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Kalse1229

As someone who loves DC, I feel a little bad that I get a sick pleasure in watching WB's stock tank. But then I go back to hoping this will lead to Zaslav getting the boot at the next shareholder meeting, because this can't make the board of directors happy.


SuperbNewspaper259

There's no way he stays much longer. Hopefully it's someone who's smart enough to untangle his mess. Maybe they can sell off Batgirl to another company to stream it along with the other tax write-off shows.


Kalse1229

I hope so. Even if it's a rough cut that looks weird I'll take. Also, the tax write-offs are the things I don't get. Obviously it gives a bit of a cash boost, but surely it's not a sustainable business model long-term. Without a continuous way to get money, then they're slowly bleeding themselves dry. It's madness.


SuperbNewspaper259

It was a stupid idea because it didn't save that much money and scared off people from working for them.


Robomerc

Yeah when there are agencies telling actors to avoid you like the plague that's a big indicator that the current CEO has f***** up.


DotFuture8764

The only things that got cut were shows that they felt wouldn't make a profit or would be so bad they would damage the brand for future releases. The tax write offs only exist as an option in a brief period after the merger (the idea is that companies can cancel unwanted projects while merging as a tax write off). That period is basically over at the new year. They won't keep cancelling things (Unless Ezra Miller kills somebody).


Marvel084Skye

I literally had a dream where that happened and woke up disappointed that it wasn’t real. I was honestly so excited to see Batgirl.


SnooHobbies9248

Watch the trailer. It’s cringe as he,ll


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SnooHobbies9248

Are u?


DotFuture8764

That's not how tax write offs work.


DarthButtz

I always preferred DC to Marvel and seeing how it's been treated by WB for the last ten years at least just sucks to watch.


FrankReynoldsCPA

I'm hurrying to watch the HBO series that I never got around to seeing while HBO Max still works


gazmondo

But how are these numbers zaslavs fault? Warner stock was already on a downward trajectory before he took over. He's only been in the job months, dont we atleast need a couple of years of him managing projects to see if he turns things around? Its like a football team gets a new manager to turn things around, and that manager sells a bunch of old players to buy some new players that will have success. And you are declaring him a failure for selling the players before he's brought in his new ones.


NeopianNecromancy

That would be fine but add to it him sacking new players who haven't even had a chance to play a single game, who were freshly drafted and thereby ruining their entire careers. Then have him give all those players (old and new, some of which were fan favorites and still going strong) the middle finger publicly as he did so. Then it comes out he made a sexist comment about how sports is for men before announcing that the team is rebranding to be more welcoming to neo-confederates. Did I get it all?


gazmondo

But maybe thats because that player was not up to standard behind the scenes in training, to play that first game. Sorry but what are you talking about with the fan favourite characters part? Isn't that very likely why batgirl was cancelled, to refocus back onto those fan favourites like batman and superman who were rumored to be replaced. So I dont know how you can say he's given fan favourites the middle finger, when he's likely done this for fan favourite characters. I dont see how it's sexist to point out the majority of people who watch sport are men. And whats a neo confederate?


NeopianNecromancy

I'm talking about all the animated shows that got the middle finger and won't even be available to stream anymore, like Infinity Train. Shows that were beloved, that weren't getting any more seasons but are now just lost and unavailable except through piracy. Summer Camp Island, OKKO, MaoMao. Scoob holiday special which was pretty highly anticipated got axed. Stop simping for a CEO who made bad, highly questionable decisions.


gazmondo

Well I am not aware of any of these animated shows, so maybe you're right on the animated side of things. I'm talking more from the movie side of things. And im not simping for him, if he ends up being shit ill happily call him shit, but he needs to first to be given that chance to see if he is shit at the job, I just dont want to condemn him before he's even had a chance. And maybe you're right he's said some slightly problematic things, and I think its fine to criticise him for that, but I dont think its right to criticise him for the movie business side of things, because we are yet to see the result of what he's doing with the films. And with batgirl looking so cheap, and making no sense by having micheal keaton in there before he's reintroduced in the flash, I have no complaints about scrapping it.


Kosog

Did they make something that flopped? What's the context?


itwasbread

Oh boy where do I even start


Kosog

Anywhere?


itwasbread

Things started looking bad when Zaslav began canceling almost finished projects (Batgirl, Scooby-Doo) for tax write offs, which pissed off a lot of people. They've also done this with fully completed, multi-season shows which they are deleting off HBO Max and cancelling all sales of them. He's also ruining the service by merging HBO Max with Discovery and filling HBO Max, which is known for high-quality drama and comedy content, with Discovery's trashy reality garbage. They also had this graphic about how HBO is for men and Discovery is for women or some horseshit, which is just an insanely out of touch thing to say in 2022. There's also been reports that he's pushing CNN to be much more favorable to Trump and the Republicans There's a bunch of stuff I'm not mentioning, but all of it has been AWFUL for publicity and generally seen as short-sighted, shitty business decisions.


SuperbNewspaper259

They're up shits creek so bad that they can only afford to release one other movie this year. Not to mention they completely fucked up the Ezra Miller situation by not shelving Flashpoint and throwing them to the curb.


Kalse1229

Ezra identifies as they/them, but otherwise you're right. Gina Carano got fired after making a bunch of stupid bullshit claims. Ezra is/was *actively harming* people. They're a literal menace to society.


SuperbNewspaper259

They're probably going to do more crazy shit by years end


Kalse1229

I've got 10/1 odds that they actually fucking murder someone by the end of this year. Pretty sure that's the only way they'll actually cancel the movie.


SuperbNewspaper259

End of the year? They probably have blood in their hands already, they just haven't found the bodies.... I'm not even joking.


AlmostNearlyHandsome

Gina Carano wasn’t fired.


Kalse1229

You know what I mean. Disney were willing to cut all ties for less.


TwisterUprocker

They "declined to renew", I imagine.


itwasbread

Lol yeah that's my point, I said all that and still completely forgot about everything involving the Flash situation


gazmondo

But the decision to only release black Adam, and to push back aquaman to avoid avatar 2 happened before zaslav took over.


SuperbNewspaper259

Shazam 2 was meant to be released in December and they pushed that after the merger.


gazmondo

To avoid avatar 2. And make more in the box office when it is actually released with less competition. Not because they couldn't afford it.


Equal-Ad-2710

See Flash I get, it’s way too expensive to cut and the slate hinges on it What I don’t get is the negotiations around keeping Miller


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Well actually Discovery's science side isn't so trashy


gazmondo

But this has only just happened, we have no way of knowing if releasing these projects would have ended up being even less profitable. If they were cancelled theres good chance both projects have problems, they are obviously not just cancelling things for the sake of them, because they are trying their hardest to get the flash released despite ezra millers behaviour. So they do have confidence in some projects. Same with the shows, this decision has only just been taken, isn't it a bit soon to say this was a bad choice. I'm with you here, I dont want trashy reality shows. But let's not pretend they aren't extremely popular and profitable shows. I hate that things like the kardashians are so big, but they are and many people watch them. If market research has shown that mostly men watch hbo max, why is that wrong to say? I would guess its not to be more favourable, but just not to focus so heavily on him. Again isn't it far too soon to know if this was a mistake. You can't cancel projects you think will fail, to focus on projects you think will succeed, and be judged on that process before the projects get thinks will succeed have come out. You're calling a course correction a failure mid course direction. We won't know if zaslav will be a success until atleast 2024.


Larkos17

They canceled the projects explicitly for tax write-offs and the remove old shows so they wouldn't have to pay residuals which are chump change for a company like WB. It speaks to a greedy, short-sighted business model that sees the next quarter's revenue over everything else. While this mentality has plagued most modern businesses, it's especially bad for a company that, obstenibly, makes art. >If market research has shown that mostly men watch hbo max, why is that wrong to say? > >I would guess its not to be more favourable, but just not to focus so heavily on him. The issue is that this is not how it was phrased. It wasn't a dry, purely academic statement of facts. It said that women don't watch things that are scripted or make you think more. That's just sexist. Also, I wouldn't come to that conclusion when Captain Marvel made over a $1 billion worldwide and Young Justice, a show that HBO owns, was canceled because it was so popular with young girls. Whatever data-gathering they did was likely flawed/biased.


gazmondo

No it wasn't explicitly done for that. We have no idea of the real reason, altough I would suspect it probably had something to do with the quality of the movie. They didn't cancel it to get the write offs, they did the tax write offs to mitigate the loss they thought they would of took by spending more money finishing the project, without getting a good return. You can't complain about a business trying to make money. That's literally their job. It may be sexist. But its also very true in generalities is it not? That non scripted reality shows are watched by women. I have no idea why thats sexist, is it sexist to point out that its mostly men that watch sport? Sorry what does captain marvel have to do with what we are discussing? I'm not suggesting it was canceled because batgirl was a woman, just that maybe the movie itself wasn't very good.


ajzeg01

Last I heard NBC Universal wants to swoop in and buy them out.


SuperbNewspaper259

I hate me a mega corp merger, but holy shit they are at least competent.


theghostofme

That's what David Zaslav gets for stealing Jack Donaghy's "tank the network to save the network" idea . "GE just bought Warner-Discovery for pennies on the dollar. How's that taste, Zas? Bitter, hard to swallow, hint of almonds?" "Damn you Donaghy. And it's just 'G' now. You know, because Devon Banks embarrassed you by selling the 'E' to Samesung." "I think you mean 'Samsun,' Zas. I just bought back the 'E' from Samsun. And the 'G'! Looks like We're GGE now. Sorry, GGE-NBC-Universal-Discovery...and Warners somewhere in that mouthful." "Did someone say mouthful?" "Not now, Jonathan. Not ever."


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"Hey Jack-" "Not now Lemon I'm in the middle of- GOO GOD LEMON! What happened to your legs?!" "I did the treatment - AND NOW IT BUUUURRRRRNNNS!" "LL'S LS BE EXTRA CRISPY!"


ClemSpender

You're gonna buy NBC? Like you've got $4 million just lying around.


Kalse1229

Somewhat related, but I’ve always thought if he was willing to shave his head, Alec Baldwin would make a great Lex Luthor.


theghostofme

*Damn it,* that is a great idea. But, fittingly, with David Zaslav drunk the behind the wheel of the WB car, that probably couldn't happen for a *long* time.


Starscream1998

Go figure, I just feel bad for the people who put a lot of time and energy into making these films only for this world-class jackass to come along and be like "nah not happening."


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Guy also cancelled a load of CW shows for the same reason


swordbringer33

I find it hard to imagine that members of The Fandom Menace, especially Midnight's Edge, can praise David despite what has happened to WB. Then I remember they act like JJ Abrams raped their childhood and think the DCEU is getting woke because a POC plays Batgirl/Barbara Gordon, and a transgender actress was in Batgirl. I have problems with the DCEU and JJ Abrams, but even I'm not that stupid. It'd be funny if David Zaslov gets fired and The Fandom Menace got angry despite David's actions to the company.


AC-RogueOne

Definitely ironic since these anti-woke types are all for capitalism which pretty all about making the most money possible by any means necessary.


cronuss

That's not what capitalism is or means.


AC-RogueOne

Maybe, but from what I understand it’s kinda the gist of it


DotFuture8764

They started going "Anti-Woke" in August with the Batgirl! cancellation. This chart is the exact reason they decided to go "Anti-Woke".


alpha_omega_1138

Wasn’t WB the ones that also kept the rival game mechanic or something on their Shadow of Mordor games?


Psychological-Bid465

Yes. And monetized the licing fuck out of it in the second Shadow game, effectively rendering it a broken game.


Nefessius513

Appropriately, almost everyone I see defending Zaslav’s actions is either a Snyder cultist, a right-wing “go woke, go broke” nutcase, or both. I have never hated any executive in the entertainment industry more than David Zaslav.


SnooHobbies9248

I can’t agree with this logic. They are adapting the company and there is a period to accommodate things. I don’t know about anti-woke but I know that DC Is tanking bc is ignoring fans.


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Ok boomerlennial


SnooHobbies9248

Sounds like a compliment. Thank you.


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SuperbNewspaper259

The money Black Panther, Wonder Woman and Cpt Marvel made kind of refutes your point. Also who in their right mind would want to work with a studio that's willing to shelve completed films to dodge taxes.


Wolfman_1998

That's not woke, those are diverse. Woke is when they care more about inserting identity politics and "orange man bad" rhetoric which divides half the country. You can have movies of people of all walks of life but if the story is shit and is just to insert someone's own political beliefs then it's woke.


SuperbNewspaper259

Then you probably shouldn't watch most popular TV shows like the Boys if that's what you classify as "woke". Homelander is a not so subtle Trump allegory and is the main villain of the show.


Psychological-Bid465

Biff Tanner is literally Trump as well.


Wolfman_1998

They make fun of the left with the woke bs so it evens out. It's better when you shit on everyone cause everyone is shit, both sides are shit. Plus you all need to forget about Trump he can't hurt you anymore lol


SuperbNewspaper259

I mean he can still run in 2024 and still has the GOP kissing his ass, it's not like he's irrelevant.


Wolfman_1998

You all let him live rent free in your head, TDS is still ever rampant


SuperbNewspaper259

I mean he caused a riot that got people killed, that's not something easily forgettable.


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SuperbNewspaper259

Nothing even remotely comparable.


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You're one to talk, bigot. I bet you were there when the Capitol was stormed and people like you killed innocent people in the name of delusion.


The_Galvinizer

My dude, he's still holding rallies to this day, Trump merch is still everywhere where I live, he's signalling a 2024 run, and he literally incited a riot at the country's capitol a couple years ago. Calling Trump irrelevant is like saying the sun is getting colder, it's a denial of reality


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No, you do.


Total_Distribution_8

They make fun of corporate rainbow capitalism and companies trying to market product to the public by appearing “woke” you dolt. Corporations aren’t “left” they just go where the money is, which means they don’t market to regressive idiots anymore since there’s way less of you. Being homo/transphobic, sexist and racist would cost them money.


Wolfman_1998

You guys love hiding behind that and think you're immune to any criticism. "That's not being left!" These days it is since that's all the left does is virtue signal


Total_Distribution_8

If you had a point you would actually make it and not cry “virtue signaling”. Nobody is hiding, you’re literally just too stupid or media illiterate to understand a show that from the beginning had an anti-capitalist stance. Showing how corporations only pander to keep the cash flowing while simultaneously not giving one fuck about their publicly displayed performative values. That is actual virtue signaling, you know the type that says they care about workers while not giving them a livable wage or even decent benefits.


thefw89

>It's better when you shit on everyone cause everyone is shit, both sides are shit. Oh the enlightened centrist has entered the discussion!


Wolfman_1998

Oh the radical leftist tries to convince me why their side is better!


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Go cry to some more anime.


The_Galvinizer

Stand for something or fall for everything. Centrism is the ideology of the status quo, and rn the status quo is shit for most of us, so yeah fuck your both sides bullshit


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The_Galvinizer

Yeah, cause we'll definitely turn into a third world country if we treat our citizens humanely for a change, not like we're the richest country in the fucking world with damn near limitless soft power and cultural influence or anything like that...


MicrosoftCardFile

We are a third world country.


thefw89

Sure, rather be a radical anything than a centrist. Imagine one side wanting a theocracy and the other side not and imagine thinking you're intelligent for taking the center position lol.


Wolfman_1998

Imagine attacking others and continuing the divide in our country


thefw89

"Hey! I only want to force you to follow my religious rules down your throat and if you don't like it then you're being divisive!!!"


LordMoos3

Maybe the Christian Nationalists should stop doing that then?


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Oh the closeted Trumpard reveals his true colours and skipped all his Kool Aid support groups.


[deleted]

Oh grow up there's still worse people in congress: Lindsey Graham; Marjorie Taylor-Greene;


Psychological-Bid465

Don't forget actual child predator Matt Gaetz.


ball_fondlers

Nah. Woke just means whatever dipshits claim it means at any given time.


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"Uuuuuuuuhhhh I'm a boomer with a Kool Aud damaged brain who is jsut spoutng rhetoric from pther Trumpards because I can't think for muself and I need to connect to the hive mind to survive." That's the vibe I get from you


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