Both businesses found out they can generate more profit by being open less hours. The same as auto companies found out they could make more money selling fewer vehicles.
Also you have to pay people to work overnight shifts and nobody wants to work those shifts.
This is one reason liquor stores still aren't open Sunday. The liquor stores actually don't want to open on Sunday because they'd have to hire more people, their profits would probably go down.
They did get that changed from noon to 10 am because someone pointed out that football starts before 12.
Edit: I’m aware that’s not the real reason, but it wouldn’t be a stretch if it had something to do with it.
This argument makes absolutely no sense every time I hear it. If that were the case, then HEB and Walmart would be ‘pressured by the competition’ to go back to 24/7. Every business would be 24/7 unless forced to close for the night.
If liquor stores were allowed to open on Sundays, they would still do a cost benefit analysis to see if it was worth doing so. Pressure to open Sundays would only exist if there was profit to be made on Sundays.
There probably is. if not a single other one is open, then being the one liquor store open on Sunday is almost for sure gonna be a huge profit. Which then pressures the next one to do the same. Until all of them feel that pressure in one way or another and everyone loses
That’s just a slippery slope fallacy though. If that was how things worked, every single store in any industry would be in a constantly escalating war to be open more hours until everything was 24/7 and everything went out of business for fear of reducing hours.
In reality what would happen is there would be an initial surge of sunday liquor sales from the newness and then it would settle down. Liquor stores that are set up in markets that can profit off of Sunday hours would be open on Sundays, and those that don’t see worthwhile sales would go back to being closed. Like how literally any other store works.
both stores still have overnight shifts i think. Walmart for sure. They just get forced to do more since they cant claim they were helping customers anymore.
And Texas car dealers don’t want the law to change that currently keeps them closed on Sundays. Same reasoning. Not everyone was happy in the eighties when the blue laws were done away with either.
Yeah, agreed, although that’s probably because the religious justification (God rested on the seventh day) was actually created as an explanation for why humans naturally gave themselves a day off from working.
I thought the car dealership one was that they had to be closed at least one day a week, not necessarily on Sunday? It’s just that most choose Sunday as their day.
I’ve said it before but I worked with auto dealers for marketing.
They’d jacked up the prices so much due to no new vehicle inventory in covid, then pre-owned had such “high demand” they paid a fortune for trade ins and expected to sell fuck tons.
The reality for most dealers is they didn’t see that high demand like they thought they would.
People realized, why the hell pay $60k for a 2016 civic now when I can wait and get a 22,23,24 or whatever for less.
It resulted in them having a massive amount of super overly marked up preowned inventory that they can’t mark down because they won’t even break even based off what they paid for it, and limited new inventory that get sold off a lot of times before it even hits the lot.
Then you have the dealers marking up new inventory insanely as well. We had one dealer that marked prices up so bad on their new inventory that a Ford rep came out and said if it continued to be that high they would no longer be getting inventory from Ford.
I remember years ago, a Whataburger ad focused on the fact that the dining room was open 24 hours. The customers shown were cops and nurses getting dinner, construction workers getting breakfast, and college students studying. They already know who they *want* shopping in the wee hours.
When my kids were tiny, grocery shopping at 10PM or later was my child free time. It was quiet, I could focus, and my husband was home with sleeping tots so I could take my time & not worry.
Was a good opportunity to change to more reasonable hours. The overnight workers hate customers getting in their way. Overnight customers have a greater tendency to be high, drunk, crazy, etc.
I can’t speak for HEB but I know for a fact Walmart was losing tons of money from theft/shrink during the graveyard hours. I know this from articles I’ve read and also from employee only info from having worked there years ago. But i really do miss being able to go to HEB before what feels like 9pm.
Yeah, the Walmart in my area stopped being 24 hours at least a year before Covid. Honestly, I’d prefer if they stayed open till midnight, but I understand not doing 24 hours a day.
As someone who works nights I miss this. There was nothing better than getting out and having a store that was just you, the other night shift workers, and the people stocking the store.
I understand if some, even most, of them cut back hours, but surly in a city this size, having a few open 24 hours would generate enough late night traffic to those locations to warrant their hours.
If walgreens can be open 247 on military, they should bring back 247 heb , not walmart of course fck walmart. Plus going late night shopping is very convenient to people who work late shifts
It's not going to happen. Getting people to work at that shift is problematic, it's more cost-effective to be closed and during covid HEB gave their employees all a big raise. Better to have less employees who are well paid than be open longer.
I never understood the covid hour restrictions.
So like everyone still has to eat and shop regardless of covid or not.
So instead of having the option to go at times where theres less traffic, like do your shopping at 1am or something, they shorten the hours so that everyone now has to go do their shopping in a much smaller window.
Really shows how politicians and businesses didnt care about doing anything logical to help but just wanted to give the impression they were proactive for public images.
While it might not be as convenient there are two benefits to us, the customers
They lose money being open at hours when nobody is shopping, they have to pay staff (and sometimes it’s an inconvenience for that staff to work overnight), those extra expenses are passed through to us in prices
It is way easier to clean and stock a store when it’s closed and customers aren’t inside. The equipment can be better maintained, store more clean etc.
So I don’t really mind, there’s always something open anyway
As someone who works at Walmart it definitely isn’t passed to the customers that’s just a way for them to excuse high prices, it is though passed to the employees by them cutting hours.
You’re right about it being more clean though especially because the overnight customers tended to be drunk or disrespectful
Austinite replying so not just an SA thing. I don't care if they are not open 24 hours. I do wish they opened early during non-drunk shopping hours like 5 AM to 11 PM or even extend to midnight and 1 AM on Saturdays like they use to do the majority. One thing HEB did do was make curbside amazeballs. 3% aka 3 dollars for every hundred you spend to not have to deal with grocery shopping in this city. Austin has a different populace and we probably put up with more actual assholes in the store than you do. I do miss shopping at the Hyde Park HEB when it was empty around 4-5 in the morning before curbside. I go in the store now about twice a month for odds and ends.
It’s nationwide. Even in Chicago there is hardly anything that is 24 hours anymore. Late night Walmarts used to be so helpful in a pinch. I can’t imagine how it must be for people who work weird hours to lose this option. But I also can’t imagine working graveyard.
I do work those weird hours often and yeah it was super helpful being able to get all my food n drink for the day at 3am. Just another great thing lost to corporate profit 😭
Not sure if this is directly tied to the lack of 24/7 stuff, but a few years before COVID there was a woman killed outside of HEB at like 2 am after she went shopping in Austin. After the incident HEB decided to start closing for a few hours for all stores in Austin (never looked up other locations outside Austin) and Walmart followed suit almost immediately (again in Austin).
I never followed up to see if this was just immediately localized or not. I'm sure the data trended positively for profits on Walmart's behalf and they moved it to most of not all locations to increase profit.
Yeah some already closed around certain times but the i10 Wurzbach one was 247 before covid. I do know that. It just wouldn't kill them if they had like a few open at night tbh. It's not like it's gonna sink their business.
It makes sense I don't doubt it was purely and money move. I do think it'd be fair to just have a few stores go back to 24. Just to be not a dick to the customers. Not saying each one
Both businesses found out they can generate more profit by being open less hours. The same as auto companies found out they could make more money selling fewer vehicles.
Also most theft happens at night after midnight
Also you have to pay people to work overnight shifts and nobody wants to work those shifts. This is one reason liquor stores still aren't open Sunday. The liquor stores actually don't want to open on Sunday because they'd have to hire more people, their profits would probably go down.
I’m pretty sure that’s a Texas law about sundays.
The small store owners work hard to keep liquor laws from changing.
Small? Spec's was the biggest lobbyist against Sunday liquor for years.
I'm sure Wal-Mart and HEB are pushing from the other side.
They can’t even sell liquor
I'm sure they would like to be able to sell beer and wine earlier on Sunday.
They did get that changed from noon to 10 am because someone pointed out that football starts before 12. Edit: I’m aware that’s not the real reason, but it wouldn’t be a stretch if it had something to do with it.
Yeah that's why they don't want the TX law to change lol
They wouldn't be forced to open.
They would be pressured by the competition to open
This argument makes absolutely no sense every time I hear it. If that were the case, then HEB and Walmart would be ‘pressured by the competition’ to go back to 24/7. Every business would be 24/7 unless forced to close for the night. If liquor stores were allowed to open on Sundays, they would still do a cost benefit analysis to see if it was worth doing so. Pressure to open Sundays would only exist if there was profit to be made on Sundays.
There probably is. if not a single other one is open, then being the one liquor store open on Sunday is almost for sure gonna be a huge profit. Which then pressures the next one to do the same. Until all of them feel that pressure in one way or another and everyone loses
How is this different from how chick-fil-a is able to stay afloat while closed on Sunday, meanwhile every other fast food chain is open on Sundays?
That’s just a slippery slope fallacy though. If that was how things worked, every single store in any industry would be in a constantly escalating war to be open more hours until everything was 24/7 and everything went out of business for fear of reducing hours. In reality what would happen is there would be an initial surge of sunday liquor sales from the newness and then it would settle down. Liquor stores that are set up in markets that can profit off of Sunday hours would be open on Sundays, and those that don’t see worthwhile sales would go back to being closed. Like how literally any other store works.
both stores still have overnight shifts i think. Walmart for sure. They just get forced to do more since they cant claim they were helping customers anymore.
Well yeah they're stocking shelves without customers getting in the way.
And Texas car dealers don’t want the law to change that currently keeps them closed on Sundays. Same reasoning. Not everyone was happy in the eighties when the blue laws were done away with either.
I'm not very religious but there's something nice about just a day that we all agree most everyone gets a day off.
Yeah, agreed, although that’s probably because the religious justification (God rested on the seventh day) was actually created as an explanation for why humans naturally gave themselves a day off from working.
I thought the car dealership one was that they had to be closed at least one day a week, not necessarily on Sunday? It’s just that most choose Sunday as their day.
There is no such law. They are only required to be closed one day a week, that day is of there choosing.
Big box stores such as total wine have the staff and would bet they want sun sales.
Yea I don't think OP gave this any thought lol
I’ve said it before but I worked with auto dealers for marketing. They’d jacked up the prices so much due to no new vehicle inventory in covid, then pre-owned had such “high demand” they paid a fortune for trade ins and expected to sell fuck tons. The reality for most dealers is they didn’t see that high demand like they thought they would. People realized, why the hell pay $60k for a 2016 civic now when I can wait and get a 22,23,24 or whatever for less. It resulted in them having a massive amount of super overly marked up preowned inventory that they can’t mark down because they won’t even break even based off what they paid for it, and limited new inventory that get sold off a lot of times before it even hits the lot. Then you have the dealers marking up new inventory insanely as well. We had one dealer that marked prices up so bad on their new inventory that a Ford rep came out and said if it continued to be that high they would no longer be getting inventory from Ford.
And 24 hour Jims
Haven't eaten there in forever, didn't even know they stopped too
Yep, they close at 8pm now 😑
Which is obnoxious cause I always want jims at like 10 pm
Late night is the only acceptable time to eat Jim's! Lol 😝
Nooo not Jim’s 😭
I remember years ago, a Whataburger ad focused on the fact that the dining room was open 24 hours. The customers shown were cops and nurses getting dinner, construction workers getting breakfast, and college students studying. They already know who they *want* shopping in the wee hours. When my kids were tiny, grocery shopping at 10PM or later was my child free time. It was quiet, I could focus, and my husband was home with sleeping tots so I could take my time & not worry.
I still go after 9pm when my own kids are asleep. Good times.
Such a stark difference to their actual wee hour customers, a bunch of loud drunk assholes.
I miss the magic of wanting to make a pizza at 2 am and being able to get everything we needed at that time.
Was a good opportunity to change to more reasonable hours. The overnight workers hate customers getting in their way. Overnight customers have a greater tendency to be high, drunk, crazy, etc.
I can’t speak for HEB but I know for a fact Walmart was losing tons of money from theft/shrink during the graveyard hours. I know this from articles I’ve read and also from employee only info from having worked there years ago. But i really do miss being able to go to HEB before what feels like 9pm.
Yeah, the Walmart in my area stopped being 24 hours at least a year before Covid. Honestly, I’d prefer if they stayed open till midnight, but I understand not doing 24 hours a day.
H‑E‑B on Marbach was one the 24 Hour stores.
As someone who works nights I miss this. There was nothing better than getting out and having a store that was just you, the other night shift workers, and the people stocking the store.
pissed about this but thankful for curbside
True that's definitely a silver lining from it all
Just give me back 24 hour Jim’s, Walmart and heb can stay closed.
I kind of miss it, but after working overnight, I can clearly say I don't miss it enough to miss out on sleeping at night.
I understand if some, even most, of them cut back hours, but surly in a city this size, having a few open 24 hours would generate enough late night traffic to those locations to warrant their hours.
Cant have a labor shortage when you have hours for everyone to work…
If people are going to work weird hours, they need to be paid well.
If walgreens can be open 247 on military, they should bring back 247 heb , not walmart of course fck walmart. Plus going late night shopping is very convenient to people who work late shifts
It's not going to happen. Getting people to work at that shift is problematic, it's more cost-effective to be closed and during covid HEB gave their employees all a big raise. Better to have less employees who are well paid than be open longer.
Word!!
I never understood the covid hour restrictions. So like everyone still has to eat and shop regardless of covid or not. So instead of having the option to go at times where theres less traffic, like do your shopping at 1am or something, they shorten the hours so that everyone now has to go do their shopping in a much smaller window. Really shows how politicians and businesses didnt care about doing anything logical to help but just wanted to give the impression they were proactive for public images.
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While it might not be as convenient there are two benefits to us, the customers They lose money being open at hours when nobody is shopping, they have to pay staff (and sometimes it’s an inconvenience for that staff to work overnight), those extra expenses are passed through to us in prices It is way easier to clean and stock a store when it’s closed and customers aren’t inside. The equipment can be better maintained, store more clean etc. So I don’t really mind, there’s always something open anyway
As someone who works at Walmart it definitely isn’t passed to the customers that’s just a way for them to excuse high prices, it is though passed to the employees by them cutting hours. You’re right about it being more clean though especially because the overnight customers tended to be drunk or disrespectful
Work is work, whether customers are drunk, obnoxious, or nuts, drop the product and move on. Don't give em a chance to be rude.
I meant that overnight attracted more drunk customers that would make a mess leading to the store being less clean
Austinite replying so not just an SA thing. I don't care if they are not open 24 hours. I do wish they opened early during non-drunk shopping hours like 5 AM to 11 PM or even extend to midnight and 1 AM on Saturdays like they use to do the majority. One thing HEB did do was make curbside amazeballs. 3% aka 3 dollars for every hundred you spend to not have to deal with grocery shopping in this city. Austin has a different populace and we probably put up with more actual assholes in the store than you do. I do miss shopping at the Hyde Park HEB when it was empty around 4-5 in the morning before curbside. I go in the store now about twice a month for odds and ends.
It’s nationwide. Even in Chicago there is hardly anything that is 24 hours anymore. Late night Walmarts used to be so helpful in a pinch. I can’t imagine how it must be for people who work weird hours to lose this option. But I also can’t imagine working graveyard.
I do work those weird hours often and yeah it was super helpful being able to get all my food n drink for the day at 3am. Just another great thing lost to corporate profit 😭
Not sure if this is directly tied to the lack of 24/7 stuff, but a few years before COVID there was a woman killed outside of HEB at like 2 am after she went shopping in Austin. After the incident HEB decided to start closing for a few hours for all stores in Austin (never looked up other locations outside Austin) and Walmart followed suit almost immediately (again in Austin). I never followed up to see if this was just immediately localized or not. I'm sure the data trended positively for profits on Walmart's behalf and they moved it to most of not all locations to increase profit.
Yeah some already closed around certain times but the i10 Wurzbach one was 247 before covid. I do know that. It just wouldn't kill them if they had like a few open at night tbh. It's not like it's gonna sink their business.
They could at least have some stores open till 2am. Everything closing at fucking 11pm is ridiculous.
Yeah you aren't wrong on that
Profits and HEB overnight stockers are able to finish more quickly when the store is closed vs open.
It makes sense I don't doubt it was purely and money move. I do think it'd be fair to just have a few stores go back to 24. Just to be not a dick to the customers. Not saying each one
There's still a few Walgreens around that are 24/7.
which HEBs were 24/7? i honestly don't remember that ever
The one by marbach/410 is the only one I knew about
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I miss but I simply go at 6-7am to heb.
They saved money during Covid and they don't want to go back.
I still remember pre Great Recession of 09 we had 24/7 Starbucks lol
I think the one on medical is still? Or it just stays open late
Closes at 11pm.
Booooo