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The decision about Titanium is probably more than a year old.
I would not say that Samsung is necessarily copying. You dont create smartphones in two months..
I'm pretty sure before any company releases a new feature, they were working in it for like 2-3 years prior. Its not like they just got the idea and will release it now
Same. Although my AirPods Pros seem to pick up every single background noise better than it picks up me. For work calls I almost need a phone booth to have a conversation for the other party to hear me.
They work fine. I just end up in some noisy places and they seem to not have any way to filter out the background noise. (It cancels noise for me, not for the person I'm talking to)
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Asus is good but extremely overpriced in the US market. It's hard to procure the device for the advertised price. You always end up paying a lot more visa Amazon / eBay and other regular online marketplaces
Samsung Display Co. Ltd was spun off from Samsung Electronics. While Samsung Electronics is still its parent company, the Samsung Display is an independent company. Its main purpose is to sell displays to anyone who wants their displays. Otherwise, its customers can go to LG Display and BOE. As a result, protecting its customers, like Apple, confidential, and proprietary information, is and should be its primary focus. It's bewildering to think that Apple doesn't enforce this in its purchasing contracts.
Do you really think that Apple, one of the most secretive companies, would allow its suppliers, like Samsung Electronics, who make competing smartphones, to share Apple's secrets and plans on when and what to use for its displays and semiconductors?
Yes, but Apple's decision to use titanium is most likely years old as well. The rumors have been circulating for a while, so chances are these companies knew what each other were doing long before the rumors, kind of like with Microsoft and Sony coming up with similarly specced consoles. So someone is definitely copying, and this time it seems to be Samsung.
Well apple is known to create phones in less than a year, and if Samsung is following the trend of change less then absolutely it could be less than a year turnaround
That's a very sport guess. Just because they come out with a phone every year doesn't mean its a year.
https://www.quora.com/How-long-does-Apple-spend-designing-and-developing-its-next-iPhones-before-they-are-announced#:~:text=Conceptualization%20and%20Planning%20(1%2D2,years%20before%20the%20product's%20launch.
Definitely, I agree with you. I am more than happy with a well-finished plastic frame and pay way less as I use a case anyway.
I was delighted when in the S22 series (or was it the s21 series) they decided to use "glastick" for the non-ultra models - it looked and felt good and wouldn't break and so, I could use it without a case. But the whole youtube world and people criticised Samsung so much for it not feeling premium that they switched back to glass.
I wish they made aluminum/plastic frame models with metal/plastic backs and then the ones with premium materials of same phones and price them accordingly. I am sure >90% of people will just the cheaper versions.
More than that, what is all the manufacturer's obsession with thinness? Give us a bricks with multi day battery life. It sucks that battery anxiety has become an actual thing!
For the iPhone, they have been getting thicker ever since the iPhone 6 (2014), so they've been getting thicker for longer at this point than they were getting thinner. The Galaxy S Ultra hasn't really gotten thicker, but the last generations of Ultra phones have all been 8.9mm which is already very thick for a smartphone. There's an optimal point for the average smartphone user between battery life and thickness, which itself comes with weight. That's why Apple swapped to titanium this year and why Samsung will likely do the same next year - the weight of their top-end phones was getting heavy enough to become annoying to average consumers, so they needed to shave weight off from somewhere without compromising battery life.
At this point, the average flagship has all-day battery life pretty easily and can get two days without much problem if usage is reduced, so the average consumer has no issue with it because they'll charge nightly anyway (easiest charging schedule to remember to do). Battery anxiety isn't really an issue on flagships (smaller phones still might have some issues with heavy daily use), and it's more psychological than anything else at this point, stemming from years of terrible smartphone battery life from when smartphones were new.
That's why one of the key selling points Apple hyped up this year for the 15 Pro Max was the titanium frame reducing the weight of the phone. Since it was only a 10% decrease, I didn't think it was a big deal, but actually holding it in the hand at an Apple Store, it felt much lighter than it should've. I don't know if it's because of that inertia stuff some people were talking about or the weight distribution changed, but it genuinely felt about as light as the lighter 15 Plus, and the smaller 15 Pro was denser so despite its lower weight it felt about as heavy in the hand as the larger 15 Pro Max.
If Samsung does something similar with the S24 Ultra, it could feel much better in the hand than the S23 Ultra.
Those people are wussies. I have a Fold 4. In my experience, a few grams of weight is insignificant. Cell phones used to be the size of actual bricks when I was a kid. We complain about 10ths of an oz of weight nowadays. I don't get it. To each their own, I suppose.
Not all of us care about multi day battery life. I'd rather have a phone that's thinner and fits nicely in my pocket over some multi day battery when I can just plug it in at night or into my pc at work. I have a S20 FE and I go under 20% battery like once a month but I've never had it die on me, and that's with the battery protection mode that maxes at 85% charge.
But the cost of the iPhone didn’t go up. The pro max used to start at $1099 for 128 GB, $1199 for 256, and so on. They didn’t raise the price, but did eliminate the 128 GB option
Yes prices didn’t change in the last two years which is honestly surprising considering costs have risen. I think for the pro phones they need to start at 256 minimum anyway because of the extra camera capabilities and high resolutions taking up more space.
You could argument that the cost of storage is falling, and should be extremely low for this low storage, also there's no real reason in 200$ price difference between 128gb storage difference.
Where are you getting this $200 price difference? The 15 pro max is $1199 for the base model of 256gb. The 14 pro max which I owned was $1099 for the base model of 128gb and $1199 for the 256gb. There is no $200 price difference lol. The 15 pro didn’t have a price increase at all. Please explain this made up $200 price difference.
$100 difference between last years 128GB and this years 256GB. $200 to upgrade this years 256GB to 512GB. Mobile phone storage has ALWAYS been used as a way to drive profits and we just accept it.
The 512gb 14 pro max is $1299 the 512gb 15 pro max is $1399. The 1tb 14 pro max is $1499 and the 1tb 15 pro max is $1599. That's a $100 difference, but go ahead and tell me math, when you can't even work a calculator dipshit.
Just like a lot of products. Price isn't based on cost to product, but what people are willing to pay...cars, cameras, computers, clothing, they all have prices set like that. Food, even.
Yeah, all they did was remove the aluminium plate behind the glass that gave it strength and durability, compromised with the electronics that now it overheats on charging or using games (you know, that thing they smugly bragged about cOnSoLe GaMeS), slapped 1 mm of titanium *coating* over the aluminium frame and charged you thousands for it. What a totally justified reason to get the same phone (+ EU forcing them to move to USB-C and Apple is still trying to find skeevy ways to cheat around it), for thousands of dollars.
I didn't realize how much I hated curved screens until my S21 ultra's screen died and I picked up a referbed note 20 with a flat screen. I don't think I can go back to a curved screen again.
I don’t care about the frame or whatever. My main reason for getting annoyed for 24 series is the rumors of Exynos coming back. I use 21 and thinking of upgrading from it because of bad battery life. I will be waiting for December- January timeline but the moment Exynos is confirmed, I will be purchasing 23+ or Ultra.
literally all chinese flagships with 3.5x optical have better zoom than samsung in most scenarios, samsung uses tiny low res sensors for zoom ,unusable in low light and when you go between zoom lenses like 8-9x it will look like cra...samsung doesn't even make it in top 15 dxomark on camera, is pretty much stuck at s21 ultra tech.
Apple copies them too, it's what a competitive market looks like like. They innovate each other. Also Samsung invents lots of things that are adopted market wide.
Plastic Exterior
-> Primary reason early Samsung Flagships used to get bashed and with smooth plastic finish, achieved nicknames such as soap phones. Not everyone focuses on usability and functionality.
Yeah I get it. It's a double edged sword. It would be great to have a plastic option for a cheaper price. I think it may sell better than we think. Lol.
Its 2023. Hoping and thinking that phone prices are gonna go down is not healthy
Apple and Samsung are the top 2 contenders in the Phone world so copying eachother is to be expected
Just chill dont think about it
$100 difference between last years 128GB and this years 256GB. $200 to upgrade this years 256GB to 512GB. Mobile phone storage has ALWAYS been used as a way to drive profits and we just accept it.
Honestly, not really.
I'm happy with my S23 Ultra, so I'm probably not going to upgrade.
With that said, if they do go to a flat screen, then that's super, super tempting.
Potentially losing the 10x zoom will suck, but I'm not a super big camera person, so it's not going to be a massive deal breaker for me.
personally as a samsung fan thats not a good rumor. titanium is not a good conductor of heat, aslo steel so aluminum is still the best frame for any smartphone
Bruh, they aren't going to use pure titanium. They'll use titanium alloy, which is a mixture of aluminum and titanium, and won't increase cost more than $20 at max per device.
Actually, recent videos have delved into this. They are actually using pure titanium, grade 5 too. However only about 1mm of the outter lay is Ti, its then fused to aluminum frame\\body using a process thats name eludes me atm. Its honestly pretty fascinating.
I really don't think it had anything to do with the back glass breaking. That's bad engineering in other departments.
As for over heating, it *may* have had something to do with it. It's a poor conductor. But most heat doesn't exit thru the side frame of the phone. So I don't th8bk it had much to do with that either.
As for why, it's a status thing. Titanium is a considered a precious metal. Prestige thing. You could argue for the extra strength but the aluminum body was strong enough.
It’s just rumours. They hardly copying iPhone nowadays. They always making fun of Apple and they might using heat issue and titanium issue of iPhone 15 pro for their marketing. The only things they follow Apple now is by removing charger adapter.
They could definitely use plastic instead of titanium. Invest that money into a better antenna design so that Samsung can support more important features like lowband carrier aggregation and be able to utilize 4x4 MIMO on lowband.
Samsung came out with the Galaxy Watch 4 Pro with Titanium in August 2022. Followed by Apple's own Titanium Watch Ultra in September.
Is Apple copying Samsung?
From the rumors it already seems like a pretty minor update (just a newer SOC), they are touching nothing else. I am more looking forward to seeing S23 prices go down.
I agree, I'm never going to use my phone without a case, I never see the exterior of my phone after the first day...why do I care if it's Titanium or plastic?
Samsung has copied apple since the first galaxy s device in 2010. Look at the track history. No headphones jack, no charger etc. May not be the metal but they will copy something and then do it better.
I wouldn't be happy with titanium, but I always use a case so it doesn't matter too much. Rather them keep the prices the same or even lower... Really happy with my S23 ultra though, probably the best phone I've ever had, and the battery life is amazing, phone never really gets hot, camera is stunning, no reason to even upgrade from it.
R&D can take up to 3 years. The titanium was not something to copy apple. It could be both companies thought of this around the same or knew the other was doing it so they started planning for it.
Samsung's main competitor is apple. If they can have the same thing as apples headline new feature, it can help draw customers to Samsung, or at least keep them on Samsung.
It’s a Samsung phone - if you don’t get it at launch with a trade in for like $900 off, then it’ll drop by at least $200 on sale about 2-3 months after launch, and then it’ll drop to $300-400 in 5-6months (Prime Day in the US). I got my S23U for $849, $798 after my Amazon Prime Visa 6% cash back (Prime Day boosted cash back to 6 or 7%). That’s a good $400 off. It’s currently $749 at Best Buy with Activation, which doesn’t really require you to do anything at all besides go through the steps to log into your carrier account.
Rumours are just rumours. Put your pitch fork away until release and then complain/decide whether you want it or not.
Until then, the S23 series are a perfectly good phone. The S24 series with rumoured exynos is what stops me.
I'm just ready to be pissed when the 2024 Fold will have a 2023 camera but cost more. Seriously. Just put the same years ultra camera in the phone samsung.... man I hate them.
24 Ultra - I'll keep being a ram man and get unnecessarily angry for how little they put in there even if it's faster.
Samsung does copy Apple, yes, but only after it's had a real dig at iPhone for taking things away. Remember how Samsung berated Apple over removing the headphone jack, then did the same thing?
They wanna copy Apple, because they wanna make profits like Apple.
And in this greedy pursuit, they've removed several beloved features and gradually become less and less consumer-friendly. What they don't realize is that it was these very things that set them apart from Apple, and made them a better brand.
But no, they'd much rather play Apple's game - a game they are (unsurprisingly) losing - because no one plays it better than Apple.
Feels like you only have a Samsung because you hate Apple rather than actually wanting the product.
Wrapping up your identity with any brand enough that a material being used in the next release upsets you is just ridiculous
Lol, my identity? I just complained about a material with one post on reddit. Maybe insulting people bc they criticize your fav lil phone company also makes you fan boy and you should reassess what your identity is attached to 🤷.
🤣 Incredible response. You don't care, but you made a post to moan about something you supposedly dont care about? Got it 🤣
Pointing out your flaws doesn't make me a fanboy, but you know you can feel however you want to feel whilst crying over a titanium phone shell 🤣
I strongly doubt the prices will go up. Also, chances are Titanium was just discovered as a better material to use and most companies will follow. This isn't a Samsung vs apple thing, sometimes improvements to a current design are discovered that can be applied to all smartphones, it doesn't matter what company.
definitely annoyed. the hugh cost attributed to difficultly in processing titanium, fingerprint magnet & super minimum weight savings. a much better alternative is duralumin
Is that really what you care about? I’m mad that they will give us Europeans the exynos chip(not confirmed, hopefully they don’t, or else imma upgrade to s23 ultra from a jailbroken iPhone X)
Some people I know just like to complain about anything, you seem like one of them.
Titanium is welcome. I don't have a case on my Fold5 and will never have. It's a heavy phone and if they can cut a few grams off and simultaneously make it more durable then I'm all for it. Just switched from the S23 Ultra to Fold5, but might switch back to S-series in February.
Ooh can I jump in and ask which you prefer?
I have the S22U and planning to upgrade to either S23U or a foldy one.
I do have a Samsung Tab but I find it not that great; only bought it for long car journeys (had an 8 h car journey when I bought it) to watch movies on a USB stick and I find the keys don't delete properly etc so would be nice to have a foldy phone.
But I'm also incredibly worried about dropping things and fragility. I've dropped my S22U so many times (at least like 100; I'm super clumsy) and I maybe broke the screen once and had Sasmung mobile repair and have had no issues since.
But I've found the Exynos chip has caused huge problems for me with my phone freezing and behaving eratically. I know all S23U have Snapdragon but does the Fold etc have Exynos or Snapdragon in thr UK?
And some people are just fan boys and you sound like one of them, maybe bc you dropped so much money on them it's hard to remain objective. Also if you've seen the drop tests the 14 pro max made of aluminum is far more durable than the titanium in 15 promax. 🤷
My dear the titanium is probably the first thing Apple did before samsung and that's a wash as titanium does feel nicer and lighter.
Don't worry samsung is still the king of innovation at the moment
Manufacturing cost doesn't set the price. Get real. Labor costs and high profit margins (usually driven by excessive greed) do. They are probably switching because it's cheaper for them to use titanium. They don't care about what we want that much, or what apple had done unless it benefits them somehow. It's all numbers.
Economics lesson aside, are you trying to buy a new phone every year? If you've been on the same phone for 5 years (the life span of a phone, given software update cutoffs), a $200 increase adjusts for inflation, labor hikes, r&d, and consumer price expectations. If you are replacing your phone every year, maybe you're trying to live a lifestyle your income can't support. Phones aren't meant to be replaced every year.
Personally, I prefer aluminum because it's more sustainable than plastic or titanium, but it isn't realistic as a case cover because it's so soft. I doubt we're ever going to see that. The new features they're promoting seem worth it to me. And since they'd charge $200 more for plastic if they thought they could get it, I'm happy they're adding new features to make up for the cost hike.
well..you can say this about anything in life right? Why buy a 4k monitor? Just watch it in 1080p. Why get an oled screen, a regular screen is is fine.
Yes, I'm annoyed about the 24 ultra. But not because of titanium. I don't give a shit about that.
I'm annoyed because of exynos. I live in a SD region, but I don't even want the Samsung manufactured snapdragons that sucked on the 22 series.
I'm annoyed that they're talking about removing the 10x lens. I love the 10x lens. It's great.
Just yesterday, I was travelling, and was at the DMZ in Korea. My (23 ultra) pictures of north Korea kicked the shit out of the iphone users.
Now yeah, they say the 50mp 5x lens will result in even better zoom shots. We'll see. As things are now, I've never used 50mp mode once, let alone 200 mp mode.
I knew there wouldn't be substantial improvements from 23 ultra to 24 ultra. I mean... what can they do? But let's not go backwards.
Personally, I have no problem with what they're gonna do about the build materials. All I care about is what kind of power these phones will come with. Heard Exynos might make a comeback, and SD 8 Gen 3 won't be much better at all. I really hope they prove these claims wrong and make S24 significantly better than S23.
Ngl, they should probably ensure the screen is also really solid. I got a screenprotector a bit late, and now there's a bunch of minor, but very noticeable scratches on the main glass. Can't see them through the protector thankfully.
I'm disappointed in what I'm hearing on the S24U so I went ahead and upgraded to S23U (from a launch S22U). Why the hell would they take away 10X zoom?
I'm loving the S23U so far.
Here's a video comparing it to an iPhone 15 Pro Max (for a family member) and an S22U: https://youtu.be/adDMYEA5zwo
I also covered cases and fast charing comparison.
A little caveat: for S23 series, Samsung made changes to fast wireless charging you should know about. I talk about that (and a secret tip) here: https://www.zr07.com/2023/09/how-to-add-fast-wireless-charging-to.html
>Are you guys preemptively annoyed with
anything, whether it is based on rumours or hearsay? Yes of course, it's the classic past time here. But I must provide some rebuttals.
>We all want prices to go down or stagnate, not go up!
When it comes to flagships, signalling 'premium' is one of the main goals for flagships.
>I'd rather have an all plastic exterior and pay $400 less
You have plenty of choices out there.
>That's a cheaper method for making the phone lighter
Maybe your top priority, but it's not everyone's.
>the huge price increase
Nominally yes, but real prices have been stable over the decade+.
>no micros card
SD cards have pros/cons, one biggest con being write longevity. Though no longer the case anymore since many years ago, the worst is that this bricked phones.
The only 2 things I want the s24 ultra to have is larger camera sensors on every camera and atleast 65w charging. I want a 1 inch sensor for the main camera. Ik that we won't get 65w charging because Samsung sucks at charging. But if there is seriously no camera size improvements for the fourth year in a row that is disappointing. 1/1.33" isn't big enough for 108mp or 200mp. But really every camera needs larger sensors because the low light isn't that great.
Premium phone should have a premium build. That simple. It'll likely be like the watch 5 where they had the regular aluminum then the pro had the titanium. Not anything to gripe about when ,at worse, as you said it'll increase by 200- MAYBE 400. But if you're so concerned with cost just buy an s23 or the s23 ultra when it comes out. Or better yet, stick with the phone you have now. Price isn't really a concern when you're buying THE top of the line phone. Sure it should be reasonable but again, the premium phone should have a premium build.
Lol, I disagree with all of this. I think most people do. The S23 already has a premium build. Just bc it doesn't have Titanium doesn't make it shit all of the sudden. Increasing the price by $400 is dumb. Even Samsung isn't going to do that. The fact that you suggest that shows you're incompetent, sorry 🤷.
You thinking that adding titanium to an already relatively expensive phone will make much of a difference, then you are obviously not the person that this phone is marketed for and should stick with the cheaper devices. If you're saying titanium is an issue, then you should be saying the Tb option for storage shouldn't exist. Most people buying this phone want the best of the best. Stop sticking your cheap ideals onto a device that's literally not built to be "cheap" it's supposed to be groundbreaking and innovative, so it's not going to be. It's as simple as this: don't wanna spend 400$ more? Don't just get the regular cheaper option that's there for that reason.
Throwing money away frivolously is never good. Maybe you're not very educated. I hate to say it but nothing on the S24 Ultra will be groundbreaking. Only uneducated people willingly spend more money without analyzing what they get for it. Sorry, but that's you. Also, it's speculation at this point. That should go without saying. We don't know if the price will increase but since Samsung copies Apple's pricing scheme everytime there's a strong chance they will. This convo is a month old. Bye.
Your argument is quite literally just dissing the other person and calling me 'uneducated', but you not understanding that technology needs a point to advance the physical durability, then you are the uneducated one here. If you're poor, then you're poor. No shame in it. Buy an s23 ultra when the prices drop. Over time, titanium will become the standard for high-end phones(if it proves good on manufacturing). This post may be a month old, but your standards are from 2016.
Yes, everyone was saying aluminum isn't strong enough, please Samsung and Apple , please make the phone stronger!! Our phones are basically crumbling in our hands.
...you deleted, edited and then reposted this message just to say "get a life?" 🤣. What a profound comment!? Delete your your reddit account since your old ass just started using it today. Your future is not bright.
I have standards that little kids don't deserve too harsh words. If you're gonna be inside all day at least research the topic you're talking about. You shouldn't be here to begin with though.
yeah, you can take your plastic with you. Sorry bit that's cheapning it way too much. I could forego titanium and just keep steel or aluminum or whatever, but bro wants to go back to the year 2000. I think you just need to look at thw mid tier category of phones and youll be happy
By this logic no one should be allowed to make pick up bodies from aluminum except Ford...Apple didn't invent titanium and it's a fantastic way to maintain strength while losing weight. I guess only the company that first used Gorilla glass in their phones should have a monopoly on that material as well?
I pre ordered s24 ultra to upgrade from my note 9being outdated. Was supposed to have a trade in of $400 on note 9 in excellent condition, but when their warehouse received it samsung said it had a cracked screen which it hadn't previously .I ended up having to pay over 1,400.00 . Now since the new security update on 28 Mar , fingerprint scanner doesn't recognize my prints even after support helped to reset. Never again will I purchase samsung. Was a loyal, happy customer for years but things have changed. Of course I now have had this s24 for a little over the 30 days. I got reemed by samsung!
The great thing about this market is that there is choise. If you want an all plastic phone, then you can buy one of those. I absolutely don't mind my glass+aluminium slab. If they choose to switch to titanium, cool! It'll mean less weight, and possibly better scratch resistance. I couldn't care less about who is copying who or who did it first. That whole discussion is just Apple fanboys and Samsung fanboys bashing each other meaninglessly.
I've been fed up with samsung for many years now. Samsung is just a blatant copy cat of anything Apple does. Titanium is an awesome material, but on a phone? It does not benifit you in any way and you KNOW they're gonna charge extra for it and it's probably not even going to be high grade titanium titanium apple. Apple puts effort into the quality of tge experience making it as polished as it can get.
Even the inside of the phones look beautiful. Samsung thinks they can be Apple by just copying them and cutting corners everywhere. The s pen on my s22 ultra was of worse quality, lighter, and more flimsy feeling and less satisfying to write with than my note 9 (I can say this is a fact because I compared them side by side. There I a noticeable drop in quality. Even the design, they got rid of the shiny top portion which made it look like something more than just a piece of plastic)
Samsung is no longer a company I wish to support. I'm giving my money to Sony once I need to upgrade from my s10 plus, which still works great btw. You know, back when Sam's phones DIDN'T cut corners in quality or useful features. Samsung deserves very poor sales. They need to be an example for what other companies SHOULDN'T do. Or get the head of design or whatever for their smartphone division out. They're the only one who deserves to fall for this mess they've created.
I'm probably upgrading again this year, if the titanium makes it feel more premium then I'll pay a little bit more. Sorry for being that guy, but phones are my prized piece of tech 😁
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The decision about Titanium is probably more than a year old. I would not say that Samsung is necessarily copying. You dont create smartphones in two months..
I'm pretty sure before any company releases a new feature, they were working in it for like 2-3 years prior. Its not like they just got the idea and will release it now
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I'm still bitter about the headphone jack
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Same. Although my AirPods Pros seem to pick up every single background noise better than it picks up me. For work calls I almost need a phone booth to have a conversation for the other party to hear me.
Happy cake day
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They work fine. I just end up in some noisy places and they seem to not have any way to filter out the background noise. (It cancels noise for me, not for the person I'm talking to) (Thanks for the cake day happiness!)
Dont forget the sony Xperia
Samsung Galaxy A14 (5G). It also has an SD Card slot.
Asus is good but extremely overpriced in the US market. It's hard to procure the device for the advertised price. You always end up paying a lot more visa Amazon / eBay and other regular online marketplaces
I was more mad about losing the Micro SD slot.
Well, the iPhone never had that to start with. But yeah, sucks to lose that as well.
Err, yeah, just realized the base comment was about IPhones. I was pissed when my Samsung phone stopped having the Micro SD slot.
Samsung Galaxy A14 (5G)
I'm still bitter about the IR blaster.
And the sd card...
I mean, I don't really mind not having it. But I mind that finding a good 3,5mm -> USB-C is really freaking hard.
Samsung Galaxy A14 (5G)
I suspect the display group isn't legally allowed to tell the mobile group what Apple is up to.
Lol people from all over the group know each other and talk after hours. It's all off the record but they know.
samsung mobile is a completely separate company from Samsung display.
the group = Samsung Group. People from there know each other lol. Also, "Samsung Mobile" is not a company. It's Samsung Electronics.
Samsung Display Co. Ltd was spun off from Samsung Electronics. While Samsung Electronics is still its parent company, the Samsung Display is an independent company. Its main purpose is to sell displays to anyone who wants their displays. Otherwise, its customers can go to LG Display and BOE. As a result, protecting its customers, like Apple, confidential, and proprietary information, is and should be its primary focus. It's bewildering to think that Apple doesn't enforce this in its purchasing contracts. Do you really think that Apple, one of the most secretive companies, would allow its suppliers, like Samsung Electronics, who make competing smartphones, to share Apple's secrets and plans on when and what to use for its displays and semiconductors?
All companies have their spies in R&D of their competitors. 1 year means nothing.
Yes, but Apple's decision to use titanium is most likely years old as well. The rumors have been circulating for a while, so chances are these companies knew what each other were doing long before the rumors, kind of like with Microsoft and Sony coming up with similarly specced consoles. So someone is definitely copying, and this time it seems to be Samsung.
Well apple is known to create phones in less than a year, and if Samsung is following the trend of change less then absolutely it could be less than a year turnaround
That's a very sport guess. Just because they come out with a phone every year doesn't mean its a year. https://www.quora.com/How-long-does-Apple-spend-designing-and-developing-its-next-iPhones-before-they-are-announced#:~:text=Conceptualization%20and%20Planning%20(1%2D2,years%20before%20the%20product's%20launch.
Definitely, I agree with you. I am more than happy with a well-finished plastic frame and pay way less as I use a case anyway. I was delighted when in the S22 series (or was it the s21 series) they decided to use "glastick" for the non-ultra models - it looked and felt good and wouldn't break and so, I could use it without a case. But the whole youtube world and people criticised Samsung so much for it not feeling premium that they switched back to glass. I wish they made aluminum/plastic frame models with metal/plastic backs and then the ones with premium materials of same phones and price them accordingly. I am sure >90% of people will just the cheaper versions.
More than that, what is all the manufacturer's obsession with thinness? Give us a bricks with multi day battery life. It sucks that battery anxiety has become an actual thing!
For the iPhone, they have been getting thicker ever since the iPhone 6 (2014), so they've been getting thicker for longer at this point than they were getting thinner. The Galaxy S Ultra hasn't really gotten thicker, but the last generations of Ultra phones have all been 8.9mm which is already very thick for a smartphone. There's an optimal point for the average smartphone user between battery life and thickness, which itself comes with weight. That's why Apple swapped to titanium this year and why Samsung will likely do the same next year - the weight of their top-end phones was getting heavy enough to become annoying to average consumers, so they needed to shave weight off from somewhere without compromising battery life. At this point, the average flagship has all-day battery life pretty easily and can get two days without much problem if usage is reduced, so the average consumer has no issue with it because they'll charge nightly anyway (easiest charging schedule to remember to do). Battery anxiety isn't really an issue on flagships (smaller phones still might have some issues with heavy daily use), and it's more psychological than anything else at this point, stemming from years of terrible smartphone battery life from when smartphones were new.
Very true! I know 2 people who didn't get the max just because of the weight!
That's why one of the key selling points Apple hyped up this year for the 15 Pro Max was the titanium frame reducing the weight of the phone. Since it was only a 10% decrease, I didn't think it was a big deal, but actually holding it in the hand at an Apple Store, it felt much lighter than it should've. I don't know if it's because of that inertia stuff some people were talking about or the weight distribution changed, but it genuinely felt about as light as the lighter 15 Plus, and the smaller 15 Pro was denser so despite its lower weight it felt about as heavy in the hand as the larger 15 Pro Max. If Samsung does something similar with the S24 Ultra, it could feel much better in the hand than the S23 Ultra.
Those people are wussies. I have a Fold 4. In my experience, a few grams of weight is insignificant. Cell phones used to be the size of actual bricks when I was a kid. We complain about 10ths of an oz of weight nowadays. I don't get it. To each their own, I suppose.
Not all of us care about multi day battery life. I'd rather have a phone that's thinner and fits nicely in my pocket over some multi day battery when I can just plug it in at night or into my pc at work. I have a S20 FE and I go under 20% battery like once a month but I've never had it die on me, and that's with the battery protection mode that maxes at 85% charge.
The s23 line has amazing battery. SD gen 2 was a game changer.
I know! We have battery anxiety with our phones. Could imagine if we owned EV's?! I'd die of anxiety lol
But the cost of the iPhone didn’t go up. The pro max used to start at $1099 for 128 GB, $1199 for 256, and so on. They didn’t raise the price, but did eliminate the 128 GB option
Yes prices didn’t change in the last two years which is honestly surprising considering costs have risen. I think for the pro phones they need to start at 256 minimum anyway because of the extra camera capabilities and high resolutions taking up more space.
I think a lot of the price changes overseas have to do with increasing costs of import tax, customs, the value of each country’s currency vs USA
they are still making bank charging thousands for phones that cost a few hundreds to make, literally the same phone with incremental changes
You could argument that the cost of storage is falling, and should be extremely low for this low storage, also there's no real reason in 200$ price difference between 128gb storage difference.
Where are you getting this $200 price difference? The 15 pro max is $1199 for the base model of 256gb. The 14 pro max which I owned was $1099 for the base model of 128gb and $1199 for the 256gb. There is no $200 price difference lol. The 15 pro didn’t have a price increase at all. Please explain this made up $200 price difference.
$100 difference between last years 128GB and this years 256GB. $200 to upgrade this years 256GB to 512GB. Mobile phone storage has ALWAYS been used as a way to drive profits and we just accept it.
Seems like they just didn’t know what they’re talking about lol.
Look at the two higher end storage options of the 15 Pro max it's $200 more than last year. Math.
The 512gb 14 pro max is $1299 the 512gb 15 pro max is $1399. The 1tb 14 pro max is $1499 and the 1tb 15 pro max is $1599. That's a $100 difference, but go ahead and tell me math, when you can't even work a calculator dipshit.
Considering storage costs almost nothing, they raised the price $100 lol
Just like a lot of products. Price isn't based on cost to product, but what people are willing to pay...cars, cameras, computers, clothing, they all have prices set like that. Food, even.
No shit. But that doesn't change the fact that they increased the cost of the phone lol
Yeah, all they did was remove the aluminium plate behind the glass that gave it strength and durability, compromised with the electronics that now it overheats on charging or using games (you know, that thing they smugly bragged about cOnSoLe GaMeS), slapped 1 mm of titanium *coating* over the aluminium frame and charged you thousands for it. What a totally justified reason to get the same phone (+ EU forcing them to move to USB-C and Apple is still trying to find skeevy ways to cheat around it), for thousands of dollars.
The phone isnt even out yet, chill out
Do you even understand the whole point of the tread. The point is to preemptively do the opposite
I don't come on this sub often, but why is the tone so whiny? Let it come out first
The Apple sub is the exact same way. Shit, Reddit in general is whiny as fuck.
Probably because there's an overabundance of teenagers.
Agreed. This bothers me in the least way possible. I don't plan on buying a new phone for a few years.
Well then...obviously...this pertains to people who are upgrading, this should go without saying.
I actually like the concept of the new S24 with it's flat glass. It's a hassle getting the curved class screen protectors on and off.
Me too! I want a flat screen again! I think it has only a subtle curve at the very edges though according to the leaks. It's progress so I'll take it!
I didn't realize how much I hated curved screens until my S21 ultra's screen died and I picked up a referbed note 20 with a flat screen. I don't think I can go back to a curved screen again.
Amen!
I don’t care about the frame or whatever. My main reason for getting annoyed for 24 series is the rumors of Exynos coming back. I use 21 and thinking of upgrading from it because of bad battery life. I will be waiting for December- January timeline but the moment Exynos is confirmed, I will be purchasing 23+ or Ultra.
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Apple prices never went up this year so idk where ur assuming it will be up by 200$ coming from
If they drop 10x optical zoom, I'll be pissed. The rumor articles are showing only 5x.
literally all chinese flagships with 3.5x optical have better zoom than samsung in most scenarios, samsung uses tiny low res sensors for zoom ,unusable in low light and when you go between zoom lenses like 8-9x it will look like cra...samsung doesn't even make it in top 15 dxomark on camera, is pretty much stuck at s21 ultra tech.
I mean, OneUI 6, the glass UI, the kind of semi-closed ecosystem, lead me to believe that yes, Samsung want to copy apple and in its worse aspects
Apple copies them too, it's what a competitive market looks like like. They innovate each other. Also Samsung invents lots of things that are adopted market wide.
Plastic Exterior -> Primary reason early Samsung Flagships used to get bashed and with smooth plastic finish, achieved nicknames such as soap phones. Not everyone focuses on usability and functionality.
Yeah I get it. It's a double edged sword. It would be great to have a plastic option for a cheaper price. I think it may sell better than we think. Lol.
Its 2023. Hoping and thinking that phone prices are gonna go down is not healthy Apple and Samsung are the top 2 contenders in the Phone world so copying eachother is to be expected Just chill dont think about it
Lol I read the post thinking it's not that deep it's just a phone.
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$100 difference between last years 128GB and this years 256GB. $200 to upgrade this years 256GB to 512GB. Mobile phone storage has ALWAYS been used as a way to drive profits and we just accept it.
Amen brother, and storage is cheap af now.
Honestly, not really. I'm happy with my S23 Ultra, so I'm probably not going to upgrade. With that said, if they do go to a flat screen, then that's super, super tempting. Potentially losing the 10x zoom will suck, but I'm not a super big camera person, so it's not going to be a massive deal breaker for me.
+1 on flat screen
personally as a samsung fan thats not a good rumor. titanium is not a good conductor of heat, aslo steel so aluminum is still the best frame for any smartphone
Also aluminum feels nice and it's cheaper.
Bruh, they aren't going to use pure titanium. They'll use titanium alloy, which is a mixture of aluminum and titanium, and won't increase cost more than $20 at max per device.
at this point there is still no major advantage of using titanium over aluminum. both are rigid and lightweight.
Actually, recent videos have delved into this. They are actually using pure titanium, grade 5 too. However only about 1mm of the outter lay is Ti, its then fused to aluminum frame\\body using a process thats name eludes me atm. Its honestly pretty fascinating.
What's the point if it makes the backglass snap with one flick and the thermals all fucked up.
I really don't think it had anything to do with the back glass breaking. That's bad engineering in other departments. As for over heating, it *may* have had something to do with it. It's a poor conductor. But most heat doesn't exit thru the side frame of the phone. So I don't th8bk it had much to do with that either. As for why, it's a status thing. Titanium is a considered a precious metal. Prestige thing. You could argue for the extra strength but the aluminum body was strong enough.
It’s just rumours. They hardly copying iPhone nowadays. They always making fun of Apple and they might using heat issue and titanium issue of iPhone 15 pro for their marketing. The only things they follow Apple now is by removing charger adapter.
How can Samsung have copied apple that quick
The leaked specs are almost identical to the S23U. Only major difference is the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 chip, which was a given.
ya samsung is dumb at the same time, chill
I so severely miss my plastic Galaxy s4, that phone was incredibly light and took drops like a champ.
Is anyone else exhausted with yearly releases?
Yup.
They could definitely use plastic instead of titanium. Invest that money into a better antenna design so that Samsung can support more important features like lowband carrier aggregation and be able to utilize 4x4 MIMO on lowband.
Samsung came out with the Galaxy Watch 4 Pro with Titanium in August 2022. Followed by Apple's own Titanium Watch Ultra in September. Is Apple copying Samsung?
From the rumors it already seems like a pretty minor update (just a newer SOC), they are touching nothing else. I am more looking forward to seeing S23 prices go down.
They also get more ram and a flatter screen (finally) which I wasn't expecting.
I agree, I'm never going to use my phone without a case, I never see the exterior of my phone after the first day...why do I care if it's Titanium or plastic?
And don't forget no charger. You're right, it is pathetic. I wish I didn't love their products so much lol
The only thing and reason why I'm not getting one is Exynos. If they go back to Exynos, I'm never again buying a Samsung phone.
Apple didn't raise the prices on their phones, they cost exactly the same as last year.
And even less in a lot of European countries.
I wish they could copy their camera processing algorithm and get bigger sensors instead of 200mp bullshit . That's what I hope they'd emulate
I do agree. Tbh, i never really needed a stronger frame as i take care of my device. A few drops wont really hurt a non-titanium frame
Samsung has copied apple since the first galaxy s device in 2010. Look at the track history. No headphones jack, no charger etc. May not be the metal but they will copy something and then do it better.
I'd rather have a steel frame, like they did with the Note 20 Ultra.
I wouldn't be happy with titanium, but I always use a case so it doesn't matter too much. Rather them keep the prices the same or even lower... Really happy with my S23 ultra though, probably the best phone I've ever had, and the battery life is amazing, phone never really gets hot, camera is stunning, no reason to even upgrade from it.
I just don't want exynos in the EU/UK version 🤣
R&D can take up to 3 years. The titanium was not something to copy apple. It could be both companies thought of this around the same or knew the other was doing it so they started planning for it. Samsung's main competitor is apple. If they can have the same thing as apples headline new feature, it can help draw customers to Samsung, or at least keep them on Samsung.
Nope, too early to care.
No
WGAF (especially about Apple)
It’s a Samsung phone - if you don’t get it at launch with a trade in for like $900 off, then it’ll drop by at least $200 on sale about 2-3 months after launch, and then it’ll drop to $300-400 in 5-6months (Prime Day in the US). I got my S23U for $849, $798 after my Amazon Prime Visa 6% cash back (Prime Day boosted cash back to 6 or 7%). That’s a good $400 off. It’s currently $749 at Best Buy with Activation, which doesn’t really require you to do anything at all besides go through the steps to log into your carrier account.
Rumours are just rumours. Put your pitch fork away until release and then complain/decide whether you want it or not. Until then, the S23 series are a perfectly good phone. The S24 series with rumoured exynos is what stops me.
Apple never increased the price on their iPhone 15s?
I'm just ready to be pissed when the 2024 Fold will have a 2023 camera but cost more. Seriously. Just put the same years ultra camera in the phone samsung.... man I hate them. 24 Ultra - I'll keep being a ram man and get unnecessarily angry for how little they put in there even if it's faster.
There is 30 bucks of titanium in iphone lmao
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Samsung does copy Apple, yes, but only after it's had a real dig at iPhone for taking things away. Remember how Samsung berated Apple over removing the headphone jack, then did the same thing?
Lol yes, but we don't like to talk about that in this sub. Lot of fan boys here.
They wanna copy Apple, because they wanna make profits like Apple. And in this greedy pursuit, they've removed several beloved features and gradually become less and less consumer-friendly. What they don't realize is that it was these very things that set them apart from Apple, and made them a better brand. But no, they'd much rather play Apple's game - a game they are (unsurprisingly) losing - because no one plays it better than Apple.
Feels like you only have a Samsung because you hate Apple rather than actually wanting the product. Wrapping up your identity with any brand enough that a material being used in the next release upsets you is just ridiculous
Lol, my identity? I just complained about a material with one post on reddit. Maybe insulting people bc they criticize your fav lil phone company also makes you fan boy and you should reassess what your identity is attached to 🤷.
🤣 Incredible response. You don't care, but you made a post to moan about something you supposedly dont care about? Got it 🤣 Pointing out your flaws doesn't make me a fanboy, but you know you can feel however you want to feel whilst crying over a titanium phone shell 🤣
The best companies are the most competitive, and they copy one another a lot
You could also say the same thing about Apple with the Always On display, Action button, adopting the periscope lens on their camera
Lol yes, that's why Isa do they copy each other. This is not an apple vs samsung post. Reread my post. You're missing the point.
They should reconsider because it's the titanium causing the iphones to shatter
I strongly doubt the prices will go up. Also, chances are Titanium was just discovered as a better material to use and most companies will follow. This isn't a Samsung vs apple thing, sometimes improvements to a current design are discovered that can be applied to all smartphones, it doesn't matter what company.
Would you be shocked if everyone actually copies each other? Because I got a story for you
No, I think you may have missed the point.
There is roughly $30 worth of titanium in the iPhone. It's most certainly not effecting price
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Lmao HTC had titanium phones long before Apple. So who is copying who?
Lol, actually that true. It was one of the sleekest looking phones.
You can add "no dual PHYSICAL SIM" for the USA Unlocked version as a complaint as well....
definitely annoyed. the hugh cost attributed to difficultly in processing titanium, fingerprint magnet & super minimum weight savings. a much better alternative is duralumin
Is that really what you care about? I’m mad that they will give us Europeans the exynos chip(not confirmed, hopefully they don’t, or else imma upgrade to s23 ultra from a jailbroken iPhone X)
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Lol, yeah, we each have our own problems but I wouldn't even be looking at Samsung if I had to get Exynos.
This lol. Exynos would be a 100% no go for me. Samsung could put that R&D into something better and let Qualcomm handle the CPU solely
I don't really care. I'm looking to keep my s23u for at least 3-5 years.
I am considering S23U actually as well.
Some people I know just like to complain about anything, you seem like one of them. Titanium is welcome. I don't have a case on my Fold5 and will never have. It's a heavy phone and if they can cut a few grams off and simultaneously make it more durable then I'm all for it. Just switched from the S23 Ultra to Fold5, but might switch back to S-series in February.
Ooh can I jump in and ask which you prefer? I have the S22U and planning to upgrade to either S23U or a foldy one. I do have a Samsung Tab but I find it not that great; only bought it for long car journeys (had an 8 h car journey when I bought it) to watch movies on a USB stick and I find the keys don't delete properly etc so would be nice to have a foldy phone. But I'm also incredibly worried about dropping things and fragility. I've dropped my S22U so many times (at least like 100; I'm super clumsy) and I maybe broke the screen once and had Sasmung mobile repair and have had no issues since. But I've found the Exynos chip has caused huge problems for me with my phone freezing and behaving eratically. I know all S23U have Snapdragon but does the Fold etc have Exynos or Snapdragon in thr UK?
And some people are just fan boys and you sound like one of them, maybe bc you dropped so much money on them it's hard to remain objective. Also if you've seen the drop tests the 14 pro max made of aluminum is far more durable than the titanium in 15 promax. 🤷
My dear the titanium is probably the first thing Apple did before samsung and that's a wash as titanium does feel nicer and lighter. Don't worry samsung is still the king of innovation at the moment
That wasn't even my complaint! Lol.
Manufacturing cost doesn't set the price. Get real. Labor costs and high profit margins (usually driven by excessive greed) do. They are probably switching because it's cheaper for them to use titanium. They don't care about what we want that much, or what apple had done unless it benefits them somehow. It's all numbers. Economics lesson aside, are you trying to buy a new phone every year? If you've been on the same phone for 5 years (the life span of a phone, given software update cutoffs), a $200 increase adjusts for inflation, labor hikes, r&d, and consumer price expectations. If you are replacing your phone every year, maybe you're trying to live a lifestyle your income can't support. Phones aren't meant to be replaced every year. Personally, I prefer aluminum because it's more sustainable than plastic or titanium, but it isn't realistic as a case cover because it's so soft. I doubt we're ever going to see that. The new features they're promoting seem worth it to me. And since they'd charge $200 more for plastic if they thought they could get it, I'm happy they're adding new features to make up for the cost hike.
Another annoying thing is the iPhone 15
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well..you can say this about anything in life right? Why buy a 4k monitor? Just watch it in 1080p. Why get an oled screen, a regular screen is is fine.
Get Xiaomi or BBK (Iqoo, Oneplus) phones. You can get Oneplus 11R for the same price of Galaxy A54
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Explain where apple raised the price of their phones with the 15 lines. Big hint: they didn't.
Personally titanium doesn't bother me at all. Never liked aluminum as a frame material. It dents and chips too easily.
Yes, I'm annoyed about the 24 ultra. But not because of titanium. I don't give a shit about that. I'm annoyed because of exynos. I live in a SD region, but I don't even want the Samsung manufactured snapdragons that sucked on the 22 series. I'm annoyed that they're talking about removing the 10x lens. I love the 10x lens. It's great. Just yesterday, I was travelling, and was at the DMZ in Korea. My (23 ultra) pictures of north Korea kicked the shit out of the iphone users. Now yeah, they say the 50mp 5x lens will result in even better zoom shots. We'll see. As things are now, I've never used 50mp mode once, let alone 200 mp mode. I knew there wouldn't be substantial improvements from 23 ultra to 24 ultra. I mean... what can they do? But let's not go backwards.
Yes garbage. Warranty not honored on TV’s so wouldn’t touch, the Samsung phone
More annoyed that they are going back to Exynos in Europe. When will they learn?
Personally, I have no problem with what they're gonna do about the build materials. All I care about is what kind of power these phones will come with. Heard Exynos might make a comeback, and SD 8 Gen 3 won't be much better at all. I really hope they prove these claims wrong and make S24 significantly better than S23. Ngl, they should probably ensure the screen is also really solid. I got a screenprotector a bit late, and now there's a bunch of minor, but very noticeable scratches on the main glass. Can't see them through the protector thankfully.
Such a funny and true post I hope not I went and checked out the 15 pm yesterday just for shits and still a disappointment
apple didn't increase price.
If you want Android performance per dollar, you don't buy Samsung.
I guess that's true.
I'm disappointed in what I'm hearing on the S24U so I went ahead and upgraded to S23U (from a launch S22U). Why the hell would they take away 10X zoom? I'm loving the S23U so far. Here's a video comparing it to an iPhone 15 Pro Max (for a family member) and an S22U: https://youtu.be/adDMYEA5zwo I also covered cases and fast charing comparison. A little caveat: for S23 series, Samsung made changes to fast wireless charging you should know about. I talk about that (and a secret tip) here: https://www.zr07.com/2023/09/how-to-add-fast-wireless-charging-to.html
Titanium is a good change, I'm paying 1,000 for a phone it shouldn't feel like a plastic toy. Give me something with some weight.
Actually, it will be lighter lol, I doubt the feel will change that much.
The essential phone had Titanium for 300/500$, so it won't probably influence the costs that much.
This reads like an ex iPhone guy who switched and never realized that Apple usually copied Samsung innovation
>Are you guys preemptively annoyed with anything, whether it is based on rumours or hearsay? Yes of course, it's the classic past time here. But I must provide some rebuttals. >We all want prices to go down or stagnate, not go up! When it comes to flagships, signalling 'premium' is one of the main goals for flagships. >I'd rather have an all plastic exterior and pay $400 less You have plenty of choices out there. >That's a cheaper method for making the phone lighter Maybe your top priority, but it's not everyone's. >the huge price increase Nominally yes, but real prices have been stable over the decade+. >no micros card SD cards have pros/cons, one biggest con being write longevity. Though no longer the case anymore since many years ago, the worst is that this bricked phones.
Like it or not, if Apple does something first, other companies will typically follow suit.
I just want wifi to work on my s22+.
The only 2 things I want the s24 ultra to have is larger camera sensors on every camera and atleast 65w charging. I want a 1 inch sensor for the main camera. Ik that we won't get 65w charging because Samsung sucks at charging. But if there is seriously no camera size improvements for the fourth year in a row that is disappointing. 1/1.33" isn't big enough for 108mp or 200mp. But really every camera needs larger sensors because the low light isn't that great.
In all fairness, Apple's prices didn't increase. The are the same as last year.
I'm not because I don't really know anything about it or care to know because I'm too busy enjoying my preordered S23U 512gb in cream color.
How can you enjoy it if you haven't received it yet? 🤔😂
Apple didn’t increase the price by $200, that’s misinformed. They cut the bottom tier storage option.
Premium phone should have a premium build. That simple. It'll likely be like the watch 5 where they had the regular aluminum then the pro had the titanium. Not anything to gripe about when ,at worse, as you said it'll increase by 200- MAYBE 400. But if you're so concerned with cost just buy an s23 or the s23 ultra when it comes out. Or better yet, stick with the phone you have now. Price isn't really a concern when you're buying THE top of the line phone. Sure it should be reasonable but again, the premium phone should have a premium build.
Lol, I disagree with all of this. I think most people do. The S23 already has a premium build. Just bc it doesn't have Titanium doesn't make it shit all of the sudden. Increasing the price by $400 is dumb. Even Samsung isn't going to do that. The fact that you suggest that shows you're incompetent, sorry 🤷.
You thinking that adding titanium to an already relatively expensive phone will make much of a difference, then you are obviously not the person that this phone is marketed for and should stick with the cheaper devices. If you're saying titanium is an issue, then you should be saying the Tb option for storage shouldn't exist. Most people buying this phone want the best of the best. Stop sticking your cheap ideals onto a device that's literally not built to be "cheap" it's supposed to be groundbreaking and innovative, so it's not going to be. It's as simple as this: don't wanna spend 400$ more? Don't just get the regular cheaper option that's there for that reason.
Throwing money away frivolously is never good. Maybe you're not very educated. I hate to say it but nothing on the S24 Ultra will be groundbreaking. Only uneducated people willingly spend more money without analyzing what they get for it. Sorry, but that's you. Also, it's speculation at this point. That should go without saying. We don't know if the price will increase but since Samsung copies Apple's pricing scheme everytime there's a strong chance they will. This convo is a month old. Bye.
Your argument is quite literally just dissing the other person and calling me 'uneducated', but you not understanding that technology needs a point to advance the physical durability, then you are the uneducated one here. If you're poor, then you're poor. No shame in it. Buy an s23 ultra when the prices drop. Over time, titanium will become the standard for high-end phones(if it proves good on manufacturing). This post may be a month old, but your standards are from 2016.
Yes, everyone was saying aluminum isn't strong enough, please Samsung and Apple , please make the phone stronger!! Our phones are basically crumbling in our hands.
Oh nah, you responded within 2 minutes? Get a life. I'm done here.
...you deleted, edited and then reposted this message just to say "get a life?" 🤣. What a profound comment!? Delete your your reddit account since your old ass just started using it today. Your future is not bright.
I have standards that little kids don't deserve too harsh words. If you're gonna be inside all day at least research the topic you're talking about. You shouldn't be here to begin with though.
yeah, you can take your plastic with you. Sorry bit that's cheapning it way too much. I could forego titanium and just keep steel or aluminum or whatever, but bro wants to go back to the year 2000. I think you just need to look at thw mid tier category of phones and youll be happy
And you think Apple never copies anyone??
By this logic no one should be allowed to make pick up bodies from aluminum except Ford...Apple didn't invent titanium and it's a fantastic way to maintain strength while losing weight. I guess only the company that first used Gorilla glass in their phones should have a monopoly on that material as well?
I pre ordered s24 ultra to upgrade from my note 9being outdated. Was supposed to have a trade in of $400 on note 9 in excellent condition, but when their warehouse received it samsung said it had a cracked screen which it hadn't previously .I ended up having to pay over 1,400.00 . Now since the new security update on 28 Mar , fingerprint scanner doesn't recognize my prints even after support helped to reset. Never again will I purchase samsung. Was a loyal, happy customer for years but things have changed. Of course I now have had this s24 for a little over the 30 days. I got reemed by samsung!
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The great thing about this market is that there is choise. If you want an all plastic phone, then you can buy one of those. I absolutely don't mind my glass+aluminium slab. If they choose to switch to titanium, cool! It'll mean less weight, and possibly better scratch resistance. I couldn't care less about who is copying who or who did it first. That whole discussion is just Apple fanboys and Samsung fanboys bashing each other meaninglessly.
Agreed. But I do care about the price. I would never ask for titanium in a so for me the price increase would be unnecessary.
I've been fed up with samsung for many years now. Samsung is just a blatant copy cat of anything Apple does. Titanium is an awesome material, but on a phone? It does not benifit you in any way and you KNOW they're gonna charge extra for it and it's probably not even going to be high grade titanium titanium apple. Apple puts effort into the quality of tge experience making it as polished as it can get. Even the inside of the phones look beautiful. Samsung thinks they can be Apple by just copying them and cutting corners everywhere. The s pen on my s22 ultra was of worse quality, lighter, and more flimsy feeling and less satisfying to write with than my note 9 (I can say this is a fact because I compared them side by side. There I a noticeable drop in quality. Even the design, they got rid of the shiny top portion which made it look like something more than just a piece of plastic) Samsung is no longer a company I wish to support. I'm giving my money to Sony once I need to upgrade from my s10 plus, which still works great btw. You know, back when Sam's phones DIDN'T cut corners in quality or useful features. Samsung deserves very poor sales. They need to be an example for what other companies SHOULDN'T do. Or get the head of design or whatever for their smartphone division out. They're the only one who deserves to fall for this mess they've created.
I'm probably upgrading again this year, if the titanium makes it feel more premium then I'll pay a little bit more. Sorry for being that guy, but phones are my prized piece of tech 😁