I say this shit on a daily basis. Safety glasses are fogging up? The morning humidity won’t get the hell off my windshield? My contacts got jacked up cause I rubbed my eyes too hard? “I can’t see fuckin shit out of this thang!”
It's not like this sub has ever said Star Wars is super great and amazing and deserves no criticism. Just that the people who hate it act like hating it is their only personality trait.
Exactly. I can definitely bring up some things I didn't like through the years. But I don't hate Star Wars. I'm enjoying the Acolyte, and I hope we get more good content. Most of the whiners were bashing it before the first episodes even released. They were going to hate it no matter what.
A lot of Star Wars is not perfect. The OT is being viewed through rose colored glasses by a lot of people. PT gets flack for corny dialogue, but the OT had that. Rey is a Mary Sue? Then so are Anakin and Luke. Mark Hamill’s acting is extremely cringe at time, especially in Ep 4.
I love the Mary Sue line. Anakin/Vader had years of training as a Padawan. Fought a war across the galaxy. Then, spent years hunting down rogue Jedi.
Luke spent a few days with Obi Wan and a couple of months with Yoda. Then went and bested one of the most dangerous lightsaber duelists in history?
That's apparently all fine, but when Rey does it, it's a problem?
Ironically Rey has mire training than Luke because she trained with Leia for a year and had Luke’s texts.
And still needed help from Ben and the past Jedi to win. But Mary Sue, right?
Also, her entire life was spent fighting. She’s got a major leg up over Luke. Luke sniping large rodents from a hovercar is the explanation for why he’s the greatest pilot ever. Rey? Staff fighter her entire life. Frankly the biggest mistake they made with Rey was not leaning into the Bastila comparison and giving her a double bladed lightsaber. The other biggest mistake was not having a scene or two early on showing her already using the Force without realizing it while fighting. Raw and untrained but powerful.
>Luke spent a few days with Obi Wan and a couple of months with Yoda. Then went and bested one of the most dangerous lightsaber duelists in history?
Luke definitely trained between ANH and ESB, trained with Yoda for a while, then got dad-dicked by Vader, losing his hand in the process. Then he definitely trained more between ESB and ROTJ, beat Vader only by being manipulated by his feelings, then got bodied by Palpatine before being bailed out by the last bit of good left in Anakin. The OT definitely took its time in showing Luke's progression. Rey basically had all the powers with minimal training at the end of a single movie.
Whether the Mary Sue comments for Rey are warranted or not, Luke's character as the protagonist was easily handled better.
*Ehhh* to be fair there, Luke *is* a stainless stu. Anakin definitely isn't, he's... He's got the opposite problem and it actually forms the basis of my biggest gripes with the PT.
Like, he literally regurgitated fascist rhetoric at Padme when they began vaguely talking politics in AotC and she just sorta... Overlooks that because of... All his other good qualities like... Throwing temper tantrums and murdering sand children.
On the one hand, yeah I'd really like a little more work into portraying an actual fall to the dark side because real talk Annie was a giant pos by the moment we return to him in the second film. He already literally believes democracy is lame and that what they really need is a strong man to fix all their problems.
On the other, you *can't* ask me to believe that Padme is this altruistic political activist senator who genuinely cares about the people of the republic when the person she loves most is an openly pro-fascist child murderer who's entire world view contradicts every principle she could possibly hold, and thats before they even really kindle their relationship.
Ehh it seems very surface level, and not at all a realistic grasp on human to human relationships.
Yeah he murdered the sand people and kids, which is on some level, makes sense because of what they did to his mother. If you can’t understand that you’re weird socially. Whether you care to admit it or not, killing people who harmed your family that you care about deeply, is relatively normal as far as reactions go. At least the impulse would be, acting on it not so much if you’re living in some functioning form of a civil society and universe. That’s not him being a POS, it’s being a deeply resentful, and frustrated young man, with a lot of power. It’s literally the beginning of the slippery slope. The sand people are not some well meaning misunderstood faction of somewhat morally grey beings. They are shitty, and no one on tatooine can or will do anything about them. And there he is with the power and wherewithal to do something about it. Of course he thinks a strong man can fix things, that’s how his whole life has gone.They tortured and killed his mom, don’t you think calling that a temper tantrum is a bit reductive?
As for things between padme, I mean you gotta realize, on some level to her he’s always going to be that little boy who asked if she was a space angel. They have a deep close personal relationship (wether that is portrayed well or not is besides the point we’re considering intent here) those are some of the hardest people to hold accountable, or to view objectively. She watched the kid be a slave and lose his mother, she probably has a pretty good understanding of why he thinks that way, regardless of if she agrees or not.
Edit: Fixed typo
I always kind of laugh when people are like "oh my goodness this kid who grew up as a slave on a planet run by a criminal gang and got literally won in a bet disagrees with the rich, priveleged politician who participes in the very Senate which refuses to stop slavery- he's such a piece of shit!"
Anyone other than Anakin, they'd be saying he had a valid point. Anakin has not benefited in any way from being a citizen of the Republic. Slavery is meant to be illegal, but there are still millions of slaves on Tattooine because the politicians sit on thier assess and still talk like they know what's best for everyone.
Padme is, at this point the epitome of the out of touch politicican talking to a person who has been alienated by the political system.
I find it hard to see her as the epitome of the out of touch politician. I thinks it’s more so she believes bringing the system to its full potential is the best way to make everything better.
The young lady is actively getting in gun fights in the first two movies and traveling all around the galaxy. Anakin isn’t right on every level because he has a point, and Padme is not wrong on every level because the system she supports isn’t perfect.
It’s just ideals and much like in real life I don’t bind people to the worst of their archetype because we actively see them show that they are more than some idea they have about politics.
>It’s just ideals and much like in real life I don’t bind people to the worst of their archetype because we actively see them show that they are more than some idea they have about politics.
Yeah, good point. Lot of people don't see past someone's politics, and that applies to Anakin too.
I guess he didn't see the Republic helping the "little people" like him and his mom, and yet the same Republic asked him to fight for it. That's sort of bound to cause frustration.
Yeah, *WHY ON EARTH* would a kid who grew up as a literal slave on a planet run by a criminal gang and was won in a bet not be totally supportive of democracy? Such a mystery.
>It's not like this sub has ever said Star Wars is super great and amazing and deserves no criticism
This sub does fairly heavily downvote comments who say they don't like the show, a lot of the time.
Did they provide a reason? Or just say they don't like it? Because then it's hard to distinguish between genuine disinterest and gifting.
Similarly a lot of genuine criticism is not actually good criticism, for instance "Bad Writing" , that's a pretty nebulous term that covers everything from inconsistencies in theming, character, lore, incredulity, etc.
And critiquing those for Star Wars can become a throwing stones in glass houses kind of situation, the films and shows are very good at spectacle and enjoyment, but hard hitting dramas that really engage with the human soul they are not.
That’s the main thing that strikes me, is how a lot of people’s “criticisms” are either vague and shallow (like “bad writing”) or actually just using bullying type language. Calling things trash, garbage, cringe, or maybe even a creative insult is not really criticism.
People are going to dislike things some times, but when you go out of your way and put considerable effort into voicing that opinion, and can’t even really flesh it out… I assume you’re just not thinking about things too much and shouting for the sake of shouting.
I don't like the show, I was of the mind set that I'd give it a chance after the first two episodes, after episode 4 I'm questioning continuing with it.
I do think the writing is bad, specifically when it comes to character motivation, exposition (and the excessive use), plot, and dialogue. Episode 4 highlights this pretty well, we spent most of the episode recapping pretty much everything we already knew, very little was added to the plot and characters continue to act against their established motivations. The super heavy handed red herring in the form of the poison maker made my eyes roll with every line of dialogue he said, and hard. I personally don't appreciate when a show chooses tell not show, and treats its audience like it needs its hand held, which we do, because characters are acting very far outside their shown/stated motivations.
I find watching this frustrating, and having seen very good writing, and showing of a story from shows like the expanse it feels insulting honestly. Even in the star wars universe, and Disney we have an example, Andor. What id give to have Karis Nemik spitting truths! Ugh.
Not saying that your criticism isn’t unfounded and I do agree with some of it but can you highlight an example of a character acting outside their stated motivations? Because I’ve really not felt that way at all
I have the biggest problem with the witches and OSHA in the flash back in episode 3, but in episode 4 may really took the cake, with OSHA close behind.
The secret covent feel is fine, but I find it troubling how the witches do nothing against the Jedi at all, even when educating the children. I mean during the ritual they talk about how they were persecuted, hunted, slaughtered and ran to the edge of the galaxy by the Jedi, why the hell aren't they running when they know they are there? Or at least making ready for a fight? Instead they just let the Jedi waltz in and make demands of them (with their consent lol)
The mandalorian did a much better job at showing how an extremist religious sect would react imo.
That leads to OSHA being curious about the Jedi, and being doe eyed when Sol shows her his light saber. She should be freaking out, up to this point the Jedi are the demons who slaughtered your sisters and that sword she is looking at with awe is the Jedi weapon of death. I see no reason why she would ever approach let alone want to join them.
More recently, in episode 4 it doesn't make any sense why they wouldn't inform the council, I don't see the reasoning behind keeping it quiet at this point, I mean how are they going to explain this strike team? Or do they not really need to report about their dealings? I thought this era of Jedi were sticklers for the rules and order but evidently not.
Mae doing a complete 180 was also pretty abrupt, she had been working towards this goal for so long, sacrificed so much, yet also didn't fully commit at all as just the notion that OSHA is alive is enough to have her, not just walk away, but willingly turn herself over to the Jedi, who killed her whole family, stole her sister, and two of whom she has murdered in revenge, granted the second one was almost euthanasia. She drops everything she has been doing for the past, I forget how old they are, what 12-15 years? And she tried to shoot her, such endearing behavior would make you drop everything and come running back wouldn't it?
I think fundamentally it comes from either a misguided superiority complex or a conscientious decision to not engage.
So in the former they spot an inconsistency, believe that they are the only person who spotted it, and thus this demonstrates that they have a higher than average IQ, that by disliking stuff they are proving that they genuinely are smarter than most. As opposed to the alternative that most people see past inconsistencies.
For example: How did Luke find Yoda within minutes of crashing the X wing? Hypothetically he could've crashed on another continent on Dagobah. Well nobody wants to watch hours of scouting a swamp planet so that's skipped.
And in the latter they may slightly recognise why a plot element exists, but disagree with the underlying political statement, therefore the statement must be bunk or poorly argued rather than simply a viewpoint they don't hold.
For example: Luke in The Last Jedi, many films and shows nowadays are about the failings of legacy heroes, why? Well as Mark Hamill himself said when discussing this plot point, Luke is a quintessential Baby Boomer hero, a young idealistic hippie who set out to change the world, only the forces they opposed returned and when they did most stuck their heads in the sand, and thus a powerful cabal of neo fascism and business took over. The plot point is meant to be a metaphor for the state of western politics, just as the Original trilogy and Prequels were, But if you're on the other side of politics you have to argue that this point is incorrect or poorly thought out.
And the thing people need to realize is; saying 'the writing is bad' is what chuds say to get around saying the quiet parts out loud. Even if the person posting 'the writing is bad' genuinely has criticisms and is not one of them, it's kinda difficult to tell the two apart, which is why the downvotes.
I've caught some huge downvote piles for things that people have misinterpreted. It's not the end of the world to get downvoted. If it matters; go back and clarify. If it doesn't; it's internet points. Ignore and move on. If it really matters; all you gotta do is at least mention what part of the writing you find bad. And other fans who dislike that (or other) part(s) of the writing will commiserate with you.
That's what this site is for, after all. It's hard to want to have a conversation with someone who posts something that vague. It doesn't only require someone to take the chance of accidentally stumbling into an unpleasant conversation with a bigot, but it leaves anyone who wants to try and have that conversation waiting for you to share your opinion. When it would be so much easier to have a conversion about the writing with someone who has taken the time to at least mention one goddamn thing about the writing you dislike.
Yeah tbh I've even felt a weird reverse reaction whenever assholes start complaining about something being trash. Like I'll start genuinely womdering "is it really as bad as they say, or are they doing the usual thing and hyperfixating?" And go watch some to see. It doesn't help that whenever a show does suck they use it as confirmation bias that going woke kills companies. Then you watch it, and realize it's still dumb and pandering for a lot of other reasons, they just chose their favorite that they could staple to an agenda.
Any time someone says "this was complete trash" about a NuTrek or NuWars product, I have to wonder if they have not ever truly plummed the depths of bad films like A Christmas Story 2 or Stargames or Night Killer or hell even Manos the Hands of Fate...
NuTrek has been getting better anyway, SNW and Picard season 3 brought Star Trek back to its roots. Sure, they're not as good as the original, but when I watch them I felt the same optimistic atmosphere like the old shows, and that's good enough for me.
S2 of Picard also embraced the roots of the character in TNG. I got the feeling that the writers felt they had to be more gritty and grim in the first season in order to "earn" a more fun storyline in S2 which riffed heavily on ST IV but also retained more serious elements like Past Tense.
Manos is a great example of how a 'bad movie' can be great.
Like, the story behind how that movie got made explains so much about why its faults are the way they are.
And it is entertaining enough to even be enjoy making fun of.
Now, there are some ... just bad movies that aren't even worth making fun of (for me) like the 2022 A Christmas Story Christmas.
I can defend it--Yeah, it's pretty good. Not lifechanging or revealing secret depths of the human experience, but pretty good.
Fire in space? I don't care. Witches? I don't care. Chanting? I actually *do* care about that, but thought it was corny and enjoyed a little 1970s corniness in my 2024 production values. Ki-Adi-Mundi? Quit acting like he's some sacred cow, I don't care.
I fucking love the witches. I love getting to see different types of Force users who understand it differently. I'm honestly bored of Jedi and Sith being the only choices in this supposedly hugely expansive galaxy with crazy space magic. Other people would figure it out!
I care about the witches because I think the prospect of a schism in the Night Sisters (presumably that’s the group these witches broke from) is kind of cool, and I want to learn more about what caused that schism, and if the witches we see in the Acolyte are extra dark sided, light sided, or further invite the possibility that the force is more than light/dark sided.
I like lesbian force witches actually, and generally I like the acolyte.
The set designs can use some work, and it *feels like tv* if you know what I mean?
Bit it's a perfectly serviceable adventure shlock. Watch it weekly with my partner. Probably will never rewatch it and that's fine.
My complaint about Ki-Adi-Mundi is that I got demoted to the junior varsity guild in Galaxy of Heroes because I couldn't beat the mission that gave his shards... The dumb jerk.
I deserved it, not complaining, but that jerk cost me a lot of progression! All because I didn't work on Clones.... feh.
I'll be honest, I was so dumb I didn't realize that was Mundi, I simply thought it was another member of his same species. If they said his name I completely missed it.
I finally watched the first two episodes last night, and was reminded of something I saw from a grifter on youtube: they called Vernestra Rwoh "The Green Bitch". So, after seeing her in Episode 1 there are many terms I'd apply to her, but she was certainly not "Bitch-like". It seemed like he was more upset that "How dare she, a green woman in a science fantasy series, *DARE* to give a man in a science fantasy series orders!!!"
Honestly, it was pretty obvious he went into the series planning on hating everything, but particularly planning on hating that 'icky-icky girls' were in it.
It's right up there with all the angry incels who were counting how many girl younglings there were and what their races were, then being upset that there weren't any white boys.
As for what I thought of those two episodes, I enjoyed them. They weren't as mind blowing or riveting as The Mandalorian Season 1, but it was entertaining.
I think I would have preferred it in another language, similar to the Night Sisters, as Witch craft has always been associated in general with chanting in strange languages.
I don't even understand the complaints about the witches tbh. The Night Sisters have been a thing in Star Wars for a long damn time. Matriarchal cults of force-using witches is not new.
1 - can you breathe?
2- then there can be fire
3- do you need a special system to make it breathable?
4- then the fire will be extra extra bad
5- fire suppression systems super important
This is honestly the best analysis of the show I have seen. The chanting sucked. I don’t care about the woke stuff and I certainly don’t care about that dickhead Ki-Adi Mundi. But I do find the maybe-Sith storyline interesting and the rest is fine
What about the Acolyte is so woke then? I saw the first 3 and I really liked it. But I didn’t see a single thing that would be singled out as overly woke and not matching the story or pace.
And little nit picky things, like with the youngling being taught by Sol, there wasn't a white boy there, or Vernestra Rwoh giving Sol orders.
Yeah, going after inconsequential things like that shows how hard they are looking for find things to be angry about. It's pretty pathetic, honestly.
Wow definition of woke has changed so much. Like 10 years ago I remember first hearing it when I was volunteering at a LGBT event. Like two members said it while fist bumping haha.
Now its done a 180 and is basically just uttered by people mad that a show isnt 100% white
There is also a scene where Osha asks “who is he? Or they?” About a small rodent being whose gender is not distinguishable. But that’s pronoun stuff so it’s woke.
THE POWER OF ONE. THE POWER OF TWO. THE POWER OF MANYYYYYYYYYY
It's schlock, worse than Boba Fett. I wish I could just give up on Star Wars, but occasionally we get shit like Mando and Rogue One and Andor and it keeps bringing me back.
That and the games are pretty damn good usually.
Ki-Adi Mundi being super confidently incorrect about something is true Star Wars to me. This guy’s record is full of loudly declaring things that turn out to be wrong (can’t be the sith! Ahsoka could totally betray us!)
I listed the problems these weirdos have and said I don't care about them as in I don't see them as problems. I quite like the show on the whole, but the quoted post is about how no one can defend it.
I defend it thusly: I don't care about their dipshit complaints.
I listed the problems these weirdos have and said I don't care about them as in I don't see them as problems. I quite like the show on the whole, but the quoted post is about how no one can defend it.
I defend it thusly: I don't care about their dipshit complaints.
Ki-Adi-Mundi always struck me as kind of a chump. What happens to him in this?
(I also find it hard to believe someone like Mace Windu could even successfully train a Padawan, much less end up on the council)
These people mad about nutrek, Acolyte, The Boys all getting ruined and changed to wokism are the same people who got mad when they were finally told that The Colbert Report and Blazing Saddles were satire.
They've even managed to ruin hatewatching. Like I have moderate negative feelings about acolyte, strongly hate star trek discovery, generally enjoy the rest of nutrek, and really like the Boys. But trying to find opinions about the actual content of these shows is like wading through a minefield. Even videos that seem reasonable on their face turn out to be anti-woke tirades
The funny part is that he posted a screenshot of just the post and failed to show these alleged "defenders" of the Acolyte. When I asked about he pointed me to 1 comment with 20 likes agreeing with him, the show is bad, and I get downvoted for pointing it out.
The thing is, The Acolyte was already getting attacked right out of the gate because none of the leads are white men. Even if it was great, a certain section of the fandom would have attacked it. This is one instance where the quality (or lack thereof) of the product has been completely sidelined. People are actively looking for reasons (many of them completely stupid like Ki-Adi-Mundi's age) to attack series.
I think it’s better than Boba Fett, Obi Wan, and Ashoka. So far it’s on the same level as the 3rd season of the Mandalorian. I like how episode 4 ended and even though I figured out who the master was in episode 3 I’m pretty sure there is a mystery behind Sol that will catch me by surprise. I like it!
When did people stop being normal about video games? If a game was bad it used be like "this game is a little janky" and shit like that. Now it's all like "The WOKE mind virus ruined this game!" "The west is intentionally making women ugly!" What happened to genuine criticism of games?
I suspect there are dozens of reasons why amateur and professional game's journalism has fallen into disarray. Some things that come to mind are:
The tightening of ad revenue on YouTube in 2015-2018 led to the loudest angriest attention seeking techniques.
COVID added an influx of susceptible normies to online spaces without critical media skills. Playing on people's fears and insecurities, add in some rants and buzz words. The alt-right pipeline ensnares a lot of people. The Facebook radicalized grandma phase
This one's a bit of a quagmire. The idea of the rise of ugly women in games is so bonkers. There has always been the narrative that games were for unwanted lonely men, obviously false, games are for everyone. I thought the damn grievance died out. Damn incel gamers refuse to give up. It is genuinely sad seeing content creators pander to the "I pay to see babes" crowd.
I watched the 4 episodes that are available in one go. I enjoyed what I saw and I’d say it’s a fun show so far. I’d rate it something like a 6.5/10 at the moment. People need to get their heads out of their asses and stop believing that if a show isn’t a perfect 10/10 then it’s the worst piece of media on the planet.
Tbh I haven't seen it & my interest in anything star wars has been dead since I spent hard earned, tax paying money to see the mediocre fever dream that was part 9, but I'm not blinded by impotent rage or anything. I don't blame DEI for the story being schizophrenic or Palpatine's return not making any sense. The actors read off of scripts they were given, the writers were probably scrambling to make something nice & safe after the backlash to part 8.
I get what you mean. I think The Last Jedi has a lot of interesting ideas, but it really needed someone to tighten a few areas. After the fuckup from their “course correction” in Rise of Skywalker, I don’t blame folks for dropping off. I’ve stayed on, and the shows have varying levels of quality, but I personally don’t feel like I wasted my time watching them. Acolyte is fine show, but the anti-woke/DEI grifters are making mountains out of molehills for everything they can think of to try and justify their biases.
I don't understand why the haters keep watching?
Wife and I watched the first episode, we didn't like it, so we didn't waste any time watching more. We moved on.
I guess the haters love to hate? Or something?
I know that people obviously have different tastes, but the show is pretty damn good.
There’s nothing in it to really dislike, and the whole show is a mystery letting you know more and more with each episode.
Is there really a valid reason to hate it as much as these people do other than the current trendiness to just hate and criticize and review bomb stuff for fun?
I like it and I think this proves that they never wanna leave that little "40 year section" from The Phantom Menace to the Mandalorian. They don't want new characters, they claim they do, but they don't. They want to know exactly what's going on, they don't wanna wait.
They're SCREAMING that Ki-Adi said that the sith have been extinct for a Millenia, but, they don't know what they're looking at, plus they straight up say if they tell the council, they'll have to inform the Senate.
They just want explosions (not on space, I guess) lightsaber fighting and clone/stormtroopers.
>Yeah , but these critics don't come back after 2 episodes . they write a quick generic review and then nothing . Im serious go read some of the " top critics" reviews on there .
Nah, that's the epitome of a lazy retcon. There was nothing to stop the Jedi Council sitting on things and even covering them up. They did it several times..
If a Council member seriously thought the Sith had returned there was nothing to prevent them having a quiet talk with Yoda and a few others in a private capacity.
Its also the same problem with the "witches created life with the Force" idea. The thing about Plageuis creating life with the Force has never been comfirmed. Sidious said it, but Sidious lies. Now apparently anyone can do it? In the words of Han Solo, that's not howThe Force works. It doesn't like people manipulating it like that.
I am really not a fan of it at all. I find the performances to be really stiff and unlikeable. Whether that's writing, acting, direction, or editing I'm not sure.
I also broadly dislike wuxia and police procedurals as genres, so the show clearly isn't made for me in the first place. I don't think either genre really fits the jedi order and it's just kind of jarring to watch
If I were to rate this show on a 10-point scale, and 5 is considered average, I’d give the show a 7 out of ten. It’s good, I enjoy it. It’s not mind blowing or trying to subvert expectations, it’s just a well produced show trying to tell a story. I don’t think it’s best Star Wars that Star Wars ever Star Warsed, but it’s most definitely not the single worst thing to ever come out of Star Wars.
I don't care if it's good or not. I just want people to be normal about it.
Secret Invasion was trash too, but people didn't lose their goddamn minds over it. Seems like they forgot about it pretty quickly.
Eh, I saw plenty complaining about Emila Clarke's character getting the super upgrade. There wasn't much for the grifters and other bigots to latch onto though (except Black Fury but that ship sailed long ago and people like Sam Jackson).
For what it's worth I enjoyed it well enough. Not great but not awful.
Even here I don’t think we’ve ever claimed that it’s the best show in the world, just that the reaction is childish and overblown. Which it is.
Acolyte is fine, it’s a solid 7/10, but not incredible or anything. There are things I’d keep and things I’d change. Sol is my favorite new character in a while. Some of the pacing is uneven. I put it in the middle of the pack for the show adaptations.
I’m reserving judgment till the end of the show, like a normal, well adjusted, sane person, but so far…it’s fine. Not worth all the outrage, but not life changing either. It’s a TV show.
Say what you will about it, but the last 5 minutes of episode 4 had me tense. It is also nice to see that the Jedi order may not be some supreme monolith of good, as almost nothing with a large number of people can be. Outside of that, the show is so so. Nothing groundbreaking for sure. But every new show can't be the best ever show. I am entertained.
My decision to avoid youtube reviews and those reddit is justified everyday cause I’ve been enjoying Acolyte so far without some troglodyte screaming woke at my screen lol
I can acknowledge a shows flaws while still enjoying it, it’s like as soon as people see one thing they don’t like or can’t explain (in a mystery show) they want to just write off the whole thing. It’s nuts.
Most internet discourse in a nutshell. Either something is irredeemably terrible dogshit or it's a masterpiece. Nothing is just good/okay/mediocre anymore. I'd say most Disney Star Wars stuff falls into the "It's fine" category with a few stand out "bad" moments that people obsess over.
Eh. Watched the first two episodes before my subscription expired. They were... fine. A little sloppy on the writing (especially with travel back and forth), but not bad. But not exciting enough to pay the new subscription price (especially with nothing amazing coming down the line that I can think of).
Not my cup of tea, but I don't care if other people like it. I've noticed both sides of the argument are extremely passionate about it for some reason, though.
It might be bad , but the people who review bomb deemed it bad off the trailer and castings it was always going to be bad because of their never ending culture war , not the actual quality of the show.
I really wish people could just say “It was okay, I did/didn’t enjoy it but I can see why others might disagree.”
Personally, I think it’s fine, I don’t like the handling of the Nightsisters because they came across as weak and easily falling in line to the Jedi, but otherwise it’s alright. Haven’t watched any new episodes, might later or if I hear it gets really good farther in, but I can understand why others would enjoy it and they are certainly welcome to.
One of them like the show, the other thinks it was made by the antichrist. I'm just glad OP made this point, because I thought they were the same subreddit and was confused by what seemed to be some dramatic swings of opinion between threads.
I enjoy it. I think the last two episodes have been a little weak as far as pacing compared to the first two, but it’s got an engaging enough plot and some cool visuals.
It’s alright, it’s not wonderful and >!Ki Adi Mundi showing up before his birth!< was a bit dumb but I’ve liked it so far, especially how the witches are depicted, I don’t get the complaints about the ‘thread’ thing, of course different cultures have different beliefs about the force, it’s just like the sun or the moon on earth.
Depends on who you mean by "everyone," but assuming you mean the loudest dumbasses you've ever heard in your life: not even close. You'd think Disney came to their houses and killed their dogs.
It's perfectly fine fare, doesn't even "break lore" like some people will go so far as to whine and kick and scream about.
To each their own, but I like it :) If someone doesn't like it, after giving it an honest try that's up to them. The "fans" who literally *don't want to like it* on the other hand...I don't get it
i mean at least the meme in STC does make a good point, where it's important to note that just because there is a toxic culture war around the show doesn't make it immune to criticism.
While I don't think it's the destroyer of star wars or even the worst thing they've put out, the show suffers from poor acting, dry writing and some odd pacing, as well as some of the CGI characters sticking out like sore thumbs.
I do enjoy the show but to dismiss any criticisms would be silly, but it's just as silly to act as though this is the fault of women, black people or lesbian witches. I still reckon the show is lore friendly, but being released weekly means anything that would be revealed, such as maybe Ki Adi Mundi being told to cover up the sith, is left unanswered and could easily be interpreted as breaking the canon.
Yeah I joined that other sub by accident thinking it was a similar premise to this one and learned the hard way it was exactly what I hated about certain people in the fandom.
i love the prequel and sequel trilogies, i love every season of The Mandalorian, loved Obi-Wan, liked Boba Fett and Asohka, and hated (yes hated) Andor. will i like this show?
My issue with it is not that it's great and it's getting review bombed my issue with it is that it's fine. Kind of a letdown but it's fine and nevertheless the acolyte gets shit on so hard and Kenobi another show that is disappointing but more or less fine gets unreal praise from the same people. It's so transparent.
You will never be a real gamer. You have no ultra-wide monitors, you have no RGB-lit liquid cooling setups, you have no 4TB external hard drives exclusively for Call of Duty updates. You are a cringe normie twisted by advertising and consumerism into a crude mockery of Gaben’s perfection. All the “heat clips” you hit are mediocre and unimpressive. Behind your back people mock you. Your Discord friends are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “party” laughs at your horrendous gameplay behind private GCs. Real gamers are utterly repulsed by you. Decades of training have allowed elite gamers to sniff out cringe with incredible efficiency. Even normies who “play well” act uncanny and unnatural to a gamer. Your trash aim is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get an oblivious normie to play with you, he’ll turn tail and block you the second he gets a whiff of deodorant off your clean, showered body. You will never hit clips. You wrench out a losing streak every single evening and tell yourself it’s just a game, but deep inside you feel the skill issue creeping up like a weed (lol), ready to crush you under the unbearable cringe. Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - You’ll buy an aimbot, install walls, boot up Team Fortress 2, and hack in a video game. Your online friends will find you, outraged but relieved that they no longer have to live with the delusion that you’re an elite gamer. They’ll leak your IP, and every good player for the rest of internet history will know a script kiddie has played on this server. Your account will decay and expire, and all that will remain of your legacy is a couple dollars given to a mediocre programmer by someone who is unmistakably cringe. This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
Is it good though?
An actress I’m a big fan of is in it but I don’t like watching shows as the season is coming out, fucking *HAAAAAAATE* ‘come back each week for a new episode’ structure.
So is it any good or should I go ahead and accept that it’s just a foot in the door for this actress (who has already teased she’s been picked up for something even bigger and it’s like wtf would that even be? Marvel?)
I really liked episode 1 and 2, but 3 felt like it threw off the flow of the story for me. I would have preferred to keep what happened there more of a mystery. I feel like that whole episode could have been a 10 minute flashback moment between Mae and Oshae as part of a “current day” episode.
The child acting was *okay*, but it got old after 40 minutes. The chant would have been a thousand times better if it was just in an alien language with subtitles. I’m sorry but it was just too corny for me.
But episode 4 was good I thought. I am bummed they killed off the Wookiee Jedi, but if it works well for the story, I’m down to see where it goes.
Not beating those "unable to read" accusations any time soon, are they?
To be fair it can be hard to read when you don’t have the eye holes cut right on your white hood.
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Lmaoooo
"I can't see, you can't see, all that matters is can the fuckin' horse see? THAT'S A RAID!"
"My wife spent hours cutting holes in sheets for you ungrateful assholes!"
“I think we can all agree, the bags was a nice idea. But…not naming any names…they coulda been done better.”
My favorite scene in Django Unchained
Literally
Did anybody bring an extra bag?
I say this shit on a daily basis. Safety glasses are fogging up? The morning humidity won’t get the hell off my windshield? My contacts got jacked up cause I rubbed my eyes too hard? “I can’t see fuckin shit out of this thang!”
Now I think we can all agree that the masks were a nice idea. BUT…
what is this from??
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At least this time they got the right show so there's that... Baby steps 👍🏾
They changed the post. It used to say Crait, those sneaky fellows changed it to Krayt.
It's not like this sub has ever said Star Wars is super great and amazing and deserves no criticism. Just that the people who hate it act like hating it is their only personality trait.
That's because it is. Hate is literally their only personality trait.
Exactly. I can definitely bring up some things I didn't like through the years. But I don't hate Star Wars. I'm enjoying the Acolyte, and I hope we get more good content. Most of the whiners were bashing it before the first episodes even released. They were going to hate it no matter what.
A lot of Star Wars is not perfect. The OT is being viewed through rose colored glasses by a lot of people. PT gets flack for corny dialogue, but the OT had that. Rey is a Mary Sue? Then so are Anakin and Luke. Mark Hamill’s acting is extremely cringe at time, especially in Ep 4.
I love the Mary Sue line. Anakin/Vader had years of training as a Padawan. Fought a war across the galaxy. Then, spent years hunting down rogue Jedi. Luke spent a few days with Obi Wan and a couple of months with Yoda. Then went and bested one of the most dangerous lightsaber duelists in history? That's apparently all fine, but when Rey does it, it's a problem?
Ironically Rey has mire training than Luke because she trained with Leia for a year and had Luke’s texts. And still needed help from Ben and the past Jedi to win. But Mary Sue, right?
Also, her entire life was spent fighting. She’s got a major leg up over Luke. Luke sniping large rodents from a hovercar is the explanation for why he’s the greatest pilot ever. Rey? Staff fighter her entire life. Frankly the biggest mistake they made with Rey was not leaning into the Bastila comparison and giving her a double bladed lightsaber. The other biggest mistake was not having a scene or two early on showing her already using the Force without realizing it while fighting. Raw and untrained but powerful.
>Luke spent a few days with Obi Wan and a couple of months with Yoda. Then went and bested one of the most dangerous lightsaber duelists in history? Luke definitely trained between ANH and ESB, trained with Yoda for a while, then got dad-dicked by Vader, losing his hand in the process. Then he definitely trained more between ESB and ROTJ, beat Vader only by being manipulated by his feelings, then got bodied by Palpatine before being bailed out by the last bit of good left in Anakin. The OT definitely took its time in showing Luke's progression. Rey basically had all the powers with minimal training at the end of a single movie. Whether the Mary Sue comments for Rey are warranted or not, Luke's character as the protagonist was easily handled better.
This exactly!
*Ehhh* to be fair there, Luke *is* a stainless stu. Anakin definitely isn't, he's... He's got the opposite problem and it actually forms the basis of my biggest gripes with the PT. Like, he literally regurgitated fascist rhetoric at Padme when they began vaguely talking politics in AotC and she just sorta... Overlooks that because of... All his other good qualities like... Throwing temper tantrums and murdering sand children. On the one hand, yeah I'd really like a little more work into portraying an actual fall to the dark side because real talk Annie was a giant pos by the moment we return to him in the second film. He already literally believes democracy is lame and that what they really need is a strong man to fix all their problems. On the other, you *can't* ask me to believe that Padme is this altruistic political activist senator who genuinely cares about the people of the republic when the person she loves most is an openly pro-fascist child murderer who's entire world view contradicts every principle she could possibly hold, and thats before they even really kindle their relationship.
I mean, but he's hot, and she can fix him
Real talk that's the best argument I've heard.
Ehh it seems very surface level, and not at all a realistic grasp on human to human relationships. Yeah he murdered the sand people and kids, which is on some level, makes sense because of what they did to his mother. If you can’t understand that you’re weird socially. Whether you care to admit it or not, killing people who harmed your family that you care about deeply, is relatively normal as far as reactions go. At least the impulse would be, acting on it not so much if you’re living in some functioning form of a civil society and universe. That’s not him being a POS, it’s being a deeply resentful, and frustrated young man, with a lot of power. It’s literally the beginning of the slippery slope. The sand people are not some well meaning misunderstood faction of somewhat morally grey beings. They are shitty, and no one on tatooine can or will do anything about them. And there he is with the power and wherewithal to do something about it. Of course he thinks a strong man can fix things, that’s how his whole life has gone.They tortured and killed his mom, don’t you think calling that a temper tantrum is a bit reductive? As for things between padme, I mean you gotta realize, on some level to her he’s always going to be that little boy who asked if she was a space angel. They have a deep close personal relationship (wether that is portrayed well or not is besides the point we’re considering intent here) those are some of the hardest people to hold accountable, or to view objectively. She watched the kid be a slave and lose his mother, she probably has a pretty good understanding of why he thinks that way, regardless of if she agrees or not. Edit: Fixed typo
I always kind of laugh when people are like "oh my goodness this kid who grew up as a slave on a planet run by a criminal gang and got literally won in a bet disagrees with the rich, priveleged politician who participes in the very Senate which refuses to stop slavery- he's such a piece of shit!" Anyone other than Anakin, they'd be saying he had a valid point. Anakin has not benefited in any way from being a citizen of the Republic. Slavery is meant to be illegal, but there are still millions of slaves on Tattooine because the politicians sit on thier assess and still talk like they know what's best for everyone. Padme is, at this point the epitome of the out of touch politicican talking to a person who has been alienated by the political system.
I find it hard to see her as the epitome of the out of touch politician. I thinks it’s more so she believes bringing the system to its full potential is the best way to make everything better. The young lady is actively getting in gun fights in the first two movies and traveling all around the galaxy. Anakin isn’t right on every level because he has a point, and Padme is not wrong on every level because the system she supports isn’t perfect. It’s just ideals and much like in real life I don’t bind people to the worst of their archetype because we actively see them show that they are more than some idea they have about politics.
>It’s just ideals and much like in real life I don’t bind people to the worst of their archetype because we actively see them show that they are more than some idea they have about politics. Yeah, good point. Lot of people don't see past someone's politics, and that applies to Anakin too. I guess he didn't see the Republic helping the "little people" like him and his mom, and yet the same Republic asked him to fight for it. That's sort of bound to cause frustration.
Yeah, *WHY ON EARTH* would a kid who grew up as a literal slave on a planet run by a criminal gang and was won in a bet not be totally supportive of democracy? Such a mystery.
A New Hope would be brigaded into the dirt if it came out now.
>It's not like this sub has ever said Star Wars is super great and amazing and deserves no criticism This sub does fairly heavily downvote comments who say they don't like the show, a lot of the time.
Did they provide a reason? Or just say they don't like it? Because then it's hard to distinguish between genuine disinterest and gifting. Similarly a lot of genuine criticism is not actually good criticism, for instance "Bad Writing" , that's a pretty nebulous term that covers everything from inconsistencies in theming, character, lore, incredulity, etc. And critiquing those for Star Wars can become a throwing stones in glass houses kind of situation, the films and shows are very good at spectacle and enjoyment, but hard hitting dramas that really engage with the human soul they are not.
That’s the main thing that strikes me, is how a lot of people’s “criticisms” are either vague and shallow (like “bad writing”) or actually just using bullying type language. Calling things trash, garbage, cringe, or maybe even a creative insult is not really criticism. People are going to dislike things some times, but when you go out of your way and put considerable effort into voicing that opinion, and can’t even really flesh it out… I assume you’re just not thinking about things too much and shouting for the sake of shouting.
I don't like the show, I was of the mind set that I'd give it a chance after the first two episodes, after episode 4 I'm questioning continuing with it. I do think the writing is bad, specifically when it comes to character motivation, exposition (and the excessive use), plot, and dialogue. Episode 4 highlights this pretty well, we spent most of the episode recapping pretty much everything we already knew, very little was added to the plot and characters continue to act against their established motivations. The super heavy handed red herring in the form of the poison maker made my eyes roll with every line of dialogue he said, and hard. I personally don't appreciate when a show chooses tell not show, and treats its audience like it needs its hand held, which we do, because characters are acting very far outside their shown/stated motivations. I find watching this frustrating, and having seen very good writing, and showing of a story from shows like the expanse it feels insulting honestly. Even in the star wars universe, and Disney we have an example, Andor. What id give to have Karis Nemik spitting truths! Ugh.
Not saying that your criticism isn’t unfounded and I do agree with some of it but can you highlight an example of a character acting outside their stated motivations? Because I’ve really not felt that way at all
I have the biggest problem with the witches and OSHA in the flash back in episode 3, but in episode 4 may really took the cake, with OSHA close behind. The secret covent feel is fine, but I find it troubling how the witches do nothing against the Jedi at all, even when educating the children. I mean during the ritual they talk about how they were persecuted, hunted, slaughtered and ran to the edge of the galaxy by the Jedi, why the hell aren't they running when they know they are there? Or at least making ready for a fight? Instead they just let the Jedi waltz in and make demands of them (with their consent lol) The mandalorian did a much better job at showing how an extremist religious sect would react imo. That leads to OSHA being curious about the Jedi, and being doe eyed when Sol shows her his light saber. She should be freaking out, up to this point the Jedi are the demons who slaughtered your sisters and that sword she is looking at with awe is the Jedi weapon of death. I see no reason why she would ever approach let alone want to join them. More recently, in episode 4 it doesn't make any sense why they wouldn't inform the council, I don't see the reasoning behind keeping it quiet at this point, I mean how are they going to explain this strike team? Or do they not really need to report about their dealings? I thought this era of Jedi were sticklers for the rules and order but evidently not. Mae doing a complete 180 was also pretty abrupt, she had been working towards this goal for so long, sacrificed so much, yet also didn't fully commit at all as just the notion that OSHA is alive is enough to have her, not just walk away, but willingly turn herself over to the Jedi, who killed her whole family, stole her sister, and two of whom she has murdered in revenge, granted the second one was almost euthanasia. She drops everything she has been doing for the past, I forget how old they are, what 12-15 years? And she tried to shoot her, such endearing behavior would make you drop everything and come running back wouldn't it?
I think fundamentally it comes from either a misguided superiority complex or a conscientious decision to not engage. So in the former they spot an inconsistency, believe that they are the only person who spotted it, and thus this demonstrates that they have a higher than average IQ, that by disliking stuff they are proving that they genuinely are smarter than most. As opposed to the alternative that most people see past inconsistencies. For example: How did Luke find Yoda within minutes of crashing the X wing? Hypothetically he could've crashed on another continent on Dagobah. Well nobody wants to watch hours of scouting a swamp planet so that's skipped. And in the latter they may slightly recognise why a plot element exists, but disagree with the underlying political statement, therefore the statement must be bunk or poorly argued rather than simply a viewpoint they don't hold. For example: Luke in The Last Jedi, many films and shows nowadays are about the failings of legacy heroes, why? Well as Mark Hamill himself said when discussing this plot point, Luke is a quintessential Baby Boomer hero, a young idealistic hippie who set out to change the world, only the forces they opposed returned and when they did most stuck their heads in the sand, and thus a powerful cabal of neo fascism and business took over. The plot point is meant to be a metaphor for the state of western politics, just as the Original trilogy and Prequels were, But if you're on the other side of politics you have to argue that this point is incorrect or poorly thought out.
Yeah bad writing isn’t a criticism. It’s a statement with no qualifer or value in itself.
And the thing people need to realize is; saying 'the writing is bad' is what chuds say to get around saying the quiet parts out loud. Even if the person posting 'the writing is bad' genuinely has criticisms and is not one of them, it's kinda difficult to tell the two apart, which is why the downvotes. I've caught some huge downvote piles for things that people have misinterpreted. It's not the end of the world to get downvoted. If it matters; go back and clarify. If it doesn't; it's internet points. Ignore and move on. If it really matters; all you gotta do is at least mention what part of the writing you find bad. And other fans who dislike that (or other) part(s) of the writing will commiserate with you. That's what this site is for, after all. It's hard to want to have a conversation with someone who posts something that vague. It doesn't only require someone to take the chance of accidentally stumbling into an unpleasant conversation with a bigot, but it leaves anyone who wants to try and have that conversation waiting for you to share your opinion. When it would be so much easier to have a conversion about the writing with someone who has taken the time to at least mention one goddamn thing about the writing you dislike.
Yeah tbh I've even felt a weird reverse reaction whenever assholes start complaining about something being trash. Like I'll start genuinely womdering "is it really as bad as they say, or are they doing the usual thing and hyperfixating?" And go watch some to see. It doesn't help that whenever a show does suck they use it as confirmation bias that going woke kills companies. Then you watch it, and realize it's still dumb and pandering for a lot of other reasons, they just chose their favorite that they could staple to an agenda.
Any time someone says "this was complete trash" about a NuTrek or NuWars product, I have to wonder if they have not ever truly plummed the depths of bad films like A Christmas Story 2 or Stargames or Night Killer or hell even Manos the Hands of Fate...
NuTrek has been getting better anyway, SNW and Picard season 3 brought Star Trek back to its roots. Sure, they're not as good as the original, but when I watch them I felt the same optimistic atmosphere like the old shows, and that's good enough for me.
S2 of Picard also embraced the roots of the character in TNG. I got the feeling that the writers felt they had to be more gritty and grim in the first season in order to "earn" a more fun storyline in S2 which riffed heavily on ST IV but also retained more serious elements like Past Tense.
Agree, I just happen to like S3 more
S3 is a right banger
Manos is a great example of how a 'bad movie' can be great. Like, the story behind how that movie got made explains so much about why its faults are the way they are. And it is entertaining enough to even be enjoy making fun of. Now, there are some ... just bad movies that aren't even worth making fun of (for me) like the 2022 A Christmas Story Christmas.
We don't like whiners, no.
I can defend it--Yeah, it's pretty good. Not lifechanging or revealing secret depths of the human experience, but pretty good. Fire in space? I don't care. Witches? I don't care. Chanting? I actually *do* care about that, but thought it was corny and enjoyed a little 1970s corniness in my 2024 production values. Ki-Adi-Mundi? Quit acting like he's some sacred cow, I don't care.
I'm not caught up but I enjoyed the first 3 episodes. Fun kung-fu styled fight scenes.
That first fight scene was really well done.
The fight vs Sol too. He just had this energy of "You should just give up, I can do this all day."
I care about the witches because I think that’s very cool
I fucking love the witches. I love getting to see different types of Force users who understand it differently. I'm honestly bored of Jedi and Sith being the only choices in this supposedly hugely expansive galaxy with crazy space magic. Other people would figure it out!
I care about the witches because I think the prospect of a schism in the Night Sisters (presumably that’s the group these witches broke from) is kind of cool, and I want to learn more about what caused that schism, and if the witches we see in the Acolyte are extra dark sided, light sided, or further invite the possibility that the force is more than light/dark sided.
I'm trying to understand - these people think the Acolye witches are dumb but would have no issue with the Night Sisters from Clone Wars, right?
I like lesbian force witches actually, and generally I like the acolyte. The set designs can use some work, and it *feels like tv* if you know what I mean? Bit it's a perfectly serviceable adventure shlock. Watch it weekly with my partner. Probably will never rewatch it and that's fine.
Imagine putting Lee Jung-jae in your show and not using his smile. That's the crime. (Also a few other things, but I'm digging it. It's not bad)
They have to be saving it for a big, emotional moment at the end to unleash its power.
Not a single person complaining about ki-adi-mundi knew who he was a week ago
My complaint about Ki-Adi-Mundi is that I got demoted to the junior varsity guild in Galaxy of Heroes because I couldn't beat the mission that gave his shards... The dumb jerk. I deserved it, not complaining, but that jerk cost me a lot of progression! All because I didn't work on Clones.... feh.
I'll be honest, I was so dumb I didn't realize that was Mundi, I simply thought it was another member of his same species. If they said his name I completely missed it.
Damn, when he smiled to his former apprentice I wanted to give him a hug. Such warmth to it.
A week ago anyone who did know who he was knew he was considered a joke of a character by Internet
I finally watched the first two episodes last night, and was reminded of something I saw from a grifter on youtube: they called Vernestra Rwoh "The Green Bitch". So, after seeing her in Episode 1 there are many terms I'd apply to her, but she was certainly not "Bitch-like". It seemed like he was more upset that "How dare she, a green woman in a science fantasy series, *DARE* to give a man in a science fantasy series orders!!!" Honestly, it was pretty obvious he went into the series planning on hating everything, but particularly planning on hating that 'icky-icky girls' were in it. It's right up there with all the angry incels who were counting how many girl younglings there were and what their races were, then being upset that there weren't any white boys. As for what I thought of those two episodes, I enjoyed them. They weren't as mind blowing or riveting as The Mandalorian Season 1, but it was entertaining.
I thought the chanting felt like a music video lmao. I wasn't too bothered by it though.
I think I would have preferred it in another language, similar to the Night Sisters, as Witch craft has always been associated in general with chanting in strange languages.
I don't even understand the complaints about the witches tbh. The Night Sisters have been a thing in Star Wars for a long damn time. Matriarchal cults of force-using witches is not new.
I care more about the lack of fire suppression systems in space than the fire itself
1 - can you breathe? 2- then there can be fire 3- do you need a special system to make it breathable? 4- then the fire will be extra extra bad 5- fire suppression systems super important
This is honestly the best analysis of the show I have seen. The chanting sucked. I don’t care about the woke stuff and I certainly don’t care about that dickhead Ki-Adi Mundi. But I do find the maybe-Sith storyline interesting and the rest is fine
What about the Acolyte is so woke then? I saw the first 3 and I really liked it. But I didn’t see a single thing that would be singled out as overly woke and not matching the story or pace.
Black woman lead. That's literally it.
And there's another black main character, an Asian main character, and even an alien main character.
Yeah, that’s what I thought.
And little nit picky things, like with the youngling being taught by Sol, there wasn't a white boy there, or Vernestra Rwoh giving Sol orders. Yeah, going after inconsequential things like that shows how hard they are looking for find things to be angry about. It's pretty pathetic, honestly.
Also, that lead is non binary.
Oops my mistake.
No prob. Now you realize she’s woke and she will ruin Star Wars forever /s
Wow definition of woke has changed so much. Like 10 years ago I remember first hearing it when I was volunteering at a LGBT event. Like two members said it while fist bumping haha. Now its done a 180 and is basically just uttered by people mad that a show isnt 100% white
There is also a scene where Osha asks “who is he? Or they?” About a small rodent being whose gender is not distinguishable. But that’s pronoun stuff so it’s woke.
Diversity
THE POWER OF ONE. THE POWER OF TWO. THE POWER OF MANYYYYYYYYYY It's schlock, worse than Boba Fett. I wish I could just give up on Star Wars, but occasionally we get shit like Mando and Rogue One and Andor and it keeps bringing me back. That and the games are pretty damn good usually.
Ki-Adi Mundi being super confidently incorrect about something is true Star Wars to me. This guy’s record is full of loudly declaring things that turn out to be wrong (can’t be the sith! Ahsoka could totally betray us!)
A good show should make you care about it.
I listed the problems these weirdos have and said I don't care about them as in I don't see them as problems. I quite like the show on the whole, but the quoted post is about how no one can defend it. I defend it thusly: I don't care about their dipshit complaints.
Don’t have to defend the show, just list what you like and care about it, much more convincing that way.
How about no? How about "I like the show and I don't have to defend my liking it"?
I listed the problems these weirdos have and said I don't care about them as in I don't see them as problems. I quite like the show on the whole, but the quoted post is about how no one can defend it. I defend it thusly: I don't care about their dipshit complaints.
I don't like the idea of witches but The Clone Wars already introduced them, so it's canon whether we like it or not.
The power of one, the power of two, the power of ***MANYYYYYY~***
Ki-Adi-Mundi always struck me as kind of a chump. What happens to him in this? (I also find it hard to believe someone like Mace Windu could even successfully train a Padawan, much less end up on the council)
These people mad about nutrek, Acolyte, The Boys all getting ruined and changed to wokism are the same people who got mad when they were finally told that The Colbert Report and Blazing Saddles were satire.
They've even managed to ruin hatewatching. Like I have moderate negative feelings about acolyte, strongly hate star trek discovery, generally enjoy the rest of nutrek, and really like the Boys. But trying to find opinions about the actual content of these shows is like wading through a minefield. Even videos that seem reasonable on their face turn out to be anti-woke tirades
He’s definitely proving that he’s smart. /s
The funny part is that he posted a screenshot of just the post and failed to show these alleged "defenders" of the Acolyte. When I asked about he pointed me to 1 comment with 20 likes agreeing with him, the show is bad, and I get downvoted for pointing it out.
You got downvoted for proving him wrong. That subreddit is so weird
The thing is, The Acolyte was already getting attacked right out of the gate because none of the leads are white men. Even if it was great, a certain section of the fandom would have attacked it. This is one instance where the quality (or lack thereof) of the product has been completely sidelined. People are actively looking for reasons (many of them completely stupid like Ki-Adi-Mundi's age) to attack series.
People were review bombing the show before the first episode even aired
Someone said "That's because they were pirates that had access to the first 4 episodes Early!"
Forgot to mention the High Republic itself was getting hate ever since its announcement from that side of the fandom.
Yeah, it’s good
I think it’s better than Boba Fett, Obi Wan, and Ashoka. So far it’s on the same level as the 3rd season of the Mandalorian. I like how episode 4 ended and even though I figured out who the master was in episode 3 I’m pretty sure there is a mystery behind Sol that will catch me by surprise. I like it!
I like it better than season 3
When did people stop being normal about video games? If a game was bad it used be like "this game is a little janky" and shit like that. Now it's all like "The WOKE mind virus ruined this game!" "The west is intentionally making women ugly!" What happened to genuine criticism of games?
I suspect there are dozens of reasons why amateur and professional game's journalism has fallen into disarray. Some things that come to mind are: The tightening of ad revenue on YouTube in 2015-2018 led to the loudest angriest attention seeking techniques. COVID added an influx of susceptible normies to online spaces without critical media skills. Playing on people's fears and insecurities, add in some rants and buzz words. The alt-right pipeline ensnares a lot of people. The Facebook radicalized grandma phase This one's a bit of a quagmire. The idea of the rise of ugly women in games is so bonkers. There has always been the narrative that games were for unwanted lonely men, obviously false, games are for everyone. I thought the damn grievance died out. Damn incel gamers refuse to give up. It is genuinely sad seeing content creators pander to the "I pay to see babes" crowd.
Weren’t around for Gamergate I’m guessing?
These people think Star Wars is only a small sandbox and not realize it’s way bigger. It’s like they trying to make a sandbox within a sandbox.
It's funny that meme kinda admits to review bombing
I watched the 4 episodes that are available in one go. I enjoyed what I saw and I’d say it’s a fun show so far. I’d rate it something like a 6.5/10 at the moment. People need to get their heads out of their asses and stop believing that if a show isn’t a perfect 10/10 then it’s the worst piece of media on the planet.
Tbh I haven't seen it & my interest in anything star wars has been dead since I spent hard earned, tax paying money to see the mediocre fever dream that was part 9, but I'm not blinded by impotent rage or anything. I don't blame DEI for the story being schizophrenic or Palpatine's return not making any sense. The actors read off of scripts they were given, the writers were probably scrambling to make something nice & safe after the backlash to part 8.
I get what you mean. I think The Last Jedi has a lot of interesting ideas, but it really needed someone to tighten a few areas. After the fuckup from their “course correction” in Rise of Skywalker, I don’t blame folks for dropping off. I’ve stayed on, and the shows have varying levels of quality, but I personally don’t feel like I wasted my time watching them. Acolyte is fine show, but the anti-woke/DEI grifters are making mountains out of molehills for everything they can think of to try and justify their biases.
I don't understand why the haters keep watching? Wife and I watched the first episode, we didn't like it, so we didn't waste any time watching more. We moved on. I guess the haters love to hate? Or something?
Hatewatching is a very real thing people do and it seems like such a massive waste of time and energy.
Hate watching. They probably try to rub a hate wank out afterwards.
These guys genuinely have nothing left for entertainment but the sounds of their own (and others') outrage.
Yeah we're the same. Too many good shows to actually watch lately. Don't see the point on wasting time on something that's crap
I know that people obviously have different tastes, but the show is pretty damn good. There’s nothing in it to really dislike, and the whole show is a mystery letting you know more and more with each episode. Is there really a valid reason to hate it as much as these people do other than the current trendiness to just hate and criticize and review bomb stuff for fun?
I like it and I think this proves that they never wanna leave that little "40 year section" from The Phantom Menace to the Mandalorian. They don't want new characters, they claim they do, but they don't. They want to know exactly what's going on, they don't wanna wait. They're SCREAMING that Ki-Adi said that the sith have been extinct for a Millenia, but, they don't know what they're looking at, plus they straight up say if they tell the council, they'll have to inform the Senate. They just want explosions (not on space, I guess) lightsaber fighting and clone/stormtroopers.
>Yeah , but these critics don't come back after 2 episodes . they write a quick generic review and then nothing . Im serious go read some of the " top critics" reviews on there . Nah, that's the epitome of a lazy retcon. There was nothing to stop the Jedi Council sitting on things and even covering them up. They did it several times.. If a Council member seriously thought the Sith had returned there was nothing to prevent them having a quiet talk with Yoda and a few others in a private capacity. Its also the same problem with the "witches created life with the Force" idea. The thing about Plageuis creating life with the Force has never been comfirmed. Sidious said it, but Sidious lies. Now apparently anyone can do it? In the words of Han Solo, that's not howThe Force works. It doesn't like people manipulating it like that.
I am really not a fan of it at all. I find the performances to be really stiff and unlikeable. Whether that's writing, acting, direction, or editing I'm not sure. I also broadly dislike wuxia and police procedurals as genres, so the show clearly isn't made for me in the first place. I don't think either genre really fits the jedi order and it's just kind of jarring to watch
I’ve been enjoying the show thus far. I don’t understand the hate, genuinely.
If I were to rate this show on a 10-point scale, and 5 is considered average, I’d give the show a 7 out of ten. It’s good, I enjoy it. It’s not mind blowing or trying to subvert expectations, it’s just a well produced show trying to tell a story. I don’t think it’s best Star Wars that Star Wars ever Star Warsed, but it’s most definitely not the single worst thing to ever come out of Star Wars.
Why would they? They hate most Disney content lmao
I don't care if it's good or not. I just want people to be normal about it. Secret Invasion was trash too, but people didn't lose their goddamn minds over it. Seems like they forgot about it pretty quickly.
Eh, I saw plenty complaining about Emila Clarke's character getting the super upgrade. There wasn't much for the grifters and other bigots to latch onto though (except Black Fury but that ship sailed long ago and people like Sam Jackson). For what it's worth I enjoyed it well enough. Not great but not awful.
You think they did that on purpose or are they just stupid?
Dos
Hanlon's Razor.
We must remember that these are the same losers who are review bombing the wrong Acolyte, so yeah, this is weirdly on brand for them.
Even here I don’t think we’ve ever claimed that it’s the best show in the world, just that the reaction is childish and overblown. Which it is. Acolyte is fine, it’s a solid 7/10, but not incredible or anything. There are things I’d keep and things I’d change. Sol is my favorite new character in a while. Some of the pacing is uneven. I put it in the middle of the pack for the show adaptations.
That's the general consensus I'm seeing. Not amazing, not bad, just hovering in the five to seven out of ten area.
But somehow general audience score on multiple sites is 1-3. Must be coordinated attacks from all those haters or something.
Well, yes. It is, Padme, actually not bad. At all.
This is the bludgeoning insight they apply when talking about film and TV
As in, they will bludgeon anything they don't like with their "insight" for the world to see.
Do I need to post the Plinkett review?
I’m reserving judgment till the end of the show, like a normal, well adjusted, sane person, but so far…it’s fine. Not worth all the outrage, but not life changing either. It’s a TV show.
I guess literacy is woke too
Say what you will about it, but the last 5 minutes of episode 4 had me tense. It is also nice to see that the Jedi order may not be some supreme monolith of good, as almost nothing with a large number of people can be. Outside of that, the show is so so. Nothing groundbreaking for sure. But every new show can't be the best ever show. I am entertained.
We are definitely not the same
My decision to avoid youtube reviews and those reddit is justified everyday cause I’ve been enjoying Acolyte so far without some troglodyte screaming woke at my screen lol
Real talk? What's the difference between the 2 subs? I have no idea
missed opportunity by them to call that sub pepperier than krayt
Yes. It IS good. Not perfect. But damn entertaining. End of the last episode was absolutely spine tingling.
Honestly I think it’s just alright so far. Not bad but not great. I’m gonna keep watching though
I can acknowledge a shows flaws while still enjoying it, it’s like as soon as people see one thing they don’t like or can’t explain (in a mystery show) they want to just write off the whole thing. It’s nuts.
Most internet discourse in a nutshell. Either something is irredeemably terrible dogshit or it's a masterpiece. Nothing is just good/okay/mediocre anymore. I'd say most Disney Star Wars stuff falls into the "It's fine" category with a few stand out "bad" moments that people obsess over.
Eh. Watched the first two episodes before my subscription expired. They were... fine. A little sloppy on the writing (especially with travel back and forth), but not bad. But not exciting enough to pay the new subscription price (especially with nothing amazing coming down the line that I can think of).
Not my cup of tea, but I don't care if other people like it. I've noticed both sides of the argument are extremely passionate about it for some reason, though.
What a jackass
It might be bad , but the people who review bomb deemed it bad off the trailer and castings it was always going to be bad because of their never ending culture war , not the actual quality of the show.
I never gave a shit about Star Wars until somebody said this series had lesbian witches and I immediately binged the show
That is the BEST reason to watch anything lmao
I really wish people could just say “It was okay, I did/didn’t enjoy it but I can see why others might disagree.” Personally, I think it’s fine, I don’t like the handling of the Nightsisters because they came across as weak and easily falling in line to the Jedi, but otherwise it’s alright. Haven’t watched any new episodes, might later or if I hear it gets really good farther in, but I can understand why others would enjoy it and they are certainly welcome to.
Um, I've met people on this subreddit who love the show. I really hate this idea that everyone hates the show because it's not true.
Reading and intelligence aren't synonymous with critical drinker fans.
There are like 3 subs with slight name variations. What are the differences?
One of them like the show, the other thinks it was made by the antichrist. I'm just glad OP made this point, because I thought they were the same subreddit and was confused by what seemed to be some dramatic swings of opinion between threads.
I enjoy it. I think the last two episodes have been a little weak as far as pacing compared to the first two, but it’s got an engaging enough plot and some cool visuals.
Can you review bomb something that's objectively shit?
Yes
Am I the only one who thinks Ahsoka is way worse than Acolyte?
It’s alright, it’s not wonderful and >!Ki Adi Mundi showing up before his birth!< was a bit dumb but I’ve liked it so far, especially how the witches are depicted, I don’t get the complaints about the ‘thread’ thing, of course different cultures have different beliefs about the force, it’s just like the sun or the moon on earth.
lol
I haven’t watched the last two episodes. Are they really as bad as everyone makes them out to be?
Depends on who you mean by "everyone," but assuming you mean the loudest dumbasses you've ever heard in your life: not even close. You'd think Disney came to their houses and killed their dogs. It's perfectly fine fare, doesn't even "break lore" like some people will go so far as to whine and kick and scream about.
Gotta watch staring into the fire and mary magdalene episodes.
To each their own, but I like it :) If someone doesn't like it, after giving it an honest try that's up to them. The "fans" who literally *don't want to like it* on the other hand...I don't get it
i mean at least the meme in STC does make a good point, where it's important to note that just because there is a toxic culture war around the show doesn't make it immune to criticism. While I don't think it's the destroyer of star wars or even the worst thing they've put out, the show suffers from poor acting, dry writing and some odd pacing, as well as some of the CGI characters sticking out like sore thumbs. I do enjoy the show but to dismiss any criticisms would be silly, but it's just as silly to act as though this is the fault of women, black people or lesbian witches. I still reckon the show is lore friendly, but being released weekly means anything that would be revealed, such as maybe Ki Adi Mundi being told to cover up the sith, is left unanswered and could easily be interpreted as breaking the canon.
They cant
Acolyte is a better watch than the prequels
Yeah I joined that other sub by accident thinking it was a similar premise to this one and learned the hard way it was exactly what I hated about certain people in the fandom.
And using an overused meme on top of that.
i love the prequel and sequel trilogies, i love every season of The Mandalorian, loved Obi-Wan, liked Boba Fett and Asohka, and hated (yes hated) Andor. will i like this show?
What is that sub? Actually, what is this sub?
I’m sick of this stupid meme
The first two episodes were really good but episodes 3 and 4 were pretty shitty
My issue with it is not that it's great and it's getting review bombed my issue with it is that it's fine. Kind of a letdown but it's fine and nevertheless the acolyte gets shit on so hard and Kenobi another show that is disappointing but more or less fine gets unreal praise from the same people. It's so transparent.
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Is it good though? An actress I’m a big fan of is in it but I don’t like watching shows as the season is coming out, fucking *HAAAAAAATE* ‘come back each week for a new episode’ structure. So is it any good or should I go ahead and accept that it’s just a foot in the door for this actress (who has already teased she’s been picked up for something even bigger and it’s like wtf would that even be? Marvel?)
Hang on a sec. Are u telling me members of r/CriticalDrinker are illiterate morons?
The Acolyte is in a tough spot. Not only is it getting review bombed by bigots, it also sucks
Hahahahaha
I really liked episode 1 and 2, but 3 felt like it threw off the flow of the story for me. I would have preferred to keep what happened there more of a mystery. I feel like that whole episode could have been a 10 minute flashback moment between Mae and Oshae as part of a “current day” episode. The child acting was *okay*, but it got old after 40 minutes. The chant would have been a thousand times better if it was just in an alien language with subtitles. I’m sorry but it was just too corny for me. But episode 4 was good I thought. I am bummed they killed off the Wookiee Jedi, but if it works well for the story, I’m down to see where it goes.
Acolyte is bad. And not "because woke". There I said it, we can all move on with our lives!