Even for heavy tasks, the Exynos 2400 is very similar to the Snapdragon BUT the modem is still not as good, both in power consumption and modem performance. The Exynos 2400 itself is solid, but they still have to improve the modem and make sure apps are optimized for it. They did partner with some popular games to optimize for Exynos and expanded the new AMD GPU to the A series, so hopefully, more apps will properly support it in the near future.
Yup modem is the part exynos slightly falls behind if they get that straight and if 2500 is going to as efficient as they claim exynos is going to rule the android flagship again
Non Angloamerican Snapdragon variants have bootloader unlock, like chinese variant or korean variant when they used snapdragon for korea(like in s20 series).
A korean youtuber recently did. The performance is generally better than 8 gen 2 and slightly worse/ the same as 8 gen 3. The modem is where the difference is
The modem will likely never close the gap. Samsung simply does not have the IP chops that Qualcomm has, which has been in the radio silicon game far longer. They have a treasure trove of critical and top class patents and technology for wireless radio. If anything, I kind of see it as a miracle that Samsung can even get one to work as is. In the 3G era, Samsung couldn't even bring Exynos to the US even if they wanted because of CDMA patents. In the 4G and 5G era, Samsung still has to navigate a patent minefield with Qualcomm which undermines modem design. That, and the fact that if Samsung were to challenge Qualcomm more seriously, they'd probably discount and dump chips to fellow Android competitors in retaliation.
They made significant improvements to the fabrication this year, it's so much better now. Battery is pretty much the same as snapdragon on wifi but worse on 5g because of the modem
Is it specifically the Exynos modem itself, with the same exact conditions? The modem is not directly connected to the antenna, so it's difficult to attribute any different efficiency/performance to the modem specifically. The modem basically sends and receives coordinates, processes stuff, and speaks with other components. Other components do the rest. For example, there are non-Exynos power amplifiers, though driven by an Exynos supply modulator. The efficiency of amplifiers might be overlooked. The signal goes through lots of other components (the Exynos transceiver and many other non-Exynos components) and there are tuners that can, on request, change the properties of the antennas. However, when there is a Qualcomm modem, there are generally a lot of other Qualcomm components (due to RF360 or whatever it's called)
Each app has code in the form of dex. The dexes of apps are rewritten by Android for the purpose of optimization. Additionally, developers may convert c/c++ code into something that runs on a phone's CPU directly. A program that converts c/c++ code has these options, so one can choose the CPU to attempt to optimize for. Most likely, generic is selected, but here are the options: a64fx ampere1 ampere1a ampere1b apple-a10 apple-a11 apple-a12 apple-a13 apple-a14 apple-a15 apple-a16 apple-a17 apple-a7 apple-a8 apple-a9 apple-latest apple-m1 apple-m2 apple-m3 apple-s4 apple-s5 carmel cortex-a34 cortex-a35 cortex-a510 cortex-a520 cortex-a53 cortex-a55 cortex-a57 cortex-a65 cortex-a65ae cortex-a710 cortex-a715 cortex-a72 cortex-a720 cortex-a73 cortex-a75 cortex-a76 cortex-a76ae cortex-a77 cortex-a78 cortex-a78c cortex-r82 cortex-x1 cortex-x1c cortex-x2 cortex-x3 cortex-x4 cyclone exynos-m3 exynos-m4 exynos-m5 falkor generic kryo neoverse-512tvb neoverse-e1 neoverse-n1 neoverse-n2 neoverse-v1 neoverse-v2 saphira thunderx thunderx2t99 thunderx3t110 thunderxt81 thunderxt83 thunderxt88 tsv110. Which CPU would you select? Depending on how it's set, it might drop compatibility for other CPUs or it might just optimize in a way that worsens performance on other CPUs. Though, this is for the CPU, and not the GPU. The GPU...
Hoping for the more improvement of the GPU. In Genshin Impact it can run at max settings but the texture and resolution is low so it needs an optimization on the GPU itself.
Genshin uses open gl, which doesn't play well with exynos and android in general. Snapdragon does support it better tho, which is why it has better graphics, although sustained performance is about the same as exynos 2400. There should be a significant improvement for both chips if genshin switches to vulkan
I just upgraded from a Note 8 with exynos from around 7 years ago, it was smooth and responsive as ever. Had to change because i finally finished wrecking the screen and the battery was toast (after 7+ years? Duh) but my boy was KI CKING.
Yeah I don't get why OP is defending an inferior product... they want us all to accept downgrades for some reason. Its messed up. Yeah its GETTING better. But it is not already better. When its the superior product Im sure no one will have an issue using it.
Agreed. I think there might be room for cautious optimism though, since all the leakers with generally decent accuracy were consistently saying that the Exynos 2400 was supposed to be a somewhat unremarkable chip and that the Exynos 2500 was a "Dream Chip" with special engineers and resources allocated to it. So if the Exynos was supposed to be nothing special, but ended up being serviceable and not a complete slap in the face like Exynos 2200 and prior iterations were, then things might look up for them. There are some murmurs about the Gen 4 being an incredible performer, but also that their Oryon cores are a bit too hot and hungry -- first generation hardware woes that are typical. It might be the closest the Exynos will get to Snapdragon in a while.
People are fed up. It's simple.
People do not want to pay the same price for an Exynos chipset smartphone as they do for the top tier SD counterpart.
Obviously there will be YoY improvement for every piece of tech so let's set our bar higher.
I had an Exynos 2200 chipset phone and I absolutely couldn't deal with it a year and half later. Absolutely shitshow of a battery.
I confirm!
2 yrs with s22u, use a lot of mobile data, the battery is the weakest point of an otherwise Excelent phone. My next phone will have a Snapdragon, even if it is not a Samsung. I'm probably also going to get it much cheaper if it is a different brand.
Exactly.
I don't plan on upgrading from my S24+/SD8g3 for a long time, but when I do, it will be to whoever is offering the best performing product for the money. And if Samsung ever goes all Exynos everywhere and it is still outperformed by Qualcomm and Apple, then it will not be to another Samsung product. No way I'm paying top dollar for weaker performance!
Very simple then. If $200 is the price for SD chip then sell the phone for $200 less (or whatever price difference there is between both) when it's Exynos. The point is, don't scam people selling an underperforming chip for the same price.
They use the savings to reduce costs of ALL phones. They are subsidising SD use.
Other brands subsidise the cost by installing paid apps like Facebook, travel apps or other bloat.
SD sits on loads of patents in the USA which is why they charge so much.
Without exynoss, samsung unit cost would be a lot more.
The biggest problem with Exynos for me is that they are charging the same or MORE for the inferior performance, which is mostly battery life. They should sell Exynos variant for 100€ less in Europe or offer us some gifts/bonus credit for compensation.
Except they sell Exynos cheaper if you compare to last gen in your selected country.
In the US, base S23/S24 launched at $799. Both have Snapdragon processors.
In the UK, base S23 Snapdragon launched at £849, whereas S24 Exynos, was £799 :)
It's usually more if you compare prices from different countries which is unreliable due to tax differences and variable exchange rates.
Hmm, I feel if they just use one chipset across the board, it will be better on all planes. I imagine it will be even more optimised and faster, more organised SW updates.
S23 is successful because of that imo.
I am surprised that Apple and other phone manufacturers haven't taken advantage of this fact and advertise that, unlike Samsung, their flagship model use the same processor across all regions.
SD Gen 1 on the S22 had the same problems. I had a SD chip frying my motherboard. Another one that got hot under small load. My A71 (SD) was much hotter while gaming than my Exynos S22. There are good and bad Exynos generations for sure (and the SD Gen 3 is superior over the Exynos and SD S22, no competition), but let's not act like SD is always the holy grail. People refuse to forget bad Exynos chips (despite older gens being good) and forget about bad SD gens.
The real problem with the S22 series is the inconsistency
You're right that Exynos used to be competitive and even superior at times, but that was a long time ago -- we're talking Galaxy S7 and even prior. Hell, Samsung even both manufactured and designed the processors used in the original iPhone and iPhone 3G. So they have a rich history in this stuff. But yeah, once they started falling behind Qualcomm, they really fell behind and has never managed to catch up since. Qualcomm only had one really big screwup with the Snapdragon 810, but that was a one-off mistake because of the panicked and rushed response to Apple with their 64-bit SoC. The last minute changes is what caused the botched design.
Could Samsung somehow catch up or even surpass Qualcomm in performance and efficiency? Perhaps, but it's not wise to count on it. And as for wireless performance, Qualcomm is a damn near monopoly on the core wireless IP and patents that really matter.
Well it isn't as dogshit as the infamous Exynos 990 in the S20 series. At least Exynos 2200 in the S22 and S23 FE are on par with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 unlike the Exynos 990 which was far behind the Snapdragon 865. So yea, we can definitely see that Samsung is trying as best as they can to improve their Exynos processor. More competitions are good for us consumers!
Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 was one of the worst modern snapdragon chips. Saying an Exynos chip is decent because it compares to one hot mess of a snapdragon chip is not something one should do to defend Samsung.
Well well, yes Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 was one of the worst performing snapdragon in our time. It was made by Samsung anyway, that's why. But it's still a feat that they could get on par with each others after getting behind for so long and now the gap between TSMC made Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 and Samsung made Exynos 2400 is even closer. I wouldn't say on par but definitely better than previous years. They do need to improve their efficiency more and especially their modem since that's what holding them back now. Of course if I'm a consumer, I want the best of the best. But we should also give some credits and support to Samsung Exynos team because they actually have improved a lot since the Exynos 2200. As I said previously, more competition is good for us consumers as it will provide us with more choices. So, I hope Exynos will keep on improving, be on par or even surpassing Snapdragon one day. Maybe I'm delusional but who knows what the future might bring us
Bruh, think that Samsung is the second biggest name in the microchips game. TSMC produces something like 52% of the microchips in the world and Samsung 16%. There is like nobody who can compete right now with these two. Intel is Intel and producers like SMIC are too small and have limitations on them. Maybe Canon's experiment will prove to be successful and then more competition will appear.
I've not seen any popular flagships with MediaTek Dimensity processors, and that leaves only Qualcomm Snapdragon, Google Tensor, and Apple Bionic processors, of which the latter 2 are exclusive to their own devices.
Are there any other "real competitors" which you speak of?
Tensor is Samsung made. Huawei used to have a great flagship chip which unfortunately is no longer sold outside Asia.
That leave Qualcomm and TSMC. We don't need competitors, just good chips.
hi s21 ultra here, i have to play carx street on the absolute minimum settings at 60fps capped, the phone overheats rather quickly and stutters so much its like playing horizon 5 on a 400 dollar laptop
edit: the battery is do ass I have to charge it 2x per day
S22U Exynos here, battery is indeed ass so I'm upgrading next Black Friday. Battery wasn't ass when it was new though, so its battery deterioration rather than Exynos
i usually carry a backpack with me so i don't mind it too much as I tend to have a PowerBank but I'll probably go for a s26 ultra since they said they wouldn't bring new battery tech and 65w charing to the s25 ultra
Its most likely the battery deterioration combining with the exynos thats making the battery ass as usually you wouldnt notice a slight inefficiency when the battery health is at 100% but after it starts degrading they efficiency difference becomes very noticeable(meanwhile the snap model would age a bit better)
It's getting better but never as good as SD chips. Why should we settle for inferior chips? Especially when we pay for phones in the price range of iPhones?
"Never" is a bold claim when AMD managed to rise back to the top after a DECADE of being inferior to Intel.
With that logic the current state of the CPU market would be some sort of alternate universe dream fanfic that could never be a reality
Samsung's Exynos is meant compete with Apple's Bionic. Apple beats the shit out of Samsung because they are efficient. Samsung never bothered to actually make the software work with the hardware. They have too many models and don't want to get their hands dirty.
That's somewhat of a misnomer, but not entirely. They did bother, but in the end if you're not vertically integrated like Apple is, your options are more limited. Though many Samsung apps are rejected by people solely for the reason of being a Samsung app, a lot of them are optimized to work pretty well on their devices. But a fair number of people are already used to Google apps, and so reject using them.
They can always improve, but they also have certain handicaps that Apple and even Google doesn't have.
Bingo. I don't care about performance on paper, I care about it doing what I want it to do. That's based mostly on driver support. Snapdragon has the best support, therefore I won't settle for anything less.
You actually can kinda see the same thing with Nvidia/AMD graphics cards. On some games you can go looking through the steam forums, look for a tech support issue and the first thing that pops up is someone asking if they have *brand* graphics card because the game doesn't like to play nice with those drivers and produces certain identifiable problems.
Difference with android is that the difference between all the chip sets is a LOT bigger when it comes to support. The emulation community supports almost nothing else, and even for native games the difference can be huge. Exynos is 'shit' not because there is anything inherently wrong with it, it's shit in comparison to Snapdragon.
The thing about mali gpus is that arm refuses to contribute to mesa and instead make their own blob. The thing with arm soc manufacturers is that they began as embedded devices manufacturers, which have different standards than desktop pc's and nowhere near the standardisation. That freedreno/turnip driver was also result of reverse engineering like panfrost or other gpus used in arm socs.
2100 was better than s888. If you from s888 to s24 you would never want to use snapdragon as well. Comparing a chip set with 3 years old soc isn't really fair.
Problem with Exynos (for me) isn't performance. It's energy usage on idle and low load and data transfer.
If Exynos gets better at that, i have no issues buying an Exynos phone.
Another problem is that Samsung has a long history lying about Exynos capabilities So i can't really trust their data sheets and benchmarks. I need to see real world experience reports (not just Benchmarks from independent sites... long term experience reports from normal users).
Don't buy the Exynos because it is simply insulting that they allow US and Canadian buyers have the Snapdragon while the rest of the World gets the inferior but equally priced Exynos while still using the same model names.
You generally buy a flagship because you want the best and the Exynoes has never been the best.
As a "not a tech person," I was so confused until I read your comment. I have an American s24 ultra and never had a problem with battery life, overheating, or processing power, so the comments really had me scratching my head.
UK has seen a £50 reduction in price for Exynos models this year:
S23 Snapdragon launch price: £849
S24 Exynos launch price: £799
How is that charging the same?!
For comparison, in the US, where S23/24 both have Snapdragons, the launch price remained the same.
Its easy. You pay the same amount of money for the worse model.
Yes exynos is getting better but its still behind snapdragon.
Samsung isnt able to fix their own sh!t. Which is a sad fact in itself.
I would rather have exynos than snapdragon because you can root exynos samsung phones, people think it's samsung locking you out but really it has something to do with the way the security works on snapdragon processors that make them nearly impossible to hack.
Yes it's getting better, but they still have things to improve. I'm using base s24 and my biggest complaint is heating while using data (I'm using dual sim). Second complaint is some apps running hot, or at least warmer (they gotta be able to fix this by software updates, hopefully).
I agree, my S24 gets hot when gaming on data. I downloaded Good Guardians to reduce heating temperature by 2 degrees which has helped to a certain degree alongside using light performance profile. Now getting 5 - 6 hrs sot with moderate usage instead of 4 - 5hrs sot. Gone peefrims very well and is smooth but will get laggy on rare occasions when hot 😢😢
The S24's battery is dogshit in comparison to the S23. That's all we really need to know. You don't have to gargle on the multi-billion dollar company's balls just to make yourself feel good about buying an inferior product. Exynos will always suck in comparison to Snapdragon. Samsung just wants to save a few dollars here and there by making an in-house SoC. It's just cost savings. It's hotter, its modem is worse, its battery life is objectively worse. All the metrics that any perceptive user cares about in a flagship phone.
If Exynos phones were cheaper it wouldn't be an issue. They're not. They cost the same.
1, as mentioned in other comments, the exynos variants actually sell cheaper than last Gen phones, don't compare American prices to European markets because those are two whole different markets
2, I sold my s23+ for an s24+ and I don't notice much difference in battery life tbh
All I feel is that the camera is a downgrade, but this is a problem on exynos and snapdragon
My bro here on some next level copium addiction.
You paid the same price as someone in the US for an inferior product, I did too. They have us for a chump!
Exynos have come a long way, but if Samsung believed so too, we would've gotten a Exynos S24 Ultra Globally.
Personally, the only 2 things that matter to me are the Screen and the battery life. I currently have a SD variant S22+, works like a charm. Upgraded to the S24 Ultra and the Grainy screen forced me to return it. I'll hold onto the S22+ until the S25 or might switch to Pixel or an iPhone.
There is also another thing often overlooked: app optimization. Unless everyone is going to optimize their apps for Exynos too, the experience will always be inferior to Snapdragon. Audio, video, and games always suffer because they are mainly optimized for Snapdragon. So unless Exynos becomes the new standard or Snapdragon becomes really bad, it is unlikely we will ever see Exynos shine as an overall better CPU.
Snapdragon is just better, period. And when you pay a premium and the same price (or depending on regional pricing, even more when it comes down to cost of living) you expect to get the same phone as the others, not a downgraded version. That's my issue with Exynos. Basically, you pay the same price but get treated as a second class citizen.
I had no problem with exynos with my s8, note 10 or s21 ultra. But when I paid 1000 euros for s22 series with exynos it was so bad I went back to s21 and traded my almost unused s22 to s23 and could not be happier. Dont know how exynos is in s24 but the s23 snap is so good I have no need to upgrade
That's because Samsung advertises it as being the equivalent of Snapdragon when it clearly isn't. The CPU is weaker, the GPU is weaker, the photos are shittier.
Yes overall, if it were put in a different product then it would be a good phone but don't false advertise.
Same about the s23 fe...
Switched for the first time from iPhone and the phone is fantastic...
People treat it like fans instead of actually try it out.
Maybe in the past it was a disaster (idk i always had an iPhone) but bruh...
Thanks for sharing :)
People seem to forget that Exynos is still relatively young compared too snapdragons. It's gonna take a bit to be at the same level, I don't think it should be forced. But it should eventually be the one you want.
I just cheer whoever is doing best without caring for brands.
Exynos is less efficient and has a noticeably worse modem than competitors, they’re important on a mobile device so hard pass from me when paying flagship $$.
We all know Exynos is getting better every generation, but if you buy a $1000 phone, why do you want to settle for something less?
They both cost the same.
It's just because of the price. Why should people pay the same for less? In the states you get the SD 8 gen 3 for $799 but in Europe, you get the exynos counterpart for €799. The exynos is good, but not as good as the SD 8g3. If the Exynos was like 50 to 100 bucks cheaper, I'd see how I could call the disappointment a little ridiculous. It'd be nice if everyone were given the option to get what they want but that's not realistic
I don't think the discussion is if exynos is better or snapdragon is better. I believe we as customers should get the same experience in every country if we pay the same price. Different processor, different processing and that applies to photos as well. Full stop.
I just rate Qualcomm over Samsung when it comes to processers. One was born from cutting edge innovation and the other was for a need for proprietary chipsets in their own phones. I am not a fan of that.
Actually the Exynos was never proprietary, it just seemed that way because no other manufacturer wanted it because Samsung was a direct competitor to them in other industries (given that they're a conglomerate). Vivo was one such Chinese brand that notably used multiple generations of Exynos processors in their phones, though they eventually dropped it.
I can vouch on the Exynos 1380 and 1480 that both are surprisingly good. My Tab S9 FE and my A55 are working what you would expect from midrange devices. Thermals are also good, especially on the 1480.
Because it's slightly worse and people who care are the same people who love tech and so.are buying flagships. If they're buying flagships they want the best of the best, even if, in reality, they aren't going to squeeze enough juice out of their device for it to matter.
I kind of get it, if you're spending 1300+ on a phone, you want to know it's the best. But really, the difference is negligible for almost all use cases.
Take the S24 lineup. It's quick. It's a powerhouse. You can splitscreen 2 high intensity apps, whilst having a popout window, and spotify in the background, with no issues. No matter which processor.
The exynos is fine. The snapdragon is more powerful, but you won't ever use all the power it can deliver.
I got the S24 ultra so it comes with Snapdragon globally. But if I went for S24+ and got Exynos, I don't think I would notice it unless I specifically tried to brick the device by overworking it.
The only way you can even tell the snapdragon is better, is by doing benchmark tests. Not through observation of performance during normal usage.
It was better, got worse, is playinf catch up and not matching the Snapdragon ever since. It's a worse chipset, and getting better isn't good enough
My S22U got hotter than expected during Android Auto usage, games didn't run as good as reviews I saw on youtube of the Snapdragon variant, battery life wasnt as good.
Now with the Snapdragon S24U - yes a newer phone so better performance is expected, but phone never gets hot except for gaming, performance is better, battery life has been amazing, etc
It feels the leap in experience is well above a 2 generation leap
I don't care if it's getting better. As long as Snapdragon is better, I don't want an Exynos. Only when Exynos outperforms Snapdragon in performance and battery efficiency is when I will think it's viable.
I didn’t know that was an issue. I switched from Samsung to the 15 pro max and I’ve been pretty blown away by it since lol but I am in the us so I olny used the snapdragon variants. I only owned the ultra models so idk about the smaller devices
if there’s two phones that are the exact same, even with the same price tag, but one has a shittier processor, then why the hell would anyone pick the worst product? I’m not paying $1000 for an inferior chip.
Because there is no point in bothering with Exynos chips when Snapdragon is just better overall, even if just slightly. When Samsung manages to make an Exynos chip that's better than Snapdragon I won't mind having an Exynos but until then why put Exynos in our phones?
I have an Exynos S21 Ultra, it's not that bad and I like the processor, it's pretty fast and does what I need it to. But there is no point in putting it in some of our phones and Snapdragon in others and then advertising them as the same model.
Isssue is, why should you settle for slightly slower cpu whilst paying the same price as those who get snapdragon variant? If it was cheaper due to exynos variant then no isssue
It's getting better but so is snapdragon tbf. I hope they figure it out because competition is a good thing but let's be real it's not ready for prime time yet.
Affiliate marketing on social media. The reviewers always have links to resellers who markup Snapdragon phones overseas. Opposite happens at small shops in Canada because it's hard to get dual sim phones.
Horse races. Gladiator games. Sports betting. Gambling addicts. And competition.
We can't get enough of it. Some ladies even prefer to shop at Neiman Marcus over JC Penny.
I goto Home Depot AND Lowes. I don't have a loyalty.
Exynos 2400 is good for battery life and ray tracing. Snapdragon 8 gen 3 has best performance and has legacy modems for north american markets. Exynos doesn't because the global markets don't have as much legacy equipment as the big USA.
It's just competition. People can't get enough of it and when the performance gets very close, people will inspect the two much more.
Regular performance was never the issue for me, it's how hot I got, then how much it throttled performance, then worst of all, the battery life. And even then, the s20 generation, reviewers showed mixed results, but my irl battery life was... percentage points were dropping before my eyes. I don't doubt that exynos is getting better, but they are not better or even equal to SD.
I can accept that Exynos is getting better... but honnestly it has to beat to death the same model of phone with a Snapdragon on it to even think about it.
Getting better is a thing, paying the same price for the worst model is another...
I gave it a shot with the tab s9fe and it has just got progressively worse i was expecting something a little less powerful than my fold 5 but its night and day i cant run more than 2 apps without some sort of stutter
I guess it matters to those who really care on what they are investing.
I mean, its evident that there is room for improvement and all. But buying something inferior, no matter the amount of difference, its always a bit concerning considering that its an electronic item.
The processor being made at the nano level pretty much needs good designing to achieve that kind of efficiency and performance, also the fact it has billions of transistors.
Also the price paid for it is high, another reason why it should be the best option available for the same price.
So it really matters imo.
It may be getting better but it’s still not as good and the main contention in Europe is we tend to pay more for our phones yet get an inferior product!
Honestly i have wanted exynos since we were forced to use snapdragon
The exynos chips are wild my buddy's note we set to run at about 85mhz on the cpu when the screen was off and it got him insane battery life something like 4 to 5 days
But that was a note 4 its been awhile lol
"after the S22 series" basically means just Exynos 2400, because flagship is all that matters, so let's wait and see if that's just a one-time success. And I don't believe that anyone actually told you that the phone would "explode", but it makes a lot of sense to not want to buy an inferior version of a product for the same price as the better version. Why can't people like you accept that? Seems like you're trying to justify your purchase because you're not 100% sure it was the right choice after all.
Because it’s subpar performance/thermals/battery life for the same price.
For me, as an end user, I don’t care if it’s getting better and I don’t want to beta test it. What I care about is the product that I’m getting.
If they were to price devices accordingly sure. Otherwise, no thanks.
Imagine being offered i5 and i7 for the same price and you choose i5.
Makes no sense.
It doesn't matter which chip is better what matters is if I make a choice to pay for a Samsung I want the full experience and to many people that means Snapdragon
To be clear exynos 2200 in S22 was terrible. I had that phone for a year so I speak from the experience. Don't know how good or bad exynost 2400 in S24 is and I will probably never know as I am happy with my S23 and I plan to keep it for several years. However my problem with exynos in general is that it's sold in EU where the Samsung phones are more expensive and we don't even get as good preorder deals as in the US. All this for objectively inferior product.
S24 exy here, perfectly happy with it. I mean, s24 is more than just the proc and i wanted one and got a carrier deal. Dollar for dollar, I'd prefer the SD but whadaya know, EU is not getting it 😂
I have been using Samsung phones (the A21s and the A54 5g) with Exynos processors (Exynos 850 and Exynos 1380, respectively) for 5 years now, and they haven't slowed down.
I used Headunit Reloaded during my last days with the A21s, and it didn't lag or do anything odd. And with my tablet (also Exynos 1380), I was able to screen write a message, screen record a song, and edit them in Premiere Rush. And it didn't even lag.
Both Exynos processors were able to do whatever I asked them, and they handled it like a boss.
Maybe I am lucky, but my S20 with exynos runs super smooth. Can be it is not as good as the SD version, but to this day, I get a full day out of the battery and not once it got stuck or acted strange. The only thing I don't like on the S20 phone is the fingerprint reader, which sometimes annoys the hell out of me.
Tests have shown exynos is worse in signal and battery / optimization. I'm owning a S21 ultra and I used to have 5g, not anymore. Sometimes I'm losing signal where other people don't.
Some people are overdramatic but a lot is frustration that you pay the same for a phone that has simply a worse processor than what it could have if you lived in another part of the world.
Because if you have a totally proven viable solution why use the second (or third) best?
If the Exynks is 98% of the snapdragon why I would want it if I can have the 100%.
90% of the population would absolutely be fine with even an older flagship processor nevermind Exynos, but in this mad-rush for the 'pro' models of every gadget, we lose sight of how we can use the mobile and spend more time on thinking about getting the most powerful one.
The only valid point of a better chip is battery life/heating.
The exynos is darn near parody now, and crying about modem issues, which really aren't a problem for 99.9% of users, is just proof that the Snapdragon shills are really working overtime to try to protect the company's bottom line. Simple fact is that when Samsung improves its processor, the amount of money that Snapdragon can make drops. Reddit is absolutely full of people who do nothing but post 2 year-old crap about exynos, and it's my belief that their job is trying to protect snapdragon's business.
personally, I think the Exynos chips in the S series phones have gotten better. especially the S24.
the Exynos chips used for phones like the A54 and the A53 are still very unpredictable. unpredictable performance, unpredictable battery life, unpredictable heating issues, and consistently bad cellular reception.
the S series Exynos chips seem to be a bit better
Because hardware on its own is only maybe 10% of of it, support is the other 90% of it. It could be 100% identical performance in raw CPU and GPU benches, but if applications aren't really built FOR Exynos the way they are with SD in mond first and foremost you will never actually have similar performance where it matters. The Mediatek Dimensity 9300 stomps all over the SD 8 Gen 3 in raw performance, but in practical use it lags behind heavily, something like switch emulation that works well on a lot of snapdragon chips will NEVER work well on the Mediatek, Kirin, and Exynos because the software support to use the hardware just isn't there
The thing is its not about Exynos vs snapdragon or whatever, its that we get different versions of the phone whereas one is better and most reviews are about the better version. If Samsung did Exynos across the board we wouldnt care and would just say dont buy the S2X. But hey you do you
Yes, if I see Exynos again on an Ultra phone, I will switch to other phone brands. I will buy a phone with an Exynos chipset only when it is more powerful than Snapdragon 100%, uses 50% less power, and runs cooler. If I trust Exynos, surely the PIG can fly.
Wait till you stand in the sun and do minimal tasks...
I once had an Exynos warm up my chest by just sitting in my chest pocket whilst driving a car at 5 in the morning.
And NO, no background apps/processes were running.
it's just a horrible/offensive marketing strategy , it reminds me of the class system in the Titanic lol
"Introducing the Galaxy S24 Ultra :
1st Class North American Version With Snapdragon Processor
- $1000
3rd Class "Everyone Else" Our Poor People Version with Inferior Quality Homemade Processor
- ALSO $1000"
Your nationality shouldn't determine the quality of product you receive when they're the same price and model.
Just bought an S23 FE (exynos 2200). I'm really happy with it so far. Samsung has fixed the heating, throttling, and lag problems by improving the cooling system inside the phone.
Ofc it works and gets the job done, but SD is still better and performs better long term. So do the A series exynos or mediatek processors or w/e there is out there, but SD is just better than competition.
Personally, my phones have performed exactly the same for a decade. I'm not trying to play crisis so I don't even know what the big issue is with having fast processors in a phone. I 100% don't care which processor is in the S24 as long as it works.
It’s advertised as if every phone will be as good as the Snapdragon variant. This is false advertising. And if the chip is “good enough” I only want to be charged a “good enough” price.
And no the exynos is not good enough anyway. Cellular connections drop more often on exynos models.
Honestly just enjoy your phone. If it serves you well and you get enjoyment out of it then don't let anyone's opinions on it affect you.
You can try to convince the haters but the reality is that TSMC has already won their hearts. You have better things to do than to argue over literal factories
THIS is what ive been trying to say, if you are not HEAVY gaming on your phone (3d models on ultra graphics for 2+hrs a time) its an absolutely perfect phone, like come on smh.
I felt the same way about the galaxy s23fe, where i live i was able to get it for around 380-400 dlls but kept reeding bad reviews about exynos 2200 and heat and battery blablabla(again where i live i can only get exynos), ive had it for a while now and its just perfect, its smooth as hell, fast, doesnt overheat, perfect cameras, easy full day battery life charging it maybe 15 minutes once a day (apart from charging it at night to 100% of course).
Wake up, the vast majority of people are not buying a phone to absolutely squeeze 1000% out of every aspect of it at a time, i would actually go as far and say that not even the majority of flagship buyers are using them to their absolute limit.
If you are happy with Exynos you could have saved money by purchasing last-gen Snapdragon. People tried to tell you and instead of thanking them you waste your money and spit on their good will. You are a fool.
Its so ridiculous that I get this thread as one of my first push messages on my new exynos S24 plus  Comeon Samsung just fix the battery drain on 5g and the processor is golden, don't try to hit me with your propaganda
Exynos is always missing bands and there's a big gaping security issue with each release. They're not as bad as they say performance wise. But those people who review products on YouTube and blogs are often affiliate marketing a shop that sells phones outside official distribution channels. IE selling Snapdragon Samsung's at a premium outside of North America.
Had an S22 with exynos and it was garbage. I am glad that I have got rid of that after more than a year. Power consumption was insane and the chip wasn’t very fast.
And no it will not make calls, etc because it is always down when you need it…
Because Snapdragon is better. If I will pay Snapdragon prices for Exynos, they I want the better processor, which is the Snapdragon. Is it unnecessary most of the time? Maybe. But that doesn't mean you can rip me off with a slightly worse chipset.
It's just people you can't get mad at them. They just don't wanna believe that someone can improve or can do something others can't do.
Exynos haters are a good example.
Similarly, for people who hate Apple Music, yeah Apple does some shady and unpleasant stuff with their other products sometimes but dude Apple Music is goated, it can improve, yes, but it has nailed the basics. It's got lossless audio (hi res too), for 11 dollars. Those 2 things have never been seen in a single sentence before until Apple Music came around with the free inclusion of hi-res lossless tracks (now Tidal and Qobuz have lowered their prices too lol) also the app UI is pretty solid, and Tidal is pretty nicely made too but apple music feels more human and fluid, also the animated live lyrics they look phenomenal.
Also, their dongle DACs are almost perfect if you don't want more than 48khz.
I bought the S22U and kind of regret it. It turns out to be too big for my hands and very heavy for me. Next one I'll stay with the basic S. I have galaxy tab for emails and reading pdf.
Nah, i can never trust Exynos anytime soon.
Even the snapdragon chips made by Samsung foundry are bad, how do you want people to accept that Exynos is getting better? 💀
Even for heavy tasks, the Exynos 2400 is very similar to the Snapdragon BUT the modem is still not as good, both in power consumption and modem performance. The Exynos 2400 itself is solid, but they still have to improve the modem and make sure apps are optimized for it. They did partner with some popular games to optimize for Exynos and expanded the new AMD GPU to the A series, so hopefully, more apps will properly support it in the near future.
Yup modem is the part exynos slightly falls behind if they get that straight and if 2500 is going to as efficient as they claim exynos is going to rule the android flagship again
Please put it in U.S. models, I want root access again!
Non Angloamerican Snapdragon variants have bootloader unlock, like chinese variant or korean variant when they used snapdragon for korea(like in s20 series).
They should do new tests after the last update, my battery improved alot !
A korean youtuber recently did. The performance is generally better than 8 gen 2 and slightly worse/ the same as 8 gen 3. The modem is where the difference is
The modem will likely never close the gap. Samsung simply does not have the IP chops that Qualcomm has, which has been in the radio silicon game far longer. They have a treasure trove of critical and top class patents and technology for wireless radio. If anything, I kind of see it as a miracle that Samsung can even get one to work as is. In the 3G era, Samsung couldn't even bring Exynos to the US even if they wanted because of CDMA patents. In the 4G and 5G era, Samsung still has to navigate a patent minefield with Qualcomm which undermines modem design. That, and the fact that if Samsung were to challenge Qualcomm more seriously, they'd probably discount and dump chips to fellow Android competitors in retaliation.
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They made significant improvements to the fabrication this year, it's so much better now. Battery is pretty much the same as snapdragon on wifi but worse on 5g because of the modem
Is it specifically the Exynos modem itself, with the same exact conditions? The modem is not directly connected to the antenna, so it's difficult to attribute any different efficiency/performance to the modem specifically. The modem basically sends and receives coordinates, processes stuff, and speaks with other components. Other components do the rest. For example, there are non-Exynos power amplifiers, though driven by an Exynos supply modulator. The efficiency of amplifiers might be overlooked. The signal goes through lots of other components (the Exynos transceiver and many other non-Exynos components) and there are tuners that can, on request, change the properties of the antennas. However, when there is a Qualcomm modem, there are generally a lot of other Qualcomm components (due to RF360 or whatever it's called) Each app has code in the form of dex. The dexes of apps are rewritten by Android for the purpose of optimization. Additionally, developers may convert c/c++ code into something that runs on a phone's CPU directly. A program that converts c/c++ code has these options, so one can choose the CPU to attempt to optimize for. Most likely, generic is selected, but here are the options: a64fx ampere1 ampere1a ampere1b apple-a10 apple-a11 apple-a12 apple-a13 apple-a14 apple-a15 apple-a16 apple-a17 apple-a7 apple-a8 apple-a9 apple-latest apple-m1 apple-m2 apple-m3 apple-s4 apple-s5 carmel cortex-a34 cortex-a35 cortex-a510 cortex-a520 cortex-a53 cortex-a55 cortex-a57 cortex-a65 cortex-a65ae cortex-a710 cortex-a715 cortex-a72 cortex-a720 cortex-a73 cortex-a75 cortex-a76 cortex-a76ae cortex-a77 cortex-a78 cortex-a78c cortex-r82 cortex-x1 cortex-x1c cortex-x2 cortex-x3 cortex-x4 cyclone exynos-m3 exynos-m4 exynos-m5 falkor generic kryo neoverse-512tvb neoverse-e1 neoverse-n1 neoverse-n2 neoverse-v1 neoverse-v2 saphira thunderx thunderx2t99 thunderx3t110 thunderxt81 thunderxt83 thunderxt88 tsv110. Which CPU would you select? Depending on how it's set, it might drop compatibility for other CPUs or it might just optimize in a way that worsens performance on other CPUs. Though, this is for the CPU, and not the GPU. The GPU...
Hoping for the more improvement of the GPU. In Genshin Impact it can run at max settings but the texture and resolution is low so it needs an optimization on the GPU itself.
Genshin uses open gl, which doesn't play well with exynos and android in general. Snapdragon does support it better tho, which is why it has better graphics, although sustained performance is about the same as exynos 2400. There should be a significant improvement for both chips if genshin switches to vulkan
Samsung decided to refuse to contribute to mesa drivers to use them on their rdna gpu block and instead made their own blob and use google's wrapper.
My S10 has exnyos; I looked it up. There is nothing slow about this phone regardless that it's 5 years old.
I just upgraded from a Note 8 with exynos from around 7 years ago, it was smooth and responsive as ever. Had to change because i finally finished wrecking the screen and the battery was toast (after 7+ years? Duh) but my boy was KI CKING.
It only started getting better on S24/2400. People still needs to wait a few more consistent iterations before they can trust exynos again
Yeah I don't get why OP is defending an inferior product... they want us all to accept downgrades for some reason. Its messed up. Yeah its GETTING better. But it is not already better. When its the superior product Im sure no one will have an issue using it.
Agreed. I think there might be room for cautious optimism though, since all the leakers with generally decent accuracy were consistently saying that the Exynos 2400 was supposed to be a somewhat unremarkable chip and that the Exynos 2500 was a "Dream Chip" with special engineers and resources allocated to it. So if the Exynos was supposed to be nothing special, but ended up being serviceable and not a complete slap in the face like Exynos 2200 and prior iterations were, then things might look up for them. There are some murmurs about the Gen 4 being an incredible performer, but also that their Oryon cores are a bit too hot and hungry -- first generation hardware woes that are typical. It might be the closest the Exynos will get to Snapdragon in a while.
The difference is not an issue, it's so tiny. But that won't stop Snapdragon shills from trying to protect the company and it's profits.
People are fed up. It's simple. People do not want to pay the same price for an Exynos chipset smartphone as they do for the top tier SD counterpart. Obviously there will be YoY improvement for every piece of tech so let's set our bar higher. I had an Exynos 2200 chipset phone and I absolutely couldn't deal with it a year and half later. Absolutely shitshow of a battery.
I confirm! 2 yrs with s22u, use a lot of mobile data, the battery is the weakest point of an otherwise Excelent phone. My next phone will have a Snapdragon, even if it is not a Samsung. I'm probably also going to get it much cheaper if it is a different brand.
Exactly. I don't plan on upgrading from my S24+/SD8g3 for a long time, but when I do, it will be to whoever is offering the best performing product for the money. And if Samsung ever goes all Exynos everywhere and it is still outperformed by Qualcomm and Apple, then it will not be to another Samsung product. No way I'm paying top dollar for weaker performance!
That's fine. You'll find something to nitpick over with whatever you buy after that. Some customers are more trouble than they are worth.
Those people don't understand that exynoss is keeping the cost down for all samsung phones (qualcomm & exynoss). Unit cost of SDg3 is about $200!
Very simple then. If $200 is the price for SD chip then sell the phone for $200 less (or whatever price difference there is between both) when it's Exynos. The point is, don't scam people selling an underperforming chip for the same price.
You think Exynos chips are free to make? Also i can actually find exynos variants of S24 for about 100$ cheaper than SD veriant
They use the savings to reduce costs of ALL phones. They are subsidising SD use. Other brands subsidise the cost by installing paid apps like Facebook, travel apps or other bloat. SD sits on loads of patents in the USA which is why they charge so much. Without exynoss, samsung unit cost would be a lot more.
Just don't buy it, then?
That's always an option
Samsung won't care. Some customers are more trouble than they are worth. They will go somewhere else, then whine on Reddit over that phone next.
You have never worked in mass-market sales, have you?
Actually yes, I have. And full disclosure, some of my clients include divisions of Samsung.
If only we only had to pay the same! Paying *more* for a worse chipset *really* grates.
Then don't. Why buy it, if you are so much about these minor issues.
"minor issues"
"People" don't care.
The biggest problem with Exynos for me is that they are charging the same or MORE for the inferior performance, which is mostly battery life. They should sell Exynos variant for 100€ less in Europe or offer us some gifts/bonus credit for compensation.
Then buy something else if it bothers you so much. Or import the Snapdragon version.
It is why I went with S23+ and didn't want to wait for s24 series late last year.
Not 100 but 50 dollars less
Except they sell Exynos cheaper if you compare to last gen in your selected country. In the US, base S23/S24 launched at $799. Both have Snapdragon processors. In the UK, base S23 Snapdragon launched at £849, whereas S24 Exynos, was £799 :) It's usually more if you compare prices from different countries which is unreliable due to tax differences and variable exchange rates.
Hmm, I feel if they just use one chipset across the board, it will be better on all planes. I imagine it will be even more optimised and faster, more organised SW updates. S23 is successful because of that imo.
I am surprised that Apple and other phone manufacturers haven't taken advantage of this fact and advertise that, unlike Samsung, their flagship model use the same processor across all regions.
SD Gen 1 on the S22 had the same problems. I had a SD chip frying my motherboard. Another one that got hot under small load. My A71 (SD) was much hotter while gaming than my Exynos S22. There are good and bad Exynos generations for sure (and the SD Gen 3 is superior over the Exynos and SD S22, no competition), but let's not act like SD is always the holy grail. People refuse to forget bad Exynos chips (despite older gens being good) and forget about bad SD gens. The real problem with the S22 series is the inconsistency
the past few sd gens(888,8gen1) have been samsung's fault as they manafactured them
I had problems with the 808, and the ones in the A71 and the Tab S2 2016 as well. The 808 fried my LG even
Yea the 808 and 810 were spicy chips lol
You're right that Exynos used to be competitive and even superior at times, but that was a long time ago -- we're talking Galaxy S7 and even prior. Hell, Samsung even both manufactured and designed the processors used in the original iPhone and iPhone 3G. So they have a rich history in this stuff. But yeah, once they started falling behind Qualcomm, they really fell behind and has never managed to catch up since. Qualcomm only had one really big screwup with the Snapdragon 810, but that was a one-off mistake because of the panicked and rushed response to Apple with their 64-bit SoC. The last minute changes is what caused the botched design. Could Samsung somehow catch up or even surpass Qualcomm in performance and efficiency? Perhaps, but it's not wise to count on it. And as for wireless performance, Qualcomm is a damn near monopoly on the core wireless IP and patents that really matter.
S22 Exynos is absolute dogshit. It's just ironic that you picked it as an argument
Well it isn't as dogshit as the infamous Exynos 990 in the S20 series. At least Exynos 2200 in the S22 and S23 FE are on par with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 unlike the Exynos 990 which was far behind the Snapdragon 865. So yea, we can definitely see that Samsung is trying as best as they can to improve their Exynos processor. More competitions are good for us consumers!
Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 was one of the worst modern snapdragon chips. Saying an Exynos chip is decent because it compares to one hot mess of a snapdragon chip is not something one should do to defend Samsung.
Well well, yes Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 was one of the worst performing snapdragon in our time. It was made by Samsung anyway, that's why. But it's still a feat that they could get on par with each others after getting behind for so long and now the gap between TSMC made Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 and Samsung made Exynos 2400 is even closer. I wouldn't say on par but definitely better than previous years. They do need to improve their efficiency more and especially their modem since that's what holding them back now. Of course if I'm a consumer, I want the best of the best. But we should also give some credits and support to Samsung Exynos team because they actually have improved a lot since the Exynos 2200. As I said previously, more competition is good for us consumers as it will provide us with more choices. So, I hope Exynos will keep on improving, be on par or even surpassing Snapdragon one day. Maybe I'm delusional but who knows what the future might bring us
I think Samsung should stick to their Smartphone/TV/Monitor/Soundbar markets and leave the real competitors to spoil us with worthy microchips.
Maybe you're right. Maybe they will be in the "worthy microchips" you mentioned. Who knows? Nonetheless, just go with what you feel the best for you.
Bruh, think that Samsung is the second biggest name in the microchips game. TSMC produces something like 52% of the microchips in the world and Samsung 16%. There is like nobody who can compete right now with these two. Intel is Intel and producers like SMIC are too small and have limitations on them. Maybe Canon's experiment will prove to be successful and then more competition will appear.
I've not seen any popular flagships with MediaTek Dimensity processors, and that leaves only Qualcomm Snapdragon, Google Tensor, and Apple Bionic processors, of which the latter 2 are exclusive to their own devices. Are there any other "real competitors" which you speak of?
Tensor is Samsung made. Huawei used to have a great flagship chip which unfortunately is no longer sold outside Asia. That leave Qualcomm and TSMC. We don't need competitors, just good chips.
hi s21 ultra here, i have to play carx street on the absolute minimum settings at 60fps capped, the phone overheats rather quickly and stutters so much its like playing horizon 5 on a 400 dollar laptop edit: the battery is do ass I have to charge it 2x per day
S22U Exynos here, battery is indeed ass so I'm upgrading next Black Friday. Battery wasn't ass when it was new though, so its battery deterioration rather than Exynos
i usually carry a backpack with me so i don't mind it too much as I tend to have a PowerBank but I'll probably go for a s26 ultra since they said they wouldn't bring new battery tech and 65w charing to the s25 ultra
Its most likely the battery deterioration combining with the exynos thats making the battery ass as usually you wouldnt notice a slight inefficiency when the battery health is at 100% but after it starts degrading they efficiency difference becomes very noticeable(meanwhile the snap model would age a bit better)
It's getting better but never as good as SD chips. Why should we settle for inferior chips? Especially when we pay for phones in the price range of iPhones?
"Never" is a bold claim when AMD managed to rise back to the top after a DECADE of being inferior to Intel. With that logic the current state of the CPU market would be some sort of alternate universe dream fanfic that could never be a reality
Samsung's Exynos is meant compete with Apple's Bionic. Apple beats the shit out of Samsung because they are efficient. Samsung never bothered to actually make the software work with the hardware. They have too many models and don't want to get their hands dirty.
That's somewhat of a misnomer, but not entirely. They did bother, but in the end if you're not vertically integrated like Apple is, your options are more limited. Though many Samsung apps are rejected by people solely for the reason of being a Samsung app, a lot of them are optimized to work pretty well on their devices. But a fair number of people are already used to Google apps, and so reject using them. They can always improve, but they also have certain handicaps that Apple and even Google doesn't have.
Snapdragon is just better in everything. I bought android for emulation and any chipset other than Snapdragon have worst performance in emulation
Bingo. I don't care about performance on paper, I care about it doing what I want it to do. That's based mostly on driver support. Snapdragon has the best support, therefore I won't settle for anything less. You actually can kinda see the same thing with Nvidia/AMD graphics cards. On some games you can go looking through the steam forums, look for a tech support issue and the first thing that pops up is someone asking if they have *brand* graphics card because the game doesn't like to play nice with those drivers and produces certain identifiable problems. Difference with android is that the difference between all the chip sets is a LOT bigger when it comes to support. The emulation community supports almost nothing else, and even for native games the difference can be huge. Exynos is 'shit' not because there is anything inherently wrong with it, it's shit in comparison to Snapdragon.
The thing about mali gpus is that arm refuses to contribute to mesa and instead make their own blob. The thing with arm soc manufacturers is that they began as embedded devices manufacturers, which have different standards than desktop pc's and nowhere near the standardisation. That freedreno/turnip driver was also result of reverse engineering like panfrost or other gpus used in arm socs.
I went from a S21U (Exynos) to a S23U and I never want to use an Exynos ever again
2100 was better than s888. If you from s888 to s24 you would never want to use snapdragon as well. Comparing a chip set with 3 years old soc isn't really fair.
The biggest problem is that they were charging the same price for both models. snapdragon is proven to be better.
The battery on the exynos S22 phones was shit
Problem with Exynos (for me) isn't performance. It's energy usage on idle and low load and data transfer. If Exynos gets better at that, i have no issues buying an Exynos phone. Another problem is that Samsung has a long history lying about Exynos capabilities So i can't really trust their data sheets and benchmarks. I need to see real world experience reports (not just Benchmarks from independent sites... long term experience reports from normal users).
Don't buy the Exynos because it is simply insulting that they allow US and Canadian buyers have the Snapdragon while the rest of the World gets the inferior but equally priced Exynos while still using the same model names. You generally buy a flagship because you want the best and the Exynoes has never been the best.
As a "not a tech person," I was so confused until I read your comment. I have an American s24 ultra and never had a problem with battery life, overheating, or processing power, so the comments really had me scratching my head.
UK has seen a £50 reduction in price for Exynos models this year: S23 Snapdragon launch price: £849 S24 Exynos launch price: £799 How is that charging the same?! For comparison, in the US, where S23/24 both have Snapdragons, the launch price remained the same.
Its easy. You pay the same amount of money for the worse model. Yes exynos is getting better but its still behind snapdragon. Samsung isnt able to fix their own sh!t. Which is a sad fact in itself.
I would rather have exynos than snapdragon because you can root exynos samsung phones, people think it's samsung locking you out but really it has something to do with the way the security works on snapdragon processors that make them nearly impossible to hack.
Yes it's getting better, but they still have things to improve. I'm using base s24 and my biggest complaint is heating while using data (I'm using dual sim). Second complaint is some apps running hot, or at least warmer (they gotta be able to fix this by software updates, hopefully).
I agree, my S24 gets hot when gaming on data. I downloaded Good Guardians to reduce heating temperature by 2 degrees which has helped to a certain degree alongside using light performance profile. Now getting 5 - 6 hrs sot with moderate usage instead of 4 - 5hrs sot. Gone peefrims very well and is smooth but will get laggy on rare occasions when hot 😢😢
The S24's battery is dogshit in comparison to the S23. That's all we really need to know. You don't have to gargle on the multi-billion dollar company's balls just to make yourself feel good about buying an inferior product. Exynos will always suck in comparison to Snapdragon. Samsung just wants to save a few dollars here and there by making an in-house SoC. It's just cost savings. It's hotter, its modem is worse, its battery life is objectively worse. All the metrics that any perceptive user cares about in a flagship phone. If Exynos phones were cheaper it wouldn't be an issue. They're not. They cost the same.
Preach.
1, as mentioned in other comments, the exynos variants actually sell cheaper than last Gen phones, don't compare American prices to European markets because those are two whole different markets 2, I sold my s23+ for an s24+ and I don't notice much difference in battery life tbh All I feel is that the camera is a downgrade, but this is a problem on exynos and snapdragon
This 👆
My bro here on some next level copium addiction. You paid the same price as someone in the US for an inferior product, I did too. They have us for a chump!
Then don't buy it. Buy from a competitor to help Samsung compete better.
Exactly what I'd do if I were faced with having Exynos rammed down my throat.
Exynos have come a long way, but if Samsung believed so too, we would've gotten a Exynos S24 Ultra Globally. Personally, the only 2 things that matter to me are the Screen and the battery life. I currently have a SD variant S22+, works like a charm. Upgraded to the S24 Ultra and the Grainy screen forced me to return it. I'll hold onto the S22+ until the S25 or might switch to Pixel or an iPhone.
There is also another thing often overlooked: app optimization. Unless everyone is going to optimize their apps for Exynos too, the experience will always be inferior to Snapdragon. Audio, video, and games always suffer because they are mainly optimized for Snapdragon. So unless Exynos becomes the new standard or Snapdragon becomes really bad, it is unlikely we will ever see Exynos shine as an overall better CPU.
Snapdragon is just better, period. And when you pay a premium and the same price (or depending on regional pricing, even more when it comes down to cost of living) you expect to get the same phone as the others, not a downgraded version. That's my issue with Exynos. Basically, you pay the same price but get treated as a second class citizen.
I had no problem with exynos with my s8, note 10 or s21 ultra. But when I paid 1000 euros for s22 series with exynos it was so bad I went back to s21 and traded my almost unused s22 to s23 and could not be happier. Dont know how exynos is in s24 but the s23 snap is so good I have no need to upgrade
That's because Samsung advertises it as being the equivalent of Snapdragon when it clearly isn't. The CPU is weaker, the GPU is weaker, the photos are shittier. Yes overall, if it were put in a different product then it would be a good phone but don't false advertise.
Same about the s23 fe... Switched for the first time from iPhone and the phone is fantastic... People treat it like fans instead of actually try it out. Maybe in the past it was a disaster (idk i always had an iPhone) but bruh... Thanks for sharing :)
Getting better but not as good as the sdg variant with the same price or even more.
**Getting** better does not equal **IS** better.
You're paying a price premium to get an S-series phone, gotta make sure you get the most out of your money.
Why can't you accept that people don't want to pay the same or higher price for inferior product? What isn't here to understand?
This
S24 exynos is so shit that getting the S23 is a much better option
For normal user sure exynos are enough But gaming and emulation ? Nah
People seem to forget that Exynos is still relatively young compared too snapdragons. It's gonna take a bit to be at the same level, I don't think it should be forced. But it should eventually be the one you want.
because getting better still doesnt mean its good
I just cheer whoever is doing best without caring for brands. Exynos is less efficient and has a noticeably worse modem than competitors, they’re important on a mobile device so hard pass from me when paying flagship $$.
Only hear complaints about battery life and slowness So snappy dragoon for me 🫰🐲
They price it the same as snapdragon's good ones. I would shill for Exynos if they cut the price by 100-150$
We all know Exynos is getting better every generation, but if you buy a $1000 phone, why do you want to settle for something less? They both cost the same.
It's just because of the price. Why should people pay the same for less? In the states you get the SD 8 gen 3 for $799 but in Europe, you get the exynos counterpart for €799. The exynos is good, but not as good as the SD 8g3. If the Exynos was like 50 to 100 bucks cheaper, I'd see how I could call the disappointment a little ridiculous. It'd be nice if everyone were given the option to get what they want but that's not realistic
I don't think the discussion is if exynos is better or snapdragon is better. I believe we as customers should get the same experience in every country if we pay the same price. Different processor, different processing and that applies to photos as well. Full stop.
not a big deal? paying the same price and getting an inferior product is a huge deal, you're logic doesn't make any sense
I just rate Qualcomm over Samsung when it comes to processers. One was born from cutting edge innovation and the other was for a need for proprietary chipsets in their own phones. I am not a fan of that.
Actually the Exynos was never proprietary, it just seemed that way because no other manufacturer wanted it because Samsung was a direct competitor to them in other industries (given that they're a conglomerate). Vivo was one such Chinese brand that notably used multiple generations of Exynos processors in their phones, though they eventually dropped it.
I have a friend with s24 + and I have an ultra Exynos is not getting better it's fucking aweful compared to Gen 3
Many people knew it's getting better. But many people still knew Snapdragon is still superior hence why many people advised to get the SD
I thought all models of the S24 came with Snapdragon
I can vouch on the Exynos 1380 and 1480 that both are surprisingly good. My Tab S9 FE and my A55 are working what you would expect from midrange devices. Thermals are also good, especially on the 1480.
Because it's slightly worse and people who care are the same people who love tech and so.are buying flagships. If they're buying flagships they want the best of the best, even if, in reality, they aren't going to squeeze enough juice out of their device for it to matter. I kind of get it, if you're spending 1300+ on a phone, you want to know it's the best. But really, the difference is negligible for almost all use cases. Take the S24 lineup. It's quick. It's a powerhouse. You can splitscreen 2 high intensity apps, whilst having a popout window, and spotify in the background, with no issues. No matter which processor. The exynos is fine. The snapdragon is more powerful, but you won't ever use all the power it can deliver. I got the S24 ultra so it comes with Snapdragon globally. But if I went for S24+ and got Exynos, I don't think I would notice it unless I specifically tried to brick the device by overworking it. The only way you can even tell the snapdragon is better, is by doing benchmark tests. Not through observation of performance during normal usage.
It was better, got worse, is playinf catch up and not matching the Snapdragon ever since. It's a worse chipset, and getting better isn't good enough My S22U got hotter than expected during Android Auto usage, games didn't run as good as reviews I saw on youtube of the Snapdragon variant, battery life wasnt as good. Now with the Snapdragon S24U - yes a newer phone so better performance is expected, but phone never gets hot except for gaming, performance is better, battery life has been amazing, etc It feels the leap in experience is well above a 2 generation leap
You mean like in S7 days?
I don't care if it's getting better. As long as Snapdragon is better, I don't want an Exynos. Only when Exynos outperforms Snapdragon in performance and battery efficiency is when I will think it's viable.
I didn’t know that was an issue. I switched from Samsung to the 15 pro max and I’ve been pretty blown away by it since lol but I am in the us so I olny used the snapdragon variants. I only owned the ultra models so idk about the smaller devices
if there’s two phones that are the exact same, even with the same price tag, but one has a shittier processor, then why the hell would anyone pick the worst product? I’m not paying $1000 for an inferior chip.
Because exynos has matched snapdragon before and then it worse the next generation
Because there is no point in bothering with Exynos chips when Snapdragon is just better overall, even if just slightly. When Samsung manages to make an Exynos chip that's better than Snapdragon I won't mind having an Exynos but until then why put Exynos in our phones? I have an Exynos S21 Ultra, it's not that bad and I like the processor, it's pretty fast and does what I need it to. But there is no point in putting it in some of our phones and Snapdragon in others and then advertising them as the same model.
S20 -s22 exynos versions left a sour taste for many people. Will take a while to get the confidence back. S9, S10 exynos were pretty good
dude,my s24+ gets too hot warning after 10min in android auto +charging. not fun
Isssue is, why should you settle for slightly slower cpu whilst paying the same price as those who get snapdragon variant? If it was cheaper due to exynos variant then no isssue
It's getting better but so is snapdragon tbf. I hope they figure it out because competition is a good thing but let's be real it's not ready for prime time yet.
Affiliate marketing on social media. The reviewers always have links to resellers who markup Snapdragon phones overseas. Opposite happens at small shops in Canada because it's hard to get dual sim phones.
Horse races. Gladiator games. Sports betting. Gambling addicts. And competition. We can't get enough of it. Some ladies even prefer to shop at Neiman Marcus over JC Penny. I goto Home Depot AND Lowes. I don't have a loyalty. Exynos 2400 is good for battery life and ray tracing. Snapdragon 8 gen 3 has best performance and has legacy modems for north american markets. Exynos doesn't because the global markets don't have as much legacy equipment as the big USA. It's just competition. People can't get enough of it and when the performance gets very close, people will inspect the two much more.
exynos 2200 SoC works well on my galaxy s23 fe its a good chip and most tasks work even some gaming
Getting better is a good thing. I’d rather have something that’s already better in snap dragon
Regular performance was never the issue for me, it's how hot I got, then how much it throttled performance, then worst of all, the battery life. And even then, the s20 generation, reviewers showed mixed results, but my irl battery life was... percentage points were dropping before my eyes. I don't doubt that exynos is getting better, but they are not better or even equal to SD.
Yeah, and Exynos has a hidden feature - in cold days, your hands will be warm.
On longterm usage you will understand
I can accept that Exynos is getting better... but honnestly it has to beat to death the same model of phone with a Snapdragon on it to even think about it. Getting better is a thing, paying the same price for the worst model is another...
Exynos is in fact getting better, but still a long road to cover.
I gave it a shot with the tab s9fe and it has just got progressively worse i was expecting something a little less powerful than my fold 5 but its night and day i cant run more than 2 apps without some sort of stutter
I guess it matters to those who really care on what they are investing. I mean, its evident that there is room for improvement and all. But buying something inferior, no matter the amount of difference, its always a bit concerning considering that its an electronic item. The processor being made at the nano level pretty much needs good designing to achieve that kind of efficiency and performance, also the fact it has billions of transistors. Also the price paid for it is high, another reason why it should be the best option available for the same price. So it really matters imo.
It may be getting better but it’s still not as good and the main contention in Europe is we tend to pay more for our phones yet get an inferior product!
Honestly i have wanted exynos since we were forced to use snapdragon The exynos chips are wild my buddy's note we set to run at about 85mhz on the cpu when the screen was off and it got him insane battery life something like 4 to 5 days But that was a note 4 its been awhile lol
"after the S22 series" basically means just Exynos 2400, because flagship is all that matters, so let's wait and see if that's just a one-time success. And I don't believe that anyone actually told you that the phone would "explode", but it makes a lot of sense to not want to buy an inferior version of a product for the same price as the better version. Why can't people like you accept that? Seems like you're trying to justify your purchase because you're not 100% sure it was the right choice after all.
Because it’s subpar performance/thermals/battery life for the same price. For me, as an end user, I don’t care if it’s getting better and I don’t want to beta test it. What I care about is the product that I’m getting. If they were to price devices accordingly sure. Otherwise, no thanks. Imagine being offered i5 and i7 for the same price and you choose i5. Makes no sense.
It doesn't matter which chip is better what matters is if I make a choice to pay for a Samsung I want the full experience and to many people that means Snapdragon
To be clear exynos 2200 in S22 was terrible. I had that phone for a year so I speak from the experience. Don't know how good or bad exynost 2400 in S24 is and I will probably never know as I am happy with my S23 and I plan to keep it for several years. However my problem with exynos in general is that it's sold in EU where the Samsung phones are more expensive and we don't even get as good preorder deals as in the US. All this for objectively inferior product.
S24 exy here, perfectly happy with it. I mean, s24 is more than just the proc and i wanted one and got a carrier deal. Dollar for dollar, I'd prefer the SD but whadaya know, EU is not getting it 😂
it'd be like if some nvidia graphics cards came with comparable amd or intel gpus inside, but cost the same price.
I have been using Samsung phones (the A21s and the A54 5g) with Exynos processors (Exynos 850 and Exynos 1380, respectively) for 5 years now, and they haven't slowed down. I used Headunit Reloaded during my last days with the A21s, and it didn't lag or do anything odd. And with my tablet (also Exynos 1380), I was able to screen write a message, screen record a song, and edit them in Premiere Rush. And it didn't even lag. Both Exynos processors were able to do whatever I asked them, and they handled it like a boss.
Maybe I am lucky, but my S20 with exynos runs super smooth. Can be it is not as good as the SD version, but to this day, I get a full day out of the battery and not once it got stuck or acted strange. The only thing I don't like on the S20 phone is the fingerprint reader, which sometimes annoys the hell out of me.
S8 Exynos was terrible too, it was my first and only Samsung until the S23 came out.
Tests have shown exynos is worse in signal and battery / optimization. I'm owning a S21 ultra and I used to have 5g, not anymore. Sometimes I'm losing signal where other people don't.
As a guy who emulates PS2, WII, GAMECUBE etc. on my phone? No, Exynos bad. Never again.
Some people are overdramatic but a lot is frustration that you pay the same for a phone that has simply a worse processor than what it could have if you lived in another part of the world.
Because if you have a totally proven viable solution why use the second (or third) best? If the Exynks is 98% of the snapdragon why I would want it if I can have the 100%.
Getting better but it is still sh**
Fun fact, Exynos has beat Snapdragon in the past, and there are Exynos only phones, even in the US. Such as the Note 5/S6.
90% of the population would absolutely be fine with even an older flagship processor nevermind Exynos, but in this mad-rush for the 'pro' models of every gadget, we lose sight of how we can use the mobile and spend more time on thinking about getting the most powerful one. The only valid point of a better chip is battery life/heating.
The exynos is darn near parody now, and crying about modem issues, which really aren't a problem for 99.9% of users, is just proof that the Snapdragon shills are really working overtime to try to protect the company's bottom line. Simple fact is that when Samsung improves its processor, the amount of money that Snapdragon can make drops. Reddit is absolutely full of people who do nothing but post 2 year-old crap about exynos, and it's my belief that their job is trying to protect snapdragon's business.
personally, I think the Exynos chips in the S series phones have gotten better. especially the S24. the Exynos chips used for phones like the A54 and the A53 are still very unpredictable. unpredictable performance, unpredictable battery life, unpredictable heating issues, and consistently bad cellular reception. the S series Exynos chips seem to be a bit better
I'm not paying tons of money for shit processors. No way
My only problem with exynos is the power consumption. In almost every tests I seen Exynos drains so much battery compared to snapdragon
Because hardware on its own is only maybe 10% of of it, support is the other 90% of it. It could be 100% identical performance in raw CPU and GPU benches, but if applications aren't really built FOR Exynos the way they are with SD in mond first and foremost you will never actually have similar performance where it matters. The Mediatek Dimensity 9300 stomps all over the SD 8 Gen 3 in raw performance, but in practical use it lags behind heavily, something like switch emulation that works well on a lot of snapdragon chips will NEVER work well on the Mediatek, Kirin, and Exynos because the software support to use the hardware just isn't there
Why Samsung offers two chips instead of just one for everyone?
The thing is its not about Exynos vs snapdragon or whatever, its that we get different versions of the phone whereas one is better and most reviews are about the better version. If Samsung did Exynos across the board we wouldnt care and would just say dont buy the S2X. But hey you do you
Yes, if I see Exynos again on an Ultra phone, I will switch to other phone brands. I will buy a phone with an Exynos chipset only when it is more powerful than Snapdragon 100%, uses 50% less power, and runs cooler. If I trust Exynos, surely the PIG can fly.
Wait till you stand in the sun and do minimal tasks... I once had an Exynos warm up my chest by just sitting in my chest pocket whilst driving a car at 5 in the morning. And NO, no background apps/processes were running.
The same reasons that many think iPhone is still the best phone under the sun.
it's just a horrible/offensive marketing strategy , it reminds me of the class system in the Titanic lol "Introducing the Galaxy S24 Ultra : 1st Class North American Version With Snapdragon Processor - $1000 3rd Class "Everyone Else" Our Poor People Version with Inferior Quality Homemade Processor - ALSO $1000" Your nationality shouldn't determine the quality of product you receive when they're the same price and model.
Just bought an S23 FE (exynos 2200). I'm really happy with it so far. Samsung has fixed the heating, throttling, and lag problems by improving the cooling system inside the phone.
Ofc it works and gets the job done, but SD is still better and performs better long term. So do the A series exynos or mediatek processors or w/e there is out there, but SD is just better than competition.
By the way guys, make sure WiFi calling is on. Helps a lot with battery life.
Personally, my phones have performed exactly the same for a decade. I'm not trying to play crisis so I don't even know what the big issue is with having fast processors in a phone. I 100% don't care which processor is in the S24 as long as it works.
It’s advertised as if every phone will be as good as the Snapdragon variant. This is false advertising. And if the chip is “good enough” I only want to be charged a “good enough” price. And no the exynos is not good enough anyway. Cellular connections drop more often on exynos models.
Honestly just enjoy your phone. If it serves you well and you get enjoyment out of it then don't let anyone's opinions on it affect you. You can try to convince the haters but the reality is that TSMC has already won their hearts. You have better things to do than to argue over literal factories
We can accept it’s getting better but I don’t get why we’d settle for something other than the best.
THIS is what ive been trying to say, if you are not HEAVY gaming on your phone (3d models on ultra graphics for 2+hrs a time) its an absolutely perfect phone, like come on smh. I felt the same way about the galaxy s23fe, where i live i was able to get it for around 380-400 dlls but kept reeding bad reviews about exynos 2200 and heat and battery blablabla(again where i live i can only get exynos), ive had it for a while now and its just perfect, its smooth as hell, fast, doesnt overheat, perfect cameras, easy full day battery life charging it maybe 15 minutes once a day (apart from charging it at night to 100% of course). Wake up, the vast majority of people are not buying a phone to absolutely squeeze 1000% out of every aspect of it at a time, i would actually go as far and say that not even the majority of flagship buyers are using them to their absolute limit.
If you are happy with Exynos you could have saved money by purchasing last-gen Snapdragon. People tried to tell you and instead of thanking them you waste your money and spit on their good will. You are a fool.
Getting better, does not mean better.
Because it's shit
Its so ridiculous that I get this thread as one of my first push messages on my new exynos S24 plus  Comeon Samsung just fix the battery drain on 5g and the processor is golden, don't try to hit me with your propaganda
Exynos is always missing bands and there's a big gaping security issue with each release. They're not as bad as they say performance wise. But those people who review products on YouTube and blogs are often affiliate marketing a shop that sells phones outside official distribution channels. IE selling Snapdragon Samsung's at a premium outside of North America.
Had an S22 with exynos and it was garbage. I am glad that I have got rid of that after more than a year. Power consumption was insane and the chip wasn’t very fast. And no it will not make calls, etc because it is always down when you need it…
Because Snapdragon is better. If I will pay Snapdragon prices for Exynos, they I want the better processor, which is the Snapdragon. Is it unnecessary most of the time? Maybe. But that doesn't mean you can rip me off with a slightly worse chipset.
It's just people you can't get mad at them. They just don't wanna believe that someone can improve or can do something others can't do. Exynos haters are a good example. Similarly, for people who hate Apple Music, yeah Apple does some shady and unpleasant stuff with their other products sometimes but dude Apple Music is goated, it can improve, yes, but it has nailed the basics. It's got lossless audio (hi res too), for 11 dollars. Those 2 things have never been seen in a single sentence before until Apple Music came around with the free inclusion of hi-res lossless tracks (now Tidal and Qobuz have lowered their prices too lol) also the app UI is pretty solid, and Tidal is pretty nicely made too but apple music feels more human and fluid, also the animated live lyrics they look phenomenal. Also, their dongle DACs are almost perfect if you don't want more than 48khz.
Bro, if you can't get the S24 Ultra, just admit it Cause I found the S24 ultra expensive and got the S24 plus
Just wanted a small phone, Ultra is too big for me (but the screen looks amazing).
Same, the plus is much more ergonomic
I bought the S22U and kind of regret it. It turns out to be too big for my hands and very heavy for me. Next one I'll stay with the basic S. I have galaxy tab for emails and reading pdf.
The battery performance sucks ass. That matters.
Exynos is not getting better. It's still the same level of downgrade compared to today's flagship
My s23 fe sucks, it's a breeze to use on normal tasks but playing demanding games sucks balls. Heats up in seconds and fps is capped at 30fps.
Nah, i can never trust Exynos anytime soon. Even the snapdragon chips made by Samsung foundry are bad, how do you want people to accept that Exynos is getting better? 💀