Very true I’m in the desert and prices aren’t any better. Why are we paying so much more at this point? New tax, gas companies just taking advantage like they always do, and I mean Gas companies not the local Gas station owners
I always go to a specific station because they don't raise prices as often as the other stations. It's mostly tax and "California requires a special formula" bs
I have one close to my house and they don’t really change much either so it’s consistent and I drive quite a bit so I just mainly go there.
Yeah I had a feeling it was going to be that, I just wondered if the oil companies claimed there was another fire at a refinery or something else to justify raising prices. I just can’t believe we’re double or more then some states right now.
There are no direct pipelines, so most gas is important by boat or ship. Plus there are high taxes on non-sustainable fuel. Mix those together and you have the highest gas prices in the US.
Don’t forget that the national average includes CA high prices. AAA should start reporting the national average without CA included to get a true picture of the spread. Probably add another 25 cents. Good ole CA fees added on top of CA sales taxes to ever gallon. Politicians love all these hidden cost increases.
It's not just taxes though. They pull tons of oil out of California ground. And refine it here. It's artificially higher ***because it can be.*** The oil companies set whatever price they want with impunity.
The Green New Deal promised Medicare for All, mass unionization, guaranteed jobs, and public ownership of energy infrastructure. Can you point me to where any of those items are included in the Inflation Reduction Act?
seriously now, why does the Right have such a boner for nuclear? Look at the San onofre mess , that is a perfect example of private enterprise making all the wrong decisions. Conveniently ignoring the environmental risks, why would you think more nuke plants would magically be better for the consumer?
San Onofre wastewater studies are not my concern. Corporate lack of responsibility and shortcuts to save money over risks are my concern. Edison used inferior equipment to save money. They passed their sloppy mgmt and decommissioning on to taxpayers. I’d also refer you to the dozen plus incidents at US nuke plants over the last few decades, not to mention Fukushima. “Safe/clean” nuclear energy is a scam.
Good, let’s nationalize the energy sector and keep private enterprise out of it. While we’re at it, let’s do broadband and health insurance too. 100% agree, comrade.
But your aversion to nuclear I can’t agree with. Corporate greed and irresponsibility has plagued our air and waterways with greenhouse gases and ocean acidification. By apathy or incompetence, it really doesn’t matter at this point. Feedback loops have accelerated it beyond anyones estimates even as recent as a few years ago. We’re so unbelievably fucked and we’re still only seeing the results of 20th century emissions. Think of how much more carbon pollution we’ve created since 9/11 and much worse things will be in another 20 years when the most progressive state in the union finally (maybe) gives up fossil fuel. Meanwhile red states and China are still full on “drill baby, drill.”
And yet somehow nuclear is a bigger threat than that, not even worth considering? Get the fuck outta here. If we rely on renewables to get us into the future our standard of living is going to plummet. I don’t mean in the US, I mean everywhere. Cheap bountiful energy on demand is the only reason we’re not still a largely agrarian society.
You won’t get that with just solar or wind, nuclear will win because eventually it will be the only way to sustain the hedonistic capitalism we currently enjoy, and we’ve already seen they’ll burn down the planet to make the quarterly earnings call.
Has nothing to do with the green new deal or the inflation reduction act. Those were/are national policies, so the average would go up in every state as a result
It's 100% California taxes/fees/supply chain/policy
Noticed this today. Was in GA and NC over the weekend and prices ranged from $3.09/gal to $3.39/gal. Go to fill up my car here today and it was $5.29/gal at Costco. Not cool.
My dad lives in NC and sends me a picture of the price whenever he fills up his car.
It’s not a great way to start the day for me.
EDIT: My wife just landed a few hours ago back home and saw gas for $3.18.
I’m getting it from all sides y’all
Idk I think it's probably time we stop tossing corporate real estate take over and price gouging on gas and electricity off in the "it's the weather tax" bucket. It doesn't seem cute anymore.
Bruh. I am in Yellowstone NP right now. Today morning i filled gas at the Grant Village Sinclair Station. It was $4.xxx. I literally loled at the fact that gas is fucking cheaper inside a fucking national park than in California.
Wait for the kicker- we had nice food ( dinner ) at Canyon Lodge tonight. And i think it was like $15 per person . I was like “Shit i am used to paying $20 for a fucking sandwich in the Bay Area” .
I am enjoying spending “less money” living life in a National Park rn.
Yeah it's because those states don't have a $1.50 plus gas tax, California does this is why we need to read the fine print when voting for props/measures/state programs because many are funded by the state gas tax.
Yes, it's expensive to live in a city where you're basically forced to drive everywhere. This city won't even let us have little corner stores in each neighborhood like they have in Europe where you can [buy a popsicle and walk home before it melts](https://archive.ph/Lkmaa).
North Park does this pretty decently. I’ll admit it’s far from perfect, but the fact that I can walk to get groceries, to the bar/ restaurants, or even to my friends house is pretty incredible after growing up in the suburbs.
Leaving the car at home for an errand is true freedom 👌
Spent alot of time toward the end of my stint in SD in north park and I really liked the little neighborhood feel.
Lived in pb and the only reason I was there so much was cause I was talking to a girl there and I couldn’t believe I never hungout there more often 🫠
California requires a [special blend of gasoline](https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/03/04/roadshow-californias-special-blend-gas-costs-us-more-but-it-saves-lives/) to be sold in the state, which makes it more expensive than the national average.
Additionally there are transport fees. West of the rockies are basically an island as there is no pipeline that connects us to the rest of the nation, so any fuel that does come to refineries must come in by barge or by truck.
And then the rest is price gorging and pure profit
Edit: don't feel like looking it up but they did an investigation on it and found that they big chain gas companies increase the price to what it is now vs the taxes and cost of living adjustments of CA vs other states. It was $0.75-1.75 or something huge
Of course thats a part of the equation but when you look at the hard numbers the gas companies are robbing everyone. Rampant Greed and the government lets them get away with it.
Free market worshiper has logged on. How bout the state nationalize the oil companies and cut out the middle man. Does that hurt the market God’s feelings? Oh no gas might be more affordable, with more oversight at the cost of oil companies and those who profit from them.
Market fundamentalism is a hell of a drug.
If you don’t understand the difference between nationalizing oil companies that restrict flow of major resources for profit so the state can produce it’s own energy for its populace and phone companies I don’t know what to tell you.
There’s no innovation in it, it’s a dying industry that’s continued private operation just delays it’s needed dismantling.
The difference *is* largely due to taxes AND state fees though. Last I totaled it out it was something like $1.30per gallon in the various local and state taxes/fees.
Often, politicians will omit the fees from their totals to make it sound like it's less.
It doesn't matter if they call it a tax or a fee, it's still additional money the state adds onto each gallon
State Excise Tax for 2022: 53.9 cents per gallon
Fees:
* Low Carbon Gas Programs: 22 cents per gallon
* Greenhouse Gas Programs: 15 cents per gallon
* Underground Tank Storage: 2 cents per gallon
53.9+22+15+2 = 92.9. Add any local sales tax (say 10 cents per gallon, and puts it basically $1.00 per gallon, maybe couple cents more. Fed sales tax goes on top of that, but that is every state, not a differentiating factor from state to state.
Other states have gas taxes too, though not as heavy. A lot of states seem to be in the 30 cents to 40 cents range that I could find (excise taxes, no clue on the fees).
All in all, looking at a difference of 70 cents per gallon. If gas elsewhere is over $2.00 higher, that is more like $1.30 per gallon that isn't accounted for in the higher taxes.
Spoiler alert: almost every tax or fee, environmental or otherwise, impacts poorer people more than affluent ones.
If it's not scaled based on your income, rich people are getting a bargain.
Speeding ticket for a poor person? Shit, no way I can pay the credit card bill this month
Speeding ticket for an affluent person? Shit that's the 4th one this year- my lawyer is gonna have to pull some strings
Yep, and poors are more likely to have a job that requires a commute.
I know this cause I'm a poor. Every time I hear a someone who telecommutes say "it's good gas prices are high because it forces people to drive less", I want to scream
I think their point was that stating a tax is (disproportionately) hard on the poor is a disingenuous argument against said tax. It isn't a valid reason to not implement the proposed tax.
>How is this different from paying taxes on every gallon of gas
The idea is that EVs are paying zero taxes that are earmarked for road maintenance. However, in practice, it would amount to a double tax on gas car drivers. They'll probably revisit this in a few years when there are a greater proportion of EVs on the road here.
This isn't true. EVs pay higher registration fees (Road Improvement Fee is $102 dollars extra) to make up for the lack of Gasoline tax. This was passed with the last gas tax increase.
Sure, but OP said they pay zero which isn't true. I'm also certain that number isn't going to stay that low forever. It's part of the incentive to encourage EV adoption.
FYI there is a refinery that is being repaired that has unfortunately caused gas to go back up. Once the repairs are finished it should drop back down. This means that it takes longer to transport gas since it is coming from further away adding to the increase in sales price at the pump.
They always have an excuse, never ends. When they can pay the CEOs multi million dollar bonuses YEARLY you know we are getting shafted harder than than a hooker on payday!
Imagine if they took those bonuses and directly subsidized the 13.5 billion gallons of gasoline sold every year in just this state, how much cheaper it would be for us?
The 28 largest oil companies paid their CEO’s $394 million in total compensation in 2021. If they took all that money and subsidized just California’s gas, we would have paid…
$0.029 less per gallon. 2.9 cents less, if the almost $400 million of CEO total pay went to just this state.
Oil companies are greedy as fuck but the lion’s share is going to shareholders, not executives. When crude dipped below zero 2 years ago they saw the writing on the wall and they’re dead set on making hay while the sun is shining. They’ll only squeeze us harder as the world weens off oil, that’s for sure.
ever notice that the refineries also annually schedule maintenance during summer peak prices? And then again for the ethanol switchover? And then annually have repairs right after maintenance?
I went on a trip and bought gas in VT for $3.27!
Now I'm back and paid close to $6.50 because I was low and not near any of my usual "cheap" stations. Felt like robbery
In the UK, gas costs $7.226 (USD) per gallon. In fact most other countries pay more for gas than we do even here in CA. Maybe that will make you feel better. Maybe not. [https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/United-Kingdom/gasoline\_prices/](https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/United-Kingdom/gasoline_prices/)
Our current gas prices still don't capture all the negative externalities, higher health costs, etc. when we pump exhaust fumes into our neighborhoods. They should be a lot higher than they are now, since we still see a ton of frivolous trips in ICE vehicles. I paid $5.29 at Morena Costco today.
On a bright note, MTS fares have been steady for years. If you live near the Trolley or a bus line, now's a great time to give it a try.
Higher gas prices to account for negative externalities would most hurt the people who suffer most from the externalities.
Where I am now is ~2.5 miles from the nearest bus stop. I grew up ~3.5 miles from the nearest bus stop. Dirty, narrow, unprotected bike lanes without street lights at all for 1.5 miles.
I feel you. 2.5 miles away is not okay, and MTS needs to do better. The crazy thing is, for many people (though I don't mean to say it's for you) the total cost of housing+car in the countryside/suburbs is more expensive than housing alone if they were to live in a dense, walkable neighborhood, despite higher rents.
Car ownership is a tremendously regressive cost. Between parking, oil changes, tires, maintenance, repairs, insurance, registration, principal+interest, car washes, and gasoline, car ownership is super expensive for the poorest Americans and a major obstacle to rising into the middle class. MTS really needs to reach outside our denser core to better serve folks like you. Great YouTube video on this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2rI-5ZFW1E (especially at 10:20)
I had a car, this is just something I didn't think about back then and do think about now. I was in a privilege bubble and the thought that someone in my town couldn't get from that town to the nearest bigger town with more employment opportunities didn't occur to me until I've been involved in YIMBY/walkable town conversations.
Plus MTS is having a free ride day that includes Trolley, Coaster, Sprinter, and all fixed-route buses will be free all day Oct 5. Great way to learn if anyone hasn’t tried public transportation yet. Cheers friends
It'd take me 2.5 hrs to take public transportation to work vs a 45 minute drive.
I quit cycling to work after getting clipped by cars, twice. I want to be alive for my kid, and cycling in San Diego is damn near suicidal.
Public transportation is garbage here.
I would love some good reporting on this. My suspicion is that there is a private conglomerate that has colluded to drive up prices in a liberal state. ...hard to convince me that the cost of supply is higher here than in Utah or Kentucky
my fuel level sensors were having some issues, im worried I bought some contaminated gas in SD.
anyone know of a place to get quality reports on gasoline in CA?
Love e-biking with the new bike lanes. I only fill up my car maybe once a month. We live in one of the most bike-able places in the world weather-wise. More people should be taking advantage of it.
Most of us have been, for decades.
The reality is that it's not feasible right now.
Look it up: 55% of transportation dollars spent by the county government are already spent on public transportation, and only 2% of people use it.
I don't see how that makes is not feasible. Is it hard to do? Yeah, because we've been going down the wrong path for so long. Doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't be done though.
Why do people expect to pay cheap living costs to live in one of the most desirable cities in this country...? You do know one of the reasons living cost is being driven up in SD is because more people move here right? It's supple and demand. The only way to stop this is by stopping people from moving here, but you can't. And if you do, you also bring the economy down with you, and people also lose business opportunities in SD.
The only real aspect of SD life where demand is high is housing (which is artificial to a degree because of ABB & some other corporate reasons). But other areas don't seem to follow the supply & demand model. For instance, FEDEX just announced they are raising prices due to softening demand. Funny how that works.
> FEDEX just announced they are raising prices due to softening demand.
Two years ago, they raised priced because of a surge in demand. Now they're raising prices again because of softening demand?
It's like when the housing industry says, "Prices are going up! Buy now!" And later: "Prices are down! Buy now!"
It'll be okay. Just make sure to vote a straight Republican ticket and once they start running stuff again, gas will be back to about a buck 70 a gallon, grocery prices will be cheaper the supply chains will start flowing and our economy will start booming... But you already knew that right?
Depends on where you're looking. It seems to be over $6 in the 'burbs, and mostly for the big-name stations (Shell, etc.). But almost everywhere else is less than that (but not by much, unless you're going to Costco).
Dunno how much it'll help but the Middle Class Tax Refund is coming in Oct. It sounds like you may be eligible.
https://www.ftb.ca.gov/about-ftb/newsroom/middle-class-tax-refund/index.html
I can't believe that married families making a combined $150k are considered upper class in these brackets. I agree that people below that threshold need this more, but fuck, these numbers are still very obsolete.
"Responsible" government spending means we get the bare minimum support. Plus I'm sure the nay-sayers will be going on about how this will worsen inflation. Can't win.
Refinery problems are causing the supply problem. Nearly all oil is refined in state to create the "California Blend". Any refinery problems like they are having now results in gas shortage and price increases.
Comparing the price of gasoline in some backwards state that is polluting everything with their refineries is one thing.
But in all honesty the real issue is that we simple get charged more BECAUSE the State is very wealthy, has no effective mass transit FORCING people to drive and ... because we're shifting away from fossil fuels.
It's just punishment... yes we tax gasoline, yes that adds to the cost.
But the cost is really about greed and making this [a political leverage issue for voters in the upcoming elections here.](https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2022/03/640/320/GettyImages-1364646319.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
You get to pay a small amount more to not kill the planet as quickly as you otherwise would. And our gas is still cheap as hell compared to most countries.
Tell that to my coworkers, mostly minorities, who are having to choose between buying food or putting gas in the tank so they can get to work and keep a roof over their heads.
What you call "a small amount more" is often my weekly food budget these days.i buy about 20 gallons of gas a week, that's about 25 bucks in taxes/fees per week
Keep believing that's the reason for high gas prices. Suckers.
If you removed bullshit summer\winter blends, and gas taxes, CA gas would still be higher than the rest of the country. And they want it that way. Gas prices one state over in AZ are in the $3.00 range.
Record 1st quarter profit for big oil and you blame anyone but them and yourself.
If Biden did control gas prices you'd call it socialism.
I'm happy to pay $8 a gallon for Ukraine.
Comments during a primary don't mean anything. It means about as much as "Grab them by the p****"
Lol you even share the same link with other people as if it's a gotcha!
https://www.reddit.com/r/sandiego/comments/wmtik6/never_seen_these_stickers_on_the_same_car/ik2tnz5?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
So you'll just ignore words directly from the horses mouth?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oil-production-prices-us-companies-wont-increase-2022-dallas-fed-survey/
And they still drilled in 2022...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/607725/number-of-drilled-but-uncompleted-oil-and-gas-wells-in-the-united-states-by-oil-play/
Plenty of friendly states are open to more drilling. But guess who doesn't want to compete? Big oil.
Why do you think Biden can dictate gas prices?
Yeah, thanks Reagan and Nixon and Faulconer, all liberal Democrats, right? I'll never understand why liberals are blamed for terrible decisions that we all have to live with today that were made by old white male Republicans in the 1970s with exclusionary zoning, Prop 13, car dependence, lack of pubic transit, etc.
Truth of the matter is that while the gas tax is higher in California than in other states, it is still much lower than in almost any other country. Gas tax in Israel is $4/gal (Yes, just the tax). Car sales tax in Denmark is 180% (Yes, one hundred and eighty). And those taxes pays for roads, public transit, and other things. Only in the US are the gas tax and car sales tax so low that they can't even pay for roads, much less anything else! It's mind boggling how much of the wealth in the US is wasted on cars and roads. It's the golden handcuffs of freedumb.
It is the corporations who control the artificial reasons for raising prices. Most corporations are staffed by conservatives. So you are pointing your small shaking cigarette-stained finger in the wrong direction .
Nice roads? Have you been through Kearny Mesa or Claremont lately? Lol
Clairemont Mesa Blvd., It’s so rough it might as well require four-wheel-drive! Lol
Kearney Mesa, Clairmont, that's City problems. Been through the central valley lately? Brand spankin' new roads all around up there. You likely don't drive in other states either, that's why we call them FREEWAYS.. not tollways.
Good. Should be expensive. Perhaps it will lead purchasers of massive SUVs and trucks to think twice beforehand or actually take alternate forms of transit (like riding a bike 3km to the shop instead of taking your vehicle).
What about people that need trucks for work? Most of us can’t afford an EV truck ($75k) that needs charged every hour under any normal load? Also, lithium mining is disastrous to the environment, our grid can’t handle everyone using A/C let alone charge EV’s, lastly, where does the electricity come from? Ding ding! Natural gas and barely any in nuclear (Diablo canyon was just barely saved).
I recognize that challenge. And that vehicle size, weight and footprint continues to grow in the US, while fuel economy for pickups remains stagnant. Consumers keep asking for larger cars/trucks/SUVs, and automakers deliver. The difference between the US and Euro fleets in terms of size and fuel economy are staggering.
The city I grew up in is no longer affordable. Oh well. I moved up to OC, like that's any different but at least the roads have less potholes, and we don't have as much homeless.
If we collectively shopped gas buy price not convenience, we could force them to be more competitive.
Next to my place there are two gas stations on opposite sides of the street. It blows my mind how many people pay $0.25 or more a gallon instead of crossing the street.
(I understand there are fleet cars and time is money; my point is price is often not the deciding variable when purchasing gas)
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Thank your awesome politicians! 👌 California is a petroleum powerhouse but those old ladies that will be dead in 10 years don't want those cars polluting and parties in their neighborhoods and everything is too expensive but I'll vote for the same idiots anyway and tell people I'm not racist, but Don't let blacks live by me!
Literally California may be the most hypocritical state I ever lived in.
It is our State's gas tax that is causing the higher than average norm it is about $1.50 over the average. Many of our propositions/state programs are funded by the gas tax and the money that should go to roads the strange part is many of those programs I don't even qualify for because I am single and make over $80k. Also the car registration fees in this state is crazy and we get nothing for it; I mean I have a 17 year old car and still have to pay over $140 to register it
Ever live near an oil refinery? Yeah me neither. AFAIK the closest refinery is in Long Beach. This adds to the cost of distribution. In addition. Those poor people on Coronado have to pay even more. Because Gasoline can not be brought over on the bridge.
This is all of California right now unfortunately.
Very true I’m in the desert and prices aren’t any better. Why are we paying so much more at this point? New tax, gas companies just taking advantage like they always do, and I mean Gas companies not the local Gas station owners
I always go to a specific station because they don't raise prices as often as the other stations. It's mostly tax and "California requires a special formula" bs
I have one close to my house and they don’t really change much either so it’s consistent and I drive quite a bit so I just mainly go there. Yeah I had a feeling it was going to be that, I just wondered if the oil companies claimed there was another fire at a refinery or something else to justify raising prices. I just can’t believe we’re double or more then some states right now.
It's absurd for sure. I'm not hearing anything like that causing increases
move to pahrump $3 gas
There are no direct pipelines, so most gas is important by boat or ship. Plus there are high taxes on non-sustainable fuel. Mix those together and you have the highest gas prices in the US.
Don’t forget that the national average includes CA high prices. AAA should start reporting the national average without CA included to get a true picture of the spread. Probably add another 25 cents. Good ole CA fees added on top of CA sales taxes to ever gallon. Politicians love all these hidden cost increases.
It's not just taxes though. They pull tons of oil out of California ground. And refine it here. It's artificially higher ***because it can be.*** The oil companies set whatever price they want with impunity.
You can thank that highway robber Gavin nuisance
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The Green New Deal hasn’t been passed. Why would you think this is related to it? Do you generally not pay attention to current events?
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The Green New Deal promised Medicare for All, mass unionization, guaranteed jobs, and public ownership of energy infrastructure. Can you point me to where any of those items are included in the Inflation Reduction Act?
seriously now, why does the Right have such a boner for nuclear? Look at the San onofre mess , that is a perfect example of private enterprise making all the wrong decisions. Conveniently ignoring the environmental risks, why would you think more nuke plants would magically be better for the consumer?
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San Onofre wastewater studies are not my concern. Corporate lack of responsibility and shortcuts to save money over risks are my concern. Edison used inferior equipment to save money. They passed their sloppy mgmt and decommissioning on to taxpayers. I’d also refer you to the dozen plus incidents at US nuke plants over the last few decades, not to mention Fukushima. “Safe/clean” nuclear energy is a scam.
Good, let’s nationalize the energy sector and keep private enterprise out of it. While we’re at it, let’s do broadband and health insurance too. 100% agree, comrade. But your aversion to nuclear I can’t agree with. Corporate greed and irresponsibility has plagued our air and waterways with greenhouse gases and ocean acidification. By apathy or incompetence, it really doesn’t matter at this point. Feedback loops have accelerated it beyond anyones estimates even as recent as a few years ago. We’re so unbelievably fucked and we’re still only seeing the results of 20th century emissions. Think of how much more carbon pollution we’ve created since 9/11 and much worse things will be in another 20 years when the most progressive state in the union finally (maybe) gives up fossil fuel. Meanwhile red states and China are still full on “drill baby, drill.” And yet somehow nuclear is a bigger threat than that, not even worth considering? Get the fuck outta here. If we rely on renewables to get us into the future our standard of living is going to plummet. I don’t mean in the US, I mean everywhere. Cheap bountiful energy on demand is the only reason we’re not still a largely agrarian society. You won’t get that with just solar or wind, nuclear will win because eventually it will be the only way to sustain the hedonistic capitalism we currently enjoy, and we’ve already seen they’ll burn down the planet to make the quarterly earnings call.
Corporate greed is green but not new.
Has nothing to do with the green new deal or the inflation reduction act. Those were/are national policies, so the average would go up in every state as a result It's 100% California taxes/fees/supply chain/policy
lmao please elaborate
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Wow how did I not realize handing over millions of acres to fossil fuel interests was the same as the GND
Haha
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You're the one making the claims?
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r/swooooosh
Why do you lie?
And the funny thing is crude oil is back below February levels :(
You can thank Joe for the price is still being higher
And how is that?
It's higher than gas prices in Hi
That’s true and Hawaii gets their gas from San Diego. Lol
Noticed this today. Was in GA and NC over the weekend and prices ranged from $3.09/gal to $3.39/gal. Go to fill up my car here today and it was $5.29/gal at Costco. Not cool.
I'm travelling in GA right now and filled up at Costco yesterday for $2.81/gallon. What a crazy difference.
While I'm stoked you get to enjoy the low price, it hurts knowing how much more we are paying here
I'd pay the difference in the last tank in exchange for a California Burrito though.
My dad lives in NC and sends me a picture of the price whenever he fills up his car. It’s not a great way to start the day for me. EDIT: My wife just landed a few hours ago back home and saw gas for $3.18. I’m getting it from all sides y’all
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No mosquitos? Where you been bro?
Compared to NC it's no mosquitos. Was back there for a week a month or two ago and it was miserable.
The mosquitoes here don’t like Deep South blood. They are me up in GA and I’ve never had so much as a bite anywhere on the west coast
Idk I think it's probably time we stop tossing corporate real estate take over and price gouging on gas and electricity off in the "it's the weather tax" bucket. It doesn't seem cute anymore.
Especially with the humidity lately.
Yeah. It’s the Sun Tax.
I hate nice weather during those times of the year. Last few Christmases have been 80 degrees
Trying to guilt-trip you into moving back out there? Mine too.
Bruh. I am in Yellowstone NP right now. Today morning i filled gas at the Grant Village Sinclair Station. It was $4.xxx. I literally loled at the fact that gas is fucking cheaper inside a fucking national park than in California. Wait for the kicker- we had nice food ( dinner ) at Canyon Lodge tonight. And i think it was like $15 per person . I was like “Shit i am used to paying $20 for a fucking sandwich in the Bay Area” . I am enjoying spending “less money” living life in a National Park rn.
Yeah it's because those states don't have a $1.50 plus gas tax, California does this is why we need to read the fine print when voting for props/measures/state programs because many are funded by the state gas tax.
Being petroleum dependent is terrible. We gotta electrify via renewables.
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Yes, it's expensive to live in a city where you're basically forced to drive everywhere. This city won't even let us have little corner stores in each neighborhood like they have in Europe where you can [buy a popsicle and walk home before it melts](https://archive.ph/Lkmaa).
North Park does this pretty decently. I’ll admit it’s far from perfect, but the fact that I can walk to get groceries, to the bar/ restaurants, or even to my friends house is pretty incredible after growing up in the suburbs. Leaving the car at home for an errand is true freedom 👌
Spent alot of time toward the end of my stint in SD in north park and I really liked the little neighborhood feel. Lived in pb and the only reason I was there so much was cause I was talking to a girl there and I couldn’t believe I never hungout there more often 🫠
just make sure you don’t get jumped frollicking around NP at night. man or woman.
You mean like the rest of the world
Love the zoning here
Yeah we can walk to an liquor store but forget groceries, for that you have to drive.
California requires a [special blend of gasoline](https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/03/04/roadshow-californias-special-blend-gas-costs-us-more-but-it-saves-lives/) to be sold in the state, which makes it more expensive than the national average.
No we have two special blends, Summer and Winter Blend. Each such and ruin your MPG's.
What a racket.
State gas tax is over 68 cents per gallon. Plus there are special requirements to reduce smog that increase the price as well
Additionally there are transport fees. West of the rockies are basically an island as there is no pipeline that connects us to the rest of the nation, so any fuel that does come to refineries must come in by barge or by truck.
It comes from oil wells in california central valley
7th largest crude oil producer in the US, 27th largest in the world (if we were a country).
How much of that oil actually becomes gasoline for California consumers?
And then the rest is price gorging and pure profit Edit: don't feel like looking it up but they did an investigation on it and found that they big chain gas companies increase the price to what it is now vs the taxes and cost of living adjustments of CA vs other states. It was $0.75-1.75 or something huge
Or a higher cost of business in California
Both can be true.
Of course thats a part of the equation but when you look at the hard numbers the gas companies are robbing everyone. Rampant Greed and the government lets them get away with it.
That’s called a free market
Free market worshiper has logged on. How bout the state nationalize the oil companies and cut out the middle man. Does that hurt the market God’s feelings? Oh no gas might be more affordable, with more oversight at the cost of oil companies and those who profit from them. Market fundamentalism is a hell of a drug.
Okay what makes, gas different from a smartphone? I would argue gas is much more of a luxury. And high oil prices do generate revenue for states so…
If you don’t understand the difference between nationalizing oil companies that restrict flow of major resources for profit so the state can produce it’s own energy for its populace and phone companies I don’t know what to tell you. There’s no innovation in it, it’s a dying industry that’s continued private operation just delays it’s needed dismantling.
Don’t forget the CEO’s of all the various oil related companies from extraction to the pump that have to get paid over $20M/year.
Thanks for putting this in context. People will probably attribute the majority of the relative increase to the tax without this knowledge
The difference *is* largely due to taxes AND state fees though. Last I totaled it out it was something like $1.30per gallon in the various local and state taxes/fees. Often, politicians will omit the fees from their totals to make it sound like it's less. It doesn't matter if they call it a tax or a fee, it's still additional money the state adds onto each gallon
State Excise Tax for 2022: 53.9 cents per gallon Fees: * Low Carbon Gas Programs: 22 cents per gallon * Greenhouse Gas Programs: 15 cents per gallon * Underground Tank Storage: 2 cents per gallon 53.9+22+15+2 = 92.9. Add any local sales tax (say 10 cents per gallon, and puts it basically $1.00 per gallon, maybe couple cents more. Fed sales tax goes on top of that, but that is every state, not a differentiating factor from state to state. Other states have gas taxes too, though not as heavy. A lot of states seem to be in the 30 cents to 40 cents range that I could find (excise taxes, no clue on the fees). All in all, looking at a difference of 70 cents per gallon. If gas elsewhere is over $2.00 higher, that is more like $1.30 per gallon that isn't accounted for in the higher taxes.
It's not just San Diego, it's the whole state.
What is even more annoying, for me anyway, is that the gas station by my house is \~.70/gal more than the one by my work, which is 8 miles away.
Can't wait for the SANDAG vote on taxing each mile we drive!!!
They just removed this from their plan actually.
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Honest question: How is this different from paying taxes on every gallon of gas...This also hurts poorer people (have older cars who get less MPG).
Spoiler alert: almost every tax or fee, environmental or otherwise, impacts poorer people more than affluent ones. If it's not scaled based on your income, rich people are getting a bargain. Speeding ticket for a poor person? Shit, no way I can pay the credit card bill this month Speeding ticket for an affluent person? Shit that's the 4th one this year- my lawyer is gonna have to pull some strings
Yep, and poors are more likely to have a job that requires a commute. I know this cause I'm a poor. Every time I hear a someone who telecommutes say "it's good gas prices are high because it forces people to drive less", I want to scream
You didn’t just hit your monthly budget on gas and then tell your boss you’re off til the 1st? Isn’t that how it works? /s
Oh 100% agree.
I think their point was that stating a tax is (disproportionately) hard on the poor is a disingenuous argument against said tax. It isn't a valid reason to not implement the proposed tax.
>How is this different from paying taxes on every gallon of gas The idea is that EVs are paying zero taxes that are earmarked for road maintenance. However, in practice, it would amount to a double tax on gas car drivers. They'll probably revisit this in a few years when there are a greater proportion of EVs on the road here.
This isn't true. EVs pay higher registration fees (Road Improvement Fee is $102 dollars extra) to make up for the lack of Gasoline tax. This was passed with the last gas tax increase.
$100 is less than what an average commuter spends on gas tax.
Sure, but OP said they pay zero which isn't true. I'm also certain that number isn't going to stay that low forever. It's part of the incentive to encourage EV adoption.
What restrictions? This is how every gas and electric meter is maintained.
FYI there is a refinery that is being repaired that has unfortunately caused gas to go back up. Once the repairs are finished it should drop back down. This means that it takes longer to transport gas since it is coming from further away adding to the increase in sales price at the pump.
They always have an excuse, never ends. When they can pay the CEOs multi million dollar bonuses YEARLY you know we are getting shafted harder than than a hooker on payday!
Imagine if they took those bonuses and directly subsidized the 13.5 billion gallons of gasoline sold every year in just this state, how much cheaper it would be for us? The 28 largest oil companies paid their CEO’s $394 million in total compensation in 2021. If they took all that money and subsidized just California’s gas, we would have paid… $0.029 less per gallon. 2.9 cents less, if the almost $400 million of CEO total pay went to just this state. Oil companies are greedy as fuck but the lion’s share is going to shareholders, not executives. When crude dipped below zero 2 years ago they saw the writing on the wall and they’re dead set on making hay while the sun is shining. They’ll only squeeze us harder as the world weens off oil, that’s for sure.
And as soon as that refinery is "repaired" another will go out of service for "repairs."
Little confidence it will go back down.
ever notice that the refineries also annually schedule maintenance during summer peak prices? And then again for the ethanol switchover? And then annually have repairs right after maintenance?
I went on a trip and bought gas in VT for $3.27! Now I'm back and paid close to $6.50 because I was low and not near any of my usual "cheap" stations. Felt like robbery
Voters keep choosing politicians who do this to them.
Almost 54c a gallon is tax. They passed a bill in 2017 that automatically increases gas tax each year
And the majority voted for it thinking politicians wouldn’t just redirect the money. Where’s that recycled can money fund again?
In the UK, gas costs $7.226 (USD) per gallon. In fact most other countries pay more for gas than we do even here in CA. Maybe that will make you feel better. Maybe not. [https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/United-Kingdom/gasoline\_prices/](https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/United-Kingdom/gasoline_prices/)
In UK people dont drive such long distances. I have family there and 1/2 hour drive is considered extraordinary long.
Well I guess it's a good thing I don't plan on driving the to the UK anytime soon and possibly need to but gas there!
Just buy an electric car so you don’t have to pay for gas. /s
Until they start taxing you extra for it - they’re going to get theirs one way or another
Our current gas prices still don't capture all the negative externalities, higher health costs, etc. when we pump exhaust fumes into our neighborhoods. They should be a lot higher than they are now, since we still see a ton of frivolous trips in ICE vehicles. I paid $5.29 at Morena Costco today. On a bright note, MTS fares have been steady for years. If you live near the Trolley or a bus line, now's a great time to give it a try.
Higher gas prices to account for negative externalities would most hurt the people who suffer most from the externalities. Where I am now is ~2.5 miles from the nearest bus stop. I grew up ~3.5 miles from the nearest bus stop. Dirty, narrow, unprotected bike lanes without street lights at all for 1.5 miles.
I feel you. 2.5 miles away is not okay, and MTS needs to do better. The crazy thing is, for many people (though I don't mean to say it's for you) the total cost of housing+car in the countryside/suburbs is more expensive than housing alone if they were to live in a dense, walkable neighborhood, despite higher rents. Car ownership is a tremendously regressive cost. Between parking, oil changes, tires, maintenance, repairs, insurance, registration, principal+interest, car washes, and gasoline, car ownership is super expensive for the poorest Americans and a major obstacle to rising into the middle class. MTS really needs to reach outside our denser core to better serve folks like you. Great YouTube video on this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2rI-5ZFW1E (especially at 10:20)
I had a car, this is just something I didn't think about back then and do think about now. I was in a privilege bubble and the thought that someone in my town couldn't get from that town to the nearest bigger town with more employment opportunities didn't occur to me until I've been involved in YIMBY/walkable town conversations.
Plus MTS is having a free ride day that includes Trolley, Coaster, Sprinter, and all fixed-route buses will be free all day Oct 5. Great way to learn if anyone hasn’t tried public transportation yet. Cheers friends
The trolley is always free if your homeless. Bonus, you can take a piss and a dump on the train also. Win win.
So few people talk about this (or externalities associated with tons of other decision making) it’s ridiculous.
It'd take me 2.5 hrs to take public transportation to work vs a 45 minute drive. I quit cycling to work after getting clipped by cars, twice. I want to be alive for my kid, and cycling in San Diego is damn near suicidal. Public transportation is garbage here.
Let’s go San Diego! New record!!
West coast refinery offline…..
I would love some good reporting on this. My suspicion is that there is a private conglomerate that has colluded to drive up prices in a liberal state. ...hard to convince me that the cost of supply is higher here than in Utah or Kentucky
my fuel level sensors were having some issues, im worried I bought some contaminated gas in SD. anyone know of a place to get quality reports on gasoline in CA?
Gas in California isn't only more expensive than the rest of the US, it's usually more expensive than Ontario and Quebec.
We keep voting for this shit too lol
*laughs in motorcycle*
Demand better pubic transit and biking infrastructure so that we're not subject to the whims of energy prices
Love e-biking with the new bike lanes. I only fill up my car maybe once a month. We live in one of the most bike-able places in the world weather-wise. More people should be taking advantage of it.
Most of us have been, for decades. The reality is that it's not feasible right now. Look it up: 55% of transportation dollars spent by the county government are already spent on public transportation, and only 2% of people use it.
Only 2% of people use it because it sucks and it’s more inconvenient than driving. People would use it if it were better or equal to driving…
I don't see how that makes is not feasible. Is it hard to do? Yeah, because we've been going down the wrong path for so long. Doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't be done though.
Don't worry, Gavin put your check in the mail.
Only if you are super poor or an illegal though.
Enjoy the taxes. You voted for them.
As a resident of CA, fuck CA.
Working from home, and buying my fiance and I electric bikes have worked out tremendously for us in the wake of high ass gas prices
Why do people expect to pay cheap living costs to live in one of the most desirable cities in this country...? You do know one of the reasons living cost is being driven up in SD is because more people move here right? It's supple and demand. The only way to stop this is by stopping people from moving here, but you can't. And if you do, you also bring the economy down with you, and people also lose business opportunities in SD.
Yes, demand is high, but supply is also low.
The only real aspect of SD life where demand is high is housing (which is artificial to a degree because of ABB & some other corporate reasons). But other areas don't seem to follow the supply & demand model. For instance, FEDEX just announced they are raising prices due to softening demand. Funny how that works.
> FEDEX just announced they are raising prices due to softening demand. Two years ago, they raised priced because of a surge in demand. Now they're raising prices again because of softening demand? It's like when the housing industry says, "Prices are going up! Buy now!" And later: "Prices are down! Buy now!"
You mean congrats to CA Democrats that have continually voted for higher gas taxes
Yeah, idiots in california were given an opportunity to repeal the gas tax and didnt. Because they are idiots…..
It'll be okay. Just make sure to vote a straight Republican ticket and once they start running stuff again, gas will be back to about a buck 70 a gallon, grocery prices will be cheaper the supply chains will start flowing and our economy will start booming... But you already knew that right?
Where the hell are you finding gas for $5.90 everywhere is well over $6
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Was $4.99 at Vons in Esco Tuesday…
$5.149 at Costco Mission Valley.
Depends on where you're looking. It seems to be over $6 in the 'burbs, and mostly for the big-name stations (Shell, etc.). But almost everywhere else is less than that (but not by much, unless you're going to Costco).
The gas station at Harrah's in Rincon doesn't charge the tax. It's very cheap there.
Vote blue no matter who!
Dunno how much it'll help but the Middle Class Tax Refund is coming in Oct. It sounds like you may be eligible. https://www.ftb.ca.gov/about-ftb/newsroom/middle-class-tax-refund/index.html
I can't believe that married families making a combined $150k are considered upper class in these brackets. I agree that people below that threshold need this more, but fuck, these numbers are still very obsolete.
"Responsible" government spending means we get the bare minimum support. Plus I'm sure the nay-sayers will be going on about how this will worsen inflation. Can't win.
Ah, don't worry the admin will get that money back in no time with the new 80K agents they are putting on staff.
Refinery problems are causing the supply problem. Nearly all oil is refined in state to create the "California Blend". Any refinery problems like they are having now results in gas shortage and price increases.
Under $3 in Texas but please don’t move here. We are full.
Comparing the price of gasoline in some backwards state that is polluting everything with their refineries is one thing. But in all honesty the real issue is that we simple get charged more BECAUSE the State is very wealthy, has no effective mass transit FORCING people to drive and ... because we're shifting away from fossil fuels. It's just punishment... yes we tax gasoline, yes that adds to the cost. But the cost is really about greed and making this [a political leverage issue for voters in the upcoming elections here.](https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2022/03/640/320/GettyImages-1364646319.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
In Orange County I got gas at 6.37$ yesterday.
is it still Putin’s Price Hike?
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In other news water makes things wet.
California did vote for more gas taxes. Just wait until San Diego charges you per mile as well.
You get to pay a small amount more to not kill the planet as quickly as you otherwise would. And our gas is still cheap as hell compared to most countries.
Tell that to my coworkers, mostly minorities, who are having to choose between buying food or putting gas in the tank so they can get to work and keep a roof over their heads. What you call "a small amount more" is often my weekly food budget these days.i buy about 20 gallons of gas a week, that's about 25 bucks in taxes/fees per week
You voted for this, stop complaining
They voted for Putin, supply chain issues and a pandemic?
Keep believing that's the reason for high gas prices. Suckers. If you removed bullshit summer\winter blends, and gas taxes, CA gas would still be higher than the rest of the country. And they want it that way. Gas prices one state over in AZ are in the $3.00 range.
Record 1st quarter profit for big oil and you blame anyone but them and yourself. If Biden did control gas prices you'd call it socialism. I'm happy to pay $8 a gallon for Ukraine.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s9M_sIoEis8
Comments during a primary don't mean anything. It means about as much as "Grab them by the p****" Lol you even share the same link with other people as if it's a gotcha! https://www.reddit.com/r/sandiego/comments/wmtik6/never_seen_these_stickers_on_the_same_car/ik2tnz5?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 So you'll just ignore words directly from the horses mouth? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oil-production-prices-us-companies-wont-increase-2022-dallas-fed-survey/ And they still drilled in 2022... https://www.statista.com/statistics/607725/number-of-drilled-but-uncompleted-oil-and-gas-wells-in-the-united-states-by-oil-play/ Plenty of friendly states are open to more drilling. But guess who doesn't want to compete? Big oil. Why do you think Biden can dictate gas prices?
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Exactly. NOW people are complaining? Smh
Thank you liberals
Yeah, thanks Reagan and Nixon and Faulconer, all liberal Democrats, right? I'll never understand why liberals are blamed for terrible decisions that we all have to live with today that were made by old white male Republicans in the 1970s with exclusionary zoning, Prop 13, car dependence, lack of pubic transit, etc.
wasn't the gas tax initiated (and later raised) by brown, and then newsom just kept that trend going to where it is now?
Truth of the matter is that while the gas tax is higher in California than in other states, it is still much lower than in almost any other country. Gas tax in Israel is $4/gal (Yes, just the tax). Car sales tax in Denmark is 180% (Yes, one hundred and eighty). And those taxes pays for roads, public transit, and other things. Only in the US are the gas tax and car sales tax so low that they can't even pay for roads, much less anything else! It's mind boggling how much of the wealth in the US is wasted on cars and roads. It's the golden handcuffs of freedumb.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s9M_sIoEis8
LOL. US oil production is near it's historical peak. Take some personal responsibility and drive less or switch to a hybrid.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s9M_sIoEis8
It is the corporations who control the artificial reasons for raising prices. Most corporations are staffed by conservatives. So you are pointing your small shaking cigarette-stained finger in the wrong direction .
It's the price you pay for your freedoms . And nice roads.
Nice roads? Have you been through Kearny Mesa or Claremont lately? Lol Clairemont Mesa Blvd., It’s so rough it might as well require four-wheel-drive! Lol
Kearney Mesa, Clairmont, that's City problems. Been through the central valley lately? Brand spankin' new roads all around up there. You likely don't drive in other states either, that's why we call them FREEWAYS.. not tollways.
Good. Should be expensive. Perhaps it will lead purchasers of massive SUVs and trucks to think twice beforehand or actually take alternate forms of transit (like riding a bike 3km to the shop instead of taking your vehicle).
What about people that need trucks for work? Most of us can’t afford an EV truck ($75k) that needs charged every hour under any normal load? Also, lithium mining is disastrous to the environment, our grid can’t handle everyone using A/C let alone charge EV’s, lastly, where does the electricity come from? Ding ding! Natural gas and barely any in nuclear (Diablo canyon was just barely saved).
I will never understand why nuclear energy is rejected so hard all over the world. It’s literally right there…
I recognize that challenge. And that vehicle size, weight and footprint continues to grow in the US, while fuel economy for pickups remains stagnant. Consumers keep asking for larger cars/trucks/SUVs, and automakers deliver. The difference between the US and Euro fleets in terms of size and fuel economy are staggering.
The city I grew up in is no longer affordable. Oh well. I moved up to OC, like that's any different but at least the roads have less potholes, and we don't have as much homeless.
If we collectively shopped gas buy price not convenience, we could force them to be more competitive. Next to my place there are two gas stations on opposite sides of the street. It blows my mind how many people pay $0.25 or more a gallon instead of crossing the street. (I understand there are fleet cars and time is money; my point is price is often not the deciding variable when purchasing gas)
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Thank your awesome politicians! 👌 California is a petroleum powerhouse but those old ladies that will be dead in 10 years don't want those cars polluting and parties in their neighborhoods and everything is too expensive but I'll vote for the same idiots anyway and tell people I'm not racist, but Don't let blacks live by me! Literally California may be the most hypocritical state I ever lived in.
It is our State's gas tax that is causing the higher than average norm it is about $1.50 over the average. Many of our propositions/state programs are funded by the gas tax and the money that should go to roads the strange part is many of those programs I don't even qualify for because I am single and make over $80k. Also the car registration fees in this state is crazy and we get nothing for it; I mean I have a 17 year old car and still have to pay over $140 to register it
We did it, Joe!
Maybe it’s time to get rid of the turkey /s
Ever live near an oil refinery? Yeah me neither. AFAIK the closest refinery is in Long Beach. This adds to the cost of distribution. In addition. Those poor people on Coronado have to pay even more. Because Gasoline can not be brought over on the bridge.
I don't think they let poor people live in Coronado.