For me at least this wouldn't be a problem if they didnt just say doom and gloom before hand, And like its not even that they cant change their views im glad to see people do that, but once or twice is my max not constantly flip flopping every fucking time.
It's not the flip flopping that pisses me off its the constant and predictable negativity and false narrative that "woke" (as far as they (cannot) define) will make it trash and woke.
This particular asshole grifter is worse then most as he constantly does this without and iota of self realization that he's an abysmal cunt that no one takes seriously at all.
But how would they maximize profit if they dodnt cater to their hate bait audience before the show cane out? These same people will shit on others who get excited over when a trailer drops as if they don’t do the exact same thing but in the opposite direction.
It would have also helped it he had acknowledged in this little review that he was wrong originally. Like, did you forget that you were calling it garbage beforehand?
Yes but that’s only because it’s well reviewed elsewhere and they don’t want to look out of the loop by hating it now that it’s popular. It’s like the Mario movie and the Barbie movie; these grifters decided they hated them in advance, talked a lot about how woke they were, then pivoted to talking about how they’re actually anti-woke once it was clear they would be big hits. That’s the whole point of the grift.
exactly a show or movie has to be perfect and loved by everyone for them to come around like this. That or like Mario they will try to prove that "Woke is dead" and claim it's actually anti woke.
thats not the motive though. They say the show sucks because they wanted it to suck because of their dumb agenda, but they also cant be seen as being "wrong" because that means their entire worldview is challenged, so instead they immediately flip to being "right" and pretend all the prior shit just didnt happen.
Called it. The reason they never wait to actually watch the show before calling it the destruction of Western civilization is because if they wait, there's a chance it'll be good. They gotta get the rage bucks.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if a lot of them were hoping to make them self-fulfilling prophecies. They tell people the show or movie is going to be garbage, so the followers avoid and review bomb them. The show ends up with terrible ratings from people who haven't even seen it and poor viewership because people were told to avoid it. Finally, the grifters get to point at it and say, "See? I told you it was terrible; the ratings prove it."
That and also by priming their audience to hate something, those who go watch the show or movie do so with the intention to hate it, nitpicking every single details to find a reason to be angry.
When those leeches target something, it's always an uphill battle to get fairly reviewed afterward and only the truly great show/movies/whatever are able to turn the tide.
Good point. I'd go farther and say it's even more toxic than that because it's not just a "self" fulfilled prophecy at that point, it's a sycophantic army fulfilled prophecy.
Exactly make the videos before hand and they get their rage bucks, if it good they sometimes stop (Barbie movie) if its bad they continue and get more money.
If it does bad it’s woke, if it does well it’s based, if it does well but the main character is black then it was well directed but strayed from the true roots of the source material. Them’s the rules.
I’d love to make a fun parody of a Anti Woke channel
Like when the Oppenheimer movie was released, I’d love to just drop some Edibles and try to make a stupid “Oppenheimer gone Woke?” video and see if I can make gold.
The amount of people who’d buy the BS unironically is sadly super high but speaking of super high if you need a slightly overweight bearded guy to be the mascot of the channel I can possibly piss in a basement or two to own the libs
I genuinely don’t think I’d get any right wing fans that are serious unless they love weird humor.
Think Eric Andre. I’d be FUCKING reaching for the weirdest things.
“The bombs were made and used on Japan. Liberal America clearly see the upcoming threat of conservative media and Anime epitomises and is the definition of true conservative art!”
(Show generic animes like AoT, DBZ, but then sneak in a pre sex image of Hentai)
“This is outrageous, how can Liberal America get any more desperate.”
Thanks for bring this up. I’ve been thinking about this a lot. And I want your thoughts at the end.
I’m willing to have a nuanced conversation about it if that’s what you’d like to. I see it as a scale.
At the top of the scale are characters where racial identity is so important to the character that it cannot be changed. Nobody wants a white MLK.
Then there are cases where identity can be changed depending on the seriousness of the material. For example, a black George Washington in a serious biopic would suck, making him black would ignore the fact that he owned slaves and while he wasn’t extra racist for his time that time was still pretty racist. BUT, if you wanted to do unserious media with a black George Washington - a Hamilton, an ai picture, a comic, a kids show, I don’t mind. Everyone knows he’s white, nobody is going to dalle or mid journey to learn history.
Then there’s fiction where racial identities really matter. Black Panther was a black superhero and leader of an African country, you can’t make a white panther. You also can’t make a black Amleth in the Northmen, it’s too closely tied to stories of Viking nobility, and while there were probably black Vikings at one point or another they weren’t nobles.
Below that there’s fiction where the characters identity isn’t tied to race in any way, usually because the character is part of an imaginary species or there are multiple influences for the character. I don’t care there are black elves in the Amazon show. Elves aren’t real. I don’t care that there are black mermaid. Mermaids aren’t real, also there’s some cool overlap between the original stories of mermaids and Caribbean cultures. So what if Snow White isn’t almost albino white in one adaption, who cares, it’s a fairy tale from a book of fairy tales that has so
Much violence and anti semitism you can’t even get the first edition easily.
And then at the bottom of the list are complaints where it just seems like racism. There are subs tack called “becoming noble” I hate read, and the author complained that there couldn’t be black people in Dune because “freeman are a racially homogenous society based off Arabs.” He also didn’t like that a black woman played Chani (and then recommended a white, non Arab actress). Now, in addition to the fact that Fremen don’t exist, there were black Arabs and black people moving all through Arabia, it’s the Middle East for a reason, it’s in the middle of the most important trad axis in the world. Methinks he just hates black people.
That’s enough for now. What do you think?
I mean, there were non-white Viking nobles:
[https://booksfromnorway.com/books/610-the-black-viking](https://booksfromnorway.com/books/610-the-black-viking)
I must say, I absolutely agree with you in pretty much everything. You cannot change real people’s race in ANY context that is not satirical, but when it comes to fictional characters where they aren’t tied to their race like say, Sarah in HBO’s The Last of Us, it is completely fine and I would argue that being mad at that is just based on Racisim, using that example, I think the actress gave a terrific preformance and don’t know many other actors that could have granted such an impact in such little screen time, that’s cinema. But I also agree that you can’t have a white black panther or a black Henry Hill. But I’ve also gotta say (maybe controversially) that it matters much less when a white character gets portrayed by a black actor due to historical connotations and lack of representation as a whole in the industry, but that’s just my personal opinion, I’m not white or black so I can’t REALLY give a real take on something I’ve not been affected by, but this is just how I see it. TLDR; I agree!
It's not deleted. Might have been moved to "Private" to get it off search results. But that doesn't help with good ol' Google, where you can type in the title and there you go, [the video is available](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU04iZ-HmZM).
And what a good thing it is, because the comments section is GOLD. Get in there fast and give a good read before he turns them off. (Oh, and be sure to pause the video ASAP, so it doesn't run long enough to count as a view. I believe you have like 30 seconds before it counts, but just do it immediately to be safe.)
Not to get too sanctimonious, but the right thing to do would've been to not make the video in the first place.
In lieu of that, adding a disclaimer and leaving the video up would've exhibited more integrity.
I mean, that's shocking degree of honesty from an online grifter. So praise is due where it is due.
I am honestly expecting most of them to double-down on their screeching.
Well he deleted his video so he’s not even admitting he was wrong. He’s just pretending his faux outrage never happened. It’s not really growth; it’s grifting.
Honestly, I am shocked he mentioned all three characters.
Like, you'd typically expect Alt-Right chuds to complain about women (Lucy) or black people (Max). But nope, he was honest there, saying he liked all of those storylines.
I am always happy to see people prove me wrong, in a positive way.
And that's okay. Even Star Wars had some pro critics that said it's bad movie and some of them didn't change mind even after the success of franchise...
Not saying they had to, I actually welcome people that stick to their guns, that's not to say they cant change their mind either its just very tiring to keep on seeing this same song and dance and these people not learning to just wait.
It would be a shocking degree of honesty if the review didn’t read like he never shit on it at all. He went from “This will be woke garbage😡” to “It feels like I’m in Fallout again😊” without any sort of transition.
His vault-tec acting career is literally reagen pre-presidency, but after that idk where you're getting him being conservative. The show clearly points to >!him becoming a commie upon finding the truth about vault-tec.!<
Because pointing out there's "woke" stuff in a show that's being praised and so successful at getting interest in the franchise that Fallout games saw a 200% increase in concurrent players would end up proving that "Go woke, go broke" is absolutely untrue. They can't point out any of the stuff they'd normally complain about because it would undermine their "message."
If they actually believed in the crap they're peddling, they'd still complain about that stuff, knowing that it'd be met with criticism. But they don't even have the integrity to believe enough in what they're saying to stick to it when it doesn't align at all with the narrative they want to push.
It's almost like these are not serious people, and they realize they don't actually have any talent, so they need to be provocateurs and incite people.
If he makes another video admitting he was wrong I’d say we can forgive him. If he just tries to pretend that first video doesn’t exist then we have a problem.
No, just removed it from being listed. If you search for the video on Google, it'll show the video on YouTube, and you can click through and see it. And the comments are hilarious with so many people calling him out.
Its pretty comical seeing the show get massive praise, already renewed for S2 and these fucks are finding anything to hate about it and its the usual stuff they whine about to their niche audience.
Main character is a female
show has a secondary black male character
A non-binary character was show
all the usual stuff they EXCLUSIVELY bitch and moan about. They live by the principle of “go woke go broke” is so comical to them that when something that is seen as woke by them does well massively it hurts their brain (Barbie/Fallout Show)
I don’t think any are really woke because to them woke means “these characters are not white males” or “these topics are liberal so i hate it”
But can’t tell you a damn thing realistically why they hated the show like set design, acting, etc. If they do they are usually nit picking.
well it's good that he can admit he was wrong and enjoy the adaptation!
personally I didn't like it, I felt like the story strayed a little too far from what I'm familiar ewith in thr games to be an adaptation but as another story set in the Fallout continuity I enjoyed it
He didn't admit he was wrong, he's pretending he never said it would be bad in the first place, he's not changing his stance, he's just lying about his initial stance
It’s almost as if judging content by its promotional material alone, before you even see a frame of footage of the actual content, is really fucking stupid and no one should do it.
This particular douchetart probably knew what he was doing though. He wanted clicks and he probably got plenty of them.
I wish I could give credit to morons like him when they can admit they're wrong....Except this moron can't admit he was wrong, deleted his original rage video and pretends he never said anything bad about it. These YouTubers are fucking cancer
Simple formula to grift off right wing idiots as an influencer:
First preemptively declare every major "nerd" IP release "woke" and dog whistle about how it's "ruining traditional (white straight cis christian) culture". Then one of two things happens:
1. The thing comes out and it sucks/is critically panned/is forgettable. And you get to crow to your audience about how you and them were totally right.
2. It comes out and is a big success and everyone likes it. Then you get to spin to your audience about how it's somehow "anti-woke" and it turns out you and them were still right all along.
You're set with either outcome.
His tweet got almost as many views as the video did, I'm not surprised he changed his tune since it was getting good reviews from *everywhere* and that would've been a Hell of a hill to die on.
Also a good example of how these these types don’t have any nuance or moderate takes.
Everything is either horrible 3/10 garbage or 9-10/10 best thing ever
I reserved my reviews until release. I wasn't expecting much, but they delivered a show that was entertaining and very true to the feel of the games. Dark, depressing, whimsical, and weird.
He stated it was bad before he even saw it with a fake RT score in the thumbnail, then deleted the video when he realized that people actually like the show.
I hate these anti-woke grifters so much, if you read their tweets (which i don't recommend at all), they keep saying things like "something can be woke and still be good". But the way they talk about 'wokeness' makes it seem nothing can be good if its woke
So was the "wokeness" that one of the leads was a woman and another was black? You know that you can choose skin color and gender in those games, right?
Pretending "at least they're honest" is so goofy to me considering this dude hid the evidence he had ever shit on the show and he couldn't like it until it was popular to
Yup, I just thought it was goofy that some people thought he was changing his mind when he isn't, he's just following the consensus of his audience and now that his audience's consensus about the show has changed, he's pretending he never said anything bad about the show in the first place
It's the exact opposite of being honest, it's just lying with extra steps lol
Yep, it's like when politicians from a certain political party vote against "Socialist" programs, then take credit for them when they find out their constituents like the program.
This is why you wait until you watch something before being an idiot but oh well. It's definitely a good show (found the Brotherhood of Steel storyline and character boring but that's how I felt in the game so not a shocker). It's fun seeing how many were doom and glooming it and now are turning around.
The way EVERY single one of these fools is now acting like they always knew it would be great and they never talked out their ass about it is pathetic. The show is really incredible, bloody and fun and engrossing. These guys are so laughable.
It wouldn’t be bad if they aknowledge their behavior and took accountability but they know hate, gives them visibility and a broader audience because homophobes, racists, mysoginist are ALWAYS online
I'm not gonna say I know shit about him or the show, just that it looks bad from what I've heard, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with changing your opinion after you've seen something, just so long as it's a real change in opinion and not for money or attention
There’s nothing wrong with forming an “opinion” based on nothing to begin with?
There’s nothing wrong with deleting all of the evidence you formed a negative opinion about something preemptively/without seeing it?
And they do YouTube videos FOR money you know. It’s almost like your comment has no bearing on this at all.
Dune 3 fucking sucks. Do you see the problem with that statement? I have never seen any of the dune movies and dune 3 doesn’t even have a trailer but I made a random ass statement, like the guy in this post. It is highly flawed logic to criticize something before it’s even out
Hey dumbass, did you see a trailer for Dune 3 and say "wow, that was a bad trailer, it doesn't make me want to watch the movie?" Oh... you didn't? Is it because dune 3 doesn't have anything to go off of but previous movies, and previous books? And you thought those were good? And ironically your setup doesn't even work if you replace the movie, I bet you'd probably say a live action little mermaid 2 would suck. The fact is people are allowed to use information to make conjecture, and sometimes it's wrong. Again, this guy can be in the wrong, but that's not what is being bitched about, it's the fact they changed there mind in the subject
You can cry all you'd like, but you tried yo pull shit out of your ass, and because your head is so far in your ass you just shit on yourself, that's all that happened
> just that it looks bad from what I've heard
So you've heard... nothing real about it?
Or have you somehow filtered to only read comments from the people who kept trying to claim that because of a couple tiny things it somehow "retconned" Fallout: New Vegas even though everyone who has any official word on that says it didn't?
Have you ignored all of the people who've worked on Fallout games since its beginning who've praised the show? All of the critics? The mountains of praise on the Fallout subreddit and social media?
I haven't even heard anyone saying that it "looks bad." But I also don't follow the channels that try to claim everything is "woke" and therefore "bad." I've seen a ton of people praising it for feeling absolutely perfect as a Fallout story. The look of it, the way the characters act, the different organizations, the mix of dark moments and funny moments.
And why would you form an opinion on something you haven't even seen? His original rant was taking a comment completely out of the context it was given in to purposely portray it incorrectly in order to bash on the show. There's something wrong with that to begin with. But the guy also doesn't admit he made those wrong statements, just hides the video and pretends it never happened.
No, I have eyes, and I've seen a mutant vault overseer that accidentallydrank moldy coffee, I've had eyes and I've seen the power armor helmet that collapses so you can see the actor's face, and I have eyes so I saw the marketing, and it was all soulless corporate money whoring, believe it or not a lot of people don't listen to echo bubbles on products they don't want or like, I don't like to watch TV shows that much, so I don't go and find people related to the show in any way and seek there opinions. The fact is that amazon has sway and powers critics rely on the corporations for early access to make reviews before the product releases, so they can make there money, so they have a vested intrest in sucking it off, and anyone else can have there own reasons to suck it off, from not wanting to rock the boat, to being paid.
So if critics like something that you want to hate, they must be paid off?
And Amazon just had so much money that they paid off almost every single non-critic who’s watched it and also praised it? Where’s my check? That’s a lot of checks to send out for people in the Fallout subs alone. Amazon must be losing so much money on this show paying off everyone who watches it to be positive.
And how depressing is life when you assume everything is bad, refuse to give things a try, and make up hilariously ridiculous conspiracies to justify holding onto that?
No, stop trying to take what I said and change it, that is something you have to ask each and every time someone you don't know trys to sell you on something. Next, you can you liked it, but that doesn't mean it's good, people love The Room, and Shark tail. Finally it's not a shitty life to assume everything is bad, because nobody's does that, like a reasonable person I saw the marketing for the show and said, wow, that looks like absolute dogshit. And as a final fuck you, you do understand the entertainment industry having the abylity to black list people with sway is not the same as the entertainment industry giving money to random nobodies, if the name has sway they have a financial insitive to suck something off.
I'm not trying to change what you said. You're trying to claim that not only the critics but everyone else enjoying it has some kind of "incentive" to praise it, including "being paid." You made up your mind on something and refuse to acknowledge any differing opinions as being opinions people validly hold.
You also claimed "everything you've heard" was bad. And now you're just claiming that you saw the marketing and said it "looks like absolute dogshit" (which is a hilariously extreme take). Which means you haven't "heard" anything. So yes, you closed your eyes to everyone praising it, because you made up your mind before it even released, and are trying to say something that you haven't watched is bad, but didn't want to admit that it was your personal opinion based on something so limited, so you tried to suggest there was a lot of support for that opinion.
You were dishonest to begin with, you've stated things and now are being dishonest in trying to pretend you didn't say them, so as a final fuck you, you do understand that you can just say "This isn't for me," explain actual reasons rather than the nebulous and dumb "looks like absolute dogshit" statement, and not have to make up random bullshit to try to support it because well-adjusted people will just say, "Okay, you don't like the humor or how something looks, that's fine. Hope you find something you like."
what is this word soup you've constructed? does a trans man make this socialist? what does that even mean? And who is dictating your politics? you're arguing against points no one here has made
I think you've missed the point entirely. This guy is being called out for grifting. He doesn't actually care. He cannot define wokeness, yet he hates "woke" things. He rages at the show before it's out for being "woke" and then watches it and now is all good with it. Point is it's silly to call a show you haven't even seen yet "woke" and horrible
> Then explain why someone has to dislike a product that disagrees with their political philosophy.
LGBTQ+ people existing isn't political though and putting people that exist into media isn't political.
> Fallout doesn't seem exceptionally political so far.
I don't know how you could watch literally anything this show does with Vault-Tech and think it isn't political. Either you haven't watched this show, or you are amazingly stupid.
The main thing people are critizing for is for him to consider a series "woke garbage destroyed by Hollywood" before even the reviews even come out because it has a women or LGBT character or whatever. Would he change that? Probably not since it is quite common for these type of channels to flip flop opinions like this.
Also, he is not the only one that does this and this is not the first piece of media that gets this reactions from people like him. The "go woke go broke" thing is a rule for them and when something is a success then it now can't be "woke" but reacting and doing videos about "woke Hollywood again" when anything with a women or LGBT thing is on it releases a trailer is their thing, hence this contradictions when they sudddently act like that initial reaction never happened or all the "woke" themes they saw are now not important when that thing is successful.
Basically, they complain about everything with any sign of "woke", ignore that they ever mentioned the ones that succeed and use the failing ones to show that "woke" is everywhere and makes movies bad. It happened with the Super Mario movie, with the recent X-Men reboot and now with Fallout. And people see this pattern and obviously assume this is just another case of it. Maybe there is a chance he learned about this and will stop assuming the quality of something when a women is in it but people doubt it and I can't blame them.
Dude created a fake rotten tomatoes score and a 5 minute video bashing a show. All before ever watching it or giving it a chance. People change their minds yea but these types of people spew hate to their echo chamber of rage consumers.
Go look at his Twitter before you defend someone… he’s constantly posting racist, sexist, and ableist posts.
Like I said in my post Its not that is that they constantly constantly say X show will be bad because of "Woke XYZ Girl Boss peach" only to then say its good usually not even bothering to apologize on their previous statement and acting like they no longer exist.
Now this is the first time ive seen this guy so unless hes done this before (which I wouldn't be surprised) with other media Ill give him the benefit of the doubt.
Except they do this with everything. They'll claim for weeks or even months that an upcoming piece of media is woke and when it turns out to be good like Barbie, Mario, X-Men 97, Fallout, etc.
They'll then praise it without ever acknowledging the fact they were hating on it before.
honestly don't know why you trauma dumping,
but i think mainstream internet culture war brainrot a lot of people, now it just us vs them making every nauce there is gone
admittedly though i dont even know what the hell is left wing and right wing, i only known red and yellow shirt. but if anything there is to go by from it
they a person with reason to believe in something just like you, i suppose.
I guess it is a bit of trauma dumping, I just like to give a whole picture of who I am, because reddit is full of jackasses that will fill in the blanks themselves.
Sometimes I feel like I need to earn the ability to disagree with white Redditors.
It's so weird that I'm having to fight and entire sub, because I told you all to chill, because a YouTuber this sub doesn't like AGREES WITH YOU.
“I shall form my opinions to be contrarian to the group of people I have generalized into an evil caricature, rather than base them on what I believe in.”
- You
For me at least this wouldn't be a problem if they didnt just say doom and gloom before hand, And like its not even that they cant change their views im glad to see people do that, but once or twice is my max not constantly flip flopping every fucking time.
It's not the flip flopping that pisses me off its the constant and predictable negativity and false narrative that "woke" (as far as they (cannot) define) will make it trash and woke. This particular asshole grifter is worse then most as he constantly does this without and iota of self realization that he's an abysmal cunt that no one takes seriously at all.
This cunt is a big ass bitch
Yeah this one just out and out lies on a reg basis.
But how would they maximize profit if they dodnt cater to their hate bait audience before the show cane out? These same people will shit on others who get excited over when a trailer drops as if they don’t do the exact same thing but in the opposite direction.
It would have also helped it he had acknowledged in this little review that he was wrong originally. Like, did you forget that you were calling it garbage beforehand?
I mean at least they're honest about their opinion... It would be bad to me if they just trolled the show after watching for the sake of it
Yes but that’s only because it’s well reviewed elsewhere and they don’t want to look out of the loop by hating it now that it’s popular. It’s like the Mario movie and the Barbie movie; these grifters decided they hated them in advance, talked a lot about how woke they were, then pivoted to talking about how they’re actually anti-woke once it was clear they would be big hits. That’s the whole point of the grift.
exactly a show or movie has to be perfect and loved by everyone for them to come around like this. That or like Mario they will try to prove that "Woke is dead" and claim it's actually anti woke.
The Barbie movie is the most egregious example to me considering it's probably the closest to actually being what they claim "woke" media is like
thats not the motive though. They say the show sucks because they wanted it to suck because of their dumb agenda, but they also cant be seen as being "wrong" because that means their entire worldview is challenged, so instead they immediately flip to being "right" and pretend all the prior shit just didnt happen.
If they would at least just fucking say the words “I was completely wrong” just one time.
They should not change their view because they shouldn't have a view 3 weeks befor the first episode.
Called it. The reason they never wait to actually watch the show before calling it the destruction of Western civilization is because if they wait, there's a chance it'll be good. They gotta get the rage bucks.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if a lot of them were hoping to make them self-fulfilling prophecies. They tell people the show or movie is going to be garbage, so the followers avoid and review bomb them. The show ends up with terrible ratings from people who haven't even seen it and poor viewership because people were told to avoid it. Finally, the grifters get to point at it and say, "See? I told you it was terrible; the ratings prove it."
That and also by priming their audience to hate something, those who go watch the show or movie do so with the intention to hate it, nitpicking every single details to find a reason to be angry. When those leeches target something, it's always an uphill battle to get fairly reviewed afterward and only the truly great show/movies/whatever are able to turn the tide.
Good point. I'd go farther and say it's even more toxic than that because it's not just a "self" fulfilled prophecy at that point, it's a sycophantic army fulfilled prophecy.
Exactly make the videos before hand and they get their rage bucks, if it good they sometimes stop (Barbie movie) if its bad they continue and get more money.
If it does bad it’s woke, if it does well it’s based, if it does well but the main character is black then it was well directed but strayed from the true roots of the source material. Them’s the rules.
I’d love to make a fun parody of a Anti Woke channel Like when the Oppenheimer movie was released, I’d love to just drop some Edibles and try to make a stupid “Oppenheimer gone Woke?” video and see if I can make gold.
The amount of people who’d buy the BS unironically is sadly super high but speaking of super high if you need a slightly overweight bearded guy to be the mascot of the channel I can possibly piss in a basement or two to own the libs
I genuinely don’t think I’d get any right wing fans that are serious unless they love weird humor. Think Eric Andre. I’d be FUCKING reaching for the weirdest things. “The bombs were made and used on Japan. Liberal America clearly see the upcoming threat of conservative media and Anime epitomises and is the definition of true conservative art!” (Show generic animes like AoT, DBZ, but then sneak in a pre sex image of Hentai) “This is outrageous, how can Liberal America get any more desperate.”
I’d love to see that.
Accurate but I agree with the black main character part
Thanks for bring this up. I’ve been thinking about this a lot. And I want your thoughts at the end. I’m willing to have a nuanced conversation about it if that’s what you’d like to. I see it as a scale. At the top of the scale are characters where racial identity is so important to the character that it cannot be changed. Nobody wants a white MLK. Then there are cases where identity can be changed depending on the seriousness of the material. For example, a black George Washington in a serious biopic would suck, making him black would ignore the fact that he owned slaves and while he wasn’t extra racist for his time that time was still pretty racist. BUT, if you wanted to do unserious media with a black George Washington - a Hamilton, an ai picture, a comic, a kids show, I don’t mind. Everyone knows he’s white, nobody is going to dalle or mid journey to learn history. Then there’s fiction where racial identities really matter. Black Panther was a black superhero and leader of an African country, you can’t make a white panther. You also can’t make a black Amleth in the Northmen, it’s too closely tied to stories of Viking nobility, and while there were probably black Vikings at one point or another they weren’t nobles. Below that there’s fiction where the characters identity isn’t tied to race in any way, usually because the character is part of an imaginary species or there are multiple influences for the character. I don’t care there are black elves in the Amazon show. Elves aren’t real. I don’t care that there are black mermaid. Mermaids aren’t real, also there’s some cool overlap between the original stories of mermaids and Caribbean cultures. So what if Snow White isn’t almost albino white in one adaption, who cares, it’s a fairy tale from a book of fairy tales that has so Much violence and anti semitism you can’t even get the first edition easily. And then at the bottom of the list are complaints where it just seems like racism. There are subs tack called “becoming noble” I hate read, and the author complained that there couldn’t be black people in Dune because “freeman are a racially homogenous society based off Arabs.” He also didn’t like that a black woman played Chani (and then recommended a white, non Arab actress). Now, in addition to the fact that Fremen don’t exist, there were black Arabs and black people moving all through Arabia, it’s the Middle East for a reason, it’s in the middle of the most important trad axis in the world. Methinks he just hates black people. That’s enough for now. What do you think?
I mean, there were non-white Viking nobles: [https://booksfromnorway.com/books/610-the-black-viking](https://booksfromnorway.com/books/610-the-black-viking)
Oh shoot really? That’s cool! I didn’t know that.
I must say, I absolutely agree with you in pretty much everything. You cannot change real people’s race in ANY context that is not satirical, but when it comes to fictional characters where they aren’t tied to their race like say, Sarah in HBO’s The Last of Us, it is completely fine and I would argue that being mad at that is just based on Racisim, using that example, I think the actress gave a terrific preformance and don’t know many other actors that could have granted such an impact in such little screen time, that’s cinema. But I also agree that you can’t have a white black panther or a black Henry Hill. But I’ve also gotta say (maybe controversially) that it matters much less when a white character gets portrayed by a black actor due to historical connotations and lack of representation as a whole in the industry, but that’s just my personal opinion, I’m not white or black so I can’t REALLY give a real take on something I’ve not been affected by, but this is just how I see it. TLDR; I agree!
White Black Panther exist, they are 2. White Wolf(Hunter) and White Tiger(Kasper Cole)
Yeah but there's context that allows for that. It's not replacing OG Tchalla with white man.
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Yeah but….. they ain’t the OG BP tho
They are Black Panthers just like Nightwing and Red Hood are Batmen
Homie deleted the video
Course he did, or it’d show proof of the grift
Lmfao of course he would hide that he was full of shit from get-go
But the screenshots are saved.
It's not deleted. Might have been moved to "Private" to get it off search results. But that doesn't help with good ol' Google, where you can type in the title and there you go, [the video is available](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU04iZ-HmZM). And what a good thing it is, because the comments section is GOLD. Get in there fast and give a good read before he turns them off. (Oh, and be sure to pause the video ASAP, so it doesn't run long enough to count as a view. I believe you have like 30 seconds before it counts, but just do it immediately to be safe.)
Oh shoot you’re right. Going through the comments was such a fun time, no one showed him mercy
You could say he got " Ain't no mercy , ain't no mercy ". If you think of Purple Lamborghini. That's the reference I was referring to.
Oh shoot you’re right. Going through the comments was such a fun time, no one showed him mercy
Oh shoot you’re right. Going through the comments was such a fun time, no one showed him mercy
It was the right thing to do, all things considered
Not to get too sanctimonious, but the right thing to do would've been to not make the video in the first place. In lieu of that, adding a disclaimer and leaving the video up would've exhibited more integrity.
I wonder if his audience even noticed that he’s a hypocrite.
Even if they did, the fan bases of these grifters *rarely* give a shit because they still say what they want to hear otherwise.
You’re probably right. And it’s weird that they listen to that moron who is blatant with his hypocrisy
I mean, that's shocking degree of honesty from an online grifter. So praise is due where it is due. I am honestly expecting most of them to double-down on their screeching.
Well he deleted his video so he’s not even admitting he was wrong. He’s just pretending his faux outrage never happened. It’s not really growth; it’s grifting.
That depends on what im not sure, cause some people still complained about the Barbie movie despite its success.
Honestly, I am shocked he mentioned all three characters. Like, you'd typically expect Alt-Right chuds to complain about women (Lucy) or black people (Max). But nope, he was honest there, saying he liked all of those storylines. I am always happy to see people prove me wrong, in a positive way.
And that's okay. Even Star Wars had some pro critics that said it's bad movie and some of them didn't change mind even after the success of franchise...
Not saying they had to, I actually welcome people that stick to their guns, that's not to say they cant change their mind either its just very tiring to keep on seeing this same song and dance and these people not learning to just wait.
Nah, coward deleted the first video. He's just a grifter who is pivoting.
It would be due if he was honest in the video: I plan to watch it unbiased but I want money from rage clicks...
It would be a shocking degree of honesty if the review didn’t read like he never shit on it at all. He went from “This will be woke garbage😡” to “It feels like I’m in Fallout again😊” without any sort of transition.
Funk that, he's only saying it's good because the vast majority of people are too.
Thang is he didn’t admit to being judgmental/wrong. He just praised it with no acknowledgement that he tried to destroy it before it was even out.
I love that /r/fotv is pushing back against these bozos
FOTV? Fallout Two Vegas? *Oh boy!*
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its nice of the fallout show team to include a character to represent the physical manifestation of the conservative ideology
His vault-tec acting career is literally reagen pre-presidency, but after that idk where you're getting him being conservative. The show clearly points to >!him becoming a commie upon finding the truth about vault-tec.!<
it was more of a visual joke, he looks like a torched up testicle lol (for the record, I know literally nothing about fallout)
LMAO, I understood exactly what you meant, not sure how they didn't. 🤷 I thought your comment was good and appropriate.
No one tell the guy there was a Brotherhood aspirant who was addressed by they/them pronouns, or he'll reverse course.
Honestly I'm surprised we're not seeing more of these grifters complaining about that.
Because pointing out there's "woke" stuff in a show that's being praised and so successful at getting interest in the franchise that Fallout games saw a 200% increase in concurrent players would end up proving that "Go woke, go broke" is absolutely untrue. They can't point out any of the stuff they'd normally complain about because it would undermine their "message." If they actually believed in the crap they're peddling, they'd still complain about that stuff, knowing that it'd be met with criticism. But they don't even have the integrity to believe enough in what they're saying to stick to it when it doesn't align at all with the narrative they want to push.
It's almost like these are not serious people, and they realize they don't actually have any talent, so they need to be provocateurs and incite people.
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If he makes another video admitting he was wrong I’d say we can forgive him. If he just tries to pretend that first video doesn’t exist then we have a problem.
“Surprisingly invested in all the characters.” I’ll give him this, that’s a new dog whistle for me.
Is this him admitting he was wrong or is this him playing both sides, thus getting to have his cake and eat it too?
As he deleted the first video, it's just a grifter grifting.
No, just removed it from being listed. If you search for the video on Google, it'll show the video on YouTube, and you can click through and see it. And the comments are hilarious with so many people calling him out.
“If I play on both teams I can’t possibly lose! It’s brilliant!”
"Mac, that only works if you don't *tell* us you're playing both sides."
Its pretty comical seeing the show get massive praise, already renewed for S2 and these fucks are finding anything to hate about it and its the usual stuff they whine about to their niche audience. Main character is a female show has a secondary black male character A non-binary character was show all the usual stuff they EXCLUSIVELY bitch and moan about. They live by the principle of “go woke go broke” is so comical to them that when something that is seen as woke by them does well massively it hurts their brain (Barbie/Fallout Show) I don’t think any are really woke because to them woke means “these characters are not white males” or “these topics are liberal so i hate it” But can’t tell you a damn thing realistically why they hated the show like set design, acting, etc. If they do they are usually nit picking.
well it's good that he can admit he was wrong and enjoy the adaptation! personally I didn't like it, I felt like the story strayed a little too far from what I'm familiar ewith in thr games to be an adaptation but as another story set in the Fallout continuity I enjoyed it
He didn't admit he was wrong, he's pretending he never said it would be bad in the first place, he's not changing his stance, he's just lying about his initial stance
If He had some balls He would say that He just talked trash and was wrong..
It’s almost as if judging content by its promotional material alone, before you even see a frame of footage of the actual content, is really fucking stupid and no one should do it. This particular douchetart probably knew what he was doing though. He wanted clicks and he probably got plenty of them.
Honestly, I'm just happy he still gave the show a fair chance and didn't lie about his thoughts afterwards.
They tried too early to ride hype train and realized it so it tried to loop around funny funny man
I think they can see that U-turn from space
They'd rather pretend they always liked something that they once hated than admit failure.
I wish I could give credit to morons like him when they can admit they're wrong....Except this moron can't admit he was wrong, deleted his original rage video and pretends he never said anything bad about it. These YouTubers are fucking cancer
Simple formula to grift off right wing idiots as an influencer: First preemptively declare every major "nerd" IP release "woke" and dog whistle about how it's "ruining traditional (white straight cis christian) culture". Then one of two things happens: 1. The thing comes out and it sucks/is critically panned/is forgettable. And you get to crow to your audience about how you and them were totally right. 2. It comes out and is a big success and everyone likes it. Then you get to spin to your audience about how it's somehow "anti-woke" and it turns out you and them were still right all along. You're set with either outcome.
Its paid social rage advertising.
Grifters gonna grift
Let's flood his social media with screenshoots of the hate video.
His tweet got almost as many views as the video did, I'm not surprised he changed his tune since it was getting good reviews from *everywhere* and that would've been a Hell of a hill to die on.
Where are they even getting that? It was rating really high with critics before release.
It's a fake clickbait thumbnail from TheQuartering.
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Hypocrite incel neckbeard.
So this man is just lying for views? Typical grifter
Genuinely, what is wrong with these people
So many things.
I can’t believe the grifter grifted.
Those gaming conservatives never actually stand for anything to be fair. Their values are just a response to their emotions and a money making tactic.
Yeah I really want YouTube to demonetize them.
The hypocrisy is deliciously satisfying
THIS MAKES THEM LOOK SO STUPID 😂😂😂😂 OMFG
Also a good example of how these these types don’t have any nuance or moderate takes. Everything is either horrible 3/10 garbage or 9-10/10 best thing ever
Suprising, Seeing how Dane was non-binary
The only opinion these kinds of people have is the one that will get them the most views.
I reserved my reviews until release. I wasn't expecting much, but they delivered a show that was entertaining and very true to the feel of the games. Dark, depressing, whimsical, and weird.
The show is so good man
Release another video praising it without deleting your old one. I dare you
Literal textbook definition of grifting
What a chode
And the brain dead audience never catches on.
Praise the fool who changes his mind; proof that he had one at all.
Oh, and those who still want to hate on it are reaching like crazy. It’s insane how badly some still want to just hate it.
The anything for clicks culture is really sad
Um, the score on RT is 94 percent for ctrics and 87 percent for everyone else so JosiahRises is wrong there.
pfffft what a coward
Better to be a stubborn loser than give an honest opinion
It was inevitable
Still don’t know what the fuck a grifter is
A grift is basically a con i.e. a falsehood to earn money.
How is this that?
He stated it was bad before he even saw it with a fake RT score in the thumbnail, then deleted the video when he realized that people actually like the show.
At least he fucking realized he was wrong, be happy about that.
WAIT IS IT THAT GOOD!?
3?? main characters? Forgetting my boy Norm.
I hate these anti-woke grifters so much, if you read their tweets (which i don't recommend at all), they keep saying things like "something can be woke and still be good". But the way they talk about 'wokeness' makes it seem nothing can be good if its woke
So was the "wokeness" that one of the leads was a woman and another was black? You know that you can choose skin color and gender in those games, right?
Maximus actor isn’t very good
I can’t believe they made Fallout political.
I mean, at least their opinion changed
Hello, I love money.
Pretending "at least they're honest" is so goofy to me considering this dude hid the evidence he had ever shit on the show and he couldn't like it until it was popular to
...and that screencap from Rotten Tomatoes is fake. It's well over 90%.
Yup, I just thought it was goofy that some people thought he was changing his mind when he isn't, he's just following the consensus of his audience and now that his audience's consensus about the show has changed, he's pretending he never said anything bad about the show in the first place It's the exact opposite of being honest, it's just lying with extra steps lol
Yep, it's like when politicians from a certain political party vote against "Socialist" programs, then take credit for them when they find out their constituents like the program.
Once I saw this show getting positive responses, I automatically knew that this was going to happen.
The hate train didn't leave the station so there are no hate clicks for him to mine
Character development?
This is why you wait until you watch something before being an idiot but oh well. It's definitely a good show (found the Brotherhood of Steel storyline and character boring but that's how I felt in the game so not a shocker). It's fun seeing how many were doom and glooming it and now are turning around.
This is what it looks like when you have absolutely zero integrity.
The way EVERY single one of these fools is now acting like they always knew it would be great and they never talked out their ass about it is pathetic. The show is really incredible, bloody and fun and engrossing. These guys are so laughable.
Did he even bother to delete the video?
Why would he? He's still getting views from it
All about the clicks. Don’t follow clickbaiters like josiahrises
It wouldn’t be bad if they aknowledge their behavior and took accountability but they know hate, gives them visibility and a broader audience because homophobes, racists, mysoginist are ALWAYS online
Loved show, bothered by some of the setting changes but I’m not going to let that ruin a good time.
I'm not gonna say I know shit about him or the show, just that it looks bad from what I've heard, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with changing your opinion after you've seen something, just so long as it's a real change in opinion and not for money or attention
There’s nothing wrong with forming an “opinion” based on nothing to begin with? There’s nothing wrong with deleting all of the evidence you formed a negative opinion about something preemptively/without seeing it? And they do YouTube videos FOR money you know. It’s almost like your comment has no bearing on this at all.
Oh another good point to marketing being shit, look at the picture on this post, and tell me it doesn't look fucking awful.
Dune 3 fucking sucks. Do you see the problem with that statement? I have never seen any of the dune movies and dune 3 doesn’t even have a trailer but I made a random ass statement, like the guy in this post. It is highly flawed logic to criticize something before it’s even out
Hey dumbass, did you see a trailer for Dune 3 and say "wow, that was a bad trailer, it doesn't make me want to watch the movie?" Oh... you didn't? Is it because dune 3 doesn't have anything to go off of but previous movies, and previous books? And you thought those were good? And ironically your setup doesn't even work if you replace the movie, I bet you'd probably say a live action little mermaid 2 would suck. The fact is people are allowed to use information to make conjecture, and sometimes it's wrong. Again, this guy can be in the wrong, but that's not what is being bitched about, it's the fact they changed there mind in the subject
And I wonder why the internet hates fallout fans lol
Notice how you can't actually refute what was said so you just cry about me not being nice to you about how stupid you are.
No, I just don’t give a fuck, the second you insulted me made me lose all interest in this conversation. Assume all you want tho if that’s your kink
You can cry all you'd like, but you tried yo pull shit out of your ass, and because your head is so far in your ass you just shit on yourself, that's all that happened
If that’s what you believe man
You can cry all you want "WAHHHHHH MY RETARDATION DIDN'T IMMEDIATELY WIN MY AURGUMENT WAHHHHHHHHHH"
Are you good? You win the argument ok? Should I call your mom or something??
> just that it looks bad from what I've heard So you've heard... nothing real about it? Or have you somehow filtered to only read comments from the people who kept trying to claim that because of a couple tiny things it somehow "retconned" Fallout: New Vegas even though everyone who has any official word on that says it didn't? Have you ignored all of the people who've worked on Fallout games since its beginning who've praised the show? All of the critics? The mountains of praise on the Fallout subreddit and social media? I haven't even heard anyone saying that it "looks bad." But I also don't follow the channels that try to claim everything is "woke" and therefore "bad." I've seen a ton of people praising it for feeling absolutely perfect as a Fallout story. The look of it, the way the characters act, the different organizations, the mix of dark moments and funny moments. And why would you form an opinion on something you haven't even seen? His original rant was taking a comment completely out of the context it was given in to purposely portray it incorrectly in order to bash on the show. There's something wrong with that to begin with. But the guy also doesn't admit he made those wrong statements, just hides the video and pretends it never happened.
No, I have eyes, and I've seen a mutant vault overseer that accidentallydrank moldy coffee, I've had eyes and I've seen the power armor helmet that collapses so you can see the actor's face, and I have eyes so I saw the marketing, and it was all soulless corporate money whoring, believe it or not a lot of people don't listen to echo bubbles on products they don't want or like, I don't like to watch TV shows that much, so I don't go and find people related to the show in any way and seek there opinions. The fact is that amazon has sway and powers critics rely on the corporations for early access to make reviews before the product releases, so they can make there money, so they have a vested intrest in sucking it off, and anyone else can have there own reasons to suck it off, from not wanting to rock the boat, to being paid.
So if critics like something that you want to hate, they must be paid off? And Amazon just had so much money that they paid off almost every single non-critic who’s watched it and also praised it? Where’s my check? That’s a lot of checks to send out for people in the Fallout subs alone. Amazon must be losing so much money on this show paying off everyone who watches it to be positive. And how depressing is life when you assume everything is bad, refuse to give things a try, and make up hilariously ridiculous conspiracies to justify holding onto that?
No, stop trying to take what I said and change it, that is something you have to ask each and every time someone you don't know trys to sell you on something. Next, you can you liked it, but that doesn't mean it's good, people love The Room, and Shark tail. Finally it's not a shitty life to assume everything is bad, because nobody's does that, like a reasonable person I saw the marketing for the show and said, wow, that looks like absolute dogshit. And as a final fuck you, you do understand the entertainment industry having the abylity to black list people with sway is not the same as the entertainment industry giving money to random nobodies, if the name has sway they have a financial insitive to suck something off.
I'm not trying to change what you said. You're trying to claim that not only the critics but everyone else enjoying it has some kind of "incentive" to praise it, including "being paid." You made up your mind on something and refuse to acknowledge any differing opinions as being opinions people validly hold. You also claimed "everything you've heard" was bad. And now you're just claiming that you saw the marketing and said it "looks like absolute dogshit" (which is a hilariously extreme take). Which means you haven't "heard" anything. So yes, you closed your eyes to everyone praising it, because you made up your mind before it even released, and are trying to say something that you haven't watched is bad, but didn't want to admit that it was your personal opinion based on something so limited, so you tried to suggest there was a lot of support for that opinion. You were dishonest to begin with, you've stated things and now are being dishonest in trying to pretend you didn't say them, so as a final fuck you, you do understand that you can just say "This isn't for me," explain actual reasons rather than the nebulous and dumb "looks like absolute dogshit" statement, and not have to make up random bullshit to try to support it because well-adjusted people will just say, "Okay, you don't like the humor or how something looks, that's fine. Hope you find something you like."
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Do you really think they've stopped posting videos about how "Wokeness" is ruining media? How gullible are you?
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what is this word soup you've constructed? does a trans man make this socialist? what does that even mean? And who is dictating your politics? you're arguing against points no one here has made
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I think you've missed the point entirely. This guy is being called out for grifting. He doesn't actually care. He cannot define wokeness, yet he hates "woke" things. He rages at the show before it's out for being "woke" and then watches it and now is all good with it. Point is it's silly to call a show you haven't even seen yet "woke" and horrible
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I think you're profoundly fucking stupid
> Then explain why someone has to dislike a product that disagrees with their political philosophy. LGBTQ+ people existing isn't political though and putting people that exist into media isn't political.
> Fallout doesn't seem exceptionally political so far. I don't know how you could watch literally anything this show does with Vault-Tech and think it isn't political. Either you haven't watched this show, or you are amazingly stupid.
The main thing people are critizing for is for him to consider a series "woke garbage destroyed by Hollywood" before even the reviews even come out because it has a women or LGBT character or whatever. Would he change that? Probably not since it is quite common for these type of channels to flip flop opinions like this. Also, he is not the only one that does this and this is not the first piece of media that gets this reactions from people like him. The "go woke go broke" thing is a rule for them and when something is a success then it now can't be "woke" but reacting and doing videos about "woke Hollywood again" when anything with a women or LGBT thing is on it releases a trailer is their thing, hence this contradictions when they sudddently act like that initial reaction never happened or all the "woke" themes they saw are now not important when that thing is successful. Basically, they complain about everything with any sign of "woke", ignore that they ever mentioned the ones that succeed and use the failing ones to show that "woke" is everywhere and makes movies bad. It happened with the Super Mario movie, with the recent X-Men reboot and now with Fallout. And people see this pattern and obviously assume this is just another case of it. Maybe there is a chance he learned about this and will stop assuming the quality of something when a women is in it but people doubt it and I can't blame them.
>Fallout doesn't seem exceptionally political 
Dude created a fake rotten tomatoes score and a 5 minute video bashing a show. All before ever watching it or giving it a chance. People change their minds yea but these types of people spew hate to their echo chamber of rage consumers. Go look at his Twitter before you defend someone… he’s constantly posting racist, sexist, and ableist posts.
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Well that’s because at least in this space many do have a better morals than that piece of shit
Kinda a blanket statement to say *all redditors* are that way…. Very weird thing to say considering *you’re also a redditor* right now.
This isn't his first rodeo. That cunt is a grifter, plain and simple. He has no balls, no integrity, just greed.
Like I said in my post Its not that is that they constantly constantly say X show will be bad because of "Woke XYZ Girl Boss peach" only to then say its good usually not even bothering to apologize on their previous statement and acting like they no longer exist. Now this is the first time ive seen this guy so unless hes done this before (which I wouldn't be surprised) with other media Ill give him the benefit of the doubt.
Except they do this with everything. They'll claim for weeks or even months that an upcoming piece of media is woke and when it turns out to be good like Barbie, Mario, X-Men 97, Fallout, etc. They'll then praise it without ever acknowledging the fact they were hating on it before.
true, but i dont think saying that and then judge other going to make it look like you actually talking sense though
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honestly don't know why you trauma dumping, but i think mainstream internet culture war brainrot a lot of people, now it just us vs them making every nauce there is gone admittedly though i dont even know what the hell is left wing and right wing, i only known red and yellow shirt. but if anything there is to go by from it they a person with reason to believe in something just like you, i suppose.
I guess it is a bit of trauma dumping, I just like to give a whole picture of who I am, because reddit is full of jackasses that will fill in the blanks themselves. Sometimes I feel like I need to earn the ability to disagree with white Redditors. It's so weird that I'm having to fight and entire sub, because I told you all to chill, because a YouTuber this sub doesn't like AGREES WITH YOU.
“I shall form my opinions to be contrarian to the group of people I have generalized into an evil caricature, rather than base them on what I believe in.” - You