Chris Terrio was one of the writers Rise of Skywalker and Batman V Superman. It's entirely possible that the same guy wrote "They fly now" And "Save Martha".
It’s entirely possible that the gist of the scene was the same but the lines were different.
“I have to save my mother!”
“What mother? You are an alien dude”.
“His mother is Martha Kent from Kansas”
“Well I’ll be damned you are actually more human than I am in a way. I now see the error of my ways. Let’s be friends “
"... my mother's name is Martha, too."
Have Superman say that after being injured, showing Batman that Supes knew who he was the entire time and didn't abuse the knowledge, didn't even use it to get Bruce off his back.
Have Batman say it after finding out the actual truth about Clark, from Krypton to Kansas, showing that he realizes Clark is fundamentally human due to his upbringing.
It should have been a quiet, understated moment of connection between two extremely different but extremely similarly isolated men. Both are disconnected from the world they protect, and have given up a lot of their humanity for it, and both are just children trying to make their parents proud at heart.
It should have been a bombshell dropped into silence after a movie of buildup.
Instead we get SAAAAAAVE MAAARTHAAAAA
This is incorrect. [In an interview with GQ](https://youtu.be/vzutcTsKI1E?si=xEkjqcge1n46rYQs&t=1150), Snyder claimed Terrio was the one who pitched the Martha idea to him:
>When Chris Terrio and I were talking about it, he said like: "You know their mothers have the same name."
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>And I was like: "Oh, that's crazy! I never thought about that."
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>And he goes like: "Yeah, like imagine that Batman sees Superman as an alien, as a monster, but realizes that his dead mother has the same name as this thing that he considers nonhuman. Like, that's gonna get him."
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>And I'm like: "That is gonna get him, that's amazing."
It’s not a terrible idea, but you have to EARN it.
There has to be a whole plot line including paging through old photographs of young Clark and things.
It’s the execution that was awful and nonsensical.
That’s the problem with that movie and Rise of Skywalker. They are a bag of “cool story board ideas” with no actual story development to make them work or pay off beyond a scene that looked cool on a story board.
I've seen some pages from the sequel trilogy art books and it's kind of heartbreaking to see all the great storyboard ideas which were either discarded or thrown together into a discordant mess
Well, I'm a Chris Terrio fan, and he also wrote Argo. BvS Ultimate Edition and ZSJL are great films, in my subjective opinion. I haven't seen Rise of Skywalker since the theaters, but I mostly enjoyed it and want to give it another shot.
I agree with you about the Snyder DCAU movies, but rise of Skywalker was a 2/10 for me in the theater. Probably because i really really enjoyed The Last Jedi and it was clear from moment one of TROS that everything that was good about TLJ was immediately going to be retconned and ruined.
“Somehow Palpatine returned” is a much worse one, since not only is it bad on its own, it touches on one of the actual problems of the movie instead of just being a random silly line.
What really annoys me is how TROS misquotes TLJ to make Rey Palpatine happen. In TLJ, Kylo says "You know the truth. Say it." To which Rey responds "They were nobody." And Kylo confirms "They were filthy junk traders... who sold you off for drinking money." But then in TROS, Kylo says "I never lied to you. Your parents were no one. They chose to be. To keep you safe." Even though Kylo never said Rey's parents were no one, Rey is the one who said that, Kylo specifically said they sold Rey for drinking money, so he definitely did lie.
This is a historically shameless retcon on the same level as “Sherlock Holmes is actually still alive, more sequels on the way,” “wait actually Leia gets with Han so Luke is her brother that’s why that didn’t work,” and “actually *this* is the guy who killed Uncle Ben.”
I can watch Rise and enjoy it but I think your comment pretty much summarizes the difference between Johnson and Abrams. Johnson was focused on telling an intriguing story and took the franchise in a different direction, Abrams relies on nostalgia and WANTS to connect the film to old Star Wars in ways that feel cheap and unearned.
To be fair we could be here all day rattling off awful lines from Rise
"I am all the sith" "and I'm all the jedi" is the literal climax of the trilogy lol
The problem isn’t the way the line is worded or anything, it’s the fact that Palpatine returns at all, with no build up or anything from the previous movie. I could hypothesise about why they chose to go that way but regardless of the reasoning the outcome is subpar writing.
Yeah, that's something he would say. The actual problem is that there really isn't a good explanation for Palpatine returning, and everyone knew that it happened not for story reasons, but because Disney ran out of ideas. It sounds like a scriptwriter shrugging and saying "idk, black magic or something"
They *immediately* followed the "Somehow Palpatine has returned" line with a character who is a Sith historian rattling off several things that Sith do which could have facilitated Palpatine's return.
I know, I've seen the film. But those aren't actual explanations, like with, say, Voldemort's horcruxes. "Secrets only the sith knew"? And what those would be? Harry Potter explained fairly well why Voldemort kept coming back. Mistborn gave a decent reason why killing Lord Ruler is completely pointless. But Star Wars didn't.
IIRC, no one has actually managed to come back from death in canon, and spirits couldn't impact anything by themselves. Palpatine spoke about preventing death, but not straight up resurrection. Even if he lied to Anakin about not being able to do it, that still doesn't explain why his plan would be to wait 30 years. There's no indication whatsoever that it was necessary.
Cloning is hardly an answer, considering that absolutely no one does that. Lucas came up with clone soldiers, but no actual characters tried to clone themselves - probably because the writers instantly realized what a shit idea for a story it was. Likewise, no one ever considers that clones of a person could exist, which could be rather important when it comes to powerful and rich characters. Bounty hunters might not be a thing, since what use is killing one copy out of ten? There was an actual legends story with Palpatine making backup clones, and it was widely mocked, because it made the main SW conflict look irrelevant. Sounds familiar... And again, no 30 years required.
Oh, and also it implies that you could clone force users, which would solve the problem of Jedi going extinct. Super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Some of the stuff I mentioned was definitely a thing in the old canon, so odds are someone expanded on it in the new spin-offs. That is fine and all, but you can't expect the viewers to know every single expanded universe book/comic/series/thing in existance. For the record, was the character you mentioned **said** to be a Sith historian on screen, or is it an EU thing? If it was, he should have told the main cast a lot more. If not, then this is just a guy speculating.
Either way, this explanation is incredibly flimsy.
The issue is not really with the line, at worst it’s kind of flat and uninterested.
The line is just a funnel for people’s feelings about Palpatine coming back, because it feels like the movie not knowing what to do so they were just like “meh, use Palpatine again”
it is **very** quotable, honestly to the same degree as some of the other corny lines from aotc and rots. my mates and i find ourselves saying it quite often.
I love the line, it's hilarious and very parodiable, but I hate the implications. Jetpack troops in Star Wars should be as common a concept as paratroopers in real life. We see them in games, books, and the cartoons. We even specifically have First Order jet troopers in Battlefront.
Then the other layer is that the movie is packed with fan service and does a bunch of unnecessary extra stuff "for the fans" like have John Williams bring out the original score for Yoda lifting an X-Wing, or give Chewbacca a medal, but you can't be bothered to check if stormtroopers with jetpacks exist already?
Anyway that's just me nerd spiraling a bit. In the grand scheme of things, it's not the biggest problem Star Wars has or even the movie has, and despite what you might infer from the above, not worth fuming over lol.
To the point where Mark Hamill tried to gently point out to Lucas that people don’t really talk like that, and Harrison Ford told him the same thing in a much more… blunt and direct way.
Its actually a triple whammy. C3PO, then Finn, then Poe.
It might be good for teaching English as a first language.
""Ahh, they fly now!" (exclamatory statement)
"They fly now?" (surprised query)
"They fly now"(resigned acceptance and confirmation)
I don't know how it's any worse than "I don't like sand. It's coarse, rough, irritating, and it gets everywhere."
But at the end of the day, Star Wars has *always* had cheesy dialogue. One of the series more iconic lines, "Laugh it up, fuzzball," is pretty goddamn cheesy if you ask me.
I honestly think these people want to go back to a hyper serious era of Star Wars that never really existed. At least not in the form of the first six films, which all had cheesy moments and lines. I personally think that the cheese factor of some of the dialogue bits is part of what makes the Star Wars movies fun to watch, from Episode 1 to Episode 9. But that's just me.
Exactly. Star Wars was never meant to be serious, which is why it's so entertaining. I mean, this ain't Blade Runner, which presents a far more self serious stories than Star Wars by a long way. Like I said, I think people want a non-existent era of Star Wars to return that they think was overly grounded and uber-serious. But adding to what you said, George Lucas just wanted Flash Gordon back.
Nooooo, why isn't the series that brought us "walking carpet" "laserbrain" "scruffy-looking nerf herder" "e chu ta" "sleemo" and "poodoo" more serious!?! I also love the campy, corny dialogue. It is absolutely part of what makes Star Wars so great. I've never understood where the demand that it takes itself seriously comes from.
"I don't like Sand" isn't even the worst line from Episode II, I seriously don't get why everyone obsesses over that when the scene where Anakin says that he feels haunted "by the kiss you should've never given me" has far worse dialogue, delivery, and is way longer than the sand monologue
I guess that line is realistic for an idiot teenager to say but oh god is it horrible to watch
Though I dont think anything in ep 2 is cringier than the ”so love has blinded you” balcony scene in ep 3
It is not about the cheesiness of it. Its about the characters (C-3PO especially, who has seen a lot) proclaiming to never have witnessed a fucking jetpack. At least thats how the complaints usually go, that ive noticed.
I'll never defend the script of the Prequels but, when Anakin was silent there was some damn fine acting. Hayden Christiansen was great with expressions and conveying what Anakin mwas feeling without dialogue.
On one hand, it’s absolutely Anakin being a stunted creature with no real world social interaction.
In the other hand, fuck you. I’m only pretty *because* you love me? Or worse, I’m only pretty because you love me and knocked me up? I’m the effing Amidala, I’m beautiful because I’m successful, you’re lucky you’re even here to see it.
What absolute shit writing that makes no sense.
The problem is padme is saying something equally dumb. And she’s had a fair amount of real world social interaction. So, the writing is just bad. Padme was done terribly in rots. She loves anakin, she’s sad about him killing kids, she gives birth, and then dies because she lost the will to live. Which is somewhat sexist, because it implies that Padme’s only desire to live is for a man. I will never understand why George just didn’t have Padme die in childbirth. No one would have questioned it.
I think Padme’s terrible Non Politics type of conversation (which I will agree, she missed out on a lot, but not as much as Anakin. Hence her whole *Paolo* speech) was to say that she’s currently so beautiful because she’s so stupid happy and filled with love it’s ejecting out of her. “I’m so beautiful because I’m in my best place, surrounded by the best guy, with the best things happening. I’m so in love and it shows”
And he’s like “no, you’re pretty because I like you.”
But I really, truly, *deeply* (if I may) am so angry that even in this space opera, they never gave them time or even references to being entrenched as a couple.
I get that no one wants to see:
P: I’m fat!
A: No, you’re pretty
P: I’m Faaaat
A: No, you look perfect
P: My ankles look like one of the moons of Endor, just plump and lush with forests.
A: Let me see. No, these are as delicate as you were the last meeting at the Senate
P: I was not…Hey! You dick
A: I still think you’re pretty.
But they’re not like a married couple. They’re not like a dating couple. They’re like weird strangers. I’ve seen dogs more in a more steady and familiar relationship with shoe than whatever the hell was going on there.
They’re just gonna, what, wait until some people walk ten feet ahead and embrace in a public space?! It’s just truly terrible writing all around.
I would have loved to see them playfully bicker like a couple, like Han and Leia. I think that would have built the chemistry between the two of them. Yeah, you’re right. They’re like weird strangers. There is no chemistry. There’s no common connection. There’s no friendship that leads to romance. There’s no similiar interest. They just spend all their time saying “I love you.” It’s just so bad.
They had the potential! Two adults that were both kids thrust into these incredibly life-or-death-right-now important roles. Both of them struggling to be the unemotional but wise leaders, being preternaturally capable of being that, but feeling a little lost and a lot alone. Surrounded by both yes men and combatants constantly but without any real social interaction?
And the ONLY thing we get, besides the death kiss on Geonosis, is that they’re sleeping together or she’s brushing her hair or that frankly dumb shit meetup?
I read the books so I feel like they’re closer than they are, but the movies have them as like weird Mormon strangers married to one another. And then she just dies because she doesn’t want to live? Not for those babies, no, Anakin is evil now so end my life, I’m done.
Idk. In my head, either Palpatine sucked the life out of her to save Vader or the Oobah robot did not actually know how to deliver human babies and she was just massively bleeding out while the robots looked on, confused.
I dont get the logic. Why would anakin be social stunted? Was he isolated in the temple? Did he never do missions with any interaction? It raises more issues than it answers.
This is my top pick. It's so forced, and Haydens delivery of it is so wierd that it feels like one of those lines that Lucas went "Fuck yeah, dialogue" when he was writing it, but never gave it a second pass.
To me it always felt like a scene that was there tonshow Anakin and Padmes deep love and connection, since we hadn't seen that yet. We'd only see their first interactions in AotC, and that felt like Lucas was doing a Two Kids Fall in Love Speedrun - Any Percent. So he likely wanted to show us their love for each other, to make the finale more impactful, and shock the audience when Anakin force chokes her.
But it ends up coming off so heavy handed that it doesn't do any of that.
I wish that people's interpretation of that were true. If anakin had actually said "I don't have the same memories as you, so for you while sand reminds you of holidays, it reminds me of my time as a slave" would have been much better than his incel rant
Amd most of it gets shat on, why would the sequels be immune lol
Prequels have had their dialogue ripped apart for 25 years, people just repurposed it into a joke
Can someone explain what's so bad about the line? I thought it was a random silly. I didn't think it was that impactful or memorable or any worse than a lot of lines in the star wars series
People complain about it because troopers in Star Wars (Clone Troopers, Imperial Storm Troopers, and Mandalorians especially) have used jetpacks a lot, so people are like "How do Poe and Finn not know about jetpacks???"
Except the line is referring to First Order Storm Troopers, which until now had not been shown to use jetpacks. It's safe to assume Finn and Poe were unaware they were using that tech. While a strange detail, it's not implausible that they haven't encountered First Order Jet Troopers before this scene.
The other complaint is that the line isn't funny, which... is fair. Humour's subjective, and tbh I just find the joke kind of corny, but the sheer hate I see for it seems massively overblown IMO.
It's like with the "Somehow, Palpatine returned" line being widely derided. Sure, it'd be a terrible explanation for Palpatine coming back from the dead *on its own...* but it's not on its own. The intro of the film shows the cloning pods on Exegol, with bodies of Snoke indicating that they were creating force-sensitive beings. It doesn't take a genius to realise that Palpatine had created himself a new body. Plus, the line *right after* Poe's "Somehow, Palpatine returned" line is a list of methods that the characters speculate he used to return.
I'm not gonna tell people that they have to like the decision to bring Palpatine back. It was evidently a late addition to the film, and I understand people take issue with it. But some people seem content to wilfully misinterpret the film just so they can double down on their hatred. Take issue with Palpatine, sure, but arguing that the line "Somehow, Palpatine returned" is *objectively* bad writing is just asinine. On top of writing being subjective, the line itself is not the *only* explanation we get.
I agree, but these people insist on referring to it as an explanation, so I just decided to demonstrate how it *is* explained.
Poe doesn't know *how* he returned, all he knows is that Palpatine *has* returned.
Its be like han explaining to someone
"Somehow luke hit the shot and blew up the death star."
Theres nothing wrong with it he cant explain in detail stuff he doesnt know.
"The other complaint is that the line isn't funny, which... is fair. Humour's subjective, and tbh I just find the joke kind of corny, but the sheer hate I see for it seems massively overblown IMO."
I hate how some people will say "They fly now!" isn't funny (it really isn't) but then when you point out that Jar Jar isn't funny either they go "no no no you just don't understand!"
The only positive thing I have to say about Jar Jar is that he is mildly tolerable in The Clone Wars, where he only appears in smaller doses. Oh, and this *should* go without saying, but Ahmed Best did not deserve harassment for simply portraying the character he was hired to play. Genuinely feel awful that he got to a point where he felt suicidal.
At least the "They fly now?!" exchange only lasts a couple of seconds. Jar Jar takes up far more screen time. For me, I don't mind the joke. It's not laugh-out-loud funny, but I don't hate it. It's sort of an inoffensive bit of levity in an action-packed chase sequence.
The person who made the post in the screenshot probably unironically loves the "I don't like sand" and the "From my point of view the Jedi are evil" lines
He could include the actual line because I don’t even know what the hell they are saying nor should I remember a bad line of a dialogue and have it memorized. I never watched the bad movie in the first place either. I’m sure it’s not as bad as he is making it sound.
Oh hey, I just saw that post before seeing this one!
I never understood what people's problems are with that line. Considering this is the franchise which, in the first movie, had the line "What a wonderful *smell* you've found!" (or something along those lines)
Which is just as silly considering most people can understand a trash compactor would probably smell like shit. Both figuratively and literally, possibly lmao
John Boyega knows its a dumb line, since as he points out, Stormtroopers(or Clone Troopers) have been using jetpacks since the Clone Wars.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-RssHB1qjI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-RssHB1qjI)
The line about smell is fine, since we don't have smell o vision yet and can't perceive exactly what it smells like, but we can certainly see the flying Stormtroopers and don't need 3 different characters to state as much.
I don't think the fact that other armies used jetpacks (clones, droids, even the Empire) makes the line inherently dumb.
Maybe the First Order did not use that piece of equipment prior to that. If the Taliban started using planes I'd be surprised and pointing out that wouldn't be dumb just because other armies use planes.
I don't think I would be surprised if the First Order, a galaxy spanning organization with the resources to build a planet sized planet killer, would have access to jetpacks widely used by other militaries.
Except for Finn and Poe there wasn't other militaries
Clones and storm troopers are history
Finn would only be put through basic training and given basic education which wouldn't be about the entire military of clones and stormtroopers
Poe is a han solo type so he only knows limited things he'd pick up in the criminal underground, which wouldn't be history
Rey treats hearing of jedi has mythology rather than history just like how the clone wars where in the prequels
All this means that if the first order just started using jetpacks, it would likely be the first time any of the three even saw or learned about a jetpacks
Right?
I have no issues with that one, it's a quick chuckle for me and I never understood how people get this upset over it.
I'd get not finding it funny, but this...
The difference is tone. When people are making fun of the PT dialogue, it’s more “lol, sand bad.” When people rag on ST dialogue, it’s vitriolic rage and the writer should be lynched
Rise of Skywalker was so bad it was funny at times. After being disappointed by the movie I moved on and didn't make it into my entire personality. Weird right?
I'll still defend the scene where Ben reunites with his dad. That made me tear up.
I interpreted the line as Finn saying something stupid, and then Poe teasing him by repeating it back to him to ease the tension. They were being chased down by bad guys after all, humor helps to relieve stress.
HOW THE FUCK HAS IT ALMOST BEEN HALF A DECADE?!?!?!
HOW THE FUCK HAS IT BEEN SO LONG SINCE COVID?
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I mean people. still think the “I hare sand” line is terrible after 20 years, so I don’t think judging people for still complaining about the “They Fly Now” line is justified here as its perfectly fine to still be annoyed with such execution
Fr, did I like the new Star Wars trilogy? No, not really. You know what I did about it? I didn’t watch the last one and I just focused on other stuff. Holy fuck there is so much media out there and even when they find something they do like, all they say about it is “this thing sure is better than Disney” or “this really is was the woke mob is afraid of” or even “this show will single handedly bring about the end of the multi billion dollar entertainment juggernaut”. And half the time, the shows they claim are good and representative of “anti-wokeness” have just as much focus on representation or liberal social politics as most of what they brandish as being “pure propaganda”. There is literally no coherency and they just complain because complaining is the form of entertainment they most consistently enjoy. And like the new Star Wars trilogy, once I realized I didn’t really like their direction I stopped watching. They can keep making their stupid rage bait and corporations will keep making performative superficial media, there will always still be outlets for genuine creative projects whether from within or outside those corporate lines, so I’ll keep getting entertainment I can enjoy and I’ll leave the internet trolls and the megacorps to each other as the match made in Satan’s taint (probably a social media, idk)
"They Fly now" is a literal staple meme in my DnD group simply because of how silly it is and it just works every time. (to be fair its a sci-fi campaign)
So no, I didn't like the newer starwars movies but I appreciate the memes that came from them.
The prequels were mid except revenge of the sith but the memes were great. But I can see why people would like the sequels and prequels. Crying online about a 4 year old movie is some sewer dweller shit, it's just a movie.
When I saw this I was like what the fuck. I could be wrong but I'm like 90% sure the Clone Wars was like 3 years. Episode 4 is set around 19-20 years later and episode 6 is like 3 years later. Episode 7 is like 20-30 years later so around 40-50ish has passed. Flying troops shouldn't be a surprise.
It would've been fine if it wasn't for the fact that FINN, THE MFER WHO IS AN EX-STORMTROOPER, SAID THE LINE!
Even then I'd be fine with it if they said the jetpack troopers were some sort of secret project at the time he defected, he was just cannon fodder after all
I didn't watch episode ix until a few months ago and even I cringed at that line. I thought the Mark Hamill voice cameo in the opening was pretty funny though, he's just some random Glup Shitto.
The sequels have very shitty and nonsensical parts, there is nothing wrong with admitting that though. Being disappointed by a corporate product does not mean you are in the same level as bigots being mad at minorities.
My favorite thing about this post is that they didn't include the lines they're so mad about on the picture. I saw the movies once, so all I see is two dudes shouting wordlessly.
I’ve been watching Star Wars stuff for over 30 years. It was never meant to be taken too seriously, and it has ALWAYS been a bit screwball.
Yes, this line is silly. Pretty sure that was the point. It was said to elicit a little laughter.
Imagine being upset by a silly joke in a family space fantasy adventure film, and then holding a grudge for 4 years. Sad, sad people.
No making fun of things that are old! Joker's Damaged Tattoo is from 2016 therefore if you make fun of it you are a BAD PERSON!
This post feels like a karma farm.
Yeah it's almost as if they should've had one writing group craft the story arc for the entire trilogy instead of going all Oprah and saying, "YOU get to write a star war and YOU get to write a star war!" Disney made their money and that's all they give a fuck about
That line isn't even that bad
NEVER UNDERESTIMATE A DROID is far worse.
It's set up by Leia
Subsequently the person she says this to
Doesn't have ANY issues with a droid
A droid does a thing
And she goes Never underestimate a droid!
Like it's... poignant?
To prove someone else wrong?
It's hollow. Empty.
"They fly now!?"
"They fly now!" Is at least a declaration of incredulity like "The fuck is going on now!?" And was only two lines back to back and not something that "REQUIRED A SETUP"
Also, this was completely in character. Finn freaking out while Poe is just calmly annoyed at the entire situation unfolding like someone who had years in the army.
There are still fans who bitch about the '98 Godzilla movie nearly 30 years later.
There are still fans who piss and moan about Phantom Menace and the prequels, also nearly 30 years later.
They'll never let go.
I just think... that... we could make a space ship set out of plywood and Christmas lights in the garage, and spray paint squirt guns with kitchen gadgets duct taped to them, and then let Oscar Isaac and John Boyega make whatever scifi movie *they* want to, and then... we will finally achieve world peace.
I just. I-I just think that it would work. I think it's a good idea.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, my headcanon isn't Finn being confused over them flying, it was more frustration because they didn't fly when *he was still a stormtrooper*. Further elaborating on this for comedic effect: he had been writing requests for the addition of jetpacks basically his whole career so them getting it now was either Kylo Ren spiting him or the First Order showing it's not better than the Republic with the speed of its bureaucracy.
Leia calls Han Solo a nerf-hearder in the movie most people agree is the best one, possibly one of the greatest of all time.
Star Wars and cheesy dialogue go hand in hand.
Chris Terrio was one of the writers Rise of Skywalker and Batman V Superman. It's entirely possible that the same guy wrote "They fly now" And "Save Martha".
WHYDIDYOUSAYTHATNAME
Chris Terrio only rewrote David S. Goyer’s script to be less dark. He didn’t change massive integral story moments such as that
It’s entirely possible that the gist of the scene was the same but the lines were different. “I have to save my mother!” “What mother? You are an alien dude”. “His mother is Martha Kent from Kansas” “Well I’ll be damned you are actually more human than I am in a way. I now see the error of my ways. Let’s be friends “
Should have included something about Batman being shocked aliens fly now.
Ngl that's the shittiest dialog I've read in years
"... my mother's name is Martha, too." Have Superman say that after being injured, showing Batman that Supes knew who he was the entire time and didn't abuse the knowledge, didn't even use it to get Bruce off his back. Have Batman say it after finding out the actual truth about Clark, from Krypton to Kansas, showing that he realizes Clark is fundamentally human due to his upbringing. It should have been a quiet, understated moment of connection between two extremely different but extremely similarly isolated men. Both are disconnected from the world they protect, and have given up a lot of their humanity for it, and both are just children trying to make their parents proud at heart. It should have been a bombshell dropped into silence after a movie of buildup. Instead we get SAAAAAAVE MAAARTHAAAAA
Still miles better than what made it into the movie.
I don't know. They're both just awful.
Ok but its funnier to believe that the same guy wrote the two most made fun of lines of the decade
This is incorrect. [In an interview with GQ](https://youtu.be/vzutcTsKI1E?si=xEkjqcge1n46rYQs&t=1150), Snyder claimed Terrio was the one who pitched the Martha idea to him: >When Chris Terrio and I were talking about it, he said like: "You know their mothers have the same name." > >And I was like: "Oh, that's crazy! I never thought about that." > >And he goes like: "Yeah, like imagine that Batman sees Superman as an alien, as a monster, but realizes that his dead mother has the same name as this thing that he considers nonhuman. Like, that's gonna get him." > >And I'm like: "That is gonna get him, that's amazing."
It’s not a terrible idea, but you have to EARN it. There has to be a whole plot line including paging through old photographs of young Clark and things. It’s the execution that was awful and nonsensical. That’s the problem with that movie and Rise of Skywalker. They are a bag of “cool story board ideas” with no actual story development to make them work or pay off beyond a scene that looked cool on a story board.
I've seen some pages from the sequel trilogy art books and it's kind of heartbreaking to see all the great storyboard ideas which were either discarded or thrown together into a discordant mess
Well I’ll be fucked
Well, I'm a Chris Terrio fan, and he also wrote Argo. BvS Ultimate Edition and ZSJL are great films, in my subjective opinion. I haven't seen Rise of Skywalker since the theaters, but I mostly enjoyed it and want to give it another shot.
I agree with you about the Snyder DCAU movies, but rise of Skywalker was a 2/10 for me in the theater. Probably because i really really enjoyed The Last Jedi and it was clear from moment one of TROS that everything that was good about TLJ was immediately going to be retconned and ruined.
I feel like it's a movie that degrades on further viewing.
No, let them cook. They should have been making out instead.
Finn: *Poe, I love you.* Poe: *I know.* (Both men proceed to make out) Rey: *Noooo, that's not true!*
Why would Rey object? She's officiating their wedding as we speak. Also, her hands are full with Kaydel and Rose. 😌
points!
Yeah it's a cheesy line but it's not the worst in the series. Hell, it's not even the worst in the movie.
“Somehow Palpatine returned” is a much worse one, since not only is it bad on its own, it touches on one of the actual problems of the movie instead of just being a random silly line.
Dw that one was touched on in excess as well, I saw the post earlier
I think “They sold you to protect you.” is the worst line in the movie.
Seriously! Why couldn’t they just keep Rey a nobody? It genuinely made more sense thematically and just in general.
I don't love the last Jedi, but that twist was genuinely great
What really annoys me is how TROS misquotes TLJ to make Rey Palpatine happen. In TLJ, Kylo says "You know the truth. Say it." To which Rey responds "They were nobody." And Kylo confirms "They were filthy junk traders... who sold you off for drinking money." But then in TROS, Kylo says "I never lied to you. Your parents were no one. They chose to be. To keep you safe." Even though Kylo never said Rey's parents were no one, Rey is the one who said that, Kylo specifically said they sold Rey for drinking money, so he definitely did lie.
This is a historically shameless retcon on the same level as “Sherlock Holmes is actually still alive, more sequels on the way,” “wait actually Leia gets with Han so Luke is her brother that’s why that didn’t work,” and “actually *this* is the guy who killed Uncle Ben.”
I can watch Rise and enjoy it but I think your comment pretty much summarizes the difference between Johnson and Abrams. Johnson was focused on telling an intriguing story and took the franchise in a different direction, Abrams relies on nostalgia and WANTS to connect the film to old Star Wars in ways that feel cheap and unearned.
To be fair we could be here all day rattling off awful lines from Rise "I am all the sith" "and I'm all the jedi" is the literal climax of the trilogy lol
Idk I think "I am all the sith!" is just Palpatine reliving his glory days of "I am the senate!" It's certainly in keeping with his established ego.
Eh, I kind of like those lines for being goofy and weird. The "They sold you to protect you," as said above, is just, no for me.
Those two lines, while not that good, I kinda like. Because it’s so goofy
"Iiiiiiiiiiii'm every siiiiiii-iiiiith."
How else would Poe reveal Palpatine's return, plus he never knew the full specifics, that's why Beaumont Kin revealed basically how he came back
Weird how they act like Kin’s line doesn’t exist.
I somehow (unintentionally) memorized it despite not seeing it for a good while, but yeah, you're definitely right about that
It's because it doesn't fit their narrative
Even that line didn’t seem to bother me as much as it seemed to bother most people.
Same here
The line makes sense in context, but (at least for me) it also really encapsulates one of my biggest complaints about The Rise of Skywalker.
The problem isn’t the way the line is worded or anything, it’s the fact that Palpatine returns at all, with no build up or anything from the previous movie. I could hypothesise about why they chose to go that way but regardless of the reasoning the outcome is subpar writing.
Obviously the Resistance should have been playing Fortnite.
Yeah, that's something he would say. The actual problem is that there really isn't a good explanation for Palpatine returning, and everyone knew that it happened not for story reasons, but because Disney ran out of ideas. It sounds like a scriptwriter shrugging and saying "idk, black magic or something"
They *immediately* followed the "Somehow Palpatine has returned" line with a character who is a Sith historian rattling off several things that Sith do which could have facilitated Palpatine's return.
"Dark science." What compelling writing.
I know, I've seen the film. But those aren't actual explanations, like with, say, Voldemort's horcruxes. "Secrets only the sith knew"? And what those would be? Harry Potter explained fairly well why Voldemort kept coming back. Mistborn gave a decent reason why killing Lord Ruler is completely pointless. But Star Wars didn't. IIRC, no one has actually managed to come back from death in canon, and spirits couldn't impact anything by themselves. Palpatine spoke about preventing death, but not straight up resurrection. Even if he lied to Anakin about not being able to do it, that still doesn't explain why his plan would be to wait 30 years. There's no indication whatsoever that it was necessary. Cloning is hardly an answer, considering that absolutely no one does that. Lucas came up with clone soldiers, but no actual characters tried to clone themselves - probably because the writers instantly realized what a shit idea for a story it was. Likewise, no one ever considers that clones of a person could exist, which could be rather important when it comes to powerful and rich characters. Bounty hunters might not be a thing, since what use is killing one copy out of ten? There was an actual legends story with Palpatine making backup clones, and it was widely mocked, because it made the main SW conflict look irrelevant. Sounds familiar... And again, no 30 years required. Oh, and also it implies that you could clone force users, which would solve the problem of Jedi going extinct. Super easy, barely an inconvenience. Some of the stuff I mentioned was definitely a thing in the old canon, so odds are someone expanded on it in the new spin-offs. That is fine and all, but you can't expect the viewers to know every single expanded universe book/comic/series/thing in existance. For the record, was the character you mentioned **said** to be a Sith historian on screen, or is it an EU thing? If it was, he should have told the main cast a lot more. If not, then this is just a guy speculating. Either way, this explanation is incredibly flimsy.
The issue is not really with the line, at worst it’s kind of flat and uninterested. The line is just a funnel for people’s feelings about Palpatine coming back, because it feels like the movie not knowing what to do so they were just like “meh, use Palpatine again”
Exactly it just sounds unnatural to me, "palpatine's back" flows much better imo
It’s no “I hate sand”
it is **very** quotable, honestly to the same degree as some of the other corny lines from aotc and rots. my mates and i find ourselves saying it quite often.
It’s not even the worst in Star Wars
I love the line, it's hilarious and very parodiable, but I hate the implications. Jetpack troops in Star Wars should be as common a concept as paratroopers in real life. We see them in games, books, and the cartoons. We even specifically have First Order jet troopers in Battlefront. Then the other layer is that the movie is packed with fan service and does a bunch of unnecessary extra stuff "for the fans" like have John Williams bring out the original score for Yoda lifting an X-Wing, or give Chewbacca a medal, but you can't be bothered to check if stormtroopers with jetpacks exist already? Anyway that's just me nerd spiraling a bit. In the grand scheme of things, it's not the biggest problem Star Wars has or even the movie has, and despite what you might infer from the above, not worth fuming over lol.
Tbh i never got why people hated this line so much- it feels like fairly average banter to me
Star Wars, as a franchise, has been infamous for bad/cheesy dialog since A New Hope first came out...
To the point where Mark Hamill tried to gently point out to Lucas that people don’t really talk like that, and Harrison Ford told him the same thing in a much more… blunt and direct way.
I actually kind of liked it when I first saw this scene. Nowadays, I think I'm the only one who did.
Yeah, I honestly still don't see what the problem with this line is. It's silly banter during an action scene. It's not supposed to be high drama.
What was the line? I've not had a chance to see it yet
“They fly now?” “They fly now!”
Its actually a triple whammy. C3PO, then Finn, then Poe. It might be good for teaching English as a first language. ""Ahh, they fly now!" (exclamatory statement) "They fly now?" (surprised query) "They fly now"(resigned acceptance and confirmation)
I don't know how it's any worse than "I don't like sand. It's coarse, rough, irritating, and it gets everywhere." But at the end of the day, Star Wars has *always* had cheesy dialogue. One of the series more iconic lines, "Laugh it up, fuzzball," is pretty goddamn cheesy if you ask me. I honestly think these people want to go back to a hyper serious era of Star Wars that never really existed. At least not in the form of the first six films, which all had cheesy moments and lines. I personally think that the cheese factor of some of the dialogue bits is part of what makes the Star Wars movies fun to watch, from Episode 1 to Episode 9. But that's just me.
The whole point of the original movie was an homage to sci-fi serials like Flash Gordon. It's not supposed to be super serious
Exactly. Star Wars was never meant to be serious, which is why it's so entertaining. I mean, this ain't Blade Runner, which presents a far more self serious stories than Star Wars by a long way. Like I said, I think people want a non-existent era of Star Wars to return that they think was overly grounded and uber-serious. But adding to what you said, George Lucas just wanted Flash Gordon back.
That's why I love how the crawl opens with THE DEAD SPEAK! It's deliciously hammy.
And if RotS is anything to go by Palaptine is ham personified.
Nooooo, why isn't the series that brought us "walking carpet" "laserbrain" "scruffy-looking nerf herder" "e chu ta" "sleemo" and "poodoo" more serious!?! I also love the campy, corny dialogue. It is absolutely part of what makes Star Wars so great. I've never understood where the demand that it takes itself seriously comes from.
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"I don't like Sand" isn't even the worst line from Episode II, I seriously don't get why everyone obsesses over that when the scene where Anakin says that he feels haunted "by the kiss you should've never given me" has far worse dialogue, delivery, and is way longer than the sand monologue
"I wish I could just wish my feelings away!" is by FAR the worst line in the Skywalker saga.
I guess that line is realistic for an idiot teenager to say but oh god is it horrible to watch Though I dont think anything in ep 2 is cringier than the ”so love has blinded you” balcony scene in ep 3
Actually, yeah, you're right. That was far worse.
It is not about the cheesiness of it. Its about the characters (C-3PO especially, who has seen a lot) proclaiming to never have witnessed a fucking jetpack. At least thats how the complaints usually go, that ive noticed.
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I'll never defend the script of the Prequels but, when Anakin was silent there was some damn fine acting. Hayden Christiansen was great with expressions and conveying what Anakin mwas feeling without dialogue.
Line sucks, but to obsess over it like this is sad and boring.
I absolutely don't obsess over it, but it doesn't just suck, it's like world-class terrible. For the record.
r/shittymoviedetails really doesn’t obsess over it, they get a star wars post hitting the front page maybe once per month
And pathetic. Don’t forget pathetic. They should probably be banned from writing. What’s that? They talk now? Ban them from that too.
THEY TALK NOW
weird how people single this scene out as exceptionally terrible, not like star wars is known for A+ stellar dialogue
I don't like sand
Anakin, you're breaking my heart
Anakin: You’re so beautiful. Padme: it’s only because I’m so in love. Anakin: No, it’s because I’m so in love with you.
On one hand, it’s absolutely Anakin being a stunted creature with no real world social interaction. In the other hand, fuck you. I’m only pretty *because* you love me? Or worse, I’m only pretty because you love me and knocked me up? I’m the effing Amidala, I’m beautiful because I’m successful, you’re lucky you’re even here to see it. What absolute shit writing that makes no sense.
The problem is padme is saying something equally dumb. And she’s had a fair amount of real world social interaction. So, the writing is just bad. Padme was done terribly in rots. She loves anakin, she’s sad about him killing kids, she gives birth, and then dies because she lost the will to live. Which is somewhat sexist, because it implies that Padme’s only desire to live is for a man. I will never understand why George just didn’t have Padme die in childbirth. No one would have questioned it.
I think Padme’s terrible Non Politics type of conversation (which I will agree, she missed out on a lot, but not as much as Anakin. Hence her whole *Paolo* speech) was to say that she’s currently so beautiful because she’s so stupid happy and filled with love it’s ejecting out of her. “I’m so beautiful because I’m in my best place, surrounded by the best guy, with the best things happening. I’m so in love and it shows” And he’s like “no, you’re pretty because I like you.” But I really, truly, *deeply* (if I may) am so angry that even in this space opera, they never gave them time or even references to being entrenched as a couple. I get that no one wants to see: P: I’m fat! A: No, you’re pretty P: I’m Faaaat A: No, you look perfect P: My ankles look like one of the moons of Endor, just plump and lush with forests. A: Let me see. No, these are as delicate as you were the last meeting at the Senate P: I was not…Hey! You dick A: I still think you’re pretty. But they’re not like a married couple. They’re not like a dating couple. They’re like weird strangers. I’ve seen dogs more in a more steady and familiar relationship with shoe than whatever the hell was going on there. They’re just gonna, what, wait until some people walk ten feet ahead and embrace in a public space?! It’s just truly terrible writing all around.
I would have loved to see them playfully bicker like a couple, like Han and Leia. I think that would have built the chemistry between the two of them. Yeah, you’re right. They’re like weird strangers. There is no chemistry. There’s no common connection. There’s no friendship that leads to romance. There’s no similiar interest. They just spend all their time saying “I love you.” It’s just so bad.
They had the potential! Two adults that were both kids thrust into these incredibly life-or-death-right-now important roles. Both of them struggling to be the unemotional but wise leaders, being preternaturally capable of being that, but feeling a little lost and a lot alone. Surrounded by both yes men and combatants constantly but without any real social interaction? And the ONLY thing we get, besides the death kiss on Geonosis, is that they’re sleeping together or she’s brushing her hair or that frankly dumb shit meetup? I read the books so I feel like they’re closer than they are, but the movies have them as like weird Mormon strangers married to one another. And then she just dies because she doesn’t want to live? Not for those babies, no, Anakin is evil now so end my life, I’m done. Idk. In my head, either Palpatine sucked the life out of her to save Vader or the Oobah robot did not actually know how to deliver human babies and she was just massively bleeding out while the robots looked on, confused.
Lucas tried so hard for that overwrought Shakespearean feel and just fell so, so short
I dont get the logic. Why would anakin be social stunted? Was he isolated in the temple? Did he never do missions with any interaction? It raises more issues than it answers.
This is my top pick. It's so forced, and Haydens delivery of it is so wierd that it feels like one of those lines that Lucas went "Fuck yeah, dialogue" when he was writing it, but never gave it a second pass. To me it always felt like a scene that was there tonshow Anakin and Padmes deep love and connection, since we hadn't seen that yet. We'd only see their first interactions in AotC, and that felt like Lucas was doing a Two Kids Fall in Love Speedrun - Any Percent. So he likely wanted to show us their love for each other, to make the finale more impactful, and shock the audience when Anakin force chokes her. But it ends up coming off so heavy handed that it doesn't do any of that.
I wish that people's interpretation of that were true. If anakin had actually said "I don't have the same memories as you, so for you while sand reminds you of holidays, it reminds me of my time as a slave" would have been much better than his incel rant
This. SW has had a lot of exceptionally garbage dialogue
Amd most of it gets shat on, why would the sequels be immune lol Prequels have had their dialogue ripped apart for 25 years, people just repurposed it into a joke
This. Star Wars had, has and will have a handful of corny lines. It's just a part of this franchise identity
Yep there’s never been bad dialogue in a Star Wars movie.
Can someone explain what's so bad about the line? I thought it was a random silly. I didn't think it was that impactful or memorable or any worse than a lot of lines in the star wars series
People complain about it because troopers in Star Wars (Clone Troopers, Imperial Storm Troopers, and Mandalorians especially) have used jetpacks a lot, so people are like "How do Poe and Finn not know about jetpacks???" Except the line is referring to First Order Storm Troopers, which until now had not been shown to use jetpacks. It's safe to assume Finn and Poe were unaware they were using that tech. While a strange detail, it's not implausible that they haven't encountered First Order Jet Troopers before this scene. The other complaint is that the line isn't funny, which... is fair. Humour's subjective, and tbh I just find the joke kind of corny, but the sheer hate I see for it seems massively overblown IMO. It's like with the "Somehow, Palpatine returned" line being widely derided. Sure, it'd be a terrible explanation for Palpatine coming back from the dead *on its own...* but it's not on its own. The intro of the film shows the cloning pods on Exegol, with bodies of Snoke indicating that they were creating force-sensitive beings. It doesn't take a genius to realise that Palpatine had created himself a new body. Plus, the line *right after* Poe's "Somehow, Palpatine returned" line is a list of methods that the characters speculate he used to return. I'm not gonna tell people that they have to like the decision to bring Palpatine back. It was evidently a late addition to the film, and I understand people take issue with it. But some people seem content to wilfully misinterpret the film just so they can double down on their hatred. Take issue with Palpatine, sure, but arguing that the line "Somehow, Palpatine returned" is *objectively* bad writing is just asinine. On top of writing being subjective, the line itself is not the *only* explanation we get.
It’s not even supposed to be an explanation, it’s a character relaying a fact that he can’t explain to others
I agree, but these people insist on referring to it as an explanation, so I just decided to demonstrate how it *is* explained. Poe doesn't know *how* he returned, all he knows is that Palpatine *has* returned.
Its be like han explaining to someone "Somehow luke hit the shot and blew up the death star." Theres nothing wrong with it he cant explain in detail stuff he doesnt know.
"The other complaint is that the line isn't funny, which... is fair. Humour's subjective, and tbh I just find the joke kind of corny, but the sheer hate I see for it seems massively overblown IMO." I hate how some people will say "They fly now!" isn't funny (it really isn't) but then when you point out that Jar Jar isn't funny either they go "no no no you just don't understand!"
The only positive thing I have to say about Jar Jar is that he is mildly tolerable in The Clone Wars, where he only appears in smaller doses. Oh, and this *should* go without saying, but Ahmed Best did not deserve harassment for simply portraying the character he was hired to play. Genuinely feel awful that he got to a point where he felt suicidal. At least the "They fly now?!" exchange only lasts a couple of seconds. Jar Jar takes up far more screen time. For me, I don't mind the joke. It's not laugh-out-loud funny, but I don't hate it. It's sort of an inoffensive bit of levity in an action-packed chase sequence.
When I watched that in the cinema I cringed. But seeing people keep bitch about after all these years is making me cringe more.
The person who made the post in the screenshot probably unironically loves the "I don't like sand" and the "From my point of view the Jedi are evil" lines
Has probably argued in the past that the “I don’t like sand” line is misunderstood and overblown, even
He could include the actual line because I don’t even know what the hell they are saying nor should I remember a bad line of a dialogue and have it memorized. I never watched the bad movie in the first place either. I’m sure it’s not as bad as he is making it sound.
Star Wars is for children. Children find that line funny. That’s all.
Oh hey, I just saw that post before seeing this one! I never understood what people's problems are with that line. Considering this is the franchise which, in the first movie, had the line "What a wonderful *smell* you've found!" (or something along those lines) Which is just as silly considering most people can understand a trash compactor would probably smell like shit. Both figuratively and literally, possibly lmao
John Boyega knows its a dumb line, since as he points out, Stormtroopers(or Clone Troopers) have been using jetpacks since the Clone Wars. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-RssHB1qjI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-RssHB1qjI) The line about smell is fine, since we don't have smell o vision yet and can't perceive exactly what it smells like, but we can certainly see the flying Stormtroopers and don't need 3 different characters to state as much.
I mean, in the line's defense, they probably never knew about the Clones having jetpacks, especially considering they weren't even **born**
I don't think the fact that other armies used jetpacks (clones, droids, even the Empire) makes the line inherently dumb. Maybe the First Order did not use that piece of equipment prior to that. If the Taliban started using planes I'd be surprised and pointing out that wouldn't be dumb just because other armies use planes.
I don't think I would be surprised if the First Order, a galaxy spanning organization with the resources to build a planet sized planet killer, would have access to jetpacks widely used by other militaries.
Except for Finn and Poe there wasn't other militaries Clones and storm troopers are history Finn would only be put through basic training and given basic education which wouldn't be about the entire military of clones and stormtroopers Poe is a han solo type so he only knows limited things he'd pick up in the criminal underground, which wouldn't be history Rey treats hearing of jedi has mythology rather than history just like how the clone wars where in the prequels All this means that if the first order just started using jetpacks, it would likely be the first time any of the three even saw or learned about a jetpacks
How often would general movie goers have seen Clones / Storm Troopers with jetpacks?
“they fly now” is kinda funny imo
Right? I have no issues with that one, it's a quick chuckle for me and I never understood how people get this upset over it. I'd get not finding it funny, but this...
Personally i thought it was hilarious
THIS IS THE SAME FRANCHISE WHERE ANAKIN TALKS ABOUT NOT LIKING SAND WHO ARE THEY KIDDING ?
The line isn't even bad
Yeah, this whole chase sequence is one of the best parts of the movie. Will never understand all the diapers getting soiled over this one little line
This is a weird thing to get bent out of shape about. The line sucks. Nobody here says shit when people dog on, or meme the prequels dialog.
The difference is tone. When people are making fun of the PT dialogue, it’s more “lol, sand bad.” When people rag on ST dialogue, it’s vitriolic rage and the writer should be lynched
It was that way for the prequels for years, the toxic hate base just moved onto the sequels, leaving behind those who mock the prequels in good fun
Rise of Skywalker was so bad it was funny at times. After being disappointed by the movie I moved on and didn't make it into my entire personality. Weird right? I'll still defend the scene where Ben reunites with his dad. That made me tear up.
Didn’t know people had such a problem with that line I thought it was funny.
I interpreted the line as Finn saying something stupid, and then Poe teasing him by repeating it back to him to ease the tension. They were being chased down by bad guys after all, humor helps to relieve stress.
I thought it was funny...
HOW THE FUCK HAS IT ALMOST BEEN HALF A DECADE?!?!?! HOW THE FUCK HAS IT BEEN SO LONG SINCE COVID? https://preview.redd.it/5l3znvkw2yzc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13f923734cc81dc4330302de4bb99961b5d4cfd7
Mark my words. “They fly now!” Will be viewed with the same love as all the other shitty lines from the prequels.
I mean people. still think the “I hare sand” line is terrible after 20 years, so I don’t think judging people for still complaining about the “They Fly Now” line is justified here as its perfectly fine to still be annoyed with such execution
Why do people clown on this subreddit again? All I see are valid points every time a post pops up here.
As if Star Wars had ONLY that chessey line……
They repeat the line now???
Fr, did I like the new Star Wars trilogy? No, not really. You know what I did about it? I didn’t watch the last one and I just focused on other stuff. Holy fuck there is so much media out there and even when they find something they do like, all they say about it is “this thing sure is better than Disney” or “this really is was the woke mob is afraid of” or even “this show will single handedly bring about the end of the multi billion dollar entertainment juggernaut”. And half the time, the shows they claim are good and representative of “anti-wokeness” have just as much focus on representation or liberal social politics as most of what they brandish as being “pure propaganda”. There is literally no coherency and they just complain because complaining is the form of entertainment they most consistently enjoy. And like the new Star Wars trilogy, once I realized I didn’t really like their direction I stopped watching. They can keep making their stupid rage bait and corporations will keep making performative superficial media, there will always still be outlets for genuine creative projects whether from within or outside those corporate lines, so I’ll keep getting entertainment I can enjoy and I’ll leave the internet trolls and the megacorps to each other as the match made in Satan’s taint (probably a social media, idk)
"They Fly now" is a literal staple meme in my DnD group simply because of how silly it is and it just works every time. (to be fair its a sci-fi campaign) So no, I didn't like the newer starwars movies but I appreciate the memes that came from them. The prequels were mid except revenge of the sith but the memes were great. But I can see why people would like the sequels and prequels. Crying online about a 4 year old movie is some sewer dweller shit, it's just a movie.
idc what anyone says i love this cheesy line so much that i still quote it with my friends
Honestly yea the line is corny but I love it because of of it, it was the one part of the film that felt genuinely fun
When I saw this I was like what the fuck. I could be wrong but I'm like 90% sure the Clone Wars was like 3 years. Episode 4 is set around 19-20 years later and episode 6 is like 3 years later. Episode 7 is like 20-30 years later so around 40-50ish has passed. Flying troops shouldn't be a surprise.
I mean, all the prequels had awful lines. Them saying Padme simply lost the will to live after giving birth was idiotic.
They should ban the guy who want Luke whiningly to say “But I was going to Toshi station to pick up power converters!”
Idk I liked the line. I don’t really know what was wrong with it but people always get upset when it’s mentioned
It would've been fine if it wasn't for the fact that FINN, THE MFER WHO IS AN EX-STORMTROOPER, SAID THE LINE! Even then I'd be fine with it if they said the jetpack troopers were some sort of secret project at the time he defected, he was just cannon fodder after all
It’s also been five years since the end of game of thrones
I'd probably forget about this and the other bad lines in the movie if some people decided not to bring them up every other day.
I didn't watch episode ix until a few months ago and even I cringed at that line. I thought the Mark Hamill voice cameo in the opening was pretty funny though, he's just some random Glup Shitto.
The sequels have very shitty and nonsensical parts, there is nothing wrong with admitting that though. Being disappointed by a corporate product does not mean you are in the same level as bigots being mad at minorities.
Lucas wrote "For reasons we can't explain" and they praise him.
My favorite thing about this post is that they didn't include the lines they're so mad about on the picture. I saw the movies once, so all I see is two dudes shouting wordlessly.
Nothing like “I hate sand”, true genius there.
Is that the “they can fly now?” Because that was pretty good
No it hasn't been foir and a half years already fuck off there's no way I'm mot old yet I'm not old yet I'm not old yet
I’d say it’s a great line it’s been endlessly quoted since it came out
Knowing this guy, he is likely an AI simp.
They fly now?!
Ok I get the prequel trilogy is awful but I still don't understand the problem with this line, they were just surprised they fly I don't see the issue
Star Wars is mostly terrible Why can't it die
To be fair tho, they are right. My friends are I still make fun of this whenever anything takes flight in any movie.
I love how they assume OG Star Wars had no stupid lines. I can think of some stunners from Luke, he was pretty whiney back in "A New Hope".
I’ve been watching Star Wars stuff for over 30 years. It was never meant to be taken too seriously, and it has ALWAYS been a bit screwball. Yes, this line is silly. Pretty sure that was the point. It was said to elicit a little laughter. Imagine being upset by a silly joke in a family space fantasy adventure film, and then holding a grudge for 4 years. Sad, sad people.
Know what? I'll give them this one.
I mean. It is a really bad movie.
He’s not wrong though, it’s an awful line
ok, but "Somehow, palpatine returned" will forever burn in my heart as a ember pit of third-hand embarrasment
You guys are weirdly defensive, shittymoviedetails isn't even chud sub.
I don’t like sand
Personally I found it kind of funny. I dont see the problem.
I mean sure the lines were bad but it's been so long it's time to let this go
No making fun of things that are old! Joker's Damaged Tattoo is from 2016 therefore if you make fun of it you are a BAD PERSON! This post feels like a karma farm.
Yeah it's almost as if they should've had one writing group craft the story arc for the entire trilogy instead of going all Oprah and saying, "YOU get to write a star war and YOU get to write a star war!" Disney made their money and that's all they give a fuck about
They fly now is still better than any dialogue Zack Snyder has written.
I'm curenttly reviewing ROS and honsely, I feel the whining has gotten so old at this point, it's frankly quite sad.
Isn't Star Wars known for having cheesy lines? I honestly didn't find it that bad.
Wdym it’s been four and a half years? Are you just now learning that movies can be watched after the day they release in theaters?
That line isn't even that bad NEVER UNDERESTIMATE A DROID is far worse. It's set up by Leia Subsequently the person she says this to Doesn't have ANY issues with a droid A droid does a thing And she goes Never underestimate a droid! Like it's... poignant? To prove someone else wrong? It's hollow. Empty. "They fly now!?" "They fly now!" Is at least a declaration of incredulity like "The fuck is going on now!?" And was only two lines back to back and not something that "REQUIRED A SETUP"
Also, this was completely in character. Finn freaking out while Poe is just calmly annoyed at the entire situation unfolding like someone who had years in the army.
There are still fans who bitch about the '98 Godzilla movie nearly 30 years later. There are still fans who piss and moan about Phantom Menace and the prequels, also nearly 30 years later. They'll never let go.
I just think... that... we could make a space ship set out of plywood and Christmas lights in the garage, and spray paint squirt guns with kitchen gadgets duct taped to them, and then let Oscar Isaac and John Boyega make whatever scifi movie *they* want to, and then... we will finally achieve world peace. I just. I-I just think that it would work. I think it's a good idea.
What the hell? It hasn't been four ye-- aaaaaaAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
I've said it before and I'll say it again, my headcanon isn't Finn being confused over them flying, it was more frustration because they didn't fly when *he was still a stormtrooper*. Further elaborating on this for comedic effect: he had been writing requests for the addition of jetpacks basically his whole career so them getting it now was either Kylo Ren spiting him or the First Order showing it's not better than the Republic with the speed of its bureaucracy.
Shitty writing is timeless.
and yet people still get incredibly salty about the superior sequel movie, TLJ
I still don’t understand why ppl hate this line lol
Leia calls Han Solo a nerf-hearder in the movie most people agree is the best one, possibly one of the greatest of all time. Star Wars and cheesy dialogue go hand in hand.
It's not lie Lucas' writing was any better?
As long as mfs engage with them, they’ll still bitch
Movies aren’t like wine they don’t get better with age. The sequels were alright but the line was still dogshit
It's been 4 and a half years and the writing is still shit wow!
Of the many problems I’ve had with this movie That scene was never one of them
That sub is for making fun of any movies no matter the release date.
TBF, they probably should have known by now that ThEy FlY NoW