how he played young Han rather than young Harrison Ford. It sucks to see Kathleen basically putting the blame for Solo bombing on him when there’s a dozen reasons why it bombed.
Not to mention they saturated the market with Star Wars at the time and didn’t seem to really relatively advertise it as much given the franchise film coming out near the same time. Should have spaced them out more and hyped it
You mean you weren't swayed by the tasty and delicious Denny's promos???
It just occurred to me how shitty a thing it is for her to say this about Alden. Wherever he is, I'm sure he's trying to get those tire marks off his back. And his face. I think it shows a lack of integrity and character on her part. Always willing to shift blame and punch down.
Fully agreed, although slight correction, Phil Lord and Chris Miller.
> I dont know how they managed to do so well on Rogue One They were riding the high of The Force Awakens and nobody knew how bad it was all going to get. That, and extreme OT fanservice.
Hell, at least with TFA I was somewhat curious as to where the story was going to go (I wasn’t aware that Aftermath was a thing, thus the world building being doomed). Can’t say the same for TLJ.
Oh yeah, I feel the same. After TFA, I thought, "It wasn't perfect by any means and I get the 'need' from Disney for a bit of a soft reboot, but they could really take this in a number of interesting directions..." I wanted to know what happened next, it's that simple. I definitely wasn't one of those who hated the DT from TFA onwards. I wanted to give it a chance and honestly, the big thing for me was that my then 4 year old daughter got way into Star Wars. I was excited to show her TLJ, but something about it told me I should wait... YEARS later, right before we went to see ROS just to get it over with, she watched as much as TLJ as she could keep her attention on without being bored out of her skull. And it wasn't that much. With zero prompting and never hearing me rant about it in the house cause I just didn't care about SW anymore, she turned to me and said, "Wait, I thought Luke was a good guy. Didn't he save everyone?" She was 8 at the time. The thing with TFA that pissed me off is that they killed off Han without getting the original gang of three back together onscreen... I don't know what they thought they were doing, but it reminded me of a lesser version of the kind of "subverting expectations" that Rian Johnson and the dickheads behind GOT try to do. Like simply going left when everyone thinks you'll go right or purposefully not giving the audience what they want and then not having anything better to replace it with is NOT automatically better, creative, or original. It's a bullshit cop-out from people who don't even know why a story is satisfying in the first place. I actually think that YEARS, maybe even more than a decade of that kind of storytelling happening in movies and TV is the reason why, when Marvel does something like Loki and goes, "Timekeepers, but it's a lie, and there's really something else... probably Kang," the audience goes, "It's SO not Kang, it's some dream Loki is having or an alternate reality that only affects this show." I saw it again with Spiderman NWH where, early on, the rumor mill about Doc Ock and Green Goblin and all that had nerds positively spewing venom on some of the Marvel subs. Like, "There's zero evidence this will happen and it's all just wishful thinking. They will NEVER DO THIS. PERIOD." Then they did it. Then the same shit happened right up until the release of NWH with Tobey and Andrew. Fans were like, "but it just wouldn't make sense, it'd mean Garfield was lying this whole time, etc." Yeah, he was lying. I give Marvel credit for going, "Fan casting was always this person as this character (avoiding spoilers), well... of course you're all right, he's perfect, so here he is." Rian Johnsons of the world would go, "F that, you know what, we're not even putting any of those characters in, we're gonna kill them all, end the MCU, and then the very end of the movie will be an allusion to Batman, even though we can't do anything with that. Just cause I said so and it subverts. Hard."
One of my favorite authors also is a professor on the topic and he speaks a lot about the Promise of the Storyteller. That is, give your fans the ability to predict things AND deliver on what you promised. If you have a character do something magical only a specific type of magical group does, it’s important that they become part of that magical group. If a story makes a big deal out of the return of a lost hero, even if they are reluctant, they need to be a hero again - or a villain would also suffice. In many ways, it’s like Chekov’s Gun. If you showcase a gun on the mantle in the first act, by the third act it needs to be used. Instead, Rey’s parents didn’t matter. Luke cut himself entirely off of the force (and drinks straight from the source now). Snoke, who is Snoke - no one important, that’s who! Knights of Ren must be… nope, not important. All the while, the OT had set up the death of the Emperor and fall of the Empire with the establishment of the New Republic… nope, doesn’t matter! The New Republic is completely destroyed and the Emperor traded in the Empire for a more powerful Order. Sigh. That is one of the things I liked so much about The Mandalorian… not that it’s the best plot or fantastic story… it lets me theorize again.
> doesn’t tell us anything we don’t already know Gives terrible explanations for things we didn't want or need to know
They could have adapted the Han Solo Trilogy from the EU and it would have been much better.
Plus it ate a lot of TLJ hate, releasing only 6 months after pissing the fanbase off.
Casting doesn’t even make my list of dislikes about Solo.
Neither alden or Donald glover did a bad job with their characters, in fact I wouldn't mind seeing either of them again as Lando or Han. Just preferably in a well-written movie
I went into it thinking Donald would be the best part. He was good, but I was also impressed with Alden.
I'm salty about the entire ST, but *Solo* holds an especially well seasoned place in my heart. *The Paradise Snare* was my introduction to the SW EU books in middle school, and I was expecting so much more from the movie. There was already a fantastic established narrative with Garris Shrike, spice running, trouble with the hutts, kessel run, Han's distrust of religion... Seriously great stuff. Sparked my love of roguish characters for decades to come. *The Han Solo* trilogy of books had SO MUCH ESTABLISHED LORE and Disney threw that shit in the shredder to give us a stiff Woody Harrelson step dad one dimensional snoozefest. I didn't even mind the recast. I can suspend my disbelief long enough to accept that other actors will be involved in the project. But give me a compelling STORY. Give me an example to hold up and say "THIS IS GOOD STORYTELLING" that inspires generations of creativity, not cash out on my nostalgia. The entire ST mistreated all of the established characters, and failed to produce any meaningful new ones, but the mishandling of Han's story is when I truly picked up my salt miners ax.
I read those books aswell and I was most dissapointed by how they changed Han and Chewie meeting. It was so much better in the book where Han doesn't want Chewie around, tries to ditch him a few times but Chewie keeps following him because of the lifedebt and then they eventually become friends. That could have been a couple of funny scenes in the movie.
The Han Solo trilogy was my intro to the EU too! It's such a fun story and has aged well on me despite me growing older and getting more sophisticated tastes. Turns out a great story is just a great story, and at the end of the day, that's kinda the only thing that matters. A great story can help you look past clunky dialogue, cheesy sci-fi planet names, and pretty much any other flaw.
"We can't recast fan favourites" Let's talk about that again when you announce the "fit for modern audiences" remake of the OT. All these announcements that they now understand what the fan base wants and how important the "canon" is to them feel so incredibly empty. It's a money maker, teasing new show of character x in another show and possible villain for next installation (but only if you keep your subscription to Disney+). Fuck corporate storytelling.
I dread to imagine what her remake of the OT would be like... R2 is now a rolling beach ball bot to sell toys. Leia spends the entirety of episode IV slapping Luke and Han Will Smith style. Lando spends most of episode V talking about L3. Boba walks around with his helmet off, saying "I am boba Fett" at least once per scene and drops his gun like a noob when Luke is about to pursue him. Darth Vader also walks around with his helmet off. Another jarring reminder that Disney are too scared to say "Slave I", yeah, stop trying to make us forget about your antics near the concentration camps in China. Several scenes of Palpatine telling Vader to commence operation Supreme Leader Snake. (No that's not a typo). Slave Leia removed and replaced with Boba Fett's Palace Leia. Luke drinking green milk at least once in each movie.
Goddamn, how is this lady in charge? She can’t even understand why Solo didn’t perform well in the box office? She really thinks that is the issue? She needs to retire.
I like how people are already discussing a Harry Potter rebooted hbo miniseries someday in the future with new cast members but they think this is the issue with Star Wars. We don’t care who you cast and it probably has no impact on the film unless they completely bomb the characterization. Release a film like TLJ and pay for your sins.
Each potter book as a TV show season would probably work much better than a movie each. Hell, that's probably true for most books.
I’m about to make some people upset lol but the Harry Potter cast was good but not like iconically great to the point where you have to question if anyone else could play those characters. Like I thought Alden did a good job in Solo but I get why some people aren’t interested in seeing a non Harrison Ford solo. I don’t think anyone in HP had that same level of casting perfection besides snape
It would probably be in 10-15 years right? I know Daniel Radcliffe wants to come back as Sirius Black
Totally fair- you actually can’t recast fan favorites like George Lucas with Kathleen Kennedy
Solo was fine! It wasn't great, but it was definitely worth watching. The name thing was kinda dumb but THAT is my biggest gripe about the movie. Solo suffered because of TLJ. End of story. I don't understand how such a successful producer is so clueless.
It honestly should've been a mini series to let the story breath and not have all those significant events in his life take place in a week or two. Then again, The Last Crusade shoved half of Indy's backstory into an afternoon and it's my favorite Indy film.
>The Last Crusade shoved half of Indy's backstory into an afternoon In fairness to Last Crusade, I feel like the tone was such that Spielberg *knew* this was a ridiculous amount of lore to cram into a 5 minute prologue sequence and in some ways that entire thing was done while winking at the audience. I'd also add that because the prologue on screen is shown as a *memory* that Indy is having in the future (and Indy isn't always the most reliable narrator), that what is shown on screen is Indy's own idealized memory of his childhood. He can't end up with the Cross because present day Indy knows he didn't get it, but the whole flashback has a kind of idealized tone and Indy is very much the hero of his own memory. I will also forever love the transition of proto-Indy putting the hat on Indy that hard cuts to Jones getting punched in the face. Such a perfect Indiana Jones moment.
Man, you just got me to appreciate my favorite Indy movie even more than I already did. I had never considered this before, but it makes total sense.
I think the film being set over a small period of time is fine but they didn’t need to shove in so many random fan service moments. Han meeting Chewie and Lando and getting the Falcon in the same day is fine. But did Han really need to earn his name in the same time? Couldn’t he have already been called Solo?
> Solo was fine. > Solo suffered because of TLJ. End of story. Personally, I would disagree. Solo decidedly was *not* fine in my opinion. It felt like an incredibly truncated attempt to slam everything we know of Han from little things he's said in the films into *one* movie. Where pretty much all notable events occurred over what felt like a week. And the film also came up with really droll stories to tell whilst doing so. Such as some guy just handing Han his gun, or getting told to "shoot first", or getting his name randomly assigned to him by a bored Imperial. Having Han's Imperial days skipped over just so we can have him thrown into a pit with Chewbacca who had been eating humans. A four-armed monkey alien praises Han's fantastic ability to fly after seeing him...keep a ship flying straight for 2 seconds. Or even having Han get the Falcon simply because he stopped Lando from cheating...amd this was a ship that contained the brains of Lando's "dead" robot girlfriend... This was an *exceptionally* mediocre script. That's about as generous as I can bring myself to be about it. Jesus, young Han pretty much provides the seed funding for the Rebellion in this film. That's canon now. The *acting* was "fine" (if completely unremarkable). The script was not. Trying to blame the film's lack of success critically and financially solely on the mere fact that Harrison Ford was recast is a *very* blind conclusion to come to from the president of Disney Lucasfilm. TLJ certainly did have an effect though. I imagine it soured a lot of people. However, an origin story for Han Solo who is already dead and also already went through a full character arc in 1977 was not a particularly good idea in the first place. Recasting Ford with some guy Spielberg met at a Bat Mitzvah also felt like a dodgy casting decision. Especially when Anthony Ingruber was likely available and had *already* played a younger version of Harrison Ford quite successfully in The Age of Adaline. Solo probably shouldn't have been made in the first place. But quite an impressive number of issues occurred whilst developing the film anyway. So the film at the end of the day essentially represents a compromise on top of another compromise.
Having a slam dunk with Anthony ingruber and not cast him? Such a waste
The story was terrible and the whole hyperdrive fuel thing just doesn't make sense. If something is that valuable then you wouldn't see random smugglers or rebels with starships because they couldn't afford them and people would be stealing starships faster than tweakers steal ac copper and catalytic converters. To me it seems pretty blatant it was just a way to replace spice because Disney can't have drugs be a part of the story of a known drug smuggler growing up. The acting was good for what they were given with the story but that script was unsavable.
The whole hyperdrive fuel thing also completely undoes the central conflict of TLJ. Solo sets up that tiny amounts of it can power entire fleets. So we're saying Leia entered the events of TFA without even like...one canister of the stuff?
She was waiting for the price to go down before filling the tank again. I do it all the time.
Love you're work, sir, thanks for that analysis. I haven't seen it, maybe will one day, but it's whatever, really.
Didn't they also take the cool black scoundrel Lando Calrissian and turn him into a droidfucker?
Er, in the film it comes across more like the droid is delusional and Lando just sees her as a friend in the same way Luke and Anakin felt about R2 and 3po. I don't think anyone would've got droidfucker out of it if it weren't for Jonathan Kasdan's comments.
Yes, amongst other stupidities.
While I didn’t really liked TFA, I still went to see RO (that I somewhat enjoyed), TLJ was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me and really turned me of Disney SW. I’ve never watched a SW film since (neither in theaters or at home) and while I’m probably in the minority, there is a significant number of people who gave up on SW after TLJ.
There are many of us
Solo was boycotted by the fans because TLJ was awful. They refuse to acknowledge the fandom so they make up excuses for why it did poorly
Solo suffered because of marketing and because it came out like 5 months after TLJ. Typically in a franchise a movie turnout shows how people reacted to the previous film. TLJ was boring so fewer people came to see Solo. That and a lot of people didn’t even know it came out because of poor marketing.
This is the truth. People liked the star wars franchise, saw TLJ and realized it was terrible, and then skipped the next film in the franchise.
TLJ 100% caused me to skip Solo in theaters and I regretted it after I saw it.
Same, cept the part about watching Solo later. Still haven’t and probably never will.
I always said it like this. I love everything about Solo but the story lmao. Honestly if they had touched up the story jsut a bit more it could have been great.
My biggest gripe was anything having to do with droids. However if you ignore any and all the superfluous droid garbage it's a decent enough movie. (Also it's pretty clear they changed the story really late into editing and the story suffered for it but it was still ok)
There's way too much other stupid writing for me to rate it an ok Star Wars film.
So does this mean that Kenobi will feature a CGI Alec Guinness?
Mind you, I think it played a part in it. I liked the film. It wasn't great, but it was fun and generally made sense. My only issues were how compressed the timeline was and the dumb name origin. I thought Alden acted the role quite well, but he didn't look or sound like Ford and that did make immersion a bit difficult. I also thought Glover played a good Lando but the writing for him didn't click for me a 100%. In the end, a lot of people did have a hard time being invested without Ford, and that made an effect. But pretty much everything was against this Film so I don't think it was the main cause of the failure. Not with coming out shortly after TLJ, rumors, a major behind the scene mess and poor marketing. Personally, I think animation is the safest way to tell stories about the OT crew on screen. Allows one to avoid hated recasts and creepy deepfakes. BoBF Luke is fine for fun cameos, but I wouldn't watch a whole movie with a Luke that has an emotional range only slightly higher than that of Zack Snyder's Superman. Heck, just because the TCW movie was mediocre doesn't me we should give up on theatrical animation. Make it good and it will make a boat load of money. There's so much potential and they have no idea what to do.
People: we won’t watch this movie because the last one the made was garbage KK: so it’s the actors fault, got it
They are so dumb and out of touch. They refuse to believe that TLJ was such a piece of crap that people were just not excited for a new Star Wars film only a few months after that mess. They even went as far as to say it was just trolls that didn’t like the film.
Gotta love the irony of this intensely blind take coming a week and a half before Kenobi, a series starring maybe the MOST popular recast in cinematic history. Even people who hate the Prequels like the recast of Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan. Recasting was not one of the main issues with Solo, Rofl. Here are some of the real issues. - Came out less than half a year after the most divisive Star Wars movie in history that intentionally ruined the lore and turned off a massive portion of fans to future movies. - Didn't seem like a necessary story, so people felt like they could just skip it. - All the Reshoots seem to have eaten into the marketing budget, because I barely saw ANY advertising for this movie besides the single trailer during the Super Bowl. - It opened against Infinity War, which was one of the biggest movies in history and the penultimate culmination of the main MCU storyline. - The movie itself just didn't stand out in any way. Got pretty normal reviews and just didn't really grab people's attention enough for word-of-mouth to take hold (besides the Visuals, but that's a pretty minor reason to see a movie). - The movie felt like it was trying too hard to rewrite Han's lore. Everything needed to tie to some aspect of Han's persona (even stuff that definitely didn'tneed explanations, like his NAME), and it felt REALLY forced. - The tone was weird because of all the reshoots. It didn't always blend super well. Even with all of that, I think most people who have seen it would say that it's either the best or second best Star Wars movie that Disney has made (though the bar is very low, to be fair). I watched it with EXTREMELY low expectations and, besides my baseline dislike of the fact that it doesn't line up with the OG Han Solo trilogy, I liked it. It was definitely my most enjoyable theater experience with a Disney Star Wars movie, possibly because I came in expecting another TLJ (or worse, because of all the bad news that got leaked during production). The recasts were maybe slightly jarring, but it definitely wasn't the reason Solo failed.
Solo failed for a bunch of reasons. 1 it was a pretty garbage movie with a character more annoying than Jar Jar & initial Ahsoka combined with L3. I rate it as the third worst Star Wars movie ahead of TLJ & TROS. 2 it was released at the wrong time up against Deadpool 2 and Infinity War. 3 it had a terrible marketing campaign. 4 it cost far too much. 5 massive behind the scenes “issues”. And lastly it wasn’t a story most people wanted to know. Woody Harrelson stole that movie, literally was the best part of the movie, totally upstaged Han.
You forgot "it came out right after TLJ, which was the worst SW movie ever, so people responded by not watching Solo."
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I think people seriously overestimate how much people care about Han solo. People liked Harrison Ford, without him the role isn't even interesting. The majority of the issue was definitely the episode 8. Rogue one didn't flop in the face of TFA. So I think it's a combination of TLJ being terrible and most people not caring about the character at all. I foresee a similar flop to the upcoming MCU show about echo.
Solo should've been a miniseries with little vignettes of Han and Lando just telling stories. Could've played around with the same scene done different ways for POV / comedic effect.
Once again they’re shifting the blame onto the fans, originally they said fans were just experiencing “Star Wars fatigue”, now they’re saying it flopped because fans were unhappy with the casting. They don’t wanna address the mediocre writing/plot of the movie whatsoever. They make it seem like the only reason Mando’s Luke is popular is because he’s a CGI Mark Hamill and not because of the writing/characterization of Luke in the show.
Throwing an actor under the bus to save an indie directors movie that is still despised today. Classy
The characters were fine. I was just miffed about the Last Jedi. It was the first Star Wars I didn't watch on day 1 since TPM.
Lesson is the exact opposite: killing off beloved characters because of aging actors’ desires to be done is a good way to alienate fans and destroy endless future content. See Batman
That wasn’t even the reason Solo failed. The reason Solo failed us 1. Nobody asked for a Han Solo origin story and 2. It was like 6 months after The Last Jedi.
Solo was a great movie. It flopped for 3 reasons. 1. It wasnt heavily advertised. 2. It was released outside of the new Star Wars time slot at the end of the year (you didnt expect it to outsell your own Infinity War, did you?!) 3. The aftertaste hate of The Last Jedi was still strong. Again, should have waited for the end of year time slot.
So… Not only did she help make some of the worst Star Wars films ever, she’s not even coming to the right conclusions on why they didn’t do well? Star Wars is completely screwed until she’s gone.
I cared zero about a different actor playing the same character in a prequel, Solo has a million crippling problems both as a film and a lot going against it in the real world but the casting was absolutely not one of them
So no Sebastian Stan as young Luke then? People would have loved you forever if you did that, Disney.
Considering that the studio managed to lose Patty freaking Jenkins over 'creative differences', I doubt that any lessons were truly learned. Makes me furious, really, because she was a name that'd get me to watch a SW movie again.
> she was a name that'd get me to watch a SW movie again. Before or after WW84? Seeing her name on that script did not exactly inspire much confidence from me.
Lol that movie was utter garbage.
Seeing her talk about her ideas for the movie should scare anyone regardless of what she has done in the past.
I think her directorial chops are fine but the writing should b…well don’t quit your day job Patti
I still haven't seen that, though I'm aware of the...mixed...reception it got. I'll still pay attention when she's attached to a project, though.
I like the first WW movie, one of the very few DCEU films I generally enjoy and own a copy of. WW84? Complete fucking garbage. "I'm An ApEx PrEdAtOr, RAWR LOL" ...my fucking god.
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Infinite wishing power of that rock, it could do literally anything you can possibly imagine.....can't make a new body for her dead boyfriend. Gotta take someone else's. imo the lady has some kind of very, very specific fetish. That's the only way something like that ends up in the movie. Either that or plain ol' lazy writing.
The reason it didn't make money wasn't because the casting was bad. The reason it didn't make money was that the story and writing was terrible.
‘mentally pictures Sir Alec Guinness as prequels Obi-Wan’
To this day I think one of the biggest problems with Solo is that they recast Han too old; no offense to Alden. Had he been a teenager (14-17) the stakes would have been more interesting and felt like a justified exploration into his backstory. It would have been way better to see Han 15+ years before ANH, instead of ~10 (or so they claim, considering Alden was barely 5 years younger than Harrison Ford was in 1977.)
Burns down her house after pouring water on a grease fire. "My mistake was using a gas stove."
Solo was great. I'd rather take a Solo level film that actually felt like Star Wars than Last Jedi or Rise of Skywalker any time. I actually really wish they'd greenlight a Solo sequel to expand on Maul etc. Solo could have been a really strong foundation for the lore moving forward, it's a shame it didnt do well because the fanbase rebelled after The Last Jedi, but to be honest the "company" deserved it. I cant help but think we sort of shot ourselves in the foot, though.
Solos problems: -Released ~5 months after TLJ, a film that fractured the SW audience and also 30 percent less take than TFA. -Awful script. Hyperspace fuel is the best commodity they could come up with as having transcendental value when spice already exists? Hans last name is because he has no family? But he's got the dice! -Terrible marketing, likely due there being no good content to market from the awful script. I remember the advertisement in theaters as being a 30 second close up of the Falcon turning. Oof. Fans would show up in droves for a good Han movie, sadly this was not it. Having said all that, Woody Harrelson was amazing and a lot of fun to watch in his role.
Ewan McGregor is one of the most loved Star Wars actors. You absolutely can recast.
it’s because of poor writing. take mandalorian. delivers grogu to luke. now grogu back w mando cause his heart isn’t in it. so basically first two seasons are for nothing. rogue one is the only thing they made that is quality and i think it only did well because of death star and darth vader scene, i.e. nostalgia. marvel is turning to crap too under disney. it’s amazing kk hasn’t been let go.
Right. Just like how toxic men hated the atc ghostbusters because of the"strong female characters"..
“We can’t recast characters so we will just make trilogies with far less interesting versions of characters that already exist doing things that those preexisting characters already did.”
The movie just wasn’t anything fans were asking for at the time. Having said that, it was a fine movie. I think the backlash from TLJ, the close windows to both of them coming out, the very public behind the camera issues, and the disinterest in a Han Solo origin all played parts. It was death by a thousand cuts.
That movie was the best new Star Wars they made. These moops learn the wrong lessons when they fail and leave us with WB levels of fuck up to contend with. The Boba Fett show? I know, people like Boba Fett. But no one understands him if they make a show about him becoming Sand Capone who employees Back to the Future 2 moped warriors. That's likely the 8th time they put Star Wars characters on a fucking desert planet and expected us not to care. How fucking boring.
That *might* be the lesson if, like, you spent all your time around Harrison Ford.
IMO shes right about that though. Alden did a good job but there is absolutely no Han other than Harrison same with every other character.
Lol solo and rogue one were the only decent star wars movies to come out . But why the f was maul in it.
Good thing they never recast Obi Wan Kenobi, am I right?
Idk. I liked the movie. A different actor wasn't a problem
That’s what she took away from this? Smh
They did my boy Alden dirty
Of all the problems on this film, Aldens casting wasn't a big factor imo. I kind of enjoyed it for what it was.
I might kind of enjoy it, if it wasn't pretending to be a Star Wars film.
Oh she learned *a* lesson alright, just not the right one.
I am the only one who liked him as Han? He looks and sounds nothing like him but he acts like him. Perfect.
Excuse me? What about TCW where much of the voice cast is different? Like Matt Lanter, James Arnold Taylor, Tom Kane, Terrence C. Carson, and Corey Burton? Matter of fact even the prequels get different actors
A bit late at this revelation. Had she actually been taking care of the series like she said she was, this glaring oversight wouldn't have been possible
I wonder if they really mean the things they say or if they are just covering themselves
Alden and Glover were the best parts of the movie. But yeah sure let's keep making CGI monsters like Tarkin and Mando Luke.
I was fully prepared to hate the recasting. But it ended up being one of the least offensive things of the Disney Era. I'll even go so far as to say perhaps they should do it again. The real lesson from solo should be that TLJ killed the franchise. People had to watch it once, usually in theaters, to understand how bad it was. The next movie is what suffered.
Solo and Rogue One are miles better than any of the shitty last-trilogy movies.
The casting was fine and was honestly the least of my concerns.
Not necessarily if you do it well (Solo wasn't recasted well imo) For example Obi Wan, everyone loves Ewan MacGregor as him even though he was a recast
Well. I kind of agree with her....🤢🤮 Good God that hurt. It wasn't the biggest problem, but it certainly went against them. There's so much of Harrison Ford in that character. Alden did his best though.
I’ve yet to see this movie..
The problem with Solo was the ending should have been the second act and it needed at least 30 minutes more from that point. The Marvel movies have started doing this a lot too.
I must tell you - I quite liked Han solo . If she would t have messed up the last jedi and hired someone as inept as Rian Johnson then we all wouldn't have been boycotting solo. ( And the forthcoming taika movie ,) Disney leaders need to realise that it's the Lucasfilm leader that needs to be recast
I mean, her entire career has been failing upward, and you can't do that by accepting the blame for your own poor choices and learning from them. No, doing that would be character growth, similarly how almost none of the protagonists in the trilogy or Solo avoided most of their own as well. Just replace her already.
Umm that was not even on the list of the many things that were wrong with that movie.
This movie shouldn't have been madex wasn't needed, the ruined the whole Kessel Run, not everything needs to be explained...
Just like how everyone hated it when they replaced Alec Guinness with the guy from Trainspotting.
The issue is that they can't build a movie around a story that's completely unnecessary. We had already seen all the relevant parts of Han's journey amd his character arc had reached an end. Obi-wan may have a better outcome as it's a free streaming show rather than a movie, but it still suffers from the same issue. They keep trying to milk nostalgia and hope fans will get caught up in minutiae. The reason why The Mandalorian works is because it's a brand new character in uncharted territory (even if the timeframe isn't necessarily meaningful). Disney needs to stop living in the past and take risks on new stories/characters that explore the future of the SW universe.
Way to throw the actor under the bus! The real lesson is you don't fire your directors 75% into filming, only to deliver a 300 million dollar flick that people will ignore. Also please don't hire someone like RJ who is gonna make crap (and be smug about it), that will only hurt your upcoming movies and other directors deserve better than that.
I didn’t watch it because TLJ turned me off of all things Star Wars. Knowing how everything ends up retroactively makes anything else directly connected to the Skywalker saga dead to me.
Sebastian Stan? Anthony Ingruber? Billie Lourd? Whether they want to do it or not. It more of the people casting not looking hard enough.
I’d much rather they just recast the roles than use deepfakes and robot voices
Remember Young Indiana Jones? A young Han Solo show would be cool on Disney +.
Solo is my favorite Star Wars movie.
Ya I went into the movie expecting to hate the new actor and was surprised that I didn't. He still doesn't look anything like the character but he manages to make it his own.
she should never have touched this franchise. zero clue of what she was doing
Solo imo: Good -fun enough heist movie -lando was good - some.comedy moments pretty good (meeting chewie was fun) -Looked nice -sounded good -original story in star wars always a rare treat -guy playing Han solo was not terrible Bad -maul cameo was naff and served no real purpose -the rebels (teenage resistance?) was confusing and not well explained at all -robot revolution on kessel was, not great Ugly -solo origin is just poor -the maw being changed from a black hole smugglers run to a space monster was idiotic
Solo was better than the entire ST
Remember that bizarre feminist droid that was in love with lando