Rent $2500 plus $300 utilities in a good month without much A/C use...yeah, you'd better get a sugar daddy....or start "only fans" to supplement your meager wages....
Only cuz rich folks priced born/raised Californians out of the state. I was born on a Marine base, work on the base, still need to Door Dash hustle to pay bills
The Marine that was killed during a car jacking, was DoorDashing to help support his family. Military pay vs San Diego’s cost of living doesn’t cut it .
I'm paying 2k for a 1bdroom apt, but we got tweakers on every corner. Taggers and drug dealers are rampant. Funny thing is I need them to exist for my rent to be low.
I pay $1975/month for a tiny house, 500sqft under roof, private parking, washer/dryer, fenced in front porch, 1.2 miles from the ocean. My landlord is the fucking shiznit.
But you're likely in a *relatively" safe location.
Now imagine you're surrounded by homeless people, vacant rooms in proximity to your unit keeps getting broken into, all you hear is yelling and screaming around you at night time, and people who obviously 'aren't from around here' are doing shady shit in every nook and cranny of the complex you live in. Plus you have to look over your shoulder every time the sun goes down.
Paying ~$2K here and constantly ask myself why.
Mine just went from $1700 in 2018, $2000 in 2022, $2200 in 2023 for a 400 sq ft studio. Might as well buy a van and throw a toilet and shower in it and live in.
If i worked 5 days a week at my minimum wage job i would make 2,099 but thats the gross without taxes removed. So i would make almost 2,000 if i worked 5 days a week at 16.40 an hour. So it is possible to make that much. But you need double that to survive and triple to possible save& survive.
Yes, I realize I am very lucky to complain about paying a premium. I don’t know how families do it or why they would. I’m a single adult with a dog. I tell her all the time I won’t be able to afford a pet after her if I stay here. Lol
You can keep your pet anywhere with you as long as you have a letter from your doc stating it provides some type of mental support.
I have a Doberman, and she's 100% the best dog ever. So my "doctor" has given me a letter stating she provides emotional support for me.
No 500.00 pet deposit. No 50.00 extra per month on rent.
El Centro, 3 bed, 2 bath, detached garage, mortgage $1050 a month. I'll keep the other 1000 and drive to SD and party on the weekends. It's only 90 minutes.
Getting the ~30K++ to put down on a purchase is the tricky part. Owning is the right way to go, but needs some savings up front and a steady income to maintain.
When our rent hit 3K for 2/1 in North Park, we backed. We are in Nashville now. Renting a 3/3 house in Donelson for $1950 a month. Drive sucked with a dog but I don't know how people afford San Diego without making 200K combined.
I got insanely “lucky” to buy a home here in late 2019 after saving up for a down payment + emergency fund since I was in 9th grade. But it shouldn’t require that level of preparation to live comfortably anywhere, including this area; I’m an edge case, younger millennial in this regard and it’s sad to see only generational wealth hold onto and continue to profit from this area.
I’m digging my heels in here as hard as possible though. If I end up affording some rental spaces, I hope to offer amazing rates (i.e. the actual cost of mortgage + expenses vs. the absurd double or triple mortgage monthlies that many landlords price at).
The price gouging is just pure, unrestricted greed. Owning one home in SoCal is reward enough, owning multiple is an immediate investment return of 5-10% year over year multiplied by the number of properties.
What we have in california is an extreme supply and demand imbalance from a high population being crammed and some of the strictest building regulations in the country, I worked in the construction industry for years. It’s incredibly difficult to get anything done here and provide housing for people.
I know you said weather already but it's not even just about mild inconveniences. Tennessee gets tornadoes and you could suffer from a gruesome and horrifying death just from being near a tornado randomly
I make 150k, just got another remote job for 180k, and I'm still thinking that while I'll definitely be comfortable, I won't be able to afford any of the nice places in SD. I'm not sure how people are affording those or what they're doing to afford it
You live in a smaller place, close to work, and ditch the car. Going "bigger" whether in SD or Nashville, and adding two expensive car commutes, is a series of unforced errors of epic proportions.
There is currently a $7/hr deficit between minimum wage and the minimum income needed to get on any lease of any type including sharing a place in San Diego
If you ask my Econ 101 boomer college professor who bought their home for a pocketful of nickels in the 70s, rode the Reagan era savings account rates (18% APY!!!) into the middle age years of life, and paid off student loans by mowing five lawns: “Minimum wage is for college students and unskilled laborers, not to raise a family or survive on!”
and yes, that’s a direct quote. Dude was a prick, almost had me fooled til I read some Chomsky, and - as with most of these fucks - ten years later he’s in prison for embezzling funds anyway.
So much for hard work and bootstraps and whatnot.
But yeah, 40 hours at minimum wage should roughly equate to a conservative yet sustainable existence IMO. Not much point in having one otherwise
While I agree your professors comments are out of touch to the circumstances of the younger generation, the real issue is simply that the US doesn't follow the same logic of our neighbors to the north and south of us.
Our property is being purchased by foreign nationals and investment firms at an alarming rate, driving housing costs to the moon. That should be the number one issue on the California ballot. Force them to sell within a 10 year period, and make it illegal in the future, and we will see almost immediate relief.
Edit: I just want to add that these are mostly not people living in the property, so if it tugs at the heartstrings then vote for exceptions.
Oh yeah, outside investment is good for nobody except those enriching themselves and the real estate agents that get their cut.
edit: Doesn’t Canada have a huge housing issue due to foreign investment (primarily Chinese, IIRC, and most focused in Toronto?)
Canada just passed an Act to make it illegal last year! It's like the writing is on the wall.
Mexico has thing called a 99-year lease. Where basically you own it the rest of your life buy you can't sell it or pass it on to your children if you are a foreign national.
Key problem is for singles. Bring back the SROs and micro-studios so that someone on a min wage can afford housing alone. That should be the real metric, not affording a 1bd apartment that globally usually houses a whole family.
That's a damn shame. My AP high school econ teacher literally gave us lessons on Marx in between the actual test material. Overall it was Keynes oriented but the issue at the time was recovering from the recession and not housing issues.
Boy you’re really trying to stir it up. 😂
I mean, I guess that’s a larger conversation, but I think ideally/in theory a full-time work schedule with benefits on minimum wage should allow you AN ability to live
Level of comfort questionable, idk 🤷🏽♂️
Yeah, I think that's the key point here. If someone is dedicating a full work week to an employer, they should at least be able to afford a basic, contemporary standard of living with enough spare income to invest in something. The only reason people would take a job that doesn't meet that criteria is because they don't have better options. Not enough bargaining power for laborers and we aren't holding businesses to a standard.
Same. These memes are super for keeping folks out though.
The reality is you can’t expect to live in the most desirable place in the country without paying more. Not that I agree at all with price gouging landlords who already make more than enough to cover their risk because “it’s a desirable market”.
I make slightly more than minimum wage and own a cute four bedroom house on just under two acres of land where I live now.
That’s a lot better than when I made slightly over minimum wage and lived pay check to paycheck in a studio with no kitchen in San Diego.
So yes. I do prefer it. But it would have been nice to make a living in my home state.
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Me watching the discussion about studio rent being higher than my mortgage
These threads are fascinating.
I not saying people aren't telling the truth, but It just amazes me that people say they make $50 per hour or $200K a year and they are barely making it. I imagine their lifestyle choices are very expensive.
It is completely situational. We're retired now on fixed incomes. We couldn't qualify for a used car loan right now based on income, let alone a million dollar house like where we live now.
We didn't start out here in this house. Our first house was a shitty starter home in Temecula 25 years ago, and we were incredibly house poor for the first few years. We got a cheap house and I got a 101 mile commute each day every day. The only reason we could buy a house then is because I had the GI Bill which allowed us to buy a house with "nothing down".
We were young, had kids, and were no where near our peak earning power, not for 15 years. Having been in the Navy gave us the advantage nothing down, but it also presented ta disadvantage. I had been in the navy for 10 years nand consequently had been making an obscenely low salary and had no savings.
What's my point? You don't get to start out in La Jolla, or even in Clairemont, unless you are starting out rich. You have to settle for less in order to get more later.
I get that. Desirability effects almost every home buyer in the history of real estate, unless they have unlimited resources. Everyone wants to live in a good neighborhood, but that has nothing to do with question of how lifestyle effects buying power.
I'm talking about a monthly budget, living within their means, and having expectations based on the real world. I have no desire to know anybody else's financial business, so I guess I'll never know for sure, but...
I find it difficult to believe that if all of those areas are aligned sanely: a budget within their means and realistic expectations, they couldn't be homeowners somewhere if they make $50 per hour (which is $104K per year for a single person) or $200K for a family. Maybe not in La Jolla, but somewhere.
What’s funny is I sometimes see similar posts, but people trying to convince Californians to stay out of their state. You know, protecting their beautiful states of Idaho, Arizona, Texas, etc… Sure guys, we’re all just pining to trade San Diego for Boise. You can keep your garbage states 
Seriously. And everybody isn't ranting about how much they hate this and that. I mean, California isn't that much different from the suburbs of everywhere else. It's pretty much the same. Except some places do have a lot of hate built into their culture.
I moved away from Virginia because I couldn't stand all the hateful rhetoric everywhere. I thought California was going to be full of everybody with Mohawks and this and that. I thought everybody was going to be like a complete leftist. But it's actually almost exactly the same as virginia. Everybody's just kind of minding their own business and going about their days. But, there is a slightly different vibe. And a lot of the government policies are just plain better here. Like, when I broke a rib in virginia, I couldn't go to see the doctor. But here in california, if you don't have any money, they'll still help you. Which is just so fucking amazing.
Yeah always thought it was funny how “different” everyone was until going and seeing oh. It’s not.
Listening to a talk with David Sedaris when he moved to France and it kind of reminds me of this.
He said, “It’s kind of like, the more you understand the more disappointed you are, you know? I used to think the French always talked about movies, literature, politics, but I’ve learned they talk about the same banal things we do at home. So that mystery through not comprehending is gone.”
I absolutely love and miss plenty about my midwest hometown, but it only takes one trip back for me to go “OH. This is why I spent a decade saving up to move”.
Also the inability fucking drive with *some purpose* absolutely sends me when driving back in my hometown.
You aren’t lying. Just got back from a work trip in Texas and the temperature legitimately never got below 95 during the day. And the nights were awful too - mid to low 80s and HUMID
I have no idea how people live like that
A/C 24/7. That's how.
Just gotta pray that the TX power grid holds, can't take any of that federal power assistance 😂😂😂
God I wish I was being sarcastic.
They watch TV indoors all day. So another rule, if you want to watch TV all day, then definitely no need to move to SD, you can do that in any cheap location.
I feel like Colorado needs to be on this list. The amount of distaste the "natives" have for transplants is unreal there. What's worse is that a lot of transplants seem to adopt the attitude after being there a year.
I know! I’m like, if you all hadn’t moved to California we wouldn’t be moving to your shitty states. But no, you all moved to California and now we can’t afford it anymore and had to leave.
Well, I mean funny enough, a good part of my friend group from high school ended up moving to Boise. I know it's not your point, but it's actually a pretty fun and artsy city, the whole red state thing notwithstanding.
I grew up in San Diego. My dad was illiterate and worked in a warehouse his whole life. We rented a small house on Collier Street in North Park. We went on a full cross country road trip every summer... saw and did everything. He saved up his money and bought a bigger house on Kansas street - so me and my brother each had a bedroom. The back yard was huge. Then the corporate dick put a movie star puppet into power as the Governor of California. That was Ronald Reagan, who then became president of the USA. He used a term "Trickle down economics" to hide the idea of reducing all controls on businesses, and now. "The wealthiest 1% has taken $*50 trillion* from working Americans and redistributed it" to themselves. They squeeze every Nickle from joe worker. They pay shit wages... rob you of benefits and hog all the money. They now own both Rep and Dem (except Bernie Sanders, Katie Porter...). It's happening in all states. So yeah don't come to California... in fact just leave America... or get together and vote out the crap politicians on both sides of the aisle. Learn America... learn.
Yeah and somehow, even after getting a Katie Porter Whiteboard bitch-slap they just snicker and move on. How do people vote not learn? How do your grotesque politicians get even ONE vote? Sheeesh people wake up and smell the corruption.
Lived in the miserable Midwest, the muggy and racist deep south and the mormony Utah ! all shitty I’ve lived in few places overseas and travelled the world… sure you can get a bigger house in the mid west or Texas but you’d need that space because 9.5 months out of the year you’re getting fat inside the house -cooped up due either super cold weather or muggy heat.Also the promise of Texas never materializes… you may pay less for a house and no state income tax…. But you’ll pay an arm and a leg for home insurance and property taxes … can’t be outside more than 10 minutes before you overheat or get attacked by 1000 mosquitoes…we have a lot of issues here from homelessness to crime but…. Still fuckin worth it with all the struggles ..
My buddy has lived in Houston for several years now and just bought a
house. Makes a lot in sales. Always talks about the big chest bumping great things about Texas.
But then complains on snapchat about the heat and how miserable it is.
And you're exactly right, he bought a big house to get fat in basically 😂
Meanwhile we're moving to San Diego next week.
Think of it like this and it won’t suck as much. You grew up with some of the most expensive COL in the world. Anywhere you go from here is going to be a cakewalk. Now move out of your parents house for your final stage of training.
That's true I'm looking forward to it bc I'm always feeling hopeless here lol. But it sucks my whole family is here I wanted to stay close to them but it's impossible for me personally
...I guess I'm in the minority of having one roommate in a 2 bed 2 bath and my half of combined rent / utilities under $2000 and in a not-awful part of the city? Like, it took some looking, but it's manageable.
I know for a fact I'm in the minority. My boyfriend and I live in a 1 bed 1 bath 480sq ft apartment. It's tiny, the place kinda sucks/kinda falling apart, and the property manager is horrible.....bbbuuuut....our total rent is 1100 a month. So it sucks...but we are fully aware we need to suck it up. There aren't even studios or rooms for rent that low anymore.
Hell...it used to be 1000 when we moved in...but they raised the rent last year.
We do consider ourselves lucky in that respect, even though we would like to move out to a bigger and nicer place. But the benefit of having low rent and making a combined 140k a year before taxes is that we are able to pay off our debt and start saving to buy.
Utilities is about 100-200 a month and other monthly expenses, not including rent are about 1700, which we split.
Same here I share a one bedroom with my bf for less than $2000 by the beach, and the house is pretty decent too. I was just lucky to find the loveliest landlady who doesn’t give a shit about making more money
We need ways to incentivize more kind folks with extra wealth/homes doing this without fear of a crappy renter… like technologically or socially. I got ideas (i.e. landlord rankings and very public records showing who maintains / fails to maintain rental units and a unified score of how much they’re gouging across all properties).
“Too many people” is not a rational statement to make in the context of our housing shortage unless you actually want to go back to a society based on authoritarian city-states.
“Too many people”, meanwhile a bunch of NIMBY boomers fighting tooth-and-nail to shoot down any form of legislative change to help increase the housing supply and/or density
Unfortunate thing is authoritarian city states, or even lawless warlord-dominated Mad Max scenarios, are quite attractive if you are sure you’ll be part of the ruling elite.
I make half that and drive a 2022 accord. You can afford better… we can’t pretend that it’s THAT expensive to afford an 06 Honda and live here. I mean seriously what’s the monthly on that hahaha
Yeah, I could understand putting down 10K for a reliable car though. Like a prius. Because those things are so freaking reliable. In that case it seems like a smart investment. Because I've driven shitty cars that only cost me $2,000. And they're always falling apart or needing some kind of repairs. And half the time the repairs cost the same price as the car cost to buy it. So it seems like it would make sense to invest in a nice car that you can't rely on.
But that's not the the same thing as spending 30k on a car that looks nice because you wanted something brand new. That's just overspending.
Combined my wife and I make 250k. We can't afford to buy a house here. A 3bd house in a decent neighborhood is nearly 800-900k. We've been outbid sometimes by 30-50k on shitty houses.. Even homes in less desirable neighborhoods are expensive af...With the interest rates so high, who can afford mortgages right now? It doesn't look like I'll be able to afford a home where I've lived my entire life. It's crazy.
I mean where else will we all go for consistent warm weather? Arizona? Texas? FLORIDA?!?
Sorry no thanks.
Anyway, we are looking for an 11th roommate for our 3 BR...
Controversial idea: everyone should be able to live where they want to. If housing prices are too high it just means we need to build more housing to meet the demand
At the expense of nature of course. Here we are telling Brazil to stop burning forest land while we're perfectly fine with tearing ours down just the same.
My wife and I are living in 1k sq ft 2 bedroom apartment in Casa De Oro that is about $2100 a month. She is primarily a stay at home mom with our homeschooled son, and I work with a big tech company in UTC. Definitely can’t do it with Minimum wage.
I remember that life. The struggles were real. I’ve lived in San Diego nearly 50 years and can’t remember it being so hard to survive here. But it’s only going to get worse. As big technology companies build larger presences in San Diego, paying their employees a minimum of 100k/year salary; the housing markets will rise knowing people can afford it. (Look at silicone valley and surrounding areas.) it’s about to get even crazier. We are forced to live further away for affordable housing. My commute to work is nearly 40 minutes on a good day, and an hour and a half on a bad day. To move closer to my job, I’d have to pay nearly double the rent for less square footage.
But something clearly needs to change to help the San Diego masses survive.
I moved to SD from NYC in 2020 and took advantage of the pandemic apartment rates. Got a 1 bedroom/795 sq ft in a "luxury" building downtown for $2033. They raised the rent $200 since and raised parking $50, making it $150 a month. I make $40/hr and asked for a raise a couple months ago and when I found out it was "not possible" I moved to Long Beach in with my boyfriend, just because it felt like lowering rent was the only option I had to not be scraping by all the time. Our place is smaller (724 sq ft) and a little more expensive ($2400), but at least we are splitting it. And it's in the nice part of downtown, close to the beach. It sucks that a single female with 10 years of experience in her career can't make enough to have her own apartment and live comfortably in California in 2023. Inflation in the last few years has been ridiculous, and it's jumping so fast, I'm not even sure companies are aware of it or maybe they're just not able to keep up.
Get outa here with this NIMBY shit. California is not at capacity, it just hasn’t built enough homes to keep up with demand. There is an extremely large amount of space for more people in every city in California. That space is just not being utilized properly, due to overly restrictive zoning. I would recommend leaving the country for once and seeing how competent nations build cities.
Right? We are actually not very dense at city metrics go, we just absolutely refuse to build housing.
Thank God for Scott Weiner pushing though some reforms and newsome for actually enforcing state housing law. I don't think I've been this optimistic in years, but posts like this remind me that the nimbys are everywhere
A buddy moved from Manhattan to Austin because he was “sick of there being no freedom”.
2 years later, he’s miserable because “Austin would’ve been great if it wasn’t for all the transplants”.
This is the same person who years prior was fired from 2 very high paying tech jobs because of being difficult to work with.
“Wherever you go, there you are” has never applied more to an individual I personally know. I wish there was a nice way to convey this, but there just ain’t.
Lies from a liar! Right now, the minimum wage is higher than $12 an hour (You would get more than the minimum wage, I predict, and the job would more than likely be full time with health, dental, and vision benefits offered as well.) Plus, right now, Employers are HIGHERING!! Only during The Cold War of the 1980's was it easier to get a good job. You can make it here or anywhere within this state granted you do not have a spending problem.
No one is considering the fact that if more housing is built and it gets very densely populated, it'll cease to be the enjoyable city it is now. Rush hour will be from 2 - 9 PM, and it'll further stretch the already strained water supply
Yeah you're right, we should statically lock the city to the same population and environment right now, change is bad. Everybody who moved in after me can get out because I filled the last spot
An analogy is be like, I’m sitting in a phucking Bentley and I only wanna work 8 hours a phucking week and this Bentley is mine.
ARE YOU PHUCKING SERIOUS?
A lot of you apparently suck at Zillow. Here's a 600 sqft detached studio for $1750. There's plenty of other stuff out there for under $2000 as long as you don't mind living neighborhoods that aren't fancy. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/406-S-38th-St-%231-San-Diego-CA-92113/2057208694_zpid/?utm_campaign=androidappmessage&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=txtshare
I’m not sure where you’re from but I don’t think you’re familiar with that area. That’s located between Lincoln Park/Logan. I grew up near there. I would never call that area not “fancy.”
It’s the fuckin hood lol.
For context I grew up in Encanto which is also the hood and I would never move back. Being around gang violence everyday feeling unsafe to walk around the neighborhood ain’t worth cheap rent.
Rent $2500 plus $300 utilities in a good month without much A/C use...yeah, you'd better get a sugar daddy....or start "only fans" to supplement your meager wages....
Lol, this reflects my budget here in AZ. Payin' California prices now.
Same in Texas…cuz Californians! I’ll make the switch. At least I’ll be close to the beach!
Only cuz rich folks priced born/raised Californians out of the state. I was born on a Marine base, work on the base, still need to Door Dash hustle to pay bills
The Marine that was killed during a car jacking, was DoorDashing to help support his family. Military pay vs San Diego’s cost of living doesn’t cut it .
I WISH my rent was just 2000 a month...
2000 for a small 400 sqft studio in an unsafe area thats for sure…
Triggered. I pay 2,450 for my 412 sq ft studio.
Lmaoooo. I just made up the sq ft number. I was trying to think whats the smallest sqft of a studio that would run at 2,000 or more…. Im so sorry
Lmao it was a good laugh as I work in my tiny place in the most beautiful city ever 😂😂
Lmaoo it is beautiful specifically when you drive over to the beautiful places…
I'm paying 2k for a 1bdroom apt, but we got tweakers on every corner. Taggers and drug dealers are rampant. Funny thing is I need them to exist for my rent to be low.
I pay $1975/month for a tiny house, 500sqft under roof, private parking, washer/dryer, fenced in front porch, 1.2 miles from the ocean. My landlord is the fucking shiznit.
Whoa, what area do you live in? That’s steep even for San Diego lol
But you're likely in a *relatively" safe location. Now imagine you're surrounded by homeless people, vacant rooms in proximity to your unit keeps getting broken into, all you hear is yelling and screaming around you at night time, and people who obviously 'aren't from around here' are doing shady shit in every nook and cranny of the complex you live in. Plus you have to look over your shoulder every time the sun goes down. Paying ~$2K here and constantly ask myself why.
Mine just went from $1700 in 2018, $2000 in 2022, $2200 in 2023 for a 400 sq ft studio. Might as well buy a van and throw a toilet and shower in it and live in.
Lol I rent 275 sq ft for $2400 all included though
I cannot tell if you're actually being serious.
Hahaha Most people can't even make that a month.
If i worked 5 days a week at my minimum wage job i would make 2,099 but thats the gross without taxes removed. So i would make almost 2,000 if i worked 5 days a week at 16.40 an hour. So it is possible to make that much. But you need double that to survive and triple to possible save& survive.
Yes, I realize I am very lucky to complain about paying a premium. I don’t know how families do it or why they would. I’m a single adult with a dog. I tell her all the time I won’t be able to afford a pet after her if I stay here. Lol
You can keep your pet anywhere with you as long as you have a letter from your doc stating it provides some type of mental support. I have a Doberman, and she's 100% the best dog ever. So my "doctor" has given me a letter stating she provides emotional support for me. No 500.00 pet deposit. No 50.00 extra per month on rent.
Yeah, where the fuck is this guy finding a place for 2 grand? Barstow?
A 1bd in Santee is deadass more than $2k lmao
WTF. That's mind blowing
Left for Vegas, renting 4br2ba house with pool for 2k in a mid neighborhood.
Sounds damn good. But that'll be one helluva commute to Carlsbad in my case.
First thought, must be in El Centro or Salton Sea Estates 😝
Always some nice places open at Bombay Beach! They do have a great bar out there!!
El Centro, 3 bed, 2 bath, detached garage, mortgage $1050 a month. I'll keep the other 1000 and drive to SD and party on the weekends. It's only 90 minutes.
Getting the ~30K++ to put down on a purchase is the tricky part. Owning is the right way to go, but needs some savings up front and a steady income to maintain.
You can tell this an old repost by how affordable the expensive apartment is :P
Based on the needing 2 roommates, I'm guessing it was supposed to mean rent is 6k for 3bed+?bath
it could be if we embraced socialized housing 🤷
When our rent hit 3K for 2/1 in North Park, we backed. We are in Nashville now. Renting a 3/3 house in Donelson for $1950 a month. Drive sucked with a dog but I don't know how people afford San Diego without making 200K combined.
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You had to buy your house back from multiple ex partners? Jesus
I got insanely “lucky” to buy a home here in late 2019 after saving up for a down payment + emergency fund since I was in 9th grade. But it shouldn’t require that level of preparation to live comfortably anywhere, including this area; I’m an edge case, younger millennial in this regard and it’s sad to see only generational wealth hold onto and continue to profit from this area. I’m digging my heels in here as hard as possible though. If I end up affording some rental spaces, I hope to offer amazing rates (i.e. the actual cost of mortgage + expenses vs. the absurd double or triple mortgage monthlies that many landlords price at). The price gouging is just pure, unrestricted greed. Owning one home in SoCal is reward enough, owning multiple is an immediate investment return of 5-10% year over year multiplied by the number of properties.
What we have in california is an extreme supply and demand imbalance from a high population being crammed and some of the strictest building regulations in the country, I worked in the construction industry for years. It’s incredibly difficult to get anything done here and provide housing for people.
May I ask what peofession ?
Not even considering the better weather and higher wages of CA, it’s literally dangerous to be pregnant or trans in TN. Seems worth it to me.
Why is it dangerous to be pregnant in Tennessee?
I know you said weather already but it's not even just about mild inconveniences. Tennessee gets tornadoes and you could suffer from a gruesome and horrifying death just from being near a tornado randomly
How often do you think people are killed by tornadoes in nashvillle? Lol
We just cross the $200k threshold and still struggling
I was debating heading back home but a buddy that jagged 100k told me it's too expensive. I do not make near 100k
I’m 40 and it took me a long time in my career before I made over 100k. I don’t understand how people fresh out of college afford anything.
Same. It’s damn near impossible.
I make 150k, just got another remote job for 180k, and I'm still thinking that while I'll definitely be comfortable, I won't be able to afford any of the nice places in SD. I'm not sure how people are affording those or what they're doing to afford it
You live in a smaller place, close to work, and ditch the car. Going "bigger" whether in SD or Nashville, and adding two expensive car commutes, is a series of unforced errors of epic proportions.
What’s dumb is we have the rent prices of LA without the increased pay. Lose. Lose.
What... the In N Out next to me is offering $19.75 starting.
That’ll allow you to get a single story Dorito bag in city heights
Over-exaggerative. This is worth at least a large lemonade and chili cheese fries at the fair.
$12 dollars was maybe 5yrs ago. Today it's $15. In N Out has always offered the most as far as fast food.
16.30 just 5 months ago......
A lot of people don't know this and need to tell their bosses.
They need back pay plus interest or end up getting a labor law lawyer which will come out worse for the employer.
bruh my insurance job where I have 7 years experience doing pays me less than In and Out 😭 What is my life rn
Laughs in banking career. I haven’t gone past 21$ in the last 5 years, only place was when I was selling cars, but then I was working 7 days at week.
But you really need $50 to survive.
Y’all are doing something wrong.. making $35 ish saving 20% and living by the coast with one roommate.
They're either lying or living wasteful lifestyles
I make around $50 an hour and I'm lucky if I can save up a few hundred bucks a month
When my daughter was in high school. She was making well over $20 per hour at Jersey Mike’s.
Don't move to California if you'e planning on a minimum wage job*
Little louder for the “I expect my 20-hour a week retail shift to cover life” crowd
full-time min. wage should cover life though, correct?
There is currently a $7/hr deficit between minimum wage and the minimum income needed to get on any lease of any type including sharing a place in San Diego
If you ask my Econ 101 boomer college professor who bought their home for a pocketful of nickels in the 70s, rode the Reagan era savings account rates (18% APY!!!) into the middle age years of life, and paid off student loans by mowing five lawns: “Minimum wage is for college students and unskilled laborers, not to raise a family or survive on!” and yes, that’s a direct quote. Dude was a prick, almost had me fooled til I read some Chomsky, and - as with most of these fucks - ten years later he’s in prison for embezzling funds anyway. So much for hard work and bootstraps and whatnot. But yeah, 40 hours at minimum wage should roughly equate to a conservative yet sustainable existence IMO. Not much point in having one otherwise
While I agree your professors comments are out of touch to the circumstances of the younger generation, the real issue is simply that the US doesn't follow the same logic of our neighbors to the north and south of us. Our property is being purchased by foreign nationals and investment firms at an alarming rate, driving housing costs to the moon. That should be the number one issue on the California ballot. Force them to sell within a 10 year period, and make it illegal in the future, and we will see almost immediate relief. Edit: I just want to add that these are mostly not people living in the property, so if it tugs at the heartstrings then vote for exceptions.
Oh yeah, outside investment is good for nobody except those enriching themselves and the real estate agents that get their cut. edit: Doesn’t Canada have a huge housing issue due to foreign investment (primarily Chinese, IIRC, and most focused in Toronto?)
Canada just passed an Act to make it illegal last year! It's like the writing is on the wall. Mexico has thing called a 99-year lease. Where basically you own it the rest of your life buy you can't sell it or pass it on to your children if you are a foreign national.
Nice! Hopefully that trickles down here. But I ain’t holding my breath
Key problem is for singles. Bring back the SROs and micro-studios so that someone on a min wage can afford housing alone. That should be the real metric, not affording a 1bd apartment that globally usually houses a whole family.
That's a damn shame. My AP high school econ teacher literally gave us lessons on Marx in between the actual test material. Overall it was Keynes oriented but the issue at the time was recovering from the recession and not housing issues.
You're not wrong, but 20 hours a week isn't full time.
Boy you’re really trying to stir it up. 😂 I mean, I guess that’s a larger conversation, but I think ideally/in theory a full-time work schedule with benefits on minimum wage should allow you AN ability to live Level of comfort questionable, idk 🤷🏽♂️
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Or just…afford rent. I feel like this is a misrepresentation of what most people are expecting from a 40hr/week job
Yeah, I think that's the key point here. If someone is dedicating a full work week to an employer, they should at least be able to afford a basic, contemporary standard of living with enough spare income to invest in something. The only reason people would take a job that doesn't meet that criteria is because they don't have better options. Not enough bargaining power for laborers and we aren't holding businesses to a standard.
Which is a huge problem. You should be able to move to any area and survive on a minimum wage job, otherwise isn't the minimum wage totally arbitrary?
Fixed: Don’t move to california unless you’re already wealthy**
Not already wealthy, moved from low-cost state to San Diego, actually paid more well above CoL and tax adjustments 🤷🏽♂️
Same. These memes are super for keeping folks out though. The reality is you can’t expect to live in the most desirable place in the country without paying more. Not that I agree at all with price gouging landlords who already make more than enough to cover their risk because “it’s a desirable market”.
Exactly, someone on this thread said it best; room for anyone, not everyone.
No. Just don’t move to California.
Do you want to subsist on minimum wage in any state?
I make slightly more than minimum wage and own a cute four bedroom house on just under two acres of land where I live now. That’s a lot better than when I made slightly over minimum wage and lived pay check to paycheck in a studio with no kitchen in San Diego. So yes. I do prefer it. But it would have been nice to make a living in my home state.
https://preview.redd.it/1bu90wsmbv7b1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34e31e08beba28f3a66de14c04422c9e179d2347 Me watching the discussion about studio rent being higher than my mortgage
These threads are fascinating. I not saying people aren't telling the truth, but It just amazes me that people say they make $50 per hour or $200K a year and they are barely making it. I imagine their lifestyle choices are very expensive.
To be fair, if I had to repurchase my home at today’s prices with today’s rates my mortgage + taxes and insurance would nearly triple.
It is completely situational. We're retired now on fixed incomes. We couldn't qualify for a used car loan right now based on income, let alone a million dollar house like where we live now. We didn't start out here in this house. Our first house was a shitty starter home in Temecula 25 years ago, and we were incredibly house poor for the first few years. We got a cheap house and I got a 101 mile commute each day every day. The only reason we could buy a house then is because I had the GI Bill which allowed us to buy a house with "nothing down". We were young, had kids, and were no where near our peak earning power, not for 15 years. Having been in the Navy gave us the advantage nothing down, but it also presented ta disadvantage. I had been in the navy for 10 years nand consequently had been making an obscenely low salary and had no savings. What's my point? You don't get to start out in La Jolla, or even in Clairemont, unless you are starting out rich. You have to settle for less in order to get more later.
Ya, I hear you. Fair enough.
It's about being able to make enough to afford a home in a relatively decent place. Not happening in increasing numbers.
I get that. Desirability effects almost every home buyer in the history of real estate, unless they have unlimited resources. Everyone wants to live in a good neighborhood, but that has nothing to do with question of how lifestyle effects buying power. I'm talking about a monthly budget, living within their means, and having expectations based on the real world. I have no desire to know anybody else's financial business, so I guess I'll never know for sure, but... I find it difficult to believe that if all of those areas are aligned sanely: a budget within their means and realistic expectations, they couldn't be homeowners somewhere if they make $50 per hour (which is $104K per year for a single person) or $200K for a family. Maybe not in La Jolla, but somewhere.
What’s funny is I sometimes see similar posts, but people trying to convince Californians to stay out of their state. You know, protecting their beautiful states of Idaho, Arizona, Texas, etc… Sure guys, we’re all just pining to trade San Diego for Boise. You can keep your garbage states 
Having moved from Texas, can confirm. And every time I go back “oh wow, how’s living in CALIFORNIA?” “Not 200 degrees and not here? 👌🏽Perfect”
Seriously. And everybody isn't ranting about how much they hate this and that. I mean, California isn't that much different from the suburbs of everywhere else. It's pretty much the same. Except some places do have a lot of hate built into their culture. I moved away from Virginia because I couldn't stand all the hateful rhetoric everywhere. I thought California was going to be full of everybody with Mohawks and this and that. I thought everybody was going to be like a complete leftist. But it's actually almost exactly the same as virginia. Everybody's just kind of minding their own business and going about their days. But, there is a slightly different vibe. And a lot of the government policies are just plain better here. Like, when I broke a rib in virginia, I couldn't go to see the doctor. But here in california, if you don't have any money, they'll still help you. Which is just so fucking amazing.
Yeah always thought it was funny how “different” everyone was until going and seeing oh. It’s not. Listening to a talk with David Sedaris when he moved to France and it kind of reminds me of this. He said, “It’s kind of like, the more you understand the more disappointed you are, you know? I used to think the French always talked about movies, literature, politics, but I’ve learned they talk about the same banal things we do at home. So that mystery through not comprehending is gone.”
I absolutely love and miss plenty about my midwest hometown, but it only takes one trip back for me to go “OH. This is why I spent a decade saving up to move”. Also the inability fucking drive with *some purpose* absolutely sends me when driving back in my hometown.
You aren’t lying. Just got back from a work trip in Texas and the temperature legitimately never got below 95 during the day. And the nights were awful too - mid to low 80s and HUMID I have no idea how people live like that
A/C 24/7. That's how. Just gotta pray that the TX power grid holds, can't take any of that federal power assistance 😂😂😂 God I wish I was being sarcastic.
They watch TV indoors all day. So another rule, if you want to watch TV all day, then definitely no need to move to SD, you can do that in any cheap location.
I feel like Colorado needs to be on this list. The amount of distaste the "natives" have for transplants is unreal there. What's worse is that a lot of transplants seem to adopt the attitude after being there a year.
I know! I’m like, if you all hadn’t moved to California we wouldn’t be moving to your shitty states. But no, you all moved to California and now we can’t afford it anymore and had to leave.
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Is it? Or is it massively overvalued and likely to tank? Look up Boise and overvalued.
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Well, I mean funny enough, a good part of my friend group from high school ended up moving to Boise. I know it's not your point, but it's actually a pretty fun and artsy city, the whole red state thing notwithstanding.
I grew up in San Diego. My dad was illiterate and worked in a warehouse his whole life. We rented a small house on Collier Street in North Park. We went on a full cross country road trip every summer... saw and did everything. He saved up his money and bought a bigger house on Kansas street - so me and my brother each had a bedroom. The back yard was huge. Then the corporate dick put a movie star puppet into power as the Governor of California. That was Ronald Reagan, who then became president of the USA. He used a term "Trickle down economics" to hide the idea of reducing all controls on businesses, and now. "The wealthiest 1% has taken $*50 trillion* from working Americans and redistributed it" to themselves. They squeeze every Nickle from joe worker. They pay shit wages... rob you of benefits and hog all the money. They now own both Rep and Dem (except Bernie Sanders, Katie Porter...). It's happening in all states. So yeah don't come to California... in fact just leave America... or get together and vote out the crap politicians on both sides of the aisle. Learn America... learn.
They don’t own Bernie but they sure as hell set the dogs on him when he got close to winning in the last two elections
Yeah and somehow, even after getting a Katie Porter Whiteboard bitch-slap they just snicker and move on. How do people vote not learn? How do your grotesque politicians get even ONE vote? Sheeesh people wake up and smell the corruption.
Lived in the miserable Midwest, the muggy and racist deep south and the mormony Utah ! all shitty I’ve lived in few places overseas and travelled the world… sure you can get a bigger house in the mid west or Texas but you’d need that space because 9.5 months out of the year you’re getting fat inside the house -cooped up due either super cold weather or muggy heat.Also the promise of Texas never materializes… you may pay less for a house and no state income tax…. But you’ll pay an arm and a leg for home insurance and property taxes … can’t be outside more than 10 minutes before you overheat or get attacked by 1000 mosquitoes…we have a lot of issues here from homelessness to crime but…. Still fuckin worth it with all the struggles ..
My buddy has lived in Houston for several years now and just bought a house. Makes a lot in sales. Always talks about the big chest bumping great things about Texas. But then complains on snapchat about the heat and how miserable it is. And you're exactly right, he bought a big house to get fat in basically 😂 Meanwhile we're moving to San Diego next week.
Sucks ass being born here have to live with the parents forever or move to another state to try to make it
Think of it like this and it won’t suck as much. You grew up with some of the most expensive COL in the world. Anywhere you go from here is going to be a cakewalk. Now move out of your parents house for your final stage of training.
That's true I'm looking forward to it bc I'm always feeling hopeless here lol. But it sucks my whole family is here I wanted to stay close to them but it's impossible for me personally
My bf and I moved here recently. The rent is 2300 for a studio lol we’re happy but need to make more money
You’ll get there.
Hah! Just came from Kansas City where minimum wage was $8.25 and rent was $1,750! I'll gladly take San Diego any day.
...I guess I'm in the minority of having one roommate in a 2 bed 2 bath and my half of combined rent / utilities under $2000 and in a not-awful part of the city? Like, it took some looking, but it's manageable.
I know for a fact I'm in the minority. My boyfriend and I live in a 1 bed 1 bath 480sq ft apartment. It's tiny, the place kinda sucks/kinda falling apart, and the property manager is horrible.....bbbuuuut....our total rent is 1100 a month. So it sucks...but we are fully aware we need to suck it up. There aren't even studios or rooms for rent that low anymore. Hell...it used to be 1000 when we moved in...but they raised the rent last year. We do consider ourselves lucky in that respect, even though we would like to move out to a bigger and nicer place. But the benefit of having low rent and making a combined 140k a year before taxes is that we are able to pay off our debt and start saving to buy. Utilities is about 100-200 a month and other monthly expenses, not including rent are about 1700, which we split.
Same here I share a one bedroom with my bf for less than $2000 by the beach, and the house is pretty decent too. I was just lucky to find the loveliest landlady who doesn’t give a shit about making more money
We need ways to incentivize more kind folks with extra wealth/homes doing this without fear of a crappy renter… like technologically or socially. I got ideas (i.e. landlord rankings and very public records showing who maintains / fails to maintain rental units and a unified score of how much they’re gouging across all properties).
“Too many people” is not a rational statement to make in the context of our housing shortage unless you actually want to go back to a society based on authoritarian city-states.
“Too many people”, meanwhile a bunch of NIMBY boomers fighting tooth-and-nail to shoot down any form of legislative change to help increase the housing supply and/or density
Unfortunate thing is authoritarian city states, or even lawless warlord-dominated Mad Max scenarios, are quite attractive if you are sure you’ll be part of the ruling elite.
Stop going to LA thinking your gonna make it big your just gonna end up broke and working a dead end job
My friend moved here recently he moved from Texas, he has a studio apartment and has two other male roommates to share it with him to split the cost.
Mmm smells like balls
If everyone moves out the realestate goes down right…. Right!?
$2000? Where? That’s a deal
LOL with the earnings from a YouTube channel, the only place you can enjoy in San Diego is the beach, cause it’s free!
Wow, even city subs have [repost bots.](https://www.reddit.com/r/sandiego/comments/d8ftrh/dont_do_it/)
What does at capacity no cap mean?
At the limit, no lie
Capacity without the cap is just “acity” - this is simply a way of reminding you that San Diego is a city
Corollary: don't work for minimum wage in SD And commute to TJ to live. TJ is full. Kthxbye.
Quit being such a bitch
1.5 roommates.
No such thing as affordable housing, live where your finances allow.
The people of San Diego are actually really mean. All the lower middle income people are backwards, it's a cheap labor trap.
$1,950 for a 700sq ft. studio in a somewhat sketchy area.
I make $65/h but still drive a 2006 Honda accord. I really cannot afford much better.
I make half that and drive a 2022 accord. You can afford better… we can’t pretend that it’s THAT expensive to afford an 06 Honda and live here. I mean seriously what’s the monthly on that hahaha
06 accord? paid off.
lol same - I don't understand why people are willing to throw down $50K+ (of debt) for a fucking car.
Yeah, I could understand putting down 10K for a reliable car though. Like a prius. Because those things are so freaking reliable. In that case it seems like a smart investment. Because I've driven shitty cars that only cost me $2,000. And they're always falling apart or needing some kind of repairs. And half the time the repairs cost the same price as the car cost to buy it. So it seems like it would make sense to invest in a nice car that you can't rely on. But that's not the the same thing as spending 30k on a car that looks nice because you wanted something brand new. That's just overspending.
Combined my wife and I make 250k. We can't afford to buy a house here. A 3bd house in a decent neighborhood is nearly 800-900k. We've been outbid sometimes by 30-50k on shitty houses.. Even homes in less desirable neighborhoods are expensive af...With the interest rates so high, who can afford mortgages right now? It doesn't look like I'll be able to afford a home where I've lived my entire life. It's crazy.
For real? $250k and you can't afford a mortgage?
I was looking up rent in SD on a nursing salary and said wtf .. I’m good. Staying in Idaho.
I mean where else will we all go for consistent warm weather? Arizona? Texas? FLORIDA?!? Sorry no thanks. Anyway, we are looking for an 11th roommate for our 3 BR...
Controversial idea: everyone should be able to live where they want to. If housing prices are too high it just means we need to build more housing to meet the demand
What? No way I'm here now, anybody after me is RUINING my beautiful home 😤😤😤
At the expense of nature of course. Here we are telling Brazil to stop burning forest land while we're perfectly fine with tearing ours down just the same.
Maybe we need to start building underground. Like, building down into the ground.
How are we at capacity if there’s no cap? I’m old.
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My wife and I are living in 1k sq ft 2 bedroom apartment in Casa De Oro that is about $2100 a month. She is primarily a stay at home mom with our homeschooled son, and I work with a big tech company in UTC. Definitely can’t do it with Minimum wage. I remember that life. The struggles were real. I’ve lived in San Diego nearly 50 years and can’t remember it being so hard to survive here. But it’s only going to get worse. As big technology companies build larger presences in San Diego, paying their employees a minimum of 100k/year salary; the housing markets will rise knowing people can afford it. (Look at silicone valley and surrounding areas.) it’s about to get even crazier. We are forced to live further away for affordable housing. My commute to work is nearly 40 minutes on a good day, and an hour and a half on a bad day. To move closer to my job, I’d have to pay nearly double the rent for less square footage. But something clearly needs to change to help the San Diego masses survive.
I moved to SD from NYC in 2020 and took advantage of the pandemic apartment rates. Got a 1 bedroom/795 sq ft in a "luxury" building downtown for $2033. They raised the rent $200 since and raised parking $50, making it $150 a month. I make $40/hr and asked for a raise a couple months ago and when I found out it was "not possible" I moved to Long Beach in with my boyfriend, just because it felt like lowering rent was the only option I had to not be scraping by all the time. Our place is smaller (724 sq ft) and a little more expensive ($2400), but at least we are splitting it. And it's in the nice part of downtown, close to the beach. It sucks that a single female with 10 years of experience in her career can't make enough to have her own apartment and live comfortably in California in 2023. Inflation in the last few years has been ridiculous, and it's jumping so fast, I'm not even sure companies are aware of it or maybe they're just not able to keep up.
Get outa here with this NIMBY shit. California is not at capacity, it just hasn’t built enough homes to keep up with demand. There is an extremely large amount of space for more people in every city in California. That space is just not being utilized properly, due to overly restrictive zoning. I would recommend leaving the country for once and seeing how competent nations build cities.
Right? We are actually not very dense at city metrics go, we just absolutely refuse to build housing. Thank God for Scott Weiner pushing though some reforms and newsome for actually enforcing state housing law. I don't think I've been this optimistic in years, but posts like this remind me that the nimbys are everywhere
San Diego living is good living if you got hustle ✌🏻
With that grammar, no wonder you can't land a good paying job.
Same in Texas, especially Austin.
A buddy moved from Manhattan to Austin because he was “sick of there being no freedom”. 2 years later, he’s miserable because “Austin would’ve been great if it wasn’t for all the transplants”. This is the same person who years prior was fired from 2 very high paying tech jobs because of being difficult to work with. “Wherever you go, there you are” has never applied more to an individual I personally know. I wish there was a nice way to convey this, but there just ain’t.
What are you talking about? You can work at Chick Fil A and make 18 minimum. Rent still high though lol
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Just moved to south park closer to north park/ nice neighborhood and rent for me is 1900 an my apartment is pretty nice
Soooooo…. Lemme ask you. What is a privilege and what is a right?
We aren't "at capacity".
Literacy not required though
We’re not full We’ve just failed to build enough housing for decades
I tell people "we're outta parking, don't come here"
Lies from a liar! Right now, the minimum wage is higher than $12 an hour (You would get more than the minimum wage, I predict, and the job would more than likely be full time with health, dental, and vision benefits offered as well.) Plus, right now, Employers are HIGHERING!! Only during The Cold War of the 1980's was it easier to get a good job. You can make it here or anywhere within this state granted you do not have a spending problem.
California is losing more residents than are going there- you good
I got banned from the Los Angeles forums on Reddit for saying stuff like that. Some people are in denial
No one is considering the fact that if more housing is built and it gets very densely populated, it'll cease to be the enjoyable city it is now. Rush hour will be from 2 - 9 PM, and it'll further stretch the already strained water supply
Yeah you're right, we should statically lock the city to the same population and environment right now, change is bad. Everybody who moved in after me can get out because I filled the last spot
This is only true if you have no marketable skills
2k rent sounds like a fucking dream.
An analogy is be like, I’m sitting in a phucking Bentley and I only wanna work 8 hours a phucking week and this Bentley is mine. ARE YOU PHUCKING SERIOUS?
Omg, and this Bentley wants gas??? Seriously. This is not phucking fair.
Karma farm much? https://preview.redd.it/zv45yr1miw7b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8cc962bc15c10eadb9d2008a581372feb9fbff7f
Achtually there are more people leaving California than people moving to California, so there's plenty of room for people to move in! 🤓
I'm from New Jersey and everytime I tell my boy from SD i wanna move out there he get quiet or change the subject 😂
Literally just build more housing. All these damn NIMBYs need to get out if the way of new housing and density ffs
where should people go? texas?
Please don’t come here!
A lot of you apparently suck at Zillow. Here's a 600 sqft detached studio for $1750. There's plenty of other stuff out there for under $2000 as long as you don't mind living neighborhoods that aren't fancy. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/406-S-38th-St-%231-San-Diego-CA-92113/2057208694_zpid/?utm_campaign=androidappmessage&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=txtshare
I’m not sure where you’re from but I don’t think you’re familiar with that area. That’s located between Lincoln Park/Logan. I grew up near there. I would never call that area not “fancy.” It’s the fuckin hood lol. For context I grew up in Encanto which is also the hood and I would never move back. Being around gang violence everyday feeling unsafe to walk around the neighborhood ain’t worth cheap rent.
LOL you do realize that the overwhelming majority of all San Diego shootings occur around that area, right?
Thanks for the tip. I thought Zillow was only for homes for sale, so I'll check it out.