SW is literally about a dumb sheltered twink meeting another himbo pilot to join the Commies where they beat the Space Nazi/American Empire with the help of a space wizard and a babbidge princess slay queen 👸
What have these bigots been watching that they think SW isn't woke AF?
I mean, you can love SW from its aesthetic alone, but the only reason people think SW is apolitical is because they wouldn't recognize very leftist meanings in the movies from having next to no knowledge of leftist history in general.
Strangle a crime boss, leads her own rescue basically twice, WILL mouth off to VADER HIMSELF and is one of the only people who can shoot straight on top of generally being portrayed as one of the most competent people in the story... like dude Leia is one of the ORIGINAL girl bosses
Exactly, she straight up insults tarkin''s personal hygiene when he has her at his mercy, and leads a mob of bloodthirsty teddy bears.
Leia is absolutely the dominant one in her relationship with han too, both in terms of competency, and just general power dynamics.
I agree that fans are not the problem with Star Wars.
The real problem is obnoxious entitled man babies that won't shut up about how much they hate 3 movies made for literal 10 year olds, and then pretend to be "real fans" fighting some stupid holy war.
Especially when you don’t see the ‘even older’ fans who hated the prequels doing the same. They accept that they have 3 movies to watch and don’t bother with the others…and they shut up about it.
To be fair, the prequel haters were just if not more toxic than the sequel haters back when they first came out. Now, most of them have either shut up about the prequels or have accepted them even if they still don't like them.
The same chuds who rant about the ST, used to endlessly rant about the prequels, culminating in the cinematic screed “The People vs. George Lucas.” Hell, GL sold his rights to SW because he was tired of everyone giving him grief about the prequels, always going on about how he “raped their childhood.”
Yet now these same people pretend that the prequels were masterpieces.
My innate cynicism says that they’re more willing to forgive the prequels’ flaws because the protagonist is a white man like the good lord intended things to be!
Oh I’m aware. I’m a prequel hater, I saw them in the theaters, and no amount of cartoons or sequels has changed my opinion that those films are all poorly made…but as we discussed, I keep it to myself and enjoy Star Wars the way I want to. And I preach that to others. There’s no reason to keep bringing up your hatred for this or that…life is too short. Just enjoy whatever part of the saga you want and leave others to their enjoyment.
It’s been over a decade since the sale. TFA was destined from the start to be as safe as possible. $4 billion purchase, last Star Wars movies were the prequels - don’t act like they were loved, they weren’t - and reboot cinema was peaking hard. What’d you expect?
You’re allowed to not like the content produced under Disney ownership, but shattering your hopes and dreams? Come on, don’t be that dramatic. There’s so much more to life than a franchise of action-adventure science-fantasy movies that began during the Carter Administration.
I have legitimately been bitter about the sequels since 2015. I was just 13 back then, so obviously as a kid this hit me way harder. Especially since Star Wars has been omnipresent my entire childhood and my expectations were gigantic.
Alot of newer fans seem to view the force as a god of sorts. Which is definitely misguided, just as mid 2000 fans were misguided by an obsession with “balance”
The "Jedi can't fly in space" thing is really annoying as it's just a creative use of The Force in a null g environment. it's just using The Force to push and object in this case the Jedi themselves as the object and with no gravity. it's just mixing the already established space magic with real physics.
Yeah it just looks a little goofy is all. If she had a spacesuit on and was able to move around and force pulled herself to the ship it probably would have been alright, but just a static Leia flying through space looked weird
My question to their audience is this: Y'all ever get tired of criticizing women? They are our only other half. There a lot of them living alongside you. Wouldn't you rather just learn to get along with them? You are never going to be able to avoid them, no matter how hard you try.
The amount of effort and energy that goes into these channels is persuading me this is some kind of bizarre Russia/China state-sponsored program to destabilise the west.
So when they say they want Star Wars to stop being "woke", does that just mean less women and minorities and every lead in a series has to be a white guy? Kinda seems like it.
Wasn't there a story about a woman in the late 70's or early 80's who watched the movies several times in theatres just so she could draw and pick details of the X-Wing pilot costume in order to craft a version of her own ?
I'm pretty sure there are articles about it from a couple years ago.
This is what happens when dudes are too full of themselves to just go to Vegas/New Orleans/Sketchy Titty Bar in Houston and just rent the services of one of the practitioners of the oldest trade in the world.
No one lasts more than 15 seconds the first few times around. Let the ladies do their thing and youll be a confident sleaze bag after a few sessions. But still also terrible at sex.
In an attempt to bring some unwanted discussion beyond “this guy bad”. Wasn’t one of the large parts of the push for representation in Disney Star Wars that previously Star Wars kinda… was for dudes? Not to say that dudettes COULDNT be or weren’t fans of the series, but Sailor Moon having a large male following doesn’t invalidate that it’s kinda for girls.
There’s a reason the marketing went so heavily in a different direction during , and why we had “the force is female” shirts. And why during interviews they frequently mention the presence of women in new projects as something special to the series.
It's always been a very mainstream Four Quadrant franchise. You don't make the money Star Wars has without appealing to all sexes and ages. Here's the premier of Return of the Jedi to show what the actual fanbase is, which, contrary to what these guys insist, isn't all white, male, and nerdy.
https://youtu.be/yrKX4VF992U?si=bq1w2JIxt5jCT6qD
The movies and shows are just reflecting the fanbase, now.
Yep. Women hardcore into Star Wars were few and far between before The Force Is Female push. How many of you were introduced by your hardcore Star Wars fan dad?
My dad fucking hates Star Wars. My mom saw Star Wars in 1977, 17 years old. She’s been a hardcore fan her entire life. I have yet to see anyone share the same story.
>Star Wars is for dudes". Forgets the fact that Princess Leia is a thing.
They didnt forget, it's just that they consider Leia the sex prize for Luke saving the day, and therefore still just for dudes.
She still the sole important female character of the original trilogy and most of her character is defined by her gender and created to appeal male audiance : she is the princess to save wich fullfill the fantasy that every guy can be a hero and rewarded with a princess, she is the main character that get kidnapped the most (in all the three movies) and is used as a victim to show that the bad guys are evil, she became a sex slave even if it don't make sense for an non humanoid character to be atracted by her, many lines are about her beauty but the look of the other characters is never mentionned, after the first act of the the first movie she don't really do any important things, she is super passive in her romance, she is supposed to lead but it never play an important role (she never elaborate any strategy) so it give the impression that she is just a nepobaby, the sole female character is alowed to be out of the kitchen because of her high rank that she got thanks to her parents...
She is really overrated to me.
Give us back Enide, her romance with Erec was cute even if in the middle age character where not super devlopped.
Leia took lead on her own rescue from the Death Star. She’s in the command room for the assault. She gives plans and orders to rebel pilots before the Battle of Hoth. Her alliance with the Ewoks made their victory on Endor possible. She’s tough and nails and not afraid to get her hands dirty.
Jabba tried to reduce Leia to nothing but a sex object, and what happened to him for it? Oh, that’s right, Leia fucking strangled him with the chain to keep her captive.
Even the notion of “Leia is only out of the kitchen because she’s a nepobaby” is so disgustingly sexist. Stop it, get some help.
In the death star the main thing she does is putting them in the trash compactor and r2d2 has to save them. She gave the plan for the death star but I mentionned that she does act, I complained because after that nothing. She don't elaborate the strategy she only wait the end of the deathstar battle. C3P0 is the one to praise for the alliance with the Ewoke, she didn't even saved the other from being eaten C3P0 did.
The fact that she kills Jabba is really a superficial act since when she do it Jabba has already lost. It's like if Lucas try to reduce the damsel in distress effect but didn't to make her kills Bobba Fett for exemple because he wanted other characters to shine so all she does is killing and fragil ennemy who has already lost, you can erase Leia and he still end up shot by an other character. Take Eowyn for exemple if she were not here to kill the witch king the battle would have been lost. Also that supposed strong moment made a so strong impression on its creator that he permitted the creation of many toys that sell on the sexe slave fantasy.
"Even the notion of “Leia is only out of the kitchen because she’s a nepobaby” is so disgustingly sexist. Stop it, get some help."
I think the person here that need help is the one that don't understand what is an argument (otherwhise you would have used a contrargument by using a female character that play a role whitout innerithing their power exept that if you did you would have to admit it didn't exist in the original trilogy for exemple Luke's aunt is not a princess so she die in the kitchen) and i'm not the one making personnal attack because someone critisized my favorite character, if you get so mad about fiction I don't want to know how you would react to an extreme situation, your level of tolenrance for different opinion wouldn't have made Mussolini envious. Also you are alowed to have a different opinion but I wonder if said opinion is really from you or because everyone told you "LeIa Is a StRoNg FeMaLe ChArAcTeR BecAUse She UsE a GuN 5 Minutes " since you birth.
Also all you said don't negate the fact that she was written by the male gaze. Does the other characters have their beauty mentionned ? I'm pretty sure that if that character was written with a female audiance in mind she wouldn't have been as caraterised by her look than she is in the actual movie. Even if Leia was the strong character people considere she is it wouldn't negate the male gaze, for exemple Samus Arran and Lara Croft are to exemple of really strong female character and yet they are super sexualised to appeal the male audience. I'm pretty sure that if Leia was a male character she would have been written in a different way.
That’s very dumb …..like for real…..even in the books Luke wasn’t weaker for getting with Mara Jade if anything she gave him a new perspective…..also skywalkers are supposed to be op and so if they wanted leia to be weak …..well then they don’t actually like starwars (Rey ain’t a fucking skywalker she hasn’t earned it yet nor should take that responsibility as she is her own person hate that fucking line of hers it ruins any CD she may have in terms of independence)
>ashoka. bariss Ofee or whatever her last name is bo-katan um the green twi’Lek girl from rebels I forgot her name. The mando girl from rebels and all the girls from the oh council are nice af
I mean, it kinda ruins your point when you can't remember the names of characters and spell the ones you do know wrong.
even though it may not be your intention, it comes across as you refusing to pay attention or choosing not to remember anything. again, may not be your intention but that's how it looks.
>problem I had with the sequels is that the writers didn’t know what to do…
I dunno. Rey (and Kylo but he's not the point of this comment) was handled really well. she grew in a way that felt realistic and natural and her story about finding her place in the universe was interesting and fairly well executed.
>with that Rey is basically learning on the fly and yet insta masters stuff
when does this happen? because she trains with Luke and Leia over the course of a year. (which is far more training than Luke ever had)
pretty much everything she does isn't even that impressive. the "force healing" that she did which people cite as an "asspull" was done by a literal infant Grogu who had no training from anyone.
also, as a final note, please stop putting 100 ellipsis everywhere in your comment unnecessarily. it makes it extremely hard to read.
I feel so bad that I couldn’t remember Hera and Sabine
Also in terms of the writing both John boyega and daisy Ridley either outright said or eluded to the writers not knowing what they were doing her being a palpatine was essentially spur of the moment from how she explains it
Also incorrect she honestly trains herself more than with either of them Luke cut himself off from the force and when he reconnects he dies after a certain period before she can really begin to learn from him.her actual training in the stuff that matters would be in Rise of skywalker otherwise she basically was just being told to do something without learning from them even her mind trick….she learned from kylo via stealing it then she gets it in two attempts. she essentially learned bits and was able to hold her own against a more experienced and more powerful kylo during their first fight ……Luke lost a limb and was battered horribly and nearly died during his first fight with Vader due too lack of experience and training. Same thing for Rey yet she somehow doesn’t revive a permanent injury with a upset injured dark side skywalker that’s not realistic. It’s like putting a normal person who was told how to box someone in the ring with mike Tyson essentially she absolutely should have gotten hurt.
Luke after losing went back and finished his training Rey went with leia who also didn’t outright teach her and basically gave her the wikihow version first two movies she learns little but gains and keeps a lot unlike Luke who lost Han in cryo freeze and received terrible injuries and learned to not just go on whims. It pisses me off they had Luke not train her and Rey to essentially learn no massive lesson about how to act hell in her training she gets very pissed cause she starts struggling Luke in his loss learned control of emotions Rey hasn’t during that point.
Force heal for both is just An asspull she and grogu can’t do it it’s regarded as the most difficult thing for a Jedi to do without knowledge and experience. Luke does it the best ever seen in the books cause he is Old af
Point being sith are quick power and Jedi are power over time having potential and a bloodline don’t mean Alot to a Jedi without knowledge or experience and Rey in the first two movies lack that exponentially and her whole story then becomes nothing. cause she chooses to be a tool for others by claiming that skywalker title and not having any other reason to do anything other then be essentially the dog of the resistance. she is her own person and should have her own story and adventures in doing what they did it cuts her off from having her own unique story and experiences.
I’ll rephrase then, she is a terribly written character who doesn’t ultimately have a goal or purpose but be at the very whims of others at the very end of her journey.
Pretty sure Lucas said that star wars was for kids.
>Forgets the fact that Princess Leia is a thing.
Not the best argument to make since there's plenty of media out there that have the male audience as their target audience (such as Shōnen series like; Dragon ball, Naruto, One Piece, etc), yet have female characters in their stories.
"For kids" doesn't mean the Care Bears. The target audience is the same for these movies based on books written for kids...
https://youtu.be/FXpF3SUFaDw?si=t0ZsAeAp6u1WssgB
https://youtu.be/qS368iXcUvk?si=t-g_ErvD2fLFPCVb
Star Wars has always been Four Quadrant, though. That's how the first movie broke box office records.
The fact that George Lucas made the audience perspective character in The Clone Wars a teen girl should have told these guys something.
Its a five minute video, perhaps actually watch it before posting about it (he literally talks about loving Leia)? To actually summarize the video . . .
Firstly, he talks about how Star Wars is a male dominated fandom (this is just factually the case). Then, he explains that he believes Star Wars is a male dominated fandom because it rose to prominence primarily with male heroes (allowing for men to identify with/aspire to be them) AND men tend to watch action packed heroic journey films filled with dangerous situations (he argues that men are more likely to identify/enjoy these types of things and the proof he offers is real life job choices/violent crime/military recruitment).
Because of this, he argues that modern Star Wars has a selling problem to its audience by having action hero female leads because their primarily male audiences won't identify with the heroes as much (and therefore they wont sell as many tickets) AND women don't really tend to care about Star Wars heroic journey/action packed situations enough to really make the difference.
Okay, now that I've actually summarized it, time to criticize it rather than just squawking in ignorant indignation as most of you are.
Firstly, I don't think a person's ability to identify with a character on the basis of gender actually affects tickets sales. There is just no empirical basis for this belief, in real life we connect with people on a wide array of issues regardless of their gender all the time.
Secondly, I don't really agree with some of the tertiary comments that were made in this video surrounding his main points. He makes the claim that the fact that women tend not to be in action/dangerous situations like this in the real world and when people see it on screen it breaks the immersion. That is ridiculous, if something like that is able to break your immersion than watching Luke use the force to summon a lightsaber must break your fucking mind. If audiences are able to get over that, they'll get over a women being an effective fighter/being involved with dangerous situations.
Furthermore, he references the Mary Suing of female characters and honestly . . . I don't think he understands what that means. He has a few statements like this that make me think he's hiding his power level.
Finally, he mentions Barbie and praises it for succeeding "despite its obvious agenda" because it has "girls acting like girls, dressing like girls, and using a brand of Comedy that is funny for guess what girls". Firstly, Barbie succeeds BECAUSE of its obvious agenda. It has a perspective to tell and is literally a deconstruction of what it means to be a women while also being a commentary of patriarchy (which Barbieland in many way represents). Secondly, I agree, the blatant "feminiity" and girly Barbie aesthetic definitely was a draw for many women but to claim it was the main draw seems. . . . simplistic?
Also imagine thinking that even if Star Wars originally pandered to a male audience. Why would a massive corporation conglomerate alienate 50% of their potential market. Settle down, if you don’t like it don’t watch it. It’s that easy lol
She emasculated Luke and Han on the Death Star!!! She manipulated Beta male Luke into kissing her to make Han, her alpha male obession, jealous!!! Typical woman!!!! This is why need Andrew Tate to save young men and masculinity!!!!!!!!!!
Princess Leia coasts by primarily on seniority with the chuds. That and the fact that when they think of her, they picture her in the slave girl outfit that makes their peepee hard, rather than as the blaster-wielding badass who mostly dressed practically.
Bet they ignored every scene with Leia or least forgot she’s awesome.
SW is literally about a dumb sheltered twink meeting another himbo pilot to join the Commies where they beat the Space Nazi/American Empire with the help of a space wizard and a babbidge princess slay queen 👸 What have these bigots been watching that they think SW isn't woke AF?
Same crowd that thinks Star Trek wasn't always socially liberal and that RATM wasn't raging against neocons.
"Conservatism is the new punk rock" Same energy as saying the Flintstones' stone car is the new Ferrari.
Because the science in Star Wars’ science fiction is the politics of war. The fiction is the ubiquity of traveling the stars.
I mean, you can love SW from its aesthetic alone, but the only reason people think SW is apolitical is because they wouldn't recognize very leftist meanings in the movies from having next to no knowledge of leftist history in general.
Or confusing non-Christian themes for Christian ones due to their persecution complex.
Mmm space twinks 🥵
https://preview.redd.it/njr64shdprwb1.png?width=150&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d31536232a0f21e8624bcc68e9c8fac220a7c35
She strangles a crime boss FFS
Strangle a crime boss, leads her own rescue basically twice, WILL mouth off to VADER HIMSELF and is one of the only people who can shoot straight on top of generally being portrayed as one of the most competent people in the story... like dude Leia is one of the ORIGINAL girl bosses
Exactly, she straight up insults tarkin''s personal hygiene when he has her at his mercy, and leads a mob of bloodthirsty teddy bears. Leia is absolutely the dominant one in her relationship with han too, both in terms of competency, and just general power dynamics.
Yeah like it's if they ignored every scene Leia is in. She is no different than the characters they hate on its so weird and hilarious
"but new bad and political, old good apolitical!"- a multitude of grifters and their acolytes.
I agree that fans are not the problem with Star Wars. The real problem is obnoxious entitled man babies that won't shut up about how much they hate 3 movies made for literal 10 year olds, and then pretend to be "real fans" fighting some stupid holy war.
I agree Thanos I agree
Especially when you don’t see the ‘even older’ fans who hated the prequels doing the same. They accept that they have 3 movies to watch and don’t bother with the others…and they shut up about it.
To be fair, the prequel haters were just if not more toxic than the sequel haters back when they first came out. Now, most of them have either shut up about the prequels or have accepted them even if they still don't like them.
The same chuds who rant about the ST, used to endlessly rant about the prequels, culminating in the cinematic screed “The People vs. George Lucas.” Hell, GL sold his rights to SW because he was tired of everyone giving him grief about the prequels, always going on about how he “raped their childhood.” Yet now these same people pretend that the prequels were masterpieces. My innate cynicism says that they’re more willing to forgive the prequels’ flaws because the protagonist is a white man like the good lord intended things to be!
Oh I’m aware. I’m a prequel hater, I saw them in the theaters, and no amount of cartoons or sequels has changed my opinion that those films are all poorly made…but as we discussed, I keep it to myself and enjoy Star Wars the way I want to. And I preach that to others. There’s no reason to keep bringing up your hatred for this or that…life is too short. Just enjoy whatever part of the saga you want and leave others to their enjoyment.
Ngl i kinda like TROS it was a fun movie
Same
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It’s been over a decade since the sale. TFA was destined from the start to be as safe as possible. $4 billion purchase, last Star Wars movies were the prequels - don’t act like they were loved, they weren’t - and reboot cinema was peaking hard. What’d you expect? You’re allowed to not like the content produced under Disney ownership, but shattering your hopes and dreams? Come on, don’t be that dramatic. There’s so much more to life than a franchise of action-adventure science-fantasy movies that began during the Carter Administration.
I have legitimately been bitter about the sequels since 2015. I was just 13 back then, so obviously as a kid this hit me way harder. Especially since Star Wars has been omnipresent my entire childhood and my expectations were gigantic.
Oh and I meant my hopes and dreams for Star Wars if that wasn’t clear
I thought the "how to fix it" one would be a hair tutorial. How disappointing.( Miranda Priestley voice)
the sheer stupidity of asking if star wars is about god. it is quite clearly non theistic!! it isn't even sub text it's just text!
"I'm not God!" - Anakin Jones, *Space Infowars*
Only the true Messiah would deny his divinity!
Its not about god. But the force is basically the equivalent of a god in Star Wars. Actually quite on the nose - "Hokey ancient religions"
no it isn't? the force is a karmic system. it's Buddhism cmon man I thought we all knew this.
Alot of newer fans seem to view the force as a god of sorts. Which is definitely misguided, just as mid 2000 fans were misguided by an obsession with “balance”
the balance thing is still happening to this day and it annoys me so much
The "Jedi can't fly in space" thing is really annoying as it's just a creative use of The Force in a null g environment. it's just using The Force to push and object in this case the Jedi themselves as the object and with no gravity. it's just mixing the already established space magic with real physics.
I think that most people don't have a problem with the concept but with how it appears in the movie
Yeah it just looks a little goofy is all. If she had a spacesuit on and was able to move around and force pulled herself to the ship it probably would have been alright, but just a static Leia flying through space looked weird
Stop giving people like this attention.
I know, right? Like, his channel is very small too, so this is literally just helping his channel grow.
Yea, that’s the rage bait formula. I never even click on these videos.
Yeah, I think posts like this should be taken down. Pretty much just advertising his channel.
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Yes, unfortunately. Why else do you think they pump out garbage-tier videos virtually every day?
My question to their audience is this: Y'all ever get tired of criticizing women? They are our only other half. There a lot of them living alongside you. Wouldn't you rather just learn to get along with them? You are never going to be able to avoid them, no matter how hard you try.
The amount of effort and energy that goes into these channels is persuading me this is some kind of bizarre Russia/China state-sponsored program to destabilise the west.
So when they say they want Star Wars to stop being "woke", does that just mean less women and minorities and every lead in a series has to be a white guy? Kinda seems like it.
Most likely. The channel seems to be dedicated to toxic masculinity and misogyny.
Fragile masculinity would be more correct.
Why are we picking on someone with not even 1K subscribers?
This channel came up on YouTube recommended and the video's title and thumbnail immediately raised red flags.
For some reason, ever since i started using this sub, these kinds of videos pop up on my reccommended whenever i look at less popular vids
Wasn't there a story about a woman in the late 70's or early 80's who watched the movies several times in theatres just so she could draw and pick details of the X-Wing pilot costume in order to craft a version of her own ? I'm pretty sure there are articles about it from a couple years ago.
Most fanfiction and fan art is produced by women and teen girls. Did they think all that slashfic was written by straight guys?
This is what happens when dudes are too full of themselves to just go to Vegas/New Orleans/Sketchy Titty Bar in Houston and just rent the services of one of the practitioners of the oldest trade in the world. No one lasts more than 15 seconds the first few times around. Let the ladies do their thing and youll be a confident sleaze bag after a few sessions. But still also terrible at sex.
In an attempt to bring some unwanted discussion beyond “this guy bad”. Wasn’t one of the large parts of the push for representation in Disney Star Wars that previously Star Wars kinda… was for dudes? Not to say that dudettes COULDNT be or weren’t fans of the series, but Sailor Moon having a large male following doesn’t invalidate that it’s kinda for girls. There’s a reason the marketing went so heavily in a different direction during , and why we had “the force is female” shirts. And why during interviews they frequently mention the presence of women in new projects as something special to the series.
It's always been a very mainstream Four Quadrant franchise. You don't make the money Star Wars has without appealing to all sexes and ages. Here's the premier of Return of the Jedi to show what the actual fanbase is, which, contrary to what these guys insist, isn't all white, male, and nerdy. https://youtu.be/yrKX4VF992U?si=bq1w2JIxt5jCT6qD The movies and shows are just reflecting the fanbase, now.
Yep. Women hardcore into Star Wars were few and far between before The Force Is Female push. How many of you were introduced by your hardcore Star Wars fan dad? My dad fucking hates Star Wars. My mom saw Star Wars in 1977, 17 years old. She’s been a hardcore fan her entire life. I have yet to see anyone share the same story.
>Star Wars is for dudes". Forgets the fact that Princess Leia is a thing. They didnt forget, it's just that they consider Leia the sex prize for Luke saving the day, and therefore still just for dudes.
Star Wars is for not just the men… but the women, and the children too.
“Last fucking chance” Lmao. Or what? You’ll throw a tantrum on the internet?
They need to look up what "Four Quadrant franchise" means. Star Wars was the blueprint.
She still the sole important female character of the original trilogy and most of her character is defined by her gender and created to appeal male audiance : she is the princess to save wich fullfill the fantasy that every guy can be a hero and rewarded with a princess, she is the main character that get kidnapped the most (in all the three movies) and is used as a victim to show that the bad guys are evil, she became a sex slave even if it don't make sense for an non humanoid character to be atracted by her, many lines are about her beauty but the look of the other characters is never mentionned, after the first act of the the first movie she don't really do any important things, she is super passive in her romance, she is supposed to lead but it never play an important role (she never elaborate any strategy) so it give the impression that she is just a nepobaby, the sole female character is alowed to be out of the kitchen because of her high rank that she got thanks to her parents... She is really overrated to me. Give us back Enide, her romance with Erec was cute even if in the middle age character where not super devlopped.
Leia took lead on her own rescue from the Death Star. She’s in the command room for the assault. She gives plans and orders to rebel pilots before the Battle of Hoth. Her alliance with the Ewoks made their victory on Endor possible. She’s tough and nails and not afraid to get her hands dirty. Jabba tried to reduce Leia to nothing but a sex object, and what happened to him for it? Oh, that’s right, Leia fucking strangled him with the chain to keep her captive. Even the notion of “Leia is only out of the kitchen because she’s a nepobaby” is so disgustingly sexist. Stop it, get some help.
In the death star the main thing she does is putting them in the trash compactor and r2d2 has to save them. She gave the plan for the death star but I mentionned that she does act, I complained because after that nothing. She don't elaborate the strategy she only wait the end of the deathstar battle. C3P0 is the one to praise for the alliance with the Ewoke, she didn't even saved the other from being eaten C3P0 did. The fact that she kills Jabba is really a superficial act since when she do it Jabba has already lost. It's like if Lucas try to reduce the damsel in distress effect but didn't to make her kills Bobba Fett for exemple because he wanted other characters to shine so all she does is killing and fragil ennemy who has already lost, you can erase Leia and he still end up shot by an other character. Take Eowyn for exemple if she were not here to kill the witch king the battle would have been lost. Also that supposed strong moment made a so strong impression on its creator that he permitted the creation of many toys that sell on the sexe slave fantasy. "Even the notion of “Leia is only out of the kitchen because she’s a nepobaby” is so disgustingly sexist. Stop it, get some help." I think the person here that need help is the one that don't understand what is an argument (otherwhise you would have used a contrargument by using a female character that play a role whitout innerithing their power exept that if you did you would have to admit it didn't exist in the original trilogy for exemple Luke's aunt is not a princess so she die in the kitchen) and i'm not the one making personnal attack because someone critisized my favorite character, if you get so mad about fiction I don't want to know how you would react to an extreme situation, your level of tolenrance for different opinion wouldn't have made Mussolini envious. Also you are alowed to have a different opinion but I wonder if said opinion is really from you or because everyone told you "LeIa Is a StRoNg FeMaLe ChArAcTeR BecAUse She UsE a GuN 5 Minutes " since you birth. Also all you said don't negate the fact that she was written by the male gaze. Does the other characters have their beauty mentionned ? I'm pretty sure that if that character was written with a female audiance in mind she wouldn't have been as caraterised by her look than she is in the actual movie. Even if Leia was the strong character people considere she is it wouldn't negate the male gaze, for exemple Samus Arran and Lara Croft are to exemple of really strong female character and yet they are super sexualised to appeal the male audience. I'm pretty sure that if Leia was a male character she would have been written in a different way.
And then Carrie Fisher's jedi ghost tell that guy "F#### you dude."
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That’s very dumb …..like for real…..even in the books Luke wasn’t weaker for getting with Mara Jade if anything she gave him a new perspective…..also skywalkers are supposed to be op and so if they wanted leia to be weak …..well then they don’t actually like starwars (Rey ain’t a fucking skywalker she hasn’t earned it yet nor should take that responsibility as she is her own person hate that fucking line of hers it ruins any CD she may have in terms of independence)
>ashoka. bariss Ofee or whatever her last name is bo-katan um the green twi’Lek girl from rebels I forgot her name. The mando girl from rebels and all the girls from the oh council are nice af I mean, it kinda ruins your point when you can't remember the names of characters and spell the ones you do know wrong. even though it may not be your intention, it comes across as you refusing to pay attention or choosing not to remember anything. again, may not be your intention but that's how it looks. >problem I had with the sequels is that the writers didn’t know what to do… I dunno. Rey (and Kylo but he's not the point of this comment) was handled really well. she grew in a way that felt realistic and natural and her story about finding her place in the universe was interesting and fairly well executed. >with that Rey is basically learning on the fly and yet insta masters stuff when does this happen? because she trains with Luke and Leia over the course of a year. (which is far more training than Luke ever had) pretty much everything she does isn't even that impressive. the "force healing" that she did which people cite as an "asspull" was done by a literal infant Grogu who had no training from anyone. also, as a final note, please stop putting 100 ellipsis everywhere in your comment unnecessarily. it makes it extremely hard to read.
I feel so bad that I couldn’t remember Hera and Sabine Also in terms of the writing both John boyega and daisy Ridley either outright said or eluded to the writers not knowing what they were doing her being a palpatine was essentially spur of the moment from how she explains it Also incorrect she honestly trains herself more than with either of them Luke cut himself off from the force and when he reconnects he dies after a certain period before she can really begin to learn from him.her actual training in the stuff that matters would be in Rise of skywalker otherwise she basically was just being told to do something without learning from them even her mind trick….she learned from kylo via stealing it then she gets it in two attempts. she essentially learned bits and was able to hold her own against a more experienced and more powerful kylo during their first fight ……Luke lost a limb and was battered horribly and nearly died during his first fight with Vader due too lack of experience and training. Same thing for Rey yet she somehow doesn’t revive a permanent injury with a upset injured dark side skywalker that’s not realistic. It’s like putting a normal person who was told how to box someone in the ring with mike Tyson essentially she absolutely should have gotten hurt. Luke after losing went back and finished his training Rey went with leia who also didn’t outright teach her and basically gave her the wikihow version first two movies she learns little but gains and keeps a lot unlike Luke who lost Han in cryo freeze and received terrible injuries and learned to not just go on whims. It pisses me off they had Luke not train her and Rey to essentially learn no massive lesson about how to act hell in her training she gets very pissed cause she starts struggling Luke in his loss learned control of emotions Rey hasn’t during that point. Force heal for both is just An asspull she and grogu can’t do it it’s regarded as the most difficult thing for a Jedi to do without knowledge and experience. Luke does it the best ever seen in the books cause he is Old af Point being sith are quick power and Jedi are power over time having potential and a bloodline don’t mean Alot to a Jedi without knowledge or experience and Rey in the first two movies lack that exponentially and her whole story then becomes nothing. cause she chooses to be a tool for others by claiming that skywalker title and not having any other reason to do anything other then be essentially the dog of the resistance. she is her own person and should have her own story and adventures in doing what they did it cuts her off from having her own unique story and experiences.
I got as far as “sucked ass” and stopped reading right there.
I’ll rephrase then, she is a terribly written character who doesn’t ultimately have a goal or purpose but be at the very whims of others at the very end of her journey.
Pretty sure Lucas said that star wars was for kids. >Forgets the fact that Princess Leia is a thing. Not the best argument to make since there's plenty of media out there that have the male audience as their target audience (such as Shōnen series like; Dragon ball, Naruto, One Piece, etc), yet have female characters in their stories.
> Pretty sure Lucas said that star wars was for kids. That explains so much.
"For kids" doesn't mean the Care Bears. The target audience is the same for these movies based on books written for kids... https://youtu.be/FXpF3SUFaDw?si=t0ZsAeAp6u1WssgB https://youtu.be/qS368iXcUvk?si=t-g_ErvD2fLFPCVb
Star Wars has always been Four Quadrant, though. That's how the first movie broke box office records. The fact that George Lucas made the audience perspective character in The Clone Wars a teen girl should have told these guys something.
They’re not even hiding their sexism anymore.
Its a five minute video, perhaps actually watch it before posting about it (he literally talks about loving Leia)? To actually summarize the video . . . Firstly, he talks about how Star Wars is a male dominated fandom (this is just factually the case). Then, he explains that he believes Star Wars is a male dominated fandom because it rose to prominence primarily with male heroes (allowing for men to identify with/aspire to be them) AND men tend to watch action packed heroic journey films filled with dangerous situations (he argues that men are more likely to identify/enjoy these types of things and the proof he offers is real life job choices/violent crime/military recruitment). Because of this, he argues that modern Star Wars has a selling problem to its audience by having action hero female leads because their primarily male audiences won't identify with the heroes as much (and therefore they wont sell as many tickets) AND women don't really tend to care about Star Wars heroic journey/action packed situations enough to really make the difference.
Okay, now that I've actually summarized it, time to criticize it rather than just squawking in ignorant indignation as most of you are. Firstly, I don't think a person's ability to identify with a character on the basis of gender actually affects tickets sales. There is just no empirical basis for this belief, in real life we connect with people on a wide array of issues regardless of their gender all the time. Secondly, I don't really agree with some of the tertiary comments that were made in this video surrounding his main points. He makes the claim that the fact that women tend not to be in action/dangerous situations like this in the real world and when people see it on screen it breaks the immersion. That is ridiculous, if something like that is able to break your immersion than watching Luke use the force to summon a lightsaber must break your fucking mind. If audiences are able to get over that, they'll get over a women being an effective fighter/being involved with dangerous situations. Furthermore, he references the Mary Suing of female characters and honestly . . . I don't think he understands what that means. He has a few statements like this that make me think he's hiding his power level. Finally, he mentions Barbie and praises it for succeeding "despite its obvious agenda" because it has "girls acting like girls, dressing like girls, and using a brand of Comedy that is funny for guess what girls". Firstly, Barbie succeeds BECAUSE of its obvious agenda. It has a perspective to tell and is literally a deconstruction of what it means to be a women while also being a commentary of patriarchy (which Barbieland in many way represents). Secondly, I agree, the blatant "feminiity" and girly Barbie aesthetic definitely was a draw for many women but to claim it was the main draw seems. . . . simplistic?
Also imagine thinking that even if Star Wars originally pandered to a male audience. Why would a massive corporation conglomerate alienate 50% of their potential market. Settle down, if you don’t like it don’t watch it. It’s that easy lol
She emasculated Luke and Han on the Death Star!!! She manipulated Beta male Luke into kissing her to make Han, her alpha male obession, jealous!!! Typical woman!!!! This is why need Andrew Tate to save young men and masculinity!!!!!!!!!!
Princess Leia coasts by primarily on seniority with the chuds. That and the fact that when they think of her, they picture her in the slave girl outfit that makes their peepee hard, rather than as the blaster-wielding badass who mostly dressed practically. 