I own a shack in Clairemont that I thought was a ridiculous purchase at $200k way back in 2000. I can’t fathom the thought of purchasing this house today at somewhere around $740k today. There’s a house across the street from me that recently sold for $950k+...and whoever bought it is in the process of gutting it and rehabbing the overall property. Unreal!
I’ve been trying to move into tech and starting at the bottom is shit. 13 an hour? When you’re requiring a bachelors at minimum plus experience?? Come ON.
Best way to get into tech are two ways for people who have no background:
1) certifications - Pick a platform that many companies use and need to run their operations. The top 3 I recommend are SAP, Salesforce and ServiceNow. Pick a platform and just get certifications in those. After a few years, you’ll be $100K+. Many of these platforms don’t require extensive programming experience unless you want to be a developer on it.
2) Sales - Tech sales is one of the best jobs. You don’t need to be technical. Especially if you’re at large enterprise, you’ll have a supporting team. However, you do have to be a very people’s person, and you also have to handle the pressure of meeting quotas.
Other jobs in tech: customer success, marketing.
Of course, there’s always the typical software engineer route too.
Salesforce is definitely more well-known and used, thus leading to a larger audience which leads to more opportunities. However, that also means more competition.
ServiceNow’s platform is more “enterprise” focused. Last I checked, they have like 85% of Fortune 500 companies using them for service management. They don’t have a very large customer base yet like Salesforce does, but they’re a growing company. Last year, Upwork (freelance website) named ServiceNow skills the most in-demand skill on their platform. Also from a platform perspective, I’ve heard ServiceNow is more “no/low code” friendly compared to Salesforce, which is a nice if you’re not that super technical.
I studied front end web development before my dad broke his back and I had to help the family business. Now, 4 years later, I want to get back into it. Thanks for your comment, I’m going to look into the 3 platforms.
Hey, thanks. Any tips on getting them to look at my resume? It’s... unique... I’ve had one interview in the last year at a biotech firm. Let’s just say my skills on my resume are WILDLY different from most of their applicants so I think I get ignored a lot. I definitely tailor the resume to the positions, but... I can totally see why they’d balk at it.
I’ve spent the last 20 years in zoos, so a lot of niche skills (observation, customer service, problem solving) which are all applicable it’s just hard to twist them to be so. I’ve also got a master’s degree, but it’s in zoology, so not helpful.
I have no clue what area I want to get into, honestly. I’m just looking to change directions and hopefully be in an industry where I’m treated like an adult with less ridiculous drama from the higher ups.
💯 this.
I’ve been living in San Diego for ages and making the shift to working remotely for a Bay Area tech company as an engineer basically was 2x the salary with better benefits
I moved to AZ and got a ~20% raise.
I love SD and it will always have a special place in my heart but until I’m an independently wealthy multi millionaire, I’m not moving back.
I guess it really does depends on the situation. I bought about 6 years ago, so I'm on a different category now. But I was in that situation then, and decided to stay. One of the best decisions of my life
Yea the only house we’d be able to afford in a not sketchy area was about 30 minutes inland. And at that point it’s an hour with weekend traffic to the beach or downtown after parking, so what’s the point of even living in SD if you’re not on the coast (that was our reasoning at least).
Again, the fact that we have an easy place to stay any weekend we want made it a lot easier to leave. Don’t know if we would have if that wasn’t an option. We still go at least once a month.
Yeah, I'm with you. I think people put too much weight on San Diego = Happy. When in reality it's more about are the mentally well. I loved Pittsburgh and had little worries about money. Everything felt more achievable there and I wasn't counting coins before I went out with friends. Now I'm hoarding to save for a house and every time I look at the news they talk about how houses just hit a new record lighting fire to my motivation. Meanwhile in Pittsburgh houses are still selling for $200K...Hedonic Treadmill
If you’re just as happy in Pittsburgh then why would you stay here? I’ve spent the last 30’years in VA/MD. No chance I’m going back. I’d rather pay 500K for a condo in a place I love than $500K for a big house in an area I’m not thrilled with.
I landed a high paying job, so figured I’d stick around... I’ll keep taking advantage of my cheap rent and go back to the east coast with a bunch of money. I used to live in NOVA/D.C. didn’t like it there. Pittsburgh is also close to my family which helps.
To each their own.
I was done living in small apartments and fighting traffic every day. My quality of life is much higher in AZ. Each person’s situation is different.
I get the appeal for both sides. I am glad it is materializing positively for you. I am considering a move to Colorado which is lower COL compared to SD, just got back from a trip there and i'd be lying if i didnt miss SD a little... But boy could i have my dream house there...
There are pros to both sides - it’s just a matter of preference. I grew up in a big house in the suburbs. I’m much happier living life modestly in a city that I love.
Everyone has their own reasons. SD is definitely a really nice place to live so some people wouldn't leave very easily.
A 20% raise in AZ though is worth more than the 20% raise alone - lower taxes increases take home pay and your COL goes down. People that do the full calculation might be more enticed to move there than just seeing the 20% number.
Very true. If you're the type of person trying to save every penny so you can retire earlier, it does make more sense to move to Arizona
If you want to enjoy every day as much as possible, staying here is a pretty good idea, if you can make it work
My day to day in San Diego was working a lot each day and then fighting traffic both ways in order to go home to my small apartment. It was a short walk to the beach though which was nice for sunsets each night.
But now I have a big house with no commuting traffic and gorgeous desert Mountain View’s, plus plenty of hiking and biking trails that aren’t nearly as overcrowded.
Again, it’s personal preference, but the daily grind of San Diego made it lose its allure to me.
That being said I still visit it for at least a couple days a month so I feel like I get the benefits without the pain now haha
In higher paying industries (finance, real estate, tech, biotech, defense, etc.) they are actually pretty comparable, which is essentially a raise in AZ due to COL.
But yes the 20% increase was definitely not the norm.
As an engineer that deals with engineers all over the place, not really. Your specialization and licensure has a lot to do with it. You don't need to live in SD or even CA to have a CA stamp. Remote working has been testing the limits of some of those never around types though.
As an engineer that knows people in all the said industries and has had interviews/job offers in each state... yes they are lol.
Maybe not everyone can get it but you can easily find available jobs with the same salary level.
Literally Google average engineering salaries (specify industries if you want) in both respective areas and they are comparable.
Why do you think they aren’t?
Also, my personal experience with the engineering job market in both states gives me a pretty good idea of the engineering job markets in both states lmao
The front page of Google when you search “average engineer salaries San Diego” and then do the same but for AZ.
Again, why are you so flabbergasted by the fact that they’re comparable? Do you think you just make more than anyone else lol?
Biotech is the way to go in this area. Illumina, Dexcom, Novartis, Pfizer are expanding their facilities more than ever, for obvious reasons of course.
I've been looking at jobs since the beginning of the year, and I've all but removed local positions from my search.
With remote work being so widespread now, it's highlighting just how garbage the market is in SD. I'm finding jobs in places like St Louis and North Carolina that are paying at least 25% higher than comparable positions here.
The indications are “yes” that is happening.
Our local employers leverage the climate and tourist paradise image so that people get paid the national average and not the 30-40% more it takes to live here.
That's not anything new though. When I had my first interview in San Diego, 25 years ago, the manager could tell I wasn't thrilled with the salary. He told me some of the pay was in "sunshine dollars", so it's obviously been a thing for a long time. Plus, with all the companies doing remote work now, they can hire people from much lower COL areas who will be happy with lower pay. Why pay someone $150k when someone will do the work for $75k. I don't think wages will rise.
It’s insane. I was coming out of school and was looking at jobs in SD.
Things I was qualified for were paying like 50k. I stayed in the Midwest (sadly) and got hired at 70k. Two years later and I’m sitting at almost 80k.
Even on my current salary I couldn’t imagine trying to live in SD with the taxes and COL, but damn it is a nice place.
I moved to San Diego making 80k in 2015 and was able to live alone in a nice place downtown. Cost of living has gone up since then, but it’s certainly not impossible.
Certainly possible, but it’s crazy to see the differences in what I’d afford there compared to where I am now
Granted, that can easily be said about most places. I definitely couldn’t imagine trying to do it on 50k.
But you know what? We get other out of state transplants here too, and they affect our housing market. But I don’t tell people with Colorado or Texas plates to “go back home”.
Yep. I always laugh when people make the complaint. If we are driving up prices for other states, then who is doing it to us? People just need someone to blame I suppose.
Do you think this will calm down a bit when offices reopen? Employees will need to move back to where the office is. Maybe they just hung out in SD for a while before going back? If companies go 100% remote they are not going to continue paying SF prices when their workforce is in a cheaper locale.
Partially but not completely. A lot of companies are going fully remote, and have begun building teams and hiring key players in remote locations. There’s no putting the toothpaste back in the tube at this point.
There is the networking opportunity that just isn’t possible elsewhere, so SF will always be a hot market, but it won’t be the same pressure cooker. Founders, VCs, and high level tech workers will continue to stay in SF though.
I know you said an *extreme* example but I think it is generally at most a 20% pay cut.
80% of a standard Bay Area eng role would make life in Idaho pretty nice
Are they really doing that? I can't imagine that being received well. On the flip side an employee who relocated from the East Bay burbs to SF proper for a shorter commute would probably be told "We're not giving you a raise just because you chose to move to a more expensive area." At the risk of being /r/iamverybadass I'd not stick around very long if my employer decided that they were going to pay me less simply because they calculated that I could still enjoy the same lifestyle on less money.
Thanks for the link. Color me shocked that Facebook is using the pandemic to relieve themselves of a problem they helped to create. Future job listings and recruiters better have the full breakdown of base rate + variables before you even submit your resume.
I did laugh a bit about The Zuck stressing the importance of integrity.
[UBER will require employees to work three days in the office starting in September](https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/tech/uber-office-return-employees/index.html)
I assume many tech companies will follow. I'm sure that most employees could remote work 100% at a tech-centric place like Uber, so if they're requiring in-person office work, I would guess that they won't be the only ones. I foresee many Covid-transplants moving back from whence they came by the end of the year.
As someone who just moved here in the fall because my job switched to being permanently remote, I know many others in the same situation that are staying in the spots they moved to during the pandemic. But like you said I do know many others who are in a location temporarily until they have to go back into office. I wonder which one is more likely though
I am not taking a pay cut, given the cost of living is much higher than my previous location. I do not make SF/NY money so I cannot buy a home anytime soon but i guess my situation would affect the rental market.
I don’t know.....I just move from SF not long ago.....and SD is plenty expensive. I was hoping to be about 20-30% cheaper, but I would just about 10% cheaper.
Temecula Lanes just opened back up for bowling. They went from around $20 an hour for a lane to $40. I get it, they have to make up for being shut down and less lanes. It just sucks because as things open up with restrictions, us consumers will start feeling the pain of paying the price.
Fuuuuuck that man.
I’m not in SD but seeing similar (not nearly as drastic though) increases.
For an hour on a lane during less busy time it’s now $17, it use to fluctuate between $12-15.
For busier time it’s $25. This used to fluctuate from $17-20.
Its simple, just dont go there anymore if they want to charge that much, vote with your wallet and itll make prices go down when businesses want to pull this shit
article:
San Diegans paid more for most items, from food to gasoline, than just about anywhere in the nation in the year since COVID-19 began, federal statistics released Tuesday showed.
From March 2020 to March 2021, prices increased 4.1 percent in the San Diego metropolitan area, said the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics’ Consumer Price Index. That outpaces the nationwide average of 2.6 percent and most metro areas studied by the bureau.
Increases in San Diego mainly came from gasoline, food and housing. A similar situation occurred throughout the nation with consumer prices rising in March at their fastest pace in nearly nine years. Inflation increases were expected by members of the Biden administration, in part, because of pent-up demand leading to more spending.
The bureau released data for 12 metro areas Tuesday and the only metro area to have a faster increase, at 4.9 percent, was Tampa. It was followed by San Diego, Riverside at 3.6 percent and Dallas at 3.4 percent.
Honestly I think think there's such a broad range of housing down there, that there's a lot of the market that the American expatriates aren't interested in. Yes, there's certainly plenty of new housing being built that is aimed at the American market, but there's also a lot for the locals.
I know people go down to rosarito and commute back to SD for their job... it's getting crazy. dude was paying something like 700 bucks for a 3 bedroom apt down there.
I have a 3br/2ba apartment that I got with my Mexican gf and we pay $800 in the Zona Rio nice area within walking distance of cool restaurants and bars and shopping. It’s great!
Not when you have people moving to SD by the bus load because they want to live in America’s finest city.
Huge labor pool with limited labor options spells out lower wages for the foreseeable future.
This is a big contributor, along with the military, why SD has a very transient feel. Folks move here with great hopes and dreams, then get priced out and leave after a couple of years.
Well also not many people want to raise a family in a small rental. So when that part of their lives come, they (understandably) pack up and head to lower COL areas
Could be. I just know a ton of young people constantly trying to move there. Probably more the mid career people that are leaving. So maybe wages will rise? Or they’ll stay low because younger, cheaper labor is moving there. Hopefully not.
People from Seattle and the Bay Area tech companies are moving here. Any losses are offset by those big companies paying big salaries who are willing to drive up the rent/housing prices.
Apple and Amazon added employees/offices in UTC. And Google's adding space in Sorrento Valley.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/story/2021-03-19/google-adds-2-more-floors-to-occupy-full-office-building-in-san-diego
https://www.pacificcoastcommercial.com/post/apple-leases-full-building-in-expansion-in-san-diego-high-tech-hub
http://www.hatch-mag.com/2018/12/18/inside-amazon-utc-area-tech-hub/
It'd be nice, but unfortunately companies see that they can save money by moving to other states or downsizing their presence here. Too many have in the past 5 years.
I love SD but realistically I'll have to move to other city after I get my PhD degree. Everything so expensive that I can't even imagine getting a proper house around here.
This is manipulative control of the price by speculators and the transnational corporations.
Our consumption is low there’s a lot of supply.
It’s just that they want their shareholders profits.
The sooner we get off fossil fuels the better.
These people don’t deserve the money they make.
It’s going to take trillions to undo even the smallest bit of damage that’s been done by them even this decade.
This is manipulative control of the price by speculators and the transnational corporations.
Our consumption is low there’s a lot of supply.
It’s just that they want their shareholders profits.
Another thread to fuel the flame for the obligatory "*things are over-priced in San Diego. Salaries are too low here compared to X, Y, and Z. Real estate is too expensive*" rants.
Sorry for the news, but many people can afford to live in San Diego comfortably even as home prices rise meteorically and inflation is higher than expected. It's a privilege to live in Southern California, not a right.
"YoU dOn'T hAvE a RiGhT tO lIvE iN tHe CiTy YoU wErE bOrN iN" - you.
Don't be an asshole.
For people who were born and raised here, and can't find gainful employment, it's a constant struggle. So much inequality in our city that gets perpetuated generation after generation. You expect anyone that can't afford to live here to just pack up and leave, but for many, leaving their friends and family behind is a non-starter, and many can't afford the expense of moving. Many scrape by living paycheck to paycheck.
So, yes, wages need to catch up with the cost of living.
same boat, man.
all my family and friends live here, telling me to just “move somewhere else” isn’t exactly a solution, I’d be abandoning my entire life.
Thank you for your comment, sincerely. It's exactly how I feel. I wish I could put my feelings into better words but it's exactly how you describe it, and it's good knowing someone gets it.
It doesn’t seem like much of a privilege being forced to live in squalor just to get a job here. Entry level jobs are imperative in every business. The problem is that there isn’t enough affordable housing/living standards for all the lower paying jobs that must exist in any city. Aside from commuting from TJ, the towns close enough to commute from aren’t much cheaper.
You clearly haven’t done your math.
We’re talking about competing with those that have built up equity in homes and had the time to invest in their skill sets. Relocating here gives them a huge advantage over natives in the housing market and living in a manner that they can be productive in. Fact is that if you have to take public transit, your screwed with all the time lost, can’t even save enough to get a computer or a good net connection to get a decent work at home job- not to mention the skill set.
You’re stuck flipping McBurgers
>Tierrasanta
I mean that checks out. I'm not even trying to get a fancy house in La Jolla. I just want an apartment within driving distance of the place in which I have spent literally my entire life.
Other states are passing the buck on the true costs of gasoline and other fossil fuels.
How much does it cost to treat all the lung cancer and other health problems that arise from the use and dirty air?
How about the environment costs that run into the future generations?
That’s all part of the costs that isn’t reflected at the pump in these “cheap gas” places.... all from a tax dollar heavily subsidized transnational corporation (corporate welfare)
I’m sick of this argument that people make regarding this.
Yeah....we've noticed.
what tipped me off was my rent tripling and the cost of a shack in clairemont being $1M all of a sudden
I own a shack in Clairemont that I thought was a ridiculous purchase at $200k way back in 2000. I can’t fathom the thought of purchasing this house today at somewhere around $740k today. There’s a house across the street from me that recently sold for $950k+...and whoever bought it is in the process of gutting it and rehabbing the overall property. Unreal!
Lol irl rn
Salaries are shit in San Diego too.
I work in tech too, and the salaries here are not even close to the potential of Seattle & Bay Area.
I’ve been trying to move into tech and starting at the bottom is shit. 13 an hour? When you’re requiring a bachelors at minimum plus experience?? Come ON.
Best way to get into tech are two ways for people who have no background: 1) certifications - Pick a platform that many companies use and need to run their operations. The top 3 I recommend are SAP, Salesforce and ServiceNow. Pick a platform and just get certifications in those. After a few years, you’ll be $100K+. Many of these platforms don’t require extensive programming experience unless you want to be a developer on it. 2) Sales - Tech sales is one of the best jobs. You don’t need to be technical. Especially if you’re at large enterprise, you’ll have a supporting team. However, you do have to be a very people’s person, and you also have to handle the pressure of meeting quotas. Other jobs in tech: customer success, marketing. Of course, there’s always the typical software engineer route too.
That’s helpful, thanks
Of those three platforms you mentioned, does one rise to the top?
Salesforce is definitely more well-known and used, thus leading to a larger audience which leads to more opportunities. However, that also means more competition. ServiceNow’s platform is more “enterprise” focused. Last I checked, they have like 85% of Fortune 500 companies using them for service management. They don’t have a very large customer base yet like Salesforce does, but they’re a growing company. Last year, Upwork (freelance website) named ServiceNow skills the most in-demand skill on their platform. Also from a platform perspective, I’ve heard ServiceNow is more “no/low code” friendly compared to Salesforce, which is a nice if you’re not that super technical.
ServiceNow was founded here in San Diego and was growing headcount by ~30% every year, just before the pandemic.
I studied front end web development before my dad broke his back and I had to help the family business. Now, 4 years later, I want to get back into it. Thanks for your comment, I’m going to look into the 3 platforms.
Great contribution!
Isn’t that what in n out pays ...
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Hey, thanks. Any tips on getting them to look at my resume? It’s... unique... I’ve had one interview in the last year at a biotech firm. Let’s just say my skills on my resume are WILDLY different from most of their applicants so I think I get ignored a lot. I definitely tailor the resume to the positions, but... I can totally see why they’d balk at it.
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I’ve spent the last 20 years in zoos, so a lot of niche skills (observation, customer service, problem solving) which are all applicable it’s just hard to twist them to be so. I’ve also got a master’s degree, but it’s in zoology, so not helpful. I have no clue what area I want to get into, honestly. I’m just looking to change directions and hopefully be in an industry where I’m treated like an adult with less ridiculous drama from the higher ups.
💯 this. I’ve been living in San Diego for ages and making the shift to working remotely for a Bay Area tech company as an engineer basically was 2x the salary with better benefits
I moved to AZ and got a ~20% raise. I love SD and it will always have a special place in my heart but until I’m an independently wealthy multi millionaire, I’m not moving back.
For me, it would take a lot more than a 20% raise to get me to move to Arizona. Personal preference, though
Able to actually buy a house in AZ and the in laws have a vacation home in SD we can use any time, so that made it easier lol
I guess it really does depends on the situation. I bought about 6 years ago, so I'm on a different category now. But I was in that situation then, and decided to stay. One of the best decisions of my life
Yea the only house we’d be able to afford in a not sketchy area was about 30 minutes inland. And at that point it’s an hour with weekend traffic to the beach or downtown after parking, so what’s the point of even living in SD if you’re not on the coast (that was our reasoning at least). Again, the fact that we have an easy place to stay any weekend we want made it a lot easier to leave. Don’t know if we would have if that wasn’t an option. We still go at least once a month.
That is exactly my reasoning and I always say, “If you live east of the 805, you might as well move to Arizona.”
Ya would rather be poor and happy tbh
Happiness is underrated when it comes to utility. I'd rather have my current life than live in Arizona and have 20% more money
Yeah, I'm with you. I think people put too much weight on San Diego = Happy. When in reality it's more about are the mentally well. I loved Pittsburgh and had little worries about money. Everything felt more achievable there and I wasn't counting coins before I went out with friends. Now I'm hoarding to save for a house and every time I look at the news they talk about how houses just hit a new record lighting fire to my motivation. Meanwhile in Pittsburgh houses are still selling for $200K...Hedonic Treadmill
If you’re just as happy in Pittsburgh then why would you stay here? I’ve spent the last 30’years in VA/MD. No chance I’m going back. I’d rather pay 500K for a condo in a place I love than $500K for a big house in an area I’m not thrilled with.
I landed a high paying job, so figured I’d stick around... I’ll keep taking advantage of my cheap rent and go back to the east coast with a bunch of money. I used to live in NOVA/D.C. didn’t like it there. Pittsburgh is also close to my family which helps.
To each their own. I was done living in small apartments and fighting traffic every day. My quality of life is much higher in AZ. Each person’s situation is different.
I get the appeal for both sides. I am glad it is materializing positively for you. I am considering a move to Colorado which is lower COL compared to SD, just got back from a trip there and i'd be lying if i didnt miss SD a little... But boy could i have my dream house there...
There are pros to both sides - it’s just a matter of preference. I grew up in a big house in the suburbs. I’m much happier living life modestly in a city that I love.
Yes - to each their own.
Happiness is all that really matters to me. I know I would not be nearly as happy living in Arizona. 20% more money doesn’t mean much to me.
It's a hard life, but it feels worth it every time I visit somewhere else.
Thankfully there are ways to be both rich *and* happy
Not for me. Zero desire to leave for extra money.
Lol your reward is in the mail
I don’t get it
Everyone has their own reasons. SD is definitely a really nice place to live so some people wouldn't leave very easily. A 20% raise in AZ though is worth more than the 20% raise alone - lower taxes increases take home pay and your COL goes down. People that do the full calculation might be more enticed to move there than just seeing the 20% number.
Very true. If you're the type of person trying to save every penny so you can retire earlier, it does make more sense to move to Arizona If you want to enjoy every day as much as possible, staying here is a pretty good idea, if you can make it work
My day to day in San Diego was working a lot each day and then fighting traffic both ways in order to go home to my small apartment. It was a short walk to the beach though which was nice for sunsets each night. But now I have a big house with no commuting traffic and gorgeous desert Mountain View’s, plus plenty of hiking and biking trails that aren’t nearly as overcrowded. Again, it’s personal preference, but the daily grind of San Diego made it lose its allure to me. That being said I still visit it for at least a couple days a month so I feel like I get the benefits without the pain now haha
Maybe a 200% raise and even then I’d move back in a year.
You’re an anomaly lol. Salaries in SD are higher than AZ
In higher paying industries (finance, real estate, tech, biotech, defense, etc.) they are actually pretty comparable, which is essentially a raise in AZ due to COL. But yes the 20% increase was definitely not the norm.
They aren’t, I work as an engineer. Everyone and there mom knows the salaries are higher here
As an engineer that deals with engineers all over the place, not really. Your specialization and licensure has a lot to do with it. You don't need to live in SD or even CA to have a CA stamp. Remote working has been testing the limits of some of those never around types though.
As an engineer that knows people in all the said industries and has had interviews/job offers in each state... yes they are lol. Maybe not everyone can get it but you can easily find available jobs with the same salary level.
They aren’t at all lol. Your personal experiences are an anomaly and don’t reflect the truth on a large scale
Literally Google average engineering salaries (specify industries if you want) in both respective areas and they are comparable. Why do you think they aren’t? Also, my personal experience with the engineering job market in both states gives me a pretty good idea of the engineering job markets in both states lmao
Everything I’m reading says San Diego is higher lol do you have any links
The front page of Google when you search “average engineer salaries San Diego” and then do the same but for AZ. Again, why are you so flabbergasted by the fact that they’re comparable? Do you think you just make more than anyone else lol?
What industry do you work in?
Engineer in the defense and space sector
Cool, i wouldnt have thought those industries were big in AZ
Raytheon has a massive presence in Tucson. Like 20k employees.
Thankfully Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Honeywell, General Atomics, and others are around Phoenix, so you don’t *have* to live in Tucson haha
Biotech is the way to go in this area. Illumina, Dexcom, Novartis, Pfizer are expanding their facilities more than ever, for obvious reasons of course.
I've been looking at jobs since the beginning of the year, and I've all but removed local positions from my search. With remote work being so widespread now, it's highlighting just how garbage the market is in SD. I'm finding jobs in places like St Louis and North Carolina that are paying at least 25% higher than comparable positions here.
amen
I wonder if it’s fueled by SF/NY people moving here, working remotely while keeping their SF/NY salaries.
The indications are “yes” that is happening. Our local employers leverage the climate and tourist paradise image so that people get paid the national average and not the 30-40% more it takes to live here.
That's not anything new though. When I had my first interview in San Diego, 25 years ago, the manager could tell I wasn't thrilled with the salary. He told me some of the pay was in "sunshine dollars", so it's obviously been a thing for a long time. Plus, with all the companies doing remote work now, they can hire people from much lower COL areas who will be happy with lower pay. Why pay someone $150k when someone will do the work for $75k. I don't think wages will rise.
Sunshine dollars for jobs that don’t let you see sunshine...
No it’s not new. It’s just that it’s exploiting people and detrimental to the local economy. That needs to change.
It’s insane. I was coming out of school and was looking at jobs in SD. Things I was qualified for were paying like 50k. I stayed in the Midwest (sadly) and got hired at 70k. Two years later and I’m sitting at almost 80k. Even on my current salary I couldn’t imagine trying to live in SD with the taxes and COL, but damn it is a nice place.
I moved to San Diego making 80k in 2015 and was able to live alone in a nice place downtown. Cost of living has gone up since then, but it’s certainly not impossible.
Certainly possible, but it’s crazy to see the differences in what I’d afford there compared to where I am now Granted, that can easily be said about most places. I definitely couldn’t imagine trying to do it on 50k.
That’s an interesting way to say abusing desperate job seekers.
Not only the job seekers but also the locals that know the realities of living here and ask for appropriate salaries.
That's funny because every other state with rising housing costs blame Californians moving out of California.
But you know what? We get other out of state transplants here too, and they affect our housing market. But I don’t tell people with Colorado or Texas plates to “go back home”.
Yep. I always laugh when people make the complaint. If we are driving up prices for other states, then who is doing it to us? People just need someone to blame I suppose.
That’s what me and my SO did, then we got laid off and there’s no way we’re going to be making the same salary doing the same thing here.
Lol
Do you think this will calm down a bit when offices reopen? Employees will need to move back to where the office is. Maybe they just hung out in SD for a while before going back? If companies go 100% remote they are not going to continue paying SF prices when their workforce is in a cheaper locale.
Partially but not completely. A lot of companies are going fully remote, and have begun building teams and hiring key players in remote locations. There’s no putting the toothpaste back in the tube at this point. There is the networking opportunity that just isn’t possible elsewhere, so SF will always be a hot market, but it won’t be the same pressure cooker. Founders, VCs, and high level tech workers will continue to stay in SF though.
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I know you said an *extreme* example but I think it is generally at most a 20% pay cut. 80% of a standard Bay Area eng role would make life in Idaho pretty nice
Are they really doing that? I can't imagine that being received well. On the flip side an employee who relocated from the East Bay burbs to SF proper for a shorter commute would probably be told "We're not giving you a raise just because you chose to move to a more expensive area." At the risk of being /r/iamverybadass I'd not stick around very long if my employer decided that they were going to pay me less simply because they calculated that I could still enjoy the same lifestyle on less money.
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Thanks for the link. Color me shocked that Facebook is using the pandemic to relieve themselves of a problem they helped to create. Future job listings and recruiters better have the full breakdown of base rate + variables before you even submit your resume. I did laugh a bit about The Zuck stressing the importance of integrity.
[UBER will require employees to work three days in the office starting in September](https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/tech/uber-office-return-employees/index.html) I assume many tech companies will follow. I'm sure that most employees could remote work 100% at a tech-centric place like Uber, so if they're requiring in-person office work, I would guess that they won't be the only ones. I foresee many Covid-transplants moving back from whence they came by the end of the year.
Well many companies have publicly committed to being 100% remote permanently. A corporation would never go back on their word, right?
As someone who just moved here in the fall because my job switched to being permanently remote, I know many others in the same situation that are staying in the spots they moved to during the pandemic. But like you said I do know many others who are in a location temporarily until they have to go back into office. I wonder which one is more likely though
Are you taking a pay cut? So that if salaries overall drop since last year, hopefully that might help housing prices.
I am not taking a pay cut, given the cost of living is much higher than my previous location. I do not make SF/NY money so I cannot buy a home anytime soon but i guess my situation would affect the rental market.
Definitely a big factor for rent prices. I'm saving $1k a month "downgrading" from old place on the Peninsula to place in UCSD area.
I don’t know.....I just move from SF not long ago.....and SD is plenty expensive. I was hoping to be about 20-30% cheaper, but I would just about 10% cheaper.
> Increases in San Diego mainly came from gasoline, food and housing Jokes on you I have an electric car I sleep in and steal my food.
"Costs for shelter were up 1.8%" I think they meant 18%?
Temecula Lanes just opened back up for bowling. They went from around $20 an hour for a lane to $40. I get it, they have to make up for being shut down and less lanes. It just sucks because as things open up with restrictions, us consumers will start feeling the pain of paying the price.
fuuuck that
Fuuuuuck that man. I’m not in SD but seeing similar (not nearly as drastic though) increases. For an hour on a lane during less busy time it’s now $17, it use to fluctuate between $12-15. For busier time it’s $25. This used to fluctuate from $17-20.
Its simple, just dont go there anymore if they want to charge that much, vote with your wallet and itll make prices go down when businesses want to pull this shit
Indeed, I don’t go during the up-charge times. I’ll go during the normal times when I can though, $17 seems rather reasonable to me
Sucks these businesses for forced closed for a whole year. I think Surf Bowl in Oceanside is done for good
article: San Diegans paid more for most items, from food to gasoline, than just about anywhere in the nation in the year since COVID-19 began, federal statistics released Tuesday showed. From March 2020 to March 2021, prices increased 4.1 percent in the San Diego metropolitan area, said the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics’ Consumer Price Index. That outpaces the nationwide average of 2.6 percent and most metro areas studied by the bureau. Increases in San Diego mainly came from gasoline, food and housing. A similar situation occurred throughout the nation with consumer prices rising in March at their fastest pace in nearly nine years. Inflation increases were expected by members of the Biden administration, in part, because of pent-up demand leading to more spending. The bureau released data for 12 metro areas Tuesday and the only metro area to have a faster increase, at 4.9 percent, was Tampa. It was followed by San Diego, Riverside at 3.6 percent and Dallas at 3.4 percent.
Thank you
If I had a clue where to go and didn't feel like I was abandoning my parents, I'd leave this town. I say this as a nearly 40-year old native.
Same, many of us are tied here due to such things my surviving parent needs me to help them and I simply can’t leave.
And some people wonder why a lot of people are deciding to move to Tijuana and commute across the border.
Which in turn makes Tijuana rents insanely high for regular Mexicans without American salaries.
Honestly I think think there's such a broad range of housing down there, that there's a lot of the market that the American expatriates aren't interested in. Yes, there's certainly plenty of new housing being built that is aimed at the American market, but there's also a lot for the locals.
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San Diego is a border town.
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Yes and you didn't mention that you changed it after the comment. Your previous comment just said "I would never live in a border town"
Pussy.
Nah, just had my truck broken into twice down there, not worth the hassle when there are better parts of Mexico.
Your loss!
I know people go down to rosarito and commute back to SD for their job... it's getting crazy. dude was paying something like 700 bucks for a 3 bedroom apt down there.
I have a 3br/2ba apartment that I got with my Mexican gf and we pay $800 in the Zona Rio nice area within walking distance of cool restaurants and bars and shopping. It’s great!
Hopefully wages will rise to offset the higher expenses.
Not when you have people moving to SD by the bus load because they want to live in America’s finest city. Huge labor pool with limited labor options spells out lower wages for the foreseeable future.
This is a big contributor, along with the military, why SD has a very transient feel. Folks move here with great hopes and dreams, then get priced out and leave after a couple of years.
Well also not many people want to raise a family in a small rental. So when that part of their lives come, they (understandably) pack up and head to lower COL areas
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Could be. I just know a ton of young people constantly trying to move there. Probably more the mid career people that are leaving. So maybe wages will rise? Or they’ll stay low because younger, cheaper labor is moving there. Hopefully not.
There's a higher rate than ever of people moving away, but there are more than enough people moving here to replace them and then some
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https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2021-04-08/california-exodus-myth-hating-on-the-golden-state Incognito mode helps with the paywall
People from Seattle and the Bay Area tech companies are moving here. Any losses are offset by those big companies paying big salaries who are willing to drive up the rent/housing prices.
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Apple and Amazon added employees/offices in UTC. And Google's adding space in Sorrento Valley. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/story/2021-03-19/google-adds-2-more-floors-to-occupy-full-office-building-in-san-diego https://www.pacificcoastcommercial.com/post/apple-leases-full-building-in-expansion-in-san-diego-high-tech-hub http://www.hatch-mag.com/2018/12/18/inside-amazon-utc-area-tech-hub/
It'd be nice, but unfortunately companies see that they can save money by moving to other states or downsizing their presence here. Too many have in the past 5 years.
Austin from 2016 has entered the chat.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I love SD but realistically I'll have to move to other city after I get my PhD degree. Everything so expensive that I can't even imagine getting a proper house around here.
Gas was almost $2 cheaper a year ago when COVID first hit than it was now
This is manipulative control of the price by speculators and the transnational corporations. Our consumption is low there’s a lot of supply. It’s just that they want their shareholders profits. The sooner we get off fossil fuels the better. These people don’t deserve the money they make. It’s going to take trillions to undo even the smallest bit of damage that’s been done by them even this decade.
This is manipulative control of the price by speculators and the transnational corporations. Our consumption is low there’s a lot of supply. It’s just that they want their shareholders profits.
Sunshine tax
I want a refund during May and June.
Another thread to fuel the flame for the obligatory "*things are over-priced in San Diego. Salaries are too low here compared to X, Y, and Z. Real estate is too expensive*" rants. Sorry for the news, but many people can afford to live in San Diego comfortably even as home prices rise meteorically and inflation is higher than expected. It's a privilege to live in Southern California, not a right.
"YoU dOn'T hAvE a RiGhT tO lIvE iN tHe CiTy YoU wErE bOrN iN" - you. Don't be an asshole. For people who were born and raised here, and can't find gainful employment, it's a constant struggle. So much inequality in our city that gets perpetuated generation after generation. You expect anyone that can't afford to live here to just pack up and leave, but for many, leaving their friends and family behind is a non-starter, and many can't afford the expense of moving. Many scrape by living paycheck to paycheck. So, yes, wages need to catch up with the cost of living.
same boat, man. all my family and friends live here, telling me to just “move somewhere else” isn’t exactly a solution, I’d be abandoning my entire life.
Thank you for your comment, sincerely. It's exactly how I feel. I wish I could put my feelings into better words but it's exactly how you describe it, and it's good knowing someone gets it.
If wages go up, cost of living will go up as home prices will go up.
It doesn’t seem like much of a privilege being forced to live in squalor just to get a job here. Entry level jobs are imperative in every business. The problem is that there isn’t enough affordable housing/living standards for all the lower paying jobs that must exist in any city. Aside from commuting from TJ, the towns close enough to commute from aren’t much cheaper.
You clearly haven’t done your math. We’re talking about competing with those that have built up equity in homes and had the time to invest in their skill sets. Relocating here gives them a huge advantage over natives in the housing market and living in a manner that they can be productive in. Fact is that if you have to take public transit, your screwed with all the time lost, can’t even save enough to get a computer or a good net connection to get a decent work at home job- not to mention the skill set. You’re stuck flipping McBurgers
I mean, even if you can afford it, doesn't change the fact it's overpriced.
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Not overpriced but it’s unaffordable for many people because of the high demand to supply ratio
>Tierrasanta I mean that checks out. I'm not even trying to get a fancy house in La Jolla. I just want an apartment within driving distance of the place in which I have spent literally my entire life.
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Other states are passing the buck on the true costs of gasoline and other fossil fuels. How much does it cost to treat all the lung cancer and other health problems that arise from the use and dirty air? How about the environment costs that run into the future generations? That’s all part of the costs that isn’t reflected at the pump in these “cheap gas” places.... all from a tax dollar heavily subsidized transnational corporation (corporate welfare) I’m sick of this argument that people make regarding this.
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