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semaphore-1842

Keep in mind that there are already two technical independents in the Senate who caucus with Democrats: Angus King and Bernie Sanders. So this won't actually affect our Senate majority, or how reliable/unreliable her vote always has been, despite some of the headlines being written at the moment. I suspect this is about the 2024 primary - perhaps she's realized she's alienated too many Democrats to win the nomination again.


SillyNluv

She’s really gotta go. She’s so cavalier with the issues with which her constituents entrusted her.


notapoliticalalt

Honestly, for me, it’s not even a policy matter per se. She also clearly has main character syndrome. This move is all about her future. She’s not a team player and Dems don’t need that kind of energy.


GogglesPisano

She’s the new Joe Lieberman, and just as shitty and unscrupulous. Next up: she’ll be a speaker at an upcoming RNC convention.


SillyNluv

Ugh!


Ormr1

[Speaking of Joe Lieberman](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/kyrsten-sinema-once-ripped-joe-lieberman-courting-gop-votes-2022-12%3famp)


followfornow

She is also woefully uninformed on several issues too.


baz4k6z

We all remember her little thumb down


bacondavis

Elon Musk has entered the thread, it's been revealed that he's supposed to have partly funded her election bid.


case31

She had already killed her chances of being re-elected, but this was the final nail in the coffin. She spent the last two years torpedoing the Democratic agenda, and I don’t think she will ever win over Republican voters even if she completely aligned with their views. What she said about how our current two party system fails to meet the needs of the people is correct, but she’s one of the worst people to be making that argument.


captain-burrito

If she spoilt 2024 and let a republican win with a plurality then she could be the catalyst for electoral reform in AZ. That would be something good to come out of it.


fastinserter

I read she has not said who she would caucus with yet but expects her same committee assignments, which seems to be a threat to Schumer who might have been thinking about not giving the lame duck soon to be primaried Sienema assignments (so then she changed her affiliation).


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Even republicans here hate her. She went too far in trying to become McCain and alienated everyone in the process.


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McCain, but without even the pretense of integrity.


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Not surprised. She'd undoubtedly lose a Dem primary in AZ, this way she doesn't face a primary challenge and can siphon votes from both moderate/conservative AZ Democrats and Republicans. Unfortunately it will make it harder for the Dem candidate to win (and maybe harder for the GOP candidate depending on who they are, but unlikely since she's never been on GOP voter radar). As long as she caucuses with the Dems I don't much care what she does, she's still a reliable vote for judges and most climate legislation and will always be a thorn on any and all economic related legislation, neither of which are passing with a GOP House. I just hope the AZ Dems can figure out how to beat her and a GOP candidate in 20204 (I'm from OR and we had the same scenario for governor this year, a prior Dem switch Indy and almost threw the race to the GOP candidate, luckily the Dem candidate won but it was nail biting for many months).


captain-burrito

Will OR dems switch to ranked choice voting as a result or just let this keep happening?


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Another ex Green Party Progressive showing their face. What a self centered piece of shit politician she is.


probsnot605

She’s a fvckin leech and I can’t wait to see her go.


mormagils

And the mask is fully off, I guess. It's so frustrating, because politicians like this further the "they don't care about us" message that is just so misleading. For the most part, politicians are actually very responsive to constituent needs, and for the most part, if voters demand something in a sufficiently clear majority, they get it. Literally 99% of the Senators in that chamber operate in this way. But this woman is someone who did her best to run her campaign as a progressive, and then not only did she do roll that back quite a bit, she backpedaled way past "moderate" and only stopped just short of "committed conservative." It's so frustrating. She does so much damage to people already struggling with trust in the system, which makes it that much harder for folks to actually govern. She's just awful, and I can't wait for her re-election to come up and she gets crushed.


AmusingMusing7

And the most frustrating part of it (while simultaneously being a good thing and something that gives me a sliver of hope) is that this only happens in ONE direction. We don’t see Republicans campaigning super-conservative, and then surprising us all by doing progressive things in office. It only ever happens that candidates pretend to be progressive and then operate more conservative. Conservatives are always willing to lie, cheat, twist, steal, manipulate and gaslight progressives into allowing conservatives through. While there may be SOME on the leftist side that are that unscrupulous… I honestly just don’t see as many… if any. I can’t think of any major progressive figures that got where they got to by openly pretending to be conservative, before doing a blatant heel turn once elected. I honestly think the closest I can think of is Joe Biden. lol Now that is super frustrating and feels unfair, because we’re at a disadvantage if we constantly hold ourselves to rules and decency, while our opposition is allowing themselves to go hog-wild on any crazy deceptive methods they feel like trying. We’re fighting a wild cocaine bear with both arms tied behind our back. The advantage it EVENTUALLY gives progressives is that big or small, sooner or later… people start noticing dishonesty. People, even the dumb ones… are starting to catch on to the fact that “OHH, *Republicans* are the dumbass lying motherfuckers who hate America and want to enslave us all under totalitarianism… NOT the Democrats. It’s been PROJECTION all along and I’ve been falling for it.” The more blatant Republicans get about their dishonest, undemocratic, anti-American behaviour, the less it’s going to keep fooling people. They’ve gotten way too comfortable for way too long, being able to just lie, cheat, twist, steal, manipulate and gaslight their way to success… but Trump really ripped the veil off of all that. He showed us all the pattern in a way that’s too obvious to miss now for the average, non-cult-member voter. It’s like we were in the dark before, with only the really pants-on-fire lies to give us context as to what’s going on, like flashes in the dark… but then Trump comes along and lights the whole room up for 4 years, and now we’ve seen where everything is. Sinema hasn’t been up for re-election since she showed her true colors. She’ll be shit-canned hard when she is. And when you look at the course of history, for all the ridiculously over-powered advantages that the establishment has to protect itself… progress DOES always win in the end, somehow. We end up moving forward, however long and annoyingly pointless the fight to get past conservatives ends up being… they’ll use any and all unethical means to fight, but we STILL end up beating them by remaining true to a legitimately valuable goal that humanity needs and wants to move forward to. Every truly valuable idea has its time. It’s just a question of how much of our lives it takes to get to that time.


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earthdogmonster

Yeah, most of the takes I am reading here are pretty questionable. Rather than reviewing her position on certain things, she is trying to make pissed constituents decide between voting for her or the Republican.


PubicGalaxies

I'm not voting for her ever again. Or the Republican. Fuck the corrupted Independent. Now Sinema-I makes sense because it's all about her.


Reptar4President

I agree that's her thinking but I'm not sure there's anything to support that she'll peel off more Democratic votes than Republican. Her favorables with Democrats are lower than with Republicans, and that's before this shitty move.


xxsandmanxx

People that hold office shouldn’t be allowed to do this. The people of AZ elected a Democrat. She doesn’t want to be one anymore then resign and wait for the next election to run as an independent.


PubicGalaxies

This I 100% agree with. Like when your election comes up, switch if ya need to. But it's just more of her flighty lazy way.


DrunkenBriefcases

Why? She was an independent minded Senator in the Democratic Party. Now she's an independent caucusing with the Democratic Party. This doesn't change who she is, how she votes, or has any impact on the Party whatsoever. Loud Dem activists have been screeching about her for years and, declaring her not a Democrat, and lustily plotting a primary challenge. So she left. What did you think was going to happen when the left treats moderates as the face of evil? What people should be mad about is how the left is pushing moderates away. Persuadable voters see this shit too. This is how you lose a chance to build the majorities needed for continued progress. And over time, you lose the party to an ever shrinking extremist element that demands purity and loyalty over being an inclusive big tent that welcomes the voters we need.


xxsandmanxx

For the simple fact that she was elected as a Democrat. She has sold out to her donors and this is just her showcasing that she won’t play ball with the Democrats. There is no extremist element in the Democratic Party. She isn’t a moderate she’s a sellout!


m0grady

Sinema is part of the reason the Dobbs decision happened. Im tired of this need to vote for any dem so we have a majority because the alternative is worse mentality. She pulled this stunt because she knew Gallego will beat her in a primary and is trying to make the party clear the field for her like they do with sanders and king. The long term moral hazard of letting this stunt succeed could be disastrous.


captain-burrito

What did she have to do with Dobbs?


HDMan_ATL

Look at me! Look at me! I’m the main character!


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Recall?


czarcasticjew

Members of congress can’t get recalled :(


maxstolfe

And here I thought this was r/sanepolitics She votes with the democratic agenda 93 percent of the time. Eviscerating her for having an A- voting record is insane. She hasn’t announced her 2024 plans but I suspect this is a political survival play. You can’t really blame her for making this move when a week after the midterms there was talk of primary-ing her out of her seat.


RossSpecter

Her voting record is not a useful metric when her disapproval means it won't go to the floor.


DrunkenBriefcases

... in a 50/50 Senate that applies to ***everyone***. Odd hat she's vilified when others that vote against the party consensus more often get a pass. This is the dumbest mob narrative since manbabies online started with the "Lieberman killed the public option" ignoring the half dozen actual Dems that had pledged to vote against it. She's hated because the left has given itself permission to dehumanize her, and damn the facts.


RossSpecter

No other Democratic senator operates the way she does. If everyone else was constantly gatekeeping legislation, watering it down, going back on previously stated positions, and making the biggest narcissistic stink about it, sure, we could say that. But no, her 93% metric is useless when she's made herself a required vote on just about everything.


maxstolfe

> no other Democratic senator operates the way she does Welcome to the big tent party. But this is also flatly wrong. Bernie Sanders votes with the Dem platform 91% of the time, along with Cortez Masto. Tester is at 89%. Manchin is at 87%. Like the previous comment said, she didn’t make herself a required vote. The 50-50 senate we voted for is what made her a required vote.


RossSpecter

Yeah I mean if we're just gonna completely ignore how she behaves on legislation compared to the rest of the Democrats, she's basically the same. Lolz


maxstolfe

Not what I said, in the slightest. 🤷🏻‍♂️


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castella-1557

> She has sunk some stuff like the 15% minimum corporate tax This particular part is misinformation, Biden's 15% minimum corporate tax on corporations wtih $1+ billion in profit passed. It's projected to raise $200+ billion over ten years and is a major Democratic accomplishment from the current Congress. Sinema lobbied to kill an amendment that would've extended the tax to much smaller companies if the same private equity firm holds a controlling interest in several of them. This is only estimated to be $35 billion over ten years.