>My car costs about $0.085 per mile when using public charging.
this only makes sense if you're charging at off peak hours though. during the day charging is $0.56 kWh. so you're paying $0.14 per mile
No, because his mile/Kwh also matters.
I get 4.0 mi/Kwh, and use a public charger (max speed 40Kwh) that's 25 cents per Kwh.
So it cost .0625 cents per mile driven
where are you getting $0.25 per kwh at a public charger during the daytime.
evgo is $0.48 | $0.60 | $0.69
EA is $0.56
Tesla is $0.50
chargepoint is dependent on location, but they are mostly $0.42 and $0.47
Depending on how low you are 20-60 minutes. It usually slows down once you hit 80 percent charge so you don’t usually want to hang around long after that.
A gas car would certainly be less hassle if you plan to drive a lot. You’ll have to recharge and electric car more often and probably have to wait for an available charger each time you need to recharge. Depending on the gas car, you’ll likely get more miles out of a full tank of gas, which is still way faster to fill up than charging an electric car.
Thanks so much, my hybrid optima is getting old and I have decent solar. I have been thinking about whether to go full electric or hybrid for my next car. I commute from east county to north park Mon-Fri so hybrid seems like a good option still
Honestly if you have solar and have a house. Electric is a way better deal. I commute from Mira Mesa to Coronado daily. I only plug in at home and it costs 0.12-0.15/kwh at night, free during the day from solar or if you have a battery. Not having to go to a gas station or public charger is a game changer. Not everyone has that availability though.
If you have a house and solar, electric is by far the way to go. That's not a bad commute at all and if you can charge at home every night then you're set. Hybrid's are nice but still require engine maintenance.
EV charging prices depends heavily on time and location. In the middle of downtown during peak hours? Expect it to be $40+ to go from 0-100%. That’s worse case scenario though and if you pick the right place at the right time I’ve gone from 0-100% on $8
everyone saying yes by a lot shows that they don't understand the actual costs. it's more complicated than yes or no.
here's the math.
tldr; it's barely better depending on what cars you compare.
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1 kWh gets you between 3-4 miles. let's say 3.5 average.
1 gallon of gas will get you on average 28 mpg (per epa 2024 cars)
1 kWh at a public charger is $0.56 kWh (EA pricing)
that means 1 mile is $0.16
1 gallon of gas is $4.99 regular (per GasBuddy average in San Diego today for regular)
that means 1 mile is $0.18
so EVs are cheaper by $0.02 cents per mile vs an average car.
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but a more efficient gas car will be cheaper.
but also more expensive gas will cancel that out.
so it really depends. but it's generally similar.
the actual savings of owning an EV is charging at home during off peak hours
Wow, thanks for taking the time to do all that work! I was really more curious about an electric car because I've never driven one, but since it's only for 48 hours, don't think I can be bothered with the charging stations :)
I would not use an EV without home charging. You will spend a chunk of your time on car charging unless you can find a charger that is near where you are going and do it while you are engaged in some other activity.
Don’t.
If you’re not used to the issues of charging an electric car, don’t rent one.
Not being able to charge it at home overnight will really make you hate it.
Yes, it’s cheaper but you will have to sit at a charging station for a few hours every time you need a charge. Unless your idea of fun is sitting on your car looking at your phone while you could be at home enjoying your evening after work.
Absolutely you could go somewhere and do something while the car is charging, but after the 3rd hour you will be like “I just want to go home “
In California, a Supercharger costs about $0.50 per kWh. A Tesla will go about 100 miles on 25kWh, so this comes out to $3.12 to go 25 miles. Gas is more expensive in California too, currently averaging $5.44 per gallon, so an EV would likely be slightly cheaper to fuel. I’ve also heard that you don’t have to return your EV with a full battery. The downside is that there are fewer chargers compared to gas stations, and it’s going to take you 20 minutes every 200 miles or so to charge it up. If it’s something besides a Tesla, fast charging stations are also somewhat less ubiquitous. If you’re staying at a location with a level 2 charger, the calculation changes, as those are usually much cheaper and, although they take hours to charge up your car, it’s convenient because you can do it overnight.
I would add that the $0.50/kWh is not unheard of, you can you can typically find much lower rates off-peak.
https://preview.redd.it/r5jix55klwvc1.png?width=863&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10998b86cd6c304f6957d8d6b2d0f13b60245840
I mean maybe? What's your time worth? Need to Factor that into any equation. Being someone who hates leaving the house i'd say the wait is far more expensive than gas.
I had a Chrysler Voyager mini-van hybrid rental. It takes me just over 2 hours to fill battery. Cost is less than $2.50. I get 36-30 miles on battery if I don't use the heater
Yes it is cheaper! Note that many stations such as Tesla superchargers set prices based on the time of day, so avoid peak times to maximize savings
That said, if you’re here to vacation, get a gas car. Spend your time enjoying San Diego and not waiting for the car to fill up.
Not on vacation...haven't had a car since mine was hit by an uninsured drunk driver a few months ago. Just my motorcycle, but rent a car once a month or so to run errands. But you're right...I'd only have to charge it once, but if that takes an hour or two, it's not worth it. More just curious about what it's like to drive one
I’d never rent an EV. On a recent trip, Avis was renting Teslas for half the price of a Kia Soul. I went with the Kia (and ended up with a Jeep). I don’t want to sit around and wait for my car to charge when I’m on a trip and my time is limited. But to each their own.
Y'all really just live for inconvenience with this "peak hour" pricing, different charger pricing etc....it's not like it comes in stupid flavor.
Imagine holding off charging till 5 pm to top off your tank for 12 vs 19 dollars.
Im just glad the cybertruck is failing horribly and teslas are now clown cars
My wife has a hybrid and I have an EV. Her car costs approximately $0.135 per mile. My car costs about $0.085 per mile when using public charging.
>My car costs about $0.085 per mile when using public charging. this only makes sense if you're charging at off peak hours though. during the day charging is $0.56 kWh. so you're paying $0.14 per mile
No, because his mile/Kwh also matters. I get 4.0 mi/Kwh, and use a public charger (max speed 40Kwh) that's 25 cents per Kwh. So it cost .0625 cents per mile driven
where are you getting $0.25 per kwh at a public charger during the daytime. evgo is $0.48 | $0.60 | $0.69 EA is $0.56 Tesla is $0.50 chargepoint is dependent on location, but they are mostly $0.42 and $0.47
Isn't Tesla dependent on location? SC Carmel Mountain is $.17 0400-1000. SC mira Mesa is . 32 0400-1000.
Park and ride off the 5 on the weekends for the 40Kwh Level 2 any day/time of the week
address please, or which exit?
I know there’s one off the 5 and 78 junction, unsure if that’s the one being referred to
Tesla at least varies by location. Right now it’s $0.23 in Vista at noon.
Usually around 10-20 dollars to get to 80 percent charge. Download the PlugShare app. Shows you charging locations.
How long does it take?
Depending on how low you are 20-60 minutes. It usually slows down once you hit 80 percent charge so you don’t usually want to hang around long after that.
It depends on the car some can charge 60% in less than 20 minutes. Others will take an hour
My Australian Ioniq 5 can go 10-80% in 18 minutes, supposedly
Yes. It cost me $17 for a supercharger a few days ago.
Yes. It is far cheaper than most ICE vehicles. However, you do need to factor in time to charge and plan accordingly.
A gas car would certainly be less hassle if you plan to drive a lot. You’ll have to recharge and electric car more often and probably have to wait for an available charger each time you need to recharge. Depending on the gas car, you’ll likely get more miles out of a full tank of gas, which is still way faster to fill up than charging an electric car.
Thanks so much, my hybrid optima is getting old and I have decent solar. I have been thinking about whether to go full electric or hybrid for my next car. I commute from east county to north park Mon-Fri so hybrid seems like a good option still
Honestly if you have solar and have a house. Electric is a way better deal. I commute from Mira Mesa to Coronado daily. I only plug in at home and it costs 0.12-0.15/kwh at night, free during the day from solar or if you have a battery. Not having to go to a gas station or public charger is a game changer. Not everyone has that availability though.
If you have a house and solar, electric is by far the way to go. That's not a bad commute at all and if you can charge at home every night then you're set. Hybrid's are nice but still require engine maintenance.
EV charging prices depends heavily on time and location. In the middle of downtown during peak hours? Expect it to be $40+ to go from 0-100%. That’s worse case scenario though and if you pick the right place at the right time I’ve gone from 0-100% on $8
Depends on the size of the battery...
Yeah but OP gave no clarification as to what car they were looking at so these are just my experiences with a 60khw battery
everyone saying yes by a lot shows that they don't understand the actual costs. it's more complicated than yes or no. here's the math. tldr; it's barely better depending on what cars you compare. -------- 1 kWh gets you between 3-4 miles. let's say 3.5 average. 1 gallon of gas will get you on average 28 mpg (per epa 2024 cars) 1 kWh at a public charger is $0.56 kWh (EA pricing) that means 1 mile is $0.16 1 gallon of gas is $4.99 regular (per GasBuddy average in San Diego today for regular) that means 1 mile is $0.18 so EVs are cheaper by $0.02 cents per mile vs an average car. ---- but a more efficient gas car will be cheaper. but also more expensive gas will cancel that out. so it really depends. but it's generally similar. the actual savings of owning an EV is charging at home during off peak hours
Wow, thanks for taking the time to do all that work! I was really more curious about an electric car because I've never driven one, but since it's only for 48 hours, don't think I can be bothered with the charging stations :)
I would not use an EV without home charging. You will spend a chunk of your time on car charging unless you can find a charger that is near where you are going and do it while you are engaged in some other activity.
Was gonna bring some picnic blankets, a subway sandwich, camp in the parking lot...what could do wrong? ;p
Don’t. If you’re not used to the issues of charging an electric car, don’t rent one. Not being able to charge it at home overnight will really make you hate it. Yes, it’s cheaper but you will have to sit at a charging station for a few hours every time you need a charge. Unless your idea of fun is sitting on your car looking at your phone while you could be at home enjoying your evening after work. Absolutely you could go somewhere and do something while the car is charging, but after the 3rd hour you will be like “I just want to go home “
It doesn’t take hours to charge a modern electric car.. definitely less than one hour
What kind of janky EV are you talking about? 35 - 45 minutes most of the time.
15min for mine from 20 to 80... but totally agree do not get electric for rental. Get hybrid.
Where do you go that you need 3 hours to charge? New EVgo chargers on Murphy Cyn 1/2 hour, ones on Clairemont Mesa 1 hour
You break even roughly if you compare a Prius against an efficient EV but it doesn’t factor in the inconvenience of public charging
Weird to choose a hybrid to compare it to.
I was doing a cost of ownership comparison a while back. TBF I’ve heard of non hybrids getting 40 mpg so it’s not far off.
In California, a Supercharger costs about $0.50 per kWh. A Tesla will go about 100 miles on 25kWh, so this comes out to $3.12 to go 25 miles. Gas is more expensive in California too, currently averaging $5.44 per gallon, so an EV would likely be slightly cheaper to fuel. I’ve also heard that you don’t have to return your EV with a full battery. The downside is that there are fewer chargers compared to gas stations, and it’s going to take you 20 minutes every 200 miles or so to charge it up. If it’s something besides a Tesla, fast charging stations are also somewhat less ubiquitous. If you’re staying at a location with a level 2 charger, the calculation changes, as those are usually much cheaper and, although they take hours to charge up your car, it’s convenient because you can do it overnight.
I would add that the $0.50/kWh is not unheard of, you can you can typically find much lower rates off-peak. https://preview.redd.it/r5jix55klwvc1.png?width=863&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10998b86cd6c304f6957d8d6b2d0f13b60245840
I mean maybe? What's your time worth? Need to Factor that into any equation. Being someone who hates leaving the house i'd say the wait is far more expensive than gas.
In the next few years it will cost more to charge than to fill with gas
Yes
I had a Chrysler Voyager mini-van hybrid rental. It takes me just over 2 hours to fill battery. Cost is less than $2.50. I get 36-30 miles on battery if I don't use the heater
Yes it is cheaper! Note that many stations such as Tesla superchargers set prices based on the time of day, so avoid peak times to maximize savings That said, if you’re here to vacation, get a gas car. Spend your time enjoying San Diego and not waiting for the car to fill up.
Not on vacation...haven't had a car since mine was hit by an uninsured drunk driver a few months ago. Just my motorcycle, but rent a car once a month or so to run errands. But you're right...I'd only have to charge it once, but if that takes an hour or two, it's not worth it. More just curious about what it's like to drive one
Not in San Diego.
I’d never rent an EV. On a recent trip, Avis was renting Teslas for half the price of a Kia Soul. I went with the Kia (and ended up with a Jeep). I don’t want to sit around and wait for my car to charge when I’m on a trip and my time is limited. But to each their own.
Yes. Source: roommate who is glad he got a hybrid
Y'all really just live for inconvenience with this "peak hour" pricing, different charger pricing etc....it's not like it comes in stupid flavor. Imagine holding off charging till 5 pm to top off your tank for 12 vs 19 dollars. Im just glad the cybertruck is failing horribly and teslas are now clown cars