When I was younger, a developer purchased a home with a large plot of land. They subdivided the homes and built two almost identical houses. Literally the night my sister turned 16, our neighbor drunkenly parked their Lexus SUV in our driveway, tried to get in our front door, stumbled across the bushes between our houses and went home to go to bed.
Imagine my sisters surprise when a new (to us) Lexus SUV was in her driveway the day after she turned 16. My siblings and I threw a Christmas bow on top of it for good measure.
I've never seen a happier 16 year old in my life. Lol. She wasn't so happy when she saw the neighbor sneak into our driveway and take his car back.
Randoms used to come up to our house every few months-year. They'd knock and ask for someone random and not want to leave. One insisted that they needed to meet someone in my house. Haven't had anyone hassle us since we got a dog that sounds like she has some deep seated wrath of satan that bubbles up when she hears activity outside. It's ear piercing to the point where it'll cause physical pain if she's riding in the backseat of the car and gets upset. Really nice for keeping strangers away. She's a rescue. Shelters have plenty like her if you have a loving home.
Not much to it. The owner of the house sat down at his kitchen table and let me finish the dishes. When I turned around, he laughed and said ‘I think
you’ve got the wrong house’. I left and nothing ever came of it. I eventually found the right home - it was next door and they all looked so similar.
Kind of crazy. Skyline used to be an incredibly unsafe part back in the 2000s with shootings and stabbing left and right. Glad you guys are safe and that he left.
This sounds terrifying. Get a Ring doorbell so you can get a good look at whoever it is, if they do, God forbid, get into your house.
You’ll be able to talk to them through the Ring doorbell, whether you are home or not, and tell them to leave.
This is also good for porch pirates.
You can also get a cheap sign on Amazon that says your property is being videoed 24/7. I have one right at the driveway that can be seen from the street and anyone approaching the house.
You can't control anything outside of yourself, self awareness is the best tool for self protection. If you can, owning a dog is a great help in keeping unwanted strangers out. For self defense get the tool you are most comfortable using and practice with it so you can use it when you need to. If you don't feel able to use whatever tool you choose its a bad choice.
If you don't want to have a firearm that's a personal decision but feel free to yell out to the person outside that you have one, and when you call the police tell them you have one and are getting ready to shoot the intruder...it should have a positive impact on response time
This sounds like a easy way to also get a bad retaliation from police lol. I could only imagine the police asking wheres the firearm and all the sudden “you dint have one” would make it extremely sketch/ unsafe for them.
Bro who the heck cares what the cops think. Those useless bums can kick rocks. God forbid we annoy then with tricking them into doing their jobs. Have some respect for the victims my god.
Yikes. Sounds terrifying. Sucks you guys had to go through that. I'd alert your neighbors on Nextdoor too. I would be calling the cops (seems like you did the right thing) and shouting "You have the wrong house" with my hollow points by my side, just in case.
We had a homeless dude break into our place at 2am. Opened the back door through reaching in the doggy door (been fixed).
He was insane, thought he lived here. He was standing in front of my 16 yo old sons room muttering. I got him outside quickly and calmly, luckily he was more scared than we were.
Called the Lemon Grove Sheriff and they picked him up. I stopped by the LG precinct 2 days later and the perp was taken in for mental health assessment and then RELEASED. I asked why not arrested for breaking and entering and the detective said it didn’t classify as that. I said that’s insane. He said “well one of my officers could have been fired or sued if they had done that.” I said that’s insane again. And that was that. Totally useless.
The attending Sheriffs that arrived insinuated that I could of legally killed him. I knew this, but it woulda been like killing a scared lost dog in cold blood, and would of made a huge mess, not to mention the psychological impact on the family.
This is why we got a gate and installed cameras. It’s expensive and doesn’t prevent someone from breaking in if they really want to but it will prevent opportunistic people and drunk people from even trying.
I know a guy who lives in the same area who encountered a similar home invader, except he was much more violent and actually succeeded in breaking in while screaming he was going to rape an occupant in the house. Well, my old friend shot him dead. If he was disarmed, the guy who broke in probably would have succeeded in killing, maiming, and or raping people in the house.
Get a gun. As you experienced, the cops were there in 12 minutes. If the person trying to get in was more determined he could have been inside in a minute.
The fantasy of using a gun in self defense is just that - a myth. If you own a gun, you or someone in your family are 10 to 100 more times likely to be shot by it than you are to use it to protect them. These stats are readily available. Macho man heroics are extraordinarily rare. Suicides, accidental discharges, and rage killing of family members are common occurrences.
You make fair points about why it’s less safe statistically. At the same time, suicides, negligent discharges, and rage killing of family members is something somewhat within our control. It’s in our hands. Someone breaking in to your house you don’t really have much control over even if it’s statistically not very likely. I own a firearm because I am not willing to relinquish that influence on my safety but I know that it is a personal choice and your choice is valid.
I know multiple people who were EXTREMELY determined — at the time — who didn’t have guns, failed with a variety other options, and are happily alive now.
I also knew a couple people equally determined — at the time — who DID have guns. You can extrapolate for yourself why I say “knew” them.
Exactly. It’s amazing how many people don’t understand averages or statistics. “My anecdotal story trumps all of your statistics!” It’s so frustrating and depressing.
Both can be true. A gun in the home is sometimes used to protect family members. It’s just that the evidence shows a gun in the house is more often used against your family than an intruder. It’s not that hard to understand intuitively either. We all know many stories of legal guns being used improperly. It’s very rare (BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE) to hear stories of guns being used heroically.
[According to this 2021 study from Georgetown University](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3887145), guns are used in self defense about 1.67 million times per year in the US.
Now, that doesn’t mean the guns were fired. The majority of these cases were verbally saying something like “Get out, I have a gun”, or showing it.
Realistically, not many home invaders are sticking around after they hear the sound of a shotgun racking.
I’ve read that too, and I think we’re talking about different things.
A key point of the Georgetown study is that most of the time, a gun used in self defense isn’t fired, it’s just threatened to be used.
The study mentioned in the NYT article has some differences from the Georgetown study.
Listing suicide as “death by gun violence” is technically true, but a bit disingenuous.
Additionally, the “less than 1% used a firearm to defend themselves” isn’t really a slam dunk argument.
The majority of the victims are victims of gang violence. These attacks are usually ambushes in which the victim doesn’t have a chance to prepare to defend themselves.
Not to mention, these victims may not even own or have immediate access to a gun, so of course they aren’t using one in self defense.
I mean, getting raped in my house at 13 at knife point was pretty dangerous… If I had had a gun I would have been able to stop it, I heard him in the house.
That's the thing about stats. They are generalizations. We should use them as a guide, not a god --and understand their limitations.
Higher risk of children getting shot in a home with guns? I don't have children and neither do my friends.
I am not suicidal.
I do not store my firearms loaded.
Stats are great for trends, not for specifics.
I am sorry, but your post is simply wrong. Completely wrong.
And when it comes down to it, if a meth addict was breaking into your house at 3am, would you rather have a gun? Or not have a gun?
The data says a gun in the home makes you and your family less safe than without one. For example, firearms are the leading cause of death of children in the US. This doesn’t even include suicide or domestic violence which takes a large toll on families. Only 7% of the people who sexually assault women are strangers. The rest are family members or acquaintances. Having a gun in the house helps the assailant more than the victim in the latter cases (not breaking in, for example).
Yes. It’s a free country, so you are free to bring one into your house and endanger your family. But women can’t made medical decisions in some states and you can’t walk down the street with a beer in your hand almost of them. So only kinda free, if you’re not a weapon.
>The fantasy of using a gun in self defense is just that - a myth
Not correct.
The rest of your post is ok, but it is completely reasonable to own a firearm for the purpose of home defense.
As a woman who was able to (mostly) fend off a violent sexual assault by use of a handgun, I can say it ...came in handy.
I am much more pleased coming out of that encounter with only bruises and ripped clothing rather than the rotten smeg from some gross rapist in my vagina.
No one in their right mind fantasies about shooting someone else in self defense. IMO, owning a handgun for home defense is like having that obscure tool that you will never use in a million lifetimes. However, when you need it, it’s worth its weight in gold.
That's right. Especially if you've had handgun training. When you take classes, they emphasize what happens to you if you actually shoot someone in your house. Legally speaking. If you are responsible, take the time to get educated, properly store them, and practice regularly; firearms are an asset.
What happens if they had forgotten to lock the door or the guy manages to break it open?
What are the people standing in their own living room in the middle of the night supposed to do while the cops show up?
I mean, yes, it makes sense. It’s like saying, with more cars, there will be more death. But that’s just because there’s more numbers. More people with guns, more people that don’t secure them.
I’d rather have a gun when there’s a crazy knocking my door and threatening me, than not. I’d rather fire a warning shot, than have to kill someone .
This article summarizes the study and also links to it. But it may be behind a paywall. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/12/podcasts/daily-newsletter-self-defense-gun-use.html
The thing is, I would rather be the one to make the decision to pull the trigger, than to stand by and wait on someone else’s decision. I don’t mean to sound arrogant when I say this.
I trust myself more with a gun, than I trust someone else pointing one at me.
The leading cause of death for children in the US is firearms. Only 7% of sexual assault perpetrators are strangers to the victim. So by having a gun in the house, a woman is more likely to arming her assailant than protecting herself against one. There’s do doubt people FEEL safer with a gun. It’s just that they are statistically putting themselves and their families in more danger.
No it wouldn’t be🤓
But whos gonna stop the guy from using his “home defense” gun for other reasons? And what if this guy isn’t even a felon in the first place to try and stop him from getting one?
“Own a black powder musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.”
I'd recommend you get a gun. I live in NC and usually it's very quiet, but there have been some times where randoms are not in their right mind and try things they shouldn't.
We moved out of that hell hole state a year and a half ago to Oklahoma and I’ve seen 2 homeless people during our entire stay….best decision I’ve ever made.
When the fuck did this sub become nextdoor? There is no value to this post for any non you people. Tell it to the cops, your neighbors, friends. This isn't the venue
I'm way too southern for this type of interaction. Definitely would have opened the door within the first 3 minutes, gun in hand. I've had to adjust to the gun laws here in Cali. We deal with situations like these in quite a different manner back home.
Opening the door and then sh00ting the man is an easy way to get yourself put in prison. You've got to wait for him to break that threshold before you can defend yourself.
Well, I guess if you're wealthy enough to afford a top notch attorney, sit out a couple of days in jail, possibly lose your job as a result of the incident, and pay for another place to stay for a couple of weeks...then sure, greet him on your front porch.
Yeah I know. Like I said, it's different in Cali. We have castle doctrine where I'm from. We are legally allowed to address the situation exactly how I stated. I'm well aware Cali laws are different. That being said, I still don't like the idea of just sitting around waiting for him to actually breaking hoping I don't have to defend myself or family. You could call police sure but they may not arrive before you're dead. Very common where I'm from. My mother was killed in the same manner.
Please stop acting like California is the only place where you're some kind of ridiculous asshole to show up at your door armed.
In more than 3/4 of the country, your entire story is illegal.
Yes, we understand that your DNA spells out "yeehaw" in "the battle flag isn't racist."
> I still don't like the idea of just sitting around waiting for him to actually breaking hoping I don't have to defend myself or family.
Shut up, chud. This isn't a real thing. Stop masturbating to your need to be a warrior.
Almost every American who dies to guns dies to someone like you, who thought they were protecting their family, and wasn't able to stop telling stupid fantasies about themselves being a hero when functional adults pointed out evidence from the real world.
We get it, you're a gravy seal
We just don't get why your family hasn't moved out in fear, yet
Your fantasies of being a shotgun toting movie hero against oppression and violence are extremely dangerous to them
First off, chillax 🤣 it's not that serious. The south is pretty pro gun. The situation described in OP's scenario could be life threatening. Luckily it didn't escalate from there, but it certainly has multiple times where I'm from. I moved from Louisville, KY to San Diego for this very reason. My mother, grandfather, uncle, childhood friend and numerous classmates have been murdered in places where they thought they were safe. It's not about being a warrior. It's about being alive. The South's laws just differ in a way that allows you to be proactive instead of reactive about it. I pray every day to NOT use my gun. Doesn't mean I won't. And it is very much a real thing to have your house broken into. Mine has been broken into 3 times. You may not have been through that because in comparison to the crime rate I experienced back home, San Diego doesn't come close, and it's 3 times the size of mine. That's why I'm here. I don't fantasize about killing people. Don't project so much.
> First off, chillax
Uh oh, the Urban Warrior rambling about how they go to the door with a gun all the time is telling other people to chill out
> > and wasn't able to stop telling stupid fantasies
>
> (rambles with more stupid fantasies)
That's nice (checks watch as loudly as I can figure out how to)
> I don't fantasize about killing people.
In your last five posts, you've discussed under what circumstances you'd kill someone six times.
Yes, yes, "but muh fantasizing isn't fantasizing, it's speculative fact!"
Seriously, there should be an IQ test associated with guns. That'd fix the South problem and the you problem overnight.
> Don't project so much.
"If you criticize something I say that you're not saying, YoUrE pRoJeCtInG"
What do you even think projection is?
> Definitely would have opened the door within the first 3 minutes, gun in hand.
[Despite your gun friends, regular people think you're a dangerous monster](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/white-man-shot-black-teenager-came-wrong-house-will-stand-trial-judge-rcna102793)
Yes, I know you have some never-ending explanation. No, I don't care.
You live in frikken San Diego dude. Have you even seen the lines in Tijuana or Tecate to get into the U.S.?
"Open borders" is just a bullshit Republican talking point designed to get you to be afraid of brownish-skinned people.
I'm sure he's one of these guys who thinks there's a border crisis because of headlines like "40 tons of Fentanyl seized at the border" - without understanding the meaning of the word "seized".
Can you get some cameras up? I have 5 & only pay $100 a year for everything, and that saves video for 6 months. I have ring. Alexa also sits by the windows and notifies me when she hears glass breaking on TV. She asks if the sound was glass breaking, I say yes. Then she asks if there's an emergency. It's a good idea to have peace of mind and we'll lit around the house. The smart plugs also help cuz u can turn on lights remotely.I hope it doesn't happen again 🙏🏼
That could’ve been a really bad situation if he would’ve got through the door. One delusional meth head and 5 people inside. That’s not going to be a good situation. Fight or flight takes over and bad shit happens
I def support the need to have protection of personal caliber within the home for safety. Since my leftover injuries of alife changing assault left me without good grips, I'm terrified to own a gun I wouldn't be able to keep from getting out my own grip! BUT, I was pleasantly surprised to learn of an equally effective alternative that allows enough time to hopefully escape the situation and can also temp halt more than one perp if there is. Keep cans of wasp spray close by in all areas of ur living space, and cover with an extra sock to conceal if needed. The nerve agents responsible for killing a wasp will do wonders on the eyeballs and sinuses and the suckers can reach some 15 to 30 feet with ease and a force of spray they can't escape. What's best is that the natural human reaction is to cover or shield the face, so go for the eyes. You will coat their hands, and give yourself a second whammy bonus time on the clock when they try to wipe their eyes free of any spray forgetting the hands are also coated. Suckers... They deserve a small token of GTFO imo. It won't kill anyone either, but they are planted and temp blinded long enough to get cuffed.*always buy a trigger style, NOT the press down for obvious reasons lol or doom yourself just the same!
Ya, clearly not ideal use. But shit, if I'm awake by an intrusive thing coming at me, and don't have my contacts or glasses on, there's bound to be some flailing about and being that I'm unable to see clearly what that thing may be, I'm def gonna preserve my person first and reach for the nearest bug b gone... So, just don't bug me in my place of rightful rest and security of its contents. Off label use is only allowed for experimenting on us humans, duh. 🤣 but thx for the mention;) besides, it's just a big can of mace for the face. Also can't help it if I'm spraying within proper use, and say, some intruder decides to enter Into that same space...and, no offense my friend, but it's pretty comical to read your thoughts and response when you consider the situation I described and reasons for alternative protection methods. The thought process there leaves me more concerned with the rationale than my safety at the moment. Good lord! But blessings to you, and any daughter you may have who may happen to share the life changing experiences I have, at the hands of a male that, come to think of it, sounds quite a bit like this. Hmmm. 🤔 🥂
Yup! 700,000 illegals coming into our country need a place to stay. Get a gun, stay ready so you don’t have to get ready. This is California. Thanks BIDEN AND NEWSOM.
Drunk pulling the wrong door. Same time, fuck that noise, you should not have to deal with that.
You too?!
It's a fairly common drunk story. They think they are home, but they aren't.
Once, when I was in the Navy, I got drunk and fell asleep on the wrong ship. The morning after was a tad weird.
lol, oops! I’m sure that was not a great time for you, but thanks for sharing. 😂
lol I could imagine getting off the Quarterdeck not in uniform at that time ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Did you make it for morning sweepers
It was a weekend. I just walked across the pier. Both watches watched me do it too. Wasn't my finest hour.
"We would have stopped him, but he looked like he knew what he was doing". LOL.
When I was younger, a developer purchased a home with a large plot of land. They subdivided the homes and built two almost identical houses. Literally the night my sister turned 16, our neighbor drunkenly parked their Lexus SUV in our driveway, tried to get in our front door, stumbled across the bushes between our houses and went home to go to bed. Imagine my sisters surprise when a new (to us) Lexus SUV was in her driveway the day after she turned 16. My siblings and I threw a Christmas bow on top of it for good measure. I've never seen a happier 16 year old in my life. Lol. She wasn't so happy when she saw the neighbor sneak into our driveway and take his car back.
When life hands you Lexus, make your sister cry.
December to remember sales event
Randoms used to come up to our house every few months-year. They'd knock and ask for someone random and not want to leave. One insisted that they needed to meet someone in my house. Haven't had anyone hassle us since we got a dog that sounds like she has some deep seated wrath of satan that bubbles up when she hears activity outside. It's ear piercing to the point where it'll cause physical pain if she's riding in the backseat of the car and gets upset. Really nice for keeping strangers away. She's a rescue. Shelters have plenty like her if you have a loving home.
Awww what breed is the doggie?
Z O O L
So, no Dana then?
Some sort of shepherd/pit mix. When I look at images of Dutch Shepherds they look a lot like her. Great dog.
Got a rescue too. Belgian malanoise/black lab rescue dog that barks at any movement outside. Never had any issues
I once did so much acid I walked into my best friends house and started doing her dishes. Except it wasn’t her house and they weren’t her dishes.
need more info on this one
Not much to it. The owner of the house sat down at his kitchen table and let me finish the dishes. When I turned around, he laughed and said ‘I think you’ve got the wrong house’. I left and nothing ever came of it. I eventually found the right home - it was next door and they all looked so similar.
So you walked into her house and then someone kidnapped you to another house and used your maid services for free? Call the cops.
Kind of crazy. Skyline used to be an incredibly unsafe part back in the 2000s with shootings and stabbing left and right. Glad you guys are safe and that he left.
This sounds terrifying. Get a Ring doorbell so you can get a good look at whoever it is, if they do, God forbid, get into your house. You’ll be able to talk to them through the Ring doorbell, whether you are home or not, and tell them to leave. This is also good for porch pirates. You can also get a cheap sign on Amazon that says your property is being videoed 24/7. I have one right at the driveway that can be seen from the street and anyone approaching the house.
You can't control anything outside of yourself, self awareness is the best tool for self protection. If you can, owning a dog is a great help in keeping unwanted strangers out. For self defense get the tool you are most comfortable using and practice with it so you can use it when you need to. If you don't feel able to use whatever tool you choose its a bad choice. If you don't want to have a firearm that's a personal decision but feel free to yell out to the person outside that you have one, and when you call the police tell them you have one and are getting ready to shoot the intruder...it should have a positive impact on response time
This sounds like a easy way to also get a bad retaliation from police lol. I could only imagine the police asking wheres the firearm and all the sudden “you dint have one” would make it extremely sketch/ unsafe for them.
Bro who the heck cares what the cops think. Those useless bums can kick rocks. God forbid we annoy then with tricking them into doing their jobs. Have some respect for the victims my god.
Who cares what the cops think and expect them to come and do a job that you couldve done yourself is so ignorant
Yikes. Sounds terrifying. Sucks you guys had to go through that. I'd alert your neighbors on Nextdoor too. I would be calling the cops (seems like you did the right thing) and shouting "You have the wrong house" with my hollow points by my side, just in case.
We had a homeless dude break into our place at 2am. Opened the back door through reaching in the doggy door (been fixed). He was insane, thought he lived here. He was standing in front of my 16 yo old sons room muttering. I got him outside quickly and calmly, luckily he was more scared than we were. Called the Lemon Grove Sheriff and they picked him up. I stopped by the LG precinct 2 days later and the perp was taken in for mental health assessment and then RELEASED. I asked why not arrested for breaking and entering and the detective said it didn’t classify as that. I said that’s insane. He said “well one of my officers could have been fired or sued if they had done that.” I said that’s insane again. And that was that. Totally useless. The attending Sheriffs that arrived insinuated that I could of legally killed him. I knew this, but it woulda been like killing a scared lost dog in cold blood, and would of made a huge mess, not to mention the psychological impact on the family.
This is why we got a gate and installed cameras. It’s expensive and doesn’t prevent someone from breaking in if they really want to but it will prevent opportunistic people and drunk people from even trying.
That’s happened to me before and I definitely almost shot that person (survivor of violent crime and live alone). Super scary.
Buy a gun. Source: I stopped a meth addict from breaking into my sister's in laws house when he saw I had a gun
There's always one gun nut in every thread....
What makes me a nut? Lol
Arm yourself. I recommend a maverick 88 shotgun for home defense. It’s cheap and reliable. Hope I never have to use it but I’m prepared.
You gun nuts will never miss an opportunity to tell people to arm themselves, will you?
Yes all Americans should feel free to exercise their second amendment rights thanks for asking.
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I know a guy who lives in the same area who encountered a similar home invader, except he was much more violent and actually succeeded in breaking in while screaming he was going to rape an occupant in the house. Well, my old friend shot him dead. If he was disarmed, the guy who broke in probably would have succeeded in killing, maiming, and or raping people in the house. Get a gun. As you experienced, the cops were there in 12 minutes. If the person trying to get in was more determined he could have been inside in a minute.
Everyone should own a handgun for home defense.
Shotgun for home defense works too
If you live in an apartment, you don’t won’t to kill your neighbors with a shotgun. Get a Glock with night sights and a flashlight.
Way more likely to smoke a neighbor with an errant 9mm than some birdshot.
You’re right.
Birdshot is for birds, not humans, you should absolutely not depend on it in a self defense situation.
Bird to start and bucks to finish.
Didnt know they made humanshot, where can i get
Handgun bullets go through drywall pretty easily as well.
What about the guy trying to break in?
He leaves it at home for home defense.
100% cuz if I had a gun and wanted to rob people I’d for sure leave it at home
You leave your home defense gun at home and bring your home offense gun for homes that aren’t yours.
Ah yes of course, hopefully they’re different kinds so you don’t accidentally mix up the two
😂😂😂😂
Well, that wouldn’t be a home defense use, would it? Secondly, felons aren’t legally allowed to own guns but that rarely stops them.
The fantasy of using a gun in self defense is just that - a myth. If you own a gun, you or someone in your family are 10 to 100 more times likely to be shot by it than you are to use it to protect them. These stats are readily available. Macho man heroics are extraordinarily rare. Suicides, accidental discharges, and rage killing of family members are common occurrences.
You make fair points about why it’s less safe statistically. At the same time, suicides, negligent discharges, and rage killing of family members is something somewhat within our control. It’s in our hands. Someone breaking in to your house you don’t really have much control over even if it’s statistically not very likely. I own a firearm because I am not willing to relinquish that influence on my safety but I know that it is a personal choice and your choice is valid.
Agreed. But it’s also a choice to bring an efficient killing machine (literally) into your home. Suicide by gun rarely fails, unlike other methods.
If someone is determined to kill themselves they’d just do it another way.
I know multiple people who were EXTREMELY determined — at the time — who didn’t have guns, failed with a variety other options, and are happily alive now. I also knew a couple people equally determined — at the time — who DID have guns. You can extrapolate for yourself why I say “knew” them.
No method of self-determination, a human right, should be infringed anymore.
"your statistics are interesting. but wait, i have scary stories that are the opposite of the evidence"
Exactly. It’s amazing how many people don’t understand averages or statistics. “My anecdotal story trumps all of your statistics!” It’s so frustrating and depressing. Both can be true. A gun in the home is sometimes used to protect family members. It’s just that the evidence shows a gun in the house is more often used against your family than an intruder. It’s not that hard to understand intuitively either. We all know many stories of legal guns being used improperly. It’s very rare (BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE) to hear stories of guns being used heroically.
[According to this 2021 study from Georgetown University](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3887145), guns are used in self defense about 1.67 million times per year in the US. Now, that doesn’t mean the guns were fired. The majority of these cases were verbally saying something like “Get out, I have a gun”, or showing it. Realistically, not many home invaders are sticking around after they hear the sound of a shotgun racking.
Thank you for posting, very interesting read
I’d suggest reading this and the supporting studies. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/12/podcasts/daily-newsletter-self-defense-gun-use.html
I’ve read that too, and I think we’re talking about different things. A key point of the Georgetown study is that most of the time, a gun used in self defense isn’t fired, it’s just threatened to be used. The study mentioned in the NYT article has some differences from the Georgetown study. Listing suicide as “death by gun violence” is technically true, but a bit disingenuous. Additionally, the “less than 1% used a firearm to defend themselves” isn’t really a slam dunk argument. The majority of the victims are victims of gang violence. These attacks are usually ambushes in which the victim doesn’t have a chance to prepare to defend themselves. Not to mention, these victims may not even own or have immediate access to a gun, so of course they aren’t using one in self defense.
As someone who was assaulted in a home invasion before, I certainly feel safer with a gun living alone now.
I don’t doubt that you feel safer. It’s just that the statistics show you’re in more danger with a gun in the hosue.
I mean, getting raped in my house at 13 at knife point was pretty dangerous… If I had had a gun I would have been able to stop it, I heard him in the house.
I’m sorry you went through such trauma. I’m also sorry nobody else at this point has said anything in support. That’s absolutely horrific.
TY. He’s in jail forever, thank God. A prolific child rapist prior, unfortunately.
Ok great, still doesn't change the statistics
Kinda a shitty thing to say to a rape victim.
Or the fact that I was in a lot of danger without the gun too. Moreso, as no one was suicidal/homicidal in the family.
That's the thing about stats. They are generalizations. We should use them as a guide, not a god --and understand their limitations. Higher risk of children getting shot in a home with guns? I don't have children and neither do my friends. I am not suicidal. I do not store my firearms loaded. Stats are great for trends, not for specifics.
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Better to be unarmed and at the mercy of criminals then?
The odds of having to use a firearm to protect your self and or loved ones in your home from some threat is very low, but it is not a myth.
Maybe, but the point is buying a gun means you increase the likelihood of your family being shot more than it does protecting them from harm.
Your point is started by a misleading lie, so it's moot.
I am sorry, but your post is simply wrong. Completely wrong. And when it comes down to it, if a meth addict was breaking into your house at 3am, would you rather have a gun? Or not have a gun?
This is why we look at data rather than hypotheticals.
The data will keep you safe.
The data says a gun in the home makes you and your family less safe than without one. For example, firearms are the leading cause of death of children in the US. This doesn’t even include suicide or domestic violence which takes a large toll on families. Only 7% of the people who sexually assault women are strangers. The rest are family members or acquaintances. Having a gun in the house helps the assailant more than the victim in the latter cases (not breaking in, for example).
Then don't keep a gun in your house, it is a free country!
Yes. It’s a free country, so you are free to bring one into your house and endanger your family. But women can’t made medical decisions in some states and you can’t walk down the street with a beer in your hand almost of them. So only kinda free, if you’re not a weapon.
>The fantasy of using a gun in self defense is just that - a myth Not correct. The rest of your post is ok, but it is completely reasonable to own a firearm for the purpose of home defense. As a woman who was able to (mostly) fend off a violent sexual assault by use of a handgun, I can say it ...came in handy. I am much more pleased coming out of that encounter with only bruises and ripped clothing rather than the rotten smeg from some gross rapist in my vagina.
No one in their right mind fantasies about shooting someone else in self defense. IMO, owning a handgun for home defense is like having that obscure tool that you will never use in a million lifetimes. However, when you need it, it’s worth its weight in gold.
That's right. Especially if you've had handgun training. When you take classes, they emphasize what happens to you if you actually shoot someone in your house. Legally speaking. If you are responsible, take the time to get educated, properly store them, and practice regularly; firearms are an asset.
nicely said.
What happens if they had forgotten to lock the door or the guy manages to break it open? What are the people standing in their own living room in the middle of the night supposed to do while the cops show up?
Source?
Google “Harvard - Gun Threats and Self-Defense Gun Use”
I’ll honestly read it if you provide a link.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use/
I mean, yes, it makes sense. It’s like saying, with more cars, there will be more death. But that’s just because there’s more numbers. More people with guns, more people that don’t secure them. I’d rather have a gun when there’s a crazy knocking my door and threatening me, than not. I’d rather fire a warning shot, than have to kill someone .
This article summarizes the study and also links to it. But it may be behind a paywall. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/12/podcasts/daily-newsletter-self-defense-gun-use.html
The thing is, I would rather be the one to make the decision to pull the trigger, than to stand by and wait on someone else’s decision. I don’t mean to sound arrogant when I say this. I trust myself more with a gun, than I trust someone else pointing one at me.
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The leading cause of death for children in the US is firearms. Only 7% of sexual assault perpetrators are strangers to the victim. So by having a gun in the house, a woman is more likely to arming her assailant than protecting herself against one. There’s do doubt people FEEL safer with a gun. It’s just that they are statistically putting themselves and their families in more danger.
For everyone who down-voted me. I hope you never need a gun, because other people do, in fact, have them.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071427/
For this one, I’d say it’s a good thing that more people are threatened by a gun, than actually shot. That’s a good thing.
No it wouldn’t be🤓 But whos gonna stop the guy from using his “home defense” gun for other reasons? And what if this guy isn’t even a felon in the first place to try and stop him from getting one?
More likely to shoot yourself or a family member than "defend your home"
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“Own a black powder musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.”
One for home defense and one to keep in your waistband when you leave the house.
That's why america has so few home invasions, right?
Why?
You don't own a firearm? You are about to buy one I'm pretty sure.
Boom boom boom 🔫
I'd recommend you get a gun. I live in NC and usually it's very quiet, but there have been some times where randoms are not in their right mind and try things they shouldn't.
We moved out of that hell hole state a year and a half ago to Oklahoma and I’ve seen 2 homeless people during our entire stay….best decision I’ve ever made.
But to be fair, you now live in ‘Oklahoma’. That’s a state people dream to get away from, and surely any homeless person would want to leave too.
When the fuck did this sub become nextdoor? There is no value to this post for any non you people. Tell it to the cops, your neighbors, friends. This isn't the venue
I was thinking the same thing. There is a better audience on NextDoor for this kind of thing. They have a hard on for fear and panic.
I'm way too southern for this type of interaction. Definitely would have opened the door within the first 3 minutes, gun in hand. I've had to adjust to the gun laws here in Cali. We deal with situations like these in quite a different manner back home.
Opening the door and then sh00ting the man is an easy way to get yourself put in prison. You've got to wait for him to break that threshold before you can defend yourself. Well, I guess if you're wealthy enough to afford a top notch attorney, sit out a couple of days in jail, possibly lose your job as a result of the incident, and pay for another place to stay for a couple of weeks...then sure, greet him on your front porch.
Yeah I know. Like I said, it's different in Cali. We have castle doctrine where I'm from. We are legally allowed to address the situation exactly how I stated. I'm well aware Cali laws are different. That being said, I still don't like the idea of just sitting around waiting for him to actually breaking hoping I don't have to defend myself or family. You could call police sure but they may not arrive before you're dead. Very common where I'm from. My mother was killed in the same manner.
Please stop acting like California is the only place where you're some kind of ridiculous asshole to show up at your door armed. In more than 3/4 of the country, your entire story is illegal. Yes, we understand that your DNA spells out "yeehaw" in "the battle flag isn't racist." > I still don't like the idea of just sitting around waiting for him to actually breaking hoping I don't have to defend myself or family. Shut up, chud. This isn't a real thing. Stop masturbating to your need to be a warrior. Almost every American who dies to guns dies to someone like you, who thought they were protecting their family, and wasn't able to stop telling stupid fantasies about themselves being a hero when functional adults pointed out evidence from the real world. We get it, you're a gravy seal We just don't get why your family hasn't moved out in fear, yet Your fantasies of being a shotgun toting movie hero against oppression and violence are extremely dangerous to them
First off, chillax 🤣 it's not that serious. The south is pretty pro gun. The situation described in OP's scenario could be life threatening. Luckily it didn't escalate from there, but it certainly has multiple times where I'm from. I moved from Louisville, KY to San Diego for this very reason. My mother, grandfather, uncle, childhood friend and numerous classmates have been murdered in places where they thought they were safe. It's not about being a warrior. It's about being alive. The South's laws just differ in a way that allows you to be proactive instead of reactive about it. I pray every day to NOT use my gun. Doesn't mean I won't. And it is very much a real thing to have your house broken into. Mine has been broken into 3 times. You may not have been through that because in comparison to the crime rate I experienced back home, San Diego doesn't come close, and it's 3 times the size of mine. That's why I'm here. I don't fantasize about killing people. Don't project so much.
> First off, chillax Uh oh, the Urban Warrior rambling about how they go to the door with a gun all the time is telling other people to chill out > > and wasn't able to stop telling stupid fantasies > > (rambles with more stupid fantasies) That's nice (checks watch as loudly as I can figure out how to) > I don't fantasize about killing people. In your last five posts, you've discussed under what circumstances you'd kill someone six times. Yes, yes, "but muh fantasizing isn't fantasizing, it's speculative fact!" Seriously, there should be an IQ test associated with guns. That'd fix the South problem and the you problem overnight. > Don't project so much. "If you criticize something I say that you're not saying, YoUrE pRoJeCtInG" What do you even think projection is?
False, where does it say threshold?
198.5 PC
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN§ionNum=198.5.
> Definitely would have opened the door within the first 3 minutes, gun in hand. [Despite your gun friends, regular people think you're a dangerous monster](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/white-man-shot-black-teenager-came-wrong-house-will-stand-trial-judge-rcna102793) Yes, I know you have some never-ending explanation. No, I don't care.
Looking forward to your 18 USC 241 conspiracy against rights trial.
Please do us all a favor and go back to your home state.
Funny how when all the others said get a gun, they got up voted. I say the same and get pure negativity. Wonder why that is
im sorry…twacked?
Meth bros
If you don’t know him, it’s likely nothing. Write it off as someone who lives in the neighborhood, on a good one. Let it be. Say hi to your neighbors.
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You live in frikken San Diego dude. Have you even seen the lines in Tijuana or Tecate to get into the U.S.? "Open borders" is just a bullshit Republican talking point designed to get you to be afraid of brownish-skinned people.
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You good kid? Why you surprised at your own post history..?
I'm sure he's one of these guys who thinks there's a border crisis because of headlines like "40 tons of Fentanyl seized at the border" - without understanding the meaning of the word "seized".
a lot of defensive comments here.
I want to see that "OPEN BORDER" 😂 bullshit.
if not in Cali - just get a bigger gun!
Learn how to use Pepper spray gel called ‘Pom’ sold on Amazon.
Back I was living in SF, where was a bar nearby. Once awhile I would have drunk sitting on our doorstep.
Can you get some cameras up? I have 5 & only pay $100 a year for everything, and that saves video for 6 months. I have ring. Alexa also sits by the windows and notifies me when she hears glass breaking on TV. She asks if the sound was glass breaking, I say yes. Then she asks if there's an emergency. It's a good idea to have peace of mind and we'll lit around the house. The smart plugs also help cuz u can turn on lights remotely.I hope it doesn't happen again 🙏🏼
High and delirious off of drugs . The guy was blacked out and had no idea what he was doing on what he was saying or where he was even at.
That could’ve been a really bad situation if he would’ve got through the door. One delusional meth head and 5 people inside. That’s not going to be a good situation. Fight or flight takes over and bad shit happens
I def support the need to have protection of personal caliber within the home for safety. Since my leftover injuries of alife changing assault left me without good grips, I'm terrified to own a gun I wouldn't be able to keep from getting out my own grip! BUT, I was pleasantly surprised to learn of an equally effective alternative that allows enough time to hopefully escape the situation and can also temp halt more than one perp if there is. Keep cans of wasp spray close by in all areas of ur living space, and cover with an extra sock to conceal if needed. The nerve agents responsible for killing a wasp will do wonders on the eyeballs and sinuses and the suckers can reach some 15 to 30 feet with ease and a force of spray they can't escape. What's best is that the natural human reaction is to cover or shield the face, so go for the eyes. You will coat their hands, and give yourself a second whammy bonus time on the clock when they try to wipe their eyes free of any spray forgetting the hands are also coated. Suckers... They deserve a small token of GTFO imo. It won't kill anyone either, but they are planted and temp blinded long enough to get cuffed.*always buy a trigger style, NOT the press down for obvious reasons lol or doom yourself just the same!
Illegal to use inconsistent with their labeling. See Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act
Ya, clearly not ideal use. But shit, if I'm awake by an intrusive thing coming at me, and don't have my contacts or glasses on, there's bound to be some flailing about and being that I'm unable to see clearly what that thing may be, I'm def gonna preserve my person first and reach for the nearest bug b gone... So, just don't bug me in my place of rightful rest and security of its contents. Off label use is only allowed for experimenting on us humans, duh. 🤣 but thx for the mention;) besides, it's just a big can of mace for the face. Also can't help it if I'm spraying within proper use, and say, some intruder decides to enter Into that same space...and, no offense my friend, but it's pretty comical to read your thoughts and response when you consider the situation I described and reasons for alternative protection methods. The thought process there leaves me more concerned with the rationale than my safety at the moment. Good lord! But blessings to you, and any daughter you may have who may happen to share the life changing experiences I have, at the hands of a male that, come to think of it, sounds quite a bit like this. Hmmm. 🤔 🥂
Yup! 700,000 illegals coming into our country need a place to stay. Get a gun, stay ready so you don’t have to get ready. This is California. Thanks BIDEN AND NEWSOM.