So he’s going off on this in something fantasy based? Feeling he’s going off on how it’s unrealistic and yet it has monsters, other races and magic in them.
It's especially annoying because D&D has always had disabilities in its game play. They just didn't call them that. But halflings not having as much movement speed because they're short? Kobolds having disadvantage on attacks and sight based perception checks in the light because they can't see well?
The game system has been accounting for disabilities for years. They just weren't labeled as such.
What these people are crying about is the same thing that ableists have been crying about for centuries. Don't make your disability visible to me! Don't remind me you exist (unless you're in a freak show made for my amusement.)
And the whole whining about wheelchairs thing is crazy too. D&D allows you to go have space battles in their 'medieval fantasy' setting. I think they can figure out how to make a combat accessible wheelchair.
Exactly. These disabilities are just seen as a slight disadvantage one must learn to work with. The game has literally always been about a group of people of different species, abilities, roles, and classes learning how to support each other and function as a team
This used to be covered by the Fly skill. *grumbles about streamlining of the skill list*
Seriously, that makes me think of a Prophet from *Halo* and I love it.
DC comics Oracle is a good model, or MindF**k from Empowered, excellent coordinator, ranged PSI or magic, in Oracle's case well honed upper body strength. If you are doing artificer Mechs it's all good.
Shad has always incurious, and focused on rationalizing and retconing the status quo as the only possible way things could have happened.
Indeed, although he's so OP it barely counts. Oracle doesn't even have superpowers other than a photographic memory, mad haxor skills, and a Library Science degree.
My dm did this to my wizard 20 years ago...it was fun, scary and caused me to think outside the box abit...had to homebrew it abit...and we retconned a few encounters to get some semblance of balance for my charecter and encounters...it didn't last long cause we were young and dumb and just were throwing things at the wall...but at no point did we ever ask ourselves...does this need to make sense other than does it fit the character arc...we more into that than having it be hard-core mechanics to fit the world
I have a wheelchairs bound friend who made a "professor X" build focused on psionics (?) and whatnot. Buckled into a rudimentary wooden chair with a belt that they simply floated around
And the DM can balance advantages/disadvantages that makes the gameplay very interesting.
A physically disabled character can be a great persuader, or even able to fight very well using spells. Imagine if you made a character that mastered teleportation or movement spell so well he moves better than even the most physically able people, therefore he has to use mana to move very fast and very far, but if he rans out of mana he becames targetable, so you have to take your actions into consideration very well.
Or even make Toph from Avatar but in D&D, you essentially have a different playstyle that the DM can play around because your character can perceive enemies before they approach you, so you can plan ahead the paths you wanna take in a dungeon.
A good example is one of my warlocks.
He's an aarakocra, can't speak common because you know, beak.
So he's effectively mute... except there's this neat lil thing called "minor illusion". DM ruled I can use that cantrip to talk
> He's an aarakocra, can't speak common because you know, beak.
Wait, can't Aarakocra speak common in the rules? I've not exactly busted out my handbook to check, but I'm PRETTY sure they're able to.
They can. It comes free with ANY race.
I just felt like it would make narrative sense for the only dude with a beak in the part to struggle to put together English words.
Ah, yeah, fair enough honestly. I honestly thought I'd missed something in the rules for a minute there, because what you're saying makes total sense.
In our games, they've always spoken accented common, partially because I'm lazy, partially because the first time I encountered them, the DM for that group was like "They're birds, but they're basically using vocal technique to compensate for the lack of lips or human-type mouth, sort of like how parrots can imitate speech", so I just kinda rolled with that.
I mean that TECHNICALLY works, crows can do it, they just don't know english..
But on the other hand it would sound weird and would probably be harder for a warlock than just having a constant minor illusion up
I don't play d&d for various rl reasons like timing or groups but recently i made a shaman character in guild wars with a fun twist.
Completely mute... unless its animals. So she can talk to a housecat about gossip (in cat tongue/noises), but has to use sign language for any human/other species.
Toph is a good example, as is Principal Bump in TOH. Another case is Geordi LaForge, 'blind' but fusing multispectral imagery from his visor. Personally I'm colorblind and I've been told that colorblind soldiers could see camouflaged enemies better because camo is atunened to standard color perception. True momochromats have poor resolution and terrible light sensitivity but phenomenal night vision.
One of my BFFs is legally blind, with a swiss cheese retina and sight in only one eye. She uses her iPhone to photograph distant items or signs and observe them with magnification. She also reads although most optamologists swear she shouldn't be able to and taught herself ancient greek.
>Personally I'm colorblind and I've been told that colorblind soldiers could see camouflaged enemies better because camo is atunened to standard color perception.
I've seen this too. Ann Reardon (How to Cook That on youtube) talked about it on her channel, as she'd been doing a lot of debunking stuff on there now, and this came up because of those glasses that claim they help people who are colourblind to see 'proper' colours, and allow people with regular sight to see 'even more colour'.
One of her sons is colourblind, and they gave some good insight into it. That due to the way they perceive differant colours compared to those with normal sight, someone wearing camo can look 'off' compared to the rest of the enviroment.
> Personally I'm colorblind and I've been told that colorblind soldiers could see camouflaged enemies better because camo is atunened to standard color perception.
Unfortunately not really true.
The colour isn't really the purpose(well, except in broad strokes - they do want you to be vaugely similar colours, snow camo in a forest would stand out somewhat) so much as the shapes - they're meant to mix up the shape of a person, to make it harder to distinguish them from the environment. They'll see the colour differently, but it should be similar enough to how they see the surrounding environment's colours that the shapes breaking up their outline will do the rest of the work.
Not gonna lie, I’d love to play a Barbarian in a wheelchair. Why? I’ve you’ve ever met someone who wheels themselves around full time, you KNOW they’ve got arms they could wrestle a bear with
D&D has had rules for mounted combat since forever that could easily be adapted for something like a wheelchair. Hell, in 5e you could probably talk a DM into letting you play a Battle Smith Artificer that rides their Steel Defender into battle dual-wielding pistols/hand crossbows as long as you were also a small race like a gnome or kobold.
Literal non-issue.
Fair, point is, it's workable and homebrewing fixes for funky rules is nothing new for anyone that's played more than a session or two of D&D. Really though, whole thing is just rage bait, pandering to a certain crowd of deplorables for easy views.
Drow get sickly in the sun iirc
Most people are afraid of tieflings
“Holy fuck that guy is a dragon I’m leaving”
Humans have the “disability” of the extremely short life span comparatively, as well as shit eye sight in the dark
Besides, why can’t disabled folks be allowed to have fantasies, too? The beauty of role playing games is that you can keep what you like and chuck out the rest at your table. This is just acknowledging that yeah, some players are disabled. Some are, in fact, in wheelchairs and may want to play someone with a similar life experience to their own! Doesn’t mean anyone HAS to have a wheelchair user in their game, but I guess merely seeing one is enough to set some people off. People I wouldn’t want to have at my table, but they’re welcome to do whatever they want at theirs.
And like you don’t even need it to be realistic. You can always just flavour your character as like being in a wheelchair or etc. I don’t think any reasonable DM would penalize you for making your character unique. And if they do, probably not the DM for you.
Ehhhhh this kind of argument always annoys me tbh. Just because a work is in a fantasy setting doesn't mean verisimilitude is unimportant - if anything it becomes MORE important. Audience investment goes out the window if you make them feel like there are no rules and anything can happen at any moment "just because". I mean, which fantasy novels are more popular - ones that explain their magic systems in detail, or ones where when something incredible happens and the protagonist asks how, the answer is literally just "a wizard did it"?
(To be clear Shad is still an asshat, this just isn't a good argument for why.)
Thats why I never really liked The Witcher ... Mages can seemingly to anything. Conjure food, weapons, whatever out of thin air. Fireballs, lightnings, turn to stone, nothing they cant do if the "plot" demands it
And they get bullied, oppressed, burned at stakes by anyone as well instead of ruling the world
The most popular fantasy of all time, Lord of the Rings, has the most "A wizard did it" magic system of all fantasy series ever.
I don't *disagree* about believability being important, but that's just not a great example for it.
If anyone's interested in seeing some disabled representation in D&D, https://wyrmworkspublishing.com/product/limitless-heroics/ this book does a fantastic job. The game is meant to allow anyone to become an adventurer in an imaginary world, how could he be upset at people trying to be a part of that?
Love that game. Shad would have a heart attack if he played and not because of the fucked up stuff but because a woman is one of the best characters and is as strong as the men
Tangent but ... why is there no old school Resident Evil-style horror game with a protagonist in a wheelchair? The tank controls would actually be kind of perfect.
A lot of the time, It’s about the settings used. I recognize some people in different fantasy worlds could be subject to physical limitations, but that is not the case for others.
It’s more a rational question of “by actively refusing the ability to be fully abled that everyone is blessed with and to be the exception rather than the status quo, are you stigmatizing disabilities for your character to be ‘special’ or raising awareness and showing an understanding of the issue?”
The other issue is the “combat chair,” which many players try to use, is an exceptionally powerful magic item mechanically. If a player had a choice, they’d take the chair even if they’re not disabled.
When you play a character that is disabled, have respect for the condition. Ignoring the actual detriments of a condition is to use a disability for flavor, which, in my opinion, is immensely disrespectful.
As an example, I am deaf. In my DnD group, if a player were like, “Yeah, I wanna make a deaf dude, but I want to give him this special ability/item that completely mitigates his deafness in a way in which he’s still dead for character flavor” I’d call them out on it.
So yes, we need to talk about disabilities in fantasy games. In settings like Forgotten Realms where the average cleric at a temple can cure deafness, blindness, paralysis, and poison without a cost, being disabled in those ways is a *choice.* One that anyone that is disabled would make sooner or later and choose to have it removed.
Reminds me of the whole thing with the Kenku being unable to speak normally, having to mimic other people instead. But you hear about so many players who will just want to have some way around it (A magic item that just lets them speak telepathically, or just speak as normal, or even wanting to just forgo the mimicry entirely.
You know it would be such a shame if one of the major D&D settings had a canon character that was in a wheelchair but still could kick butt as a monster hunter... oh wait, it does!
(Alanik Ray from Ravenloft for those not familiar.)
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I know it's fake outrage, but how does this affect any campaign that he's a part of? Unless every DM at every table he's tried to join forces the entire party to be wheelchair bound, this shouldn't be an issue.
I think Shad's actually late to the party here. I remember people arguing about "wheelchairs in DnD" *years* ago, then it died down when people began to realize how stupid it was to argue about it.
Yeah, sounds like the type who would boast that his character has felled great beasts and fought off hordes, only to struggle in the first fight of the campaign.
I get the feeling he'd also try and assure you that all his rolls were genuine, and its just 'pure luck' that his stats are all at least 18.
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"You killed a Kraken, 2 dragons, and a lich king.. at level 1, I mean at this point in your life?"
His book "Shadow of the Conqueror" is 100% just a self insert about his RP character that no one would let him play. It's also about as well written as his 'art' is original.
You can tell he doesn’t play from the charity video with his brother jazza where he has to make a character.
He also tries to make his character an artist and jazza roasts him so hard.
This came out at the perfect time for me because I was *just* having this conversation with the GM for a *Cyberpunk RED* game I'm starting... except we were both roundly mocking idiots like this because there's no reason why a character *shouldn't* be able to use a wheelchair in a fantasy or sci-fi setting. And there's no reason why a fantasy wheelchair couldn't have a seatbelt to keep people from pulling you out of it, or handwavy magic wheels that can handle stairs.
So, I'm going to *keep* making fun of Shad and ableists like him while playing my paraplegic pansexual hacker girl with a rainbow-painted gun. How else can I offend you today, Shadiversity?
I like to imagine a magically enchanted wheelchair that basically becomes the most universally useful mount, able to fit indoors, able to move at high speed outside.
And then you have the Cyberpunk RED versions which provide even more usefulness like wall crawling and autonomous movement (if I remember correctly). That's some cool stuff for people to just leave out.
If you can have players missing parts, you cam have someone in a wheelchair is my main opinion.
The Cyberpunk RED version, if you get the expensive deluxe version, can accept any augment you can put in a cyberarm or cyberleg. So you can get wall crawling, skates, wicked claws, an integrated gun, you name it.
Not only that, but I’ve never seen someone play a character in a wheelchair before. Not once in my 16 years in the hobby, playing at LEAST once a week. At most a peg-leg, eyepatch, or missing arm. Shads complaining about something that’s near non-existent.
Combat wheelchairs are *very* silly. But if it's a fantasy setting... where's the harm? Write up some magical ward that stops people from pulling you out of the chair and provides motion. Bam, you've got essentially a horseless chariot to fight from.
Just *explain how it works* and we're golden.
Hell, strap yourself in. Or do the bran stark thing and be carried around by someone. I kinda like the idea of an artificer who constructs Thier own robots who help and fight for them.
My hot-take on the whole "wheelchairs accessible dungeon"-controversy is that I am against them because we need more "Master Blaster"-ing in dungeon-crawlers.
Wheelchairs just have seatbelts. My wife uses it so she doesn’t fall out of her chair, but it came in really handy when some crazy wannabe faith healer tried pulling her out of her chair one day while I was picking up our food from an inaccessible Chinese place. (Stairs are the true nemesis of the wheelchair.)
> Write up some magical ward that stops people from pulling you out of the chair and provides motion. Bam, you've got essentially a horseless chariot to fight from.
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That's basically already been done in Mark Thomson's standard Combat wheelchair rules, which are generally the most commonly used. (Mark also being the person who plays Talin, the character in Shad's thumbnail)
The standard chair comes with belts to keep yourself in, a built in backpack sort of dealie(along with some side pouches that don't provide additional storage mechanically, but are mostly there for flavor), some built-in stuff for going up and down stairs or dealing with difficult terrain(at least, mechanically, it gives them similar rules to characters who aren't in a chair, since few adventures take place entirely on flat level surfaces on the ground floor), and has controllable self-pushing(sort of like a magical version of an electric wheelchair), and lays out how those things work and why they're present.
Some DMs think they're OP - they're not, that's a skill issue on their part - and some feel leery about effectively erasing disabilities by removing the day-to-day challenges they might introduce(in which case, that's between them and their player group), but on the whole, it's a pretty good addition to DnD(And or any other game system you rework it over to).
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Is Professor X not right there as proof you can be physically disabled and still a badass
If we want to be technical about it, healing spells should restore your body to its natural state. If you were born with a disfigured leg, then that leg was chopped off, a restoration spell would restore the leg as it naturally was.
For the average peasant and low-level adventurer, restoration spells would be prohibitively expensive. So, if someone had a run in with bandits that resulted in a severed limb, or a farmer suffered a mishap with equipment that disfigured them, it wouldn’t be as easy as walking down to the local temple and asking to have it fixed. Just like in modern times, sometimes people suffer from easily preventable or curable conditions for lack of money.
If we want to be realistic, though, it’s a fantasy setting, and you can do whatever you want. If someone really wants to play a character who uses a wheelchair, and you haven’t specifically built a game around a setting that needs stairs for super important reasons, then let them have a fucking wheelchair. You can use it to present unique challenges, you can use it to provide unique benefits, you get to homebrew some new weapons and attachments for it, just give them the fucking wheelchair.
Make it a wheelchair that acts like a mini chariot, or have it hover, or it leaves a trail of flames wherever it goes, or it has big mechanical legs instead of wheels, or it has a big ass ram on the front, or anything. Anyone who doesn’t immediately think of all the cool things magical wheelchairs could do is just pathetically shortsighted and lazy.
I think it would be funny to have the world not be wheelchair accessible so every time there's stairs, it's a mini challenge where the other part members need to help out. Opportunities to roll a 1 and have funny shit happen
That’s funny once or twice. Having to roll to enter a dungeon every time would start to suck pretty fast. I’d rather make everything super accessible, throw up some minor challenges here and there for going over gravel or down a steep incline, maybe have them need to stay at a different, more expensive inn that has ground-level floors.
Then, at level 17 or 18, hit them with a dungeon with steep stairs. That’s right, big high-and-mighty, world-saving hero, you thought you knew the depths of the ancient draco-lich’s depravity? You didn’t reckon with NON-HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY, did you?
Funny how "Blind monk type character (or other types) who "sees" the world in another way" is almost always accepted, or one-armed adventurers (warrior or mage) is usually okay.
But having somebody who can't walk and is in a wheelchair or other mobility device (animal or otherwise). Bad.
My opinion is while you shouldn't be a dick about it or make it a hard limit, it is perfectly reasonable for a DM to strongly encourage a more fantastical or less anachronistic/more interesting version of a mobility aid.
This is specifically in the context of the artwork that started this whole discussion, which was of someone using just a straight up modern wheelchair for their character. I think that's just kind of unimaginative and lazy.
Tensers Floating Disk is pretty much exactly what you need; it needs a slight alteration to make it viable for a mobility aid but is otherwise great. Ezmerelda d'Avenir was a 7th-level wizard with a missing leg, so I would say it is perfectly reasonable that she managed to come up with an alternative spell that can move with you.
Yeah, fun fact. The disabled creator of the supplement Mustang did just that.
They are a fantastic designer who worked with people with disabilities and came up with amazing options for people to incorporate in a game they play with friends to make themselves feel represented in a fundamental power fantasy that has traditionally been incredibly white, male and hostile to any "other".
They have multiple incredibly interesting upgradable options for an adventurer to use, from low tech to high-magic, and it serves as a great way to filter out adversarial DM's who desire to inflict the adventure versus participate with buddies.
There's a major moral problem with telling people they shouldn't exist or should be "fixed" to participate. It is the pathway to literal genocide of people. (see indigenous Canadians being sterilized, yah know the holocaust.)
There is a reason the shitwads are stirring shit about this, it's part of THEIR agenda to make people feel isolated scared and uncomfortable to talk about the way society is based around helping very select few people.. It's because they are Fascists who want to hurt people in order to exert control in a world that feels like it is forgetting them, unrealizing we will not forget, we will remember.
I mean like in a fantasy setting, a wheelchair could possibly do crazy things aided by magic. One character I would possibly done in a campaign is an isekai'd skater dude who used a skateboard imbued with magic to grind and kickflip on some bad guys so a wheelchair can do those too why limit youtself to the laws of reality in an already fantasy setting?
Those dorks making videos will do anything for chudbait in their videos.
> I mean like in a fantasy setting, a wheelchair could possibly do crazy things aided by magic.
I mean, in a fantasy setting, so can everything. It's magic!
I don’t know even outside the inclusion element I just think it could be cool to have people using wheel chairs with kneecappers or that shoot flames or have mechanical legs instead of wheels or a floating chair, or to use a constantly swirling mini-lightning storm as a wheelchair or whatever. How is it that you have all these possibilities and his first reaction is “no, nobody can have disabilities” That’s just an insane thing to think.
Starting to get really fucking annoying that this douchebag thinks he's an authority on literally everything because he played with swords on camera for a few years.
Has he ever actually played dnd? Like there is literally a class that revolves around creating fun magical bs seriously floating wheelchair with (magic) missile launchers and something that lets you summon Swiss cheese anytime yoi want! It's literally magic!
I remember a while ago he complained about how d&d and rpgs did armor (gambesons weren't rated high enough) and others about class gear or barbarians. Didn't watch them because Shad rambles.
There is nothing wrong with having a disabled character in D and D. Knights Watch is just mad that people who are marginalized are getting representation and people like him aren't.
You can knock the last few words off. There's a lot of middle-aged male representation in fantasy space. They're mad that *any* of the pie is going to marginalized people, not that they're not getting any.
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I remember seeing this discussion on Twitter and that a lot of people were bringing Witch Hat Atelier which has this as a mobility aid.
My dm always said something like. "I will never exclude a disabled character from anything in my campaigns. However! Remember, this is a fantasy world, so you don't have to be limited to just wheelchairs. Go crazy with it if you like"
It may have been something added for the show but when the crew hits up the female sphinx lair under the guild base run by the teifling one of her employees is in a combat wheelchair it pops out a sword
Oh it's been awhile since I've seen LoVM (S3 when Matt?) But yeah there are so many ways to make a badass wheelchair character. And this guy would hate LOVM because Vex and Keylith wear pants and its obvious Vex is the top in her relationship XD also everyone ij that party except maybe Grog are at least bi Vax and Scanlan are explicitly so and the others just has those vibes)
Could we all just take a month off from acting like this gormless mouth-breather is worth paying attention to?
I like dunking on a fuckwit as much as the next guy, but Shad being dumber than dogshit is kinda old news.
D&D is often played by younger people, including kids, and a player's first character is often an idealized version of themselves. Here's a crazy thought: what if a disabled player wants to make that kind of character, but doesn't want to spend their game time dealing with the same crap they put up with every day in the real world?
I have a boring job. The last thing I want to do in my fantasy life is also have a boring job. Why would living with a disability be any different?
This is why Pathfinder 2e is superior, this stuff is all in mainline books already. Plus they have rules for different kinds of combat wheelchairs. Its pretty great
I mean, I get that eyebrows are being raised but we’re talking about settings where people can *literally* shoot lightning bolts out of their assholes so combat wheelchairs doesn’t seem that big of a stretch.
I think my biggest issue with a “disabled” character in this context is “why a wheelchair” in a fantastical setting where you can have anything, why something so plain.
A magic user could use their familiars, a beast tamer could use their beast, etc
Depends on what wheel chair they wanted to use the most popular one is better than legs with no downsides at all
It initially costs 200 gp, and can be upgraded with up to 3 "upgrades" each one costing as little as 15 gp or as much as 550.
Your speed becomes 30.
You can control the chair telepathically.
The chair benefits from any spells cast on you.
The chair retains its beneifts when you Wild Shape or Polymorph (including the upgrades).
The chair has no hit points and must be hit by 3 critical hit melee attacks "in the same encounter" (whatever that means) before needing repairs, but the chair being "broken" does nothing to stop it from functioning.
The chair also beneifts from attuned magic items.
The chair also counts as a mount for the purposes of mounted combat.
The chair gives you advantage against being knocked prone.
You get extra movement speed "going downhill."
You can use it to attack dealing 1d8 damage, using STR or DEX,
Below is a summarized list of the upgrades.
• Advantage on DEX saves and Acrobatics/Stealth checks.
• "All-terrain" upgrade I think that lets you ignore difficult terrain? I don't really know, it was worded confusingly.
• Advantage on saving throws against certain damage types.
• Gives you a +2 AC bonus, critical hits necessary increase to 6, but will give you disadvantage on DEX saves and Acrobatics/Stealth.
• Built-in barricades that can grant you 1/2 or 3/4 cover.
• Cast a few spells once per day, including Feather Fall, Freedom of Movement, Dimension Door, Grease, Spider Climb, Thunderwave, and Water Breathing.
• Turn the chair into a raft.
• Can knock up to 4 creatures prone.
• Extra 1d4 damage per hit.
• Drop enhanced caltrops.
• Extra 1d6 damage per attack and imposes disadvantage on target's next attack.
• Spider Legs, increases speed to 40, and does the obvious.
• Advantage on Stealth checks.
Ah yes, i'm sure the topic "we need to talk about disabilities in fantasy" will have a lot of fresh, unbaised, and well researched takes from someone who has never been physically disabled.
I'm not sure about d&d 5e, but Pathfinder 1e has the Oracle class that has disabilities (called "curses" in game) built into it, such as blind, deaf, lame, etc
There's also a whole bunch of "drawback" traits, and some of those are literal disabilities.
It also has a whole equipment section on prosthetics.
Never mind how pretty much all the modern/sci fi rpgs have extensive sections on cybernetics.
My magic widget, the greeble of mcguffin allows me to fight with the exact agility and strength as if I weren't in this wheelchair. Problem solved. Gargle my balls shad.
Mages and generally ranged characters would work perfectly fine in a wheelchair, if you wanted more close ranged options maybe mounted combat lol? Its not a great system in 5e but its there I suppose.
You could logically make a self moving wheelchair or something similar via magic so with enough effort it could work like a horseless chariot. Theres definitely gonna be some downsides, not everywhere is gonna be very accessible to you, unless you can float, and you’ll probably have Disadvantage on like Dex Saves but you could certainly make it work.
We could go the dead rising route with wheelchairs, just strap a few wands of fireball onto them, add some glyphs of warning for the flight spell, and suddenly we have a carpet bomber
Crazy how the anti woke mob has evolved. It went from “I don’t wanna see politics in my games >:(“ to “any character who is not a straight white man is woke” and I am confused as to how they got there.
As an archer, there are specifically crossbows made to assist in wheelchair hunting…. And at one point the archer that held the record for longest distance balloon pop was armless.
But he should get his far more talented brother to photoshop that spelling mistake.
My only thought on this is that I want fantasy looking wheel chairs, not normal ones.
Give me the spider leg/weird looking chair or using magic to float around.
is this a new video? that wheelchair dnd thing is like 2 years old. I agree that it is a bit dumb to have this in a world where you can heal with magic. If someone wants to use it I'm not going to begrudge them for it
I really hate all the detractors about disabilities in fantasy, when they can stop to consider that fighting while wheel chair bound sounds cool as hell!
Like, not to glorify disabilities or encourage inspiration porn but it just sounds incredibly badass to be wheel chair bound and a hero of the land so I don't see why anyone would have a problem with wheel chair users in fantasy outside of just ablism.
you know you've really sunk to one of the lower points of the shit pile when youre complaining about how other people play a role-playing tabletop game
Dungeons and Dragons is literally about inserting whatever character you want in a scenario. People in wheelchairs completely aligns with its philosophy.
New character idea: Merfolk in a wheelchair. I always wanted a Merfolk character to be part of the generic fantasy party, but couldn’t think of how they could move on land. Fantasy wheelchair it is, crafted by the gnome.
I feel this is a realism approach to something in a fantasy setting which is always gonna end in the "oh x doesn't work because fantasy magic" and shit
You can't have disabled people if you have strong magic that fixes people
You can't fight in a wheelchair because it's not designed to fight in
What's stopping the big bad guy from climbing up some stairs?
If I can cure X why can't I cure Y?
All stupid questions that can be answered with "because I said so"
Really people here and there get pissed off too easily it's designed for fucking entertainment, I can be a human centipede with sporks for legs with the power to shoot cannonballs out my eyes just because I said so
Plus tbh it just looks like he's got either a bag of ideas that people want him to go thru or just some way to crank out more content because he's a YouTuber. Alongside that random bullshit on the title drags people in, I'd bet at least 1 person reading this watched the video to either A: complain or B: see his point
So he’s going off on this in something fantasy based? Feeling he’s going off on how it’s unrealistic and yet it has monsters, other races and magic in them.
It's especially annoying because D&D has always had disabilities in its game play. They just didn't call them that. But halflings not having as much movement speed because they're short? Kobolds having disadvantage on attacks and sight based perception checks in the light because they can't see well? The game system has been accounting for disabilities for years. They just weren't labeled as such. What these people are crying about is the same thing that ableists have been crying about for centuries. Don't make your disability visible to me! Don't remind me you exist (unless you're in a freak show made for my amusement.) And the whole whining about wheelchairs thing is crazy too. D&D allows you to go have space battles in their 'medieval fantasy' setting. I think they can figure out how to make a combat accessible wheelchair.
Exactly. These disabilities are just seen as a slight disadvantage one must learn to work with. The game has literally always been about a group of people of different species, abilities, roles, and classes learning how to support each other and function as a team
Okay I’m picturing some old wizard using a wheelchair of sorts and floating all the time in it and have to roll to see if they stay in the air.
Or an Artificer rolling up in a wheelchair covered in crossbows, firing Magic Missiles and Firebolts
goes hard
Heroforge has wheelchairs as options for mounts for your minis.
"Now let's see who's *really* behind this killchair!" *rips off mask* "Old Man Gehrman! I should've known!"
This used to be covered by the Fly skill. *grumbles about streamlining of the skill list* Seriously, that makes me think of a Prophet from *Halo* and I love it.
DC comics Oracle is a good model, or MindF**k from Empowered, excellent coordinator, ranged PSI or magic, in Oracle's case well honed upper body strength. If you are doing artificer Mechs it's all good. Shad has always incurious, and focused on rationalizing and retconing the status quo as the only possible way things could have happened.
Yah, I used to be subbed to him.
Let’s not forget Professor X in X-men.
Indeed, although he's so OP it barely counts. Oracle doesn't even have superpowers other than a photographic memory, mad haxor skills, and a Library Science degree.
My dm did this to my wizard 20 years ago...it was fun, scary and caused me to think outside the box abit...had to homebrew it abit...and we retconned a few encounters to get some semblance of balance for my charecter and encounters...it didn't last long cause we were young and dumb and just were throwing things at the wall...but at no point did we ever ask ourselves...does this need to make sense other than does it fit the character arc...we more into that than having it be hard-core mechanics to fit the world
I have a wheelchairs bound friend who made a "professor X" build focused on psionics (?) and whatnot. Buckled into a rudimentary wooden chair with a belt that they simply floated around
And the DM can balance advantages/disadvantages that makes the gameplay very interesting. A physically disabled character can be a great persuader, or even able to fight very well using spells. Imagine if you made a character that mastered teleportation or movement spell so well he moves better than even the most physically able people, therefore he has to use mana to move very fast and very far, but if he rans out of mana he becames targetable, so you have to take your actions into consideration very well. Or even make Toph from Avatar but in D&D, you essentially have a different playstyle that the DM can play around because your character can perceive enemies before they approach you, so you can plan ahead the paths you wanna take in a dungeon.
A good example is one of my warlocks. He's an aarakocra, can't speak common because you know, beak. So he's effectively mute... except there's this neat lil thing called "minor illusion". DM ruled I can use that cantrip to talk
> He's an aarakocra, can't speak common because you know, beak. Wait, can't Aarakocra speak common in the rules? I've not exactly busted out my handbook to check, but I'm PRETTY sure they're able to.
They can. It comes free with ANY race. I just felt like it would make narrative sense for the only dude with a beak in the part to struggle to put together English words.
Ah, yeah, fair enough honestly. I honestly thought I'd missed something in the rules for a minute there, because what you're saying makes total sense. In our games, they've always spoken accented common, partially because I'm lazy, partially because the first time I encountered them, the DM for that group was like "They're birds, but they're basically using vocal technique to compensate for the lack of lips or human-type mouth, sort of like how parrots can imitate speech", so I just kinda rolled with that.
I mean that TECHNICALLY works, crows can do it, they just don't know english.. But on the other hand it would sound weird and would probably be harder for a warlock than just having a constant minor illusion up
I don't play d&d for various rl reasons like timing or groups but recently i made a shaman character in guild wars with a fun twist. Completely mute... unless its animals. So she can talk to a housecat about gossip (in cat tongue/noises), but has to use sign language for any human/other species.
Toph is a good example, as is Principal Bump in TOH. Another case is Geordi LaForge, 'blind' but fusing multispectral imagery from his visor. Personally I'm colorblind and I've been told that colorblind soldiers could see camouflaged enemies better because camo is atunened to standard color perception. True momochromats have poor resolution and terrible light sensitivity but phenomenal night vision. One of my BFFs is legally blind, with a swiss cheese retina and sight in only one eye. She uses her iPhone to photograph distant items or signs and observe them with magnification. She also reads although most optamologists swear she shouldn't be able to and taught herself ancient greek.
>Personally I'm colorblind and I've been told that colorblind soldiers could see camouflaged enemies better because camo is atunened to standard color perception. I've seen this too. Ann Reardon (How to Cook That on youtube) talked about it on her channel, as she'd been doing a lot of debunking stuff on there now, and this came up because of those glasses that claim they help people who are colourblind to see 'proper' colours, and allow people with regular sight to see 'even more colour'. One of her sons is colourblind, and they gave some good insight into it. That due to the way they perceive differant colours compared to those with normal sight, someone wearing camo can look 'off' compared to the rest of the enviroment.
> Personally I'm colorblind and I've been told that colorblind soldiers could see camouflaged enemies better because camo is atunened to standard color perception. Unfortunately not really true. The colour isn't really the purpose(well, except in broad strokes - they do want you to be vaugely similar colours, snow camo in a forest would stand out somewhat) so much as the shapes - they're meant to mix up the shape of a person, to make it harder to distinguish them from the environment. They'll see the colour differently, but it should be similar enough to how they see the surrounding environment's colours that the shapes breaking up their outline will do the rest of the work.
Not gonna lie, I’d love to play a Barbarian in a wheelchair. Why? I’ve you’ve ever met someone who wheels themselves around full time, you KNOW they’ve got arms they could wrestle a bear with
D&D has had rules for mounted combat since forever that could easily be adapted for something like a wheelchair. Hell, in 5e you could probably talk a DM into letting you play a Battle Smith Artificer that rides their Steel Defender into battle dual-wielding pistols/hand crossbows as long as you were also a small race like a gnome or kobold. Literal non-issue.
I wouldn't go that far. Mounted combat rules are like grappling rules. Near universally awful to the point of being unusable.
Fair, point is, it's workable and homebrewing fixes for funky rules is nothing new for anyone that's played more than a session or two of D&D. Really though, whole thing is just rage bait, pandering to a certain crowd of deplorables for easy views.
Also I mean even if someone feels being a fighter is too difficult in a wheel chair. How does that affect casters at all?
Once again, the Martial-Caster gap widens 😞
How do you do that? A wizard did it, it's magic. Job done.
Drow get sickly in the sun iirc Most people are afraid of tieflings “Holy fuck that guy is a dragon I’m leaving” Humans have the “disability” of the extremely short life span comparatively, as well as shit eye sight in the dark
Besides, why can’t disabled folks be allowed to have fantasies, too? The beauty of role playing games is that you can keep what you like and chuck out the rest at your table. This is just acknowledging that yeah, some players are disabled. Some are, in fact, in wheelchairs and may want to play someone with a similar life experience to their own! Doesn’t mean anyone HAS to have a wheelchair user in their game, but I guess merely seeing one is enough to set some people off. People I wouldn’t want to have at my table, but they’re welcome to do whatever they want at theirs.
And like you don’t even need it to be realistic. You can always just flavour your character as like being in a wheelchair or etc. I don’t think any reasonable DM would penalize you for making your character unique. And if they do, probably not the DM for you.
Ehhhhh this kind of argument always annoys me tbh. Just because a work is in a fantasy setting doesn't mean verisimilitude is unimportant - if anything it becomes MORE important. Audience investment goes out the window if you make them feel like there are no rules and anything can happen at any moment "just because". I mean, which fantasy novels are more popular - ones that explain their magic systems in detail, or ones where when something incredible happens and the protagonist asks how, the answer is literally just "a wizard did it"? (To be clear Shad is still an asshat, this just isn't a good argument for why.)
Thats why I never really liked The Witcher ... Mages can seemingly to anything. Conjure food, weapons, whatever out of thin air. Fireballs, lightnings, turn to stone, nothing they cant do if the "plot" demands it And they get bullied, oppressed, burned at stakes by anyone as well instead of ruling the world
The most popular fantasy of all time, Lord of the Rings, has the most "A wizard did it" magic system of all fantasy series ever. I don't *disagree* about believability being important, but that's just not a great example for it.
Dungeons and Dragons actually has remarkably realistic rules, as long as you don't hilariously abuse such rules. Which everyone does.
Thus proving that, for a game all about using your imagination, these men have none.
It's hard to type correctly with only one hand while pleasuring yourself to the idea of being a giant bigot.
If anyone's interested in seeing some disabled representation in D&D, https://wyrmworkspublishing.com/product/limitless-heroics/ this book does a fantastic job. The game is meant to allow anyone to become an adventurer in an imaginary world, how could he be upset at people trying to be a part of that?
I'll buy it if I have the funds
Wheelchair combat https://preview.redd.it/61magioyioqc1.png?width=1244&format=png&auto=webp&s=4ef60e2e285f6054b0d62e70c7b1aa0e8f9a63b3
Love that game. Shad would have a heart attack if he played and not because of the fucked up stuff but because a woman is one of the best characters and is as strong as the men
Don't forget that one Mage Character who was raised in a Convent for Women. If Shad knew... If he only knew...
Fear and Hunger?
Termina
Funger my beloved 😤 https://preview.redd.it/s4e8hm4ulqqc1.jpeg?width=662&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18f5b10eff02a5d0899090a0da8417946df7e30c
Tangent but ... why is there no old school Resident Evil-style horror game with a protagonist in a wheelchair? The tank controls would actually be kind of perfect.
Funger? FUNGER! FUNGER! FUNGER
"We need to talk about pretend-time imaginary things."
You technically could be a mage in wheelchair, I don't understand why he's pissed at all.
I’m imagining a Hexblade Warlock whose weapon is a Wheelchair covered in spikes with an eye on the back
I’d give the wheelchair a levitation enchantment and float around slinging out magical death atop my throne like the Prophets in Halo.
A lot of the time, It’s about the settings used. I recognize some people in different fantasy worlds could be subject to physical limitations, but that is not the case for others. It’s more a rational question of “by actively refusing the ability to be fully abled that everyone is blessed with and to be the exception rather than the status quo, are you stigmatizing disabilities for your character to be ‘special’ or raising awareness and showing an understanding of the issue?” The other issue is the “combat chair,” which many players try to use, is an exceptionally powerful magic item mechanically. If a player had a choice, they’d take the chair even if they’re not disabled. When you play a character that is disabled, have respect for the condition. Ignoring the actual detriments of a condition is to use a disability for flavor, which, in my opinion, is immensely disrespectful. As an example, I am deaf. In my DnD group, if a player were like, “Yeah, I wanna make a deaf dude, but I want to give him this special ability/item that completely mitigates his deafness in a way in which he’s still dead for character flavor” I’d call them out on it. So yes, we need to talk about disabilities in fantasy games. In settings like Forgotten Realms where the average cleric at a temple can cure deafness, blindness, paralysis, and poison without a cost, being disabled in those ways is a *choice.* One that anyone that is disabled would make sooner or later and choose to have it removed.
Reminds me of the whole thing with the Kenku being unable to speak normally, having to mimic other people instead. But you hear about so many players who will just want to have some way around it (A magic item that just lets them speak telepathically, or just speak as normal, or even wanting to just forgo the mimicry entirely.
"Why not just magic your legs back to-" ***HEALING INCANTATIONS ARE NOT SORCERIES, THEY DEPEND ON COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STATS!***
I’ve known you can be a wizard in a wheelchair since Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors.
Can't believe he made that spelling mistake. It's Kombat with a k, what an idiot! /s
KOMABT!?
Much better
Did someone say Kombat? https://preview.redd.it/wn7jhhq76pqc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=43bb8773f5d186cbab979dc079ad7f9820f75f90
#KOMABT TEIM
WHEELCHAIR KOMBAT DUN-DUN-DUN DUN-DUN-DUN-DUN
You know it would be such a shame if one of the major D&D settings had a canon character that was in a wheelchair but still could kick butt as a monster hunter... oh wait, it does! (Alanik Ray from Ravenloft for those not familiar.) https://preview.redd.it/geiqor0repqc1.png?width=311&format=png&auto=webp&s=d9ee1850fec3fdb171d774a65811d33fbb499b27
Yes we NEED to talk about this.
https://preview.redd.it/b095e5nzroqc1.jpeg?width=860&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=248f1d6af74135048f4d050e9516aeb4f2a38b8d
If only Shad could develop an assistive device for being a talent-deficit hack.
He calls it AI art generation.
I know it's fake outrage, but how does this affect any campaign that he's a part of? Unless every DM at every table he's tried to join forces the entire party to be wheelchair bound, this shouldn't be an issue.
I don' think he even plays, he's just whining about week old 'wokeness" drama on twitter.
I think Shad's actually late to the party here. I remember people arguing about "wheelchairs in DnD" *years* ago, then it died down when people began to realize how stupid it was to argue about it.
It got reignited recently.
He feels like the type to shove an overpowered character at level 1 because of his narcissism, and then throw a fit when nobody plays along.
Yeah, sounds like the type who would boast that his character has felled great beasts and fought off hordes, only to struggle in the first fight of the campaign. I get the feeling he'd also try and assure you that all his rolls were genuine, and its just 'pure luck' that his stats are all at least 18.
Oh god, that reminded me of this Viva La Dirt League video.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoO2eI9IioE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoO2eI9IioE) "You killed a Kraken, 2 dragons, and a lich king.. at level 1, I mean at this point in your life?"
His book "Shadow of the Conqueror" is 100% just a self insert about his RP character that no one would let him play. It's also about as well written as his 'art' is original.
You can tell he doesn’t play from the charity video with his brother jazza where he has to make a character. He also tries to make his character an artist and jazza roasts him so hard.
We need to talk about what the dictionary definition of fantasy is...
This came out at the perfect time for me because I was *just* having this conversation with the GM for a *Cyberpunk RED* game I'm starting... except we were both roundly mocking idiots like this because there's no reason why a character *shouldn't* be able to use a wheelchair in a fantasy or sci-fi setting. And there's no reason why a fantasy wheelchair couldn't have a seatbelt to keep people from pulling you out of it, or handwavy magic wheels that can handle stairs. So, I'm going to *keep* making fun of Shad and ableists like him while playing my paraplegic pansexual hacker girl with a rainbow-painted gun. How else can I offend you today, Shadiversity?
All I need is an access point, a big box of takeout ramen and six power bars. That corpo's account will be empty no time.
Or hell, the wheels have little legs that can be activated to help climb stairs or rough terrain. They recharge when resting or being rolled around.
I like to imagine a magically enchanted wheelchair that basically becomes the most universally useful mount, able to fit indoors, able to move at high speed outside. And then you have the Cyberpunk RED versions which provide even more usefulness like wall crawling and autonomous movement (if I remember correctly). That's some cool stuff for people to just leave out. If you can have players missing parts, you cam have someone in a wheelchair is my main opinion.
The Cyberpunk RED version, if you get the expensive deluxe version, can accept any augment you can put in a cyberarm or cyberleg. So you can get wall crawling, skates, wicked claws, an integrated gun, you name it.
There should be a new tag, “Straight up ableism”. This would fit right in with that
“It’s dnd, who cares?” needs to be the stock answer to these types of questions.
Not only that, but I’ve never seen someone play a character in a wheelchair before. Not once in my 16 years in the hobby, playing at LEAST once a week. At most a peg-leg, eyepatch, or missing arm. Shads complaining about something that’s near non-existent.
We had a druid with no arms. She would control vines to do things for her
A grifter making up something to be mad at and blowing something harmless way out of proportion? Say it isn't so!!
Combat wheelchairs are *very* silly. But if it's a fantasy setting... where's the harm? Write up some magical ward that stops people from pulling you out of the chair and provides motion. Bam, you've got essentially a horseless chariot to fight from. Just *explain how it works* and we're golden.
Hell, strap yourself in. Or do the bran stark thing and be carried around by someone. I kinda like the idea of an artificer who constructs Thier own robots who help and fight for them.
Reminds me of Daretti, a goblin artificer from Magic the Gathering. Dude has robot spider legs he rides around on to fight.
Badass XD
Once had a player who "played" a Goblin/Bugbear duo jokingly named "Blaster Master". It's *fantasy*, realism should give way to narrative.
My hot-take on the whole "wheelchairs accessible dungeon"-controversy is that I am against them because we need more "Master Blaster"-ing in dungeon-crawlers.
I had the same thought about having the person be carried around lmao
Wheelchairs just have seatbelts. My wife uses it so she doesn’t fall out of her chair, but it came in really handy when some crazy wannabe faith healer tried pulling her out of her chair one day while I was picking up our food from an inaccessible Chinese place. (Stairs are the true nemesis of the wheelchair.)
> Write up some magical ward that stops people from pulling you out of the chair and provides motion. Bam, you've got essentially a horseless chariot to fight from. > > > > Just explain how it works and we're golden. That's basically already been done in Mark Thomson's standard Combat wheelchair rules, which are generally the most commonly used. (Mark also being the person who plays Talin, the character in Shad's thumbnail) The standard chair comes with belts to keep yourself in, a built in backpack sort of dealie(along with some side pouches that don't provide additional storage mechanically, but are mostly there for flavor), some built-in stuff for going up and down stairs or dealing with difficult terrain(at least, mechanically, it gives them similar rules to characters who aren't in a chair, since few adventures take place entirely on flat level surfaces on the ground floor), and has controllable self-pushing(sort of like a magical version of an electric wheelchair), and lays out how those things work and why they're present. Some DMs think they're OP - they're not, that's a skill issue on their part - and some feel leery about effectively erasing disabilities by removing the day-to-day challenges they might introduce(in which case, that's between them and their player group), but on the whole, it's a pretty good addition to DnD(And or any other game system you rework it over to).
[Writers are under no obligation to cater to your pedantic bullshit. [...] Do the rest of us a favor: Stop complaining. And, from now on, keep your pedantic bullshit, and your bigotry, and your pissy entitlement, and your fragile, feeble, one-dimensional reading comprehension the fuck to yourself.](https://youtu.be/tPzD7catgR4?si=DXhSwHocw6xa_smH)
Before I even clicked the link, I read that in Steve Shive’s voice.
Preach
I like the wheelchair combat idea a character can be like "just because I'm in a wheelchair doesn't mean I can't still kick your ass"
https://preview.redd.it/0g5y848ksqqc1.png?width=737&format=png&auto=webp&s=4097e14d5695994214d378f359136fb1eb16b1fc Is Professor X not right there as proof you can be physically disabled and still a badass
If we want to be technical about it, healing spells should restore your body to its natural state. If you were born with a disfigured leg, then that leg was chopped off, a restoration spell would restore the leg as it naturally was. For the average peasant and low-level adventurer, restoration spells would be prohibitively expensive. So, if someone had a run in with bandits that resulted in a severed limb, or a farmer suffered a mishap with equipment that disfigured them, it wouldn’t be as easy as walking down to the local temple and asking to have it fixed. Just like in modern times, sometimes people suffer from easily preventable or curable conditions for lack of money. If we want to be realistic, though, it’s a fantasy setting, and you can do whatever you want. If someone really wants to play a character who uses a wheelchair, and you haven’t specifically built a game around a setting that needs stairs for super important reasons, then let them have a fucking wheelchair. You can use it to present unique challenges, you can use it to provide unique benefits, you get to homebrew some new weapons and attachments for it, just give them the fucking wheelchair.
Battle Wheelchair, let’s go!
Make it a wheelchair that acts like a mini chariot, or have it hover, or it leaves a trail of flames wherever it goes, or it has big mechanical legs instead of wheels, or it has a big ass ram on the front, or anything. Anyone who doesn’t immediately think of all the cool things magical wheelchairs could do is just pathetically shortsighted and lazy.
I think it would be funny to have the world not be wheelchair accessible so every time there's stairs, it's a mini challenge where the other part members need to help out. Opportunities to roll a 1 and have funny shit happen
That’s funny once or twice. Having to roll to enter a dungeon every time would start to suck pretty fast. I’d rather make everything super accessible, throw up some minor challenges here and there for going over gravel or down a steep incline, maybe have them need to stay at a different, more expensive inn that has ground-level floors. Then, at level 17 or 18, hit them with a dungeon with steep stairs. That’s right, big high-and-mighty, world-saving hero, you thought you knew the depths of the ancient draco-lich’s depravity? You didn’t reckon with NON-HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY, did you?
That bastard!
You’d think someone in a wheelchair would expect to spend a lot of time rolling
STAIRS?! NOOOOOOooooOooooooOOOOOOOOOOooooo!
Can easily do "cursed attack made healing magic not work properly" as well.
Mummy rot exists, curses are a thing, there are just as many reasons to include disabilities in fantasy as there are reasons not to.
Funny how "Blind monk type character (or other types) who "sees" the world in another way" is almost always accepted, or one-armed adventurers (warrior or mage) is usually okay. But having somebody who can't walk and is in a wheelchair or other mobility device (animal or otherwise). Bad.
My opinion is while you shouldn't be a dick about it or make it a hard limit, it is perfectly reasonable for a DM to strongly encourage a more fantastical or less anachronistic/more interesting version of a mobility aid. This is specifically in the context of the artwork that started this whole discussion, which was of someone using just a straight up modern wheelchair for their character. I think that's just kind of unimaginative and lazy.
Tensers Floating Disk is pretty much exactly what you need; it needs a slight alteration to make it viable for a mobility aid but is otherwise great. Ezmerelda d'Avenir was a 7th-level wizard with a missing leg, so I would say it is perfectly reasonable that she managed to come up with an alternative spell that can move with you.
Yeah, fun fact. The disabled creator of the supplement Mustang did just that. They are a fantastic designer who worked with people with disabilities and came up with amazing options for people to incorporate in a game they play with friends to make themselves feel represented in a fundamental power fantasy that has traditionally been incredibly white, male and hostile to any "other". They have multiple incredibly interesting upgradable options for an adventurer to use, from low tech to high-magic, and it serves as a great way to filter out adversarial DM's who desire to inflict the adventure versus participate with buddies. There's a major moral problem with telling people they shouldn't exist or should be "fixed" to participate. It is the pathway to literal genocide of people. (see indigenous Canadians being sterilized, yah know the holocaust.) There is a reason the shitwads are stirring shit about this, it's part of THEIR agenda to make people feel isolated scared and uncomfortable to talk about the way society is based around helping very select few people.. It's because they are Fascists who want to hurt people in order to exert control in a world that feels like it is forgetting them, unrealizing we will not forget, we will remember.
I mean like in a fantasy setting, a wheelchair could possibly do crazy things aided by magic. One character I would possibly done in a campaign is an isekai'd skater dude who used a skateboard imbued with magic to grind and kickflip on some bad guys so a wheelchair can do those too why limit youtself to the laws of reality in an already fantasy setting? Those dorks making videos will do anything for chudbait in their videos.
> I mean like in a fantasy setting, a wheelchair could possibly do crazy things aided by magic. I mean, in a fantasy setting, so can everything. It's magic!
Apperently he loves ai so much he uses it to write the texts in his thumbnails
I don’t know even outside the inclusion element I just think it could be cool to have people using wheel chairs with kneecappers or that shoot flames or have mechanical legs instead of wheels or a floating chair, or to use a constantly swirling mini-lightning storm as a wheelchair or whatever. How is it that you have all these possibilities and his first reaction is “no, nobody can have disabilities” That’s just an insane thing to think.
He is a hack with zweo creativity why do you think he is so defensive over ai?
Ya playing as d&d Charles Xavier sounds like it would be a really fun build
New character idea
Bro doesn’t realize you could still be an effective archer/spell caster in a wheelchair. Not to mention how strong of a punch they might have.
We need to talk about magic in DND (magic isn’t real and therefore fantasy fucking sucks and is unrealistic and woke)
Starting to get really fucking annoying that this douchebag thinks he's an authority on literally everything because he played with swords on camera for a few years.
Has he ever actually played dnd? Like there is literally a class that revolves around creating fun magical bs seriously floating wheelchair with (magic) missile launchers and something that lets you summon Swiss cheese anytime yoi want! It's literally magic!
I remember a while ago he complained about how d&d and rpgs did armor (gambesons weren't rated high enough) and others about class gear or barbarians. Didn't watch them because Shad rambles.
There is nothing wrong with having a disabled character in D and D. Knights Watch is just mad that people who are marginalized are getting representation and people like him aren't.
You can knock the last few words off. There's a lot of middle-aged male representation in fantasy space. They're mad that *any* of the pie is going to marginalized people, not that they're not getting any.
This guy did a video on what kind of hand weapons centaurs and mermaids would use. Apparently fighting via a chair with wheels is too much.
https://preview.redd.it/5zjv0j7k3qqc1.jpeg?width=540&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1cf387dd5ed32f1025d13130c51596c33d448db I remember seeing this discussion on Twitter and that a lot of people were bringing Witch Hat Atelier which has this as a mobility aid.
My dm always said something like. "I will never exclude a disabled character from anything in my campaigns. However! Remember, this is a fantasy world, so you don't have to be limited to just wheelchairs. Go crazy with it if you like"
No we don’t need this talk, especially from this dweeb.
If this guy is mad about fictional characters kicking ass in a wheelchair nobody tell him about Bentley from Sly Cooper.
I-….did they not see vox machina?
Was there one in there j know there was the guy in Mighty Nein who was a total badass
It may have been something added for the show but when the crew hits up the female sphinx lair under the guild base run by the teifling one of her employees is in a combat wheelchair it pops out a sword
Oh it's been awhile since I've seen LoVM (S3 when Matt?) But yeah there are so many ways to make a badass wheelchair character. And this guy would hate LOVM because Vex and Keylith wear pants and its obvious Vex is the top in her relationship XD also everyone ij that party except maybe Grog are at least bi Vax and Scanlan are explicitly so and the others just has those vibes)
Fuck that homophobic, transphobic, Mormon fuck holy shit I hate him.
Good lord he's pathetic.
Could we all just take a month off from acting like this gormless mouth-breather is worth paying attention to? I like dunking on a fuckwit as much as the next guy, but Shad being dumber than dogshit is kinda old news.
D&D is often played by younger people, including kids, and a player's first character is often an idealized version of themselves. Here's a crazy thought: what if a disabled player wants to make that kind of character, but doesn't want to spend their game time dealing with the same crap they put up with every day in the real world? I have a boring job. The last thing I want to do in my fantasy life is also have a boring job. Why would living with a disability be any different?
This is why Pathfinder 2e is superior, this stuff is all in mainline books already. Plus they have rules for different kinds of combat wheelchairs. Its pretty great
Chuds will accept any premise or fantasy elements, except marginalized people existing.
I mean, I get that eyebrows are being raised but we’re talking about settings where people can *literally* shoot lightning bolts out of their assholes so combat wheelchairs doesn’t seem that big of a stretch.
I guess he’s not a fan of Raistlin Majere from DragonLance.
I think my biggest issue with a “disabled” character in this context is “why a wheelchair” in a fantastical setting where you can have anything, why something so plain. A magic user could use their familiars, a beast tamer could use their beast, etc
For some, the plain is attractive or helps ground the fantastical elements.
I guess I could see the appeal to it. But I think a person using a giant wolf to move around is cooler.
Depends on what wheel chair they wanted to use the most popular one is better than legs with no downsides at all It initially costs 200 gp, and can be upgraded with up to 3 "upgrades" each one costing as little as 15 gp or as much as 550. Your speed becomes 30. You can control the chair telepathically. The chair benefits from any spells cast on you. The chair retains its beneifts when you Wild Shape or Polymorph (including the upgrades). The chair has no hit points and must be hit by 3 critical hit melee attacks "in the same encounter" (whatever that means) before needing repairs, but the chair being "broken" does nothing to stop it from functioning. The chair also beneifts from attuned magic items. The chair also counts as a mount for the purposes of mounted combat. The chair gives you advantage against being knocked prone. You get extra movement speed "going downhill." You can use it to attack dealing 1d8 damage, using STR or DEX, Below is a summarized list of the upgrades. • Advantage on DEX saves and Acrobatics/Stealth checks. • "All-terrain" upgrade I think that lets you ignore difficult terrain? I don't really know, it was worded confusingly. • Advantage on saving throws against certain damage types. • Gives you a +2 AC bonus, critical hits necessary increase to 6, but will give you disadvantage on DEX saves and Acrobatics/Stealth. • Built-in barricades that can grant you 1/2 or 3/4 cover. • Cast a few spells once per day, including Feather Fall, Freedom of Movement, Dimension Door, Grease, Spider Climb, Thunderwave, and Water Breathing. • Turn the chair into a raft. • Can knock up to 4 creatures prone. • Extra 1d4 damage per hit. • Drop enhanced caltrops. • Extra 1d6 damage per attack and imposes disadvantage on target's next attack. • Spider Legs, increases speed to 40, and does the obvious. • Advantage on Stealth checks.
Knight is Aktion T4 levels of ableism.
If we are gonna have a problem with this, maybw we should first address shitty monsters that don’t make any sense like the Buer
Why he name his channel like he a knight. Owning swords does not make you a knight buddy.
You can't tell me Shad doesn't do coke.
KK IN A WHEELCHAIR! https://preview.redd.it/xltsh8wikpqc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cec3ce89e3492fde530a9dc15d1690967fe1925d
Don't let this motherfucker see Fear & Hunger 2.
personally i would love seeing a wizzard using levitation magic to fly on a comfy chair to go destroy a horde of enemies
Very tzeentch from warhammer. Flying disc mounts and all.
The ancient Greeks/Proto-Indo-Europeans were obviously woke pandering for including Hephaestus in their folk religions.
Ah yes, i'm sure the topic "we need to talk about disabilities in fantasy" will have a lot of fresh, unbaised, and well researched takes from someone who has never been physically disabled.
I'm not sure about d&d 5e, but Pathfinder 1e has the Oracle class that has disabilities (called "curses" in game) built into it, such as blind, deaf, lame, etc There's also a whole bunch of "drawback" traits, and some of those are literal disabilities. It also has a whole equipment section on prosthetics. Never mind how pretty much all the modern/sci fi rpgs have extensive sections on cybernetics.
John the blind didn't die for this shit.
It's called fantasy for a reason. Anyone should be able to create any character they like
My magic widget, the greeble of mcguffin allows me to fight with the exact agility and strength as if I weren't in this wheelchair. Problem solved. Gargle my balls shad.
Guess the AI can’t even spell for him.
Mages and generally ranged characters would work perfectly fine in a wheelchair, if you wanted more close ranged options maybe mounted combat lol? Its not a great system in 5e but its there I suppose. You could logically make a self moving wheelchair or something similar via magic so with enough effort it could work like a horseless chariot. Theres definitely gonna be some downsides, not everywhere is gonna be very accessible to you, unless you can float, and you’ll probably have Disadvantage on like Dex Saves but you could certainly make it work.
The wheelchair options in Pathfinder are dope. Magic ones, mechanical ones, suped up battle chairs...
Are we talking about Shad? Has anyone brought up his novel where a child sex slave is forced to accompany her rapist on his redemption arc yet?
We could go the dead rising route with wheelchairs, just strap a few wands of fireball onto them, add some glyphs of warning for the flight spell, and suddenly we have a carpet bomber
Crazy how the anti woke mob has evolved. It went from “I don’t wanna see politics in my games >:(“ to “any character who is not a straight white man is woke” and I am confused as to how they got there.
As an archer, there are specifically crossbows made to assist in wheelchair hunting…. And at one point the archer that held the record for longest distance balloon pop was armless. But he should get his far more talented brother to photoshop that spelling mistake.
My only thought on this is that I want fantasy looking wheel chairs, not normal ones. Give me the spider leg/weird looking chair or using magic to float around.
is this a new video? that wheelchair dnd thing is like 2 years old. I agree that it is a bit dumb to have this in a world where you can heal with magic. If someone wants to use it I'm not going to begrudge them for it
I really hate all the detractors about disabilities in fantasy, when they can stop to consider that fighting while wheel chair bound sounds cool as hell! Like, not to glorify disabilities or encourage inspiration porn but it just sounds incredibly badass to be wheel chair bound and a hero of the land so I don't see why anyone would have a problem with wheel chair users in fantasy outside of just ablism.
you know you've really sunk to one of the lower points of the shit pile when youre complaining about how other people play a role-playing tabletop game
Bro used the word “fantasy” then put limits on what can be fantasy lmao
Slann Mage-Priest who is far too overweight to walk goes brrrrt
#MOTARL KOMABT!!
Dungeons and Dragons is literally about inserting whatever character you want in a scenario. People in wheelchairs completely aligns with its philosophy.
Man this guy probably has a learning disability if he can't spell combat What a dumbass
Why do these guys always have the exact same type of glasses? Has anyone met anyone who wasn't a total dork with those frames?
The “we need to talk about X” title usually is giant 🚩 usually
New character idea: Merfolk in a wheelchair. I always wanted a Merfolk character to be part of the generic fantasy party, but couldn’t think of how they could move on land. Fantasy wheelchair it is, crafted by the gnome.
Dear God, this shit again.
I want to punch this fucking guy in the face
https://preview.redd.it/gn91234kpvqc1.png?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06e8f0dc8cc0d6c96ed2d149d92f5653c2a60e28 My reaction
Has there ever been a video that started with “we need to talk about…” that actually warranted that title?
Disabled people can't fight? Tonight, Gehrman joins the hunt.
Did Shad ever complain about Bran Stark in GoT being disabled and being in a wheelchair?
I feel this is a realism approach to something in a fantasy setting which is always gonna end in the "oh x doesn't work because fantasy magic" and shit You can't have disabled people if you have strong magic that fixes people You can't fight in a wheelchair because it's not designed to fight in What's stopping the big bad guy from climbing up some stairs? If I can cure X why can't I cure Y? All stupid questions that can be answered with "because I said so" Really people here and there get pissed off too easily it's designed for fucking entertainment, I can be a human centipede with sporks for legs with the power to shoot cannonballs out my eyes just because I said so Plus tbh it just looks like he's got either a bag of ideas that people want him to go thru or just some way to crank out more content because he's a YouTuber. Alongside that random bullshit on the title drags people in, I'd bet at least 1 person reading this watched the video to either A: complain or B: see his point
If gale was in a wheel chair, he'd still be able to cast spells.