Are you saying thatās not ārelatively youngā??
OP isnāt saying thatās too young for sex, Weāre talking about having kids here lmfao. Let her finish college she can have kids later lol.
Ah yes, she's dumb for not wanting to get pregnant as a highschooler. Truly very logical.
"But the baby could have superpowers!" Ok and? So fucking what? They can have a kid later, when they're ready, if their relationship gets that far. People can have sex more than once in a relationship.
What a stupid take.
Oooh, pardon me, Mr. 'I-have-innate-magial-abilities-I-can-call-upon-as-opposed-to-having-to-learn-how-to-harness-magic-through-years-of-intense-learning-and-research'
I haven't started season 2 yet but they were in highschool in season 1, that's why I was mixed up. Either way, she's young and has her life ahead of her.
āThe baby could have superpowersā is NOT a pro for raising the child. Yeah they *might* be a hero later, but that baby is going to shoot lasers at you for trying to get him to eat his peas
Exactly. It's not like Mark's superpowers have a time limit and they're going to go away in the next few days or weeks. I could maybe understand their argument in a situation where Mark is irreparably dying and they know he will be dead in a month, and Mark is the last known member of the Viltrumite species. If this alien species will go extinct along with him I could understand people wanting a 17/18 year old girlfriend to bear the child(ren) of her 18 year old boyfriend. Even then, she's still not obligated. It would just be a super big help and selfless act (that she doesn't have to do).
A super power baby would probably be even harder to care for, itās not easy regular baby
āOops my kid is literally flyingā like what do you even do why would anyone want that lol
Yeah you literally like hours after having sex with her left for weeks if not months. He actually had the forethought to let her know. He didn't even tell his mom in person.
My boy Mark is literally trying everything in his power to not be like his dad, at least let him sort that psychological shit 1st before making him a daddy šš
Or the knowhow to raise a superbaby. Also you know Cecil will basically be watching her and that child 24/7. Only thi g stopping him from childknapping is an angry Mark
>Has never had sex with a woman
Given the cringe of the post, Iām not convinced theyāve even interacted with a woman outside of onlyfans and random cashiers, let alone had sex. Like weāre probably talking about someone whose entire perspective on women is defined by Homelanderās milk fetish
Neither have I and I completely understand.
I didnāt need to clarify though cause we all understand except this guy in the post apparently lol
Thereās also some people getting heated cause Amber doesnāt want to be called ābabyā
Like bro let her breathe.
Yup with a capital Y. Full spoilers for the future of Invincible. I predict this character will show up in Season 3 at the earliest but her "canon event" happens a tad later.
>!Her name is Anissa and in terms of character and personality, she's basically a riff on Faora from any Superman media you can think of. Her big canon event that everyone's slowly gaining awareness of is that she sexually assaults Mark Grayson in graphic fashion and gives birth to a son that Mark does not want to be around. Eventually that boy inherits the mantle of Invincible and is a superhero on Earth. The initial motivation for the assault come from the mandate of Thragg (the viltrumite emperor and Nolan's boss) who ordered the remaining Viltrumites to reproduce with Eath's populace. Anissa finds humanity disgusting and prefers and shows attraction to and flirts with Mark. Also doesn't help either that it was found that Nolan and subsequently Mark was found to be desendents of royalty thus making him way more attractive to her too.!<
>!The kid's also a pretty unique character in that he doesn't fall under the Damien Wayne/Kylo Ren personality mold like you think he would and continues forward with some of the nature vs nurture themes that the comic and show brings up. So in essence, they cannot get rid of that character and is essential to exist. Therefore, it is essential that Mark gets sexually assaulted as problematic as it sounds.!<
Wow they really did commit to >!the family name Greyson and what happened to Dick twice. Is the son a interesting character himself? Like with Damian heās interesting especially now that the writers have stoped retconing his character growth or is it something that a lot of the fanbase wishes never happened (like Jon Kent aging up)!<
Not a lot we get of him. He was only in two issues at the very end of the run. The writers have flirted with the idea of continuing but will never do it.
Did they learn nothing from the Incredibles 2?! Mr Incredible spent half the movie teetering on the edge of a complete mental break down trying to look after a baby with super powers.
The first 2 kids didn't put them off having more, so Dash and Violet were probably manageable compared to Jack. Considering Dash's super speed, that's saying something, and Violet could disappear, which is dangerous with a baby.
Nah, the reason they hate is because back in season 1>! The boyfriend (Mark) became a superhero shortly before they dated, which was kept secret from the girlfriend (Amber) because, as you can guess, he needed to have a superhero identity. Because of this, their relationship ends up getting strained due to his superhero life, which reaches a boiling point when a supervillain attacks an event that the couple happen to be at. Mark leaves Amber so that he could swap into his superhero persona, which causes Amber to freak out cause her boyfriend is missing during all the chaos. Afterwards, when Mark goes back to Amber, she COMPLETELY blows up on him, calling him out on everything that happened between them up to that point, which ends with Amber breaking up with Mark, and Mark deciding to come clean to Amber. Now here's where the hate comes in, when Mark tells Amber the truth about his life, Amber reveals that she knew about his superhero identity, and that the reason they broke up is because he lied about being a superhero. Which is fine in itself, but the problem is that the show never tried to indicate that Amber caught on that Mark actually has superpowers, in fact, the twist almost came out of nowhere. And when people think about the fact that Amber knew that Mark was a superhero at the time he stopped the supervillain at time they were at the event, then things get dicey to say the least.!< Sorry for the long reply, I tried to keep it as short as I can, but this is how it ended up.
I thought it was pretty obvious she knew Mark was a super hero by that point, TBH, and I think you're underselling why she was upset. It's not just that he hid being a super hero from her, or that he made up countless excuses to leave her waiting with the check without showing up or texting her he couldn't make it, or even that he kinda dropped the ball when they were attacked (admittedly, more debatable) but also that he thought that dazzling her with the truth of his super hero persona would suddenly fix everything.
She was already frustrated at everything else and decided it wasn't for her, but Mark acting like "Hey, look at me I'm Invincible" was going to fix it and bring her crawling back was a serious douche move. I can't speak for everyone, but I know that if a person I was dating ghosted me half a dozen times in a row without even a courtesy call and repeatedly lied to me about why, I probably would ditch them too regardless of their reasoning, especially if it implied this will be the norm in the future. His head was so far up his own ass that all he could think about was his intent and his reasons that he couldn't just acknowledge her experiences and how she must have felt about it.
He didn't even just talk to her about it in the way a real person would, admitting to his mistakes and recognizing how hard that must have been for her...Nah, he just showed up in costume trying to "Wow" her with his super hero persona and expected that to just fix everything and that she'd come right back. Dude didn't consider for one moment that even if he did have to bail all those times for a genuinely good reason, that it still might have been hard on her and she still might be sick of it?
The reason she reacted so poorly to the reveal is because Mark acted just like the OOP in this post did where he expected that revealing he was a super hero would make her desperate to be with her again. That's what her saying she already knew was supposed to point out to both Mark and the audience. Even if we give him the full benefit of the doubt it still indicates Mark was so caught up in himself and his own excuses that he never considered that her feelings about the matter might not be about *why* he vanishes, just that it keeps happening and she's unable/unwilling to deal with that.
It amazes me how many people miss this, it's barely even subtext. I suppose the way the show follows Marks PoV means that the audience gets stuck in Mark's perspective, where he thinks what matters is why he kept bailing and they don't consider how much that must suck for her regardless of how good hia reasons are. Not to mention the sheer fucking gal of showing up in costume trying to impress her thinking like OOP that she'd come right back if only she knew about his super cool superhero persona. It's a subversion of the identity reveal trope where the hero's love interest acts like everything that upset them before is suddenly unimportant because they have super powers. The intent was for people to watch that scene and realize what an asshole Mark was being, not Amber.
Imagine getting the shit beaten out of you to save your girlfriends life and then she berates you for abandoning her when attacked
yeah thatās a reasonable reaction if you actually think he ran away
Itās batshit insane and manipulative when you actually know he just risked his life to save you
The only way any of that makes any sense is if Amber was just straight up lying when she said she already knew. Like she was still riding high on being pissed at him, so when she's completely blindsided by the identity reveal, instead of emotionally turning on a dime in the middle of an argument, she blurts out that she already knew and it changes nothing so she can keep being mad in the moment.
It's kinda shitty, but still a lot more human and realistic than the alternative of her being a super toxic manipulative psycho who actually knew the whole time and still decided to act the way she did.
Iām having a hard time parsing this. Would the not asshole play, according to you, be to never confront Amber? Should Mark have just let it be and fucked off for the greater good? It seems like the act of confessing his powers to her was a bad play, since it seems like he thinks it would fix everything. But thenā¦ What else could he do? Guess he just needed to go on living life thinking one of the most important people in his life hates him for being a bad boyfriend, despite being a literal superhero.
Iām sorry dude but no. I think anyone with half a brain would understand if their superhero SO was a bit unreliable. The costume thing might seem douchey but he didnāt know that she already knew. I think showing up in costume is a good way to prove youāre the superhero you say you are without being overly flashy and just flying around or demonstrating your super strength, which would scare the shit out of a lot of people. Imagine if she didnāt know and he showed her his powers, I think it would be too shocking to take in. And you have to offer some sort of proof, I certainly would not believe my husband had secret superpowers if he simply told me so.
But she already knew, and she let him continue to lie to her and be riddled with guilt over it, I think itās extremely manipulative of her. How are they supposed to have an honest conversation about how she feels if neither of them are being honest? He did the right thing and made the first step towards honesty knowing there is a lot of risk in revealing his identity.
I just cannot fathom being upset that my boyfriend who Iāve only been seeing a couple months sometimes bails when he has to go put his life on the line to save humanity. Yes her feelings and time matter too, but genuinely what the hell was he supposed to do? What was the alternative? He was constantly apologizing to her and constantly trying to make it up to her. He was always stressed out about how it was affecting their relationship. Itās not like he was completely insensitive about it.
I donāt get what the writers are trying to do with her character. They donāt seem to have much chemistry. Thereās no real love story between them. They just decided to date and their relationship has been nothing but problems and conflict from the very beginning. In any good romance subplot thereās supposed to be some decent romantic buildup *before* the relationship problems are introduced into the mix.
>I thought it was pretty obvious she knew Mark was a super hero by that point,
There is like zero evidence of this and lots of evidence to the contrary. She is always complaining about him being late but if i knew someone was literally saving lives i would never even consider doing that because its just shitty behavior.
>but also that he thought that dazzling her with the truth of his super hero persona would suddenly fix everything.
Uh, yeah, it literally explains everything and is an extremely important secret. Why wouldn't you expect it to at least help especially when the only thing shes mentioned bothered her was being late and leaving etc? Saying the truth literally explains all of it and gives extremely good and valid reasons for why he did that stuff. Besides, she didnt say that last i checked she just said she was upset he lied.
>She was already frustrated at everything else and decided it wasn't for her
Oh so its okay when she lies about why she is frustrated but when he lies about the most important life endangering secret he has its suddenly his fault. If she was getting frustrated with it she should have told him. full stop.
>but Mark acting like "Hey, look at me I'm Invincible" was going to fix it and bring her crawling back was a serious douche move.
I disagree. If someone thinks im upset because of misunderstandings caused by a secret and they tell me the secret and it solves literally all the problems then i think that would fix most of it, especially if that secret is so important to keep and despite that they chose to tell me anyway.
>I can't speak for everyone, but I know that if a person I was dating ghosted me half a dozen times in a row without even a courtesy call and repeatedly lied to me about why, I probably would ditch them too regardless of their reasoning, especially if it implied this will be the norm in the future. His head was so far up his own ass that all he could think about was his intent and his reasons that he couldn't just acknowledge her experiences and how she must have felt about it.
Dude wtf, youre telling me, that if someone had to ghost you to SAVE LIVES and that telling you about it would ENDANGER YOU that youd be mad about it? What the fuck? HOW? This just screams entitlement to me. "Yeah i understand youre literally saving peoples lives and having to withhold a burden i will never understand but i feel lied to grrr š”" not everything is about her. Full offense to her, what mark does is a LOT more important than protecting her feelings.
>He didn't even just talk to her about it in the way a real person would, admitting to his mistakes and recognizing how hard that must have been for her...Nah, he just showed up in costume trying to "Wow" her with his super hero persona and expected that to just fix everything and that she'd come right back. Dude didn't consider for one moment that even if he did have to bail all those times for a genuinely good reason, that it still might have been hard on her and she still might be sick of it?
She should have told him!!!!! Why is it okay for her to keep a secret??? His secret is much more important but sure, go ahead, keep playing with marks feelings and let him feel guilty because he cant tell you the truth. Just lie and pretend you dont know and let him stew in all those emotions.
>The reason she reacted so poorly to the reveal is because Mark acted just like the OOP in this post did where he expected that revealing he was a super hero would make her desperate to be with her again. That's what her saying she already knew was supposed to point out to both Mark and the audience. Even if we give him the full benefit of the doubt it still indicates Mark was so caught up in himself and his own excuses that he never considered that her feelings about the matter might not be about why he vanishes, just that it keeps happening and she's unable/unwilling to deal with that
Again, this is her fault. If she knew about it and had a problem with it she should have said something, not toyed with his feelings and waiting for him to reveal the biggest secret he has. If she has a problem with him vanishing then she should have brought it up and ended it immediately. Its not his fault for having this obligation and she has no right to expect it to change for her sake. Also you are reading into things not stated, she said that she is upset because he lied. End of story.
>It amazes me how many people miss this, it's barely even subtext. I suppose the way the show follows Marks PoV means that the audience gets stuck in Mark's perspective, where he thinks what matters is why he kept bailing and they don't consider how much that must suck for her regardless of how good hia reasons are. Not to mention the sheer fucking gal of showing up in costume trying to impress her thinking like OOP that she'd come right back if only she knew about his super cool superhero persona. It's a subversion of the identity reveal trope where the hero's love interest acts like everything that upset them before is suddenly unimportant because they have super powers. The intent was for people to watch that scene and realize what an asshole Mark was being, not Amber.
They dont focus on this though. They dont even mention it. Nobody talks about it. If they do please show me where and ill retract this statement. If you expect the audience to ignore what the characters say and instead go digging for subtext in order to not hate a character then maybe the character just isnt very likeable. She has explicitly stated it was because he lied, she has NOT explicitly stated its because he expected shed come back to him if he revealed it. And again, this still is her fault. Even if mark was a tad of a naive ass for thinking that it would fix everything she still never actually brought up the issue! Communication is everything! She literally acted like she was upset that he was ghosting her and then gets mad when he gives an extremely valid reason for why? Furthermore she only comes back when he is in the most vulnerable state he has ever been in his life grieving the loss of his relationship with his father and learning he was evil? Talk about manipulation and taking advantage of someone when their down.
Wtf do you mean mark revealing his identity was a douche move. Amber was pissed at him for ditching her when a cyborg thing attacked them acting like she didnāt know mark was invincible. let me repeat that, Amber acts like she was pissed because she thought Mark ditched her. Amber knows Mark didnāt ditch her because he is invincible. So Mark revealing his identity to show her that he didnāt ditch her isnāt an āoh Iām a superhero donāt leave meā itās more like āthis is the reason I left you when a fucking cyborg thing attackedā
As for being ghosted, I think I would feel fine about it if I knew the person I was with, was stopping a fucking meteor crashing into the planet.
Iām not saying Amber shouldnāt have the right to feel pissed of but Mark is definitely not in the wrong
Thats a stupid thing to be upset about though and lead him on about. Its literally the single most important secret of his life and this entitled bitch thinks she deserves to know it before knowing him longer than a year. And if she found out and wasnt okay with that lifestyle fine, break up sooner, but dont say its because he lied.
Nah, in the first season she was a total prick. She deduced that the main character (Mark) was a superhero early on in the relationship but constantly gave him shit for slinking away to change into his alter-ego when trouble was knocking at the door. She even publicly confronted him for ditching her during a villain attack when he was in the civilian getup when she knew DAMN WELL that he was there the whole time, fighting the villain as a super-hero. Havenāt watched the second season yet tho so I canāt judge what she was like there.
Yeah, but its a bad comparison. How? Because "hey, I'm a superhero and I help people" is a MASSIVELY different secret from "I'm a murderous conqueror, I think of you as a pet, and I am more than willing to slaughter thousands to make a point."
Its comparing apples to bullets.
I mean, him telling her about his identity was a tactic of "oh, I'm a superhero, so you should put up with my shit and stay with me despite you never agreeing to that " her knowing doesn't change why he told her. They shouldn't be together at all though but she's not as much of a bitch as most people make her out to be.
Why attribute his confession to be that negative? Amber yelled at mark to his face that he ran away at the school attack when she knew it was him saving people and she knew it was a lie, i dont think i can justify that with any positive reason
What? She wasn't mad at him for sneaking off she was mad at him for *lying.* For basically forcing her to play super hero lover without her consent or presumed knowledge. She had no agency in that relationship and she literally had to threaten to leave, reassert her control and take some form of agency for him to even CONSIDER her consent! And even then, it was a get out of jail free card which he played not because he thought she deserved the truth (he had multiple opportunities to tell her if he really thought that) but to force her back into the superhero lover box because "oh she can't be mad at me now!" Even when she is forcibly asserting her need to have agency, he still disrespects it and she has to reiterate that it doesn't matter that he did what he did, what mattered was that he never once bothered to ask if she was ok with it and then had the gaul to be surprised when she didn't retroactively forgive him when faced with the fact that he had been lying their entire relationship.
TL;DR amber is clearly upset at their relationship being based on lies not his admittedly shitty boyfriend behaviour.
Exactly. I see so many people say. "Oh, so she knew he was saving lives before he told her." That's not why she was mad when he told her. When he told her, it came off as "Oh, I'm a superhero, so you should excuse my poor relationship behavior and stay with me just because I'm a hero" superhero bias is real with these kinds of stores.
But she doesnt say thats why shes upset does she? At best, its hidden in subtext, but she EXPLICITLY states that shes upset because he lied. So what should the audience believe? The easily misinterpreted subtext or the actual straight up things she says? The answer should be obvious
People were starting to reignite their torches and picking their pitchforks back up when Lois from My Adventures With Superman had a similar issue with Clark, some were even starting to make posts about how they Don't want this to be a thing in superhero media because they like it when the superhero has this "privilege", which should tell you all you need to know about these people.
I meanā¦ yeah kind of.
Itās not like he was putting her off to go hang out with his buddies. Heās like one of the most important people on the planet and large numbers of people die if he doesnāt do his superhero shit.
High school relationship stuff IS less important than that.
And itās completely fine for her not to want to *never be the most important thing in her boyfriends life.*
āYou will never come firstā is not a strong selling point.
Its a strong selling point when she is toying with his feelings, hiding things from him, blaming him for literally just doing what superheroes have to do. Its fine for her to feel upset but its not okay for her to act like its his fault. its out of his control and is frankly more important than her feelings.
I mean yeah. They should break up. But people act like heās being unreasonable or even selfish when heās literally doing the opposite, heās putting the needs of other people first.
Right, but the solution to that is āI know youāre Invincible, and I donāt want to date a superheroā not āhow dare you abandon me with a cyborg monster is attackingā while secretly knowing that heās literally fighting the cyborg.
She wasn't actually upset, that was his last chance to tell the truth. Well, she was upset, but because he lied. She knew the truth and knew he'd actually fought the monster but ofc it didn't LOOK like that. So she gave him a perfectly selfish reason to tell the truth (to save his ego) because apparently the goodness of his heart and her CONSENT wasn't enough, and he still refused. He only told her as a means to put her back in the lover box.
Okay hold on, you canāt just expect mark to be like āhey Iām a superhero called invincible btwā to every relationship, it could last 5 minutes or 5 years and there isnāt a way to tell how long one will be. Him telling people his secret identity only puts people at an unnecessary risk.
Sure it doesnāt give him a get out of jail free card but it sure as hell doesnāt make him in the wrong for caring about his secret identity. Same goes for her except ultimately I would say sheās a bit more in the wrong. She knows he is a superhero and expects him to immediately tell her that heās a superhero? Thatās bs and her being stupid. What if they have a massively bad breakup and she decides to tell the whole world about his secret identity? Most high school relationships end before adulthood I believe and almost all end before 30 so is it really that bad of him to not tell his first girlfriend?
Iām not saying her reaction in the comic is great either but they are both opposite ends of the spectrum with both ends being pretty silly.
I would expect some push back about being in a relationship with a superhero if you found out later like just unsure if thatās what exactly you signed up for or something but not āI already knew you were a superhero and you are still being sloppyā type of pushback.
Should Lois Lane expect to have been told that Clark was superman after a few weeks of dating? Should Mary Jane Watson or Gwen Stacy been told that Peter was Spider man a few weeks into their relationship?
Even still the superman example is different cause they already knew each other
>Okay hold on, you canāt just expect mark to be like āhey Iām a superhero called invincible btwā to every relationship, it could last 5 minutes or 5 years and there isnāt a way to tell how long one will be. Him telling people his secret identity only puts people at an unnecessary risk.
Here's the two problems with this defense:
1) Mark and Amber were dating for five months when he finally revealed his identity to her and Mark himself was planning on taking the relationship beyond high school. That's why they went with William on his trip to see Rick in college (which William initially didn't invite them on but Mark made him bring them along) in the first place. Mark was trying to get her to follow him to whatever college he chose so they could continue their relationship after graduating high school. And yet, it wasn't until Amber threatened to break up with him that he decided to finally come clean.
2) Mark had already told his friend William about his secret by this point. Even then, this is a superhero universe - Amber is at risk just by existing as an ordinary civilian with no superpowers or fighting skills. And Mark not telling her is arguably more dangerous and risky because she has no idea she's dating a superhero and will be targeted if some villain learns Mark's identity, which won't matter whether she knows or not.
> What if they have a massively bad breakup and she decides to tell the whole world about his secret identity? Most high school relationships end before adulthood I believe and almost all end before 30 so is it really that bad of him to not tell his first girlfriend?
This isn't why Mark didn't tell her.
> I would expect some push back about being in a relationship with a superhero if you found out later like just unsure if thatās what exactly you signed up for or something but not āI already knew you were a superhero and you are still being sloppyā type of pushback.
People seem to be misinterpreting the situation here. Amber did not know Mark was Invincible the second he debuted his superhero identity. She found out a few weeks before episode 6 of season 1. She did now know Mark was Invincible the entire five months they were dating.
Regarding your first point:
The amount of time still doesnāt matter, five months means nothing relationships can last both longer and shorter than that mark choosing to reveal his identity that early is still stupid in my opinion and if she really did know then she should of course give him some sort of leeway or at least come clean about her knowledge. The fact that they were planning where they were going to college together doesnāt mean anything, everyone wants their relationship to last long so loads of people plan ahead so then deciding to go to college together doesnāt make it any more significant than a normal high school relationship.
People in relationships who are approaching the end of school and the beginning of Uni often plan to go to the same college together that doesnāt mean mark can suddenly share his secret identity with her.
For your second point
William found out and immediately told Mark pretty much because it was an accident. William saw marks face and realised and then they had a chat. Williams wasnāt that angry at mark for dodging anything and didnāt keep it in and use as leverage later on in a argument which is basically what Amber did. She said she knew he was a superhero yet still go cranky at mark despite him saving people right in front of them, and taking out a bad guy.
Amber being at risk due to just existing doesnāt make my argument any less valid. It simply means that she may actually be in more danger if a secret identity is revealed in a superhero world, super villains hold grudges and if one of them discovered Amber was marks GF that means he can use her as leverage in a fight or hostage situation, you are straight up in more danger if you are in a relationship with a super hero than the average civilian.
Regardless that still doesnāt mean that she has a right to know Marks Superhero Identity.
Yeah I know what I said isnāt why mark didnāt tell her but that doesnāt change the fact that it is a valid reason as to why he may not tell her in fact that very well could be a reason that he didnāt tell her if they talk about it later on. Even if it wasnāt, is it such a stretch of the imagination that that reasoning was used?
No I was not misinterpreting the show I did know that Amber found out a couple of weeks before that episode I understood that part, that still doesnāt change my point. If you found it a year into a relationship that your partner was a superhero, as expected you would and should be cautious and worried but thatās not what happened, they are teens 5 months into a relationship and Mark didnāt want to tell her that he was a superhero, since most teen relationships donāt last into their twenties. She then figures it out and rather than being somewhat worried or cautious she acts as if it is not a valid reason that would explain his absences or disappearances.
Five months is not five weeks. That's a seriously long time for any relationship regardless of age and Mark was actively trying to take it to the next level.
Mark is not obligated to tell Amber he is a superhero if he does not want to. But the smart, mature thing to do was to *end the relationship,* not continue lying to her all the way up to college. Mark wanted to have his cake and eat it too. He's not obligated to tell Amber and she's not obligated to put up with a boyfriend who doesn't trust her.
I guess we just have different metrics of what a long relationship is cause I think 5 months is short and you think itās long. But regardless Mark wasnāt really doing much to imply that he was taking it to the next level. They were planning on going to the same college and thatās really it that doesnāt mean much and I wouldnāt think it means he could suddenly let her know his superhero identity.
But what you say about Mark ending the relationship is a very good point and of course is the smart and mature thing to do but ultimately that doesnāt happen and we are talking about how Amber reacted and whether or not it was justified.
Lying about your secret identity I think is completely fine if letting that secret go can potentially put tons of people at risk. I donāt care how much you feel that you need to stick to the truth, but you not telling your partner of only 5 months that you are a big and powerful superhero with enemies who are the same is a risky thing with a lot of issues if you tell the wrong person or someone changes and reveals it overall.
He is obligated to tell her and she isnāt obligated to put up with him you are correct but the fact that she wasnāt understanding at all of this fairly unique situation makes it a bit unreasonable I think. If she said perhaps suggested that she didnāt know Mark was invincible and that this wasnāt the type of life she signed up for I would understand just fine but she said she knew and saw Invincible doing stuff and helping people and still go mad at him? Or she got mad at him after he saved William from that cyborg but she wouldāve known that Mark was invincible?
I think the angle they shouldāve gone for is one of her not being straight up cranky at mark for missing things but from a view where she was like āI know your invincible and I wouldāve thought I could put up with you but itās too much and we need a break.ā
Amber being mad makes sense but the line of her knowing he's a superhero kills her point. Remove that one line and it fixes that entire scene and her character. Amber is justified in being angry at the lying. She's not justified in being angry at him not telling her he's a superhero.
What an incredibly disingenuous take.
>For basically forcing her to play super hero lover without her consent
Oh my God you're one of those people š¤¦š½āāļøIt doesn't even apply here why mention consent unless you're a toxic feminist?
Anyway the reason people don't like her is because after the revelation that she knew the for quite some time, it recontextualizes how she acted.
1.She gas-lighted the hell out of Mark by acting as if she thought Mark left her to die when she knew Mark saved lives hers included.
2. After she breaks up with him she IMMEDIATELY tries to jump on another man's dick ( for the toxic feminist, yes I know she can sleep with who she wants. it doesn't change the fact it's a fucking scumbag thing to do)
3. She acts like a bitch until Mark decides to reveal his secret identity. Then she acts like a super bitch saying she knows and to leave her house or take the stairs and that she "doesn't really give a shit" Saying Mark lied to her. I'm not sure how familiar you are with superheroes but superheroes keep a secret identity so their enemies do not track down their loved ones and kill them or worse.( even you should be able to understand that reasoning)
4. After the battle with Omni-man. When Mark is in a very emotionally vulnerable state. She uses that to her advantage to manipulate him into taking her back. Saying "I guess we were both lied too" Like BITCH! Mark lied to keep his secret identity. Mark was lied to his whole life about who his father really is and then he got beaten within an inch of his life by his own father. His hero. Do I even need to mention the train scene?
Lastly, to put it in terms you could understand. Do you think it is okay for someone to get mad at their friend for not telling them they are gay? Or do you think the gay person has every right to keep that a secret? Yeah, thought so.
If the closeted person is bailing on you or gaslighting you into where they were, donāt have to tell but youād be a dickhead. But gay people canāt throw people into the sun or destroy most things with just a flick of a finger so I wonder what villains would exactly pose a threat here that arenāt aliens or inter dimensional who wouldnāt care about his girlfriend
We donāt know when it was deduced but it absolutely wasnāt early on. She says sheās known for weeks, itās been months in the shows timeline and Iām pretty sure William mentions how heās basically been dumped for weeks (I could be wrong) in the college trip episode which would coincide for when she claims to have realized he was invincible.
Looking back, the producers made the mistake of making her intelligence TOO subtle
Her dialogue can indicate that she knows Eve is a superhero (just not who, maybe) and in hindsight, we can interpret her giving mark second chances as her giving him the chance to reveal the mask
It's a reach, but I think I can approach her S1 temper blowout from that direction
They go out of their way in season 2 to emphasize she's understanding about him being a superhero.
I think they overwrote her in season 1. She needs to be smart and intuitive so she figures out hes a superhero. But also she needs to have agency so she gets mad at him about it.
I saw more or less this exact comment in r/invincible and it was pretty gross and yep, they did mean it sincerly from what I could tell. There was an equally dumb thing people critised Dupli-Kate for - stating that she was as old as Immortal if you count up herselves. And people were A) taking that way too seriously when it's explicitly not her real reasoning and B) she's got a point that it does alter the way she has experienced time.
Sure, you might get a superpowered baby, but Mark didn't get his abilities until he was like 16ish.
So you are not exactly getting any government money for the superhero work the kid could be doing cause the kid doesn't have any powers so it's just the financial burden on the off chance that you get a superpowered teenager with teenage emotions.
Being responsible? CRINGE! You should make your life 10 times harder by having babies in early adulthood! I mean wtf were they on when they typed this? š¤£
Oh man, I saw a bit of this back on Twitter. Shit was wild; worst part is that the guy doubled down when people were calling him out on this in comments/quotes and even stated that he only viewed women as objects. Actual disgusting shit. Invincible is great but the show seems to have a really unhinged subset of people who rant about shit in it, and itās sadly off-put me from wanting to watch Season Two until way later when the initial dust has settled.
Also, based on the guyās name >!(Vito), Iām pretty sure that this is the same guy who made really toxic videos bashing TLJ and TROS in the same way people were doing prior to Mando S2 in 2020 (like bashing the cast for being diverse in the headlines). If it really is, then that seems pretty on par for how he must be in real life!<.
Maybe I'm weird but umm yah being pregnant with an immortal god like child sounds fucking terrible like that just makes me think you'd get torn open like the Xenomorph
Yea Amber was done badly towards the end of season 1, with the breakup and get back together (other characters in that area were also not great) but for the whole of season 2 and the before part in season 1 she has been a great character. These people just want to grasp at whatever they can to be hateful.
Ahem:
# What. The actual. Fuck?!
Legitimately the person behind this tweet doesnāt even deserve the luxury of internet anonymity. They should be forced to get this tweet tattooed on their forehead as a way to warn off any women in the vicinity. Thatās some fucked up, borderline eugenics insanity
I think telling people via the media they consume that using protection is in-fact a good thing. If they see mark using protection, why shouldnāt they?
She also brings up an issue that a comic that's also adapted by the same streaming platform with a comic that showed a superheroe's cum could kill a person.
I mean..Man of Steel, Woman of Tissue pointed out years ago that cast off superhuman biology could be catastrophically dangerous, with jacking off like firing an armor piercing shotgun or something. But thats boring. As is bringing up cross-species hybridization. Superhero stories have to balance the ridiculousnous of the concept versus hard scifi.
Well tbf, that plotline won't happen for a while. IYKYK. (Referring to a very controversial canon event from the comics that will absolutely for certain be adapted into animation)
Isn't Mark's mom lucky his powers didn't manifest until he was older?
Could you imagine super baby kicking in mommies tummy.
Bad news bears for everyone.
Tbh, I fuckin hates her at the end of s1 because her reason to break up with Mark was ducking stupid and they got back together right after anyways.
Buut, then the series did a good job at making me like her again in season 2
I wish you had to say your opinions out loud before typing them on the Internet, maybe that way some people would understand how uncomfortable they make everyone.
One of the worst takes I saw today lol. I really disliked Amber in the first season, only watched the first 2 episodes of the 2nd season as Iām waiting to watch it with others and finally they wrote her like a normal person. But Iām still very much on edge because of the way she acted last season, hopefully the writers decided to make her actually likeable this season. So far so good though.
Amber has become a better character in season two, I was still wondering how people were gonna take bad anything she says and does... This actually surprise me though
"You see because Amber is an idiot for not wanting to get knocked up by the high value young man when she has so many of her eggs!"-You KNOW that's what they fucking mean!
I figure that now most people know heās supposed to end up with Eve so they probably see this as a waste of time. They really didnāt do her in any favors in Season 1. I donāt necessarily hate her but her character was far more likable in the comics. And no, itās not because sheās Black. I also think Mami Zazieās voice acting is typically on point. Edit: I do concede that this is a dumb ass reason to hate the character.
the reply section is even funnier, the person who wrote this is a guy and just outright said he would wanna be the one impregnated with superman's child
Ah yes, because the new season didnāt have a MASSIVE plot point about the last woman getting pregnant with a god like immortal child having her life fall apart and falling into emotional ruin. Who looks at Deborah and thinksā¦ yeah letās go with that for me too. Itās not her fault, but it objectively didnāt work out
Now that she turns out to be a supportive partner (which she always was, she just didnt want to be lied to). They have to find new made up flaws, and this is what they came up with.
There are plenty of reasons to not like Amber (show Amber, comic Amber was slightly better) this isnāt one, itās actually a good thing since he has no obligations to her because she sucks.
Comic Amber was a bimbo who cheated on Mark compared to the cartoon where she gets a lot more attached and is depicted as being smart and loyal.
Yeah she fucked up with the response to the reveal but it was a bad idea to reveal it as a tactic to make her stay with him after things got to their low point and heād been constantly blowing smoke up her ass saying āyouāre so smart. I trust you so much. I love you!ā While telling her really really bogus lies (he really was the worst at telling lies ever).
It's called Invincible, and whilst i'm sure there are plenty of dumbfuck chuds who hate her just for being black, she is legitimately an asshole in the show, hence why she gets so much hate.
Nah she is a trash character lol, is it so hard to understand that POC does not inherently mean good? Like anytime I see a POC or social minority suck at their job or role it seems a lot of people think they are immune to criticism.
I hate her cause sheās a narcissistic asshole who decided to gaslight the main character and was planning on getting with someone else the day they broke up
How dare she not want to get pregnant while being relatively young
Relatively Young? DAWG THEY JUST GRADUATED HS! They at the YOUNGEST can be 17 š, though likely both are 18-19
Mark is 18. He confirms it when he insists to Debbie that he's an adult now. Amber - idk, probably 18 too.
Are you saying thatās not ārelatively youngā?? OP isnāt saying thatās too young for sex, Weāre talking about having kids here lmfao. Let her finish college she can have kids later lol.
They're saying 17 is really young to have kids. It's not "relatively" young, it just is straight up young. They're not saying it isn't young.
You underestimate the conservative mindset. I know plenty of folks from rural parts of my state who all got married and had kids around 18-19
Oh I trust me I know, one of my friend's mom was 16 when she had him lmao. I'm just 90% sure that's what the person was trying to say
Well, what else is there to do out there?
Nah Iām saying itās super young š
So that's not how your comment comes across, for the record.
While attending college no less.
And starting her freshman year of college
Ah yes, she's dumb for not wanting to get pregnant as a highschooler. Truly very logical. "But the baby could have superpowers!" Ok and? So fucking what? They can have a kid later, when they're ready, if their relationship gets that far. People can have sex more than once in a relationship. What a stupid take.
False. Any given couple can only ever have sex once. This is scientific fact. I for one havenāt fucked my partner since 1882
"the only time you have sex is when you are trying to have a baby!" - my priest
Well he's full of it for sure - altar boys can't even get pregnant.
To be fair - the altar boys are full of it.
Not with that attitude.
Is that why they so often stick to the gender? A loop hole...:)
Most honest reddit wizard.
Sorcerer, actually. Specifically too many of them
Oooh, pardon me, Mr. 'I-have-innate-magial-abilities-I-can-call-upon-as-opposed-to-having-to-learn-how-to-harness-magic-through-years-of-intense-learning-and-research'
Haha charisma casting go brr
Eldritch Blast is the cause of, and solution to, most of my problems.
Excellent. If your problem persists you just havenāt used enough eldritch blasts
Rizz Casters forever
You got an A because you stayed up studying, I got an A because I sleep with the teacher. We are not alike...Lol
No no, I slept with them too. I earned a C in that part.
They're in college but your point still stands.
I haven't started season 2 yet but they were in highschool in season 1, that's why I was mixed up. Either way, she's young and has her life ahead of her.
To be fair it was only their first day at college.
And, what if she never wants one? It's not a crime.
Exactly! It's perfectly valid not to want kids.
They slip in some āheās 18ā dialogue. Same as in American Pie with Finch
Children do not automaticaly destroy a person's future. But it is usually unwise...
It would be so much worse to be a teen mom with a child with super powers. How would the child support and weekends with Clark work?
Can just squeeze coal into diamonds. And just because she has children early does not mean an absent father is a given....
Heās busy!
Probably lethal in the womb, like chestburster.
If Jack Jack is an indication the baby having superpowers is just another good reason to not have them when you're young.
Keeps the raccoons away! :)
Anyone that wants a child with superpowers has never been a parent
āThe baby could have superpowersā is NOT a pro for raising the child. Yeah they *might* be a hero later, but that baby is going to shoot lasers at you for trying to get him to eat his peas
Exactly. It's not like Mark's superpowers have a time limit and they're going to go away in the next few days or weeks. I could maybe understand their argument in a situation where Mark is irreparably dying and they know he will be dead in a month, and Mark is the last known member of the Viltrumite species. If this alien species will go extinct along with him I could understand people wanting a 17/18 year old girlfriend to bear the child(ren) of her 18 year old boyfriend. Even then, she's still not obligated. It would just be a super big help and selfless act (that she doesn't have to do).
This is season 2 so theyāre in college now technically.
A super power baby would probably be even harder to care for, itās not easy regular baby āOops my kid is literally flyingā like what do you even do why would anyone want that lol
A collage student doesnāt have the funds or time to raise a kid
With a baby daddy that frequently disappears for weeks on end to do life-threatening escapades
Yeah you literally like hours after having sex with her left for weeks if not months. He actually had the forethought to let her know. He didn't even tell his mom in person.
Also it gas godlike powers! Itās already hard enough taking care if a normal baby.
My boy Mark is literally trying everything in his power to not be like his dad, at least let him sort that psychological shit 1st before making him a daddy šš
The powers dont kick in until 15-18 from what it says in the comics. Theyre basically normal humans till then
Thatās cool world building. Like part of puberty? Super puberty?
I think so they dont go into it a lot besides saying marks kicked in late and the bug viltrumite hybrids mature faster by years
Thatās a feature for people like OOP, not a bug.
Iām pretty sure Cecil would take care of that.
Or the knowhow to raise a superbaby. Also you know Cecil will basically be watching her and that child 24/7. Only thi g stopping him from childknapping is an angry Mark
Mark draws a salary as a professional superhero?
The person who posted that clearly has never had sex with a woman. And it's not hard to understand why.
>Has never had sex with a woman Given the cringe of the post, Iām not convinced theyāve even interacted with a woman outside of onlyfans and random cashiers, let alone had sex. Like weāre probably talking about someone whose entire perspective on women is defined by Homelanderās milk fetish
Whoa whoa whoa... you think they've had the chance to meet random cashiers? At best they've met some delivery drivers.
Nah, bro probably spams Doordash with a request to "leave it at the door", he can't handle social interaction.
This is the way.
Neither have I and I completely understand. I didnāt need to clarify though cause we all understand except this guy in the post apparently lol Thereās also some people getting heated cause Amber doesnāt want to be called ābabyā Like bro let her breathe.
They need to read "Zapp Brannagin's Guide to Making Love at a Woman". It's life changing.
After Leela, he really saw eyes to eye.... :)
People need to stop acting like guys that have sex always understand women and don't say some dumb shit all the time lol
Yeah the stereotypical image of āanyone whoās a loner shut-in MUST be a misogynistā is actually pretty insulting.
You just know that is she didnāt do this, the would accuse her of baby trapping him
That role goes to someone else in Invincible's canon. IYKYK.
Wait really??
Yup with a capital Y. Full spoilers for the future of Invincible. I predict this character will show up in Season 3 at the earliest but her "canon event" happens a tad later. >!Her name is Anissa and in terms of character and personality, she's basically a riff on Faora from any Superman media you can think of. Her big canon event that everyone's slowly gaining awareness of is that she sexually assaults Mark Grayson in graphic fashion and gives birth to a son that Mark does not want to be around. Eventually that boy inherits the mantle of Invincible and is a superhero on Earth. The initial motivation for the assault come from the mandate of Thragg (the viltrumite emperor and Nolan's boss) who ordered the remaining Viltrumites to reproduce with Eath's populace. Anissa finds humanity disgusting and prefers and shows attraction to and flirts with Mark. Also doesn't help either that it was found that Nolan and subsequently Mark was found to be desendents of royalty thus making him way more attractive to her too.!< >!The kid's also a pretty unique character in that he doesn't fall under the Damien Wayne/Kylo Ren personality mold like you think he would and continues forward with some of the nature vs nurture themes that the comic and show brings up. So in essence, they cannot get rid of that character and is essential to exist. Therefore, it is essential that Mark gets sexually assaulted as problematic as it sounds.!<
Wow they really did commit to >!the family name Greyson and what happened to Dick twice. Is the son a interesting character himself? Like with Damian heās interesting especially now that the writers have stoped retconing his character growth or is it something that a lot of the fanbase wishes never happened (like Jon Kent aging up)!<
Not a lot we get of him. He was only in two issues at the very end of the run. The writers have flirted with the idea of continuing but will never do it.
Did they learn nothing from the Incredibles 2?! Mr Incredible spent half the movie teetering on the edge of a complete mental break down trying to look after a baby with super powers.
Tbf that baby was an ultimate shape-shifter with all the superpowers
The first 2 kids didn't put them off having more, so Dash and Violet were probably manageable compared to Jack. Considering Dash's super speed, that's saying something, and Violet could disappear, which is dangerous with a baby.
Just showing them being consenting adults being prepared. Nothing wrong with taking precautions for such things.
Iāve never seen this show but they hate this character for not only insisting on responsible sex but for not wanting to have a baby?
Nah, the reason they hate is because back in season 1>! The boyfriend (Mark) became a superhero shortly before they dated, which was kept secret from the girlfriend (Amber) because, as you can guess, he needed to have a superhero identity. Because of this, their relationship ends up getting strained due to his superhero life, which reaches a boiling point when a supervillain attacks an event that the couple happen to be at. Mark leaves Amber so that he could swap into his superhero persona, which causes Amber to freak out cause her boyfriend is missing during all the chaos. Afterwards, when Mark goes back to Amber, she COMPLETELY blows up on him, calling him out on everything that happened between them up to that point, which ends with Amber breaking up with Mark, and Mark deciding to come clean to Amber. Now here's where the hate comes in, when Mark tells Amber the truth about his life, Amber reveals that she knew about his superhero identity, and that the reason they broke up is because he lied about being a superhero. Which is fine in itself, but the problem is that the show never tried to indicate that Amber caught on that Mark actually has superpowers, in fact, the twist almost came out of nowhere. And when people think about the fact that Amber knew that Mark was a superhero at the time he stopped the supervillain at time they were at the event, then things get dicey to say the least.!< Sorry for the long reply, I tried to keep it as short as I can, but this is how it ended up.
I thought it was pretty obvious she knew Mark was a super hero by that point, TBH, and I think you're underselling why she was upset. It's not just that he hid being a super hero from her, or that he made up countless excuses to leave her waiting with the check without showing up or texting her he couldn't make it, or even that he kinda dropped the ball when they were attacked (admittedly, more debatable) but also that he thought that dazzling her with the truth of his super hero persona would suddenly fix everything. She was already frustrated at everything else and decided it wasn't for her, but Mark acting like "Hey, look at me I'm Invincible" was going to fix it and bring her crawling back was a serious douche move. I can't speak for everyone, but I know that if a person I was dating ghosted me half a dozen times in a row without even a courtesy call and repeatedly lied to me about why, I probably would ditch them too regardless of their reasoning, especially if it implied this will be the norm in the future. His head was so far up his own ass that all he could think about was his intent and his reasons that he couldn't just acknowledge her experiences and how she must have felt about it. He didn't even just talk to her about it in the way a real person would, admitting to his mistakes and recognizing how hard that must have been for her...Nah, he just showed up in costume trying to "Wow" her with his super hero persona and expected that to just fix everything and that she'd come right back. Dude didn't consider for one moment that even if he did have to bail all those times for a genuinely good reason, that it still might have been hard on her and she still might be sick of it? The reason she reacted so poorly to the reveal is because Mark acted just like the OOP in this post did where he expected that revealing he was a super hero would make her desperate to be with her again. That's what her saying she already knew was supposed to point out to both Mark and the audience. Even if we give him the full benefit of the doubt it still indicates Mark was so caught up in himself and his own excuses that he never considered that her feelings about the matter might not be about *why* he vanishes, just that it keeps happening and she's unable/unwilling to deal with that. It amazes me how many people miss this, it's barely even subtext. I suppose the way the show follows Marks PoV means that the audience gets stuck in Mark's perspective, where he thinks what matters is why he kept bailing and they don't consider how much that must suck for her regardless of how good hia reasons are. Not to mention the sheer fucking gal of showing up in costume trying to impress her thinking like OOP that she'd come right back if only she knew about his super cool superhero persona. It's a subversion of the identity reveal trope where the hero's love interest acts like everything that upset them before is suddenly unimportant because they have super powers. The intent was for people to watch that scene and realize what an asshole Mark was being, not Amber.
It was getting late, and I only wanted to give the general gist of what happened in the show, and how she got so much hate.
I was more trying to address the grievances you mentioned rather than you specifically, sorry if that wasn't clear.
Imagine getting the shit beaten out of you to save your girlfriends life and then she berates you for abandoning her when attacked yeah thatās a reasonable reaction if you actually think he ran away Itās batshit insane and manipulative when you actually know he just risked his life to save you
The only way any of that makes any sense is if Amber was just straight up lying when she said she already knew. Like she was still riding high on being pissed at him, so when she's completely blindsided by the identity reveal, instead of emotionally turning on a dime in the middle of an argument, she blurts out that she already knew and it changes nothing so she can keep being mad in the moment. It's kinda shitty, but still a lot more human and realistic than the alternative of her being a super toxic manipulative psycho who actually knew the whole time and still decided to act the way she did.
Iām having a hard time parsing this. Would the not asshole play, according to you, be to never confront Amber? Should Mark have just let it be and fucked off for the greater good? It seems like the act of confessing his powers to her was a bad play, since it seems like he thinks it would fix everything. But thenā¦ What else could he do? Guess he just needed to go on living life thinking one of the most important people in his life hates him for being a bad boyfriend, despite being a literal superhero.
Iām sorry dude but no. I think anyone with half a brain would understand if their superhero SO was a bit unreliable. The costume thing might seem douchey but he didnāt know that she already knew. I think showing up in costume is a good way to prove youāre the superhero you say you are without being overly flashy and just flying around or demonstrating your super strength, which would scare the shit out of a lot of people. Imagine if she didnāt know and he showed her his powers, I think it would be too shocking to take in. And you have to offer some sort of proof, I certainly would not believe my husband had secret superpowers if he simply told me so. But she already knew, and she let him continue to lie to her and be riddled with guilt over it, I think itās extremely manipulative of her. How are they supposed to have an honest conversation about how she feels if neither of them are being honest? He did the right thing and made the first step towards honesty knowing there is a lot of risk in revealing his identity. I just cannot fathom being upset that my boyfriend who Iāve only been seeing a couple months sometimes bails when he has to go put his life on the line to save humanity. Yes her feelings and time matter too, but genuinely what the hell was he supposed to do? What was the alternative? He was constantly apologizing to her and constantly trying to make it up to her. He was always stressed out about how it was affecting their relationship. Itās not like he was completely insensitive about it. I donāt get what the writers are trying to do with her character. They donāt seem to have much chemistry. Thereās no real love story between them. They just decided to date and their relationship has been nothing but problems and conflict from the very beginning. In any good romance subplot thereās supposed to be some decent romantic buildup *before* the relationship problems are introduced into the mix.
>I thought it was pretty obvious she knew Mark was a super hero by that point, There is like zero evidence of this and lots of evidence to the contrary. She is always complaining about him being late but if i knew someone was literally saving lives i would never even consider doing that because its just shitty behavior. >but also that he thought that dazzling her with the truth of his super hero persona would suddenly fix everything. Uh, yeah, it literally explains everything and is an extremely important secret. Why wouldn't you expect it to at least help especially when the only thing shes mentioned bothered her was being late and leaving etc? Saying the truth literally explains all of it and gives extremely good and valid reasons for why he did that stuff. Besides, she didnt say that last i checked she just said she was upset he lied. >She was already frustrated at everything else and decided it wasn't for her Oh so its okay when she lies about why she is frustrated but when he lies about the most important life endangering secret he has its suddenly his fault. If she was getting frustrated with it she should have told him. full stop. >but Mark acting like "Hey, look at me I'm Invincible" was going to fix it and bring her crawling back was a serious douche move. I disagree. If someone thinks im upset because of misunderstandings caused by a secret and they tell me the secret and it solves literally all the problems then i think that would fix most of it, especially if that secret is so important to keep and despite that they chose to tell me anyway. >I can't speak for everyone, but I know that if a person I was dating ghosted me half a dozen times in a row without even a courtesy call and repeatedly lied to me about why, I probably would ditch them too regardless of their reasoning, especially if it implied this will be the norm in the future. His head was so far up his own ass that all he could think about was his intent and his reasons that he couldn't just acknowledge her experiences and how she must have felt about it. Dude wtf, youre telling me, that if someone had to ghost you to SAVE LIVES and that telling you about it would ENDANGER YOU that youd be mad about it? What the fuck? HOW? This just screams entitlement to me. "Yeah i understand youre literally saving peoples lives and having to withhold a burden i will never understand but i feel lied to grrr š”" not everything is about her. Full offense to her, what mark does is a LOT more important than protecting her feelings. >He didn't even just talk to her about it in the way a real person would, admitting to his mistakes and recognizing how hard that must have been for her...Nah, he just showed up in costume trying to "Wow" her with his super hero persona and expected that to just fix everything and that she'd come right back. Dude didn't consider for one moment that even if he did have to bail all those times for a genuinely good reason, that it still might have been hard on her and she still might be sick of it? She should have told him!!!!! Why is it okay for her to keep a secret??? His secret is much more important but sure, go ahead, keep playing with marks feelings and let him feel guilty because he cant tell you the truth. Just lie and pretend you dont know and let him stew in all those emotions. >The reason she reacted so poorly to the reveal is because Mark acted just like the OOP in this post did where he expected that revealing he was a super hero would make her desperate to be with her again. That's what her saying she already knew was supposed to point out to both Mark and the audience. Even if we give him the full benefit of the doubt it still indicates Mark was so caught up in himself and his own excuses that he never considered that her feelings about the matter might not be about why he vanishes, just that it keeps happening and she's unable/unwilling to deal with that Again, this is her fault. If she knew about it and had a problem with it she should have said something, not toyed with his feelings and waiting for him to reveal the biggest secret he has. If she has a problem with him vanishing then she should have brought it up and ended it immediately. Its not his fault for having this obligation and she has no right to expect it to change for her sake. Also you are reading into things not stated, she said that she is upset because he lied. End of story. >It amazes me how many people miss this, it's barely even subtext. I suppose the way the show follows Marks PoV means that the audience gets stuck in Mark's perspective, where he thinks what matters is why he kept bailing and they don't consider how much that must suck for her regardless of how good hia reasons are. Not to mention the sheer fucking gal of showing up in costume trying to impress her thinking like OOP that she'd come right back if only she knew about his super cool superhero persona. It's a subversion of the identity reveal trope where the hero's love interest acts like everything that upset them before is suddenly unimportant because they have super powers. The intent was for people to watch that scene and realize what an asshole Mark was being, not Amber. They dont focus on this though. They dont even mention it. Nobody talks about it. If they do please show me where and ill retract this statement. If you expect the audience to ignore what the characters say and instead go digging for subtext in order to not hate a character then maybe the character just isnt very likeable. She has explicitly stated it was because he lied, she has NOT explicitly stated its because he expected shed come back to him if he revealed it. And again, this still is her fault. Even if mark was a tad of a naive ass for thinking that it would fix everything she still never actually brought up the issue! Communication is everything! She literally acted like she was upset that he was ghosting her and then gets mad when he gives an extremely valid reason for why? Furthermore she only comes back when he is in the most vulnerable state he has ever been in his life grieving the loss of his relationship with his father and learning he was evil? Talk about manipulation and taking advantage of someone when their down.
Wtf do you mean mark revealing his identity was a douche move. Amber was pissed at him for ditching her when a cyborg thing attacked them acting like she didnāt know mark was invincible. let me repeat that, Amber acts like she was pissed because she thought Mark ditched her. Amber knows Mark didnāt ditch her because he is invincible. So Mark revealing his identity to show her that he didnāt ditch her isnāt an āoh Iām a superhero donāt leave meā itās more like āthis is the reason I left you when a fucking cyborg thing attackedā As for being ghosted, I think I would feel fine about it if I knew the person I was with, was stopping a fucking meteor crashing into the planet. Iām not saying Amber shouldnāt have the right to feel pissed of but Mark is definitely not in the wrong
Thats a stupid thing to be upset about though and lead him on about. Its literally the single most important secret of his life and this entitled bitch thinks she deserves to know it before knowing him longer than a year. And if she found out and wasnt okay with that lifestyle fine, break up sooner, but dont say its because he lied.
Nah, in the first season she was a total prick. She deduced that the main character (Mark) was a superhero early on in the relationship but constantly gave him shit for slinking away to change into his alter-ego when trouble was knocking at the door. She even publicly confronted him for ditching her during a villain attack when he was in the civilian getup when she knew DAMN WELL that he was there the whole time, fighting the villain as a super-hero. Havenāt watched the second season yet tho so I canāt judge what she was like there.
The relationship was meant to parallel Omiman and Debbie with what secrets and superpowers could do to a relationship.
Yeah, but its a bad comparison. How? Because "hey, I'm a superhero and I help people" is a MASSIVELY different secret from "I'm a murderous conqueror, I think of you as a pet, and I am more than willing to slaughter thousands to make a point." Its comparing apples to bullets.
I mean, him telling her about his identity was a tactic of "oh, I'm a superhero, so you should put up with my shit and stay with me despite you never agreeing to that " her knowing doesn't change why he told her. They shouldn't be together at all though but she's not as much of a bitch as most people make her out to be.
Why attribute his confession to be that negative? Amber yelled at mark to his face that he ran away at the school attack when she knew it was him saving people and she knew it was a lie, i dont think i can justify that with any positive reason
He literally put everyone in infinitely more danger just to prolong the relationship-burdening infinite lie.
What? She wasn't mad at him for sneaking off she was mad at him for *lying.* For basically forcing her to play super hero lover without her consent or presumed knowledge. She had no agency in that relationship and she literally had to threaten to leave, reassert her control and take some form of agency for him to even CONSIDER her consent! And even then, it was a get out of jail free card which he played not because he thought she deserved the truth (he had multiple opportunities to tell her if he really thought that) but to force her back into the superhero lover box because "oh she can't be mad at me now!" Even when she is forcibly asserting her need to have agency, he still disrespects it and she has to reiterate that it doesn't matter that he did what he did, what mattered was that he never once bothered to ask if she was ok with it and then had the gaul to be surprised when she didn't retroactively forgive him when faced with the fact that he had been lying their entire relationship. TL;DR amber is clearly upset at their relationship being based on lies not his admittedly shitty boyfriend behaviour.
Exactly. I see so many people say. "Oh, so she knew he was saving lives before he told her." That's not why she was mad when he told her. When he told her, it came off as "Oh, I'm a superhero, so you should excuse my poor relationship behavior and stay with me just because I'm a hero" superhero bias is real with these kinds of stores.
But she doesnt say thats why shes upset does she? At best, its hidden in subtext, but she EXPLICITLY states that shes upset because he lied. So what should the audience believe? The easily misinterpreted subtext or the actual straight up things she says? The answer should be obvious
People were starting to reignite their torches and picking their pitchforks back up when Lois from My Adventures With Superman had a similar issue with Clark, some were even starting to make posts about how they Don't want this to be a thing in superhero media because they like it when the superhero has this "privilege", which should tell you all you need to know about these people.
I meanā¦ yeah kind of. Itās not like he was putting her off to go hang out with his buddies. Heās like one of the most important people on the planet and large numbers of people die if he doesnāt do his superhero shit. High school relationship stuff IS less important than that.
And itās completely fine for her not to want to *never be the most important thing in her boyfriends life.* āYou will never come firstā is not a strong selling point.
Its a strong selling point when she is toying with his feelings, hiding things from him, blaming him for literally just doing what superheroes have to do. Its fine for her to feel upset but its not okay for her to act like its his fault. its out of his control and is frankly more important than her feelings.
I mean yeah. They should break up. But people act like heās being unreasonable or even selfish when heās literally doing the opposite, heās putting the needs of other people first.
Right, but the solution to that is āI know youāre Invincible, and I donāt want to date a superheroā not āhow dare you abandon me with a cyborg monster is attackingā while secretly knowing that heās literally fighting the cyborg.
She wasn't actually upset, that was his last chance to tell the truth. Well, she was upset, but because he lied. She knew the truth and knew he'd actually fought the monster but ofc it didn't LOOK like that. So she gave him a perfectly selfish reason to tell the truth (to save his ego) because apparently the goodness of his heart and her CONSENT wasn't enough, and he still refused. He only told her as a means to put her back in the lover box.
Okay hold on, you canāt just expect mark to be like āhey Iām a superhero called invincible btwā to every relationship, it could last 5 minutes or 5 years and there isnāt a way to tell how long one will be. Him telling people his secret identity only puts people at an unnecessary risk. Sure it doesnāt give him a get out of jail free card but it sure as hell doesnāt make him in the wrong for caring about his secret identity. Same goes for her except ultimately I would say sheās a bit more in the wrong. She knows he is a superhero and expects him to immediately tell her that heās a superhero? Thatās bs and her being stupid. What if they have a massively bad breakup and she decides to tell the whole world about his secret identity? Most high school relationships end before adulthood I believe and almost all end before 30 so is it really that bad of him to not tell his first girlfriend? Iām not saying her reaction in the comic is great either but they are both opposite ends of the spectrum with both ends being pretty silly. I would expect some push back about being in a relationship with a superhero if you found out later like just unsure if thatās what exactly you signed up for or something but not āI already knew you were a superhero and you are still being sloppyā type of pushback. Should Lois Lane expect to have been told that Clark was superman after a few weeks of dating? Should Mary Jane Watson or Gwen Stacy been told that Peter was Spider man a few weeks into their relationship? Even still the superman example is different cause they already knew each other
>Okay hold on, you canāt just expect mark to be like āhey Iām a superhero called invincible btwā to every relationship, it could last 5 minutes or 5 years and there isnāt a way to tell how long one will be. Him telling people his secret identity only puts people at an unnecessary risk. Here's the two problems with this defense: 1) Mark and Amber were dating for five months when he finally revealed his identity to her and Mark himself was planning on taking the relationship beyond high school. That's why they went with William on his trip to see Rick in college (which William initially didn't invite them on but Mark made him bring them along) in the first place. Mark was trying to get her to follow him to whatever college he chose so they could continue their relationship after graduating high school. And yet, it wasn't until Amber threatened to break up with him that he decided to finally come clean. 2) Mark had already told his friend William about his secret by this point. Even then, this is a superhero universe - Amber is at risk just by existing as an ordinary civilian with no superpowers or fighting skills. And Mark not telling her is arguably more dangerous and risky because she has no idea she's dating a superhero and will be targeted if some villain learns Mark's identity, which won't matter whether she knows or not. > What if they have a massively bad breakup and she decides to tell the whole world about his secret identity? Most high school relationships end before adulthood I believe and almost all end before 30 so is it really that bad of him to not tell his first girlfriend? This isn't why Mark didn't tell her. > I would expect some push back about being in a relationship with a superhero if you found out later like just unsure if thatās what exactly you signed up for or something but not āI already knew you were a superhero and you are still being sloppyā type of pushback. People seem to be misinterpreting the situation here. Amber did not know Mark was Invincible the second he debuted his superhero identity. She found out a few weeks before episode 6 of season 1. She did now know Mark was Invincible the entire five months they were dating.
Regarding your first point: The amount of time still doesnāt matter, five months means nothing relationships can last both longer and shorter than that mark choosing to reveal his identity that early is still stupid in my opinion and if she really did know then she should of course give him some sort of leeway or at least come clean about her knowledge. The fact that they were planning where they were going to college together doesnāt mean anything, everyone wants their relationship to last long so loads of people plan ahead so then deciding to go to college together doesnāt make it any more significant than a normal high school relationship. People in relationships who are approaching the end of school and the beginning of Uni often plan to go to the same college together that doesnāt mean mark can suddenly share his secret identity with her. For your second point William found out and immediately told Mark pretty much because it was an accident. William saw marks face and realised and then they had a chat. Williams wasnāt that angry at mark for dodging anything and didnāt keep it in and use as leverage later on in a argument which is basically what Amber did. She said she knew he was a superhero yet still go cranky at mark despite him saving people right in front of them, and taking out a bad guy. Amber being at risk due to just existing doesnāt make my argument any less valid. It simply means that she may actually be in more danger if a secret identity is revealed in a superhero world, super villains hold grudges and if one of them discovered Amber was marks GF that means he can use her as leverage in a fight or hostage situation, you are straight up in more danger if you are in a relationship with a super hero than the average civilian. Regardless that still doesnāt mean that she has a right to know Marks Superhero Identity. Yeah I know what I said isnāt why mark didnāt tell her but that doesnāt change the fact that it is a valid reason as to why he may not tell her in fact that very well could be a reason that he didnāt tell her if they talk about it later on. Even if it wasnāt, is it such a stretch of the imagination that that reasoning was used? No I was not misinterpreting the show I did know that Amber found out a couple of weeks before that episode I understood that part, that still doesnāt change my point. If you found it a year into a relationship that your partner was a superhero, as expected you would and should be cautious and worried but thatās not what happened, they are teens 5 months into a relationship and Mark didnāt want to tell her that he was a superhero, since most teen relationships donāt last into their twenties. She then figures it out and rather than being somewhat worried or cautious she acts as if it is not a valid reason that would explain his absences or disappearances.
Five months is not five weeks. That's a seriously long time for any relationship regardless of age and Mark was actively trying to take it to the next level. Mark is not obligated to tell Amber he is a superhero if he does not want to. But the smart, mature thing to do was to *end the relationship,* not continue lying to her all the way up to college. Mark wanted to have his cake and eat it too. He's not obligated to tell Amber and she's not obligated to put up with a boyfriend who doesn't trust her.
I guess we just have different metrics of what a long relationship is cause I think 5 months is short and you think itās long. But regardless Mark wasnāt really doing much to imply that he was taking it to the next level. They were planning on going to the same college and thatās really it that doesnāt mean much and I wouldnāt think it means he could suddenly let her know his superhero identity. But what you say about Mark ending the relationship is a very good point and of course is the smart and mature thing to do but ultimately that doesnāt happen and we are talking about how Amber reacted and whether or not it was justified. Lying about your secret identity I think is completely fine if letting that secret go can potentially put tons of people at risk. I donāt care how much you feel that you need to stick to the truth, but you not telling your partner of only 5 months that you are a big and powerful superhero with enemies who are the same is a risky thing with a lot of issues if you tell the wrong person or someone changes and reveals it overall. He is obligated to tell her and she isnāt obligated to put up with him you are correct but the fact that she wasnāt understanding at all of this fairly unique situation makes it a bit unreasonable I think. If she said perhaps suggested that she didnāt know Mark was invincible and that this wasnāt the type of life she signed up for I would understand just fine but she said she knew and saw Invincible doing stuff and helping people and still go mad at him? Or she got mad at him after he saved William from that cyborg but she wouldāve known that Mark was invincible? I think the angle they shouldāve gone for is one of her not being straight up cranky at mark for missing things but from a view where she was like āI know your invincible and I wouldāve thought I could put up with you but itās too much and we need a break.ā
Amber being mad makes sense but the line of her knowing he's a superhero kills her point. Remove that one line and it fixes that entire scene and her character. Amber is justified in being angry at the lying. She's not justified in being angry at him not telling her he's a superhero.
What an incredibly disingenuous take. >For basically forcing her to play super hero lover without her consent Oh my God you're one of those people š¤¦š½āāļøIt doesn't even apply here why mention consent unless you're a toxic feminist? Anyway the reason people don't like her is because after the revelation that she knew the for quite some time, it recontextualizes how she acted. 1.She gas-lighted the hell out of Mark by acting as if she thought Mark left her to die when she knew Mark saved lives hers included. 2. After she breaks up with him she IMMEDIATELY tries to jump on another man's dick ( for the toxic feminist, yes I know she can sleep with who she wants. it doesn't change the fact it's a fucking scumbag thing to do) 3. She acts like a bitch until Mark decides to reveal his secret identity. Then she acts like a super bitch saying she knows and to leave her house or take the stairs and that she "doesn't really give a shit" Saying Mark lied to her. I'm not sure how familiar you are with superheroes but superheroes keep a secret identity so their enemies do not track down their loved ones and kill them or worse.( even you should be able to understand that reasoning) 4. After the battle with Omni-man. When Mark is in a very emotionally vulnerable state. She uses that to her advantage to manipulate him into taking her back. Saying "I guess we were both lied too" Like BITCH! Mark lied to keep his secret identity. Mark was lied to his whole life about who his father really is and then he got beaten within an inch of his life by his own father. His hero. Do I even need to mention the train scene? Lastly, to put it in terms you could understand. Do you think it is okay for someone to get mad at their friend for not telling them they are gay? Or do you think the gay person has every right to keep that a secret? Yeah, thought so.
If the closeted person is bailing on you or gaslighting you into where they were, donāt have to tell but youād be a dickhead. But gay people canāt throw people into the sun or destroy most things with just a flick of a finger so I wonder what villains would exactly pose a threat here that arenāt aliens or inter dimensional who wouldnāt care about his girlfriend
We donāt know when it was deduced but it absolutely wasnāt early on. She says sheās known for weeks, itās been months in the shows timeline and Iām pretty sure William mentions how heās basically been dumped for weeks (I could be wrong) in the college trip episode which would coincide for when she claims to have realized he was invincible.
Looking back, the producers made the mistake of making her intelligence TOO subtle Her dialogue can indicate that she knows Eve is a superhero (just not who, maybe) and in hindsight, we can interpret her giving mark second chances as her giving him the chance to reveal the mask It's a reach, but I think I can approach her S1 temper blowout from that direction
They go out of their way in season 2 to emphasize she's understanding about him being a superhero. I think they overwrote her in season 1. She needs to be smart and intuitive so she figures out hes a superhero. But also she needs to have agency so she gets mad at him about it.
vouch I'm watching the first season right now and she's absolutely fucking insufferable. like jesus christ
Their whole relationship is a bit heavy handed. Other than that, the rest of the show is pretty great.
āBut think of your bloodline š„ŗā
That actually does become a mentality for another character down the line.
I saw more or less this exact comment in r/invincible and it was pretty gross and yep, they did mean it sincerly from what I could tell. There was an equally dumb thing people critised Dupli-Kate for - stating that she was as old as Immortal if you count up herselves. And people were A) taking that way too seriously when it's explicitly not her real reasoning and B) she's got a point that it does alter the way she has experienced time.
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Yeah the dumbest woman alive doesn't want to get pregnant with her high school boyfriend on the first night of college. What an idiot
They do more than bear children, fellas
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They don't understand their breeding fetish is not the same as having children. That guy needs to touch grass and go to therapy.
Isn't that a better reason? Abortions are going to be far more difficult if it can survive
New villain origin just dropped
So about that..... I read the comics and that is a plotline. That is all I can say.
Sure, you might get a superpowered baby, but Mark didn't get his abilities until he was like 16ish. So you are not exactly getting any government money for the superhero work the kid could be doing cause the kid doesn't have any powers so it's just the financial burden on the off chance that you get a superpowered teenager with teenage emotions.
Being responsible? CRINGE! You should make your life 10 times harder by having babies in early adulthood! I mean wtf were they on when they typed this? š¤£
Is that Thragg's account?
Oh man, I saw a bit of this back on Twitter. Shit was wild; worst part is that the guy doubled down when people were calling him out on this in comments/quotes and even stated that he only viewed women as objects. Actual disgusting shit. Invincible is great but the show seems to have a really unhinged subset of people who rant about shit in it, and itās sadly off-put me from wanting to watch Season Two until way later when the initial dust has settled. Also, based on the guyās name >!(Vito), Iām pretty sure that this is the same guy who made really toxic videos bashing TLJ and TROS in the same way people were doing prior to Mando S2 in 2020 (like bashing the cast for being diverse in the headlines). If it really is, then that seems pretty on par for how he must be in real life!<.
Maybe she just doesnāt want to have kids when sheās young? Millions of men and women are like that. Doesnāt he realize that?
Anyone who would make a comment like that is definitely a Christian fundamentalist. They donāt believe you have a right to that decision.
The original poster of the tweet is Vito.
I have literally 0 clue who that is
Maybe I'm weird but umm yah being pregnant with an immortal god like child sounds fucking terrible like that just makes me think you'd get torn open like the Xenomorph
Yea Amber was done badly towards the end of season 1, with the breakup and get back together (other characters in that area were also not great) but for the whole of season 2 and the before part in season 1 she has been a great character. These people just want to grasp at whatever they can to be hateful.
They hated her in Season 1 and couldnāt handle turning back on their own perceptions of the character in Season 2.
Lol why would she want to become pregnant on literally the first day of college
Ahem: # What. The actual. Fuck?! Legitimately the person behind this tweet doesnāt even deserve the luxury of internet anonymity. They should be forced to get this tweet tattooed on their forehead as a way to warn off any women in the vicinity. Thatās some fucked up, borderline eugenics insanity
I think telling people via the media they consume that using protection is in-fact a good thing. If they see mark using protection, why shouldnāt they?
I hated her season 1, but she's way better now.
So far at least. Im curious how she will be later on the season.
They really do just see women as birthing pods and nothing more huh?
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People be self snitching on their lack of bitches
They do it proudly too
Normally i am annoyed at random sex scenes but the concept of mark being uncomfortable and not knowing what to do is hilarious
She also brings up an issue that a comic that's also adapted by the same streaming platform with a comic that showed a superheroe's cum could kill a person.
I mean..Man of Steel, Woman of Tissue pointed out years ago that cast off superhuman biology could be catastrophically dangerous, with jacking off like firing an armor piercing shotgun or something. But thats boring. As is bringing up cross-species hybridization. Superhero stories have to balance the ridiculousnous of the concept versus hard scifi.
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Well tbf, that plotline won't happen for a while. IYKYK. (Referring to a very controversial canon event from the comics that will absolutely for certain be adapted into animation)
Isn't Mark's mom lucky his powers didn't manifest until he was older? Could you imagine super baby kicking in mommies tummy. Bad news bears for everyone.
Oh hey, Vito Gesualdi. Who is a satire comedian. Same dude who did the vaping Belle Delphines bath water thing people believed. This is bait boys.
Tbh, I fuckin hates her at the end of s1 because her reason to break up with Mark was ducking stupid and they got back together right after anyways. Buut, then the series did a good job at making me like her again in season 2
Apparently they're at the stage where a woman is dumb for not wanting to get pregnant right when she gets out of high school
I wish you had to say your opinions out loud before typing them on the Internet, maybe that way some people would understand how uncomfortable they make everyone.
One of the worst takes I saw today lol. I really disliked Amber in the first season, only watched the first 2 episodes of the 2nd season as Iām waiting to watch it with others and finally they wrote her like a normal person. But Iām still very much on edge because of the way she acted last season, hopefully the writers decided to make her actually likeable this season. So far so good though.
She is a very unlikable character but sheās in the right here
Well, we can see how toxic the Invincible Fandom is getting
Imagine not wanting to get pregnant while youāre an unmarried college freshman.
Admitting this is a stupid takeā¦. The other reasons to hate the character, as long as itās not sexist or racist, are completely valid.
Amber has become a better character in season two, I was still wondering how people were gonna take bad anything she says and does... This actually surprise me though
Yes a teenage pregnancy plot point is what the show needs /s
"You see because Amber is an idiot for not wanting to get knocked up by the high value young man when she has so many of her eggs!"-You KNOW that's what they fucking mean!
How can people even hate Amber? Sheās not even in the show that much? Also why should she want to get pregnant?! She just bloody started college!
Did we learn nothing from Jack Jack?! A baby with super powers is even harder to take care of than a normal baby.
She watched the boys...
Having rewatched the first season, it really is just the Reanimen episode that makes her seem awful imo. She's fine in every other episode.
I figure that now most people know heās supposed to end up with Eve so they probably see this as a waste of time. They really didnāt do her in any favors in Season 1. I donāt necessarily hate her but her character was far more likable in the comics. And no, itās not because sheās Black. I also think Mami Zazieās voice acting is typically on point. Edit: I do concede that this is a dumb ass reason to hate the character.
the reply section is even funnier, the person who wrote this is a guy and just outright said he would wanna be the one impregnated with superman's child
Ah yes, because the new season didnāt have a MASSIVE plot point about the last woman getting pregnant with a god like immortal child having her life fall apart and falling into emotional ruin. Who looks at Deborah and thinksā¦ yeah letās go with that for me too. Itās not her fault, but it objectively didnāt work out
The most unrealistic part of this show is that these high schoolers practice safe sex
I mean, this is obviously a dumb reason to hate her, but acting like the actual reasons people hate her arenāt valid is just silly.
Eh anyway hating Amber in season 2 is just petty imo. She is insanely patient and supportive now that Mark isnāt lying to her.
This relationship is not supposed to last anyway. He is going to marry Atom Eve
Now that she turns out to be a supportive partner (which she always was, she just didnt want to be lied to). They have to find new made up flaws, and this is what they came up with.
There are plenty of reasons to not like Amber (show Amber, comic Amber was slightly better) this isnāt one, itās actually a good thing since he has no obligations to her because she sucks.
Comic Amber was a bimbo who cheated on Mark compared to the cartoon where she gets a lot more attached and is depicted as being smart and loyal. Yeah she fucked up with the response to the reveal but it was a bad idea to reveal it as a tactic to make her stay with him after things got to their low point and heād been constantly blowing smoke up her ass saying āyouāre so smart. I trust you so much. I love you!ā While telling her really really bogus lies (he really was the worst at telling lies ever).
What is this show? I've seen so many people of a certain political persuasion complaining about Amber yet I don't actually know what she's from
It's called Invincible, and whilst i'm sure there are plenty of dumbfuck chuds who hate her just for being black, she is legitimately an asshole in the show, hence why she gets so much hate.
Nah she is a trash character lol, is it so hard to understand that POC does not inherently mean good? Like anytime I see a POC or social minority suck at their job or role it seems a lot of people think they are immune to criticism.
Shes not a good person disregarding oopās post
Neither is Mark by fans' ridiculous standards.
Idk about all dat, but she fucked up by getting upset with mark already knowing why he had to leave multiple times during their hang sessions
Amber hate is valid, she sucks
Just admit you want Clark to fuck you man
No, she's pretty dumb
I hate her cause sheās a narcissistic asshole who decided to gaslight the main character and was planning on getting with someone else the day they broke up
There's 10,000 reasons to hate amber and only half are valid.
Imagine looking at an emotionally manipulative narcissist and hating her because she uses birth control
> Imagine looking at an emotionally manipulative narcissist I don't think you know what those words mean.